Oops!
The self-important tut-tutting of the Beinarts and the Simons and their legion of hamfisted parrots aside, most Americans simply do not believe that their opposition to the Ground Zero mosque has anything at all to do with religious intolerance. That is, they understand the difference between what you are legally permitted to do and what you should do — and they find lectures on tolerance from those who refuse to extend them the same courtesies more than a little presumptuous.
Too, as a constitutional law professor, Obama doesn’t believe that opposition to the mosque is an issue of religious intolerance — unless he really did spend his years at law school reading Alinsky instead of, say, the Constitution, or case law. Because while we do have freedom of religion and a right to worship in this country, we do not — as I tried to point out yesterday — have a legal right to plant our places of worship anyplace we wish. City officials and the applicable zoning boards have given the mosque the legal go ahead; and no one has seriously argued that building the mosque at ground zero should be made illegal, just as most opponents of the mosque have not spent time trying to block the building of other mosques in other places — a fact that gives lie to the suggestion that what is at work among the opposition to this project is a desire to oppress a particular religion.
However, the current debate — framed as Obama has framed it — does give global Islamists an important PR victory insofar as they can point to the American President lecturing voters on the need for religious freedom. 70% of American voters, the narrative will go, are in favor of oppressing Muslims — a further reason why Muslims worldwide need to distrust the US.
And so yes, Obama — having framed his remarks as he did, and having framed them before a large group of embassy bureaucrats (many from countries where religious freedom is an alien and ridiculous concept) — has elevated what was an issue of conscience into an issue that in some ways serves as a litmus test for those who presume to lead.
Once again, the way forward is to call the progressive left out on its cynical, disingenuous premises — to knock aside their strawman arguments in order to reveal the sneering anti-Americanism that defines the face of transnational liberal fascism. When they call for tolerance, ask where is their tolerance for your position or for your hurt; when they scream about reconciliation and moderate Muslim outreach, ask them why “moderate” Muslims would insist on going forward with a project that so clearly rubs at still-fresh national wounds; ask them how a call for a change in venue is an attempt to institute religious oppression — why the venue, as opposed to the right to worship freely, seems to matter most to those making accusations of religious intolerance.
Even those Americans whose density led to the election of a tinpot tyrant are beginning to understand that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Remind them why and how.
This is a clarifying moment. Time to define yourselves.
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(thanks to RightScoop for the audio)
And hurry up with the clarifying. My Alexa ranking continues to drop like a stone, so I don’t know how much longer I’ll find any of this worth it.
It’s funny, they want Bush to do with this question what he took the trouble to do with the stem cell issue? Ha.
I thought your point yesterday was the mostest compellingest one…
This is a little island what so esteems freedom that they won’t permit a wal-mart to be built.
Such trenchant succinctness to buttonhole and isolate the running, unaware lie of pop progressivism.
Insert trolling here:
So, do we miss McChimpy now?
Well said Jeff. It’s the location of the mosque, not the mosque itself that is objectionable. Why do the mohamadeans want it there? Who is paying their bills?
To point this out from the start, TD above is William Yelverton of MTSU, known plagiarist.
So they want President Bush to weigh in now. The same fucking people who thought making a movie assassinating President Bush was a cool and trendy thing to do. They lied and abused President Bush 24/7 for almost 8 years straight.
God damn all you fucking “progressive” liberals to hell.
Can’t see youtube where I am, but it looks like that vid has been up for 15 days and had all of 93 views!
Whatever it is, TD smells like willie the racist hilljack
[…] Jeff says it better than I. Of course. Once again, the way forward is to call the progressive left out on its cynical, disingenuous premises — to knock aside their strawman arguments in order to reveal the sneering anti-Americanism that defines the face of transnational liberal fascism. When they call for tolerance, ask where is their tolerance for your position or for your hurt; when they scream about reconciliation and moderate Muslim outreach, ask them why “moderate” Muslims would insist on going forward with a project that so clearly rubs at still-fresh national wounds; ask them how a call for a change in venue is an attempt to institute religious oppression — why the venue, as opposed to the right to worship freely, seems to matter most to those making accusations of religious intolerance. […]
Sorry about taking the Lord’s name in vain there.
I am just so fucking pissed at these bastards right now. Fucking steam coming out of my ears.
They will continue to reframe our argument until the issue is over. That is their strategy.
Oh, my. How did that happen? I don’t even know how to do pingbacks. If I “did” the quote wouldn’t have been so long.
I’m not watching that TD. You got a point?
I think it’s getting to the point that for anything you do, they’re going to impose pre-selected motives upon you – so why not just be anti-Muslim? What the fuck is the difference anymore? Why bother with the introspection, scruples, and application of neutral principles even when it yields an unfavorable result? What is to be gained by actually being fair and principled and having the “correct” thoughts when the 30% and the Media is going to smear you and finger-wag anyway? They’ve got a Jesus allergy that is beginning to carry the weight of law – why not a symmetrical, political response?
we should hear from Mr. BJ soon yes?
93 views = teh dextrosphere is awash in hatreds and raaaaacisms!!!
Goddammit isn’t taking the Lord’s name in vain. Taking the Lord’s name in vain is, say, a politician citing Teh Word when they meant to leverage their way into some votes. Should that ever happen.
I was not commenting on, and I refuse to comment on, the wisdom of the decision to locate two strip clubs, a Burger King, a lesbian bar, and vendors selling cheap China-made 9/11 momentos in that location.
Hallowed ground.
there’s a Burger King in Chinatown already they have Hershey’s Sundae pie there it’s not too bad really but it’s even better if you share it with a friend
“…they’re going to impose pre-selected motives upon you…”
To the extent that this is so (and I do think that it is in some measure) it may offer a tactical advantage at times, since their refusal to examine us, their chosen adversaries, means they won’t know from moment to moment what we are actually thinking, feeling, planning, executing. There are, however, limits to their ignorance, much of it being merely feigned, so we shouldn’t get cocky.
Jho,
Even before I clicked on your link – I knew what it was. Watching Nancy Mussolini talk about the “word” was just painful.
The bitch wouldn’t know what a bible looked like even if someone cracked her over the head with one.
We’ll call you after the first large-scale stipper-lesbian attack resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocents. Or, maybe not – something tells me I’d be otherwise occupied.
I don’t know, you give a couple lesbians a couple hijacked airliners and suddenly the whole neighborhood’s gone.
The next time a pole-dancing dyke* dressed as Henry VIII takes down Sears Tower with a barrage of snowglobes, TD, I promise I’ll campaign against setting up any of those things in the vicinity.
*obligatory “nttawwt”
“We’re going down” might be a confusing concept, yes.
You know, that Burger “King” guy gives me the creeps.
It’s kinda fun … these trolls with their meme du jour.
That’s because you’re intolerant, didn’t you know? It says so in the Constitution. Commerce clause, or summat.
Maybe it’s the pork Whoppers, Darth?
Now, after greeting the 150 returning soldiers in Texas, George W embarks on step two of his Class Offensive. As it is not for him to ‘weigh in’, now Obama will pre-emptively re-weigh in, and end up looking like the guy who said, “you know those little things on the end of the string that you pull to turn the light on? That was my idea. I just never got around to getting a patent. But I invented it.”
Constitution? Nancy and Barry burned that thing as soon as Barry mobbed his way into the White House. They had a little ceremony right there in the Oval office.
Unlucky for them, all us bitter clingers have copies of it.
Implosion: it’s what’s for
dinnerdemocratsIn memory of Mohammad Salman Hamdani
I take it willie the racist hilljack is in favor of a synagogue in Mecca.
In memory of Daniel Pearl.
Of course, it’s illegal to build a synagogue in Mecca. Or practice Judaism. Or Christianity. Or Buddhism. Or atheism.
But you can practice your skin flute playing, willie. You just get stoned for it, and not the good kind.
The Towers were not taken down by Burger King or cheap trinkets. Surely the opposition to a mosque so close to Ground Zero is not really that difficult to understand? Please tell me you’re not responsible for educating other people.
Honestly … we need outreach in the Middle East. I say we put up a
church or a synagogueCommunity Center with a “Prayer space” (that has pews versus rugs) to help them learn tolerance toward us.C’mon, Carin, they’re not expected to live up to our standards. How else do we justify feeling superior and behaving in a patronizing manner? If you oppose cutting off a woman’s nose you’re pretty much just a cultural imperialist.
The Kathleen Parker method of teaching the muslims to be tolerant will have us in burkas before there is a church in Mecca.
Would a “moderate” muslim really want to build something like this, knowingly pissing off a huge majority of Americans?
William Yelverton, plagiarist extraordinaire seems intent on proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is the dummerest skin flute player on the planet. So far, his only competition is amongst his multiple gender bending personalities.
That’s kinda weapons-grade, isn’t it JD? Blinded by his own paltry science.
Would it be better (as opposed to pounding on Willie, say, or Obama) to return to the questions raised by “Now What?“, since the change in power is coming or “Who’s the Radical?“, since this goes to self-definition as such.
It seems to me that we remain in an essentially passive position with regard to the choice of our representatives, allowing them to choose themselves and only then making our “choice”, which proves to be little if any choice at all. Working our way through the idea of choosing from the bottom up, by what criteria, with what characteristics in mind to what purpose, all prior to the moment of choosing, seems something closer to what the founders had in mind by their sense of “self-government”. But maybe not.
There was a time when the KKK marched against building a Catholic church in my town.
Fear and ignorance rears its ugly head yet again.
“All you need to now about Muslims we learned on 9/11.”
“All we need to know about right wing Christians we learned from Timothy McVeigh. “
I was just lurking around the Cordoba initiative website. They have a blog, and their top piece is about Abu Zubaydah. Poor, Abu Zubaydah. Never anything more than a minor logistics guy for Al Qaeda. And, because of those mean meanies …
Sure, this “travel agent” gave us information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al Shibh and eventually KSM. Sure, information gathered from this “not al Queda” low-level worker who happened to arrange the meeting of Padilla with KSM.
But the guy has BLINDING headaches now. And Cordoba is defending HIM and building bridges.
Who are these moderate muslims I keep hearing about, and where do I find them? Are they anything like the exciting single ladies waiting for me to call that I see advertised on late night tv?
“All you need to now about Muslims we learned on 9/11.”
“All we need to know about right wing Christians we learned from Timothy McVeigh. “
God, you’re stupid.
There was an actual moderate muslim on Mark Levin’s show last night.
Sorry about taking the Lord’s name in vain there.
You took your covenants with God lightly?
You wore a yarmulke into a XXX theater? What?
Leftist Principles Lesson 1: Compare and Contrast First Amendment Violations
Dr. Laura vs Ground Zero Mosque
Extra Credit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/nancy-pelosi-calls-for-pr_n_686049.html#comments
Commerce clause, or summat.
“Good and Plenty” clause, actually. It covers everything.
There was an actual moderate muslim on Mark Levin’s show last night.
Also known as the video at the top of this very post. :D
Oh, I don’t do videos. Don’t have the bandwidth, sorry.
I was just answering Ernst’s question. I should have realized from the video’s title that’s what it was.
Willie the racist skinflute playing hilljack has no problems building a museum of nuclear weaponry in Hiroshima.
BECAUSE OF TEH TOLERANT BRIDGE-BUILDING!!!!11!!
I mostly just read teh Jeff words.
He was really good. I heard it while waiting for my son to finish up football.
“…I certainly respect that and I certainly respect them…”
Are nihilists surprised when they are annihilated?
“All we need to know about right-wing Christians we learned from Timothy McVeigh.”
Well, you got us on that one. We can’t deny the fact that McVeigh had a Bible clutched in one hand and a crucifix in the other when he parked that yellow van, shouting “Christ Is Lord!” and reciting verses from 1 Thessalonians during the detonation.
And we can’t ignore the tens of millions of McVeigh followers who hail him as a martyr for the cause, all those people who mobbed the courthouse during his trial, demanding that he be released for “having the courage to do the right thing.”
The Tea Parties carry placards with his visage emblazoned upon it, hoping against hope that the movement to build a McVeigh memorial on the site of the Murrah building, amid all those chairs, will finally be built. Donations continue to pour in from all corners.
If Yelverton gets us dead to rights, we ought to own up, folks. It’s only fair.
[W]e need outreach in the Middle East.
As I recall, Ann Coulter had some very specific ideas on how to go about doing that.
Is there anyone the right doesn’t hate?
Commentary: Fear mongering never went out of style in politics*
It’s really interesting how Yelverton, who complains incessantly about the redneck knuckle-dragging Bible-thumpers he’s forced (FORCED!) to live among, and yet he is siding with people who are WORSE on every count than the Christians he so freely hates.
Fanaticism? Worse.
Treatment of women? Worse.
H8red of Teh Ghey? Worse.
Theocratic desires? Worse.
Demands that everyone live by THEIR book? Worse.
Intolerance of non-believers? Worse.
Sexual repression? Worse.
Whatever complaints the Left has against Bible-thumping Christers, the Muslims score WORSE, but because they’re exotic foreigners, and because siding with them provides an irresistable opportunity for moral preening, that’s where the Left stands.
Were it not for double standards, Yelvie, you’d have no standards at all.
Someone actually wrote this sentence in the article hf linked:
That’s it, isn’t it? A majority is simply opposed to ground zero. One can’t help but wonder, where do they stand on coffee grounds?
Are nihilists surprised when they are annihilated?
wOOt!
Is there anyone the right doesn’t hate?
You, feets. You’re too cute and cuddly to hate.
Are nihilists surprised when they are annihilated?
Only by the intensity of the orgasm.
What, you’re only willing to do things that are “worth it?” It’s people like you that are ruining the Recovery Summit by refusing to hire people just because you can’t afford it.
UN-AMERICAN!
cuddly like a little pikachu
Should have been “Recovery Summer.”
Spell-check approved that but it flags anything with Obama’s name.
Fascism. What do fascists do? Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists’ nation and who refuse to assimilate. Fascist governments do not offer freedom of religion, they decide who and where comunity centers and places of worship can be built.
Ba haaa haaa haaa.
So, now our opposition is Fascist?
that is a hoot.
What do fascists do? Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.
You got that part right.
Nice play on words, Carin.
Willie the fucking douchebag plagiarist, if you’re going to quote wiki, at least link or credit wiki.
Nice play on words, B Moe.
In a recorded interview with Time magazine[80] McVeigh professed his belief in “a god”, although he said he had “sort of lost touch with” Catholicism and “I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.” Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.[81][82] McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, “Science is my religion.”[83]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists’ nation and who refuse to assimilate.
You mean like how Western Culture is the only non-culture in multi-culturalism?
I mean, the government is (overwhelmingly) for something, “we” are against it … so us little people with no power are the fascists. I’m gonna have to take a minute to let this soak in.
Willie, you are so frelling stupid it’s surprising you don’t forget to breathe.
Nishi wept.
William Yelverton. Political Scientist, Sociologist, Expert on Terrorism, Constitutional Scholar and Guitar coach. How does he find the time?
JD?
Rex Nutting is one of the most appropriately named fellows I have encountered.
TD, I thought you were going to expound on how those of us voicing our opinions, disconnected from power and/or government, are fascist?
I eagerly await.
William Yelverton – when all 5’3″ of you stands up, do you drool? When you plagiarize, which you do as a matter of practice, does it give you a special feeling in your naughty place?
at some point I have to go home cause I left the wurtles out and it’s supposed to get to be 100 degrees and that’s kinda toasty for wurtles
FYI…. Ted Olsen, lawyer for Bush in Bush v. Gore, whose wife was killed on a hijacked plane on 9/11, supports religious freedom, the Constitution, and the rights to build the proposed Mosque in NYC.
Ernst – you forgot midget, veggie pie-ay-yah chef, and sprinter in the handicapable games.
He’s not exactly been batting a thousand lately, no.
But now you have a map to see how wrong you are, okay? Now: Fuck you. Fuck you and shut up, you assholes. Shut up and leave New York alone.
Wow. If that is your idea of promoting tolerance I can see why you love you some muzzies, willie.
Dwelling on the meaning of Timothy McVeigh is not fear mongering. Dwelling on the meaning of Mohammed Atta is fear mongering. Got it now, fascists?
Then feel entirely free to interview the man, WY.
He says from Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/sny_poll/10%20August%20SNY%20Poll%20Release%20–%20FINAL.pdf
Well then.
I lurv it when william yelverton, midget plagiarist, tries to claim some moral high ground and argue from moral AUTHORITAH !!! Respect his title, people. He knows shit you don’t. Actually, he knows shit. This sure does have him worked up. He hates Christians and loves Muslims, yet demands tolerance of his asshattery.
So if this attrocity gets built, and some 9/11 survivor who disagrees with Ted Olson blows it all to hell, you think we will hear anything about chickens coming home to roost?
“…you think we will hear anything about chickens coming home to roost?”
Or, are nihilists surprised when they are annihilated?
Frankly, if this were my blog, I’d be embarrassed to have regulars like JD who make ad hominem attacks their mission. It’s really pathetic and speaks poorly of your blogging community.
Fascist governments do not offer freedom of religion, they decide who and where comunity centers and places of worship can be built.
Unlike today’s zoning laws, which do not exist.
And it diminishes the reason of the reason too, WY. For shame!
You, on the other hand Willie, do nothing but raise the tone all the way to moron. Which, kudos.
Frankly, if this were your blog nobody would give a flying fuck.
See, WY, a couple comments and we’re already back to laughing hearty, ad hom style.
And you wonder why I call me and these other schlubs intractable racists?
JD doesn’t give lying trolls their due. Bad JD! Bad!
utah has hobo spiders what get inside your house and eat you up
here is a story about it
here is a very very very disturbing picture of what it do on you
this is not a benevolent universe what we are living in
Hey, I don’t give lying trolls their due either. Bad me! Bad!
See, that’s just piling on, cranky.
The brown recluse has much the same effect. Nasty.
I take that to be an admission that Yelverton is, indeed, 5’3.”
Now that’s commentary.
Fascism. What do fascists do? Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.
Corporatism, coined by Mussolini, means that the corporations are nominally private but they must march to the beat the government plays or risk being taken over by the gubmint. It means that Big Biz, Big Labor, and Big Gubmint sit at the power table and dictate how the rest of us live.
It’s different from socialism only in that Mussolini figured why take over a company and root out the people who know how to run it? He left the human infrastructure in place but on the condition that they do what he says.
So result-wise, it’s essentially a Left-Wing thing.
The trolls are toting Nuclear Grade stupid today.
It’s not making ad hom attacks. It’s laughing at you and your faux-intellectual stupidity. It’s mockery and disdain, pure and simple.
“I’m … laughing … at the … ‘superior intellect’,” to quote the real Captain Kickass, James T. Kirk.
By JD’s rule of trolls, this issue has some serious legs.
I just heard some cocksucker on the radio saying to Obama in the backyard theater “Thank you for doing such a great job.” I guess cussing him to his face, stamping on his instep and punching him in the gut was right out with all the Secret Service there.
However, the gubmint takeover of GM and the diktat that they build useless electric cars does NOT resemble fascism in the least. I just want to be clear and stuff.
As for hobo spiders, they are the reason I always wear gloves when trimming back the Virginia Creeper. My dad got bit on the leg while mowing the lawn and it didn’t look that creepy but he did get a bit of necrosis.
If this were your blog, William the plagiarist Yelverton, nobody would be fucking reading your drivel. Are 6 of the 7 posts on your frontpage still comment free? Have you decided when you will quit plagiarizing? How many names have you used to avoid being banned for serial dishonesty? Why do you call my facts ad hom? Why are you a nozzle of douche? Why do you think ad hom is worse than serial dishonesty and sockpuppetry? Inquiring scientific minds want to know.
The GM electric car had been in the works for a long time, di. I won’t argue that there wasn’t some kind of push to market, but it usually takes years to get a new model out.
“Pay no attention to the throbbing issue damaging to the Left behind the curtain! The Great Oz commands it!”
the recluse is in Texas… I had a horrific infestation one time and just got lucky they didn’t munch on me… it was when I was in college and they took over the storage unit I had put everything in and I was too poor to just say screw it so I had to sit and scrape eggs off everything and shake the little bastards out of everything
the storage unit people were curiously nonchalant about the whole dealio
Problem is, WY, that JD was made for days like this. Battles, see: chosen wisely.
Do the hobo spideys have those cute little bindles floating on a stick over their thoraxes?
Of course, that electric car was in response to government regulations that were in place before the takeover of GM>
Frankly, if this were my blog, I’d be embarrassed to have regulars like JD who make ad hominem attacks their mission. It’s really pathetic and speaks poorly of your blogging community.
And yet, Roxanne, you can’t stop your attention whoring. Nobody’s making you wear the red dress, you know?
You would think there might be some reference to Bedell, the Pentagon subway shooter, Stack, the Austin Federal Building’ kamikazi Scotsman ‘or Bishop, the Alabama faculty shooter, those seem to be the violent
ones these days
You mean “your blogging community speaks poorly”, actually. Whenever it comments under my moniker, anyway.
Nothing like that has ever happened in my town or in any nearby town. The closest we’ve gotten is a church that built a gym and wanted to open it to the public for profit. That doesn’t jive with their church zoning, and there was also a security question with the gym being in the same building as the church’s school. So, we hate Christians around here, undoubtedly. Aside from that, we’ve never really done bigotry. Ya racist hilljack fucker.
Willie don’t care if it’s wrong or if it’s right.
Here’s a video for you, Willie. Please take it to heart.
Very NSFW.
Nowadays, it would be Vagina Warriors marching against building a Catholic Church, but yeah, same idea.
William Yelverton has proven, quite clearly, that he is not capable of being embarrassed. As for the ad hom, each and every word I use to describe you is demonstrably true. How does that fit in with your little whiny temper tantrum?
On the other hand, Senator Harry Reid (D – Nevada) opposes it. Why don’t you write him a letter?
What is willie’s blog called? I’m looking for a good paella recipe and pictures of cats.
Nevermind the moderate Muslims, look instead for a moderate
nihilistliberal:Awwwwwww … did we hurt poor widdle willie’s feelings?
Makewi – I will not post a link to it but it is loosetncanon.blogspot. attach the appropriate prefix and suffix. You will find out how he does not stifle debate, a link to studies showing that conservatives are mentally stunted, and Roget’s Thesaurus “definitions” of liberal and conservative (a common meme of his). You can also find the pie-ay-yah and cat serenading pix at tnparadise.blogspot, again, prefix and suffix required.
This was done by BJ, and never fails to make me smile …
https://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=3383
sdferr – That just makes you a hater.
Thanks JD!
I got $500 says I can make Willie stifle debate. Takers?
Would a Big Top Cupcake fix it JD?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/attack-killer-donut
No capitalism, JG. Surely it stifles debate.
Jeff: I can’t swing five hundo, but I can send a few cigars your way if you can pull it off.
Jeff G., I think you can make Willie stifle debate quite handily, using only the facts, so that would be a sucker bet for me.
Oh, I am sure that you could do so, Jeff G. It would be hysterical to watch. He already managed to get one long time blog that serr8d used to contribute to shut down, because of William Yelverton’s lying idiocy. And I have no doubt, I repeat no doubt, that Jeff G. can get William Yelverton to dance like a pig in a tutu.
One of my favorite william yelverton-isms is when he claims to come armed with facts, he has facts, and you have nothing, nothing I tell you.
did big top cupcake man just suggest I might could put “gelatin” filling in my cupcake?
not if it was the last possible filling I had lying about my trailer I don’t think
wrong wrong wrong
laying aboot
They are like replicators, or the bugs on Klendathu, they just infest every blogspace
A new name. Great.
Where, exactly, is anyone here advocating for a muslim-free zone, you lying fuck?
you don’t put mosques at ground zero and you don’t put gelatin in cupcakes
end of discussion
Obviously. Which makes the rest of your post nonsensical drivel. Obviously.
It isn’t exactly rocket science, and I have to figure that folks like willie are missing the point on purpose in order to pretend that they hold some semblance of the high ground.
The assholes at Phelps church of the sacred cock protest at military funerals. They have a constitutional right to free speech, so they are allowed to continue to do so. OTOH, a large majority of Americans would prefer that they did not. As it happens, while Americans in general are fine with places of worship, they just happen to feel that this mosque in this location is very much like the aforementioned church of how to have great gay sex performing their love of the man cock at a military funeral.
Comment by Jeff G. on 8/18 @ 1:09 pm #
I got five if you can make the dingbat stifle.
hmmm. here’s Key Lime Cupcakes With Lime Jello Salad Frosting but they just use the jello as part of the frosting… still… frosting almost always makes tasty filling, no?
perhaps there’s something to this idea
Ah, that’s the Tick back for another go-round JD.
I am submitting a proposal to build a barbeque shack in Berkely, right next to the CPUSA.
I’m going to call it ‘Orwell’s Organic Animal Farm’.
My motto? “All animals are equal, but some are more tasty than others”
Let the tolerance deluge begin!
You’re not suggesting you’re going to be roasting long-pig are you Mr. W?
Nice, Mr. W!
On the other side you could open a medical marijuana shop. Call it “Pol’s Pot”.
No, “dire” or whatever your name is. Like most leftoids, you have mistaken your mirror for a window.
YOU and your fellows are the ones who, finding you don’t like something, move heaven, earth, legislatures, and judges to forbid it. If you want to make an area “GLBT(whatever) friendly”, that invariably means that Catholics, Mormons, etc. who don’t suck up to gays and the rest of the alphabet soup are in the soup — in jail, fined, or paying off a court judgement.
We don’t roll that way. We believe in freedom, and one of the aspects of freedom is that if it exists there are going to be people who piss other people off — and, in fact, if there aren’t people who piss any randomly selected other person off, it is definitional evidence that you don’t have freedom. In particular, we don’t seek legal action against those who piss us off, unless it causes palpable harm — and “hurt feelings” are not “palpable harm” in our book. “He hurt my feelings, punish/fine/jail/shoot the bastard” is an assault, not a complaint eliciting sympathy.
So watch your keyboarding. Any time you find your fingers forming a word that reduces to a legal sanction — including but not limited to “restrict”, “deny”, “xx free”, and similar — to characterize our position, you have created a damnable, palpable, bald-faced lie.
Now, we do get hurt feelings. (That especially happens when people lie about, or to, us.) When we do we reserve the right to jeer, insult, and otherwise attempt to return the favor. What we don’t do is try to get the Sword of the State to cuddle us and make it all better, and bash the feelings-hurter. When you assume that we do, you aren’t looking at us, you’re looking in the mirror — that’s your position, and it’s a big reason we despise (not “hate” or “fear”) you. You aren’t in the least scary, and we don’t corrode our soles with hate, especially for a slimy scumbucket such as yourself, who expects as routine to be able to send goons to beat up on people who disagree with you because it hurts your feelings.
Our position on the matter is clear, and has been from the beginning: the people behind this project are slimy, cynical, triumphalist scumbuckets whose intention is to hurt the feelings of people who have already been hurt — if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be behind the project, they’d be opposing it. We mean to do all we can in the realms of calumny and general jeering. But sending goons to enforce a “Muslim free zone”? Nah. That’s what you and your buddies do to anti-abortion protesters, which is a big part of the reason you’re a gang of slimy scumbuckets.
Regards,
Ric
s/soles/souls/
My kingdom for preview/edit… nah, not nearly enough.
Regards,
Ric
the muslims and the gays circled each other warily, each as frightened to make the first move as they were desirous that the other would… they circled and circled round and round until the moon was high in the sky and everyone else had gone home
what happened then I cannot say
I’m pretty sure canned goods changed hands though
Which one do you suppose is more reproachable in the unestimable [stet!] opinion of William Yelverton, court jester to our would-be philosopher kings?
what happened then I cannot say
Had their been a fiddler, a barn, and a man with impeccable timing who is not afraid to utter the words “dose do”, the outcome might have been more certain.
What Ric said, meya. And you know it.
Be proud. You showed them the Way.
Regards,
Ric
And there are comments discussing violence and bombings etc… directed at this cultural center.
You are such a fucking pussy. You need to buy a plane ticket to Pussistan and run for President of Pussistan you would win in a landslide. You’re such a pussy, they may already be writing you in for President of Pussistan.
Here’s another comment about violence and bombings for you to enjoy you fucking pussy:
If dire’s (or whatever it’s name is) sense of inner strength could be used to make an IED, children would ride their Big Wheel’s over it to get that ‘funny feeling’.
dire
liar
pants on fire!
Shouldn’t you be douching?
I don’t approve of legal action against the project, and wouldn’t initiate any such myself.
But criticism of it coming from leftoids, whose default — in fact preferred — response to any criticism whatever is to send goons to beat up on the critics, moves me only to jeers.
Regards,
Ric
In polynymic polymath William Yelverton’s Land of Make Believe, civil suits are the same as the Nuremburg Laws, just as internet comments are the same as Kristallnacht. Because the wishing makes it so. first they came for the Communists, but I said nothing, for…
is this a crisis what for not to waste?
Soflee, Ernst. Successful litigation against the project would result in sending goons against it — the distinction is important in other contexts, but not here.
Now excuse me for a while. I have to go buy horse feed before the store closes. The bin is empty, and the critters eat like, well…
Regards,
Ric
This is not william the plagiarist yelverton, it is the 859th iteration of meya/RD/bdamn/pfar/inyoursoup?etal
It is really cute that it pulled out the “it is not a mosque” meme that most of the Left discarded long ago.
This troll does not know the difference between legislation by the government and a lawsuit brought by a private citizen? Stay out of traffic, fool.
How about some racist progg instead, meya? Please refudiate.
Apparently there are going to be bus ads taking an anti mosque position as well. Does their depravity know no limits?
I prefer to refer to all trolls William Yelverton, polynymic polymath and plagiarist extraordinaire, because its so much fun to type. But thanks for the heads up, JD.
Maybe RD/Meya I’ll refer to as the polynymic polymorphous receptacle of William Yelverton, polynymic polymath and plagiarist extraordinaire.
The “cultural center” meme is still alive? Then why all the appeals to “freedom of religion”? A bit self-refuting, yes?
I am fairly comfortable that I understand what this place is meant to be, but I had an early start on Islam – learning Ottoman history as an undergrad and grad student….then I really had to step it up, being sent to places inside the Dar al Islam. Learned some Arabic, read the Koran and got to know all sorts of Muslims – from the fairly devout to the ones that would say “mullahs…pfft!”
It is a quite deliberate, in-your-face, place. It will use our legality to exist and our PC trends to deflect observation and questioning. It is not planned for any good mannered reason, not out of a desire to better NY, where adherents to the faith it claims to represent killed so many. It is deeply offensive to many, many people in NYC, NY State and the country as a whole. Is that hard to understand why? I wish our trolls would address that simple point.
We are the millions of people among the 70% opposed to this who are using our voices and opinions to apply pressure to stop this thing — not asking the courts to do it for us.
If you don’t know your audience, is it any wonder no one takes you seriously?
Piss off.
Howard Dean gives a AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGG!!!!!
– It’s going to be a tough couple of months for the Lefturds, seeing as to how 65% of New Yorkers, (you remember, the only people who really have a say in any of this), want the Moose-limbs to take their Mosque and shove it.
– But it does give the Proggs the chance to prove once and for all time they discriminate against all denominations, unless you know, its a cult, then they’re all over it with pinnacles of angst and outrage and stuff.
– In the mean time, the reality of it all is no Mosques triumph will be built anywhere near ground zero. Theres not a labor group in all of NY that would lay a single brick. None.
– Of course the Left could always gather a group of dirty hippies to try to scab the construction.
– Personally I’d love to see them try that.
Could it be Dr. Dean, DVM, realized that this Mosque business is not good medicine for the DNC and its stable of mules and donkeys.
– Maybe the Dems should change their party mascot from a Donkey to a short camel.
BBH, how about a goat that gets way too much attention.
– Somebody needs to photoshop that and plaster it all over the internet, with the slogan:
‘Teh Democrats – The part of spit!”
part = party
Back again…
I see Jeff’s done a little disinfecting.
But yeah, I’d change the “I”s to “we”s in #168 and wait for denunciation. I wouldn’t expect much, tho.
Regards,
Ric
For the vast majority of these idiot trolls, anyone not them is a cartoon caricature of a “freeper”.
They’re arguing with vapor, and we’re here laughing at them. It clearly frustrates the hell out of them.
” … ask them why “moderate” Muslims would insist on going forward with a project that so clearly rubs at still-fresh national wounds…”
Bingeaux.
I was not opposed to the building of a mosque near ground zero for about three sentences into the first thing I read about it, when the date of the dedication was stated. Even then, I gave them the benefit of the doubt — perhaps they were naive enough to think, initially, that this WOULD be accepted as a gesture of conciliation, in which case that the overwhelming offense would be so shocking, so embarrassing, that they would be compelled to change not only the dedication date, but the siting of the project altogether.
The fact that they dug in their heels put every prior ostensible motivation to the lie, and legitimately gave rise to every conceivable speculation about what their real motivations were, and are. … that’s the whole controversy, from the “agin’ it” camp, full stop.
– They’re going to need to dump paint buckets full of koo;aide over themselves to put out this fire, and that’s not going to work either.
Behold: <"Teh burning clowns"
– While all this is going on the NY Port authority has been caught in a public lie concerning the Greek Orthadox church that was destroyed at GZ on 9/11.
– The Port people issued a statement saying they had made an offer to the church that was turned down, and the church countered today saying no such offer was ever made, or turned down. That they, the church, has never turned down any offer from the Port since no offer has ever been given to them. The church has been trying for years to get the needed permits to replace the Cathedral, built in 1914, without success.
– Ok trolls. Lets see some loud cries of intolerance and bigotry here. Oh wait, its not about defending your favorite cult. Never mind.
BBH,
Doesn’t the Port Authority want that property for a police/security headquarters, or some such thing?
– Charles Kraugthammer:
– “….Nancy Pelosi’s comment about looking into who is funding the opposition to the Mosque is either mean spirited attack politics or lunacy. Being the gentle soul I am I would give her the benefit of the doubt and go with lunacy.
Does she thing that people who lost loved ones on 9/11 need to be payed to be insulted by this effort to build a monument to Islam and sharia law on the site of the slaughter of 3000 Americans. Is she totally mad?
And what about me. Nobodies payed me a dime, and I’m against it. What am I, chopped liver?”
– Pelosi just tryed to walk her craziness back a tad, saying she wanted to clarify that the people pushing the Mosque should also be investigated. Aparently she wants to investigate everybody in the country.
– But really, suggesting that the surviving families of 9/11 are some how being payed to speak out against the Mosque in some shady, sinister political deal, is just stupid beyond belief. The Democrats are in total panic.
– Howard Dean says he’s against it. So now the Clintonista’s also smell blood in the water. Hillery, this far, has remained silent.
– True Spiney, but why lie about it. I mean, they’re sitting there watching this perfect storm and then they do something like that. Something they must know will be open to public scrutiny in a heartbeat.
– This seems more and more the season of political madness.
Just checked out the post at Feministe. That whole place is batshit fucking nuts. Rambling thread that went from Catholics who disagree a little from official doctrine aren’t real Catholics but Moslems who disregard the whole fucking Koran are the only real Moslems spiraling down to Zu Zu just finally declaring that Catholicism is far more evil than Islam and always has been.
I asked them how they would feel if Eric Rudolph’s congregation wanted to build a Christian Outreach and Adoption Center next to the abortion clinic he blew up.
If it clears moderation you will probably hear the heads exploding for miles.
And smiling quietly to herself at the chaos…
– Well at least they do things right in Peru.
Um… Isn’t investigating people with whose opinions you disagree called “McCarthyism” or something like that?
OT: Old photo of Willie’s father discovered.
Wonder whether that cat is thinking “Um, lunch.”?
William is not a very nice host at his website. In fact, he is downright rude.
That is precisely why I do not like midgets, bh
Since I lack Dr. Krauthammer’s genteel gentility, I have no problem saying Granny Rictus McBotox’s comment is lunatic mean spirited attack politics.
The botox only serves to hide the fact that she really does have bat shit crazy eyes.
bh
you didn’t put a Trigger Warning(tm) on that for JD?!
“The botox only serves to hide the fact that she really does have bat shit crazy eyes.”
If someone slapped Nancy hard in the face early on at a cocktail party, then departed at her husband’s insistence, only to return later in the evening to physically loom over her, holding a vaunting posture, so to speak, do we think her husband might get a tiny bit upset?
Anyone else get the “authorities discovered hundreds and hundreds of cats” vibe off her?
cat urine gal
– With her they wouldn’t be starving and underfed, the cat’s would all be dead.
bh
actually, Nan looks less the cat lady and more the pack of floofy, yappy little dogs with bling collars and matching manicures.
proggs like to piss on everything amerikkkan
What is she on? And has the string finally been snapped?
I like to keep him on his toes, Darleen. For instance, I have a photo of a large, crazy clown juggling three naked midgets that might be hiding behind any one of my links.
nan pelosi: woman’s grifter to the world
You know that Jeff has demanded you stop posting here don’t you meya? Of course you do. But because you are a parasite, you could care less what Jeff asks of you.
tell that to the orthodox christians at st. nicks troll
– Ok. First he’s against the Mosque, and now he’s talking out against the anchor baby law.
– Someone must have slipped into Reid’s bedroom last week and install a working brain.
– Even so, it won’t save him his congress seat or money on his auto insurance.
mo atta?
You know that some of this dude’s congregants died on 9/11. Maybe you know that this is not a new thing for a Sufi: to know or be a victim of extremist intolerance, right?
Except that you’re the fringe here. Or are you incapable of reading polls?
“There was a time when the KKK marched against building a Catholic church in my town.”
Yes, aside from brown people and Joooos, the Democrat founded and sustained KKK tends not to like Catholics, so your claim is believable.
“Fascism. What do fascists do? Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists’ nation and who refuse to assimilate. Fascist governments do not offer freedom of religion, they decide who and where comunity centers and places of worship can be built.”
Interestingly enough, those are the ideal tenets of Islam, nice of you to point it out.
“FYI…. Ted Olsen, lawyer for Bush in Bush v. Gore, whose wife was killed on a hijacked plane on 9/11, supports religious freedom, the Constitution, and the rights to build the proposed Mosque in NYC.”
FYI…Harry Reid and Howard Dean, by your twisted “logic”, apparently do not support religious freedom, as they have come out against the mosque, which, by the way, no one has a “right” to build. I know the Constitution is really an alien concept to you, TD, but where one can put a religious edifice isn’t included, only that one may practice whatever faith they choose, not wherever they choose.
FYI….
Ted Olsen, lawyer for Bush in Bush v. Gore, whose wife was killed on a hijacked plane on 9/11, everyone here supports religious freedom, the Constitution, and the rights to build the proposed Mosque in NYC.Just trying to help, on account of how stupid you are.
Parasites aren’t social beings in any event, so it wouldn’t be surprising that meya has no understanding of social circumstances Abe.
Bad, bad html.
FYI….
Ted Olsen, lawyer for Bush in Bush v. Gore, whose wife was killed on a hijacked plane on 9/11,everyone here supports religious freedom, the Constitution, and the rights to build the proposed Mosque in NYC.Just trying to help, on account of how stupid you are.
They’re talking about “Ground Zero Mosque” because that’s what it is. Why do you wear your stupidity like a badge?
– “Is this a difficult conclusion for people? That Harry Reid and Howard Dean are quislings?”
– Can we take this as an open announcement that the Democratic party and its leadership has outlived it’s useful idiocy, and has now been cut free by the clan of the dirty hippies?
Maybe the Tick is an aspies sufferer? It just has no capacity for human emotional connection but has an ample desire for blood-sucking.
“I know the Constitution is really an alien concept to you, TD, but where one can put a religious edifice isn’t included, only that one may practice whatever faith they choose, not wherever they choose.”
The Constitution doesn’t even guarantee that you can practice you’re faith, only that you can believe in the practices of your faith. Dicentra could tell you about that. (No disrespect to her intended –I just can’t remember the Supreme Court case, and since it involves her church, I’m betting she can).
That would make sense, sdferr. I always just assumed the clock-watching whore detachment was the result of being paid to do this by some shadowy Soros organization. But mental problems are preferable to conspiratorial theorizing.
traitors to the “cause”.
the aerial photos are pam’s tits
What does Pam Geller have to do with the geographic reality of the location? I realize that the pathologies afflicting leftists include an ability to always rationalize their fringe status as being a message problem, but allow me to prevail on you to stop fucking a dead chicken.
– No, you don’t have to ask me for permission, just go ahead and say it if it’s true.
– Wait. the Little Marxist handbook cautions against taking any arguable position on anything, so you probably can’t do it.
– I guess you’re stuck then just staying in the vacuous, mendacious asshat role.
a rethuglican congress passed a fart and billy squirted sperm on it. oh happy days.
You probably shouldn’t fuck live chickens either, but I don’t want to be overly judgmental.
Because it beats following Pam Geller’s branding
I bet the vast majority of the 70% sane, reasonable and respectful Americans who understand at mosque in the footprint of Ground Zero is as wise as a Bushido Temple next to the Arizona Memorial have never heard of Geller.
Strangely, there is nothing in RLUIPA that strips people of their First Amendment right to cry “foul” when someone wants to jump into the open grave and hump the casket.
– The Imam who is behind the whole “Mosque de Triumph” project announced today he will not talk to anyone about relocating and he will take money donations from Saudi Arabia and Iran if it’s needed to finance the build.
– The future for Obama’s Mosque looks dire.
yo its hamosque
Why must you bring up munging, Darleen. And why cannot meya/RD take a hint?
No one gives a tiny fuck what you think, RD. So take your Isro, your practiced scowl, and your mannered head cock back to whatever college AV club your lord over. That one chick with the clear braces would probably tug you a bit if you read her some DeLillo and gave her a couple glasses of red wine.
And it ain’t like she’s that ugly, right?
Mosquerade and the proponents are Mosqueteers. It’s a Mickey Mouse idea.
Jeff G – You should join me in having a conversation with William Yelverton.
Timothy McVeigh was neither right wing nor a Christian, you stupid son of a bitch.
why you so mean? I hope you are having a nice summer.
Come here and say that to my face …
too much stupid going on
Go find yourself and underage Russian hooker instead of spitting out your bile where you are not welcome.
Anyone else pretty much just feel sorry for thor?
He needs to get kicked in the teeth.
yes he needs a cupcake with sprinkles
Think of him as a small boy. I doubt becoming an embarrassing internet crank was one of his dreams. Yet, somehow, here he is, urinating on himself in public and screeching at the passersby.
In the words of a very wise man, “I pity the fool.”
B.A. Baracus
Hard not to feel sorry for a nobody who desperately acts out here to prove to the world that he exists. In some places people like thor have been known to light themselves on fire. Perhaps, in the spirit of multiculturalism, he’d be willing to join them.
Now that I would pay to watch.
Self-parody becomes thor quite appropriately.
Anyone else pretty much just feel sorry for thor?
Not really. Kind of hard for me to feel sorry for someone who brags about how many times he has been punched in the face. Revulsion, yeah. Pity, not so much.
he’s a nice guy and he’s smart too he just says mean stuff sometimes
a lot sometimes
That’s crazy talk, Crazy McCrazyton.
palin/tebow 2012
he got burrhog a monkey it was very touching and sometimes he just writes beautifully and says interesting things
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/08/stop-victory-mosque.html#readfurther
sometimes he just writes beautifully and says interesting things
You truly are a bizarre little person.
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow.
thor wasn’t always dark thor Mr. Froman it just sorta evolved
yes he needs a cupcake with sprinkles
ha haa haa …
Happy, you can have this soft spot for thorazine, but I think it’s misplaced. I don’t remember him ever writing beautifully. Jeff writes beautifully. Thorazine is a misogynist.
They said that about Mao as well, I think. The dark Mao period was when I stopped carrying his picture around though.
I didn’t like how he done Mr. Karl
Not to mention how many threads he just completely derailed. His smug attitude, yet he couldn’t bring a cogent argument. Vile, obscene.
I didn’t read all of his comments to be honest cause sometimes they just were kind of unpleasant
Did someone order a very small retard?
He has to use a new fake name even when admitting who he is. It really isn’t fair to humanity – this effort to convince us there are multiple people as stupid as he is in the world.
He’s a marvel, Abe. No one in the world quite like Willie.