July 22, 2010

a few quick thoughts on Sherrod, Breitbart, Ackerman, and race (which, sadly, means that we have to stop thinking about critiques on government spending forever! Or at least, for the few minutes it takes to read this post)

I’m going to quote something I wrote just after the Sherrod video was made public:

If she was taken out of context, then Breitbart is no better than, say, those who took Limbaugh, Bennett, et al., out of context to advance their own aims. Unless, of course, that is Breitbart’s (ironic) point, in which case, well, you be the judge.

If it’s the latter, this kind of tactic is dicey: if it teaches the left that the right is willing to play the game too, with the result being a kind of mutually assured destruction, we wind up with a form of stalemate, where everyone agrees to hold fire.

If on the other hand it simply means everyone is going to continue play this game (and let the chips fall where they may) it further destroys language — and plays right into the hands of the left, who promote the view of language that legitimizes such tactics to begin with.

That’s just in case people mistake where I stand.

— Not that most people care where I stand these days. But, you know, for the record.

I’ll add now that if Breitbart’s point was, as some have since argued (including I believe Andrew himself), to highlight the NAACP audience reaction at the outset of Ms Sherrod’s story (the pre- “redemption” set-up, as it were), the text accompanying the video needed to specify that rather than intimate that what we were about to watch, in its edited form, was a federal official admitting to racial bias as a function of her (then) current job. [update: Sherrod does, however, show partisan political bias, which is equally problematic coming from someone in her position.]

I agree in part with McGruder’s comment in an earlier thread: Breitbart oversold, and if not Breitbart specifically, whomever he hired to write his text.

Of course, what needs to be pointed out here is that both the White House and the NAACP are so aware of the power of the race-bait game they themselves marshal so effectively that they panicked and tried to get out in front of the charges with faux righteous indignation. They got burned because of it — and once again, their willingness to bury individuals for the “greater good” of the ideology was exposed. Too, Sherrod seems to be using up her public sympathy — and showing that her story of ideological redemption was all bunk — by accusing anyone and everyone who doesn’t agree with her of “racism,” a stance that, for me at least, exposes her as an unrepentant racist herself, the very kind who will call black conservatives Uncle Toms, etc., and who will happily work with whites provided they act contrite about being born racists as a condition of their color.

So I don’t think this story is going to hurt the “right” or the “Tea Party Movement” as much as some commentators here worry it will — though I don’t think as a strategy counting on the mind-boggling stupidity of your opponents at every turn is a good bet long term.

Beyond that, I don’t much understand the argument I keep seeing here that by discussing racial issues the right is “losing its focus.” I mean, it’s possible to talk about several things at once, is it not? — and the use of racial demagoguery as a weapon by the left has been a problem for the right for quite some time now. If the right can work to undermine that form of invidious and cynical (see Ackerman, et al) ad hominem attack, it should: and I’ve been an advocate of making race a big part of the discussion going forward for years now, precisely because I believe most Americans side with conservatives and classical liberals on racial issues, and are far more desirous of a color blind society than are those on the left, who, in the academic world, eg., openly dismiss the idea of color-blindness as a kind of racism itself, an argument I believe simply won’t resonate with an electoral majority once illuminated as such.

And exposing such thinking provides some context for many of the identity group policies and set-asides we see making their way into legislation: what is being pawned off on the voting public as a function of PC “fairness” can then be correctly matched with the ideological assumptions — specifically, that the idea of a color-blind nation is itself a racist notion, and that the only way to truly fight racism is by engaging in racial favoritism — that promote such legislation.

What was once a melting pot has been replaced with a putrid stew of conflicted racial sensibilities. While the majority of Americans wish to see “race” disappear as a factor in hiring, etc., they have been so infused with PC claptrap and historical guilt that they are, above all else, afraid to be seen as racist — a situation that, having been carefully conceived and nurtured by the left, is now routinely exploited as an easy way to silence critics by raising faux indignation at any thought, expressed or “coded,” that can even remotely be tethered to race. See, again, eg., Mr Ackerman — whose “hardcore punk” and comic book sensibilities have evidently taught him that all is fair in politics, that might makes right, and that being on the “good” side allows one to use tactics that would, in the hands of those less good than he and his private listserv coterie, be viewed as despicable and unseemly.

Because he’s a giant douche.

There are many more like him, too. And it does classical liberalism / conservatism no good to ignore a strategy that has kept those of us who advocate for equality of opportunity and individualism branded “racists” and marginalized from public discussion as fringe figures and pariahs.

There’s plenty of room for people like Ryan to speak to the American people about spending, and people like Breitbart to respond to issues of racial demagoguing like that trotted out by the NAACP.

We can take issue with his particular line of attack — as my earlier response suggests, I think such a tack plays in to the institutional “truths” about language the left would like us to accept, and so is a dangerous and counterproductive maneuver, if intentional (in the sense that Breitbart was trying to mislead about Sherrod, rather than simply mistaken) — but a misstep in addressing racial demagoguery is not a refutation of addressing racial demagoguery per se as a legitimate (and in my estimation necessary) line of ideological attack against a cynical, race-baiting left.

So long as we fear addressing issues our opponents “own”, we are sure to weaken ourselves, both ideologically AND politically. And while some argue that we can regain power by carefully side-stepping hot button issues, my contention is that such power regained is not truly power, because it relies on a willingness to play by the rules of those who have learned effectively to control us.

YMMV.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:09am
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Comments (642)

  1. There’s plenty of room for people like Ryan to speak to the American people about spending, and people like Breitbart to respond to issues of racial demagoguing like that trotted out by the NAACP.

    Big tent the dissent.

  2. I’ll add now that if Breitbart’s point was, as some have since argued (including I believe Andrew himself), the NAACP audience reaction, the text accompanying the video needed to specify that rather than intimate that what we were about to watch, in its edited form, was a federal official admitting to racial bias as a function of her current job.

    there you go. how hard would that have been? It would have been easy!

    Beyond that, I don’t much understand the argument I keep seeing here that by discussing racial issues the right is “losing its focus.” I mean, it’s possible to talk about several things at once, is it not? — and the use of racial demagoguery as a weapon by the left has been a problem for the right for quite some time now.

    Because when Team R talks about race we a lot end up with stupid. Like that racist letter the Tea Party Express douchebag posted. They suck at it because they have only the moist rudimentary language with which to speak about race. This is a feature not a bug because race is a cul de sac, yes? Yes.

    But my point isn’t that Team R can’t talk about race if they want to …. but specifically that the Tea Party shouldn’t let itself be dragged into that morass I don’t think. Which it has now accomplished in spades. Thanks, Andrew.

    If the Tea Party wants to be some white grievance group kvetching about reverse discriminations then I don’t really see the point of a Tea Party. The Tea Party is supposed to be about the spendings.

  3. hf, you keep conflating Andrew Breitbart with the Tea Party movement. You are striving mightily to do the work of the Left in that regard. Why?

  4. Tea Party is about more than spending. It’s about the size and scope of government. Naturally spending is a factor, but it is also – very importantly – and issue of federal government over-reach and intrusion. It is an agenda in natural opposition of NAACP.

    That is how this all fits together.

  5. Because when Team R talks about race we a lot end up with stupid. Like that racist letter the Tea Party Express douchebag posted. They suck at it because they have only the moist rudimentary language with which to speak about race. This is a feature not a bug because race is a cul de sac, yes? Yes.

    Hmm. Can’t risk individuals having individual opinions that others can then extrapolate out to several million individuals as a whole… Ooh, I know! Perhaps we need a private list to refine our racial talking points…

  6. If the Tea Party wants to be some white grievance group kvetching about reverse discriminations then I don’t really see the point of a Tea Party. The Tea Party is supposed to be about the spendings.

    One doesn’t have to be white to be against racial set-asides or identity group spending, which is the result of legislation that itself comes about because of certain beliefs about race.

    Having accepted the premise that to address such illiberal ideology marks you as a cranky white grievance group member, you are already owned by the left. You’re in for nothing but heartbreak from here on out.

  7. The Tea Party has no spokesman so when dishonest douchebags like Andrew arrogate the position to themselves, there’s no reason to think it won’t stick. Andrew explicitly framed his little media lynching stunt as a response to the bad-ass NAACP picking on the little Tea Party kids by the bike racks after school. There’s no way to unconflate Andy’s agitprop and the Tea Party anymore.

  8. With respect to JournList and Ackerman: if I were managing a media outlet I would want to know if anyone in my employ had been on this list and what they said. Why? Because Ackerman was more than willing to commit defamation of character, and any complainant could make the Sullivan standard if a charge of racism was laid against the complainant and it could be shown that the person making the charge knew it was false. Any who conspired to do that would expose themselves and their employers.

    This is very serious and this child did not understand or care if he understood what he was messing with. And it remains open to question whether any of the other JournoList members understood either.

    So if I were a politician or the management of a media company I would desperately want to see the contents of that JournoList.

  9. There’s no way to unconflate Andy’s agitprop and the Tea Party anymore.

    Sure there is. By noting that Andrew isn’t the Tea Party, and the Tea Party isn’t Andrew. See? I just did it!

    That, and Ms Sherrod is proving to be the very racial demagogue that Breitbart’s piece didn’t prove her to be. All by her own self!

  10. “….Ooh, I know! Perhaps we need a private list to refine our racial talking points…”

    – Sort of what you might call a ummmm…”RacioList”

    – No

  11. What’s that I smell on this thread? Ah, yes – defeatism.

  12. Sure there is. By noting that Andrew isn’t the Tea Party, and the Tea Party isn’t Andrew. See? I just did it!

    Andrew should stick with his own people.

  13. Hmm – perhaps the Washington Post isn’t commenting on JournoList because the Post’s lawyers told them to shut-up while they do an internal review. I know if I were running their legal department I would want to interview everyone on staff who was part of it and I would want to review every post and e-mail on that list to estimate potential liability exposure.

    Oh – and plan on a response to defamation lawsuits and the inevitable discovery requests.

  14. It’s always about money, ya’ll. [Applause and murmurs of agreement.] You know. I haven’t seen such a mean-spirited people as I’ve seen lately over this issue of health care. [Mumurs of agreement.] Some of the racism we thought was buried — [someone in the audience says, “It surfaced!”] Didn’t it surface? Now, we endured eight years of the Bushes and we didn’t do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black president. [Applause]

    Post. Racial.

    She’s like a beacon of hope or something.

  15. I don’t accept any premise except for the premise that if this doomed failshit dirty socialist country wants a discussion about race they will have one. While its debt approaches 100% of GDP and beyond and while its living standards fall and its future dims and our little boat struggles through the the warning waves they can yammer about race all they want.

    But it’s a very stupid idea.

  16. And that’s just wrong. Deconflating Andy and the Tea Party only further conflates them.

    The dirty socialists understand this very very well.

  17. - feets, you keep using certain phrases that suggest you think the Tea party ranks are totally lilly white.

    – It is not. In fact I myself was somewhat surprised at the cross section of people I’ve seen at rallies. It really is populated by a rich ethnic mix.

    – That very fact is at least one reason the Left is in such a panic. People of all walks of life and color are just sick and fucking tired of being called racist for political gain, and having their motives and idea’s impuned out of hand bu the Lefturds.

  18. Look, I’d love to avoid another conversation about race. But I’m racist because I don’t support Obama, or healthcare, and like the Tea Party. We could all simply try the “Fuck Off” approach to and and all accusers, but I don’t see that working too well.

    “The Tea Party is Racist”

    “Fuck off”

    “People resist Obama’s plans because they don’t want to see a black president succeed”

    “Fuck off”

  19. “Because when Team R talks about race we a lot end up with stupid. Like that racist letter the Tea Party Express douchebag posted.”

    So Mr. Happy, if the Republicans can’t talk about it and the Tea Party can’t talk about it then I guess I agree with Mikey. I smell defeatism. Perhaps one of the reasons the left has mastered it is because they do it so often and have learned how to do it. Should the right not even engage?

  20. Tea Party is about more than spending. It’s about the size and scope of government. Naturally spending is a factor, but it is also – very importantly – and issue of federal government over-reach and intrusion. It is an agenda in natural opposition of NAACP.

    That is how this all fits together.

    Carin Andy’s stunt did nothing whatsoever to further these ideas in fact his stunt obscured these ideas. He foregrounded reverse discriminations.

    He’s a big stupid.

  21. I like the fuck off approach if I get to choose.

  22. Having accepted the premise that to address such illiberal ideology marks you as a cranky white grievance group member, you are already owned by the left.

    Yup.

  23. Deconflating Andy and the Tea Party only further conflates them.

    You’re a jackass, hf. Denying it just makes you a bigger jackass.

  24. Should the right not even engage?

    Well have at it if you think that’s a priority but I would say you need to define victory before committing the troops.

  25. - You know how you defeat the bully feets. You get in his face and you call his bluff.

    – As long as you concede and tuck your tail between your legs you have a lot of years of foodless lunches to look forward too.

  26. oh. they have only the *most* rudimentary language

  27. Deconflating Andy and the Tea Party only further conflates them.

    That’s some nice defeatism you got there. I’ll pass on it, though.

  28. Instead of “Fuck off,” I think “That’s a lie and you’re a liar” would work as well.

  29. Give it up, christer racist cumsluts. Nothing you say or do is right.

  30. Andy’s stunt did nothing whatsoever to further these ideas in fact his stunt obscured these ideas

    His “stunt” didn’t. It wasn’t a stunt. It was a 17 paragraph article. There was a kerfuffle that surrounded the article.

    And, that he published the entire video, and that we’re having this national conversation about context – when such has NEVER happened before when someone’s been caught on tape – it’s evidence that people, including Breitbart, are interested ultimately in the truth.

  31. I forgot lifeydoodle. And cupcakes.

  32. Comment by happyfeet on 7/22 @ 10:57 am #

    Should the right not even engage?

    Well have at it if you think that’s a priority but I would say you need to define victory before committing the troops.

    A war is usually fought on multiple fronts. They obviously committed their troops. They seem to have defeated you quite easily.

  33. - Remember folks. There were some who cried “we’ll all be put to ruin or hanged if we go against the crown!”.

    – The Left counts of that sort of fear and intimidation. Take that away from them, and they’re fucked.

  34. think “That’s a lie and you’re a liar” would work as well.

    It doesn’t work. The Tea Party is racist meme has been around since it first began.

    I mean, you may as well just give up and let them call you whatever the fuck they want.

  35. this is what i am talking about

    How fucking gay is that on the international scale of gay?

    Hello?

  36. that’s Ricky Martin on a very special Blossom gay

  37. hello world here’s a song that we’re singin

  38. The problem is, “Fuck you” isn’t an argument either. I really don’t have the answer.

  39. It’s gay, happy, but diversity sells. You can’t have it both ways — unless your only goal is to bash the Tea Party movement, no matter what it does.

    This is a gay way of saying to the rest of America, “they keep calling us racist, but we’re actually quite diverse, in terms of breadth of hue.”

    Which is a backhanded slap at the idea of “diversity” as advocated by the diversophiles, who care more about rainbows than about diversity in thought.

    So bonus.

  40. Mr Ryan claims that we’ve come to a fork in the road in America: where heretofore we argued over means, while agreeing as to ends we’d mutually accept, we now argue over the ends of government as such.

    Where, in a juxtaposition someone posed some time back (was that yours Bob Reed?), George Washington could stand aside without choosing as his lieutenants fought partisan battles for succession and not worry who won, since he knew the two agreed as to the principles of the foundation of the country, we now have partisan battles asserting on the one hand the virtue of Classical liberalism and on the other the virtue of social democracy which rejects entirely the ends on which the country’s government were predicated.

    Can we use a racial argument to elucidate this struggle, to bring the questions into sharper focus?

  41. How fucking gay is that on the international scale of gay?

    Well, this is being planned in Philadelphia, right? And, not judging, but I think I saw more gays in that city than you’d find at a lady Ga Ga concert.

  42. ok but I don’t see why I’m defeatist for being depressed to see the Tea Party … however you want to say it… embrace this particular challenge

  43. Plus, I can’t wait to hear the leftists who can’t help themselves respond to such a summit with talk of “inauthentic” blacks and Hispanics and women. That’ll go over well with a population which feels it already proved itself by voting for Obama — a great historic and symbolic moment that proved to be a gigantic mistake, and a slap in the face to the very message his election was purporting to send.

  44. The problem is, “Fuck you” isn’t an argument either. I really don’t have the answer.

    So, you have two options. You either let them call you racists or you debate the issue.

    Allowing the lies to exist is a lower proposition. So they MUST be addressed, which (according to Happy) is a distraction.

    So. you know. Lose/lose, right?

  45. I am disagreeing with your take on this, haps, because you are allowing the left to define all of the terms of the game. You are agreeing with them that some groups of people have greater moral authority to speak on a subject than other groups of people – in fact you are agreeing with them that some groups are not permitted to speak on or even have an opinion on certain subjects.

    I cannot see how agreeing to that is a good thing or even a smart thing, giving freely to one side a monologue on a subject of importance to our nation. No good can come from such a surrender, and looking around and back over the past 30 years you can see that no good is exactly what we Americans got from such a surrender. I think you ought to reconsider your position here about surrendering certain topics to the left to be theirs solely.

  46. Can we use a racial argument to elucidate this struggle, to bring the questions into sharper focus?

    Of course we can. And I think the left will help, because their arguments about race will be quite clearly exposed.

  47. Ha. Sharrod says Mr Obama needs to get down with the struggle. Meet folks in her community.

    lolz!

  48. I would hope you realize that I don’t think letting calls of racism stand is a good idea, I just don’t know the most effective way to combat it.

  49. Aannnnnd another thread slides of the exquisite rails that Jeff HAD laid down for us.

    I’ll be back tomorrow and see what happens. Who knows, maybe we’ll get a thread to not end up looking like the beginning of a train attack scene in “Lawrence of Arabia”…

  50. no I am not agreeing to allow the left to define all of the terms of the game. I’m saying we should define the left’s charges of racisms as “pissing into the wind” while we try and turn this tugboat around for the American way before it goes over the falls.

  51. Yea, Cranky, I do. I just don’t get what Happy things we’re supposed to do.

    Ignoring it isn’t an option. Addressing it is a distraction.

    It’s kinda nonsensical.

  52. i do not understand how anything has gone off-topic Mr. LTC

  53. See, now this:

    Beyond that, I don’t much understand the argument I keep seeing here that by discussing racial issues the right is “losing its focus.” I mean, it’s possible to talk about several things at once, is it not? — and the use of racial demagoguery as a weapon by the left has been a problem for the right for quite some time now. If the right can work to undermine that form of invidious and cynical (see Ackerman, et al) ad hominem attack, it should

    Yes. right. I mean, Jeff already brought it up and I was nodding my head at that point reading the post.

  54. People are finally hip to the race game. On a broad scale.

    Spencer Ackerman should become the poster child for the end of racial divisiveness in the US: just keep repeating what he said and how he said it. That unbelievably atrocious cynicism exposes the racial lies of the left, who view race as important only as a weapon to beat back classical liberalism and build a client state around triangulating the votes of important identity groups (which their ideology builds and legitimizes).

    Or I suppose we could just cower and watch what we say. In case any old black dudes are around when we’re calling our dogs.

  55. Of course, while I typed my last comment, Jeff comes by and heaves the train back on the track… oy.

  56. I think we’re getting away from the idea that the Tea Party’s ideas and the issues that they address are transcendent and urgent. Which is unfortunate I think because the Tea Party’s ideas and the issues that they address are transcendent and urgent.

    “Engaging” on race tacitly concedes the urgency and the transcendenceyness I think.

    Can you say politics as usual boys and girls?

    I know you can.

  57. So let’s develop the thought. Standing with the classical liberals we argue for so-called color blindness as the aim of justice. This is opposed among the social democrats with color focus, or determinacy, however we should put it.

    Color blindness as the aim of justice, they say, is a ruse, constructed to deny the experience of race the racially conscious know in their bones is true: a play to keep the power that has always been designed to keep down the wrong colored man. (Hence the Mrs Sherrods with their knee-jerking cries of racist.)

  58. No, haps, you are permitting them to define the terms of the game. The left says that the right does not have the moral authority to speak about race. And you are saying the right ought not speak about race. You surrendered the entire field to the left, and now they can use that subject to bash you and the right on anything else – such as fiscal policy.

    “Cut spending? You want to hurt the poor, and you know who are poor? Minoroities are poor, you cost-cutting racist!”

    Agreeing with the left that the left can have a monologue on the subject of race permits the left to attack the right on every other subject. That is defeatism, and no good ever comes from that.

  59. All of the arguments being made on all sides of the race debate, big government debate, spending debate, and the “who shot John” debate are missing the macro picture.

    Our Government has shed its moorings and is now the largest corporation in the world. In the current socio-political environment, left and right are no longer operable; you either work for the Amalgamated American Socialist Corporation or you don’t. If you do, then you toe the company line on all of the company initiatives like pork, patronage, repairations, etc…. If you don’t work for the company and won’t toe the line, then you work for a competitor and must be stopped…hard.

    That’s why the J-list fags talked about putting people up against walls, not because they were wrong, but because they weren’t on THE TEAM. And its why a guy on the team can rape women and steal from orphans, he’s on THE TEAM. The team just wants to win, and when the team wins, all of the members of the team win.

    The left gets knocked for hating America, but they really don’t hate America, they hate the idea that some Americans will not collectively join the Amalgamated Socialist team. They insist on going their own way and thinking thoughts that are antithetical to Amalgamated Socialist’s stated goals of 100% market penetration.

    The people within the ranks of middle management all know what to say and do because its in the handbook thay get when they join the company in college or take an entry level position in the company itself. the people at the top levels.

    Republican and Democrat know that the most important thing is to increase control, because revenue is important, but control of the market means security for the officers and employees of the monopoly.

    Amalgamated has a Public relations arm, the media. It makes their articles make more sense when you know who they really work for. It has a president, Obama. It has a board of directors, the Senate. And a crapload of Vice Presidents, the congress.

    The company only has one function: Taking money from producers and distributing it to the employees and shareholders in Amalgamated Socialist’s far-flung ventures.

    Rush keeps harping on the “elites” that he percieves to be running the show, but it’s not a group of elites, it is a company.

    Man, this is one of those times when I wish I could write and assemble thoughts like Jeff, I could make this sing and maybe even snap a few of the company men back to reality. Make them see the totality of what the are doing before they wreck the country in their unquenchable desire for greater market-share.

  60. The left’s charge of racism had TRACTION. From Monday – quoted in long form:

    “I wouldn’t characterize the Tea Party as racist,” Biden said on ABC’s Sunday morning political show “This Week.” But “there are individuals who are either members of or on the periphery of some of their things, their — their protests — that have expressed really unfortunate comments.”
    Hmmm…I’m not sure what Biden means by “unfortunate comments.” Is he referring to reports by black legislators that Tea Party activists hurled racial epithets at them? Is he referring to the posters created by Tea Party members depicting President Obama as a jungle savage? How about Tea Party members’ persistent claims that Obama isn’t a U.S. citizen because they just can’t accept that a black guy with a funny name is running the country? If Biden is referring to any of these occurrences, it’s difficult to understand why he doubts the group is racist. In fact, the New York Daily News is informally polling readers about whether they believe racism’s to blame for the Tea Party’s attacks on Obama. As of July 18, an overwhelming 75% of respondents agree that racism is at play in the Tea Party’s disapproval of the president.

    I think the public has seen too many racist posters at Tea Party rallies to write off the group members who carry them as fringe participants. If these so-called fringe members feel comfortable showing up to gatherings with such signs and aren’t being reprimanded by others, it’s easy to see why the public would get the idea that the Tea Party is a hotbed of racism.

    Yea, let’s just ignore those charges because it’s a distraction.

  61. “On to Aquaba,” Colonel, it is somewhat remarkable that feets doesn’t get the point of the exercise, than again he’s totally ok with repeating the Journolist memes from nearly two years ago, and if you think they
    won’t cook up this same thing against Daniels, or Christie, or whoever,

  62. Didn’t we go down this defeatist road a few days ago? I seem to recall such, but perhaps my advanced age is playing me false.

    The right is going to be called racist as the left sees fit ANYWAY, so just get in their face and call bullshit, that it’s a tired meme that has lost potency—which, incidentally, is true.

    Keep your powder dry, pick your battles is fine, but at some point you have to translate the talk to the walk. Strikes me this is as good as any to start walking.

  63. I think we’re getting away from the idea that the Tea Party’s ideas and the issues that they address are transcendent and urgent.

    Sorry, I have a great deal of trouble taking such statements at face value from a guy who routinely uses “gay” and “cumslut” and “failshit” in conversation.

    It just doesn’t wash, hf. You are not helping. Any self-respecting opposition party would run screaming from the notion that they might someday be associated with you.

  64. #61 – at the height of the Battle of Basrah, when I was advising the Iraqi Army 14th Division, you have no idea how hard it was not to go out in front of a column that was rolling to the city and do the Auda abu Tayi lines “God, your agent… Basrah!” If I had a sword, I might have….

    Oh, and #59 is worth a post of its own, to explore that idea.

  65. we now have partisan battles asserting on the one hand the virtue of Classical liberalism and on the other the virtue of social democracy

    sdferr I see both those also as means. Means which by their very nature will lead to certain ends so I can see how they could be considered the ends but the real ends involve as always the fight between liberty and slavery. The left couches it in the terms of “social democracy” to conceal the ugly face beneath.

    This is a semantic quibble not a disagreement as to what end is desirable.

  66. Take any statement made, or action taken by a person of The Left, Inc., and view it through the prism of that individual being an employee or a contracter for The Left, Inc., and they all suddenly make sense.

    General Motors in its heyday had a rigid corporate structure similar to the left’s, and has been mocked for its rigidity and narrow mindedness in the face of a changing market by the same Left Inc. company men who now proscribe failed policies from the past to solve the problems of today.

  67. Say more geoffb, please. If you will, lay this thought out as starkly as you can, turning it about every which way.

  68. Just for the sake of those who might want it, a text of Mr Ryan’s address.

  69. You know about that film which the Sauds hate, because it points out they had near no role in the Arab Revolt, something confirmed Dowd’s otherwise sophomoric column, but the credits read, thanks to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

  70. You know how you defeat the bully feets.

    I’m not so sure he does.

  71. Does Ryan track your thought here geoffb?

    Those who wish to replace the principles that made America exceptional have posed their challenge on several fronts at once — economic, social, international, and even philosophical. All are interconnected, because the moral foundation that supports freedom in one area supports freedom in all. This is a mighty trial over the very meaning and dignity of the human person. In the political domain, the issue comes down to this: Is government to be master or servant?

  72. - Staying with Mr. W’s metephore of government as company. like any effectively run corporation, the Left seeks advantage, not equality, and they count on the cynicism and greed of people to accomplish that goal.

    – In their way, they are far greater “rasists”, if for no other reason, than the fact that they use faux racism to gain that advantage.

    – It only works if you capitulate and allow yourself to be counted as a part of their workforce, and therefore intimidated into silence, like feets seem’s to be willing to accept.

    – They’re not the boss of me or you. We pay their saleries, not the other way around. They work at our will’s, not the other way around.

  73. I’m not really hearing a lot of compelling arguments about race what the Tea Party going to add to the discussion.

    “We like black people look here some are”

    “We embrace people of different races and you know what we have a freaky big deficit”

    “Some people say we’re racists. Well we’re not. They just say that cause they’re big meaniefaces what don’t want to talk about the spendings like we do when we actually talk about the spendings instead of how we’re not racists but we only talk about how we’re not racists cause they’re big meaniefaces what don’t want to talk about the spendings like we do when we actually talk about the spendings.”

  74. what the Tea Party *is* going to add to the discussion I mean

  75. #71, yes it does. I have not had the time to watch the speech yet.

  76. #71. I vote “servant”.

  77. I’ve known not a few small business owners who have now and then expressed – and in a few cases pursued – the idea of stopping their own businesses, laying down the burden, so to speak, to join someone else’s business thus to become an employee who can do his work without worries.

    This, it seems to me, is a phenomenon to be found in the politics of self-government as well. Aristotle had other thoughts on this topic.

  78. Pikachu has a really thick skull, it’s a lie, you refute it, you don’t admit to it, god you would think
    a Texan would know this

  79. - sdferr, thats what I am implying every time I use the phrase “take the chocolate”.

    – Self detrmination is a sometimes rather daunting, lonely, and scarry thing, but the alternative is far far worse.

  80. ok so I’ll start

    we can find elderly black ladies what are bureaucrats and make dishonestly edited youtubes what make them look like whitey-hating racists

    we can find black teachers what will speak on behalf of school choice… we can get those from D.C. probably

    we can find minority businesspeople what are being suffercated by regulation – we can find those everywheres

    we can find laid off minority oil workers what bumblefuck kicked to the curb with his job-killing moratorium

    we can get unemployed minorities to talk about how they would like an opportunity to work at oil foelds in Utah Alaska and the Gulf

  81. oil *fields* in Utah Alaska and the Gulf

  82. “. . . the alternative is far far worse.”

    Not to say that I disagree as to this, but if as Mr Ryan puts our case (bolding mine, italics his):

    This nation, Lincoln explained, drew its very meaning from its foundation on the principles of liberty and equality…self-government and equal opportunity. These principles belong to all human beings by their nature. But no nation before the US ever actually based its government on these principles.

    one might with justice inquire, why so rare a thing if so much the better?

  83. the key thing is we don’t have to think in terms of demonstrating that minority people support the Tea Party… cause it’s irrelevant if minority people support the Tea people. We just need to show how dirty socialism ravages minority people same same as everyone else.

  84. no I am not agreeing to allow the left to define all of the terms of the game

    Yes you are, hf. By refusing to challenge the left’s false accusations of Tea Party racism, you are effectively endorsing their falsehoods. To paraphrase a line from Robert Bolt’s A Man for All Seasons, silence implies consent.

  85. By the way, as an aside and just out of curiosity, wasn’t the phrase “self determination” a distinctly Wilsonian phrase, one nowadays rued as having led inexorably to the state of Israel? Is it in any fundamental sense part and parcel of identity politics as such?

  86. I’m not really hearing a lot of compelling arguments about race what the Tea Party going to add to the discussion.

    Just because they aren’t compelling to you doesn’t make them not compelling. The Tea Partiers have been called un-American, uncivilized, domestic terrorists, racists, brown shirts, etc. To show that they are not such things — but are rather voters, businessmen and women, citizens, and that the are represented by those who fill out a whole slew of demographic box checks — seems to me a compelling rebuttal to the portrayal they have been receiving by the people in Congress against whom they are protesting.

    Again, YMMV. But the Tea Partiers aren’t un-American. They are America. And you are telling America to shut up, lest they fuck themselves more by complaining about the government that supposedly is of and by them.

  87. Do we want an entrepreneurial society that brings back prosperity in the 21st century…where individual merit and entrepreneurial activity define the American economy, or are we going to have more and more people dependent on the government for their livelihoods?

    Mr. LaRoche I think it’s key that we talk about people not races of people. And the way we do that is by doing it. Not by engaging in a discussion about races of people.

  88. one might with justice inquire, why so rare a thing if so much the better?

    Because people in power don’t like the idea of being voted out by people not in power.

    It is rare because not everyone agrees that checks on certain aspects of human nature are a good thing. Principally those who profit by leaving such things unchecked.

  89. #86 Jeff G.:

    I couldn’t agree more.

  90. Mr. LaRoche I think it’s key that we talk about people not races of people. And the way we do that is by doing it. Not by engaging in a discussion about races of people.

    Or by pointing out that those who govern us are interested ONLY in races of people, and so they call those uninterested “racists.”

    Answer the charge. Talking about race doesn’t mean you are talking about races of people. You can talk about race to dismiss the very concept as something that has political importance nowhere outside of its own self-referential repetition.

  91. I didn’t tell the Tea Party to shut up I told them not to have a gay conversation about race just to have it and I told them that they need to distance themselves from Andrew Breitbart’s mean-spirited dishonesty.

  92. “one might with justice inquire, why so rare a thing if so much the better?”

    – Think Darwins rules of survival of the fittest. Better the devil you know than the one you don’t.

    – Man has to be taught the idea’s of Liberty, they are not natural in our environment. That takes principled actons, motivation, incentives, education, and mutual trust.

    – All the institutions of a Democratic society the Left strives to systematically destroy. For good reason, given the ends they seek. Individuality and self determination are the sworn enemies of the statist.

  93. I also offered helpful suggestions how the Tea Party can engage on race without getting all gay about it.

  94. Nobody gives a rat’s ass about whether you think any conversation is “gay” or not, happy.

  95. we can find black teachers what will speak on behalf of school choice… we can get those from D.C. probably

    we can find minority businesspeople what are being suffercated by regulation – we can find those everywheres

    we can find laid off minority oil workers what bumblefuck kicked to the curb with his job-killing moratorium

    we can get unemployed minorities to talk about how they would like an opportunity to work at oil foelds in Utah Alaska and the Gulf

    This is pretty lame, IMO. Why do we need to seek out minorities, in particular, to do the talking?

    hf is proposing an affirmative-action program to inform people of how affirmative-action the Tea Party is.

  96. Great post, Jeff.

    This is making for some interesting reading while I sit in Busch Stadium watching Wainright and Hamels in what should be a good game.

  97. There’s a big Uncle Tom Mart somewhere now? Are there multiple locations?

  98. I’m not saying we have to focus on them just fold them into the discussion. I think it’s a better idea than youtube lynchings of uppity black bitches.

  99. Mr. Slart the key message on race for the tea party should be that dirty socialism is bad for everybody including minority peoples I think.

  100. al we don’t have to recruit anybody we just have to acknowledge they exist – all these people are out there – how many African Americans were laid off cause of the maratorium? Why not find out and put that number out there? How many people could’ve been employed in the Utah oil fields and ancillary industries? How many of those could’ve been minorities if the worker profile there looked the same as it does elsewhere?

  101. *moratorium* I mean

  102. Great post Jeff G.
    I haven’t time to read all the comments or join in the discussion right now, but will be sure to do so later.

  103. Honestly, a lot of the black folks I’ve known just need to HEAR the message of the Tea Party to become supporters. I’ll say it. I think many blacks are victims of their politicians who LIE to them. The people who go out and say “i’m representing YOU”, who then in turn are really only representing their own bank account.

    Perhaps I’m jaded by Detroit politics.

    But, lots of black folks are pretty good classical liberals. They don’t realize that they’re republicans- because the MSM and what not (NAACP, rappers) are always telling them the opposite. Those not on welfare are not all hip to those social programs.

  104. Not one single solitary person got lynched. And the more she talks, the more apparent that she is a race-baiting hoochie.

  105. but that’s only if you think the Tea Party for reals has to have a message on race… I think they can just talk about Tea Party Issues and let the chips fall where they may… it’s not my fault they’re proving very thin-skinned about the charges of racisms

  106. Shirley was down for the struggle. She’s not one of them I’m talking about.

  107. Andy tried like hell to beat that uppity black cunt into submission I think.

  108. The tea party doesn’t have to have a message on race. Or gender. or sexual politics.

    It merely must address false accusations.

    The message of the Tea Party is color blind. It does require a bit of knowledge of history. Those educated in the progressive model are prolly not gonna get it.

  109. I think Shirley is going to come out just fine.

  110. And, the use of the word “uppity”, Happy. Well, it’s code, you know.

  111. Andy tried like hell to beat that uppity black cunt into submission I think

    You’d only think that if your thinking skills were seriously diminished.

    And really: “uppity black cunt”? What kind of halfwit bumblefuck failshit kind of guy are you?

  112. I don’t think you can understate the extent to which Breitbart’s stunt will have alienated black people from the Tea Party once it becomes part of the Narrative.

  113. Sorry, but either happyfeet is trolling us, or he’s unworthy of any of our attention.

    Y’all are free to fool around with him as you please, but I don’t think it’s going to do any good.

  114. Slart I’m the kind of halfwit bumblefuck failshit what doesn’t try and humiliate an obscure black lady at the USDA for to score poltical points.

  115. *political* points I men

  116. *mean*

  117. Can someone point me to trollhammer? Because I think I’m going to give it a whirl.

  118. happy, both commercials that BP is running on the telly have black spokesmen. One black man is in charge of getting people paid, and the other is in charge of the clean up. Black men who were both raised in Louisiana.

    I can just hear Jesse Jackson talk about that commercial, “Sssshhhhh – here comes one of those Kunta Kinte commercials.”

    No one can run the race gauntlet. I hate to talk about alppuccino, because it’s like drawing a cartoon of Mohammud. But alppuccino said that when Obama was elected, the NAACP was going to be pissed because a color people would have advanced to the highest level, and therefore obsolete NAACP.

    Well, here we are. Poor black president. Singing Hey Jude. Having to look busy when people walk past the oil spill. Heavy is the crown. Poor black president.

    Race relations are back to the 1850’s, and if squint your eyes and look really hard to the east, you can just make out NAACP’s boner.

  119. So, the triumph of the alternatives in government (which are here acknowledged as the worse alternatives) seem to me to be predicated on 1) power analysis, 2) Darwinian human nature, 3) general lack of exquisite instruction in conventionally constructed elaborations of liberty, and 4) whatever that last is. Some of these seem to conflict with some others.

    Mr Ryan goes a bit hyperbolic, I think, claiming that the disappearance of the thus far unique American scheme of Classical liberalism at this juncture is the disappearance of that scheme for good and all, forever, that is. I’m not so sure of the soundness of this proposition myself, but let me take it for granted for now.

    In the event, the only preservation of that scheme seems to be the reiteration of the scheme itself and the practical embodiment of it in our mundane governance and life. Folding into this reiteration of course, we assume we’ll find explanations of every aspect of human flourishing, as Mr Ryan puts it. And under that overarching umbrella, explanations of better race relations, preserving the concept of race, a “discovery” of the 19th century? So be it then.

  120. Yea. I think I have to let this one go. But I just want you to never forget that I vigorously disagree with you on this, haps. Just ’cause i don’t respond, I’m either practicing restraint or at the gym.

    Prolly at the gym option, because I (obviously) suck at the restraint.

  121. That is really easy to address – simply do not allow it to become part of the narrative. But you have already conceded that. Not only conceded it, but now you are promoting it for them.

  122. well then fine, al – the Tea Party should not try and demonstrate how dirty socialisms adversely affect minorities in response to charges of racism – it was a stupid idea – they should have a Unity TEA party instead where they bring black people up on stage in front of the cameras and feel the moment.

  123. JD there’s no sweeping Shirley under the rug – and the Tea Party will be held accountable for it because Andrew did what he did in the Tea Party’s name. In response to charges of racism he tried to show that hey no actually black people are inherently racially oppressive tyrants too and he kinda failed to put that across.

  124. Well happy, here’s an even stupider idea: Have the NAACP parade some of their riggers who are being hurt by the moratorium.

    I said riggers.

  125. And if I recall, someone — who shall remain obvious — also advised us to refrain from commenting on the Arizona immigration situation for fear of alienating (ha!) the Latino community.

  126. Tai I said the Tea Party should not get distracted by the immigrations… and they’ve done a fairly good job steering clear of that so far I think.

  127. For the record, that is spot on analysis Jeff. You may be the prophet crying in the wilderness, but at least those of us here heard it.

    I do not believe Breitbart did this intentionally (in misrepresenting Sherrod), I think he got burned, not realizing there was more to the speech. But hey, it is his job to follow up on this stuff. What is interesting is Sherrod did not point this out immediately. She certainly knew what happened. What is up with that?

  128. well then fine, al – the Tea Party should not try and demonstrate how dirty socialisms adversely affect minorities in response to charges of racism – it was a stupid idea – they should have a Unity TEA party instead where they bring black people up on stage in front of the cameras and feel the moment.

    Because they can’t do both simultaneously. You have to be slick to pull that off. Clever. Educated. Nuanced.

    If only they were leftists, we’d get just the right message from them. That is, if only the right was made up of the kind of people from the left, all would be well with the world!

  129. This thread needs a health dose of Don Rickles.

  130. y

  131. And Team R generally shouldn’t get distracted by the immigrationings either I don’t think – because if that’s what they think they won a mandate for then, well, we already know Team R has a problem with the spendings.

  132. feets, the truth is we will have that dialog because of the very nature of the real basis for so many of the problems the Lefts reverse discrimination identity victimhood politics have got us to.

    – The Lefy and the Democratic party are now in a position of handing out sheet music to the 4 piece band on the poop deck of the Titanic.

    – Lets review:

    1) 7 Trillion and growing deficit. Check.

    2) Economy sliding further and further into recession. Check.

    3) Unemployment nationwide topping 11-12%, 15% in some area’s. Check.

    4) Still mired in Iraq and Afghanistan. Check.

    5) Job losses increasing by the day, and entire industries fleeing the country. Check.

    6) This administration doing things that kill any chance at recovery. Check.

    7) The Fed ignoring racism against whites. Check.

    8) Obamacare. New taxes, Forced participation. The Medical industry already starting to do things that will destroy what we have. Check.

    9) The wishes of the majority of American’s ignored and states being attacked for doing the job the government is elected to do, but refuses.. Check.

    10) A homogenous movement in the electorate all actoss the country to take back America. Check.

    – All of this taken together, I don’t think calling people racist is going to save the boat. They have a PR problem worse than Bin Laden.

  133. Sherrod also said that Breitbart had not apologized to her.

    “I don’t think I would ever receive an apology,” she said.*

  134. Slart – you may just end up having to do what I did with “thor” – as you see that heading a comment…scroll on by.

  135. hmmm. I think I’ll go back to the position that the Tea Party really doesn’t need to engage on race cause of race is tangential to Tea Party Issues. The Tea Party really doesn’t seem to know what or how it wants to engage on race – they just want to be seen engaging on race cause the charges of racisms sting and sting.

  136. what Jeff said.
    In real investigative reporting, there is something called “the two-bullet story,” the implication being that some targets are so litigious and prepared to fight back (usually because they have something to hide) that unless you find the perfect amount of evidence and present it just so, youre going to miss when you shoot at them. Then, of course, the last bullet is for you to kill yourself with.

    Race “gotcha” is a two-bullet story. You’d better do a lot, lot better than making a salami-slice thin argument per Breitbart if youre going to make a lasting point in that trench.

    Like it or not, she’s a victim now, the NAACP is off their back and Breitbart is playing defense.

    Intentions matter aught.

    Breitbart failed.

  137. ..and then the Chinese waiter says “Yoo bin hee fo owah. Yoo reave!”

  138. Because he’s a giant douche.

    Eh, he’s really more of a tepid, bantamweight douche. Which makes his expression of a politically-motivated violence fantasy – with the convenient rhetorical! disclaimer – really fucking funny.

  139. “the charges of racisms sting and sting.”

    sarcasm noted.

  140. It does not speak well of Andrew that he hasn’t very publicly corrected the text about whose employ she was under when she committed the racisms that the folks at the NAACP were regaled with tales of.

  141. “It’s because I’m black, isn’t it?”

    Charges of racism is annoying.

    Soap in you wiener hole stings.

  142. r

  143. yes I was being sarcastical but also I feel people are being very attacky and I really don’t know what I’ve said what is so crazy. Mostly I have two things to say. 1.) Andrew was a big jerkface what he did to that woman. 2.) I don’t think the Tea Party needs to get involved in a discussion of race. Now many of y’all do. But “they called us names” is not a very strategical rationale for embracing a non-core issue I don’t think.

    sdferr asked at #40

    Can we use a racial argument to elucidate this struggle, to bring the questions into sharper focus?

    I say good luck with that and nobody has made a very compelling case in the affirmative yet I don’t think and when I tried I was cruelly mocked.

  144. You can fit a bar of soap in your weiner hole?!

  145. Re: #67,

    On the left we see a number of groups, each pursuing, for their base, certain ends. Ends which seem to be desirable for all. Take the environmentalists, the “greens”. They profess as the goal, the end sought by them, a clean Earth. Clean air, clean water, who could object to that?

    Then comes the trick. The means proposed to obtain that desirable end is always one which entails another end. One which is not mentioned as such. Every end, by every group, is channeled so that they see, believe, that the only means to obtain their desirable end is one which has a hidden end that it will also lead inevitably to a totalizing government.

    Getting people to recognize that there is a hidden end, one which will destroy not only the desirable end they seek but much more is the battle. This must be pressed to where the choices become between the real ends and not those false ones that we always seem to have presented as our choices.

  146. 1.) Andrew was a big jerkface what he did to that woman.

    Gotta correct you happy “black woman”. Because the repeated printing of inaccurate stories about a white woman buying a Down’s Syndrome baby as a hip-ornament for campaign heft is perfectly fine.

  147. “You can fit a bar of soap in your weiner hole?!”

    Ow my sides are hurting bastard

  148. You can fit a bar of soap in your weiner hole?

    Sideways. Dove Family Size.

  149. No shelves in my shower.

  150. “Getting people to recognize that there is a hidden end, one which will destroy not only the desirable end they seek but much more is the battle. This must be pressed to where the choices become between the real ends and not those false ones that we always seem to have presented as our choices.”

    If we take as a given (granted, a dubious presumption, but hey, we’re among friends) that this end — power — is the end of every and all governmental schemes save one, according to our account of the exceptional American scheme, this should not be a difficult job to undertake, at least from the position of having no dearth of examples to present to the view of the target audience, right? Just all of fucking human history.

  151. #142 to quote Springsteen

    ‘You end up like a dog that’s been beat to much, till you spend half your life just covering up.’

    You want to spend your life in duck and cover mode, that’s fine, just don’t expect anyone else to play along.

  152. “You can fit a bar of soap in your weiner hole?!”

    – Its called the Progressive “Caress”.

  153. Sorry, sdferr.

    I never imagine that I would ever string together that combination of words.

  154. “No shelves in my shower.”

    – That could “entail” a lot of bending over al.

  155. That could “entail” a lot of bending over al.

    And now we’ve come full circle.

    You’re welcome.

  156. Hard to teach history to those who cannot even read.

    Then there are always not a few who see in the autocracy advantage for themselves, even if said advantage is simply an illusion. Which is mostly the case for all except the more intelligent thugs.

  157. Due not solely to the refrain, this seems like it may ought to go here. I confess to a fondness for the underlying tune.

  158. A federal appeals panel in New Orleans has refused to order the judge who is presiding over many of the Deepwater Horizon liability cases to recuse himself, even though the judge previously owned bonds issued by two of the companies involved.*

  159. - Soapist!

  160. “A federal appeals panel….”

    – America 3, Bumbblefuck 0

  161. well more it’s the ridiculous slant I was looking at cause there’s no precedent for recusal based on previous bond ownership

  162. TrollHammer. You’ll need to install Greasemonkey first. Firefox only.

  163. Another thing that Mr Ryan said (bored with him yet?), that bears repeating again and again I think, the italics are his, the bolding mine:

    The bar for constitutional self-government is high. Government by consent is government in freedom, yet it demands more from citizens in moral principle and love of country, in political understanding and civic compassion than any other type of government.

  164. The “full” video from the NAACP is still pretty damning.

    The quotation marks reflect a little jump in the video after 21:00 – it’s been edited.

  165. Firefox only.

    Crap. They won’t let us have FireFox here.

    Maybe at home. Or maybe I’ll just have to endure the psychotic bleatings.

  166. I don’t think Mr. Breitbart’s attack on Shirley evinced any of those things Mr. sdferr but civic compassion least of all.

  167. It wouldn’t be so bad if the psychotic bleater would learn to read.

  168. Anyway, thanks, Cranky-d.

  169. I will try to be better Mr. Slart.

  170. - I’ll give her all the civic compassion she can handle just as soon as she stops making speeches laced with racist statement against white America.

  171. And they have not ruled out pushing for a more comprehensive bill during the session Congress will have after the November election.*

  172. - A whole new class of pajama Legislators, ousted congress critters, working from the comfort of their own homes.

  173. I’m inclined to want to believe that with patience Mrs Sherrod can be persuaded away from her knee-jerk disposition to call racist against white folk at the drop of a hat. Or at the least, failing success, that the effort to persuade is good in itself as being a concomitant to citizenship.

  174. I imagine she’s kinda angry. Someone should take her some baked goods. Or at least apologize.

  175. - Its telling she’s not nearly so angry with her “own kind”, and the people that rushed to abandon her and fire her.

  176. “Its telling she’s not nearly so angry with her “own kind”, and the people that rushed to abandon her and fire her.”

    It is BBH. I wonder whether that isn’t an indication of a human sort of thing — namely, that to place the full burden of the harm these people, the NAACP, the Obama administration, have done her upon them may entail a reexamination of the whole scheme of the world under which Mrs Sherrod has operated up til now. That sort of disillusionment doesn’t come readily for most people, and in any event can take some time to absorb and adjust one’s life to. So we may see better from her in future.

  177. #175 – That’s politics Uber Alles, hallmark of the left.

  178. Watch of sdferr, your Christianity is showing…

  179. - There’s a major CEO sitting in with Neil right now on Fox, calmly explaining how American corporations are sitting on 2 trillion afraid to invest because of Bumbblefucks actions, unfriendliness toward business, and uncertainty of what he’ll do in the future.

  180. “Watch of sdferr, your Christianity is showing…”

    Huh?

  181. 180 – just noting your belief in the power of growth and redemption, sorry if I offended.

  182. Partly my query was about the “of”, partly from my apprehension that what remains peculiar to Christian faith is an acceptance that Christ Jesus is God and that it is in his name that one receives salvation. I just wasn’t seeing that last bit in my belief that Mrs Sherrod might change, in any case a thing fraught (despite her own evident Christian background) with much doubt.

  183. Brietbart’s point was that the NAACP audience did not get the vapors after Shirley revealed her racism. Silence (mostly) again means approval or agreement, and the few words heard on the tape were actually encouraging Shirley to continue the practice.

    Only the administration, the left (but I repeat myself), and those who cannot read Breitbart’s post with the video, think that this was supposed to be about Shirley.

  184. Apropo of nothing at all, one of the neat things about this blog (aside from the quality posters) is the poster’s name at the top of the comment. Makes scrolling over much easier.

    And as another aside, you people make me feel somewhat inadequate in terms of intellectual chops,excepting a certain few. Still, it’s nice to read and occasionally post.

    You may now either acknowledge or deride.

  185. Brietbart’s point was that the NAACP audience did not get the vapors after Shirley revealed her racism

    that was not his point as was made clear by the text in the video I think…. that’s his very weak point ex-post facto… the idea that we should be validating this sort of audience reaction gotcha game is really a head scratcher

  186. 182 – My own take on Sherrod, from what I have seen of her (the ‘full’ tape, and her subsequent pronouncements), does not leave me with the same high hopes as you expressed. Frankly I had already written her off, particularly due to her follow up actions. In this sense I think your wishes are more in line with Christ’s teachings, and my own thoughts more of a failing to abide by such.

  187. irongrampa at #162 you can get trollhammer which will make people you don’t want to read disappear forever and ever

  188. I differentiated a proposition too far then ThomasD, so my apologies. For it is certain that one can agree with a teaching taken in isolation and not be impelled to agreement with the whole.

  189. Just encountered at the BigGov website under Publius‘s nom-de-blog, don’t know if it had be mentioned before:

    Correction: While Ms. Sherrod did discuss withholding help from a white farmer, it was not during her tenure with the USDA

    Oh, here it is again under Breitbart himself.

  190. here is what Mr. Jeff said about the audience reaction thing

    I’ll add now that if Breitbart’s point was, as some have since argued (including I believe Andrew himself), the NAACP audience reaction at the outset of Ms Sherrod’s story (the pre-”redemption” set-up, as it were), the text accompanying the video needed to specify that rather than intimate that what we were about to watch, in its edited form, was a federal official admitting to racial bias as a function of her (then) current job.

  191. For a guy with no compunction whatsoever about obscenely lambasting everything under the sun that so much as leans left in the loudest and most offensive prose imaginable, ‘feets sure agonizes buckets over how some other teabagger sounds in public when exposing, well, the left’s most sacred and effective tenets, as logically empty and profoundly dishonest as they are.

    Why is that?

  192. I do not see how that can be a head-scratcher. The NAACP just recently passed a much publicized resolution calling on the TeaParty to police their own for the racisms. And they are not doing so in their own house.

    Hamels was magnificent today. He faced the minimum, 24, through 8. Pity he will not get a decision. Extra innings.

  193. If I can help one person avoid unnecessary pain, I’ve done something, Slart. In the mean time, I’ve also learned to cultivate the quick read of the name and then skip the post when it’s someone I’m not ready to hammer yet.

  194. - Tell you what feets. Lets wait a few days and see if the Tea Party is harmed in some way by this.

    – I still think the whole thing was a win-win especially by the actions, and continued inactions of Bumbblefuck, at least publicly, becaus I can assure you he’s talked with her. The public won’t know about that until some pissed off insider leaks it, but he has.

  195. Just so you all know, my last bit of income, Google Ads, is going to cancel my account. Because of “posts like this one: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=5479

    Supposedly contains adult content. Which I guess is the mention of a strip club, though there is no strip club being advertised. They don’t tell me what the specific complaint is, nor how to fix it. Just that I have 3 days to fix what I don’t know is in need of fixing.

    At that point, I think it’s just best to say fuck it to the internet once and for all.

  196. I think JD that part of the reason it’s a headscratcher is the first lining of Breitbart’s original post: “In this piece you will see video evidence of racism coming from a federal appointee and NAACP award recipient . . .”, which is self-evidently “about” Mrs Sherrod. Without her, what have we got? Yet the shift to erase her seems to come only after the “fuller” context of her remarks was made public. So at the least, we wonder. The “it isn’t about Shirley” sounds an awful lot like backfill.

  197. As long as people are worrying about what I think, my work here is done.

  198. I don’t think that’s the sort of correction we are very much inclined to credit when it’s the dirty socialist media what is correcting the record such that the correction invalidates the entire premise of the original story.

    I think it’s a head-scratcher cause the Tea Party understands what it’s like to be adjudged by your audience – it’s practically an invitation to plant people into crowds too provide an embarrassing reaction.

    And there’s all sorts of problems interpreting the intent of the audience reaction besides… she had signaled very clearly that the white guy in question was one of those pompous superior ones… but she had also signaled that this story wasn’t going to end in a validation of discriminating against white people I think. It was safe to chuckle I think, and it certainly goes no distance at all in expiating the Tea Party of the phony racisms of which it stands accused.

  199. *to* provide an embarrassing reaction.

  200. Given Sherrod’s latest actions, especially her willingness to impugn racism as the motive for just about anything, I can only conclude that her redemption story was more fiction than fact; an attempt to grasp the brass ring of moral superiority in order to buttress her otherwise class warfare based rhetoric.

  201. Good to see you back, Jeff, and I hope you and yours are well. But the Internet is a shit place to make a living. Ask me how I know.

  202. it must be the spam content Jeff

  203. Does happyfeet ever have a point or is he Lt. Jo Galloway from “A Few Good Men”? (She has no point. She often has no point. It’s part of her charm.)

    Seriously, everything Republicans, Conservatives, or Tea Partiers do is wrong, involves the terms “cumslut” or “Boehnerfag”, or is “gay”. Why does anyone pay any attention to him/her?

  204. ‘feets, is Brietbart responsible for the beltway moron’s reaction to what he did?

  205. Now that I understand, sdferr, and it is something that I have said all along he should have corrected quickly, and very publicly.

  206. He’s the resident cupcake.

  207. Jeff, delete the spam religiously.

  208. Gee, I thought that the text in the video was to help with the poor audio I’ve heard on my cheap headphones. Not to mention a hearing impairment in addition to that.

    The title of the post says nothing about Shirley, and clearly mentions the NAACP. That’s also in the URL for the post. But NO, it’s still about Shirley.

    HF, were you now or have you ever been on Journolist?? You have their talking points on the money.

  209. If the tea party does not address the charges that it is a racist organization then it’s message is only going to be heard in an increasingly smaller echo chamber. The racist charge is used to dissuade people from listening to the smaller government message at all. People do not want to be associated with racist organizations, and they will believe that the tea party is racist unless the charges are refuted convincingly. It isn’t the way the world should work, but you shouldn’t try to deny that it is the way it currently works.

  210. Lets wait a few days and see if the Tea Party is harmed in some way by this.

    ‘feets, is Breitbart responsible for the beltway moron’s reaction to what he did?

    I think the Tea Party will be associated with race and racisms more not less in the future because of Mr. Breitbart. I think the brand has been given an indelible patina of racial racialness whatever you want to say about it. And I think Breitbart owes Shirley an apology.

  211. JHO —

    I dont’ know when it comes in. That post is years old.

  212. When Spencer Ackerman’s urging of blatantly false charges of racism gets as much play as Sherrod’d claims of being misinterpreted then we will have made some progress. Until then any lefty who wants to bitch about Breitbart gets a big fat Journolist upside the head.

  213. Spencer Ackerman’s blatant false charges of racism can’t be answered with blatant misrepresentation of Shirleys.

  214. “That post is years old.”

    – Something going on here that has nothing to do with the post or its contents.

  215. I think the Tea Party will be associated with race and racisms more not less in the future because of Mr. Breitbart. I think the brand has been given an indelible patina of racial racialness whatever you want to say about it. And I think Breitbart owes Shirley an apology.

    Nonsense.

  216. Here’s the thing.

    I’ve seen the video, we’ve all had a chance to see the video. I still think she’s a racist. I also think the audience’s early reactions betrayed their racism.

    You can disagree, but then it is a matter for argument. And displaying the charges, and any related evidence is about the only way to resolve the argument

    Nobody is arguing about Ackerman’s statement, or that it was urging willful and baseless accusations.

    That you fail to see the difference is also quite apparently willful.

  217. I dont’ know when it comes in. That post is years old.

    Unfortunately Google are jackasses about it nonetheless.

  218. In Sherrod’s world, no one is allowed to object to a significant Obama-supported policy change impacting the healthcare of all Americans without being labeled a racist. Clearly Sherrod sees everything through the lens of color or race. If her view is not racist, it is supremely ignorant and unfit for a public official. It is meant to marginalize any and all legitimate opposition to a political act. Sherrod is merely projecting her own racism into a perfectly rational, legitimate political debate so as to avoid it. That is not democracy; it is race-based demagogy commonly employed by racists everywhere. And still she was not done.

    During the Bush years, says Sherrod, “We didn’t do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President.” Gone is any valid argument over actual policy, fiscal restraint, government growth, or control of healthcare—supported or opposed by entire national political parties. In Sherrod’s world, everything is all and only about race. If that isn’t a tenet of racism, then what is? Without ignorant race-based presumptions, otherwise known as racism, Sherrod’s entire scope of political argument falls apart.

    Atty. Gen. Eric Holder said America is a nation of cowards on matters of race. He was correct, but in a manner he likely didn’t predict. The racism Breitbart revealed is the racism of the Shirley Sherrods of the progressive-leftist Democratic Party and the NAACP. Afraid to honestly look at and address that, the usual leftist suspects are simply turning the tables as a distraction in a weak effort to instead attack Breitbart.

    Breitbart did exactly what he set out and claimed to do, put the inherent racism of the NAACP and the American left on full display.

    link

  219. Well, I don’t think I can go through the comments to thousands of posts and delete the comment spam by hand in 3 days.

  220. Thomas I think that if “I still thinks she’s racist” is to be the basis of the Tea Party’s engagement on race it’s going to be a very long summer.

  221. Can you get me logged into the entire blog and let me help, JG.

  222. Thomas I think that if “I still thinks she’s racist” is to be the basis of the Tea Party’s engagement on race it’s going to be a very long summer.

    I say we fold the tent now then, ‘feets. Maybe revert to calling the racist bastards teh ghey amongst ourselves.

  223. Well Jeff, some messenger boy sent by the Party’s grocery clerks ensconsed at Google is trying to do the same thing to you that Pay Pal did to Pam Gellar, or whomever it was. That, or Google sees itself as The GATEWAY to adult themed content on the internet, and is trying to build a monopoly or something.

    Maybe happyfeet could lay-off the sexually oriented vulgarities for a while and stop tripping up whatever search algorithm is spazzing out. Maybe.

  224. Feets your ever recurring ‘I thinks’ are rapidly diminishing your stature.

    I think she’s a racist is my response to your attack on Breitbart. Yes, we get that you have chosen to conflate him with the TEA parties.

    Beyond that you clearly have nothing.

  225. And I clearly botched the HTML.

  226. I’d forgotten how pleasurable it was not to deal with politics.

  227. Or being called a racist as a matter of course, jg.

  228. Probably a good idea to close comments on posts that are more than a month or so old, if your blog lets you do that. Doubtless you’re going to have to do that manually. Probably the spammers bribe the blog-software weenies to give them easy access.

  229. People do not want to be associated with racist organizations, and they will believe that the tea party is racist unless the charges are refuted convincingly

    So the Tea Party needs to prove that it’s NOT racist. How does one go about proving a negative again, Makewi?

  230. #220 And let me (gratuitously) add that thankfully they are not concerning themselves with what you think.

  231. Not to defend Breitbart, but instead looking at silver linings: From now ’til the election, every time somebody harps on about racists in the Tea Party, the quick and easy counter is “Way less racist than Sherrod and the NAACP.” The accuser will protest; force them to make the argument. Force them to examine the institutionalized racism inherent in their side, and to compare that against a few Bircher cranks on the edges of the Tea Party demonstrations. Force them to admit that their side has for years thrown baseless accusations of racism at opponents to shut them up and put them on the defensive.

    I’m not talking about a simple, stupid tu quoque argument, either. This week, the nation was told quite forcefully and repeatedly that context matters. Better still, they were told by all the usual suspects upon whom they depend for the talking points that stand in for actual thought. We’ll never enjoy a better time for fighting back against the lazy assumption that small-government advocates are racists. We’ll never have a more potent defense against bad-faith accusations to that effect.

    They’re still going to call us racists. Call them on it. Not with defensiveness, but with confidence in the rightness of our arguments. Make them back up their claims. Hit back twice as hard. In so doing, you force them to devote a few neurons to a topic that they’ve most likely just accepted on faith up ’til now. With a little luck, some small proportion may wake up from the lazy thought patterns they’ve been programmed with since childhood.

  232. This didn’t happen in a bubble Mr. D. I think it’s very very naive to think that the Tea Party is not going to be besmirched by this… it’s not magically insulated from stunts what attack black people while invoking attacks on the Tea Party as a rationale.

  233. Is Eisenhower’s suggestion “make it bigger” of any use on the question of dealing with the race problem?

  234. Give it a rest Cupcakes, nobody is buying your argument that the race argument was brought on by Breitbart or the TEA parties.

  235. - You know Jeff, the day Obama was elected I layed it all down and walked away. Stopped watching the flow of politics altogether, because I knew what was coming, what to expect, and I knew it would just raise my blood preasure and make me a very angry puppy.

    – But then as things got worse and worse I began to feel like I was part of the problem, just by refusing to fight back, letting the bully have the playground and hunkering down in my bunker.

    – I have no way of knowing if feets is sincere in his comments, or just suffers from obsession over things and seeks attention, but it really doesn’t matter. The path he describes will just lose the fight before the first round is fired, and endless rounds have already been fired by the Left.

    – No. I won’t go quietly into that good night feets, and the more you or anyone else promotes that, the stronger it will set my resolve. Just so you know.

  236. Stop telling me to shut up, happyfeet. You don’t get to tell me what to think, and if what I say offends you, kick me out of your tent.

    Short of that, either get your own tent or quit whining that not everybody believes exactly what you believe exactly when you believe it, nor does everybody believe that what you don’t believe is not worth believing in themselves.

    Deal.

  237. they are not concerning themselves with what you think.

    The essence of libel, coincidentally. If it weren’t politics — and for all the cards in This Little Country, apparently — one could take the higher path. One cannot take the higher path. War happens.

  238. Democrats don’t think they can win without the race card

    http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/22/nbc-interviews-breitbart/

    But hey, RSM’s a racist, doncha know.

  239. I think it’s very very naive to think that the Tea Party is not going to be besmirched by this

    Well, Fuh’RAK me! I had no idea that the Left wasn’t out to besmirch the Tea Party before Andrew Breitbart went off half-cocked. Maybe this gollumesque “we be’s nice to them if they be’s nice to us” pragmatism isn’t the great big steaming pile of bantha poodoo I thought it was.

  240. Ditto, Ernst.

  241. Jeff G,
    Contact Dan Collins, his brother Enoch has something that I believe corrals the spam attacks on wordpress automatically; at least it’s in force at POWIP and keeps the buggers off the books. Maybe it would work here at PW also?

    At least it might be worth a try.

  242. stunts what attack black people

    So, are you saying that Breitbart selected that video because they were black, or because he thought they were behaving like racists?

    Dang.

  243. Jeff, can you dig this post out for linkage?

  244. here this is very conflatey I think

  245. - Well I agree with them, as far as they go, but I don’t think they can win with it either.

    – Everyone I talk to say’s the same thing. People are just sick and tired of being called racist. Doesn’t matter why. they don’t care “why”. They’re not interested in some intellectual discussion, they just want it to stop.

    – I tell everyone the same thing. If you want it to stop don’t vore for anyone who aligns themselves with race baiting, regardless of their political affiliations. Same with class warfare. That’s all it will take.

  246. Never mind, found it.

  247. Answer the question Feets. Were you calling Breitbart a racist?

  248. here this is very conflatey I think

    It makes the point you deny.

  249. Jeff I think it’s fair to protest the hijacking of the Tea Party by people who want to use it as a vehicle to vindicate the right of bogus charges of racism. The Tea Party can vindicate itself quite nicely by staying focused on its own issues and leaving the racial food fight to others.

  250. - The Tea party doesn’t give a fuck what you think feets, and for me that’s part of its charm.

    – It will do what it will do, and just like I don’t think we need big government thinking for us, wiping our asses at every turn, I don’t think the Tea party needs protecting.

  251. now look how wholly disingenuous the Breitbart crew is being

    that’s just sad… So no I don’t guess Shirley should be holding her breath for an apology.

  252. Why concede a LIE so they can maintain Teh Narrative?

  253. Here’s a follow up post to The Race Race as well, Race Race Redux

  254. Did Breitbart really excise or ignore the exculpatory portion of Sherrod’s remarks?< ?i>

    yes douchebag he ignored the the exculpatory portion of Sherrod’s remarks when he explicitly said that Shirley conducted her USDA duties with an unparalleled racist panache… this is why he had to go back and make a correction.

  255. Why concede a LIE so they can maintain Teh Narrative?

    ‘feets isn’t listening. Or responding, actually.

  256. Sorry. I don’t understand the question and I wasn’t sure it was for me… what lie conceded by whom?

  257. Generally speaking I would say do not do that.

  258. That non-apology you linked to was written by someone not named Andrew.

    Happy – if you were writing an apology for Andrew, what would you say?

  259. I think our resident psychotic bleater ought to take his psychotic bleating to biggovernment.com, where people might actually care.

    Or, most likely (after a while), not.

  260. The Tea Party can vindicate itself quite nicely by staying focused on its own issues and leaving the racial food fight to others.

    Unless, of course, the “fact” that the Tea Party movement consists of a bunch of undereducated, underemployed, overly white flyover country hicks pining away for the good ol’ days of Donna Reed, Fred MacMurray and James Crow takes hold through sheer repetition. If and when that happens, and should the Tea Party fracture and fizzle out as a consequence, then they’ll be nothing but a bunch of cowardly cowards and failing failures, won’t they?

  261. knock knock

    Hi Shirley I’m Andrew. Shirley I’m sorry I put that video forward as proof that you were a vile white-hating racist and I only did it cause I was mad how the NAACP and, if I may, yourself included seems to fling unwarranted racism charges with abandon. I probably should have thought through more better what I was hoping to accomplish and I am so sorry. I brought this lemon butter cream cake for you I was thinking I might come in and have a piece with you.

    I can’t believe they hauled off and fired you what are your feelings about that?

  262. Screaming RACISM is done on almost every topic by the left. Oppose Barcky. Check. Oppose healthcare deform. Check. Simply be white. Check. Lower taxes. Check. Lower spending. Check. Named Fred Barnes. Check. Any issue. Yet you do not want us to ever push back when the likes of Ackerman, Klein, Mathews, willie the racist hilljack, nisjit or anyone else does so. You are willing to concede that to the, one of the dishonest pillars of their foundation.

  263. They say intent follows the bullet.

    Breitbart’s intent was to hit racists and race-baiters.

    He hit only racists and race-baiters.

    No innocents were harmed in the making of this farce.

  264. Yet you do not want us to ever push back when the likes of Ackerman, Klein, Mathews, willie the racist hilljack, nisjit or anyone else does so.

    And re: listserv, tacitly admit it.

  265. I think pushing back can take a more better form than both Andrew’s mean-spirited fiasco or by producing a Uni-Tea extravaganza of diversity. I said one way to push back would be to talk about how minorities are adversely impacted by dirty socialisms. That, however, was crazytalk.

    But I have not said the Tea Party can’t release a press release what say Tea Party: Still Not Racist if they want to. And also I am eager to hear other ideas. Not very many of which have been forthcoming, other than a general consensus that we should “push back.”

    I say we should “push forward” with our exciting and novel ideas about appropriate spending levels.

  266. Exactly, JHo. In that regard, it pisses me off that this story is getting waaaaaaaaay more coverage than the perfidy of JournoList.

  267. Breitbart was mean to the NAACP? Is that what your charges have been reduced to?

    #266 – exactly. Breitbart’s decision that the tape was news-worthy may be open for discussion, even criticism.

    But Ackerman et al deserve scorn, condemnation, and -barring significant mea culpas- ostracism.

  268. He was mean to Shirley I thought.

    Wicked mean.

  269. Well, then perhaps cupcakes are in order. Do you think she’d be willing to retract her accusations of racism?

  270. I’m willing to give it a shot Mr. D if you are.

  271. If sdferr thinks she can be redeemed, and you think the same of Breitbart then it works for me, and maybe you really should pursue it.

  272. Shirley has told us that she actively discriminated against a white person because of their skin color, and goes on to note that you oppose Barcky and oppose healthcare reform because you are racist. Has she apologized yet?

  273. I think Breitbart’s indication that there is no apology what will be forthcoming probably means that repentance would be setting the bar kinda high.

  274. No, but Feets thinks she has it in her to do so.

  275. I don’t recall saying anything about redeemed. I recall persuaded though. Redeemed is what, like purchased off or traded in on a new model?

  276. It will be a cold day in hell before Shirley apologizes I think… but she might change tack when she contemplated how quickly she was underbused.

  277. *she’s* contemplated I mean

  278. Dang, I’ve type a comment twice and had it eaten both times.

  279. I’ve had troubles with some links lately.

  280. What has she said since being underbused suggests she may change? Seems to me she just went back to calling people racists.

  281. She seems to understand that going back to the USDA might be a mite compromising of her dignity.

  282. “What has she said since being underbused suggests she may change?”

    Precisely nothing so far. Any thought I’ve had of such a possibility are based solely on my own sense of human capacities as such.

  283. She seems to understand that going back to the USDA might be a mite compromising of her dignity.

    or it makes it harder to sue the gov’t and make money

  284. you’re very cynical Mr. newrouter and yes you are absolutely right

  285. shirley you know she plays that game too

  286. I hope you are proven correct, in time, sdferr.

  287. I imagine getting one really large lawsuit settlement is kinda like to crack where you want to hit that pipe again and again.

  288. that should be *crack to where* I have no idea what happened there

  289. I imagine getting one really large lawsuit settlement is kinda like to crack

    many in the black community have been taught how to game the system. maybe the naalcp CONducts classes on this topic

  290. in Los Angeles at least it’s a very ecumenical practice, the gaming

  291. Comment by ThomasD on 7/22 @ 4:25 pm #

    Well, then perhaps cupcakes are in order. Do you think she’d be willing to retract her accusations of racism?

    Comment by happyfeet on 7/22 @ 4:26 pm #

    I’m willing to give it a shot Mr. D if you are.

    I figure sucking up to the Taliban will work wonders. Problems solved!

  292. “I hope you are proven correct, in time, sdferr.”

    Just to be persnickety clear I’m not suggesting it’s likely Shirley will change, just that it’s possible.

  293. Mr. JHo what Andrew did to Shirley was exactly what we say we are against doing. He made a frivolous and dishonest charge of racism. And he did it maliciously. And he did it with no regard to possible consequences. She deserves an apology… how can we ever ask for an apology from the likes of Shirley Sherrod who are habitually given to making frivolous and dishonest charges of racisms if we are not gracious enough to offer one when due?

  294. Oh, I don’t know, ‘feets. I think it’s all kinda funny. Terminal to reason, but still funny.

  295. how can we ever ask for an apology from the likes of Shirley Sherrod who are habitually given to making frivolous and dishonest charges of racisms if we are not gracious enough to offer one when due?

    So she doesn’t have to apologize to Breitbart. But she owes me a big fat sloppy apology. For my part, I owe her precisely zilch.

    I’ll be here, waiting.

  296. He made a frivolous and dishonest charge of racism.

    He made a spot-on charge of opportunistic lying partisan hypocrisy so as to prove his — and our — charge that Racism™ is bullshit.

    And it worked. It even exposed the Administration.

  297. Did you listen to that entire clip at 294, ‘feets? You should.

  298. - One aspect of this I’m still pondering….

    – The NAACP has had the full video all along, (although there are some indications what they’re realeasing as “full” may have been edited),

    … and yet they still fired off that damning letter when she was fired. ??? Simply not the sort of strident response I would have expected from that org if they thought they were on safe ground.

    – Something about all of this still has a fish smell too it.

  299. I can’t do youtubes here but they let me go home soon

    ok fine Mr. Jeff I guess I do not know what to say I apologize for the consternations I have inflicted on my protein wisdom friends and I would only have you believe that I have done my best to share my for reals point of view on these matters.

    I think Mr. Breitbart a most vicious and ungracious person. As loathsome and ill-mannered a creature as I may be I would never do to someone what that man did to Shirley Sherrod.

  300. - Ok feets. We’ll try to warn you ahead of time if there’s any Breitbarts or Jelly fish by the pier before you go in the water.

  301. “Something about all of this still has a fish smell too it.”

    On the break at 21:00, noted and concurring, fishy. Pablo said however, that there was an explanatory account for the break given. It would be hilarious if it turns out that there was editing at that point to the contrary, which doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility given the tittering that began just as Shirley started to explain the end of the story.

  302. 1. NAACP smears “TEA Party” as racist, because they don’t condemn and repudiate racism in their ranks – which the NAACP is smugly certain is there without reliable evidence of any kind.
    2. Various people attempt to point out that a group without any leadership structure (hence the term “grassroots”), has no mechanism for policing its membership, because such membership is not awarded or revoked by any entity called the “TEA Party”. If you show up, or support in any way, the small government goals of the “TEA Party”, you get to call yourself a member.
    3. NAACP’s lack of evidence for the accusation, and the impossibility of the demand, even if the accusation were valid, is completely ignored by the vast majority of talking heads, who go on lending credibility to, and growing, the smear.
    4. Breitbart illustrates this point, by producing ACTUAL evidence of an NAACP event in which the INVITED speaker engages in rhetoric that would be met with horror, if the speaker had been white and the subjects of her story any other color of the rainbow. The audience members do not denounce or condemn the speaker, and appear to be receptive to her characterizations of some poor white guy that none of them know personally, who is not there to defend himself.
    5. The speaker, it turns out, is not an evil nazi, and the point of her story is not pure, racist, evil, so a bunch of nicey-nice people jump up to defend her, because, it seems, the TEA Party people must be ideologically pure and without any human failings in order to be defensible, but the nice African American lady with the tragic history is completely redeemed by the fact that she didn’t totally screw over the subject of her story, and allows, in the end, that it’s okay to help some white people, if they’re poor enough to fit into a class struggle narrative. Even if they act all superior and don’t sufficiently grovel.
    6. The fact that the speaker actually took a lot longer to say that white people might be worth helping, sometimes, than the original video showed, means that the video has been edited/doctored/manipulated to make the speaker seem worse than she actually is, despite the fact that, as redemption stories go, hers is pretty lame and patronizing. Add in some actual white people who are pathetically grateful to have been treated like human beings by this woman, and we have a full blown canonization going on.

    Real, actual racism, unlike the manufactured kind, rarely asserts itself with a black cape and a curly moustache, tying innocent people to railroad tracks and cackling maniacally. In fact, the clearest example of racism I’ve seen in this whole mess is the eagerness with which some people have tried to transform this woman into an example of racial redemption. She’s a racist who isn’t quite as gleefully racist as she used to be. The phrase, “The banality of evil”, comes to mind. She has some awful things in her past that help to explain her 2-dimensional view of white people, but most people who are accused of racism aren’t given the chance to mitigate the charges with their individual experiences. She deserves to be held to the same standard that anyone else would be, regardless of her color. She was filmed surreptitiously, sitting around with friends, having a few drinks and talking out of turn. She was speaking in front of a group of people, from a podium, with full knowledge that cameras were running. That she didn’t feel the need to speak more carefully lends even more support to Breitbart’s point. Really? She’s just a nice old lady that doesn’t know any better? She’s savvy enough to have profited very comfortably in the racial grievance biz, and the rush to paint her as some modern day Miss Jane Pittman, serving up spitty water to the superior acting white bitches (bbbut, she gave that thirsty girl water anyway, so she’s not so bad!) sets the standard pretty low. That’s our problem with race, right there. We decide who is allowed a biography, who is allowed to be judged by 20 more minutes of explanation rather than by a sound bite, devoid of any context at all, and who can and can’t be forgiven for a racist past.

  303. When momma Shirley ain’t happy, ain’t noooobody happy!

    “He hasn’t lived the kind of life I’ve lived,” she said on CNN’s morning show.

    “I know he’s African-American or part African-American, and many of us are not totally black in our genes. I’m one of them. But when you get down to where the rubber meets the road, I think he needs to understand a little more of what life is like at that level.”

    Shirley is aiming a little higher than Andrew, ‘feets.  Maybe you should too.

     

  304. Rebecca you don’t gank some obscure nobody and make of her an object lesson about the perils of dissing whitey when you’re trying to reform entitlement programs and expose the wastefulness of stimulus packages.

    It’s just nuts.

  305. - Yes, and where she’s aiming, the rubber meets something, but not the road.

    “I know he’s African-American or part African-American, and many of us are not totally black in our genes. I’m one of them.”

    – She seems to be goading him in sereal of her interviews. Maybe she hasn’t talked with him after all. Maybe he’s skeered of this little black woman.

  306. hah. she’s a hard person not to like, no?

  307. - What next, national ethnic ID cards?

  308. I’m now forced to recall someone else asserting little eichmanns somewhere or other. Thanks.

  309. So Brietbart didn’t make an apt charge of opportunistic lying partisan hypocrisy so as to prove his — and our — charge that Racism™ is bullshit, ‘feets?

    If that’s what you’re claiming, you’re doing that intentionalism thing, I think, because that’s all I saw there and still do.

  310. Rebecca you don’t gank some obscure nobody and make of her an object lesson about the perils of dissing whitey when you’re trying to reform entitlement programs and expose the wastefulness of stimulus packages.

    It’s just nuts.

    But not as nuts as obsessing over spending to the point of absolute exclusion of all else.

  311. Because, ‘feets, unless I miss my educated guess, I really don’t think Brietbart concerns himself all that much with racism, per se. What his history tells us he concerns himself with is Racism™ as the wretchedly and frequently consciously dishonest political leverage it is.

  312. - Well you know JHo. That “I know what you’re thinking” thought police thing is part and parcel of the earliest racism charges way back in the 60’s, and its highly contagious.

  313. Breitbart wanted to pin a scarlet R on this lady and leverage her shameful shameful racisms for political benefit. Had his evil scheme worked she would have become a national object of contempt.

    That’s not how we roll Mr. Howard.

  314. But not as nuts as obsessing over spending to the point of absolute exclusion of all else.

    yeah well that’s only nuts until the defaultings or the hyperinflations start

  315. - feets, have you called Vilsack, or the NAACP, or the WH yet and told them that?

  316. I should do that Mr. Hunter but I’ve been busy whaling on Mr. Breitbart just cause I’m so mad he would drag the Tea Party, the last hope of mankind except for Paul Ryan, into this sort of racial sewer.

  317. yeah well that’s only nuts until the defaultings or the hyperinflations start

    And once that starts it will be obvious and we won’t have to point it out to anybody, what we will have to do is make sure that when we point out whose fault it is nobody buys it when the guilty parties start calling us racist as their only defense.

  318. - In my esrlier comment I wasn’t so much alluding to any possible tape editing when I said something still smells fishy.

    – what I was pondering is the fact that the NAACP had the full tape all along, and certainly had time to review its contents thouroughly, and yet they pulled the trigger.

    – What happened there. Did the video go from damningly racist to innocently non-racist in the space of 24 hours?

  319. Breitbart wanted to pin a scarlet R

    you wrong go get a cupcake

    Correction: While Ms. Sherrod made the remarks captured in the first video featured in this post while she held a federally appointed position, the story she tells refers to actions she took before she held that federal position.

    It’s unfortunate that the NAACP’s recent resolution and false accusations have forced us to show you video 1 when video 2 is the bigger problem. That’s not to say video 1 is not a problem, but this country can ill afford, in this time of economic peril, to waste our time poking and prodding at the racial hornet’s nest that was supposed to have been removed with this post-racial presidency. But now President Obama and the modern-day Democrat party reveal they are anything but post-racial.

    link

  320. - And further, when the NAACP tries to cover its ass by blaming FOX, every instance they ran of it that first day, and every day since to my knowledge, defended the woman, including Beck and O’Reilly,so this excuse they were shagged by FOX is total bullshit.

    – I don’t think we yet know the full the story. Some of Shirley’s comments since then make it even weirder.

  321. Yeah hf, poor, poor, obscure nobody Shirley Somethingorother. Plucked from her unobtrusive existence as a professional race grievance lecturer and picking the pockets of the rest of us to line her own. You’re really determined to see her as a black Aunt Bea, making lemonade in Mayberry.

    I wonder if she’s pro-life, like that icky Sarah Palin. No, wait. If she were, it would be a black culture kind of thing, cause those black women are all churchy like that, from singing negro spirituals in the fields.

    So what would it take for you to hold her to your usual standards?

    Hey, maybe Breitbart watched his family destroyed when they lost the land they’d been farming for generations, and hearing about that white farmer brought it all back, causing him to lash out at poor Shirley. See that? Shirley has a biography. Breitbart is an angry white guy, taking down anyone that gets in the way of his evil race obsession.

  322. - There is talk on the street that Obama has lost a lot of cred with the Black community because of the way he handled, or didn’t handle, this. They’re not too thrilled with the NAACP either, saying that the Org should have been out front defending her.

  323. What interests me, BBH, is how all this flak in the air detracts from the logical problem of racism as official policy — the unquestioned American tradition of discriminating for exclusive advantage because of color.

    Perhaps this vacuum of reason and debate exists because like the fragility of truth in a dysfunctional species, politics are asymmetrical, and like truth, we’ll spend all of our time wildly off center either creating or dealing with that flak before we approach it — if we ever do, which is unlikely. Why? Because The Lie is sensitive to light. Among other things, this is the Alinsky method.

    For another example of this failing, here we are as the most advanced and accomplished nation in history and we don’t bat much of an eye that we’re quite terminally bankrupt. We don’t gape in astonishment at the mountains of fraud and greed that rule us and steal our homes and resources and incomes and call it an unfortunate “recession”. We accept that this is normal, and we accept that these flames are normal when they come for us.

    So too do we not even question the decades of intellectual fraud practiced by making race a point of official government entry into virtually every matter social and personal. We rarely question the simply staggering cost to all races these racialist policies levy, year after year, community after community, and family after family.

    Is this policy somehow constitutional? Classically liberal?

    So when this core issue stares us down, why do ostensible conservatives instead question one man’s crusade to out this fraud of thought, reason, and effect when they should have rallied fifty years ago to actually make the nation truly colorblind then, one individual at a time, and never invoking an ounce of government.

    What Brietbart did isn’t the issue. The issue is (or should be) the tremendous dishonesty of how generations of unquestioned institutionalized racialism roll on, never questioned except only as gingerly as is arbitrarily and socially acceptable, pursuant some unspoken code of conduct that always hinges on the whim of society’s loudest malcontents.

  324. Rebecca it’s wrong and not America to pick random obscure people for to be the object of withering contempt.

    And this has nothing to do with Sarah Palin I don’t think. She acquired the contempt what exists for her the old fashioned way.

  325. Breitbart wanted to pin a scarlet R on this lady and leverage her shameful shameful racisms for political benefit.

    We’ve been through this and I’m convinced you’re mistaken. Breitbart likely wanted to have the left choke on it’s sacred charge of racism, it’s most important — and most importantly fraudulent — political leverage. As such it greatly offends me.

    Come on, ‘feets. Do better.

  326. Rebecca it’s wrong and not America to pick random obscure people for to be the object of withering contempt.

    And this has nothing to do with Sarah Palin I don’t think. She acquired the contempt what exists for her the old fashioned way.

    You were losing me before, ‘feets, but now you’re gone.

  327. oh good lord, grieferfeet now finds Andrew Breitbart THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD for actions others took when they saw the video clip … the only part he received.

    Anyone ever see griefer and Keith Olbermann in the same room together? Or griefer and Sully?

    Oh, btw, that paragon of virtue, Sherrod, went on CNN and wished the government would shut down Breitbart’s site.

  328. Hi Darleen here is my favorite song this week I think they are really amazing

    they’re new!

  329. i think its very barackyamerica to want to shut down andy b.

  330. Rebecca it’s wrong and not America to pick random obscure people for to be the object of withering contempt.

    And this has nothing to do with Sarah Palin I don’t think. She acquired the contempt what exists for her the old fashioned way.

    Yep, Grieferfeet taking the 2×4 across the skull of any non-leftist that is not as pure and staunchey as exists in the howling black hole where his brain used to be.

  331. The problem is that even if your top priority is cutting spending, you will still have to deal with the professional racism industry that has an iron lock on a huge chunk of it and reacts to any attempt to cut it by screaming that raaaaaacists like you only want to cut it to put black babies out on the street. If you’ve already conceded the narrative that only your group is raaaaaacist, you won’t get anywhere.

  332. Yeah, feets, she crossed Leftists like you, and hasn’t backed down.

  333. Yeah, feets, she crossed Leftists like you, and hasn’t backed down.

    +1

  334. Here’s Shay Riley and her Bookerristas’ take on the Sherrod affair, from a variety of black perspectives. And yes, don’t let the msm fool you–there are a variety of black perspectives.

  335. look if you wanted to take on the professional racism industry I don’t know why you waited til your little country was perched on the abyss of a disastrous financial oblivion.

    That was bad planning.

  336. speedrascist was a cartoon and had a chimp named chim chim
    but was no kimba the lion

  337. - Have you made those calls or sent those emails yet feets?

  338. No Mr. Hunter I am actually still at work but I am leaving soon. I think I i’ll stop at Ralph’s on the way home and get some low-fat sour creams.

    Hi Mr. buttons I’m glad you are here I miss you when you’re gone.

  339. Okay, let’s take all the known facts about Ms. Sherrod and interpret them in the most negative light. Say she’s a self-satisfied civil servant who considers herself a civil master. She’s got a queen bee mentality, terming a farmer in need “acting superior”, when in reality he probably wasn’t kissing her @$$ smoochily enough for her. She’s an affirmative action quota hire who yells racism to tar her enemies and generally smooth her road in life.

    If she is all that, then what happened to her would be just as wrong as it would be if she was otherwise. Breitbart ran with a juicy item straight from the Too Good To Check File, as have most of us at one time or another. I doubt that this is the hill he wants to die on, but in the long run it may turn out to be just that.

  340. see I think that’s all clear as day Mr. TSI I just don’t know how to make the words for so the people can understand

    but speaking of the oil spill this is astounding and it probably won’t get reported a lot cause for some reason I do not unnerstan the word is out to take it easy on BP this week… I’ll be curious to see if AP or Reuters picks it up

    The fact that the safety item hadn’t been installed earlier confused some rig workers who had always seen such lockdown sleeves put in place with drilling mud still in the well. But Albers wrote the procedure to place the device after the mud, which protects against kicks of gas, had already been removed.

    I’m not aware of all the reasons drilling fluid is used,” Albers said.

  341. Reuters wrap-up of today makes no mention of any hearings taking place today at all

    the only place that guy’s testimony has been reported is at nola.com

    wtf

  342. There’s a cute story about my fingers.

  343. for reals? This is the title of a book being advertised at World Net Daily

    Erik Rush’s brand new book is bold, daring and needed: “Negrophilia: From Slave Block to Pedestal – America’s Racial Obsession”

    good times.

  344. And, for the first time in our lifetimes outside the South, white racial consciousness has visibly begun to rise.

    That is what Mr. Buchanan says by the way at that link.

  345. I’m just happy you’re all still concentrating on placating my many issues.

  346. Ohnoes! And Pat Buchanan — he of the anti-war stance and isolationist trade policy (hey, just like John Kerry!) — speaks directly for me. Whatever shall I do?

  347. The Tea Party’s time has come,
    But some don’t like where they’re from,
    Wingnuts don’t fear the race card,
    Not from the nutroots or the press or the Prez,
    Come on happy,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You can be really staunch,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You’ll still be cool with nishi
    -don’t fear the race card
    You can really be staunch

    The race baiters are done,
    They’ve had their time in the sun,
    Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson,
    Will burn together for eternity
    -Rev. Al and Jesse
    40,000 race cards played between the two
    -Rev. AL and Jesse
    40,000 race cards played beween the two
    -and what’s it brought us to
    Another 40,000 from their replacement crew
    -that’s what they’re planning to do
    Come on happy,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You can be really staunch,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You’ll still be cool with nishi
    -don’t fear the race card
    You can really be staunch

    Breitbart tried to take the lead,
    But he or his writers blew the lede,
    Came your last few days of sadness,
    And you thought Tea Partiers couldn’t go on,
    But Shirley opened her mouth and racial tropes appeared,
    And her moral authority disappeared,
    And then at PW Jeff G appeared,
    -saying don’t be afraid
    Come on happy,
    -face them without fear
    You can tell them they lie,
    -don’t fear the race card
    Argue two things at once,
    -call out the race baiters
    Dirty socialisms hurt us all
    -call out the race baiters

    Come on happy,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You can be really staunch,
    -Don’t fear the race card
    You’ll still be cool with nishi
    -don’t fear the race card
    You can really be staunch

  348. grieferfeet

    You read World Nut Daily and drag its carcus back here as accusation

    when the fuck has ANYONE here made a post that linked to that site?

  349. zOMG!1!!1!

    Not Negrophilia, not from World Net Daily!1!1!! They’re Birtherz, and therefore, racists!

  350. More cowbell

    Less cupcakes

  351. Well Jeff,
    I think you know what that means. Since Pat speaks for you, that makes you a bona fide racist.

    Oh, and does he speak for you on MSNBC also?

  352. Blue Oyster Staunch would make one hell of a cover band name.

  353. Staunch Oyster Cult?

  354. The staunchest don’t need to tour, they’re already nationwide. Just like the Tea Party.

  355. Mr. Staunch needs to make a music video. But, whatevz-MTV is too busy rockin’ the vote and real life-ing to, you know, play music videos anymore.

  356. Staunch goes to eleven!

  357. Blew Oyster Stench?

    – Maybe they could pass regulations limiting the number of times an hour a Progressive is allowed to use the word “racism”.

  358. Staunch Griefer Cult?

  359. More like eleventy!1!1!!

  360. Blue Oyster Cult is old school for sure. But so is being truly staunch, I imagine.

  361. Blew Oyster Stench

    No, that was my college years.

  362. jeez that Buchanan was from a link at the top of Drudge that means a kajillion people are reading it… I just thought it was interesting that Mr. Breitbart has done so much to raise white racial consciousness

    hey who’s hungry for an expensive sammich?

    But no I know nobody here was in the raised white racial conscious loop.

    I hate raise baiting I deplore it but deploring the race baiting is old and busted and the new hotness it railing against the spendings.

  363. Whatever shall I do?

    You’ll defend yourself, by God!

  364. - Greta is talking with the Arizona governor Brewer. She’s pretty elated concerning the court hearings on immigration today.

  365. It’s worth nothing, but I’m not going to reflexively call you racists. I’m sick of the term; it needs retirement

  366. Because reflexive accusations now being less than meaningless.

    Way to stay behind the curve Cynn.

  367. So enlighten me ThomasD. What are the latest outrages?

  368. Hi Jeff! Welcome back. It’s good to see you.

  369. - Hey. Thats concillatory on cynn’s part. I can be gracious and accepting.

    – Now about your other 4,000 defamatory posts……

  370. EVERYBODY PANIC!!!

  371. What are the latest outrages?

    If a certain pikachu is to be believed, it is outrageous for conservatives/classical liberals/tea partiers to respond to bogus allegations of racism.

  372. - I don’t have time to list the current fadish outrages….I’m too busy measuring the flow rate on my shower head……

  373. - {I guess we’re finally seeing what all the changy was about….forced changes of all your bathroom fixtures…..

  374. Mr. Breitbart has done so much to raise white racial consciousness

    ok people of non color can only be awake. go eat a cupcake

  375. I’m sick of the term; it needs retirement

    stupid leftists talking points?

  376. blue cloistered nuns

  377. - Chocolate or vanilla?

  378. strawberry silly

  379. white people found electricity. how’s that working in zimbawe we

  380. Nun Dare cloister Oysters

  381. “white” losers from the commy yugoslavia developed 3 phase electric generation

  382. white “losers” made the first auto

  383. - That was a later generation…..the earlier generation was two faced…..

  384. jewish “losers” patent too much shit that the arabs are still all a twitter about the buzzing prayer rug

  385. avatar/ which i thought was hypy hypy
    was great
    great like i wish i seen it in a theater and 3 d
    but i didn’t/ cuz they beat me down/ telling ME what
    to expect dances with wolves blue aliens but
    so cynical thought it would be rockem sockem robots but it
    had a plot..
    i will now shutup now
    now

  386. But were they, like, staunch?

  387. well f((k the leftist losers in their desire for me(not them) to rush me into the slave culture of the demonrat party

  388. - Make that flying buzzing prayer rug’s with turn signals and indoor squat holes, no shade, and everyone gets three stones…..

  389. Wait, did you see the movie buttons?

  390. nay these demonrats should be exposed for their communist desires. jeez you’d think the blacks would get the plantation thing.

  391. - I think that staunch you smell is coming from the cess pool on the Left…..

  392. For the life of me I cannot understand three phase motors.

  393. alex trebeck; a cheap wine containing a color with religious connatations?
    me/ pink floyd
    asshole next to me/none/ of thee above!{ooh/ i wanted to smack that priss!)
    asshole two doors down/alex-say something french/ on my dick..
    and we laughed afterparty but i marked their cars..
    for a fundraiser/ dont ya know

  394. - With me its two faced Progressives….

    Arizona: You want to control immigration – Racists!

    San Francisco/LA: You want to control immigration – social compassion!

  395. For the life of me I cannot understand three phase motors.

    360 deg = circle. position magnets at 120 deg. 3×120=360. each magnet is a phase. apply electric potential.

  396. And is Sherrod willing to forgive Breitbart?

    “[H]e would really need to come and sit down with me and look me in the eye so that we could see if we can find a place,” Sherrod said. “I’m not saying I won’t forgive him, but we would need to see if we can find a place where that can happen.”

    That sitdown would be gold. Go, Andrew. And bring some video back.

  397. Thanks Newrouter, I know the basic facts, I just can’t grok the functionality.

  398. - Pretty much, except the three waves of electricity driving the motor also have to have their peaks 120 degrees apart to run smoothly. otherwise the “pushes” would kick each other in the ass.

    -(This factoid has been brought to you by Ace hardware, Ace is the place with the overly friendly next door hardware pervert, and Laika, the space dog, beaming trVthiness to the masses since 1957)

  399. What bamboozles you about it ThomasD?

  400. yes i saw avatar and i thought it was the best movie i’ve seen since.. i dunno/i like sci fi with plot/’ just read moon is hardy boy andy rooney harsh mistrees/ etc/
    sci fi can engage
    like/ as proffessor pd butt says
    an alley/alley gore/alley gore towel/alley gore make a wish towel/
    like to engage/ think/
    sadly/ im a rascict who has hung up blue butterflys stain glass on my windows and i think of africa/ for two reasons/ no three reasons
    no
    the comfy chair
    uno
    soccer futbol two
    reason fouur
    avoid africa/ its ..africa
    anyhoo the fourth reason its quite plain
    great sharks that jump upthe only time i argue with americans black that are the same/ little bit/ political
    and i say
    robert mugabe..
    a silence ensues/
    sso sick of colour
    when i puke and leave it
    puh-lease..
    if sean hannity is around
    take him fishing
    say a few hail marys/ fredo

  401. great white sharks you mean

  402. He wants to change the subject. It is not outrageous to change the subject. The subject was race, and its implications on the phony dialectic. Apparently everyone is in their subjective corner, and the bell hasn’t rung yet.

  403. - 3 phase is generally used for anything in the next up heavy lifting range in home appliances because its more efficient and saves on the number of copper wires. each of the three wires is the return for one of the others so the syetm delivers the same power/current as a 6 wire system. Multiply that times the number of houses/businesses and you have millions of feet of wire saved.

    – Its also easier to generate, and they boost the voltage to 230, allowing 4 times the power right there. Lots of efficiencies and delivering much greater power in almost the same wire size.

  404. anyone notice that the super premium chocolate fad seems to have fizzled out?

  405. Did someone say great white staunch? Must be me.

  406. - I’m waiting for cynn to blow the bell.

  407. Not sure exactly where I get bamboozled, maybe if I knew then I could work it out. I just don’t have the same intuitive sense of what is going on as compared to DC or single phase.

    I mean, its pretty easy to understand a three phase motor as a direct counterpart to a three phase generator, but not much beyond that. And I’ve hear all the talk about the inherent benefits of three phase over other options but those things just aren’t directly apparent to me.

    Last year I was trying to figure out how to make a static converter for a three phase motor I had, and as much I I tried to get it the whole thing just escaped me.

  408. What kind of premium chocolate are you talking about, Ritter-sport? Godiva?

  409. more the ones pushing high cocoa content… Godiva is forever

  410. like these guys

  411. Sorry, Cynn wants us back on topic, and Cynn must be placated.

    Apparently she has decided not to reflexively call us racists. She wants to have the opportunity to do so willfully, after we’ve been granted a chance to betray our deep seated racist dialectics.

  412. Big Bang Hunter: I gather you are a smarty. Did I say something retartit?

  413. Thomas,
    BBH gave a succinct explanation of a lot of the advantages. The dealio with 3 phase efficiency is a bit more esoteric. You know how AC electricity resembles a sine wave, right? Well in 3 phase power, the current running in each conductor “leg” is 120 degrees out of phase with the other 2. The effective result is that the load is operating at nearly constant power all the time; and in indictive loads like motors this results in longevity and smoother operation.

    And a static convertor for 3 phase motors involves 220 AC and a capacitory properly sized to mimic the missing third leg and its concomitant waveform.

    I hope this helped.

  414. I really hadn’t noticed a chocolate fad of late, and I do like dark chocolate, but once the cocoa content starts to push 60% it really loses me – just too overwhelming to appreciate any nuances.

  415. You know happyfeet,
    I’ve had plenty of different kinds over the years, the best being in Beligium, but I’ve never had that Green and Blacks. I’m sure they’ve got it here in NYC.

    Y’all got Ghiradelli out there in California, that’s pretty good; and some of the offerings are pushing the high cocoa content.

  416. ThomasBaby: You are funny. Yes, I require you to be rhetorical contortionists so that you can assume the position in any tricky situation. And you betray your biases at the rate of the Gulf of Mexico gush/seep, which you totally own.

  417. Bush spilled the oil!!!!

    Brilliant.

  418. …or maybe it was Dick Cheney’s lesbian bikini biker assassination death squad.

  419. #196 Comment by Jeff G. on 7/22 @ 2:58 pm #:

    If so – then it has been a lot of fun knowing you.

    And the other reprobates and degenerates here.

  420. ghiradelli is tasty but I sort of avoid buying stuff from SF

  421. And a static convertor for 3 phase motors involves 220 AC and a capacitory properly sized to mimic the missing third leg and its concomitant waveform.

    Yeah, that’s exactly what I was trying to do, but how to determine the proper capacitance value and exactly how to wire it all up was what I just couldn’t work out. And since it was 220 it was not something I really wanted to go trial an error on.

  422. me i was just pointing out the hunky guys

    you know black guys can do it:

    link
    cause they don it

  423. I own the Macando leak? Cool. When the checks start rolling in I’ll buy you a drink Cynn.

    I Don’t think Obama and Soros would ever cut you in on enough from Petrobras to cover the cost of one cocktail olive.

  424. “Die pelicans, die!” – Karl Rove

  425. it all comes down to freedom. hey barack nice $600 charge there with the 1099

  426. - No cynn…as far as I know your tits are fine…

  427. Chocolate is all well and good but I’d sooner have heard from psycho today.

  428. Seconded

  429. we are bereft of psycho

  430. - ThomasD…..Rather than go into too long and wordy a comment on the proper wiring and Capacitor values for a static hookup, the internet is your friend…..

  431. ThomasD,
    Here’s a good article on sizing the capacitor.

    http://www.waterfront-woods.com/Articles/phaseconverter.htm

    Also, one of the PW commentariat, Slartibartfast, is an electrical engineer and may know an empirical formula for calulating the necessary size. I have some reference books here, but, it’s late broheim; too late for me to go digging through those texts.

    Maybe an industrial supply can nearby you can help you with the sizing. Or, alternatively, they may have a relatively inexpensive convertor package available, either static or rotary; they are specified based in the size of your motor in horsepower.

  432. happyfeet,
    I suggest you try Ritter; it’s good German chocolate. I can’t believe that in Cali y’all don’t get any good high cocoa content stuff from Mexico.

  433. oh… we have it it’s just not everywhere like it used to be – you have to find it now… it was a big fad here cause of the anti-oxidants

  434. I don’t think you hyphenate that

  435. BBH, MR. Reed, thank you both. Last year the simple solution was to find another motor on ebay (was building a spin art machine for the wife to use as a charity fundraiser.) But one day I shall re-apply myself and figure it all out (the motor still sits on a shelf in the garage.) Either that or I’ll grow tired of tramping across the house to reset the breaker. What I really need to do is get my wife to take a CPR course…

  436. Well, now that’s something I never heard, that chocolate had antioxident properties. I’ll tell my wife; she’ll be excited to hear it.

    Wine-healthy, chocolate-healthy. Now, if only smoking didn’t kill ya…

  437. The rectal-cranial inversion has progressed to the point that your sides hurt now, huh?

  438. Nishi, it’s late and *yawn* you’re boring, as usual. Maybe you’d like to hold forth on the whole journolist scandal.

    That’ll be going a while.

    lawl

  439. But there is a happy ending…

    Yes there is a happy ending. It will be this November when the Republicans take over Congres and you’re crying in your Kirin Ichiban.

    I can see November from my house….tick, tock, tick, tock….

  440. sillie proteins….Breitbart got pranked….it was a set up.

    I’ve wondered about that myself. If that’s the case, he ought to identify the source that provided him with the video.

  441. I’d settle for the NAACP releasing the whole video – sans edit.

  442. The only person being pranked is nishi, who will get the shock of her life when the professional student gravy train grinds to a halt as the federal and state governments go bankrupt.

    Lulz.

    ;)

  443. Nishbot is like the Iraqi Information Minister of Protein Wisdom. It is to laff…

  444. #237 Jeff G.:

    *clap, clap, clap*

    (I am now – obviously working my way through this thread from where I last left off.)

  445. just a man on the street/ kinda/ i will not suck ur narritive!
    butt ive often wondereded who wrote the book of love

    BUT
    im looking for redemtion/ blowjobs/ a cheery hey/ hows u be

    but/ the human discrace has…pooo
    poo
    poo

  446. Good night all. Well, all except Mengele’s daughter.

  447. - Yes, yes the Libturds are just hopping with glee…

    – Except: Bumbblefuck and the counterculture pinheads now have a loose cannon on their hands making new sparkling speeches laced with even more racist statements on every left biased TV show she can get on, while “the One” has an army of minions trying to figure out how to deal with her and not look like an even bigger idiot than he already does.

    – Yep. Breitbart got pranked……that’s the ticket.

  448. All your bases are belong to us!

    Domo arigato, mrs. griefboto.

  449. This is more your speed nishi, since, you know, you’re such a multi-culti race fetishist and all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcViWXvVjTc

    Enjoy now, because, I don’t think we’ll be seein’ that bullsiht again in 2012.

    By the way, I too can see November from my house. And here in true blue New York folks ain’t too happy with your boy O!. In fact, the die hard liberals that generally carry his water don’t seem to even want to talk about politics that much these days.

    go figure.

    The journolist story has legs nishi, it’s goin’ somewhere for sure. People are fed up with both the race card and the wanna-be journolists and other Obamites that throw them.

    lawl

  450. tucker carlson wore that
    tie
    what u call it/ george jones?
    faggy
    i agrre/

    hey george flattop shit fuck jones/ what do u call a
    ..please/ mr jones/ im a journolist..
    why do u cry?

    mmmm/ good question/ i cry to complete the circle
    but the thorns might drag ur results

  451. Ok, I quit reading at comment #240 or so, gotta go to bed, but I wanted to say one thing. You have become a tiresome jackass happyfeet.

    Despite your sneaky attempts to stick a charge of lynching a black woman on Andrew and the whole Tea Party, I think everyone knows the truth. Breitbart punked the NAACP and Obama. Bad. The man is big. the man is strong. Happyfeet is the church lady.

  452. what u call it/ george jones

    The lefties will sure be needing some “White Lighting” as the JournoList scandal unfolds.

  453. IF, he got pranked, admitting THAT is a bigger problem for Breitbart than (for example) admitting to a failure to do due diligence because the story was too good to check, or asserting something like “fake but accurate”? How’s that work, exactly?

  454. i put mengeles daughtrer to the safe haven
    and then
    don’t ya know
    i’m tap dancincing again..

    people
    can we/ u/ us/ kill/ mmmm
    let go/recess!

  455. Andrew Breitbart, you magnificent bastard, keep on fighting the good fight.

    We’ve managed to kick off much better and more significant discourse; we’ve made substantial progress in disarming the Left’s RAAAAACIST! R U narrative. This single AB incident will see them dragged kicking and screaming away from the process of casual, everyday calling for the race cudgel, providing more leadership than ever our Community Organizer in Chief (the Post-Racial President!)ever dreamed of doing. Oh, Obama wasn’t desirous of solving the racial division problem, you say? Of course he was-NOT! One of the best tools in any progg’s arsenal is to casually play the race card, as @attackerman suggested. That WILL be much harder to do, since AB yanked both the President’s and the NAALCP’s chains.

    Good for him.

    Andrew Breitbart is a sheepdog. You who are doing so should stop trying to paint him white.

  456. I wouldn’t say Breitbart punked the NAACP and the administration so much as they punked themselves.

  457. Dave Grossman is brilliant.

  458. #303 Comment by Rebecca on 7/22 @ 5:37 pm #:

    And that is pretty spot-on. Right in the gold, friend.

    Please – comment here so long as there is a here to comment.

  459. #308 Comment by Big Bang Hunter on 7/22 @ 5:45 pm #:

    How else would we know if someone has sufficient moral authority to have an opinion on a subject?

  460. In fact, the die hard liberals that generally carry his water don’t seem to even want to talk about politics that much these days.

    And then there is nishi’s weak-ass troll-fu tonight. All is not well in leftyland, that’s for sure.

  461. die hard- [psst/ ur child will meet u on the other side)
    die hard two/ the train tires things must be looked after
    and silenced!

    of course the radicals started pumpin oil/water into tin mans mouth..
    and if i have to quote from..
    handy dandy fox news..
    well..
    if i only had a heart..
    if i only had a heart..
    let me repeat u sneeks/ if u only had a heart!
    piss off/ decadance/ lou reed was therer
    ur not
    muffintop

  462. - The suck set are trying greatly to look like thry’re on top of this.

    – They are not Shirley the meme killer is on top, and they have no idea what she may do or say, or how long she intends to play them like bugs.

    – That’s why they’re so panicky, and bumbblefuck is being no help at all, hiding like he is, nd using Vilsack as the sacrificial goat.

    – And the NAACP. Well they stepped on their own cranks with no place to hide. The statement they were bamboozled by FOX. when FOX hadn’t even run the story yet was masterful.

    – Yeh. Breitbart got pranked. that’s the ticket.

  463. #325 Comment by happyfeet on 7/22 @ 6:15 pm #

    Rebecca it’s wrong and not America to pick random obscure people for to be the object of withering contempt.

    Haps, I would take this statement at face-value if you had not already called a rather innocent Mrs. Tebow a hoochie cumslut.

  464. Heh, looks like nishi’s comments got zapped.

  465. #332 Comment by SDN on 7/22 @ 6:26 pm #:

    Damn! Where did I read that before?

    ;)

  466. lee I’m sorry you are so mad I just don’t think that was right at all what Breitbart did to that lady

    while speaking at the NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet, Ms. Sherrod admits that in her federally appointed position overseeing a billion dollars, she discriminates against people due to their race

    That’s what he said. He’s a Tea Partier what was willing to slander an innocent woman to avenge the NAACP’s slanders against the Tea Party. He lied to incite. We can argue about what he was trying to incite but that’s what he did.

    I don’t see how this is a good thing.

  467. - That’s too bad. the trolls come here to gather talking points and angles on what we have to throw at them. It would be fun for the next few weeks to push toothpicks under their fingernails with the Shirley and Journolist disasters.

    – But now that they’re in panic mode the peace and quiet would be nice too…..

  468. Mikey I don’t want to talk about her anymore do we have to?

  469. “….I don’t see how this is a good thing.”

    …he said for the 768th time since it happened.

  470. #344 and #345:

    World Net Daily and Pat Bucahanan?
    Jesus F****** Christ on a Crutch.

    Why don’t you just bring in the Pyongyang Times* to really corner the market on the loopiest of the loopy?

    *I have some issues, my brother gave them to me – English translations. And I expect better quality from a high school newspaper.

  471. MIkey that’s on the very top of Drudge tonight which means a lot of people are reading it. That’s important cause it can’t help but inform people’s views on current events.

    I think it’s very unhelpful if you were wondering what I thought about it.

  472. Sorry Mr. Hunter I felt like I should recap for lee.

  473. = Surprise, surprise…..Well golly Sargent, who knew??????

  474. Charlie Hill is still bringing the good stuff.

  475. happyfeet, you insist on assuming that Breitbart acted out of malice, i.e. that he knew the tape was edited to present Sherrod in the worst possible light; that he knew Sherrod was referring to a past experience and deliberately misrepresented Sherrod as describing a recent experience in her (then) current job. Has it not occured to you, that Breitbart may have been attempting to employ leftist tactics against the left, without necessarily being motivated like a leftist?

    Which is a round about way of saying that Breitbart intended no more than to offer an example of the RaaaaassssisssstTAH! lie that’s routinely offered up by the left being in fact true when the cameras are turned on them? The fact that his case wasn’t as strong as he was lead to believe (or merely wanted to believe) only means that his intention carried imperfectly, not that it was malicious. Stop letting Big Brother do the pre-thinking for you, man.

    And by the by, the more Sherrod speaks, the more willing I am to go with “fake but accurate.”

  476. - That link is being stubborn sdferr – I’ll have to try it again later…..

  477. Boiled Charlie being central Madison:

    The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts. But the most common and durable source of factions has been the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. Those who are creditors, and those who are debtors, fall under a like discrimination. A landed interest, a manufacturing interest, a mercantile interest, a moneyed interest, with many lesser interests, grow up of necessity in civilized nations, and divide them into different classes, actuated by different sentiments and views. The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of modern legislation, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.

  478. Nishi was here? Was she fingering her WWMD* bracelet?

    *What Would Mengele Do?

  479. jeez Ernst I knew the tape was selectively cut the first time I saw it and you can tell cause I commented contemporaneously … it’s not a job for Scooby and the game she says that a certain policy had just been enacted and if you google that policy you know that she’s talking about the 80s – and you already knew something like that was the case cause of the tenses and words she used

    That’s just sort of a silly argument that he didn’t know.

  480. and the game? jeez. and the gang I meaned

  481. One minor thing I’ve wondered more than a couple of times the last day or so is, who changes tape in this day and age?

  482. - Cost of tuning in to watch the Mr.B show…..20 minutes of my time…

    – Cost of watching the TV developments… 4 hours or so of my time….

    – Cost of watching the NAACP and Bumbblefuck make complete fools of themselves…..priceless

  483. #472 Comment by happyfeet on 7/22 @ 11:07 pm # :

    Just used to illustrate that the quality of your mercy is pretty well strained.

  484. it’s not a very good illustration for many reasons I should prefer not to discuss

  485. You’re still operating from the assumption that he knew the rest of the tape was (or was likely to be) “exculpatory” instead of more of the same.

    And exculpatory is in scare quotes because her epiphany on race amounts to coming to agreement w/ the late unlamented Robert Byrd that there are white “negroes” too.

    Which, come to think of it, explains why racism unites the Democrat party instead of tearing it apart.

  486. pancake makeup and
    orange/ dear orange..
    and tint…
    so the so
    cuz u know
    slap hands/ a tribal/ false
    FALSE?FALSE1
    uno theses days
    uno this drama
    unoo this wierd
    cuz u bleed
    alice cooper yo

    1
    only women bleed/ carp/ kar

    .K.ARRRRcarpe diem slow
    get the no no pause’ let it ..
    flow
    but

  487. #488 Comment by happyfeet on 7/22 @ 11:30 pm #:

    And we are all thankful for that. And now that it is 1:30 am EST/DST I must go to bed because I do have work tomorrow. Yes – the office is one mile away and getting there is a breeze, but I still have to be polite to my co-workers and shower after I launch from my bed.

  488. - Shirley has Bumbblefuck by the short and fuzzies, and the NAACP even more so.

    – I bet she knows where a lot of bodies are burried in both organizations. She can pretty much name her own price depending on how sharp she is, but she’s into the wild heady new attention thing, so she’s the most dangerous of creatures to the Left right now.

    – She’s throwing a lot of not so veiled threats around concerning litigation, but her lawyers know she doesn’t have any tryable case concerning the tapes. What she’s doing is lobbing shots across the USDA, Bummblefuck, and the NAACP’s bow, because she certainly does have a case against the people that fired her with….. wait for it…..

    *PREJUICE!!!!*

    – We may need lots and lots of popcorn……

  489. - you get a chance slide a “D” in there for me Darleen…..the irony is too delicious to waste…..

  490. They’ll buy her off before it comes to that, BBH.

  491. You’re still operating from the assumption that he knew the rest of the tape was (or was likely to be) “exculpatory” instead of more of the same.

    That doesn’t even mesh with what Team Breitbart says in their defense Mr. Ernst.

    Did Breitbart really excise or ignore the exculpatory portion of Sherrod’s remarks? The initial version of the video included Sherrod’s change-of-heart conclusion that she ought to engage in class warfare rather than race warfare. Her subsequent remarks (the ones that were supposedly edited out) simply built on that theme.*

    See? So according to Team Breitbart Andy knew she wasn’t a racist when he wrote that she “she discriminates against people due to their race.”

    not a super-ethical guy our Andrew huh

  492. good night Mikey and Mr. Hunter and also Mr. Ernst I am tired too

    just the one “she” above will do the trick I think

  493. Against dead lame ducks:

    How then to prevent a runaway lame-duck Congress? Bring the issue up now — applying the check-and-balance of the people’s will before it disappears the morning after Election Day. Every current member should be publicly asked: In the event you lose in November — a remote and deeply deplorable eventuality, but still not inconceivable — do you pledge to adhere to the will of the electorate and, in any lame-duck session of Congress, refuse to approve anything but the most routine legislation required to keep the government functioning?

    The Democrats could, of course, make the pledge today and break it tomorrow. Call me naive, but I can’t believe anyone would be that dishonorable.

  494. You read that and you see a not super-ethical guy who maliciously ran with a falsehood. I read that and I see a decision to excise material because it was more of the same. I also think it supports my point that Sherrod and Byrd are opposite sides of the same coin.

  495. - Except this past election was a bit different in that the Dems said outright they were intending to turn us toward socialism, but they bought the votes they needed to overcome any resistance. So in that sense they were fairly up front about their intentions, counting on peoples greed and lack of understanding of just what that meant.

    – Problem is they have not been able to deliver, even though they’ve done the financial damage, so they’re damned in all directions.

  496. Jeff,

    Your thoughts on any issue involving language are always worth reading. I agree with nearly all of it.

    Thanks!

  497. - The Left displays an abdurant insistance on rejecting any input of common sense and experienced based wisdom if it shows the slightest sign of interferring with their plans or debasing their utopian ideals. It’s the fatal flaw seed self destruction of their ideological approach to everything they do.

    – So the Dems tried to completely alter our complex and unweildy system and failed as many of us knew they would. That’s a done deal.

    – The bigger worry now is can anybody put it back on some stable course. It would be an immense job with everyone pulling together and in accord with a common goal. With the divisiveness we actually see it’s problematical if its even possible now.

  498. my ass hurts/
    from clinchinng
    and the colour blindness..
    but i be whee voting
    like mabel says
    u got a boogie in ur nostrils
    but u be awright by mmmmm me!

  499. I got this.

    happy is illustrating the absurd with absurdity. I didn’t get it until I saw the Vilsack quote again. “This is a good woman.”

    At first it was “pull your El Dorado over and resign right now!” Now it’s this poor woman is a good woman victim.

    When in fact, this “good woman” is really an opportunistic, female Jesse Sharpton, cum guzzling, semen soaked, jizz bucket, who will use her 15 minutes as evidence in the civil-suit – Sherrod v Anyone.

    Why didn’t I see it sooner? Sorry happy. It’s genius.

  500. So according to Team Breitbart Andy knew she wasn’t a racist when he wrote that she “she discriminates against people due to their race.”

    Someone who discriminates against people due to their race is a bigot. That is not the same thing as a racist in the proper use of the term.

  501. I wouldn’t say Breitbart punked the NAACP and the administration so much as they punked themselves.

    Andrew Breitbart steered this ship to where it’s headed. He did enable whatever results you’ll see from this. I’m predicting the results will be a positive.

    Having lit the fuse on Saint Shirley is priceless.

  502. #

    Comment by newrouter on 7/22 @ 8:50 pm #

    For the life of me I cannot understand three phase motors.

    360 deg = circle. position magnets at 120 deg. 3×120=360. each magnet is a phase. apply electric potential.

    Three phase AC motors don’t use magnets. At least the industrial ones I’m used to. I use up to two hp DC motors with magnets, but none that run on three phase. 220V yes, but 110 and 110.

  503. happy is illustrating the absurd with absurdity.

    Well, after all, he is in advertising. Seems he should be able to know how to win friends and influence peoples without all the extry baggages of…well, I won’t further cause g00gle to shit bricks because they’ve discovered certain word combinations in the comments that excite their advertisers…

    JeffG, you should disable g00gle’s ability to follow spam links. I’m not so checked out on the process, but it involves using the “nofollow” clause in your meta tags. And, if you could find a way to keep g00gle out of the comments completely (or gag happyfeet), that might stop their temper tantrums. Or, just switch sides: Sully doesn’t have this problem, I’ll warrant.

  504. ….all I’m sayin’ is we should keep an eye on this smegma-snortin’, fumunda cheese-chewin’, dingleberry-divin’, back-acne poppin’ and suckin’, scrotum wart-nibblin’ hoochie, to see how much cabbage she’s planning to grift out of the tax payers. That kinda thing adds to the deficit.

  505. you guys have had your breakfast, right?

  506. - She’s throwing a lot of not so veiled threats around concerning litigation, but her lawyers know she doesn’t have any tryable case concerning the tapes.

    She’d also be hard pressed to show damages, now that she’s been offered the USDA job, as well as apparently being on the CNN payroll.

  507. jeez Ernst I knew the tape was selectively cut the first time I saw it and you can tell cause I commented contemporaneously … it’s not a job for Scooby and the game she says that a certain policy had just been enacted and if you google that policy you know that she’s talking about the 80s – and you already knew something like that was the case cause of the tenses and words she used

    That’s just sort of a silly argument that he didn’t know.

    Right, it was perfectly obvious! Which you can tell because of the way she got fired without anyone wanting to hear a word she had to say.

  508. Brietbart’s point was that the NAACP audience did not get the vapors after Shirley revealed her racism

    that was not his point as was made clear by the text in the video I think…. that’s his very weak point ex-post facto… the idea that we should be validating this sort of audience reaction gotcha game is really a head scratcher

    Yeah, Jesus. That’s totally made clear by the text in the video. In fact, here’s the three paragraphs right before the video in his post.

    We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.

    In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn’t do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”. She refers him to a white lawyer.

    Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance.

    Do you see anything at all about how his point might have something to do with audience reaction?

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say happyfeet is a lying liar and a big meanie stupidhead what isn’t being very civic at all with his bad faith smearings of Mr. Breitbart.

  509. Right, it was perfectly obvious! Which you can tell because of the way she got fired without anyone wanting to hear a word she had to say.

    Wish I would have thought of that. Good point Pablo.

  510. “Happyfeet is the church lady.”

    I was thinking more like one of the little old men in the balcony on the Muppets tv show.

  511. Morning has broken, and I see that Mrs. Sherrod is still a sweet, cookie baking, granny, plucked from a street corner and sentenced to… where was it? Ah, yes, Devil’s Island.

    Though I rarely comment (and thank you Mikey NTH, but I have no idea what force it is that motivates me when I do, but when it’s gone, it’s gone) I read enough here to suspect that Carin could be one of my neighbors. In a Metro Area sense, which expands the sense of neighborhood by many square miles compared to other places. It’s the freeways, and the fact that, well, we drive everywhere.

    There is a national sense of this area, thanks in part to Eminem, that 8 Mile is some kind of Mason Dixon Line, and there’s no racial mixing across it. That’s too bad, because I think we actually have something good here, and it’s strong enough to have weathered the extraordinary stresses of our one state depression. Detroit has been emptying out, steadily, for many years, and those fleeing haven’t all been white. Those people haven’t vanished into smoke – they’ve moved into the surrounding suburbs. Guess what? They’re my neighbors, my friends, and we all chit chat while we water our lawns, buy lemonade from each others kid’s stands, and watch each others houses when we’re out of town.

    Add in the many ethnic groups that live here (Chaldean and Muslim Arabs, the Jewish community that moved here from the Dexter Davison area, and the Russian Jews they’ve helped to escape here), and you have a lot of different kinds of people trying live good lives in close proximity.

    I had a friend from college that lived in a pretty crappy neighborhood in Detroit. We kept in touch and decided to get together one night to catch up. I picked her up at her mother’s house. Now, she’d told me that her mother didn’t like white people, but I expected her to – at least attempt – to hide her attitudes, and I hadn’t really thought that much about her mother’s racism for a while. When I went into her house, her mother didn’t say one word to me, and kind of glared, but I assumed it had to do with the fact that I was older (friend was just turned 18, started school younger than usual, and I was 22), and she was concerned that I would drag her daughter off to some bar and get her drunk. When we got to my car, I asked if her mom was okay with us going out, and would it help if I told her that we were just going for coffee? My friend was embarrassed to admit that her mother’s rudeness was 100% about the fact that I was white.

    Embarrassed. See? Because, at least around here, overt racism is as shameful when it comes from black people as it is when it comes from white people. We all know that there are some neanderthals among us that still think that way, but most of them are polite enough to keep it to themselves, because they know that their attitudes would be unacceptable to 99% of the people around them. Even if the people around them are all the same color that they are, racist language will get them shunned.

    Hearing a grown woman speak in such starkly racist terms is jarring to me. Maybe it’s just me. Maybe in other places it’s more commonplace to hear people speak that way so openly. My husband told me about his experience, while in the Tacoma WA area, going to a blues bar with an all black clientele. It’s something we wouldn’t hesitate to do here – in fact, it would be hard to find an all-black or all-white nightclub here – and he grew up going to clubs just like it because his mom dated a lot of blues musicians, white and black. My first house was around the corner from Baker’s Keyboard Lounge, and it’s the one place I miss since I stopped going out (due to chronic illness). Apparently it doesn’t work that way everywhere, and he was asked by the owner of the Tacoma bar to stop coming in, because there had been threatening remarks from some of the regulars and couldn’t guarantee his safety.

    I suppose I could try to view this woman through a lens that finds racist prattle acceptable from black people, but I prefer to stand my ground, and insist that, if it would sound ugly and wrong from a white woman, then it’s ugly and wrong, and this woman is old enough to know better. Especially when she knows that she’s speaking into a microphone, in front of cameras, and not in the privacy of her own home. Nothing that she’s said since this video was released has convinced me that she’s learned a damn thing, or had any kind of racial epiphany.

    My god, if this person was white and spoke this way about black people, she’d be vilified by the same people who are defending her. It’s not even possible to construct a parallel, because, even the existence of a NAAWP would be considered racist in itself. I’m not arguing that such a group is necessary, only that the NAACP wasn’t formed to be an all black club for people to sit around and complain about whitey. If the members have become so comfortable with listening to speakers diss on superior acting white people, and Amening and Uh Huhing in response, then this organization has wandered too far from its charter, and they need to make a choice; fix this mess, or lose the support of decent Americans.

  512. You have to go overseas to get good news reporting. Breitbart, for the win~!

    The Tea Party movement has energised the American right in the past few months and one of the most effective tactics of the American left against it has been to argue that it’s somewhat racist in tone – or at least, that it doesn’t do enough to control a racist fringe.

    That charge has come in the main from the NAACP, acting as a kind of proxy for the Democrats. Clearly it would limit the effectiveness of the tea-partiers if they had to spend all their energies fighting charges of racism.

    So the attack on Mrs Sherrod was a kind of counter-blast from the right against the NAACP, putting it on the defensive on race and making it look frankly ridiculous.

    It may seem harsh that Mrs Sherrod got caught up in it all, as collateral damage, but American politics is a tough neighbourhood in election year.

  513. You know, I just caught the song at #348. I can’t believe I missed it last night! I guess it’s easy to miss stuff when a thread begins to become as epic as this one has.

    But happyfeet should take notice of it, and heed its advice.

  514. ….all I’m sayin’ is we should keep an eye on this smegma-snortin’, fumunda cheese-chewin’, dingleberry-divin’, back-acne poppin’ and suckin’, scrotum wart-nibblin’ hoochie, to see how much cabbage she’s planning to grift out of the tax payers.

    al, that’s a frame worthy string of adjectives, bro!

  515. Rebecca: Please comment more often. What you wrote above resonated with me.

    Mrs. Sherrod, despite her transforming transformation and efficacious epiphany …

    Just … Can’t … Help … Herself!

    But when asked by CNN Chief National Correspondent John King what she would say to Breitbart, Sherrod did not dance around the question.

    “I’d tell him he’s a liar. He knew exactly what effect that would have on not only – he knew what effect that would have on the conservative, racist people he’s dealing with. That’s why I started getting the hate mail. And that’s why I started getting the hate calls. He got the effect he was looking for,” Sherrod said on John King, USA.

    And just like that we come full circle back to the starting point of this whole sorry mess. Mrs. Sherrod READS BREITBART’S MIND and assigns him the “Imma gonna rouse up the reichwing racists!11″ message as a tool to further enhance her victim hood, echoing the original NAACP demand that the Tea Party expunge itself of racism.

    I’m now somewhat less sympathetic to Trans-formative Shirley than I was a minute ago … and less sure of her self described neutral hue transformation.

    Jd may denounce me now!

  516. Look, I’ve got a black friend! I’m exonerated from all charges of racism now, right?

  517. My god, if this person was white and spoke this way about black people, she’d be vilified by the same people who are defending her. It’s not even possible to construct a parallel, because, even the existence of a NAAWP would be considered racist in itself.

    The NAAWP is called Stormfront, or the Aryan Nations, and you are correct.

    You also should comment more often.

  518. Nobody believes you, Racist!

    It should be noted that while Mrs. Sherrod was cranking up the Racial Victim Hood Crystal Ball and dropping it on Breitbart … not a peep about the actual people who were screeching at her to quit.

    Racists? Inquiring minds want to know.

  519. Bob if the Tea Party wants to engage the people what are calling them racists and “push back,” this was a stupid way to do it. They were already in a position to very easily no muss no fuss counter allegations of racisms cause of their issues were race agnostic. We’ll see what happens next but they’re not as above the fray as they were before are they? No. This Jim VandeHei has it right right right but look how the conversation is retarded by the fact that all there is to say about the Tea Party and race is that they’re not racist. Jim hits all the right notes but see where it goes…

    VANDEHEI: Especially – this is a terrible issue to be talking about.

    CAPEHART: But then we can-

    VANDEHEI: And it’s the reason that Barack Obama does not want to talk about it. Barack Obama has tried very-

    CAPEHART: But then we can never have a conversation about race if – I mean, you have – it’s all about nuance.

    VANDEHEI: I feel like we’ve been having a conversation p about race for a long, long time in this country-

    CAPEHART: We always will.

    we can rinse lather repeat a thoooosand times but I don’t think we’re gonna make any progress against the spendings doing this

  520. Seconding BJTexs, Rebecca.

    Hmmm. Ms. Sherrod & a certain frequent commenter seem to view Breitbart through the same prism.

    And Pablo: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/gift.html

    Print it out and consider yourself Absolved.

  521. Ha, Ernst! I think you just put JD out of a job as our serial denouncer!

    WE are pardoned, JD! Your denouncements no mean NOTHING!!!!!!!

    BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  522. Bob if the Tea Party wants to engage the people what are calling them racists and “push back,” this was a stupid way to do it.

    Alrighty then, Mr. Expert Salesman Happyfeet, exactly what would you recommend a client do when his product is being tainted by some sort of rival firm’s lies and distortions? Ignore it and let it fester in the minds of the buying public?

    ‘feets, you are becoming the most tiresome poster on this entire site. I can now understand why Allah set you out curbside. I’ve got much tolerance for opposing viewpoints, but you, you’re couching your narrative against the Tea Party, against Sarah Palin, against Religion and Mrs. Tebow in terms that are very soothing to the Left. If you are doing this just to get laid by that nishtrash, I hope your dick rots and falls off afterwards.

    That is all.

  523. I have no narrative against the Tea Party other than they should have stayed the course Mr. serr8d and not gotten into a playground fight about racisms. This was a disaster. I think. You may not thinks so but I don’t see any reason to pretend this was some sort of masterstroke on behalf of the Tea Party. What was done to Shirley was wrong, and if the Tea Party can’t say so then they’re only going to sink deeper into an argument what is wholly unrelated to their aims.

  524. The Dan Rather of the right

    Yup. That’s Breitbart alright. Just makin’ stuff up. Shirley Sherrod isn’t even a real person. Just some actress he hired. In blackface.

  525. Bullshiite, ‘feets. This is the best thing that could’ve happened.

    What is your recommendation to your client, Mr. SalesForce Extraordinaire ? Let’s consider the product, and not your longing for acceptance by the gal.

  526. and I’m sorry if I soothe the left, which I find a lot doubtful, but the left is quite handily destroying America in ways what are wholly unrelated to race and racisms… if they can bog their most energized and cogent opposition down in a silly argument about race while they’re doing it then they should feel a rather soothing flush of success I would guess

  527. we already talked about recommendations… I said the Tea Party should talk abut how dirty socialisms are destructive to minorities same as everybody else… that idea was considered stupid so I retracted it and went back to the position that it’s probably best for the Tea Party to just say hey we’re not racist we’re very worried about the spendings.

    I’ll note again though that nobody else has any whizbanger recommendations either apart from the ever popular “pushing back.”

  528. happyfeet,
    I’m not getting why 523 is addressed at me? All I’ve done this morning was comment on other people’s comments, and last night I talked about choclate and 3 phase motors.

    I don’t get it, did you mean someone else?

  529. I’m surrounded by ‘real’ excellence in sales, by a team that, if it included the likes of you, ‘feets, would crash and implode and none of us would be able to feed the baby. I don’t understand what sort of team would be benefited by your inclusion on it, ‘feets. Not one that actually sells real product, really.

  530. oh just cause you said I should heed the advice about the song I’m trying to tell you why that is difficult for me to do cause of I think what Mr. Breitbart done on that woman was an Injustice

  531. serr8d my job isn’t to be a salesman for Team R our the Tea people, is it? My job is to comment and tell you what I think about stuff.

  532. *or* the Tea people I mean

  533. Walter Williams is a funny dude. Once substituting for Rush he revealed he had bought Mrs.Williams a pair of Golf cleats for Christmas so she wouldn’t slip on the ice while washing his car in the winter.

  534. Let’s hope you are not in ‘real’ ‘sales’, ‘feets. For the good of whatever real product you are in ‘real’ ‘sales’ for. Or, better, that it’s a competitive product to mine.

  535. serr8d my job isn’t to be a salesman for Team R our the Tea people, is it? My job is to comment and tell you what I think about stuff.

    What is Andrew Breitbart’s job?

  536. Andrew Breitbart’s job right now is to apologize to Shirley I think.

  537. And anyway, who cares what those guys have to say anyway; especially on the un-watched Dylan Ratigan show. By the way, your link to newsbusters is screwy on 523.

    Capehart is a pipsqueak, trying to be a more nuanced version of Eugene Robinson; I guess he wants to be a professional race-baiter like Gene when he grows up, or something.

    But I guess saying that makes me a racist anyway. Paging Dr. JD, denouncement and condemnation needed on aisle 5…

  538. Did Andrew Breitbart fire Saint Shirley, ‘feets? Who fired Saint Shirley?

    Andrew Breitbart did a wondrous thing. He set off this chain reaction that’s left the Left looking ridiculous. It’s always a good thing when that happens.

  539. Ok happyfeet, now I get it. But all I was saying about that person’s song thinger is that they seemed to be sayin’ not to be afraid of folks tossing out the race card is all. It’s kind of the same as what Jeff said.

    I just found it amusing, like alpuccino’s comment.

  540. thank you here is the link

  541. I thought it was amusing too

  542. 500 plus comments in and what is most telling about this whole story is the fact (yes fact) that the story is no longer about the racist bent of the NAACP, Breitbart’s supposed illustration of the tactic the media uses to smear conservatives as racist without evidence and how these tables can be turned or the hyper-awareness of the administration to criticism on domestic policy. Nope, the story is now that Breitbart is a liar and he smeared a saint. One problem with using the left’s tactics against them is that they control the space. It’s like Iran’s air superiority fighter, it’s not going to happen. They way to beat this is not to use their tactics, it’s to reject their tactics. Remember, Washington won by retreating.

  543. I don’t think she’s a saint I think she’s a feller merkin.

  544. you are right about the tactics Mr. Cookies I think

  545. commiemarx, you need to watch all 42 minutes of the video. Saint Shirley, isn’t. She, like most members of the NAACP, is at least a low-level racist; the reaction of the crowd is evidence to that.

    And a Republican-hater, and Bush-Basher. Got Hatch Act ?

  546. Heh. Breitbart wasn’t irked, commiemarx. He delivered a crashing blow to the swollen heads of the Leftards who’ve wielded the RAAAAACIST! cudgel for generations now.

    I’d hate to be downrange of him when he’s really irked.

  547. OK, I’ll catch you fine folks later. I’ve gotta get back to building my new free-jet wind tunnel. BBL…

  548. “commiemarx, you need to watch all 42 minutes of the video. Saint Shirley, isn’t. ”

    I watched a bunch of the video. She ain’t no saint.

    No she isn’t… or wasn’t. But she is now, her “uplifting story” is now the story, and, as Breitbart hoped would be the case, not a lot of people will watch the whole video, they’ll listen to the Jackass on CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, BBC and even Fox tell you that this woman had a racial epiphany and deserves an apology because “Breitbart Lied and people got FIRED!”. Nothing that comes from Breitbart will be true from now on. He could fly to Africa and interview Elvis, Jim Morrison and Bruce Lee in their monastery and return with film, DNA and fingerprints (hard to do, since you get a body cavity search from Momma Cass before you leave) and he’d still be a liar.

  549. Wow, a day later and over 550 comments in, and happyfeet is still trying to pin a Breitbart story on “The Tea Party,” as if the Tea Party is some singular thing made up of vetted constituents walking in lockstop and sharing talking points. It’s sad, really.

    Almost as sad as his suggestion that, after all I’ve written on the subject about how to deal with the left on race, all he pretends I’ve advocated for is “pushing back,” which he doesn’t find a particularly useful strategy, mostly because it is vague and blowhardy and has no substancy substance substance. Whereas he’s come up with the novel idea of suggesting that set-aside programs, etc., not only add to unnecessary spending, but they hurt those they are ostensibly formed to help!

    If only others had thought to make that argument! Or to make the argument that identity group politics runs counter to the founding ideals. Or that identity narratives, given that they are policed incestuously by those who claim authenticity — and bracket counter narratives coming from those within the identity group who are in the minority, and so become “inauthentic” — create consensus truths, and are a direct assault on the idea of individual autonomy. And so on.

    No. All we hicktard wingbillies do is hitch up our Sunday jeans and shake our fists at the big bad gummint, screaming “y’all need to join me in pushing back!”

    Like I said yesterday: people like happy would be more comfortable as conservatives /classical liberals if conservatives and classical liberals would just be more like leftists, who are hip and fresh and now, and who shop in organic markets, eat designer cupcakes, and chat about the latest in pop culture camp.

    If only. But a guy can dream, can’t he?

  550. But Jeff…I thought it was hip to be square.

  551. Oh, and I like the “hicktard wingbillies” snark too.

  552. Commiemarx, remember when the NAACP vowed to investigate the disturbing crowd reaction? No? I do.

  553. I never really said that about the set-asides I was more aiming for regulatory overreachings and other job-killing policies what the dirty socialists are fond of. But mostly I think letting themselves get dragged into the racial mire by our friend Andrew was unwise for our Tea Party friends. If Andrew says he is a Tea Partier and he writes that he wanted to shoine a spotlight on Shirley cause of what the NAACP done on the Tea Party, then I think the Tea Party is implicated and is gonna be affected by this, especially since they were busily disassociating from racist letter guy right as this stunt was launched.

    But that’s ok get up tea party walk it off walk it off it’s gonna be fine here’s a powerpoint about the spendings now go out there and show them what you can do!

  554. the harvest left no food for you to eat
    you cannibal, you meat-eater, you see
    but I have seen the same and I know the shame in your defeat

    but I will hold on hope and I won’t let you choke
    on the noose around your neck*

    that song reminds me of America a lot

  555. *shine* a spotlight on Shirley

    what’s happenin’ rog?

  556. Yes. The Tea Partiers (you can tell who they are by the hats and the uniforms) let themselves get dragged into a mire. By, like, being conservativey like Andrew. What one does, the entirety is responsible for.

    Staunchest.

  557. I never imagined these things to be so ideological.

    And I don’t give a fuck what you’ve imagined, thought, or said.

    When I see you outraged over the latest decidedly non-racist conservative being publicly slimed as “racist” by one of your fellow-travelers, I’ll maybe reconsider. Until then, you can take your showy tut-tutting, wrap it around a large halibut, and shove it up you squeakhole.

  558. So Commiemarx what specific ‘new facts’ have shown up to change the contemporaneous expressions of support for Sherrod’s confessed racist behavior?

  559. Have the NAACP explained why their initial statement of concern is no longer operative?

  560. That they were somehow bamboozled into acknowledging that open support of racist expressions is, you know, wrong.

  561. here’s a powerpoint about the spendings

    happyfeet, if you had spent any time on a high school forensics team in the 1980s, you’d know that all spendings, however unneccessary & idiotic, may be paid for through the simple and unchallengable expediency of 1) raising taxes on the rich, and 2) eliminating spending on programs like the B-1 Bomber and the MX missle.

  562. hey, as long as they have commiemarx and his soul mates on JournoList to sanitize the news, NAALCP doesn’t have to investigate anything.

  563. Funny, they also said they were bamboozled by Fox, which had strangely not aired anything at all.

    Yes, I also wonder what new facts change the crowd reax.

  564. Swordfish, Jeff, swordfish. Or maybe sea urchin. Always tailor the ordnance to suit the mission.

  565. For being so willing to decry racism at every other turn Ben Jealous sure seems awful quiet – why no sit down where he and an interviewer can review the tape and show us all why what the audience did was perfectly acceptable.

  566. the NAACP said they were ’snookered’?

    Would that be by Fox News? Before Fox News had even reported on it? But we ALL know the NAA[L]CP would NEVER lie, unimpeachable MORAL AUTHORITEH being a bequest to permanent victim status groups.

  567. that’s a pretty nifty song huh

  568. do not belittle the cupcake as a treat like it was something you give your dog a cupcake is something you encounter and experience and mourn when it’s gone

  569. You might want to google ‘contemporaneous’ before you conclude you have addressed the question.

  570. Here’s a hint – the audience expressed audible acceptance of her racism at the time she said it. They had no way of knowing where she was going with the story at the time. Meaning they were ok with her being a racist.

    You cant change that, and neither can the NAACP.

  571. Why do I have an image of commiemarx scuttling back to talking points central saying ‘they’re not buying the bullshit?’

  572. At which point Sherrod had already resigned.

    So, was the the NAACP snookered by Sherrod too?

  573. They had no way of knowing where she was going with the story at the time.

    what? The chuckling ones probably had been to many NAACP meetings what didn’t devolve into orgies of whitey hate so they had no reason to expect that would happen here. But do we really want to be policing reactions? Maybe they had what they themselves now think to be an ill-considered reaction. There’s just not a lot you can take away from that and when Mr. Breitbart recasts his stunt as being all about saying hey look at how these people react to this racist black lady he’s LYING. For the reaction to be freighted with anti-white racisms what they were reacting to first had to be established as being viciously evil racisms most foul.

    But what if the NAACP people did engage in inappropriate rueful chortling? What do we want to say about that? That the NAACP should be ignored when they call our Tea Party friends racist cause of the NAACP hates black people… see you can tell here watch this tape that is DISTINCTLY racist chuckling. No. Nonono. I think what we want to say actually is that the NAACP should be ignored when they call our Tea Party friends racist cause our Tea Party friends are in fact NOT racist they are very nice.

  574. Happy you are far too obviously willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to anyone other than Andrew Breitbart and -by association- the TEA parties.

    You are the transparency Obama promised us.

  575. - Apparently Bumbblefuck finally was able to reach Ms Shirley. Of course selected portions of the conversation was given to CNN. Aside from the consummate whoring by the Leftwing media, the excuse given by the WH for the delay was that the Emperor was unable to reach her for the better part of three days.

    – That this sort of idiotic excuse would insult even the vast intelligence of a Harry Reid, the man who can count to 60, seems to be of no concern to the Leftturd commune. The fact that it gives you really warm fuzzies that our fearless leader is hoping to find Bin Laden in the hills of Pakistan when he can’t even find a black woman in the streets of New York screams to the extent of just how fucked we really are.

  576. Maybe you can pass your argument along to Ben Jealous, then he can try to make it fly.

  577. Why do I have an image of commiemarx scuttling back to talking points central saying ‘they’re not buying the bullshit?’

    Were that the case, the quality of the bullshit would be superior.

  578. 590 was addressed at Cupcakes, in case there was any doubt.

  579. “So, was the the NAACP snookered by Sherrod too?”

    Their statement said they talked to her after they were first snookered by breitbart and fox. Are you not familiar with the primary sources here? Maybe you should just look at those.

    So who is snookering people with this line “Before Fox News had even reported on it?” Is that fox news running around saying that? And you guys were buying it huh?

  580. Still haven’t figured out the whole contemporaneous thing, have you?

    Racist is as racist does.

  581. Nobody is buying what you’re peddling, ommiemax. ‘Cept maybe happyfeet. Try over at Patterico’s.

    Sherrod’s subsequent statements, and just about everything in her past, demonstrates that she sees the world through the lens of race and class. Yes, parts of her biography explain why she might have formed certain ideas. But unless we believe her to be some exotic noble savage frozen in a state of perpetual romantic innocence, we can reasonably expect that improvements in racial relations since 1950 would be quite obvious, even to someone with her history; and so we can also reasonably conclude that her desire to keep the world focused through those favored lenses of hers speaks more to her own self interest than it does to any description of American culture today.

    She owes me an apology for calling me racist. It isn’t racist to disagree with the President’s policies. In fact, it’s liberal, in the real sense of the word.

    So fuck her, fuck you, and fuck anyone else who wants to try to tar me with those kind of brushes.

  582. If you are not a racist you would never positively acknowledge an expression of racism, that you did would be evidence of racism.

  583. . Are you not familiar with the primary sources here?

    You mean, like, the full video, owned by the NAACP?

    Happy: really, dude. This “see? I’m one of the good ones!”-pose of yours may win you a room in the big house, but it’s rather disturbing to witness. Why not take it to a site that people actually read? It’ll serve you better there. I fear all your efforts are being wasted on a has been site.

  584. ommiemax’s “style” is too close to meya’s, so I think I’ll skip its vomitous excretions altogether.

    And I will second (as usual) Jeff’s #595. Fuck the bint. Anyone saying she’s a “good ” lady sounds too much like someone calling Obama a “good” man. Where is the evidence? She has since shown her true colors. I think the “story” of her redemption has been greatly exaggerrated.

  585. If this is a “has been” site, then I don’t want to be an “is now” person. God bless you, Jeff for all you do and for ALL you have done.

  586. “And you guys were buying it huh?”

    – Yeh I’m buying it douschebag, because I witnessed it with my own two eyes, just like the vast majority of America.

    – You see there’s this little thing called a “timeline”. You can ignore it and play the kings new clothes and all the heads in the star chamber will nod their approval, but the majority of viewers know different dildo breath.

  587. Can’t we all just get along? Holy shit, I’m smarter than ommiemax and all his/her coterie of race baiting idiots.

  588. I think one step in looking at the improvement in racial relations since 1950’s that would be relevant to look at here would be Reagan administration’s elimination of the USDA’s office of civil rights. I’m sure that was a HUGE improvement.

    See, this isn’t an argument. It’s an oblique (and wannabe fraught) stand in for thought.

    Show me how race relations were set back under Reagan — then later, under the Contract with America. And we can compare that with how the Great Society programs have benefited minorities.

    It’ll be a blast!

  589. The chuckling ones probably had been to many NAACP meetings what didn’t devolve into orgies of whitey hate so they had no reason to expect that would happen here. But do we really want to be policing reactions?

    Egads! and Zounds! all around happyfeet. A link to a Pat Buchanan piece shows up at the top of Drudge and it’s “WE’RE ALL DOOMED! DOOOOMMMMEDDuh!!!! I SAY!!!!”

    If only you had as much empathy for those on the side you claim to support.

  590. No in fact much simpler — just the statements made by the NAACP.

    Oh. See, when you said “primary sources” I thought you meant, like, primary sources. My bad.

    — Although I still don’t understand how the NAACP’s condemnation letter and such — given that they own the full video, and had that at their disposal — is the fault of anyone other than the NAACP, and their rush to get out in front of this by expressing their OUTRAGE!

    I guess in leftist land, we can forgive the NAACP for being snookered by others, even when they were snookered by a tape they own. I mean, they’re black, after all. It’s a wonder they were able to write a response in the first place! At least, one that didn’t rhyme.

  591. Anyone interested in choclate can email me, change the gmail to hotmail.com. I buy it from the factory in Curridibat for about $25.00 per five kilo blocks. I use it for baking, ice cream topping and at Christmas we make hand-made choclates as gifts for friends. My wife will not let me give it to our 8 year old, because the last time I did, we woke up at 2 am with him sitting between us in bed channel surfing the TV. The seeds are encased in a small covering that many people eat when the fruit is fresh and the fruit is often sold in supermarkets. The fruit is popular here with teens.

  592. Are you not familiar with what was happening with the USDA, with black farmers, and how she was in the middle of that? Or is it all just obvious “improvements in racial relations since 1950?” Can’t you see how much better race relations got once we eliminated the office of civil rights at USDA? No more black farmers with grievances!

    I’m familiar. Evidently the number of those who were discriminated against and are receiving payoffs far exceeded the number of actual farmers.

    Talk about a racist pandemic! It was so bad that even those who weren’t hurt by it are now hurt by it and need government monies to make things right!

  593. And of course, there’s the whole problem of not being able to file a grievance unless there’s a federal agency at the head of such a thing. Only those in Washington can make things right. Just as the founders wanted it.

  594. “Indeed. And the timeline shows this being reported on the foxnews website as early as monday evening. followed later by the NAACP statement that it was snookered by breitbart and fox.”

    – Nice deflection, except its the wrong question.

    – No one cares when they issued the bullshit excuse for acting like a boat load of idiots. That’s after the fact. The question is why they fired her before they knew the facts, bothered to even review the tape which they had in their posession all along BEFORE it was reported on fox OR the website.

    – The timeline for each event shows that sequence as recorded, so the stupid excuses just make the NAACP look even more foolish.

  595. If Charlie Rangold gets zinged by the House Ethics Committee then be prepared for the race card to get pulled out of the NAACP’s wallet.
    This whole situation seems odd with Sherrod. Normally it is some poor white schmuck who loses his job for this kind of “insensitivity”. I guess we really don’t know how to properly react when it happens to some black person.

  596. William, due to the fact that you are sub-human, I’ll dispense with the niceties. Fuck off. And know this, if you are ever on my property, I will beat the holy hell out of you. Now go back to your suffering in silence you pathetic little thing.

  597. I am running out of things to say on this matter.

  598. Hardly, ‘09 taxes were the lowest in 60 yrs.

    Bullshit, you lying racist hilljack skin-flute player.

  599. You’re a clever guy. Funny too. You should get a job writing for Carlos Mencia.

    Is there a federal program that requires Mencia to hire Jewish writers? Or did that bastard Reagan do away with that, too?

  600. But do we really want to be policing reactions?

    That one is especially rich coming from you.

    Well that’s what the NAACP said they wanted the TEA parties to do, and that’s what prompted Breitbart to respond.

    Something that has been pointed out to you numerous times.

    But you keep forgetting that, don’t you?

  601. “Are you confusing the NAACP and the USDA?”

    – theres nothing to confuse. The two condemnating press releases came very close together, proceeding any reports by Fox. So it would seem that you’re the one who’s confused, or possibly would like to try to confuse the issue, take your pick.

    – Either there was “other” reasons the two orgs were in a panic to throw her under the train that we still don’t know about, or the people that claim to be anti-prejudice practice predjudice as a matter of policy. Again, take your pick.

  602. Willie the racist hilljack is a lying liar what lies. So is commiemax, who is meya. But willie is more vile.

    How did Ben Jealous get snookered by something when he was there for the original? How did Fox reporting on something, defending her, AFTER she had resigned hurt her?

  603. The NAACP are a bunch of big stupids ThomasD. They trouble not the waters in the sea of my tranquility.

    No for reals I’m really running out of things to say.

  604. willie is more vile and he doesn’t have her punctuation skills

  605. - Yeh. I was you I’d get a clue and see that dog just won’t hunt, can’t hunt, the events all all timelined for all to see.

    – You’re going to need a better spin.

  606. “Is there a federal program that requires Mencia to hire Jewish writers? Or did that bastard Reagan do away with that, too?”

    Jon Stewart once accepted some award saying that he proved you could make it with only 90% jewish writers. But you’ve shown you can go far based on merit, at least for Mencia. Got any lines about hispanics, or people with developmental disabilities?

    “How did Ben Jealous get snookered by something when he was there for the original”

    Oh this is a clever one. There’s always a new twist huh? But we’re no longer on “before fox news reported it” are we?

  607. The spin isn’t going to get any better for Sherrod or the NAACP, the more she says the worse it gets. That’s why they are trying to transition into ‘move on’ mode.

  608. - No we’re not. you already got your lefturd lying face shoved up your ass on that one, so we’ve moved on.

  609. Hush, meya. You are an idiot.

  610. Ernst hasn’t gone anywhere, the vagaries of dial-up internet eating comments before they post and lunch time notwithstanding.

    My answer to the troll is: Jolly lucky for you Fox News has a website, eh? Otherwise you’d be left defending the NAA[L]CP in an out and out lie instead of just defending a half-lie. Maybe you believe the NAA[L]CP is an atypical member of the Leftist Cultural-Political complex, in that it not only pays attention to Fox News, but takes its reporting as gospel; so much so that it immediately had to issue a statement denouncing Sherrod. Me? Not so much.

  611. that sounds tasty Mr. Gulermo but I just need a little chocolate every once in awhile 5 kilos is too many

  612. Jon Stewart once accepted some award saying that he proved you could make it with only 90% jewish writers. But you’ve shown you can go far based on merit, at least for Mencia. Got any lines about hispanics, or people with developmental disabilities?

    I actually converted to Judaism so I could make Jew jokes. Like that dentist on Seinfeld. But don’t worry: I’m looking into the possibility that I have some Aztec blood in me, which gives me free reign to make jokes about stinky tacos and Montezuma’s revenge. Plus the way all the hoochies in the barrio roll their rrrrrs and move their heads when they get angry. Great stuff.

    Gonna have to wait on the developmentally disabled thing. Unfortunately, I wasn’t lucky like Sarah Palin and never got myself a prop to riff off of.

  613. - Shirley is the perfect living example of the Progressive noise machine. except this time she’s careening through the halls of collectivism, race baiting, class warfare, and reverse discrimination as policy, and dropping turds all over the landscape for all the Marxist hunni-bunnie’s to step in.

    – I feel your pain Komrads.

  614. They trouble not the waters in the sea of my tranquility.

    But they do, happyfeet. Your “spendings” and “regulations” concerns are valid, obviously paramount, but they will always couch that concern as bigotry against minorities. Always. There is no sidestepping that. Oh, sure you can show them how entitlements/out of control spending/Tax hikes have hurt the people they ostensibly say they “care” about, but that has been attempted since FDR’s administration. And at one time it was a worhtwhile strategy. But that was a different time and a different NAACP.

  615. The NAACP statement went out Monday, genius. The walkback was Tuesday. Thanks for playing.

  616. - You’ve been pwned bunky, give it up.

    – The timeline is clear. No way around it.

    – Do yourself a favor and slither back under your rock, you’re not helping your sides problems.

  617. Denial is a pretty serious affliction.

    What’s much worse is lack of self awareness and abject stupidity, which you have in spades, though, willie. Oooops, I did it again. I’m an inveterate racist.

  618. Denial is a pretty serious affliction.

    So stop denying that you’re anything but a two-digit racist hilljack.

  619. #630 Minimum amount they sell, as they make the choclate for re-sale to other corporations,(Nestle is one, I think). I buy it once or twice a year and keep it in the refrigerator in a plastic bag. Three minutes in the hummer and then on top of ciabatti toast with fresh coffee. This is caocoa that still has the allkaloids, plus sugar. I have two trees that will produce 50 to 100 fruit twice a year. They will grow in the climate of Cali, I know they grow in Mexico.

  620. - The NAACP clearly acted perniciously in Shirley’s case.

    – Doesn’t matter what anyone else did or didn’t do. They had the original tape all along. All they had to do was review it and they Failed.

    – Trying the old tactic of using excuses to deflect just makes them look like idiots beyond their prejudice.

  621. So what you’re urging Willie, is that we should embrace the economic Suck, get ourselves on the dole and watch our taxes fall to zero! Genius!

    What’d you think about the belated acknowledgement that Bush’s tax cuts helped the poor and middle class, or didn’t you read that far?

  622. This doesn’t stop Mencia. But if you don’t think you can hack it, then I’m not going to argue.

    Wait, let me try: what’s the hardest part of a vegetable to eat?

    Give up? The wheelchair.

    Uh oh. Now I’m a racist AND a…otherly-abledist. I’d whip myself for such offense, but that would be belittling to masochistic Americans, and I hear they have a strong lobby — albeit one that actually really likes it when you beat them in court.

    ZING!

  623. Please, don’t encourage it, Ernst. Willie’s definitely the type of troll that you point, laugh, mock, hit upside the head, but not one that you look for any type of sense out of.

  624. The only comments that get deleted are those that consist entirely of personal attacks, or are from someone who, over a long period of time, proves himself to be more about personal attacks than about arguing substance. And even then, that doesn’t happen all that often, and usually (if not always) not without warning.

    So again, William, you lie. I’m not sure why you bother doing that around here. We’re a pretty bright bunch, we pay attention, and we think for ourselves. You should try the latter two sometime. There’s not much I can do about the former, though. Reading something other than leftist drivel might help.

  625. Hi. Hey, I don’t get on here enough to know all the local “personalities” but WTF Happyfeet? Where do you get off calling Andrew Breitbart those names?

    Where has it been proven that Breitbart ever actually did anything wrong? When I went to his site to see that vid of Sherrod for the first time the clip with her was there intact.

    It included her bragging about racism, the NAACP crowd eating it up and it included her then claiming that it wasn’t about black vs White then claimed that well, it still was, but that it was about the poor.

    I still fail to see how that’s a road to Damascus/ come to Jesus/ racism is wrong revelation moment? What it was was her Come to Social Progressive Wealth Redistribution moment!

    It was no apology for having been a racist. She just finally figured out how to reclassify her own bigotry into Socialist terms of poor vs rich too, rather than just her usual black vs white filter.

  626. Wait, let me try: what’s the hardest part of a vegetable to eat?

    Give up? The wheelchair.

    Uh oh. Now I’m a racist AND a…otherly-abledist. I’d whip myself for such offense, but that would be belittling to masochistic Americans, and I hear they have a strong lobby — albeit one that likes it when you beat them in court.

    ZING!

    Now, that’s some funny stuff.

  627. I still fail to see how that’s a road to Damascus/ come to Jesus/ racism is wrong revelation moment?

    Even if it was, she has since undone it, with her bullshit characterizations of the people who are against the Healthcare bill. I’m not saying she’s racist. I am saying she’s a stupid bint.

  628. Dotcoman I have to go to a meeting. I am not ignoring you but it’s all the way in santa monica, which is far.

  629. This qualifies you for Mencia, as he has been known to take other’s material.

    Typical leftist, just keep moving those goal posts until you can declare victory and go home.

    So. Declare victory. Then, well, you know. You’ll be glad you did.

  630. Yet, you’re probably not qualified to work for the United States Government. And they’re as dull and incompetent as they get.

  631. #652 The problem with working for Mencia is that you do it pro bono, without even a “reach around” as it were. At least that is what I heard. YMMV.

  632. happyfeet, you were talking about the bint’s good side?

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/07/shirley-sherrod-beneath-the-headlines.html

    Typical race baiting lefty. This still doesn’t absolve Breitbart of playing fast and loose with the facts of the speech, however. That was bush league. But, the fact remains this woman is just a typical race baiting moron who deserves to work for a federal government agency as she’s probably not qualified to do anything else. Hey, I know there has to be an opening in some local NAACP chapter somewhere.

  633. @251 251.Comment by Big Bang Hunter on 7/22 @ 3:55 pm #

    - The Tea party doesn’t give a fuck what you think feets, and for me that’s part of its charm.

    – It will do what it will do, and just like I don’t think we need big government thinking for us, wiping our asses at every turn, I don’t think the Tea party needs protecting.

    Exactly my thought as I’ve followed this thread. The good folks at the TEA Parties know that being opposed to runaway government spending isn’t racist. We know that supporting a Constitutionally constrained government isn’t racist. We know that supporting the free enterprise system that made this country great isn’t racist.

    To a large extent it’s useless to try to refute the accusation because the people who make it aren’t sincere, they’re simply grabbing the biggest blunt instrument they have to beat us with. We’re not going to change their minds or shut them up, but that’s okay, we don’t need to. Their ploy won’t work because we also know that ultimately it comes down to the ballot box. It doesn’t matter whether someone stays away from TEA Party events for fear of being labeled racist, it only matters that people are appalled by our out-of-control government and that’s a message people are getting whether they attend a TEA Party or not, whether they identify with the TEA parties or not. Anyone who’s opposed to mortgaging our grandchildren’s future will vote with us whether they associate with us or not.

    And that, of course, is what scares the crap out of the statists. That’s why they’ve already dragged out the H-bomb of political rhetoric — racism. They’d have been better off to hold their fire until closer to the election, because they’ll be out of ammunition long before November at this rate.

    Don’t fear false accusations! Buck up! Throw the bums out! That’s all the refutation we need.

  634. #622 Comment by happyfeet on 7/23 @ 11:29 am #

    No for reals I’m really running out of things to say.

    I don’t believe it.

  635. no it’s true I really think so

    maybe I’ll get inspired again laters

  636. #658 Comment by happyfeet on 7/23 @ 9:12 pm

    See! I was right!

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