A classified military document dump? Really? This is what you think Americans are interested in right now?
It looks like the idea here is to intimate more Bush-era wrongdoings — with worst-case blowback from this classified document release being a heightened terrorist threat here and abroad, civic and political chaos and all-out bloodshed in Iraq, and the death of some of our own soldiers and/or allies.
— Which, hey: small price to pay for a handful of votes from the persistently under-informed, right Democrats?
Of course, what it actually shows is something else entirely.
Christ. What a big sack of fail.
at some point you gotta conclude that our military does a pretty piss-poor job of securing data … at least if you’re one of our allies it’s probably crossed your mind a time or two
Wrong, happy feet. Quite wrong. One little fucker that was determined to be a treasonous fuck does not indict an entire system.
we ok but seem to have no lack of treasonous little fuckers anymore… maybe we should keep an eye out for this sort of mischief in future
that was supposed to be *well* ok
There are motivated leftists in the military, happy. Fact of life.
maybe the military shouldn’t be so eager to recruit at Harvard
Maybe they should ask and tell.
There are very few people I would wish harm to, but Assfuckerange deserves it, slow and painful and everlasting.
Remember,
One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch.
That said, Assange’s asshatery is why the CIA should get back into “wet works”. And, Let the Iraqis do what they want with Iraqis.
Who’s to say it wasn’t a case of:
CIA operative: Well, I guess he’s not going to talk…
Iraqui counterpart: Would you like to hear me make him recite the Gettysburg address, as well as the addresses of all the local insurgents?
CIA operative: I guess I’ll go get lunch now…
I think it’s whoever gave this stuff to Assfuckerange what should be shot. You know, with like bullets and stuff.
Mr. Bob is it really possible that Bradley Manning is the sole miscreant you think?
I served with plenty of old-school Democrats back in the day; some who agreed in the connivance Clinton called the “peace dividend” and actually applauded the disestablishment of our beloved VF-84.
But NONE! of them would have countenanced this kind of treason; nor would they have agreed with the ersatz surrender in the face of the Islamists that is going on today.
I can safely say that we all would have agreed that securing our nation was Job 1!
Not to mention, Syrian and Iranian complicity in supporting the insurgents
this undermines confidence I think
I think it is entirely possible Bradley Manning was the sole miscreant.
But if it weren’t him, it would be someone else.
I love the Army, and there are a ton of fantastic people in it.
But there’s also a wide selection of assholes in it as well.
I liked it better when I still naively assumed we did stuff like this.
the word “treason” doesn’t appear anywhere at all in Bradley’s wikipedia page
Executive order by Ford bh…
Needs to be repealed.
Maybe we should start shooting soldiers who leak this stuff, you know, like they did in the 50’s and 60’s.
How bad is this stuff? Is it that bad, or is this another massive “leak” of already declassified material?
I’m down with that S.S.
Funny that your initials resolve to that infamous acronym…
Assfuckerange and his little traitor buddy praise Allah that we are a kind and merciful people.
Picked that up somewhere when I was younger, Bob. My naivete was in thinking that it was more of a “better to ask for forgiveness than permission” or “what happens in Kabul stays in Kabul” sort of thing. Then people kept staying alive for no reason and I realized they actually followed that rule.
What ‘feets noticed is along the same path. Treason? Well, that’d imply we ought to hang the SOB.* Can’t have that. It could make the traitor sad and that’s just mean.
(*No, not a lawyer.)
How bad is this stuff?
the stuff I’ve read today is very disheartening
Happyfeet – isn’t it pretty much war is war kind of stuff? Nothing blockbuster or even new from what I read. Nishit the genocidal eugenecist fuck is going to be disappointed.
The Iraqi army officers didn’t bother with the little stuff at Abu Ghraib, they were hardcore, and they figured very quickly that the Syrian Mukharabat and Iranian Pasdaran were directing the terrorists
Snuff ’em,
gaia will sort ’em all out…
Besides, less pressure on the eco-system.
Hey! Someone should have used that argument; “cuz Clinton would have surely approved reinststing wet-works had that been the guiding paradigm…
I guess it depends on how secure you think Iraq’s future is… my feel is Iraq has been slipping off track since bumblefuck took office and this will be a lot unhelpful.
Perhaps happyfeet,
But my intuition is that there aren’t too many Iraquis that will be surprised that folks were tortured, by the western definition, in post Saddam Iraq. In fact, many of those same folks will not secessarioly consider the interrogations torture…
But I’m sure Arianna Huffington and MarKos Moulitsas will…
Effin’ communists.
Mr. Sadr and his Iranian pals know how to exploit this stuff maximally is all
Yeah, well if Obama wasn’t committed to kissing Iranian, and Arab, ass this “stuff” would be unexploitable.
Eff Al Jazeera and the other Arab propagandists. I’m done with those mau-mau-ers, and all of the western flak-catchers as well…
I need some summer lemonade cupcakes.
I feel an apology to the world coming on.
Sometimes I think we should airdrop excerpts of The Making of the Atomic Bomb.
Specifically the parts where we figured out the proper weather conditions required to maximize the effects of incendiary bombing.
People forget shit like this. People forget how we used to play. We used to kill people by burning them by the tens of thousands.
We’re playing nice. The bad guys know this. Everyone else is either lying or incomprehensibly stupid.
that’s sort of an insightful look at the pecking order, no?
link
“Sometimes I think we should airdrop
excerpts of The Making ofthe Atomic Bomb.”On Iran. At their nuke sites…
Not a case of FTFY, but a case of revealing my nut dream.
If I was still rated, I’d volunteer.
I’m out folks. Talk to y’all on the morrow.
g’nite Mr. Bob
I had to read that several times
Those two would have absolutely no problem with American servicemen being tortured by our enemies, and neither would Julian Assmunch, for that matter.
The Democrats are certainly being open about their hatred of the military this election year.
Here’s a rather obvious admission: I’ve never been shot at.
Here’s another admission: If I ever put scare quotes around the danger our guys face, I’ll have earned a chance to experience it.
Remember, it’s NPR; Not Possibly Realistic stories…
Why am I not surprised that the NYTimes is focusing on new, previously unknown accounts of civilian deaths!11!1!, and Al Jazeera is concentrating on Iraqis torturing Iraqis!11!1!
It’s obviously more communist spin. More than ever NPR is dead to me. I could care less what they say…
And now, I’m out for reals
on the glass half full side Mr. Jeff is right.. if this is what they got for an October surprise… it’s pretty pathetiful
Yeah, I must agree: that’s some industrial-grade stupid right there.
WTF?
Does Ziyu Ziyu really not recognize the difference between classified military documents and a man’s opinion given on a tv show that traffics in them?
That’s a rhetorical question.
Here’s my advice: we’ve mentioned this story. From here on out, answer the faux-outrage raised by story with something like, “hey, at least those Iraqi guards have jobs.
And Obama hates jobs.
That explains it.
The right’s hypocrisy shows. They berate NPR for firing Williams over his Muslim remarks, claiming that it’s the truth and NPR is censoring free speech while berating wikileaks for exposing the truth and calling for censorship.
Thanks, Ziyu, no need for us to look any farther to find the truth as to what’s not above your brain’s “white matter”.
Looks like like my last comment got caught by the spam filter. Understandable, since NPR was mentioned. ;)
With my ass sitting in Afghanistan ATM, I can tell you that all these so called smoking-gun docement dumps do is piss off the fighting men and women on the ground here. It makes their jobs more difficult with all the second guessing and hand wringing, and emboldens our enemies making the fight that much harder.
Asshat-ainge needs to seriously eat a bullet.
If only they’d let poor Bradley have a boyfriend, the little ass pirate might not have betrayed his country and comrades. They should have Bill Clinton show up to feel his pain before they executes his traitorous ass.
I saw a wide range of Iraqi treatment of prisoners – from the doc at the 14th DIV using up supplies to treat JAM prisoners as well as his own guys, to the 1st IA QRF tie deaders to the hoods of their HMMWVs as the rolled out of certain neighborhoods in Basrah (Boy, I had fun with that – I thought the CoS of the 14th DIV was going to puke when I showed him that filmclip). When I was in Afghanistan the local cops caught two guys who had lobbed a 107mm rocket onto our base, and their greeting was to butt stroke them with their AKs – until our guys stopped them. Different part of the world…
Of course, I was waiting for someone to mention Commander Burge in the Chicago PD to make the point it happens here too…ugh.
Iraqis torturing Iraqis. Now there’s breaking news. Stop the presses.
The problem with classified information protection procedures is they’re primarily geared toward inadvertent disclosure. At higher levels of classification, it becomes more difficult to disclose on purpose, unless you’re Sandy Berger and have plenty of extra room in your trousers.
But the fact remains that you cannot brainwipe people, and people walk around with classified information inside of their heads.
That said, this doesn’t appear to be the case, here. The fellow in question actually walked out with documents, or electronic copies of documents. It’s premeditated disclosure of classified documents. Does he deserve to be shot for it? Probably not. But he has, I think, earned an extended visit to Leavenworth.
Don’t just shoot him. Offer him exile by parachute drop in Waziristan first. That way, when he prefers a Gubmint bullet to being ass raped by an AK before getting carved like a turkey and dragged through the streets, there’s a lesson in moral relativism that all the Pottery Bran leftists can enjoy.
That should be Pottery BARN. Morning Dyslexia I guess.
Remember, last time it is rumored Assange was tipped off by someone in the White House. It’s a good bet he has friends in the White House.
Assfuckerange is a PATRIOT and you torture loving kilobits will get your ass handed to you on November 2nd because this HERO has exposed you for the morally depraved cretins you are.
Not all of this was Bush era, apparently.
In June 2009, coalition forces dealt with a prisoner who was bruised, shaken and tearful and who reported that a unit of Iraqi soldiers had beaten him on the soles of his feet and on his back and threatened him with sexual assault. The log continued: “This is not the first time that this battalion have been accused of alleged detainee abuse. There have been at least three previous accusations.”
…in February 2009, there was new evidence that Husayba police had set up a torture room in which they had abused some 33 victims. A senior Iraqi officer was asked to investigate.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-detainee-abuse-torture-saddam
That much is obvious, B Moe.
But the likelihood of our MSM burying that lede is rather high, I’d suspect. At least, until after the elections.
So few people trust them nowadays, though, that I’m not even sure it matters anymore.
Geez, who would have thought the Iraqis might be kinda brutal in waging a counterinsurgency against foreign agents and attempting to pacify their own country following decades of despotic rule?
Talk about a dog-bites-man story…
Shocking, yes, but the amperage is rather low, and it won’t leave a permanent mark, so no worries.
It’s not like anybody who is exicted about this ‘news’ gives a shit about all the victims of Iran, Syria, Hezballah, etc.
If this is the best our enemies have then things are looking pretty grim for them.