Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, currently embroiled in legal challenges over her write-in candidacy, took a shot at former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s intelligence Monday night. “I just do not think that she has those leadership qualities, that intellectual curiosity that allows for building good and great policies,” Murkowski told CBS anchor Katie Couric. “You know, she was my governor for two years, and I don’t think that she enjoyed governing.”
Murkowski and Palin’s feud has a longstanding history. In 2002, Murkowski’s father, Frank, chose his daughter, Lisa over Palin – then the mayor of Wasilla – to fill the Senate seat he vacated to become governor. In 2006, Palin backed Lisa Murkowsi’s primary challenger, though he lost. When Palin resigned as governor in 2009, Murkowski was one of her most vocal critics, accusing her of abandoning the state and her constituents. Finally, in the 2010 Republican primary, Palin backed tea party candidate Joe Miller in the primary. Miller beat Murkowski, but the latter mounted a vigorous write-in campaign and appears poised to win the race.
Though Murkowski is doubtful of Palin’s intellect, and has said she couldn’t back her as the GOP candidate for president in 2012, others view Palin as an innovator. What she lacks in intellectual curiosity she makes up for in entrepreneurial spirit.
Well. It seems to me that the National Journal rather begs the question there at the end — personally, having heard Palin speak extemporaneously many times now, I don’t find her at all lacking in intellectual curiosity, and she only seems to suffer such a charge because of the folksy manner of her delivery.
Too, I’m not sure that building your entire life and career on the favors of your father shows the kind of drive, determination, life experience, work ethic, and adventurousness that many of us believe is what, in the US at least, is supposed to matter more than nobility of birth, or the kind of intellectual snobbery that sets academics like Obama up as “brilliant” not by dint of any demonstrable brilliance, but rather by appeal to his institutional pedigree.
Murkowski’s self-satisfied elitism is shared by far too many in both the Democrat and Republican party establishments — which is why neither party, for all their claims to the title, has of late been the party of the “little guy.” In fact, we are witnessing within the GOP itself a battle to reaffirm that there is in this country no permanent de facto ruling class — that the governed, and not some self-styled cabal of king makers, will select who represents us and why.
Some who would prefer to keep the rabble away have tried to diminish the growing grass-roots movement of a politically re-engaged citizenry as crass “populism” — the clear implication, left understated, being that the peasants are revolting (and so are revolting) — but what this self-styled insider class is really doing is fighting to maintain its seats as princes heading up of the table; by their own wonkish lights, it should be they who the heavy strategic and policy lifting, while the rest of the country continues to concern itself with “Dancing with the Stars” and meatloaf recipes.
To me, that seems like a kind of call for “purity.”
But then, I’m demonstrably crazy — so you have the permission of your betters to ignore me entirely. For your own good.
Trust them.
oh yeah well who has a hit reality tv show what’s even more bigger than the Kardashian one stupid Lisa?
If Lisa wanted to be seen as standing on her own two hooves, she should have told Frank, “No thanks, Dad. Even I know how that’s going to look, and I’m an idiot from a long line of idiots.”
I personally think it is near criminal for Frank Murkowski to have appointed princess Lisa to his Senate seat; it smacks of aristocracy.
And anyone in Alaska who thinks Murcokeski will be a dependable conservative vot eis fooling themselves too.
You know who else was on the teevee? That Fred Thompson guy.
And that Reagan dunce.
One shows one’s intelligence by cloistering himself in with a bunch of nerds the entirety of his life, you see. It’s dignified.
This thread is like a dream for you happyfeet,
You can have a grand mal Palin-hating episode and it won’t be off topic.
You do realize though that by joining in the Palin hate you’ll be effectively endorsing Princess Lisa.
That Reagan guy and Fred Thompson were on the tv plus also they served out their whole elected terms.
You know what that is?
That’s character.
The old “lack of intellectual curiosity” canard. That’s the one they trot out when they don’t respect you enough to bang you with “epistemic closure.”
I dunno, Jeff. Maybe if you made some death threats, Murkowski would throw her skirt over her head and concede the election.
Jeff’s thermonuclear death threats are Just That Powerful.
“Don’t retreat. Just reload” True on so many levels.
Now that I got logged in, I must work on finding the most offensive avatar possible.
hf, financially ruining oneself by fighting frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit while staying in office isn’t “character”, it’s stupidity. Not that common sense means anything in your world.
I’ve always wondered whether people like Murkowski were always assholes or became assholes after they got a taste of that sweet, sweet authority.
Put another way that doesn’t involve me using the word “assholes”: is it more so that power corrupts or that the corrupt are drawn to power?
See also: chicken and egg, order of
YEA! JD’s here. I was worried about you.
that’s not true Mr. LaRoche Sarah happily fought the lawsuits for many many moons and it was only when she got offered better opportunities that she bailed
That’s how she rolls.
OT: Has anyone else been having on again/off again issues with bringing up this site lately? It seems it’s been happening since the new commenting system was put in place. I sometimes get the “page not loading fast enough” screen or a message which says: “Error connecting to database”
Of course, I’m writing this from Afghanistan so it’s entirely possible that the goat who powers their internet either died and/or was raped.
She handed over the reins to a successor who carried on her policies and enjoyed great respect and approval from the electorate. It’s not as though she handed over the State to those who persecuted her.
That somebody can look at a campaign of frivolous lawsuits waged not for justice, but rather in the name of political lawfare, and see the target of the campaign as being the wrongdoer, says quite a lot about the quality of the mind making such observations.
How much more of our good will will you piss away today, you monstrous little vermin?
I think you’ll find, if you look closely, that she bailed when the whole raising money for a legal defense fund to fight politically motivated frivolous lawsuits became the subject of just such a suit, and that the offers only came in after she bailed. Which is a shame. Because that
sweet sweetfilthy Fox money would have come in handy.Ah fuck. Who am I kidding? All you care about is teh narra tive.
With all due respect, I think you need to check the timeline happyfeet. As the frivolous ethics lawsuits stacked up, and more money was coming out of her pocket as well as time spent away from governance, she decided to resign.
I think you’re making it out to be more arbitrary and capricious than it actually was.
It’s easy to say you would have toughed it out, without being in that situation. Had she not resigned, her foes would have kept on trumping up charges just to ruin her personally. Charges that she was cleared of, every one, by the way.
I won’t be as nice as Bob. I will instead say, “Fuck you for a damn liar, Happyfeet.”
Because hoochies don’t require consideration.
Nor “Christers.”
If you happen to be both? Kill yourself.
even if she was right and virtuous to let herself be hounded out of office it still disqualifies her for the presidency – the American people need to know their leaders such as they are won’t bail on them for fame and money when it starts getting tough
sorry charlie
You’re refusal to sell yourself out ‘feets would be that much more impressive if, you know, someone was actually interested in buying.
The President can’t be personally ruined by being subject to frivolous lawsuits like she was.
Qualified. She’s over 35 and born in the USA. I’d say that according to the Constitution she’s qualified.
Man, nobody really knows if she’s running in 2012, so lets just wait and see; we all have our opinions on who would be “qualified” for the Presidency, but it’s up to the voters to decide.
After the revolution, anyone who has ever described someone as lacking “intellectual curiosity” will have their head shaves and their left ear cut off. I’m intellectually curious if they will figure out why.
A couple of us just went through this for you. She only took the Fox gig after she had resigned, not prior, so characterizing her resignation as an arbitrary and capricious decision to chase fame and big paychecks is just plain incorrect.
Translation of #22: “I decide what’s right, facts be damned.” Christer, thy name is happyfeet.
even if she was right and virtuous to let herself be hounded out of office it still disqualifies her for the presidency – the American people need to know their leaders such as they are won’t bail on them for fame and money when it starts getting tough
What the difference between that and someone who – a few years into their term – basically abandons said post to … say … run for President?
Politicians do this ALL THE TIME, except w/o the honesty of giving up their government job.
Shit, obama wrote a book while being Senator. And running for President.
But Palin’s a hoochie for actually giving up a job that she thought she couldn’t fill while having other distractions.
This is, at best, intellectually dishonest.
Harlem Rep. Charlie Rangel convicted of ethics violations in House trial
That settles it then. What with the Democrats in this much of a hurry to get his wrist slapped before the Republicans have a chance to boot his ass to the curb, the evidence must be overwhelming.
Right. She’s to blame here, not the people going after her.
Much like I’m to blame with respect to Frisch, or Limbaugh is to blame with respect to correctly pegging Obama, or O’Donnell is to blame with respect to Mike Castle’s refusal to back his own party.
Tell me, do you get erect when you flash your self-righteousness?
Not everyone is either joyously free from the encumberances of having to worry about bankrupting their family, or has state law enforcement powers vested in them — and so can get the law to pay attention when their family is under siege.
Which I guess is why not everyone acts like they own the moral high ground all the fucking time.
I don’t see why Team R should lower their nominating standards to Barack Obama levels of opportunism … she would easily be the least experienced and qualified R nominee in our lifetimes
Unfortunately, Trollhammer doesn’t show up as reliably as it used to, so I can’t send Pikachu back to the breeding vat.
Shit, obama wrote a book while being Senator. And running for President.
No he didn’t.
But I’ll grant you he probably sat down with someone and worked up a rough outline. He may have even taken the time to read the galleys.
I don’t see why Team R should lower their nominating standards to Barack Obama levels of opportunism … she would easily be the least experienced and qualified R nominee in our lifetimes
And I don’t see why when Barack does it, no one notices, and when Palin does it she’s a hoochie of epic proportions.
Politicians do this ALL THE TIME. She was honest with her constituents. She didn’t continue to take their money and the perks when she wasn’t really able to do her job. EVERY OTHER FUCKING POLITICIAN has done this. It is apparently their God-given right to run for a bigger, fancier job 24/7 for how many months, all the while taking the money, etc, for a job they are minimally performing.
OH, and except that isn’t what Palin did. She quit her job. Obama ran for office while taking that paycheck and THEN abandoned his job.
Which is worse.
Ha ha ha … you got me on that one Ernst.
‘feets can’t tell the difference between character and stupidity. Just look at the way he acts.
Why am I not surprised to find the PalinGriefer has the first comment on this post?
Despite the clear points made in # 17, #18 and #19, the response is this:
the American people need to know their leaders such as they are won’t bail on them for fame and money when it starts getting tough
Clearly, the PalinGriefer has made up its mind and nothing so trivial as facts or logical thinking will sway it.
Happy, I’m sad to inform you that at this point your credibility as a staunch conservative is DEAD DEAD DEAD, and frankly all you’re doing now is dry humping the corpse.
I don’t see why Team R should lower their nominating standards to Barack Obama levels of opportunism … she would easily be the least experienced and qualified R nominee in our lifetimes
That really for the membership to decide now, isn’t it?
What’s your real name? Where do you live? Where do you work?
I’m going to hound you out of your job, ruin your life, make the headline-skimming people of the world think you’re a crook and a bigger moron than your own words imply.
And, by your own standards, it will be your fault.
(Of course, you’re too much of a coward. You hide behind the title of a kids movie and the demeanor of a retarded kindergartner because you haven’t the balls to stand behind what you say. Yet you feel you have the standing to condemn someone who has put their life on the line.
You aren’t worth the dog shit Palin scrapes off her shoes.)
No one has lowered anything; no one has declared they’re running yet!
Is there a Pikachu’s Pontifications blog out there? It would be really nice if I could just avoid that, instead of being forced to skim past all the hamster crap that gets dropped around here.
1/2 the caffeine next time there Rob.
That argument was made quite a bit about O’Donnell, Miller, and Angle, by people you criticized for doing so.
NOBODY HAS DECLARED THEIR CANDIDACY YET! So take some deep breaths.
I’m sorry to interject but I find this double spacing deal somewhat disconcerting from an aesthetic point of view.
As to the question of intelligence, Miss Lisa’s assertion that she favors Barack Obama succeeding as a proxy for the country itself succeeding seems to me to doom her to the precincts of the rocks-dumb.
Double spacing between lines sdferr?
Yes, that Bob. me no likey.
Others complained that the comments were getting cut off by the avatars.
I can’t please everyone. But I’m trying. Should be a bit better now.
You know what I find disconcerting? That some slackers haven’t yet picked an avatard.
ah, I hadn’t any idea ’bout the avatar complaints. No biggie, I’ll adjust over time. It’s the stodgy fogey in me, I think, but I don’t know how to make him go away at a finger snap (depending instead on his faltering memory banks to take care of the future comforts).
I may have to investigate the trollhammer script to see what needs fixing. Then again, there’s only one commenter I want to eliminate from view.
As to the question of intelligence, Miss Lisa’s assertion that she favors Barack Obama succeeding as a proxy for the country itself succeeding seems to me to doom her to the precincts of the rocks-dumb.
That’s just your epistemic closure showing, sdferr. A desire to see Socialism succeed for the first time ever(!) shows a lively intellectual curiosity.
Will there be a daily virtual monkey trap thread?
“A desire to see Socialism succeed for the first time ever(!) shows a lively intellectual curiosity.”
Would then that Miss Lisa and Barry should apply their experimentations to a far smaller population of test subjects — like say, their own families — until they’ve achieved verifiable results before risking a population of some 330,000,000 other individuals.
I’m behind on my caffeine for the day. I’m ahead on my bullshit quota, though.
Ernst. If you could get to another machine where you could access your email and put a copy of your chosen avatar as an attachment or on a thumb drive all you have to do is sign up to gravatar from that machine and upload the avatar. Once setup you don’t have to log in to gravatar again, just PW.
i like the live message thing over there —–> and down
Would then that Miss Lisa and Barry should apply their experimentations to a far smaller population of test subjects — like say, their own families — until they’ve achieved verifiable results before risking a population of some 330,000,000 other individuals.
Only an experiment on a grand scale is sufficient for the appetite of the grandiose, the grandiloquent, and the gauche.
The eschaton WILL be Immanetized!
Carin, what “live message” are you pointing at?
I’m ahead on my bullshit quota, though.
Well, don’t overachieve too much. There’s a lot of the year left.
Toying with the idea geoffb. Ima try to get some time on the comp-yuter at the publik lye-brary and upload an image from teh innernet. But it’s not going to happen for a day or three or four.
Bottom right on the tool bar, sdferr. Icon is the man emitting sound vibrations.
Ah, thanks bh. I didn’t have a tool bar. Seems I had to make an adjustment to the NoScript dealy to get one, and now that I have done, I think I’ll go back to doing without (seems like the load is slower and herky-jerky is why, not the stodgy fogey effects noted above in this case).
Ernst, the other thing you can do is find something that’s already on the Internet and use it. There can be permissions issues, but there are places where that isn’t a problem — Stoaty Weasel’s permissions policy is “Steal My Art, I’ll Make More”, for instance. My own gravatar is a picture I uploaded long ago to PhotoBucket, which I just picked and cropped.
If you can’t find something you like, perhaps I or another poster might upload something. What’s your fancy? Kittehs? Cartoons? Geometric figures? Genitals? Much is possible.
Regards,
Ric
That’s some kind of JPMorgan security thing that’s screwing up the load times, not the new tool bar. Pixy is looking into how to correct the problem.
The new tool bar is actually quite nice and cool. I recommend it. Not only can I give you all live updates, but there are other great functions, as well.
Ric, if you still have my email from the coment I left on your blog, fire me a note and I’ll send you the pic I have in mind.
vielen dank mein Herr
this part of the story is confuzzling
Personally I think Sarah should have run for senate herself. But I don’t get why she donated to Lisa Murkowski.
That’s on par with endorsing Meghan’s daddy I think.
Ernst, I don’t find your comment, either on WordPress or the emailed copies.
ricATriclockeDOTcom gets hardly any traffic and will do fine. If it attracts spam afterward, so be it.
Regards,
Ric
Charlie Rangel convicted of ethics violations in House trial — will no longer be eligible for executive polish privileges at the Capitol shoeshine stand.
this part of the story is confuzzling
Obviously the dumb hoochie thought she was donating to the “Make Sarah a Rich Celebrity Whore” campaign.
Personally I think Sarah should have run for senate herself.
And if she had you would have been bitching that she quit the governership just so she could follow Obama’s footsteps and become a Senator and thereby start positioning herself for a presidential run in 2012 and OMG!! THE HOOCHIE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT OF OUR LITTLE FAILSHIT COUNTRY!!!!!
See #38. DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.
mail heading your way Ric
Don’t hold back Dave. It’s good to get rid of the bad blood.
Ernst, there used to be insightful comments in his posts… now everything inevitably gravitates back to “Palin’s a Whore”.
It’s like we’re playing ‘Sex Degrees of Sarah Palin’ 24/7.
Don’t I know it Dave. That was a bit of levity on my part.
Yep, I caught the levity, but felt I needed to make the point anyways. I’m thick-headed that way. Just ask my wife.
Mr. Schreiber, if you haven’t yet selected an avatar, may I suggest considering another notable “Ernst”?
My preference was always for the top left one.
Sorry, that should be “Palin’s a Dumb Whore”.
Yes, she tried to mend fences with the McCoys, nee the Murkowskis, alogn with supporting Bachman and
Blackburn, but Lisa wouldn’t take the hint as Supreme RINO that she is, even back in the spring, she was willing to let bygones be bygones, initially, her better half who would ‘knock the pikachu,
into next thursday,’ if he knew the disrespectful slur being hurled at his wife, was the one who supported Miller
Deliberately clever, or accidentally hilarious?
In other news, ‘feets is clearly sharing some illusions with Patterico that his opinions, sloppily constructed from near weapons-grade horseshit as they are, are intrinsically interesting and should be listened to and agreed to.
Because they’re right, damnit. Just listen to him; he’ll tell you.
Back atcha, Ernst. Let me know.
Regards,
Ric
and now Cornyn is rewarded with another term at the NRSC?
these people are hopless
also hopeless
hopeless hopeless hopeless
We should help them out in their hopelessness, I think, removing them from office at every opportunity so’s they can go on to something they’re actually good at doing, thus creating a situation in which they can begin to feel the personal rewards of success.
Just so you know, feet’s shtick, with a Louisiana twang, is what you get from that fellow Fagan, who was in the news, not so long ago. Yes keeping Cornyn is like promoting Ragland after Balaclava
or Hamilton after Gallipoli
My preference was always for the top left one.
Best make-up to be sure Dave, but I was always fond of Telly’s portrayal.
[channeling McClellan] What’s wrong with Ragland? I was a foreign attache you know, and I can assure you that he’s a Good Man.
I also raise an eyebrow at the Cornyn reelection. However, even conservative rising star Marco Rubio endorsed Cornyn for the NRSC position. Does this mean we should just write off Mr. Rubio as just another feckless Team R Boehner-fag wanna-be loser what should be mocked?
maybe
Well there was no one else who stepped up, what can I say, ‘cupcake anyone’
John Cornyn blows.
o hai there is staunch like me over here and there is fags and hoochies and christers over there
and in the space between here and there, there is nothing, is what
enjoi your hoochiness!
Oh, primarying Cornyn right out of office is at the top of a lot of people’s to-do list here in TX.
I too am dismayed at Cornyn’s reappointment, and would suggest direct donations to candidates instead of NRSC for others who do.
That said, Rubio’s endorsement goes a long way with me, even though I think it may be a case of letting bygones, be bygones; like the Pope and Mehmet Ali Agca. But I wouldn’t write him off because of it, just like I don’t Christie vis-a-vis Castle nor Daniels vis-a-vis McCain, and would suggest some latitude on the opart of others too.
that’s not til 2014 which is many many moons away
Obamacare will be in full swing by then
o rly?
well unless these same wanker Team Rs what just got all Hamlet about earmarks decide to repeal it
Irony is Murkowski turning her nose at Palin’s intellect while there’s a full blown idiot in the White House.
Murk’s gonna be very cooperative. I smell catfight between her and Olympia. Meeee Ow!
Sensible words. Unless they’re spoken by a dumb celebrity-seeking hoochie, of course, in which case they can be safely mocked.
oh wow I’d never thought of it that way before…. I think she’s right… the media definitely should have more better scrutinized bumblefuck.
That is a penetrating insight.
That’s why they put the Journolist in place, to block any due scrutiny of the Light bringer, and conversely to spread raw innuendo against any one fool hardy enough to challenge him, and if you think it ended with the election, you’re fooling yourself
Ernst has an avatar!
I played with the colors a little; it’s not so dark and moody as the original. What do y’all think?
Regards,
Ric
He’s much younger than I imagined, Ric.
#100. It took all of 120 seconds to make my point.
A little artistic license should be assumed, Silver Whistle.
I’m not nearly as pretty as my avatar, either.
Regards,
Ric
– Ric – Was that pic of Ernst taken before or after the Jack the ripper investigations?
The picture was sent to me without any provenance, BBH. All the data in the header and watermark is set to zeroes. This is a good policy to have when you are worried about evidentiary matters.
Silver Whistle, what tartan is that, lurking within the near-black square?
Regards,
Ric
Isn’t that Black Watch tartan? Racist…
And if so, wouldn’t it qualify as violent too, since it is widely associated with a military regiment?
I’m shocked, SHOCKED!, that our host would countenance such a display.
That is MacNicol hunting, Ric. sdferr thought it was a napkin. My clan has worn it for one and a third millennia, often in pursuit of elusive cheese boards. Is it too dark?
For shame, Bob – this is Black Watch tartan.
“This is a joyous occasion for me.”
That’s how Obama talks when he’s handing out a Congressional Medal of Honor. There is not an ounce of class in that buffoon.
“Oh sure, young soldiers died in the event that led to this awarding, which I enjoy so much. Actually, handing out one of these medals is good for my image too. But before we begin, let me give a shout out to all my homeys in Indonesia. I’ll be back soon.”
If I were to use my clan’s tartan as an avatar, it would evoke the song attributed to the members of said clan by Sir Walter Scott:
Heh.
SW, on my screen it’s almost solid black. I had to load it into the GIMP and play with transfer curves to get anything at all out of it.
I found two sites with lists of tartans; one has no “MacNicol” at all, the other shows a “MacNichol” and “MacNicol”, both with red and black colors rather than the red, black, blue, and green that came out when I played with the image.
Regards,
Ric
Hey! Who’s that good lookin fella with his back turned on the world? All I can say is
I am in the pipe, five by five!
Many thanks to Ric for his able assistance. Some day, (and that day may not come) I will owe him some small service. Hopefully it’s more along the lines of picking up the bar tab than dismembering and disposing of an inconvenient neighbor.
Apologies SW, I too couldn’t make out the pattern well, and am admittedly sorely lacking in my familiarity of clan Tartans.
You wear it well though!
Have a look here Ric – you will see we have a number of snappy ones to choose from. My kilt is in hunting, but I have a tie in the red one at the top. Sometimes a tartan will be available in dress, hunting and weathered.
Ernst,
You left off a tRigGEr AlErT!11!1! before your clearly violent closing flourish.
I just switched my gravatar for this e-mail address, and it hasn’t shown up here yet. Or maybe it has. I’ll have to click “Submit Comment” to find out.
Still no. Maybe later.
Get the fuck out! He said that?! I think the teleprompter just threw him under the bus.
The first line is a quote. The rest could be some alppucinization. Not sure.
McGehee, are you a relative of Rob Roy MacGregor?
Ah. I knew better than to publicize my version — it came out entirely too bright and cheery, and the reduction to 48×48 pixels entirely wiped out the gold and silver crossing threads. Even then, my monitor is fairly dark; I had to punch it up a bit to see what the colors were.
The original looks like a good camouflage pattern. What exactly did you say you were hunting, there?
Regards,
Ric
[who is, as I understand the term, Sassenach — Warwickshire, to be exact. No Scots in the plots that I know of]
Hopefully it’s more along the lines of picking up the bar tab than dismembering and disposing of an inconvenient neighbor.
Just for the record, I live absolutely nowhere near Mr. Locke and in no way can be construed or considered a neighbor of his.
Inconvenient, yes. Neighbor, no.
Trigger alert! Not for Bob to read.
You know what I love about this site? I mean besides the fucking pagan idolatry.
The ultra-violence.
What exactly did you say you were hunting, there?
Luckily for McGehee, not MacGregors if he strolls about the moor dressed like that. I find grouse shooting on the heather not too bad in the kilt, but rough shooting among briars and gorse a wee bit too stimulating. Then the garments of disgrace are much more appropriate.
Kilt is the preferred garment of TSA “inspectors”.
alp (if I may be so informal),
Is that the word “hope” coming out of that green man’s ass?
According to that old commie Hobsbawm, the tartan is an English invention to keep you Scot secure in your oppression.
Or English cloth mills running. I forget which.
I swear I put an s on the end of Scots.
Is that the word “hope” coming out of that green man’s ass?
If by green, you mean half white, half arab, and half Keynesian, then yes! Yes it is a hope-poop.
I was going to say they were the original gang colors but then realized I’d probably be off by a few millennia.
As I told him some time ago via email, I discovered a nest (or perhaps it’s a den) of McGehees down the road a ways. If those are the ones, hunting could have its hazards… can you weave a tartan out of ballistic polyamide?
Regards,
Ric
it is a hope-poop
Lemme guess, you’re avatar pisses change?
Hobsbawm obviously had a poor opinion of the Scots if he thought them incapable of dying wool and weaving a plaid until the English arrived. But then, there were many things Hobsbawm was mistaken about. See Oliver Kamm, Norm Geras &tc.
Lemme guess, you’re avatar pisses change?
It only keeps $50 on hand.
can you weave a tartan out of ballistic polyamide?
Can you get a sheep to grow it?
can you weave a tartan out of ballistic polyamide?
Perhaps we’ll leave the MacGregor hunting to the Duke of Argyll. The kilt was worn in battle at Dunkirk, but I don’t think the Army has worn it since in the field. My youngest has joined the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders as a cadet, so perhaps in a few years he’ll be sporting the regimental tartan.
I misremembered. The essay was by Hugh-Trevor Roper, the volume was edited by Hobsbawm.
short summary here.
The invented myth is nothing of the sort – the kilt is documented as being worn by Picts in Roman times. Plaids were ubiquitous. As for family tartans, who knows?
According to McGehee family lore we are, to the extent that Rob Roy was related to the same branch of MacGregors from which we allegedly sprang.
But RR was born a good 20-30 years after my ancestral McGehee was deported to Virginia for supporting King Charles II against Cromwell.
If there’s a woman, definitely a nest. See also: vipers, nest of.
He took to outsourcing that job. In 1603 he sicced the Colquhouns on us at Glenfruin.
The invented myth is nothing of the sort – the kilt is documented as being worn by Picts in Roman times. Plaids were ubiquitous. As for family tartans, who knows?
You’re in a better position to know than I. The essay (if not the author) is one of those things that have stuck with more over the years -one of the first “analytical” essays I had to read in a historiography/methods course in my undergrad career.
I think what Trevor-Roper was driving at was a “more Scottish than the Scots” attitude among the anglicized “lowlanders” and the imported English aristocracy. Kind of like New Englanders moving to Texas because of the oil bidness and embracing 10 gallon hats, oversized belt buckles ostrich-skin boots and western cut suits.
But now I’m so far outside of my baliwick, that I think I’d better shut up.
McGeehee, Silver Whistle, which one of you is the Kurgan after?
McGehee, here is the ancient burial ground of your clan on the isle od Inchcailloch in Loch Lomond.
Ernst, tartan/plaid/kilts are well documented through history. Trevor-Roper should know better. See here for example. Recognisable family tartans certainly predate the 1747 rising, but by how long is anyone’s guess. And “Nuns….they have no sense of humour”.
Did I write ’47 rising? What a numpty. Put me in the old folks home.
MacGregors were all over the place, actually. Something about, “We’re here so it’s ours, an’ we dinna recognize any king’s richt to gie or deny charter tae it!”
Which didn’t work out so well when the Campbells — a medieval Scottish version of Microsoft — went and got title to a lot of the land the MacGregors held. Neighboring clans might not be able to dislodge the MacGregors by themselves, but send a few of the king’s troops along and things didn’t go so well for the Children of the Mist.
Oh, and now that most of you have had a look at the tartan, I’ll revert the gravatar. Those who still want to see it can go here.
OT: Further achievement in French athletics (via scubafreak at Stoaty Weasel’s)
Regards,
Ric
Heh.
Anybody listen to the whole of Murkowski’s interview with Couric? Princess Lisa notes that she doesn’t pass the Tea Party “purity test” (and is proud of it!); she notes that she doesn’t want Obama to fail; she explains that she wants “compromise” — and is suddenly a star of the leftwing media thanks to her being so very “moderate,” with “moderation” meaning striking deals with socialists in power.
Who does this sound like to you?
I ask, only because I think those who follow conservative talk should have the same kind of clarity that the electorate should when Democrats are tasked with running against actual conservatives / classical liberals.
You may now resume ignoring my arguments, on account of my being AMAZINGLY UNSTABLE AND VERY VERY VERY VERY VIOLENT!
Princess Lisa sounds like Specter/McCain/Castle/generic RINO. But I’m sure she’s a good woman.
Sounds like a bunch of people, but I’m reminded of the Bug in Men in Black wearing an Edgar suit. Charlie Crist, so recently deceased as a credible politician, is the suit Lisa has donned.
She also claimed most people in Alaska don’t pass the purity test either, then made a slimy comparison to those “anti-government” type exceptions.
Those wanting a return to constitutional governance are OUTLAW! Own it people.
Hello all. Apparently the nic Big D is taken in WP so I’m back to Duke. As a reminder,however, it has nothing to do with a certain school in NC.
Just another establishment Republican basking in the warm glow of respectability. Nothing to see here. Move along.
No seriously, move along. What? You think this is a bad thing? How are we going to win the media over if they don’t respect us? I mean, we have to make the moderates like us don’t we? How are we going to win if the mushy middle doesn’t like us? We need to be more like them.
Hey! Stop crowding me like that, will you? What’s your problem man? I will have you know that I am a very important person! A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON!!
HELP!! HELP!!
CALL OUT THE GUARD!!!
RIOT POLICE!!!
She also claimed most people in Alaska don’t pass the purity test either
a plurality fail pretty dramatically
Sarah Palin should try to win Steele’s seat. Wouldn’t that be a blow to the stalwart old school tea sippers in Team R!
lisa the cow is in dc
milking you and me
Hi, Duke!
Duke (Big D),
I had a similar problem, for whatever reason. In addition to your log-in name there is a “nickname” line where you can enter the name you want to appear. I’m sure you could put Big D there, no matter who else is using it; that’s the line we determined could be used for sockpuppetry.
I registered as Bob Reed, but was never sent an email confirmation. When I tried to use the same name, but a different emailaddy, it forbid me indicating that the name was in use already. I had to register using the callsign bestowed on me at the FRS and change my nickname to Bob Reed; assbackward but it worked.
Nice to see you around.
You know what I love about this site? I mean besides the fucking pagan idolatry.
The ultra-violence
Ah! Me droog!
I did watch Sarah’s Alaska on Sunday. Well done. But it again pointed out why The Ruling Class (and its wannbes like grieferass) can’t stand her.
She is unapologetically middle-class. She doesn’t visit “the wilds” like a Royal on safari, she lives there and loves it.
I hope she doesn’t wear Eddie Bauer stuff. Because that would be a bridge too far.
But middle class? Maybe by temperament. But if you’re getting over a million an episode, you quickly climb out of the middle class in terms of wages earned. She’s nouveau riche. Which is even worse.
Indeed. Palin’s very existence proves that the left-elite establishment and its hangers-on exist not upon a foundation of merit, but upon a house of cards.
Eddie Bauer is freaking expensive I been in one at the mall one time and I saw a sweater guess how much?
One hundred dollars they wanted. For reals! I was like you gotta be kidding me that’s ridiculous and I never been back.
A PARVENU! WHO BAILED ON HER RESPONSIBILITIES FOR FAME, FOX, AND FORTUNE!11!1!
Cabela’s > Eddie Bauer
I enjoyed her show a lot. But two years later I’m still not seeing what others claim that they do. She has charisma, but it has to translate to people who aren’t part of a built-in conservative audience. I have no idea why anyone thinks she inspires confidence in that regard. That doesn’t necessarily mean appealing to DC insiders or the “Stuff White People Like” community, but it does – in the very least – mean people who are prone to swallow the mass media caricature which she enables.
JeffG
sdferr pointed me to this which gives voice to something I noticed long ago — money and/or prestiguous position doesn’t make one part of The Ruling Class
Regardless of Palin’s wealth, she is solidly middle-class [Country class] in attitude and principles.
My parents’ best friends of more than 40 years were very very wealthy. But you wouldn’t know it either by the home or cars or their hard-work ethic, no free lunch.
On the other hand, you have certain University Professors, not very wealthy, but are not only members of the Ruling Class but are cited again and again as Fonts of All Wisdom Bow Down to Their Superior Intellect, peasant!
This is hilarious, best movie line ever.
And then there’s Willie the racist hilljack skinflute player, who can’t progress beyond the status of internet troll.
That is awesome, Lee. Thanks.
a krugman
Darleen —
I differentiate b/w the ruling class and the wealthy. But not being part of the ruling class doesn’t make one part of the middle class.
I guess I read too many novels about the rise of the newly rich in the US, and the social stratification that arose as a result of the wealthy self-selecting based on “breeding.” The ruling class consisted of the well-bred wealthy.
“Cabela’s > Eddie Bauer”
Damn right.
(I’m still learning how to type on an iPod.)
Probably. One of the problems there is that novelists are themselves self-selecting. They are also prone to static analysis — having observed some phenomenon, assuming that it will continue — and they lead readers to make the same assumption.
“Breeding”. What that really means is that the self-defined class starts restricting itself to a smaller and smaller gene pool, and it eventually starts biting them in the butt. The founder of any uppercrust family was always an able pirate of some kind — but by the second generation after the founder the family has reverted to the mean, and after that inbreeding sends them downhill. Look at Charles von Saxeburg-Gotha, e.g. The effect is somewhat masked by the superior education rich people can give their children. Not even that could save the grandsons of Joseph Kennedy.
The very sneer “Nouveau-riche” is a symptom. Nobody gets rich without displaying superior ability, even if it’s only being a better thug. Fleering putdowns just emphasize that the people issuing them weren’t and aren’t capable of doing it on their own.
Regards,
Ric
The Palins are not middle class, as I define it . The furthest I would go is maybe they have working class sensibilities.
This talk of class frightens and confuses me though…
ax sam walton: they create wealth
I made sort of a wiseass prediction a while back.
I was thisclose.
OK, it wasn’t really a prediction, it was just wiseass. But still…
speaking of “classes” in this country should be ridiculed
@182
ya volt
also ya vega for 1970
How did Sir Thomas More put it in A Man for All Seasons? “They’ll look back on you, milord, and conclude a bitch got over the wall!”
happyfeet, here’s a little advice for you. Just stay with the “christer hoochie” descriptor as that is the honest one as it pertains to you in regards to Palin. Trying to come up with other bullshit to call Palin out on is pathetic. She was financially bludgeoned as governor. The left’s (and unfortunately right’s) tactic worked. The fact that she parlayed her charisma (charm?) into what she has is a credit to her, not a knock.
Sounds quite like the Colin Powell excerpts of his Larry King interview that Rush played today. For one instance.
she’s not really a christer though – she’s just a lot inclined to pander in that way…
She’s a quitter though for sure jeez the record is the record.
@182
I see that “Nishi Starcaller” showed up in that thread. Still drinking away her sorrows, no doubt.
Repeating the falsehood over and over again doesn’t make it true.
yeah well back at you Mr. LaRoche
It’s like the trolls never left.
I’m no troll Mr. sausage king I’m staunch staunch staunch I just don’t understand why our presidency is becoming an entry level position. It’s like the more our little country declines the less we ask of our leaders.
That’s not a formula for win Mr. sausage king. That’s a formula for Venezuela.
Mike LaRoche
griefer has a 8×10 glossie of General Custer on his nightstand, because he was no “quitter”.
The flowing blond mane is just an added feature.
when you been in my bedroom?
Cabela’s > Eddie Bauer
Cabela’s > Eddie Bauer + L.L. Bean
You know, ‘feets, I don’t think you’ve ever attempted to dispatch the reality based model of Palin resigning as governor. I know I’ve laid it out repeatedly, and I don’t think anyone with any sense can argue with the good of the outcomes for all parties involved. But you keep bringing that smear like it’s the holy fucking grail. Why don’t you take some time to explain how Alaskans would have benefited from more Governor Palin and less Governor Parnell? And then tell us more about character.
In case it hasn’t been obvious, I’m not a Palin fan. I’m also pretty libertarian on social issues. So it isn’t your politics which inspire me to relentlessly shit on you, but rather your quality of mind and the negative effect you have on discussions here.
Yep. “Ride to the sound of the guns!” sounds inspiring, but it makes for poor political strategery.
Forget it Pablo, it’s L.A. town…
And the staunchiness.
oh. I see Mr. sausage.
Pablo you’re just a Palin apologist is what you are. You need to rise above.
I’m feeling another DEATH THREAT coming on.
…along with a 300 comment thread at RSM’s blog.
OK. Esplain for me. Help me. ^^^^
Now, she’s not a Christer? Fuck, dude. I would have just stayed with that. But flail away if you must.
I’m too hungry.
Were there really close to 200 more comments after I decided I’d wasted enough time defending myself against that idiocy?
Yes, because then Pat started accusing Stacy and his co-bloggers of arbitrarily deleting comments, thus pouring more gasoline onto the fire.
I’m thinking there might be another problem.
that’s easy to say when you got a tasty pancake on your head
How sad.
I mean, that’s not the first time the guy has spent an entire weekend manically following threads on other people’s sites while simultaneously trying to argue that no, he’s not obsessive.
At some point somebody who likes him should point out the performative irony.
Has it not been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that patterico is a douche? I think it has.
So long as he’s propped up by other big lawyer bloggers, he’ll always be part of the conversation.
Aren’t we lucky?
It’s actually a rather old pancake. But back to the glory of what Governor Palin might have been. Esplain, please.
Maybe nobody really likes him? He does seem unlikeable. Not to mention, a monumental bore.
For me to understand, you know. Eh?
I hear ya, Jeff. And that you fight that particular fight is fucking awesome. The fact that he spins his little lawyer brain trying to get a grasp on intentionalism is kind of a public service. Your posts refuting the dork are truly enlightening. I’m still waiting for that book :)
well we’ll never know now will we Pablo
we’ll never ever know
I finally put that Discus mess on my g00gle reader, just to keep the comments in some form of linear order. The last comment (20 hours ago, and nested somewhere in that fucked-up world of Discus) that posted was by Patterico Hisself, crying like a child still about the comments that were ‘missing’…
I’d lost several comments myself, because of the spam filter. Just too many links caused the spamming.
If you go there now and sort by ‘newest first’, I’ve almost the last word. Brings a smile to my formerly stone face.
Or, “I’ve got nothing.” in the vernacular. We can know the outcomes of her decision to resign and how it impacted everything. It’s mostly become history by now, and it all seems to work out well for everyone involved except for maybe you and Andy Sullivan. So, for the stakeholders, I guess you could say.
Wow. He just has to keep going, doesn’t he?
But don’t you dare call him obsessive. THAT IS A MARK AGAINST HIS HONOR AND IT JUST WON’T STAND!
No thanks. I’ll just keep arguing on the merits, and he can keep up his effort to “get me off the internet” and “DESTROY!” me.
Can’t happen. I’ve been told someone very righteous and very powerful knows people — and that there is a whole contingency of forces (many of whom, should their identities be made public, would totally surprise you!) availed in his aid against my repugnant and violent assholery — that will prevent that from ever happening.
For Freedom.
Honor.
A bit of historical pedantry (because I care, and because I can). First, Custer cut his hair short before departing Fort Abraham Lincoln; partly because he was starting to bald, but mostly because he was going to be campaigning in the heat and humidity of summer in Montana. Secondly, had Capt. Benteen shown more dispatch in bringing up his two companies and the packs, who knows? He may have been the man who saved General Custer instead of the man who saved Major Reno. Also, because of the nature of the terrain around the Greasy Grass, there were no guns to hear.
Jeff has a rapid response team to flag comments on other peoples’ blogs? I’m hurt! Why aren’t I on it? is There some secret page you have to know about to sign up? Do you guys have secret handshakes? T-Shirts? Do you get “jumped” in? Or do you “make your bones?”
Well, as Dorothy Johnson once wrote, “when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.”
It occurs to me that the kind of guy to mutter darkly about “rapid response teams” is also the kind of guy to organize a trolling campaign. Hmmmm…..
I thought that was the editor of the Shinbone Star who said that.
@#228.
It is a left thing to accuse others of what they are, have, and will do themselves because they believe everyone else is an exact image of themselves.
The hilarious thing is you think repeating “staunch” three times disproves that you’re a troll.
it does it does it does
The Left is narcissistic like that geoff, no doubt.
Please Mr. Custer.
I think I’m going to watch an old Sherlock Holmes film and then go to bed. The lot of us are sick; gotta take my son back to the doctor tomorrow, so I don’t know how much I’ll be around.
G’night, all.
everybody in Chicago is puking
‘Nite, Jeff.
Would that make them pukeachus?
urp
pikachump, any chump.
[…] After blasting Sarah Palin yesterday, Princess Lisa has move on to the next leg of her “the candidates selected and backed by the GOP Establishment are completely different animals from the kinds of candidates selected by, and supportive of, the TEA Party”- tour, this time taking aim at Jim DeMint: “I think some of the Republicans in the Congress feel pretty strongly that he and his actions potentially cost us the majority by encouraging candidates that ended up not being electable,” Murkowski told POLITICO outside her Senate office. “And I think Delaware is a pretty good example of that, and I think there’re some folks that feel that DeMint’s actions didn’t necessarily help the Republican majority.” […]