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Boycott Arizona?

Sure. If you don’t care that 82% of Americans disagree with such a ploy.

Which, naturally, Democrats don’t. After all, they won. And once you’ve won, it matters not what you do with those who brung you. Hell, you are the dance!

ALL YOUR ROTATING MIRRORED BALLS ARE BELONG TO US! Deal, bitches.

0 Replies to “Boycott Arizona?”

  1. Jeff G. says:

    Wear a bracelet. All the cool kids are doing it!

  2. JHo says:

    We could refer to the tyranny of the bracelet minority if we were vested in the thing. What, being racists.

  3. David R. Block says:

    OT: happyfeet reported banned at Hot Air.

    That was a precipitous fall.

    On Topic: 82 % against a boycott. Can Barry and the Dims read polls? Apparently not, or they don’t care. I’ll take the second option.

  4. dicentra says:

    ‘feets was banned at Hot Air? Whoa! I thought that would be more his crowd, what with allahpundit being on his side on the socon stuff.

  5. dicentra says:

    In other news, there is no oil on Arizona’s coastline.

  6. Jeff G. says:

    There’s always balloon juice…

  7. A fine scotch says:

    I’ll always wonder what the heck happened to John Cole. He was the one who introduced me to this site. I can’t imagine that happening today…

  8. sdferr says:

    Doc K noted the current run of panders Obama has going on: 1) the Hispanics, by way of Mexican illegals, 2) the Jews, by way of a re-do invite to Bibi next week, and 3) the Gays, by way of a hurried up DADT vote. So not watching the polls? Never think it.

  9. Ella says:

    What happened at Hot Air? I haven’t been over there in ages.

  10. sdferr says:

    We sould perhaps add another pander just today: 4) Obama holds a press conference, his first in over 300 days — so kick in his old friends the media, lately seen beginning to wander off the plantation.

  11. sdferr says:

    Which of Barry’s base constituencies is he taking for granted? Which base constituency is he content to ignore, since he knows he has them firmly in hand, whether his other panders — in the interests of illegal low-wage foreign workers, for instance — run directly counter to their own interests or not?

  12. cranky-d says:

    I just thought that, perhaps, people become crazed and delusion when arguing positions that they know deep inside are irrational.

  13. Slartibartfast says:

    I can’t imagine that happening today…

    If you’d told John Cole about 7 years ago that he’d be running what amounts to a lefty blog today, and that he’d wind up sounding a great deal like Andrew Sullivan after his ideology change operation, he’d probably have tracked you down and killed you.

    Now, of course, he’d take it as a compliment.

  14. motionview says:

    If you don’t care that 82% of Americans disagree with such a ploy
    And yet every time I hear the boycott mentioned, local news teasers etc., it is always the “growing boycott movement”. If I didn’t know better I would think they have an agenda.

  15. IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn says:

    In terms of numbers, you don’t need that many people for the boycott to have the desired effect.

  16. Clint says:

    “Towns are shutting down! No one wants to visit! They’re losing money from all the cancellations!!”

    Agenda? There’s no agenda here.

  17. cranky-d says:

    That’s a nice state you’ve got there. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.

  18. Slartibartfast says:

    In terms of numbers, you don’t need that many people for the boycott to have the desired effect.

    But if the 82% boycott the people that are boycotting Arizona, that would tend to even things out a bit.

    I’m pretty much boycotting everything that costs money, these days, except for fitness. And those guys are local.

  19. I’ve been boycotting Arizona for a while. But only because I didn’t want to get kidnapped Columbia-style. Now I might consider going back.

  20. Slartibartfast says:

    The thing about boycotts is they’re overt and public by their very nature. It makes it rather simple for people to identify those who are boycotting and deny them their business.

    Which idea I happen to like, a lot. It lends symmetry.

  21. sdferr says:

    Illegal Mexican immigrants should be encouraged to join the boycott and either leave Arizona if they are already there, (preferably destined back to their home nation, Mexico, rather than for another State in the United States, where they may run into the passage of a law like the Arizona law they’re against), or by not entering Arizona in the first instance, if they are thinking of moving in. That relatively small number of people when compared to the population of the whole US could have a profoundly desired effect indeed.

  22. Mikey NTH says:

    #3 David:
    Not surprised at all. Even the crazy commenters there were asking him “Dude – what’s your problem with women?”

  23. ak4mc says:

    I too have been boycotting Arizona since about 1966. Haven’t been back since.

    The reason? For most of my life it was hundreds of miles away. Since then it’s been thousands of miles away.

    Until Arizona wises up and moves closer to me, it ain’t getting the honor of a visit from me, and that’s that.

  24. Pablo says:

    In terms of numbers, you don’t need that many people for the boycott to have the desired effect.

    Van Jones? Is that you?

  25. Pablo says:

    ‘feets was banned at Hot Air? Whoa! I thought that would be more his crowd, what with allahpundit being on his side on the socon stuff.

    My first guess as to why that might have happened was spot on. Consider the subject.

  26. IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn says:

    “But if the 82% boycott the people that are boycotting Arizona, that would tend to even things out a bit.”

    But they’re not. They’re just answering a poll.

  27. Makewi says:

    But they’re not. They’re just answering a poll.

    I am. I had plans to visit Los Angeles this summer, but have canceled them. What’s more, I let the businesses that were to be getting my money know why.

  28. DarthRove says:

    Did anybody ever answer the question of whether the Hollywood Elite were forgoing their courtside seats at Lakers/Suns games? Or is it only a boycott for the loi polloi and for shit you wouldn’t buy anyway?

  29. Makewi says:

    Happyfeet is a bigot. Which is too bad, because I liked the guy. I think Jeff is right and he will land at Cole’s shack. As for Cole, his change made him popular. He was brilliant, angry and obscure before, but now he’s someone famous people point to as worth reading.

  30. Ella says:

    I don’t think happyfeet likes the wimmens very much.

  31. Makewi says:

    Or the Christians.

  32. Ella says:

    So is hf banned here? Or just absent?

  33. IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn says:

    “Did anybody ever answer the question of whether the Hollywood Elite were forgoing their courtside seats at Lakers/Suns games? Or is it only a boycott for the loi polloi and for shit you wouldn’t buy anyway?”

    If so, would the behavior of the owner of “Los Suns” counteract the behavior of the owner of the lakers?

  34. dicentra says:

    Ah. A Palin thread, about her stalker-next-door. Here are his contributions to that thread, which the HA regulars did not tolerate one bit (though their retorts are not NEAR as clever as ours, IMAO).

    When you cultivate celebritard status what happens is you get treated like a celebritard.

    Helpful celebritard hint: If you comport yourself with a modicum of dignity than it’s much more likely people will treat you with a modicum of respect.

    and

    But I’m not a celebritard trying to pawn myself off as presidential to a bunch of white Christer half-wits though.

    and

    If Joe is for reals writing a book then this is turning out to have been a brilliant boost to its prospects.

    Whining to her Fox media family is definitely a misstep on celebritard Sarah’s part I think.

    and

    If somebody shot Sarah Palin through the head she’d definitely get the last laugh I think.

    plus one more that was deleted before I saw it.

    Sheez. This isn’t anywhere near as bad as what he did here, but then, we had known him when he was full of unadulterated charm and whimsy, so we gave him a lot more slack.

  35. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    All to get into nishi’s pants, too. What a shame.

  36. DarthRove says:

    I think I’ll sit in Jack Nicholson’s seat at the next Lakers game. Then I’ll get all huffy when he or an usher dares ask to see my ticket stub (or “papers”) to prove I’m in the seat legally. Then I’ll spend a few pleasant hours in LA County Jail musing on the irony of it all and enjoying my victim of raaaaacism status.

  37. Slartibartfast says:

    They’re just answering a poll.

    “They” being the folks that approve, or the folks that say they’re boycotting?

  38. Squid says:

    Is it true that if you jump the turnstiles and evade the guards that you can watch the Suns play? Is it true that the ushers aren’t allowed to ask you for your ticket stub?

    Or are you only allowed to stay for as long as you fetch food and drinks for the people in the luxury boxes?

  39. Joe says:

    Jeff, Pat is confused.

  40. Pablo says:

    That last one is the deleted one that got him booted, d.

  41. JeffS says:

    happyfeet not only drank the Koolaid, he dived into the pitcher head first, and broke his neck when he hit bottom.

    And yet he keeps on digging. Nishi can’t be that hot.

  42. David R. Block says:

    dicentra @ 12:15

    Oh goody, assassination pron from the bag formerly known as happyfeet.

    DUDE.

  43. ak4mc says:

    If somebody shot Sarah Palin through the head she’d definitely get the last laugh I think.

    Something about motherhood just gets on happyfeet’s last nerve I guess.

  44. Blake says:

    At least BDS developed over a period of time.

    PDS started off as full blown psychosis and has rapidly progressed from there.

    I wonder how the left will spin it if something does happen to Sarah Palin? Heck, her church has already been firebombed while people were inside.

    Although, according to ‘feets, the people in the church were just a bunch of “Christards.”

  45. bh says:

    Looking through that thread, I see some other dude brought up the “If somebody shot Sarah Palin through the head…” just three minutes before in the thread.* So, not an unprompted bit of assassination porn.

    On topic, I only plan on continuing my long running boycott of Arizona Ice Tea.

  46. JD says:

    Meya/etal – how many names have you used, and how many more do you plan on using?

    Bh – Arizona has a version of the Arnold Palmer that is better than the original.

  47. Clint says:

    I like the Mandarin orange or plum flavors, but the tea has nothing to do with the state (other than the name).

    Mmmmm… I should be getting myself some of the plum tea soon.

  48. Slartibartfast says:

    I only plan on continuing my long running boycott of Arizona Ice Tea.

    For my part, I plan on never, ever owning a Chevy Scottsdale, a Hundai Tuscon, or a Kia Sedona. As an extra measure, I will never be ordering a Dragon & Phoenix at the local Chinese restaurant, at least until the insanity ends.

  49. bh says:

    Heh, right you are, Clint. Turns out I’ve been boycotting New York all along. Serves them right. Damn knickerbockers.

    Hmmm, Arnold Palmer, half lemonade, half iced tea. Don’t know if I’ve tried that, JD. Sounds good.

  50. bh says:

    Heh, Slart. I don’t think I’m cut out for this boycotting business. Too complicated.

  51. JD says:

    How dare they pass a law that is remarkably similar to a law in California, and a law that the DoJ previously gave them authority for. I like Steve Nash and Amare to boycott them. So, I will denounce all of you, and boycott meya and Barcky.

  52. JD says:

    Bh – I am not saying it is awesome, I am just saying that I could probably live on it.

  53. DarthRove says:

    JD, you don’t get it. The 16 pages of that bill are merely code words for “If you find a dirty Mexican in front of you, shoot it in the head.” It’s clearly a raaaaacist law.

  54. motionview says:

    Boycott the Suns? Boycott the sun! Boycott the sun on Nov 2. Show those racist bastards, spend that whole week down in the basement. Boycotting. And watching “Sicko”.

  55. ak4mc says:

    Hmmm, Arnold Palmer, half lemonade, half iced tea. Don’t know if I’ve tried that, JD.

    They sell/sold it at Kroger in gallon jugs called “lemonade iced tea.” Not bad, though for various reasons I needed the sugar-free version and here in the South that’s like expecting a burger without mayonnaise.

  56. Makewi says:

    Ella

    To my knowledge he wasn’t banned. A regular here stated that they would prefer it if he left and apparently he has.

  57. Blake says:

    Hmm, with all the liberals boycotting AZ and the illegals moving to other states, AZ just might be all cleaned up about the time I’m ready to move back there.

    Yay boycott!!!

  58. agile_dog says:

    Has anybody who is against the AZ law actually read it yet? Like AG Holder? Or did he just skim it again?

  59. Very good. One of the best articles about this theme I ever read.

  60. zulu time says:

    Son, you got a panty on your head.

  61. Squid says:

    Sir? Really, like you’re nobility or something?

    Man, these spambots are getting uppity.

  62. zulu time says:

    Proof that backgammon is cool: Characters in the Bible are known to have played it when the Earth was only 1000 years or so old.

  63. Mr. W says:

    I keep reading about all the terrorists coming across the southern border along with all the other Spanish illegal immigrants. Apparently none of the cracking intelligence agents at Homeland security thought to develop a ‘no walk’ list.

    Since Obama’s in the White House they clearly can’t be here to cause any harm to Americans, so I suppose they’re just coming to enjoy the fruits of his fine monetary policy.

    Here’s the question: based on current Obama administration policy, if the police come upon a Middle Eastern gentlemen attempting to fix the wires on an explosive device parked in front of a Phoenix mall, are they compelled to assist him?

    Just remember those “57 states” when you answer.

  64. JD says:

    I suggest that we boycott D.C. And asshattery.

  65. Blake says:

    Mr W.,

    I think the current administration is more adversarial toward ordinary Americans than it is to Radical Islam.

  66. cranky-d says:

    I agree that our President does not like most of the people he is ostensibly governing. It must be really hard for him, but he’s a trooper and keeps his shoulder to the grindstone.

  67. Mr. W says:

    zulu,

    What you are talking about is a classic example of confusing the earth with civilization. The earth and the animals that live on it have been here for millions of years.

    Oddly, the plants and animals seem to thrive in periods much warmer than the one we occupy, like when the Antarctic was a tropical garden.

    Evidence of man in the form of his artifacts only dates back to about 50,000 years ago, max.

    And please, don’t point out some 2 inch long bone fragment that Louis Leaky pulled out of a gorge in Africa until you can reconstruct Farrah Fawcett from 3 inches of her temporal lobe.

    And as far as those re-creations of what our ancestors looked like?

    Pleistocene Man cleaned my wheels last week at the speedy wash, and Cro-Magnon man takes up my trash every Tuesday morning.

    I guess you could say that they’re living fossils like the coelacanth.

  68. Mr. W says:

    Blake and cranky-D,

    We only tend to like the people we agree with, and the president is no exception to that rule.

    To be fair though, he has brought a lot of people together.

    Right and left, Islam or Christian, black or white, Russian or American, Spanish or English, socialist or capitalist, just about everybody thinks he’s a punk who can be rolled by anybody tougher than an Episcopal Church choir.

    Actually, I take that back, the elderly ladies of an Episcopal Church choir can be pretty tough.

  69. newrouter says:

    my purchase of az green tea remains steady

  70. Blake says:

    Mr. W., I don’t think President Obama is a punk.

    Rather, Obama’s Ahmadinejad’s bitch.

  71. SBP says:

    In terms of numbers, you don’t need that many people for the boycott to have the desired effect.

    You might have a point if you and your fellow travelers actually had jobs and disposable income, SFAG.

    As it is, the only effect your “boycott” is likely to have is a slight decline in Arizona’s welfare expenditures.

  72. newrouter says:

    when does la cut their use of az electric power?

  73. Mr. W says:

    Jamie Gorelick was a Republican?

    Color me dumbfounded…

  74. JD says:

    It is simply precious that meya and all of its personalities thinks that by changing its name it will be any less of a twatwaffle.

  75. Mr. W says:

    Hey Blake,

    I have my own focus group, it’s all the brothers I work with. When they’re all together they will swear that Barack Obama is the second coming of George Washington, but when they’re by themselves they will privately confess that he’s a punk.

    And if you don’t know any brothers in the black community, let me assure you that the one thing that they do not countenance is a punk.

    That they have in common with the Islamists. The Islamists hate nothing worse than an enemy who rolls over. It is an insult to their manhood to fight against a nine-year-old girl dressed up like the president of the United States. A man who is so naïve that he thinks that by playing nice he is exhibiting groundbreaking foreign-policy savvy.

    George Bush was someone who the terrorists could respect as an enemy. Barack Obama invites nothing but scorn, contempt, and attacks from the Islamo-fascists in our midst.

  76. newrouter says:

    ot but interesting:

    Weak Leak
    Abe Greenwald – 05.27.2010 – 5:24 PM

    If it’s remotely possible, let’s inject some sanity into the oil leak that’s stopped the world from spinning. In 1991, as Saddam Hussein’s forces retreated from Kuwait, they dumped 8 million barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf. That still stands as the biggest oil spill in history. So, what were the lasting catastrophic effects? According to this New York Times article, written just two years later, there were none:

    The vast amount of oil that Iraqi occupation forces in Kuwait dumped into the Persian Gulf during the 1991 war did little long-term damage, international researchers say. …

    “Given the phenomenal quantities of oil that were spilled into the Gulf, the results were rather cheering,” Chidi Ibe, of the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission at Unesco, said in a statement today.

    Coral reefs studied in early 1992 “appeared to be in good condition,” while fisheries showed “few unequivocal oil pollution effects attributable solely to the 1991 oil spills,” the study found.

    Even if you take the highest estimates, the current spill would have to last for nearly a year before it did that kind of nonexistent ecological damage.

    link

  77. zulu time says:

    George Bush was someone who the terrorists could respect as an enemy.

    The respect was mutual, apparently.

  78. Mr. W says:

    I would add to that the fact that the oil spill points out the absolute lack of ability the federal government has to do anything other than make idiotic pronouncements and pay themselves vastly more than they’re worth.

    Regrettably, they will continue to do both until they are stopped.

  79. cranky-d says:

    Pick a fucking name and stick with it, asshole trolls.

  80. zulu time says:

    I would add to that the fact that the oil spill points out the absolute lack of ability the federal government has to do anything other than make idiotic pronouncements and pay themselves vastly more than they’re worth.

    I agree.

  81. Mr. W says:

    Zulu,

    That’s what real diplomacy looks like. The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush, unlike Obama, did not subjugate himself to the crown prince like a bitch.

    (And please don’t trot out the picture where they’re putting the award around Bush’s neck, and claim he was bowing)

  82. Mr. W says:

    Thanks for the last comment Zulu, in the spirit of the moment I will add that the inability of the federal government to do anything, and them paying themselves far too much to do it, does not change based on an (R) or a (D) in the White House.

    For a libertarian like me, who lives in Washington DC, every day is a Kafkaesque nightmare.

  83. IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn says:

    “I keep reading about all the terrorists coming across the southern border along with all the other Spanish illegal immigrants.”

    All the terrorists?

    “You might have a point if you and your fellow travelers actually had jobs and disposable income”

    How’s that Limbaugh football franchise doing?

    “The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush, unlike Obama, did not subjugate himself to the crown prince like a bitch.”

    In his case, they’re more like family ties.

  84. Mr. W says:

    Touché.

    I still don’t know what he was thinking.

    Well played, zulu… well played…

  85. Mr. W says:

    IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn,

    A) Yes, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, all the terrorists. You’ll meet them soon.

    B) Textbook non sequitur. Impressive in a sort of disappointing way.

    C), you know what they say, “You can pick your friends, you can’t pick the goat-humping bastards that the enviro-nazis make you buy your oil from.”

  86. Mr. W says:

    I’m just glad we’re not drilling for oil in Montana.

    The fact that we have far more oil than the Saudis do, and right here on land, means that whatever we do, we have to stop drilling on land. Because of this drilling had occurred on land, it would’ve taken a lot of mops to clean up. And that can’t be good.

    Good thing we pushed those nasty oil rigs off shore. Filthy things.

    I just want to note how much I appreciate the directors of the Sierra Club jumping in their G5 jets at a moments notice to file suit against any drilling onshore. Where would we be without these paragons of self-sacrifice and their 25,000 ft.² homes?

    I don’t know, but I prefer not to think about it. A land where cheap energy was plentiful?

    That’s not the America I know, and that’s not the and kind of America that the Sierra Club’s working for. That’s for sure!

    And that video, the one that shows all the members of the Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservatory showing up at their yearly shindig in limos? What I don’t know is what you expect the selfless members of the environmental movement to drive around in, Civics?

  87. Blake says:

    Mr. W.,

    So, reader poll?

    President Obama is:

    a: A Punk with the mental toughness of an eight year old.

    b: A bitch to whichever despot makes angry noises at the US.

    c: An expert at Kabuki policy theater of the meaningless.

    d: Someone who has a malleable definition of “illegal.”

    e: All of the above.

  88. JD says:

    So now we have a sockpuppet sockpuppeting a sockpuppet. How fucking pathetic are you, meya? How fucking pathetic is your existence?

  89. SBP says:

    How’s that Limbaugh football franchise doing?

    What the fuck are you babbling about, SFAG?

  90. Mike LaRoche says:

    The trolls are breeding like mosquitoes today.

  91. Mike LaRoche says:

    Massachusetts taken over by racist Jesushumpers!!!

  92. bh says:

    Yeah, if true blue Mass is doing this, Mike, it definitely undercuts the radical!, xenophobic! Rethuglican angle they’ve been looking to play.

  93. bh says:

    I’ve identified the obvious flaw in the Arnold Palmer, btw. Lack of vodka.

  94. cranky-d says:

    SFAG made up yet another name? Fuck off, meya. Seriously, go the hell away and don’t come back. You are not welcome here, and all you do is waste time and bandwidth.

  95. bh says:

    OT: This feels Huzzah! worthy. If even Feingold is looking weak, well, why not?

    ht insty for the first

  96. My argument against the Arizona law is that it risks making relations between Latinos and Anglos worse for absolutely nothing. It will make no meaningful difference in the increasing crime in Arizona or our border more secure. Only legalizing drugs will do that.

  97. SGT Ted says:

    Well, peter, your arguement is the leftists arguement, despite the fact that the Az law merely parrots the Federal law, no more, no less. Sometimes, adults have to do tough things, like enforce the law.

    As far as the racists with brown skin, I really don’t care what they think of me, just like I don’t care what Islamist Muslims think of me, or any other subset of indentity politics bigot. THEY are the ones with the problem, not me.

  98. IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn says:

    “My argument against the Arizona law is that it risks making relations between Latinos and Anglos worse for absolutely nothing. It will make no meaningful difference in the increasing crime in Arizona or our border more secure. Only legalizing drugs will do that.”

    And isn’t crime down in arizona?

  99. Blake says:

    Legalizing drugs = secure border?

    What kind of drugs are you on, Peter?

  100. cranky-d says:

    Legalizing drugs = remove the financial incentive behind the gangs/cartels. We don’t know if this will reduce the crime, or just change the nature of the black market the cartels deal in. There is currently no black market that I know of that deals in the kind of money the drug trade does, so it might work from that standpoint. The resulting social costs are unknown. On one hand, drugs are really easy to get if you want them. On the other hand, there are a lot of stupid people out there that think that something you ingest is “safe” if the government hasn’t made it illegal, so legalizing drugs would probably result in more addicts. Since the powers-that-be want a docile underclass, that might be a feature for them and not a bug; an addict has little time to protest or vote, they are too busy arranging their next fix.

  101. Squid says:

    My argument against the Arizona law is that it risks making relations between Latinos and Anglos worse for absolutely nothing.

    My argument against the unceasing flood of illegals pouring over the border is that it risks making relations between Latinos and Anglos worse for absolutely nothing.

    Anyone remember when “root causes” was all the rage?

  102. Curmudgeon says:

    My argument against the unceasing flood of illegals pouring over the border is that it risks making relations between Latinos and Anglos worse for absolutely nothing.

    Anyone remember when “root causes” was all the rage?

    The Treason Left just wants a larger lumpenproletariat to which they hope to dictate.

  103. All of you seem to fundamentally misunderstand the failure we have at the border. There’s a difference between unenforced and unenforceable.

    And Blake, since you obviously haven’t been paying attention, the lawlessness that’s encroaching into AZ is fueled by drug profits. Drug profits are the result of prohibition. When alcohol prohibition was ended the organized crime networks of the day collapsed. There’s no reason to believe that Mexican drug gangs would survive legalization.

    And this isn’t the leftists argument. The leftist argument is totally predicated on some unspecified humanitarianism.

  104. Rusty says:

    #

    Comment by IKnowABoatYouCanGetOn on 5/27 @

    “The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush, unlike Obama, did not subjugate himself to the crown prince like a bitch.”

    In his case, they’re more like family ties.

    Only if they’re incestuous ones.

  105. Blake says:

    Peter, since you’re obviously a fool, let me explain a few simple facts to you.

    The border drug war is only one facet of the problem. There’s also the illegals who move here to get a job. Terrorists are crossing our unsecured border.

    So, since you’re obviously not paying attention, legalizing drugs isn’t going to secure the border, jackass.

  106. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Jackson isn’t a fool you should click on his orangeyness

    He’s a very smart guy and has been since forever.

  107. Darleen says:

    Peter

    Drug legalization isn’t a panacea. In fact, drug legalization will never work as long as there is a welfare state.

    And it is the welfare state this is a big draw for illegals.

  108. John Bradley says:

    I, for one, loved his hobbit movies…

  109. Pablo says:

    And this isn’t the leftists argument. The leftist argument is totally predicated on some unspecified humanitarianism.

    No, it isn’t. Theirs is rehab.

  110. Pablo says:

    Drug legalization isn’t a panacea. In fact, drug legalization will never work as long as there is a welfare state.

    On the other hand, it works for shit as it stands. We’re spending godawful amounts of money and our outcome is that you can still get the drug of your choice pretty much whenever you want to and now we’ve got the Mexican Mafia just about to fail a state right down there on the narcodolares. Then what?

  111. Pablo says:

    Re: #119, it = the leftist argument.

  112. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Pablo is right the drug war is a big silly

  113. B Moe says:

    Drug legalization isn’t a panacea. In fact, drug legalization will never work as long as there is a welfare state.

    And it is the welfare state this is a big draw for illegals.

    Nothing will work as long as there is a welfare state, Darleen.  That is the disease, all this other crap are symptoms.  

    Drugs and illegal immigrants are both black markets, black markets our indicators of a problem, not the problem itself.

  114. not bh, he'd like a tiny bottle of vodka to be honest says:

    The drug war failed and yet continues to suck money like a mofo.

    It’s a lot like everything else we do nowadays.

  115. LTC John says:

    I’d really rather not have the US turn into a giant “Needle Park” in Amsterdam or Zug….thanks.

  116. Pablo says:

    There’s that welfare state again.

  117. Blake, I’m afraid you aren’t paying attention, or perhaps I was unclear. Ending the drug war wouldn’t address illegal border crossing, but it would virtually eliminate the violent crime spilling across the border that McCain and most other conservatives claim is the impetus for this law.

    Indeed the crime issue and the illegal immigration issue are similar in that both involve a legal denial of the reality of the over-powering effects of the laws of supply and demand. With regards to illegal border crossing, the only thing that is going to fix that is to eliminate the aspects of our current immigration policies that fly straight in the face of the laws of supply and demand, specifically for labor (as opposed to canabis and cocaine). In spite of doubling our expenditure on border security several times since the mid-80s (actually five or six times at least) we’ve seen illegal immigration increase almost as much. This “papers” law is nothing but a symbol for both sides. There are far larger forces at work against which symbolism doesn’t stand a chance.

    Darleen, your point about the drug prohibition and the welfare state is well taken, I personally don’t favor spending a single taxpayer nickel on junkies. But we mustn’t forget that nothing is going to save the welfare state. Nothing. It’s underlying open-ended structure dooms it, even the public schools. Even so, I still don’t believe that post-prohibition drug addicts wouldn’t overwhelm the welfare state as much as you do. But that probably has more to do with the fact that you’re a Californian and I’m a Texan more than anything else.

    And Mr. Feets, thanks for the flyover. I owe you one.

  118. Good lord

    “Even so, I still don’t believe that post-prohibition drug addicts WOULD overwhelm the welfare state as much as you do.”

  119. bh says:

    By the way, Mr. Jackson isn’t a crazy crackhead. He’s always been a pretty strong classical liberal as far back as I remember him around here.

    Sometimes people simply disagree.

  120. LTC John sir, consider perhaps that, like most folks, you are operating under the idea that at some level, the drug war, for lack of a better term, works. I submit that the drug war in fact does not work. There are Needle Parks and worse all over America, sir, right now. We can’t keep drugs out of our freaking prisons. The drug war does not work on any level.

    And John, I love my hobbit movies too! And I’ve lost a lot of weight!!

  121. ak4mc says:

    Even so, I still don’t believe that post-prohibition drug addicts wouldn’t overwhelm the welfare state as much as you do.

    Shall we just try it and see who’s right?

    Personally, ‘druther not.

  122. […] Boycott Arizona? […]

  123. Benito says:

    I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.

    I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!

    Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.

  124. sdferr says:

    …the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened…

    Gotta cite for that Benito? Just curious.

    All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated…

    Care to draw any lines around that? For instance, how about the rapist while in the act of committing rape? The bank-robber while robbing a bank?

    I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right.

    And what have you offered to demonstrate that the majority in this instance is wrong? Nothing that I can see.

  125. Benito says:

    “All Men are created equal”! The founders had it right, when attempting to form a perfect union and they also knew that they were not there yet but knew we one day would get there. Lincoln moved us forward as did JFK and LBJ. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.

    It is my contention that this AZ law is not constitutional and will fail when challenged (unless, of course, they keep adding more amendments), pretty funny for this so called perfect law, that many claim was copied from the Federal law, sure it was.

    As for the undocumented workers, as was attributed to Ronald Reagan “It’s the Economy, Stupid”. When the economy is good we say let’s all celebrate “Cinco de Mayo, my brothers” but when the economy is down “it’s all your fault, you damn immigrant”. This too will pass. The real problem is the narcosis/drug and people smuggler that’s what the focus should be on.

    Don’t you find it funny that no one ever voted for Brewer for Governor, it’s all about politics and getting elected, do not be fooled. Busy Brewer has passed S.B. 1070, no permit conceal weapons law, the famous Birthers law, banning Ethic studies law, and if history is a lesson their House Bill 2779 from two years ago (which failed when legally challenged) and the craziest one the boycotted Martin Luther King Day, not wanting another holiday, how crazy is that. I believe there is an undercurrent to their enactment of new laws, they real love following a distinct pattern.

  126. sdferr says:

    You’re a moron Benito. How come?

  127. JD says:

    It is my contention that Benito drools while standing upright.

  128. Benito says:

    Poor Brewer, she had a bad week, first she said her Dad had died in Germany fighting the Nazi and we find out he never was a soldier, never was in Germany and died in California and then she went to Washington and came back empty as always, poor dear.

    sdferr & JD: Now, now children, “sticks and stones”, “sticks and stones”.

    Thanks for the laughs

  129. JD says:

    Fuck off, spamming moonbat. That is all. Holy shit, it posted links to SEIU.

  130. chuck forrester says:

    Who the hell are you dimwits to boycott Arizona?
    My guess is: A bunch of welfare cheats and liberal stumble bums who never had, and couldn’t get, a job.
    You parasites want the rest of us to feed, house, and clothe you for the rest of your worthless lives. Lotsa luck, losers.