“Soviet Union!” “Apartheid South Africa!” “Breathing While Undocumented!”
The left-liberal marketing response to Arizona’s recently passed border security law is beginning to take shape — and predictably, it uses all of the tropes previously aimed at opponents of just about every single one of Obamalot’s designs to remake the country into a centralized progressive nanny state under the care and feeding of our betters: those 70% of Arizonans who support the measures are redneck racist hicks out to keep the brown man down; they are no better than the Soviet Union or South Africa under apartheid; they are out to hurt women, children, and the elderly — and to deny basic human freedoms to poor souls whose only crime is being born brown and to the south.
Nowhere is the issue presented even as being debatable. In fact, there is no issue to speak of: those who agitate for some sort of border control are racists and anti-immigrant; those who fight against the racists and anti-immigrants are on the side of the angels (though, for the most part, comfortably and conveniently away from the Arizona borders, as well). QED.
I’ve posited that such PC appeals — government and media-driven attempts to shame people into rejecting what they believe to be in their best interests by playing on their fears of being demonized as backward and unenlightened — are losing some of their power from overuse. Time to see if that is so or just wishful thinking on my part.
I admit, people like happy don’t give me much hope.
But at the same time, the left, I believe, is overplaying its hand: they don’t even attempt any longer to offer reasoned arguments for their policy positions, preferring instead to jump right to demonization of opponents as a supposed rationalization for the rectitude of their own stance. By their enemies they shall be defined.
Will people rush to distance themselves from being labeled haters — in the same way that led, at least indirectly, to Obama’s ascension to power? Time will tell, I guess.
But what can’t be argued, I don’t think, is that in the soft civil war I’ve long predicted to be coming, Arizona has returned fire against the federal government.
War on.
Over on another site, a troll essentially accused 51% of Arizona’s Democrats — who comprise a significant portion of the 70% of everyone in that state who support Arizona’s new law — of being racist Republicans.
Jeff G – The overweening and preening hysteria in that column is remarkable. It is almost as asinine as the MSNBC “law makes it a crime to be illegal”.
Adios. Gotta run.
I’ve posited that such PC appeals — government and media-driven attempts to shame people into rejecting what they believe to be in their best interests by playing on their fears of being demonized as backward and unenlightened — are losing some of their power from overuse.
I think you’re right. It’s been pointed out that 50-something % of Arizonans who support the new enforcement law also believe it may lead to some violation(s) of civil rights. But they support the law anyway.
In doing so – supporting a law that they believe may lead to civil right violations against a minority – they are also indirectly saying that they don’t care about being smeared as racists.
What is the old joke, a Conservative is a Liberal who got mugged? While illegal immigration can bring cheap lawn care and tasty mobile taco stands, it also brings crime and mayhem (especially along the border) due to the drug trade. It is not racism that is motivating Arizonans.
And did I forget to leave out welfare fraud, illegals soaking up public benefits, and illegals driving without insurance, or committing crimes and not getting punished for it (or fleeing back to Mexico)? That too.
Shouldn’t moral viewpoints be based on outcomes? If so, the left has a problem with its making race tantamount to religion when really bad stuff is happening because of the resultant ideological imbalance.
“…50-something % of Arizonans who support the new enforcement law also believe it may lead to some violation(s) of civil rights…”
This is largely false I think. 70% support the law. 30% oppose. So of the 50% who believe the law may lead to civil rights violations, begin with the 30% opposed. That leaves 20% who support the law and believe it may lead to civil rights violations, which in turn leaves 50% who support the law and do not believe it will lead to civil rights violations.
whaaa?
She’s telling you to boycott Arizona but not to hold her to it if bad shit happens I think.
Thank goodness, I thought they were going to !@!@$@#$%%^& crazy like with that Public Enemy video, in the 90s, but they are being very sober about it, sarc
“…to deprive
undocumentedillegal immigrant[‘s] children of a free public education.”Free! Be free little bird! Fly without cost! To anyone!
here is a sensible voice in the NYT comments I think:
70% of Arizonians support the new law.
Seventy Percent.
Seventy Percent.
Seventy Percent.
Seventy Percent.
Seventy Percent.
Seventy Percent.
Fighting against this new law is madness.
madness is the currency of DC under obama.
Hey ‘feets. Come see how racist I am.
http://dicentrasgarden.blogspot.com/2007/06/perils-of-illegal-immigration.html
I never ever ever said you were racist dicentra not even a little.
When kidnapping for ransom, in Phoenix, becomes a profitable business model for Mexican drug gangs, everyone can see there’s a problem.
I just think whipping up the immigration hysteria in 2010 is an own goal come 2012.
here is a good article about the kidnappings
It’s hysteria! is what it is! Those Arizonans aren’t for reals worried. They aren’t eyeing the ball right. Hicktard cumsluts.
Jon Spencer speaks the truth.
And if trying to enforce the law is equivalent to whipping up hysteria, this country is already done.
Allowing illegal aliens and other criminals to dictate our laws is the ultimate “own goal.”
Apparently happyfeet is one of those concerned political observers who does not believe there is one iota of difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. Progressive Democrat propaganda works, it seems.
The drug cartels have no fear of the Mexican government, they’ve bought or cowed the Mexican police, and are starting to operate quite openly in the US (not that they were exactly undercover before, the Mex Maf and La Familia are cooking meth all through the central valley in CA, and we have heavily-armed MS13 drones guarding pot gardens in the national forests.)
Time to go medieval on their asses.
That’ll only happen f they begin voting Republican, I’m afraid.
car thiefs.
I just wanted to look at that and chuckle a bit longer. This is an adult, yes?
no spiny I think there is many difference between the illegal and the legal immigrationings. But this isn’t an immigrant problem. It’s just a bad people problem.
And this Arizona law does shit to solve it but a lot to get Team R embroiled in a distracty fight what has no bearing on the improbable survival of our little country.
Go the ABC news story happy linked. Click on the link where the kidnapper demands money and hacks off the hand of a victim.
Breathing while illegal? Soviet Union?
Fuck you.
Hysteria is begging for your life while duct taped and facing a machete.
You can’t be serious? More than 20 million illegal immigrants have no bearing on “improbable survival” of the country? Allowing the progressives to set the rules of debate has no bearing, either?
You’ve surrendered before the fight has even begun.
That the problem happens to be taking place in those areas with the worst illegal immigration problems? Pure coincidence.
Because the brown ones are the betters of us all. I know, because happy told me. Over the wireless hot spot of his whole foods sandwich shop.
Sure. Bad people who, by and large, happen to be illegal immigrants.
Seriously, are you trying to out-wrong yourself, here? I mean, you win, and then you win again. It’s nothing but win for you in a contest like that.
They don’t like when you say that.
You’re about to be called a violent thuggish race-baity pseudo intellectual who doesn’t understand how language works and who, depending on the outcome of a reader poll, may or may not be labeled racist from here on on.
Happyfeet worries about the social cons, but he doesn’t see playing into the hands of the left as a problem at all. Losing more slowly. That’s the game plan.
And that’s on me. He’s been a regular here for a while, and yet he seems daily to move more and more toward the very pragmatists I think do the most damage to classical liberalism.
Happy is becoming a daily reminder of my years of feckless output.
I need to get away from the computer for a while.
I don’t mean to single happy out. I’m just angry at my own impotence.
hf has now shifted into drama-queen overdrive, and have floorboarded the throttle.
And we’re not even touching why he calls it “our little country”. He says this so much that I’m beginning to suspect he’s posting comments from Monaco.
These are a few years old, from the last time Amnesty was brought up in Congress, but people who don’t live in border states have probably not seen this:
Here.
Here.
And here.
There’s a sign in my local Wal-Mart that says I will always be asked for ID if I’m buying booze. If I don’t produce documentation, I don’t get the booze. The guy who lives across the street ranted at me for hours about this policy the other day because he didn’t bring his ID with him and he wanted to buy some cold ones on the way to his Saturday golf game. He’s 80. He didn’t want to pay the premium that the bottle shop close to the course charges for booze (It’s like double, I think, I always stop at Wal-Mart), as is his right, right? Nope. No papers, no sweet, sweet, cheap Wal-Mart beer.
He was so pissed off, he never did buy any beer that day. He finished in under three hours. Good for the other golfers, good for the bushes, good for his cart, good for his game, good for everyone except maybe his wife, who had him to herself for an extra hour and me, who had to listen to him complain. But I pretended to sympathize, so I’ll still be able to borrow his tools.
So the moral of my little (true) story is: If you support Arizona’s illegal immigration laws, you hate women. Plus the Democrats will get the Mexican vote anyway.
C’mon, Jeff. Your output is full of feck.
happy is, understandably, overemphasizing the role that marketing plays in daily life. Marketing and what it shoves into our brains tend to mold “default” behavior when people are on autopilot. However, when people are forced to deal with reality and engage (such as, seeing a loved ones hand get whacked off by a piece of human crap), autopilot goes off and marketing’s default hold gets evaporated.
That’s why I’m not overly worried about the marketing forces, because lots of people are getting a big ol’ clue-by-four of reality these days and disengaging the autopilot.
You can’t take responsibility for everything, Jeff. That way lies an early death.
People will not read.
People will read and not understand.
People will read and understand, but not learn.
People will read and understand and learn, but act inconsistently with their learning. Or forget what they’ve learned. Or take the word of someone else that what they’ve learned is wrong.
And people will be insane.
And some other people will fuck with you because that’s just how they get their jollies.
All of the above types of people may well outnumber the kind of people that you actually reach and affect, but none of that outweighs the fact that you have in fact been able to reach and affect people for the better. You are appreciated, even if you’re not appreciated by all.
I don’t like to presume to advise, but…sometimes I hope that it makes a difference, that you understand that what you’re doing matters.
if you ask me putting this sort of power in the hands of Arizona policetards is as fine a recipe for corruption as you’re likely to find since the war on drugs.
These cartels know how to corrupt police. It’s what they do.
happy, cracking down on illegals is fiscal responsibility. The costs to emergency rooms nationally for treating illegals is in the billions. Billions of welfare dollars sucked out of the system by illegal aliens. (we need to remove the phrase illegal immigrants. It’s cognitive dissonance of the language, I think)
On to the anecdotal side of the discussion: A friend of mine ran a red light and T-boned a car driven by a woman. My buddy got a ticket for running a red light. The woman went to jail. She was driving on a revoked license. So, no charges filed against the driver running the red light.
Contrast that with illegal aliens, who, even though they’re already committing a crime, are still able to file lawsuits for whatever reason and get compensation.
What has happened to our country, when lawsuits are allowed to go forward, and won, by someone who is hurt in the process of committing a crime?
Then they sure as hell don’t need any laws about illegal immigrantion. It will make not the slightest difference to them: if they can corrupt the police in AZ, they will do so whether there’s an illegal alien law or not.
Your contention is a red herring.
I just want to stare in awe at that. hf, you are making a much bigger fool out of yourself today than usual; a mile-high earth berm kind of fool. I almost need binoculars to see the peak of foolishness.
Cracking down on illegal immigrants has SE-VEN-TEE PER-CENT support from voters.
Any POL who stands against the crackdown will lose 30% to 70%.
Any POL who stands up for the crackdown will win by 70% to 30%.
Right? Wrong? Who cares?
Those percentages are all that you need to know.
Keep fucking that chicken, Barry.
Spiny,
In CA, even if a police officer suspects a person involved in a traffic accident is an illegal alien, the officer is prohibited from questioning their resident status. Considering that most illegal aliens drive without car insurance, it’s almost a given they’re going to disappear once they lie to the cops about their insurance or lack thereof.
well, point is, your little country needs a wall… and your little country needs lots of immigrants… you don’t have the first and Team R is poisoning the well about the second cause they’re scared immigrants will hate them.
The Arizona policetards are very unlikely to burnish Team R’s standing I think.
Police are stupid, slart. Stupid and cruel. It’s their job.
Walls don’t have to make judgment calls.
No, it doesn’t.
Possibly, depending on what your notion of “lots” is.
No. Republicans have no beef with legal immigrants. You’re making the same mistake that Team D makes (them knowing full well that it is a mistake, and making it anyway because they can score points with it), knowing full well that it is a mistake. You’ve been told. Quit doing it, or you will be branded a liar.
Amnesty creates legal immigrants, slart. And they scare the crap out of Team R, do they not?
Yes. Yes they do.
Grieferfeet is off the deep end yet again. Nishi is proud of her little friend.
Team R should be eager to share the freedoms and capitalisms with as many people as possible. They don’t think like that. They’re scared because they are the white people party now, and they don’t think of the illegals as white.
Maybe some of them; just as some of us are stupid enough to suggest that building a wall across the US-Mexico border is the answer.
Again, maybe some of them. Just as some of us are cruel enough to call Pam Tebow a cumslut because she had the audacity to be happy she didn’t abort her son.
No, it’s not. Police aren’t perfect, but being stupid and cruel is not in the job description.
Because they’re brown, I suppose. Because we hates the brown people; oh yes, we hates them! Wicked! Tricksy! False!
Happy, if your point is, “Instead of passing this law they should have built a wall”, then I kindasorta agree. Arizona can build a wall, but unless they wall off Cali and NM and NV and UT and that little corner of WY (CO? map challenged today) it’s pointless.
But saying that “TeeVee will use these images to say Team R is badbadbad and people the world over will believe TeeVee because it’s Jesus to them and then Team Dirty Socialist wins” isn’t accurate.
Happy, so, what do you say to all the people who immigrated to the US legally, spent thousands of dollars, dealt with miles of red tape, in order to become legal citizens?
My fiance is a legal immigrant from Canada. It cost her parents a lot of money to come to the US. Her parents had to prove they had the means to support themselves when they arrived.
You think the US government should crap all over legal immigrants by allowing blanket amnesty? President Reagan already made that mistake, yet, you want to repeat it?
Slart – I don’t think you are getting through. That saddens me, just a bit.
Feets, you have surrendered before the fight…darn it.
It’s a deep deep pool of assholiation out there. No country you have may decide anything for itself. Must consult first.
“The left-liberal marketing response to Arizona’s recently passed border security law is beginning to take shape”
By the Time I Get To Arizona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeXGv9QLRc
“Republicans have no beef with legal immigrants.”
They took our JERBS!
Well wall or not, Team R needs to show some willingness to work the problem for anything other than their own perceived political benefit, and this law doesn’t do that. It won’t do anything to solve the problem, but it will do a lot to shift the focus to the identity politics terrain what the dirty socialists have shown they can exploit really very masterfully.
My point is instead of passing this law they should have built a wall.
This is a distraction and a particularly unhelpful one. It does much to ensure that the little president man’s regime will be perpetuated another 4 years.
“…the little president man’s regime will be perpetuated another 4 years.”
Not happening. Never will happen. Not in any possible universe. Ever.
See, the problem with taking ‘feets at face value is this:
Team D is busy scurrying around giving dis, dat and de udder ting to anyone poor enough that they’d be so grateful for the gift that they’d swap their vote for it.
HF says the answer to our problems is to just let anyone and everyone in, because…well, because he wants to spread Xtian democracy and capitalism amongst the brown peoples of the world.
And that, my friends, is going to be the solution to criminals from south of the border bringing their criminal activities over our border: just let them all in, and let the corrupt cops and local authorities deal with them.
BALLOON FENCE!!
In other words, none of this actually addresses the problem, but it does sling as many mudpies as possible at the very people who are trying to (for reals!) solve the problem.
So, I think happyfeet isn’t who he would have you think he is. He’s starting to look very, very mobyish to me just now. It’s either that or insane.
I have not surrendered LTC, this is the wrong fight.
And it’s not a fight I give a flip who wins, really.
Illegal immigrants are very America I think. They have spirit, and I wish them well.
I am going to point out for the umpteenth time that this is a very very retarded idea, this wall-building.
I stand with Arizona and thank them for pulling the welcome mat from illegal invaders!
Hey Happy feet…Your wishing them well is not enough…Give them ALL your money and leave mine in my wallet !
By the way your money is not enough-enlist and get donations from ALL your family members and friends…and leave mine alone!
sdferr I hope you’re right but the arrows in Team R’s quiver are not of a kind what can pierce our little country’s cynical heart I don’t think…
this stopped being about who’s right many many moons ago. We’re talking abut Team R.
This is why Team R needs to carefully carefully pick what it is what is most important to them to be right about.
Fortunately the choice in the question of the retention of Barack Obama doesn’t lay with the Republicans alone. Americans just won’t have him.
No, they’re not. Thinking doesn’t seem to be your strong suit, today. I suggest a game of beach volleyball.
the illegal immigrant spirit is very America is maybe how I should have put that
Maybe a whole week of beach volleyball. Something, other than this thing you’re calling thinking. That, you’re doing wrong.
To me ‘feets was always kinda Alton Brown to Jeff’s Bobby Flay but Alton knows a lot of background about food.
Legal immigrants are stupid fucking chumps for having jumped through all the hoops, filed all the paperwork, paid all the fees…
It’s “very America” to say “Fuck all that shit! I’ll do as I please and walk across the border because I can. And I’ll have hundreds of “progressive” political activists to back me up!”
Very America, indeed.
As an aside, you DO know very few illegal immigrants have any desire to become American citizens; they’re just looking for enough work to send money back home, right? And collect the benefits while they’re here.
Ah: a telling admission. hf has abdicated what’s right, and is going with what’s popular.
It’s almost as if he’s trying to haul us all back into high school gym class with him.
Happy, that “illegal
immigrantaliens” spirit is taking up a lot of jail space in the US.So now we need to send somebody in to see what happened to ‘feets.
Americans have a positive duty to boycott GM vehicles, if Arizona is to be boycotted. No purchase, no use. Stinking pieces of G.U.M. shit they are.
‘feets, we don’t get to choose what battles we engage. We must engage on all the fronts presented. This war is one of attrition.
Are we losing you?
see? Even Princess Lindsey know what’s what now.
Secure the borders. That means securing the borders. It doesn’t mean wholesale amnesties. It doesn’t mean creating the Happy Arizona Policetard Interdiction Squad.
It means focusing on the problem, not starting a huge silly slap-fight over some stupid law what doesn’t do shit to solve it.
that second paragraph was supposed to be blockquotey
Slart… maybe you might think that Team R is on the side of the effing angels, but it’s the second gayest political party in our whole little country I think.
I don’t have to carry their water to be a classical liberal in good standing.
“…some stupid law what doesn’t do shit to solve it.”
This is what is yet to be proved. We can’t assume the conclusion quite yet, ‘specially since the thing doesn’t start working until July or August. Get back to us sometime in December next or April next and we’ll have a much better idea whether it works or not.
Of course, Alton Brown once made scallops in a beat up RV and served em to a toothless Palinite, so upon further reflection I see that I could be wrong about that.
What slap fight? Arizona has passed a law, as is their right. Unless and until SCOTUS slaps it down as unconstitutional, no one (not even you) has got any standing in the matter.
None.
So don’t blame Arizona for wearing that dress, ‘feets.
I’m a lot on board with boycotting GM and it’s weird that their line-up is stronger than it’s been in many many moons. It took a lot of design cues from Chrysler I think.
But wtf is an Aveo supposed to be?
That’s just sad.
But Flay measures stuff by eye. Outlaw!
In Arizona or New Mexico, no less.
I guess Mr. sdferr is right we need to wait and see more towards the end of the year what to think about this whole dealio.
I don’t. That would be a stupid conclusion to come to.
No one is saying that you do. But it would help if you could come up with ideas less retarded than the worst ideas of Team R and Team D, combined. Building a wall kind of ties the worst ideas for retardedness.
Think what you like, you just don’t know is all I’m getting at. Thinking is cheap.
“Legal immigrants are stupid fucking chumps for having jumped through all the hoops, filed all the paperwork, paid all the fees…”
Not in my experience.
JHo, Rachael Ray keeps coming to mind. And she’s been beaten, raped and left for dead.
I like walls. Good neighbors and all that. Mostly what we do on the border are those depressing concentration camp type fences though. We need to have a wall x-prize for something aesthetic functional and affordable I think.
This is why analogies are perfect, Pablo.
That it wins by a margin of 40%.
That it also wins,in Arizona, among Democrats (though only by a margin of 2%).
Yeah, Team R is doomed.
Kick it up a notch, ‘feets, and just take that 70/30 ratio and pass some freaking legislation that defunds the Democrat’s fund-the-illegal-dependents program.
oh. Even Princess Lindsey *knows* what’s what now that should say.
also I think it was cheering what Mr. sdferr said about a second term being unthinkable.
Those last two words are almost certainly a lie on this issue — and I’ve long suspected it’s a lie generally.
That’s what’s called an opinion, hf, to be proved by events. So we’ll see. In the meantime, I’m not sweating another four years of Barry Obama.
Utah is thinking about passing a law similar to AZ’s. The thinking goes that the law in AZ is going to cause a lot of illegals to self deport, and Utah thinks they’re next on the illegal alien invasion list.
Oh. Fences have already been built. It’ll only cost a dozen billion dollars or so to fence the whole shebang, and probably only a billion dollars a year to detect and plug the tunnels and other circumventions.
If I were Mexican, I’d be learning how to deploy with the shaped-charge explosives. That’s certainly a little less in the way of work than tunnelling.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
* “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
* Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
* A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
* Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
PE,
Huh? Perhaps you missed the context: happyfeet posted this,
To which I responded, with heavy sarcasm,
See what I did there? I personally DO NOT think legal immigrants are “chumps”. Far from it: I greatly admire them. Especially considering how many roadblocks are set up in their way.
“Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,”
So lets make everyone happy: Send Arizona back to Mexico.
I would bet a double sawbuck that if anyone bothered to check, they’d see that Mexico has a serious illegal immigration problem on their Guatemala border. And has been cracking down on that problem for years.
why would biscuits like the biscuits and gravy kind of biscuits be sort of a Pacific Northwest thing? The south you expect but any idea why biscuits would be a thing in the NW? Is there some biscuit thing they like in particular?
If we have a wall, we’ll probably also need some kind of dead zone that is empty of any cover to make it worthwhile, and we’ll have to patrol a lot in that dead zone, which will wholly have to be on our side of the border. Also, we’ll have to deprive a bunch of people along our side of the border of property rights (building this wall on their land, the dead zone) and water rights (access to the Rio Grande).
So, PE, are you meya under yet another name change by chance?
I think our law should prescribe that anyone entering the country illegally from a country whose illegal immigration law is stricter than ours, should be subject to the penalty that is called for in the laws of his home country.
PE misspelled the initials for “Pea Brain.”
[…] Jeff at Protein Wisdom gets it: But what can’t be argued, I don’t think, is that in the soft civil war I’ve long […]
I’m going with PE = RD.
Naw. Five hundred pesos is only about $41.
Cranky, I’m quite sure a lot of people who own property on the border wish the government would build a wall. The loss of land due to a wall is probably smaller than the loss of land due to fear of coming to close to the border.
That’s a nice idea, McGehee, but unworkable in practice since it would likely fail the “cruel and unusual punishment” restriction in some cases. It would also fail an equal treatment test. While non-citizens are not entitled to be treated as citizens, in general we try to do so anyway, except in the case of war and/or unlawful combatants.
I like your thinking, though, and for all I know the Supreme Court would rule in favor of your idea, given the chance.
Noxious Greenhouse gassing about how stupid people should stay out of Arizona is not exactly the deterrent she’s looking for, I think.
You may be right, Blake, though I have heard a few ranchers on the border complain on teevee that a fence would restrict water access for their cattle. I don’t know how many feel that way.
Has this been posted more than five times today?
Illegal Alien
It’s funny to me that the 70-30 split has done nothing to trouble happy’s thinking, which is predicated on his supposed pragmatism concerning marketing and demographics and sending the right message and such.
Yet, instead of seizing on a 70-30 split — and emboldening the other border states to take up similar legislation as a way to drive the direction of the illegal immigration debate (the feds will almost of necessity have to step in and create some sort of fix, albeit they’ll sell it as one that doesn’t curtail “civil rights”) — he continues to back the framing of the 30-percenters.
Why is that?
I find such thinking inconsistent, and anything but staunch.
Howsabout it, happy? Overwhelming support for the law. Which Arizona clearly adopted knowing the feds won’t help — indeed, aren’t helping and are almost ostentatiously ignoring the problems — and so sent a shot across the bow. They don’t have the money to build a wall. So they did what they could to spur other border states into taking action as well.
Do you really think people can’t distinguish between anti-immigrant and anti-illegal immigrant? Is everyone who doesn’t lunch on New Asian cuisine and designer cupcakes incapable of nuanced thought?
I have no tolerance left for people like you. Call me a pseudo-intellectual stay-at-home failed academic racist thug race baiter and be done with it already. Okthanks.
Did you see that Antarctic station that our South African friends have? Mr. Instapundit linked it yesterday. The picture wasn;t all that great so I googled and found this page.
very neat
Cranky, it would be interesting to talk to those ranchers. I have to wonder if they want it both ways..control the border, but leave us the water rights.
Slart – to a an economic refugee from Guatemala, that would be a crushing amount…
Hey, ‘feets. Just a little tip from someone who actually lives here in Arizona and is quite aware of the problem we have with illegal immigration; fuck you. Where the hell are we supposed to get the money to build a wall? We’re .5 billion in the hole on our budget. Where do we raise the cash to build said wall, and then man such wall? Care to pull that few billion out of your ass while you’re busy telling me how my state should be run? I mean, if you want us to do it, I’m sure you’ll front us the money. Right?
I’ll admit, you build some high-quality, if not disturbingly repetitive, straw-men. Here’s where you’re wrong. This isn’t a Team R issue. It’s a Team A issue. As in Team Arizona. See, we’re tired of the feckless, sackless, empty-promise-bearing assholes in that there “District of Columbia.” They won’t do their job. So we, those of us who actually live in Arizona, got a tad tired of being told that we can’t do anything. So we’re doing something. It may be the wrong thing. It may be the exact right thing. Whatever it ends up being, at least we’re doing something. Which, to be honest, is about 600% more than the federal government has been willing to do.
So really. Stop telling us that we’re doing the wrong thing. It’s our state. We don’t really give a flying fuck what you, the media, or the asstards in the federal government think.
Seeing as I’m not sure how many Arizona LEO’s read this blog (which they should damn well be doing), I figure I can answer for them. So, on behalf of the Arizona Law Enforcement Community… Fuck You Happyfeet. You are an asshole. COPS work their asses off. Nobody outside their community celebrates the good deeds they do, or the lives they save, or even pays attention when nothing bad happens. People, much like Happyfeet and our own super-awesome-president-of-unicorns, only seem to give a shit when something goes wrong. That’s all they see and that’s all they think the cops do. Trust me, ‘feets. We don’t have a “Brown People Beatdown Squad” rolling around and fucking people up. We have overworked cops doing their best in a tough environment where assholes from other states (like you), use Washington to tell them how to do their job, then cluck their tongues when things don’t work out. Screw you ‘feets. They’re doing the best they can.
Why won’t you?
/rant off
Comment by cranky-d on 4/27 @ 11:43 am #
Grieferfeet is off the deep end yet again. Nishi is proud of her little friend.
Maybe she’ll give ‘feets a handjob as a teaser. So he’ll keep on drinking the Kool-Aid, that is.
I think of grieferfeet as a casualty of war, Jeff. I think he was with us at some point, but he’s long gone now whether he was ever here or not.
Can I join the club? What do I have to do to get in!
Groucho Marx be damned!
Kresh, I do wish you’d stop pulling your punches….ow.
Bill Ayers knows how to use racial guilt to get off!
Blake, I would not be surprised if that were the case. What I saw was probably the result of some selective editing, where they left in the water issue while removing the border control issue.
You’ve almost convinced me. Still, National Sovereignity (is that a word?) probably trumps their land rights, and for all I know the government already claims some kind of easement along the border (I just thought of that possibility).
Slart, the Mexicans do indeed have a problem with illegals from Central/South American entering their country.
Do you want to know how the Mexicans patrol and secure their southern border to Central/South America?
They shoot intruders on sight.
Mr. Jeff immigration should not be taxing our time and attention now I don’t think. It’s not a Win. Team R already owns this issue, and there’s downside to over-owning it I think.
I think you are super cool by the way.
Cranky, I was just thinking out loud. So, if I came off as arguing, it wasn’t meant that way. More of an online discussion, as it were.
To go with your selective editing comment, you have to take the idea MSM interviewed border ranchers with a grain of salt.
You do make a good point about water access. Could very well be a huge stumbling block.
All I see here is discussion, Blake. I just threw out what I had seen, and after your input and giving it more thought, I changed my mind a bit.
Threw out -> stated, not rejected.
Happy, you forget the blowback against President Bush and amnesty during his term. Amnesty was scuttled by Team R during the Bush presidency. Something like 60 percent of the nation wanted the borders secured before amnesty was even discussed,let alone implemented.
Team D is making a mistake by bringing this issue to the forefront again.
The stupid is just too sad to watch.
Yeah, yeah, I know. You’re for both fiscal responsibility / accountability and SHUT UP to those who locate an area of law breaking that is draining many local state resources.
Simultaneously.
Staunchly.
The fact of the matter is, this is Arizona’s fight now. And soon it will be the fights of other border states. And I suspect people across the country will listen to the besieged people of those border states moreso than they will believe the spin being put out by the national Obama media and the federal government.
It’s all stacking up to be very grass rootsy. And the left’s rhetoric shield is losing its power to hold back the screeching yokels.
OOPS!
your little country needs lots of immigrants
Sweetie, why don’t we get us some immigrants from lots of different countries? If we amnesty the current illegals, how is that fair to the Kenyans and the Philippinos and the Chilenos and the Tongans and the Vietnameses who have to go by the book because they weren’t born in a country that adjoins the USA?
They’re jumping the line, ‘feets. That’s a problem. And that problem is made manifest by the BORDER ON FIRE and all the other ills that come with it.
Why do the Mexicans get to use forged documents when I can’t? Why do they get to jump in line ahead of the Congolese woman and her son who had to wait and wait and wait to come here to join her husband and his brother and wife and their kids?
Team R should be eager to share the freedoms and capitalisms with as many people as possible.
Yeah, our welfare roles need as many new conscripts as possible, ‘feets. The social pathologies such as teen pregnancies and abandonments and junk are just as common among illegals as inner-city blacks.
A new underclass who refuses to speak English and thinks that the Mexican Cession was theft is just the thing.
Where should our attention be focused? It seems logical that we might focus on this, since this is where the Dems are obviously heading as soon as Team R rolls over and they come up with a pseudo-bipartisan “fix” for financial reform.
‘feets:
Do you not recall that it was Bush and McCain and half of Team R who were pushing the comprehensive piece of garbage a few years back? Do you not remember that they called us all racists for saying Hell No?
It isn’t Team R that’s got the problem, it’s US
Jeff: It would appear that ‘feets was just here for the pie.
Rubio.
The American people have every right to expect the federal government to secure our borders and prevent illegal immigration.
ummm….a plea for larger federal government?
I hope Congress and the Obama Administration will use the Arizona legislation not as an excuse to try and jam through amnesty legislation, but to finally act on border states’ requests for help with security and fix the things about our immigration system that can be fixed right now
Simple solution…put secure borders in Obamnesty.
Then it can be a bipartisan bill that republicans can vote for!!
YEAH!
everybody wins.
<3
“…this is where the Dems are obviously heading…”
Well, except to propose any serious solutions to the problem as such. They want to talk about the Repubs talking about it, but not do anything in particular themselves, at least that’s the way it’s looking.
If our borders weren’t so damned porous, if people weren’t afraid of calling a spade a spade ‘cuz they might be thought racist, if people had any sense of proportion, we wouldn’t have this problem.
This is what happens when the fed refuses to fulfill its primary mission: to protect and defend the country’s physical borders. The states are forced to take the matter into their own hands, and they give less and less of a damn about the finer points of the law when the fed can’t seem to give a damn about the larger ones.
This is what we get, folks. When the fed stops listening to the people, this is what we get.
“…they give less and less of a damn about the finer points of the law…”
Which ones are these? I ask only because I’m not sure about the identity of the finer points the Arizonan’s are being accused of not giving a damn about.
Yeah. And about winning, watch the part that repeals the commerce clause and with it, Obarkycare. Because it’s all so Democratty.
I think that pointing out that people are lined up in Europe, Asia, Canada, and all over the world to get here, and that others are breaking the law and cutting in line, keeping good and decent law abiding people from being able to get in our country is a good good good thing. Plus, it serves the purpose of cutting off the nonsense from the likes of nishit the fucking liar that we are against immigrants, by showing what immigrants we are actually for, ones that do not break our laws. That cannot be a bad message, and in fact, is not.
…a plea for larger federal government?
You are painfully obtuse and dishonest, you fucking twat. It is a call for government to do one of its actual fucking jobs.
see? Even Princess Lindsey know what’s what now.
That should be your first clue that something is wrong.
Your BS detector is broken, duud. Getcha a new one.
Nishi, do you even understand that the federal government has few and enumerated powers? One of them being the border?
The welfare state, social security, farm subsidies are all part of big government, yet, are not enumerated powers from the Constitution. Rather, that is power the federal government grabbed, in spite of Constitutional limits.
People what were all fired up about the immigrations knew which party they were voting for before Arizona’s feckless law. Now an increasingly more bigger number of hispanics will know what party they will be voting for too.
I agree with dicentra at #142.
They’re scared because they are the white people party now, and they don’t think of the illegals as white.
This isn’t an accusation of racism?
WTF, ‘feets! Who the hell are you to accuse other people of racism? You read minds now?
No, you’re just buying in to Nishi’s batspittle insanity about demographics and the EVILNESS OF BEING WHITE!
Screw you ‘feets. Screw you into the ground.
happyfeet – Why do you assume that hispanics are monolithic in their alleged support for illegal immigration?
Ya know, Jeff…
Happy reminds me of a frequent poster at Wretchard’s pjmedia site named Whiskey. Both sport an impressive, personalized style, which grips their readers with either cogent, forceful litany or a bubbly, bewitching slang…but both, in the end, wind up throwing gasoline on the Left’s artificial class/race/gender conflicts.
At the end of the day, the elephant in the living room is…we are incrementally uniting with Mexico. To which I say, if Mexicans wold simply ratify our bill of rights, I’d say, “Let’s Party!” But, any recognition of American jurisprudence, right down to quaint writs like land titles and trial by a jury of peers, is anathema to the Left’s global shit-stirring.
It’d be great if we could focus on the elephant shitting on the berber by theSony flatscreen TV, instead of simply replaying the Left’s tired race-wars. Fact is, we will unify eventually with Mexico. But will it be on our terms, or on the Mexicans? ‘ This is the question that the Democrats apparently do not want to answer.
Rubio.
See?
I am standing with Mr. Rubio.
“fix the things about our immigration system that can be fixed right now”
oh yeah baby! Speed legislation! Pass Secure-Borders-Obamnesty with the same lightening speed that Bush and Congress devoted to Teri’s Law!!!
Keep Congress in session until its passed!!!
Fly Obama in at 1 AM to sign it!!!
oh wait…no need ….Obama lives there.
hahahahaha
No need to build a wall. Just enforce a simple law: Without proof that you are in this country legally, you are not entitled to any government transfer payments. You are not eligible for employment. If we catch anyone hiring you, we will deport you and fine them $10,000 for the first illegal hired, doubled for each additional illegal, and the counter never resets.
Take away the sugar and the ants leave.
JD hispanic peoples don’t need to feel like they can be stopped and harrassed just cause the feckless loser U.S. government can’t grow up and secure its borders I don’t think.
Already a loser nation, America is lesser cause of this law.
And that is contrary to this law, happyfeet. It is also contrary to the Executive Order accompanying this law, happyfeet.
I agree that the Feds are feckless, but that does not preclude Arizona from trying to do what is in their best interest.
#146: This was the dishonest take by Eugene Robinson in the WaPo today: the Tea Partiers are hypocrites if they don’t protest Arizona…
The only way that they will feel that way, happyfeet, is if you give in and allow dishonest interlocutors like nishi to frame the narrative and define you.
also that didn’t answer your question not even a little –
“…they can be stopped and harrassed…”
This hasn’t happened on account of this law though, has it? And it could be it will never happen, at least not enough to constitute a reasonable complaint. The enforcement may prove to be careful, reasonable, circumspect and successful for all we know now. And in the end prove to be effective. And to the general good of Arizona, and even possibly Arizona’s neighbor states.
Personally, I want to see President Obama campaign against the law passed in AZ. That way, we’re virtually assured similar versions of the law will pass in other states.
After all, President Obama has a sterling record when it comes to campaigning for winners during elections.
JD… that narrative and those feelings are a given. This is America. We are an increasingly dysfunctional nation built on identity group politics in which the power dynamic is rapidly shifting. Team R will wish it had argued fiscal responsibility and individual liberty. It can’t win on this issue cause it already owned it.
And the True Fact about hispanics is, they have yet to have their Tea Party moment what inspires them to vote in their numbers.
This will prove to have been an own goal I think.
If you want to force the federal government to its job, bring legal action.
You don’t enact a braindead unenforceable piece of legislation that hands the adversary an Epic PR coup that will turn a lot of demographics against you…..including one you should be wooing like mad (hispanics).
Consider my suggestion….put secure borders in Obamas bill and go fullthrottle to speed pass it…..you get props for being bipartisan, and props with hispanics by working ferverishly to pass the bill.
unless……Obamnesty is like HCR ….and anything AT ALL that passes is verry, verry bad for the GOP…..then I think you should go ahead and just say no.
;)
will every child what dies in a dirty socialist hospital die cause of Barack Obama’s evil fiddlings?
No.
But I bet there’s an inherent thumb on the evil fiddlings side of the scale.
Just keep doin’ what you’re doin’ Crazy Eddie Party.
cuz it works so well for you.
<3
“But I bet there’s an inherent thumb on the evil fiddlings side of the scale.”
Vis a vis Arizona? I’m not understanding I think.
Already in there. Next to the commerce clause repeal.
In this thread Blake has been a refreshing antidote to this rubbish.
I think he’s saying if it effects one person negatively it’s wholly a bad thing. ie, Obamacare won’t kill everybody, but it’s going to be a struggle to not be one of those poor slobs what gets dead from the malpractice.
that narrative and those feelings are a given.
And you DAMN WELL make sure it stays that way by accepting the premise and arguing on thread after thread after thread based on that premise. And see how many converts you make.
It makes YOU the winner and us the losers, duunnit?
How about Team R jump in the lake and the TEA Partiers respond to cries of RAAAAACISM by saying SCREW THAT NOISE!
Enough people are fed up with the effing race card and race wars and being called RAAAAAACISTS simply because they were guilty of PROTESTING WHILE WHITE that there is a potential for significant pushback with the latest effort to cast us as EVIL when all we want is to fix something that’s broken.
You get behind us if the momentum shifts, ‘feets? Are you one of those “viva el que vence” types? Like Peter Pettigrew? Look at who’s the most powerful and back the winner?
Into the ground, ‘feets. Into the ground.
No answer to the 70-30 thing from either of our resident conservative/”Team R” concern trolls?
Color me gobsmacked.
Mr. sdferr every not-happy story what arises when hispanic American ones have a not-happy encounter with… police… in Arizona… this law will very likely be implicated… and these hispanic Americans will tell other hispanic Americans.
It’s unlikely to build a groundswell of support for Team R among hispanic American ones.
dicentra’s going all capital letters on my ass
Heh, the other day I noted that the left is downright scared and their fear is permeating their every thought. I mentioned how I’ve seen an uptick in innapropriate comments in sports forums that I frequent. So, I’m reading this thread and just mozy on over to a sports forum for a minute and come across this gem in regards to the Arizona law from a guy named george…
The quote was about Antawn Jamison, a player on the Cavaliers. I don’t know, just thought it funny how out of place that comment was and the basic lie that it was to boot. Carry on.
“I think he’s saying if it effects one person negatively it’s wholly a bad thing.I think he’s saying if it effects one person negatively it’s wholly a bad thing.”
If that’s the deal, I don’t agree then. If enforcement rightly identifies 25,000 illegals and deals with them appropriately and mis-identifies 1 citizen and deals with that citizen inappropriately, I don’t think Arizonans are going to be complaining terribly loudly. Nor will anyone else buy such a weak case.
dude, JHo, do work son!
its a win-win.
Don’t like the repeal of the CC? make them take out or you wont play.
That is how sausagemaking in representative government works.
You don’t let your psycho racist fringe “go rogue” (heh) and enact jim Crowe laws targetting hispanics and then try to spin the law as states rights.
That is what got you in all this demographic trouble in the first place.
JefJeff, the 70-30 thing is a bit of a narrative destroyer. Hard to argue the bad name calling will overwhelm “Team R” – when even “Team D” supports the law in question.
I answered the 70/30 thing Mr. Jeff. Team R ones are getting all crusadered-up to win an issue they already own.
Have fun storming the castle I think.
Byron York does an excellent job explaining the new AZ law: http://tinyurl.com/2fexxdk
JHo, thanks, much appreciated.
you can tell they won cause the borders are secure and we no longer have an illegal problem.
Yep:
OT, and BTW: Now’s a great time to get into the stock market. Suis Greece and Portugal, there isn’t a single knowledgeable fund manager in Europe who is advising his clients to invest in Europe’s bourses. It’s gonna be all North America, all the time. But the flow of capital is just beginning to course. So, get in now while the dow’s hovering ’round 11thou. I expect it’ll go to 12,500 before July.
Related, Europe’s money-men like Soros and Marc Rich knew that Europe’s pensioners would siphon their monies out of Europe when the debt-sisters (the PIIGS) came a calling with their hands out. That’s why it was so important for Obama to erect a European social-welfare structure in America just in time for Greece’s reduced debt-rating. This way, every Euro invested in the Dow and the S&P can be taxed to fund America’s subservience to Obama’s imported, European designs.
Hence the timing of Obama’s new “tax-Wall-Street” agenda: it coincides perfectly with my predicted capital flow to America’s shores, and is just in time to assure that Europe’s capital is re-invested in Obama’s neo-European grotesqueries
No foul, no harm: To Soros, its “no loss” as America hamstrings herself with the Brit’s NHS. As all the Euro’s descend on America’s trading floors, “Obama’ll make them choke on it,” he’s saying with a smile, as he sips his decaffe latte along the Seine.
JHo, okfine, don’t take my cogent game theoretic advice……its that whole anti-science thing isn’t it?
and good luck with that alienating racial demographics….worked so well with african americans didn’t it?
I’m not trying to win converts dicentra I’m just telling you what I think in my head. It makes not even a little difference if nobody agrees with me.
There’s a heap of people working hard at refining warfighting strategies and tactics for the purposes of waging anti-insurgency warfare. They have many good ideas and proven on the field practices, ideas and practices that focus on identifying the insurgent correctly and not mis-identifying the non-insurgent whose life is improved by the removal of the insurgents. Get it?
I think it’s actually that whole anti-madness thing, noogie.
Word.
Nishi, Team D successfully sold a lie to Blacks in this country. Team D is trying to buy off Hispanics with welfare giveaways.
The country is split evenly between Team R and Team D. It’s independents that decide elections and they’re moving almost exclusively toward Team R, if Team R can prove its fiscal bona fides.
Team R may not be able to screw up the next election, but, it doesn’t mean they won’t try.
sdferr….no….all I see is tactics.
that is the problem.
you have no strategy to deal with the demographic timer.
the southern strategy wasn’t a strategy ……it was a tactic.
Just what is your strategy to deal with the cultural and demographic evolution of the American electorate in a representative republic?
A putsch? Secession?
I’m very interested.
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about nishi, other than that it seems to be a subject I haven’t addressed that is.
70-30, nishizonospambot. Choke on those demographics.
lawls.
;)
I get it sdferr but one bad apple gets a lot of media. Lie a lot a lot. On like Univision even.
Nishi, Team D successfully sold a lie to Blacks in this country
well…..even if you believe that, and I don’t, the operative word is successfully.
what do you do about it?
and it seems to me that Team D is outsmarting you again, with hispanics.
@192 Another reason to surrender. Do you have a list you’ll link to please?
Mike, last I looked, Arizona isnt capable of delivering the WH.
70-30 is a bug, not a feature.
“…one bad apple…”
And one effectively carried out policy gets results that improve the lives of legal residents of Arizona, be they citizens or legal aliens, be they hispanic in origin or self-identify in some other way, as Korean or Chinese or Irish or Jamaican or whatever, this gets approval and notice as effective governing. There are so many portraits to paint and so little time. Meanwhile, people live their lives, noticing things despite themselves even.
November 2, 2010 is coming. Tick, tock, tick, tock…
*like* a lot a lot is what that was supposed to be
oh. I think mostly you’ll just get rid of some illegals… I doubt it’ll get rid of the viciously crimey ones.
Just like people notice when they and the great mass of fellow citizens around them shout no!, we don’t want that stupid law you’re about to pass stupid tyrannical Congress, don’t do it, and then the stupid tyrannical Congress goes ahead and passes the stupid unwanted law anyway cause they are tyrants and they can. And the people notice the stupid tyrants dancing their asinine dance of victory after their folly, and the people say to themselves, hey, these tyrants are fools on top of being tyrants.
It ain’t just Arizona, nishi. It’s any state overrun by illegals. Aiding and abetting criminals will be Team D’s undoing. See also ACORN and SEIU.
“oh. I think mostly you’ll just get rid of some illegals… I doubt it’ll get rid of the viciously crimey ones.”
If it’s a kind of war (and it is) then I expect the people in Arizona charged with the responsibility of conducting the state’s side of that war-like fight to be very serious about that conduct. They won’t go off leaving drug murderers and kidnappers alone to their murders and kidnappings. They’ll stay on that case, I expect, and attrit it over time.
Oh, the fascist twat is back.
Anwser my question, twat.
Where in the Constitution is there “seperation of church and state”?
racist
No, Happy,
The Republicans are getting handed their dream issue, one that seventy percent of Americans want the law enforced on, due to the Democrat’s sudden realization that their party is in danger of not just losing the House and Senate in 2010, but being obliterated as a party.
Now, in their moment of existential angst, they reach for the old Democrat standby, the manufactured voter. They need 12 million fresh votersplus all the fake votes that the Democrat Machine can produce just to have a shot at remaining viable as a party.
In the current climate, or just about any climate, that is a marvelously deranged reflex since it will shake loose all but the pathological 20% of former democrat voters.
Allegiance to Barry has put them in a position where they have to play Illegal Alien Russian Roulette just to stay in the game.
Barry is a sign that God either hates the Democrats or America, becuase one of them is going down before this play is over.
I suppose Ohio isn’t either…
Nishi, you can believe what you want. Just because you believe, doesn’t make it so.
See, the difference between you and I, Nishi, is that I know how to accept what is and what was. Whereas you live in perpetual denial and think any aberration from the liberal doctrine is due to the stupidity of the unenlightened.
I tend to look back, see where the mistakes were made (see bailouts: President Bush, amnesty: President Bush, Transportation Bill: President Bush, Education Bill: President Bush, Farm Bill: President Bush, Medicare Part D: President Bush) and admit those were errors that helped doom the Republican cause.
Notice what the list has in common: profligate spending.
How’s your guy doing on the spending front, Nishi? Happy with all the new spending? I’m quite sure your team is going to be thrilled with more spending targeted to Hispanics.
Whereas the majority of Americans are tired of people coming here to take advantage of American generosity.
Tell you what, Nishi, why don’t you go find 10 illegal aliens, invite them to your house, and pay for everything in perpetuity, even if they expand due to having more kids.
At what point, Nishi, do you holler “enough” and kick them all out? Just remember, though, those illegal aliens you toss out into the street will probably call you a “racist.” Can you live with it? Own it? Revel in it?
Or, as said in another place and time, whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.
The madness of nishi is a telling clue.
happyfeet muttered: “Amnesty creates legal immigrants,”
No, Amnesty forgives illegal immigrants — not the same thing.
As for the law not accomplishing anything, it has managed to convince Mexico to instruct / warn citizens wishing to slip the border to avoid Arizona. Given that Mexico publishes manuals to help illegal immigrants get into the US and, given that Mexico has a financial interest in their success (remittances from the United States rank second, behind the nation’s petroleum industry, as a source of revenues), this should relieve some of the pressure on the Arizona border.
If it managed to do that, it isn’t useless.
I do not know. But I think the measure of fail will be if the Tea Party ones take up the issue of the immigrationings.
This is what they want, and I don’t see any reason why they’re not gonna get it.
They may rue having wanted what they want though. It happens. They may be making a serious mistake, after all.
oh. they being the dirty socialists…
assumed
but one thing we believe about socialism. It’s invariably dumb.
“Crazy Eddie Party.”
Anti-Semite.
Here’s one thing to be happy(feets) about:
Bob Bennet (R-UT), is THIRD in the GOP primary.
w00t!
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14964318
“…they give less and less of a damn about the finer points of the law…”
Which ones are these? I ask only because I’m not sure about the identity of the finer points the Arizonan’s are being accused of not giving a damn about.
The part where they can be stopped during “lawful contact,” which is what Darleen was arguing against a couple threads back.
I hope they are making a serious mistake I just don’t see how…
I think it throws Team R off-message and risks making the elections a referendum on immigration, or, at best, border security.
And the mandate that our weak of character unstaunchy Team R needs to be receiving is not a mandate about border security I don’t think.
And I think it risks an hispanic Tea Party moment, where they are galvanized to oppose Team R.
that is cheerful news dicentra thank you
It’s entirely unclear that they “don’t give a damn” about that though, where on the contrary they are quite mindful of it and may proceed with great care to be respectful of all the laws of the United States and of Arizona as they implement their enforcement. So, unless we have Arizonans responsible saying “we don’t give a damn” then to that extent I’m going to keep a skeptical stance to any such claims.
“…risks making the elections a referendum on immigration, or, at best, border security.”
I’d have to be supposing an awful lot of facts not currently in evidence in order to get to that place though. It’s just as easy not to, taking my own concerns as remotely relevant to the prevailing questions before the peoples as they go about deciding the make-up of their next set of Representatives.
Exactly ike the liberals are using GoldmanSachs media coverage (Cspan-3…its deliciously brutal) to force more cloture votes until they get what they want….a floor discussion….where they can pillory the republicans daily in the media…..
the liberals are going to use the Arizona bill to jumpstart Obamnesty.
I’m starting to think the rightside is not Crazy Eddie….just stupid.
maybe so Mr. sdferr. Sometimes I overstate things. But immigration can sure suck up a lot of oxygen.
I’ll leave it at that.
I’m still thinking an awful lot of people got tyrant branded on their hearts a few weeks ago and they won’t be forgetting it any time soon. It was an exceptional event in the history of the nation, I think.
It was a horrifying event.
sillie, sillie proteins.
the Tea Party is not separable from republicans, republicans are not separable from conservatives.
there will never be a hispanic Tea Party ‘feets.
fiscal reform is just a cloaking device for a white conservative christian grievance movement.
the tea partiers “want their country back”.
yea because mccain kennedy was such a big hit racist
tear up the black jesus’ american excess™ card
The cracks are starting to appear in Nishi’s pseudo-intellectual armor plating. Like all liberals who spent years thinking about social justice, they never considered how much of a beating a country would have to take to implement. Whenever that beating was done, it was done to some little brown people in some dirty little country somewhere, and certainly not to anyone that Nishi knew.
So Nishi gazed longingly at Cuba and wore Che! shirts to the coffee shop. Never bothering to think about the fact that a double latte cost a quarter of what the average resident of Havana makes in a month, much less why that was. there is dignity in (other people’) poverty, you see.
Ignorance is bliss, nishi, but you’re starting to wise up, and it scares you. You can keep up the brave face and we will all play along, but in your heart of hearts you are starting to think just like Rush…
‘I sure do hope barack fails’.
‘feets, I think you’re ignoring contrary evidence. Like, almost all of it.
To the degree others are ignoring your case, this can be fixed by publicly embracing global legal immigration loudly and often. And then once more. And again. (Which I’d like anyways because we need young people and babies to make it through our entitlement crisis.)
70/30 though. Can’t be ignored. Neither can the general polling on this issue. Neither can Obama’s and the congressional Dems’ unpopularity. Neither can high unemployment. Neither can the shitty economy. Neither can peoples’ general law and order instincts.
Perhaps, somehow, you think, if they’re bringing this issue up, it must be smart politically. Why the sheer political bungling on Obamacare then? Why even mention Cap and Trade? Why continue to spend like maniacs with nothing to show for it but public scorn? No, they’re trying to achieve goals incongruous with political success. They’ll pay for it. Perhaps for a very long time.
Sometimes your enemies are fools, even more so than your loosest allies. At those times, you should simply be thankful rather than struggling mightily to convince yourself otherwise.
lmc…..
Anti-Semite.
??? Crazy Eddie was a motie, not a jew.
by “hispanic Tea Party moment” I just mean they might could get galvanized and united and votey and active…
Nishi’s entire worldview is race-based. Starting with eugenics and working down.
Dr. King was a very silly man, wasn’t he, Nishi? The content of their character? Feh, not in Nishi’s world…
I LIKES THE MANY GLOBAL IMMIGRATIONS! Immigrants are friends not food I think. They are beneficent, which is hard to spell.
nishi’s entire worldview is demographics-based I think Spiny, or a lot of it is, and her points are not really a lot different from Mr. Steyn’s. She’s just all tickled pink about it is all.
Mr. W, I am a hereditary republican, guns, dogs and ponyclub….one side of my ancestors owned land (a lot of land), the other side owned sweat shops and factories.
I believed all that god and country supplyside economics superawesome world police bullshytt.
Until 2 years ago….then I realized I had been lied to a lot.
Then I worked on Obamas campaign, phone and campus GOTV.
I am a registered democrat now.
Where do the Dem unions stand on illegal immigration? Fact is, that this issue rips apart Dems every bit as much as it may Republicans. Except for the fact the Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of amnesty, and overwhelmingly approve of increased border security and enforcement. Neither of those is part of any Dem plan, in any meaningful way.
wrong racist
I’m going to post this comment again, because it is apparent that someone did not read it the first time:
Actually my world view is Science-based.
Cultural evolution and demographics are Science.
lawl…that’s what you get for using google L(ovely)M(oco)C(hang)
read the book.
Not one thing you have ever posted here would lead the average reader to believe that nonsense, Nishi.
Nishi…Wow, just wow.
that’s history racist. if you can’t repeat the experiment and get the same results it ain’t science.
but… but… it involves numbers with percent signs even!
Not quite. Steyn is talking about culture and values; Nishi is talking about race, always race.
Spiny, I was one of Jeff’s regular guest bloggers.
Linked by Instapundit and John Derbyshire at NRO.
That was then.
So what was it that brought out your inner racist?
Legal self-identifying Americans of hispanic origin won’t want to be joining a club which promises to kick them in the feely parts as soon as they join up, I don’t think.
But this is what ignoring reasonable law enforcement for the sake of overlooking con-sanguine illegals amounts to. It’s anti-sense from the get go, and I wouldn’t attribute anti-sense to legal self-identifying Americans of hispanic origin. And I’d bet they wouldn’t want us to either.
the racist party is a perfect fit
Children born today will be slaves to the debts their grandparents are currently running up. They will grow up in a country with terrible schools, horrible job prospects, and awful conditions for starting their own businesses or escaping the hopelessness they’ve been born into. These disadvantages will leave them unable to pay their regular living expenses, much less paying off the debts they inherit. And all thanks to the Alinsky’s Children.
And little Katie, who thinks that playing with pipettes all day makes her a Certified Scientific Geenyus, thinks that these coming generations are going to support further socialism, on account of how well they’ve been treated. She believes this because she knows that the politically connected 1% will continue to play class warfare games, making the lower castes believe they’re sticking it to The Man, when in fact they’re only perpetuating their own misery.
Little Katie Scientist gets damp in the panties at the thought of all those twodigits living in hopelessness, impotently venting their hatred at Katie and her fellow elites, while she plays games with the masses from her penthouse apartment.
She really believes herself a Superior Being. I once thought she was pitiable in her delusions, but that was before I realized just how monstrous she is.
Other than her screeching, there is NO evidence that nishit the racist twat was ever a classical liberal or a conservative. That is a fairy tale that she continues to claim as reality.
??? Crazy Eddie was a motie, not a jew.
You may have thought so, but you were wrong. Anyway, unconsciously, I’m sure you knew what you were saying by calling Republicans the party of Jewish criminals. Any reasonable person could see what you meant miles away. Don’t back out now.
I’m sticking with the former. Anyone who cranked their worldview 180 and became a sad griefer over freakin’ stem cells would be the sort of monster you could distract with a candy bar and a comic book.
Definitely the latter. She wants to be on the “right side” of history. Which means she wants to sit at the popular kids’ table in the cafeteria — and she doesn’t care what dweeb she has to stuff in a locker to get her some love from the beautiful peoples.
Writ round monster.
Oh, I thought you were talking about CJ for a moment there…
Squid is bang on in par 1 I think.
It’s just that bad to where we’re spending mos our lives living in Alinsky’s paradise I think.
Fixed!
“I am a registered democrat now.”
No, you’re a registered fascist twat now.
Howz about answering the question, nishit?
Where in the Constitution is “seperation of church and state”?
Totally consistent.
“and she doesn’t care what dweeb she has to stuff in a locker to get her some love from the beautiful peoples.” Looks to me like it’ll be the Jews. Wow.
“Comment by Nishi the Kingslayer on 4/27 @ 3:30 pm #
Spiny, I was one of Jeff’s regular guest bloggers.
Linked by Instapundit and John Derbyshire at NRO.
That was then.”
Now you’re a pitiful fascist twat.
Way to auger in, nishit.
As opposed to John Derbyshire at Mother Jones.
I am a hereditary republican, guns, dogs and ponyclub…
A trust-fund baby. I might have known…
Gotta love that white, upper-crust guilt.
lulz.
;)
nishit, did they have to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dogs to play with you?
It’s entirely unclear that they “don’t give a damn” about that though,
You’re right. I was imprecice.
I’M the one who is having a hard time giving a damn.
Dicentra? I tried to leave this at your place, but I do not have or want anything to do with Google. I’ll leave it here.
1) I live in an area that probably half the residents are illegal (including children,so adults? maybe 1/4) English speakers, even amongst the legal immigrants are hard to come by.
2)I think, and I hate to channel Happy, that they’re being egged on by the repatriation groups, who are headed by none other than the usual suspects (Sharpton,Jackson,Obama)
3)Although I have nothing but anecdotal evidence, It’s been very clear that here in Framingham, MA. white folks need not apply in the whole of south Framingham. All menus are in Portuguese or Spanish. Most stores are run by Latinos. If you’re not bilingual don’t even bother. Could we move? yes, but my shop is here.
4)Tell me about it. The Tax structure here is strained to the breaking point. I’m paying somewhat crippling property(read-School) taxes for a community that one in 5 is illegal. Not to say that I don’t like a lot of these kids, they’re friends of the kids…But I don’t want to pay for them.
5) See # 3
6)I’ve not seen nor heard anything like that around here, but honestly? so what? They can leave. The US doesn’t owe them a living and they shouldn’t be here in the first place. I’m not heartless, just anti-illegal.
7)I simply don’t see a solution for this. They hide like cockroaches. I’ve seen raids where maybe 40 people run out of a duplex. The Census is a bloody joke…
8) Now I KNOW you won’t marry me
Love, your PW Stalker.
‘feets, are you taking into consideration that Team D is pushing for amnesty not because of their vaunted compassion but because the labor unions are slavering for more inductees?
And furthermore that a huge part of the healthcare bill was to offload the union’s healthcare committments onto the general population?
And that the healthcare bill was wildly unpopular, and if we rightly identify the calls of RAAAAACISM as a smokescreen to hide the union aspirations, then that’s got lots of caché?
Nishi.
Sweetie.
The Goldman Sachs stuff is worse than Kabuki theater, it’s an effing show trial. They’re ritually ripping the heart out of GS, only it isn’t real—it’s David Copperfield making the statue of liberty disappear.
After the curtain falls, GS will go back to business making truckloads of cash off the impending Chicago Climate Exchange.
How many GS brass are currently in the administration, huh?
How much $$$ does GS have invested in the CCX, huh?
Don’t you realize that this is fake fake fake, like the old USSR trials?
You’re a fool to be taken in by it. A damned fool.
Pony! h/t neo-neocon
Not’s cute as an otter, but odder.
Mr. W, I am a hereditary republican, guns, dogs and ponyclub….one side of my ancestors owned land (a lot of land), the other side owned sweat shops and factories.
Ooooh. TRUST-FUND BABY!
No wonder.
I had an aspie friend like that whose parents put her in the assylum and pumped her full of Haldol because she wasn’t interested in Going To The Right Schools and Making All The Right Friends and being one of them.
She’s farther left than you’ll ever dream. She lives in a commune. She believes in polyamory.
Pity Nishi, folks. She’s like the woman who hates men because of the gang-raping. Can’t blame her. Can’t blame her at all.
Of course, that doesn’t mean her views aren’t distorted; it just means they’re understandable.
Can’t really disagree with that. Perhaps I simply mean to express how utterly unimpressed I am with her. She’s a very dime a dozen sort of monster because of her low persuasive ability, I think.
Happy? love you like a brother, but Di has the right of it.
‘feets, are you taking into consideration that Team D is pushing for amnesty not because of their vaunted compassion but because the labor unions are slavering for more inductees?
And furthermore that a huge part of the healthcare bill was to offload the union’s healthcare committments onto the general population?
And that the healthcare bill was wildly unpopular, and if we rightly identify the calls of RAAAAACISM as a smokescreen to hide the union aspirations, then that’s got lots of caché?
She missed two things though, both related, and I know she knows them. This was about VOTES. To make the Dimmicrats a permanent majority. The more important thing she missed though was the Thursday vote to make Puerto Rico a state. That is ALL about pandering to the Latinos and expanding on the class warfare the dims want.
More because of her inability to think things through. She can probably add 2+2 and get 4, but she’s not good with abstractions.
Time to lookEvabody look up the Joyce Foundation and the Chicago Climate Exchange.
Joyce Foundation is so big it funds Soros.
Joyce Foundation got the CCX off the ground.
It’s being run by the same corrupt fool what got the idea to bundle the bad mortgages. Now he’s going to bundle carbon credits.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
Seriously, you have to see Glenn Beck’s program from yesterday (26 Apr 10).
http://watchglennbeck.com/
Someone tipped him off to the tangled web between the CCX, the Joyce Foundation, Bill Ayers’s brother, Goldman Sachs, Al Gore, and a whole host of nasty players.
It’ll make your head spin.
And it’ll make you so mad you can spit. Mad at your own impotence at the juggernaut that is being constructed in the shadows that will grind us all to dust.
Saw it Di, thought pretty much the same thing. NOTHING we can do except emigrate to???
On the other hand? On Craigs list, there are jobs in Antarctica that I’m eminently qualified for…
I am betting that Nishi went off to a very expensive college with an empty head and a pocket full of daddy’s credit cards. Soon after arriving she fell under the spell of the inevitable campus cliche.
That’s right, that lovable leftist cad, the anarcho-communist with the social justice patter got young nishi bedded and wedded to all the left- liberal pap.
He introduced her to Chomsky like communism was a secret that was so good that everybody was trying to suppress it. Just ignore the 100 million bodies stacked like cordwood, Nish’. They were all ‘The Man’, every one of them. They were just frontin’ in the peasant clothes for cover.
Consider yourself enlightened, don’t you?
I recommend the Holocaust museum for some National Socialist deprogramming. You can take your little friend from school. You know, the one with the rage and the small penis.
darleen should post that one. i mean the gangs all there.
we can go live with Mr. A and learn how to make kangaroo sausages
dicentra I understand that the dirty socialists are evil and also evil… it’s just I don’t think Team R is going to help itself by getting all mixed up in an immigration framing spat that they are sure to lose.
Team R is the party for the people what have had it up to here with the illegal immigrants.
We know that.
Everybody knows that.
They knew it in 2008.
PR voted statehood DOWN three times since 1991. This is a problem area.
I’ll leave it at that.
“Someone tipped him off to the tangled web between the CCX, the Joyce Foundation, Bill Ayers’s brother, Goldman Sachs, Al Gore, and a whole host of nasty players.”
You mean this wasn’t already on the blackboard?
I think we should have to merge two worthless dirty socialist states before we let PR in. Maybe Rhode Island can be like the eastern part of California.
That was the year McCain was the Republican candidate, right?
yea pr wants to pay federal income tax
link
That was the year McCain was the Republican candidate, right?
yes.
I don’t know why that cracks me up but it does.
Point being, in 2008, any voters motivated by illegal immigration wouldn’t have had a party to vote for. The GOP itself had just crashed and burned attempting to pass legislation viewed as too lenient towards illegals and McCain led the charge.
I just remembered how terrible it was for us to have McCain as a nominee.
Excuse me while I go cry in the shower.
Princess Lindsey was re-elected handily
I think that race-card is going to need a recharging – soon.
nz-ra batteries are running low
yea because pelosi and reid wouldn’t be doing this shit. mcsenile wouldn’t be reaching across the aisle
As opposed to John Derbyshire at Mother Jones.
nah.
as opposed to John Derbyshire at the Secular Racists blog.
McCain is an object lesson in how someone on Team R can go out of their way to piss off Team R, and do everything humanly possible to endear themselves to Team Dirty Socialist, and Team Dirty Socialist will still savage them in the end. Trying to play nice, make nice and pretty optics, and take your cues from the MSM or the lying twats like nishit is a recipe for making yourself completely irrelevant.
And behold!
just couldn’t keep that ol’ racist feeling bottled up until after the midterms, lol.
Fuck you, twat. You call us racists multiple times a day, based on not one fucking thing. You are an oozing fistula on the chocolate starfish of humanity.
I do get why nishit the racist twat would link to andy sully. Andy is down on his knees next to nishit waiting for their facial from Teh One.
john derbyshire like tom freidman are stalinist goons
Puerto Rico needs them some monies.
From an email:
The email was sent from Naomi Lopez Bauman.
For what it’s worth.
and mccain deadkennedy did so well last time
I can’t wait for those marches with La Raza signs and Mexican flags in an economy with unemployment in the double digits. “What do you mean you don’t want millions of new people suddenly flooding the legitimate labor market at a time of massive unemployment and the overextension of government services? Racists!”
That’ll sell well for the “but we’re for fiscal responsibility too!” Democrats.
Here’s my guess at the reaction from the vast majority of the electorate: “I think we’ve engaged in quite enough symbolism for one election cycle, thank you. Now piss off, the lot of you.”
latino cloward piven si
should have left more old white people die w/o’care before pushing this gambit
And that’s what I call not eye on the ball, Jack.
did you hear what the little president man said today I wool look and see if I can find
*will*
brb
It’s already over in the xen thread isn’t it hf?
This is all going to hinge on enforcement.
Wrangling about the letter of the law is largely pointless. It’s all about what standards the cops will actually use, as oppose to what standards they are supposed to use, to determine what amounts to reasonable suspicion of being illegal as well as what constitutes “proof” of citizenship.
It’s all going to hinge on whether or not this ends up causing a lot of legal hispanics to be detained or even just frequently confronted without reasonable suspicion.
Nishi mewled: “??? Crazy Eddie was a motie, not a jew.”
Eddie Antar of “Crazy Eddie” fame was, ethnically, a Syrian Jew.
He was also perhaps my favorite fraud case-study, but that’s another story entirely.
Ditto.
s well as what constitutes “proof” of citizenship.
Multiple avenues of proof are specifically laid out in the law.
i don’t know who that is.
I was referring to Mote in God’s Eye, and Crazy Eddie syndrome, and the Crazy Eddie point……all from a scifi book Jeff should read.
I got distracted Mr. Bret Michaels had a brain hemorrhage no one tells me anything.
’cause all the “legal” hispanics care so much about the loser hispanics breaking laws
Damn, nishi is retarded.
Like these?
;^)
It went over well then, too.
oh. maybe sdferr I couldn’t keep up with everything this afternoon cause of the work and none of you helped me with my biscuit problem.
Nope, that looks like a different saying hf.
you’re really stupid about ny/nj popular culture circa the 1980’s. but everything else you’re an expert.
oh. the one about how everyone is entitled to unmolested ice cream adventures.
I’m not even hispanic and that one tugs at me.
When the La Raza losers dragged out their Mexican flags in California back in ’94, Pete Wilson and Prop 187 won in a landslide. Let’s hope they are similarly stupid this year.
In theory, there are few issues on which there is more vigorous bipartisan agreement than fiscal responsibility, Obama said
He really does think that everyone is stupid, and he can do some kind of Jedi-mind-trick that will make people think that he has even a tenuous grasp on the concept of fiscal responsibility.
I’d be much obliged to help you with your biscuit problem.
that’s ok I fixed
thank you though
Happyfeet @48 “Police are stupid and creul it’s their job”.This is from some little piece of shit who was whining about getting mugged for a cell phon awhile back. A policetard would have put his life on the line to keep you from getting hurt. This ranks with Kos’s screw the they are mercinaries line. I hope the next time you get mugged you get the shit stomped out of you ya fuckin maggot.
As I said, nishi’s reality is science-fiction based. She’s living in her own ficton.
I think you give her too much credit, Slarti. Her reality is so far removed from even science-fiction. It is far closer to an outright fantasy world.
hey I spelled cruel right
Mike LaRoche
They killed Amnesty in 2006, too. The photos in my #35 were from the LA Times coverage of the same protest. I was surprised the Times didn’t try to hide the Mexican flags (as they did on a later protest march). Too many of them, I guess.
One thing La Raza is expert at is creating backlash…
Is the resident troll going to argue that the Left’s “neener neeners” about how white people will soon become politically impotent (and then the brown people will really get even, wink, wink) is designed to inspire Joe and Jane Sixpack to open their arms to our uninvited friends from South of the Border?
Or could it be quite the other thing?
The bleach-blonde stern dark-browed Hill lady who doesn’t like to use her name — so I won’t either — says this here is all about whipping up on the Democrat base.
Protracted whipping will leave unsightly welts. They should take care.
It’s quite the other thing. She’s seeking revenge for being a child of privilege. Our very own Billy Ayres wannabe.
can you spell f-a-g-g-o-t? smoke ’em if you got ’em
Who is the bleach-blonde stern dark-browed Hill lady?
Justified is on.
oh. Does deference to authority combined with an intense concern for the nature of that authority and its legitimate grounds grows
naturally in conservative soil?
*grow* naturally I mean
I only saw the first one of Justified. Does it get more… fun?
The AB one JD.
The democrat propogandologist one, that’s an editor for The Hill.
mostly its fuck the gov’t and the pinheads who eat swiss cake rolls and rely on their dc cred for money like section 8 peoples
I was more thinking that if I wanted to make people comfortable with strangers and promote peace love and harmony, I certainly wouldn’t keep pointing out how the new people were going to change everything you like and do things to fuck you over. If I did that, one would be quite right in assuming that I wanted to sow conflict between the current people and the new people.
On the other hand, if I really wanted people to get along, I would counsel the new people to act gratefully and graciously – you know, good manners.
happyfeet – I would say that it remains uniformly dark, but every bit as entertaining. I really enjoy Oliphant.
I’ll try episode 2 this weekend. I like the boss cop guy in Kentucky… one of those character actors what doesn’t get the love he deserves.
They keep casting some cool actors. Last episode had Tony Hale.
Nick Searcy, he was on that 7 days back in the 90s, And any show with Natalie Zea, she was on the Shield
for a bit, and another series, is worth watching
whoa – imdb says he hasn’t had time to sleep since Arrested Development…
slow down, buddy
Nick Searcy. yes.
7 Days I thought was so awful I really tried… the Russian chick was off-putting…
oh.
others must have thought so too.
Arthur speaks the truth about Natalie Zea.
Oliphant’s ex is not hard on the eyes, nor is Eva.
The criminal psycho preaching the Lord’s word is a great character.
I was wondering how the ex would turn out. She looked like a tv ex I thought. Namely cause she got out of bed in the middle of the night looking really really too really easy on the eyes.
“Rasmussen: Majority of Latinos in Arizona support letting cops check for immigration status?”*
The ex reminds me of the coach’s wife on Friday Night Lights. With nicer legs.
Okay, I should have thought of this myself before linking but from that thread’s comments:
So, yeah, grain of salt.
The ex, Natalie Zea, was predominantly walking around in her underwear in Dirty Sexy Money. And it still wasn’t good enough to watch. Go figure.
happyfeet kind of freaks me out.
hispanics are tricksy to sample cause you have to screen for acculturation so you understand what you get… the quick and dirty way is to do an all spanish / some english / mostly english type screen of from three to five boxes, but most hispaniculturalist peoples will tell you that’s all kinds of inadequate
hi cynn you kind of freak me out too but not really
I did not know that.
I did not know about the screening to sample Latinos, that is.
it’s cause the way they get hispanic sample is by surname, which is increasingly less than meaningless
Yeah, why look at assimilated Hispanic people? They’re sooooo 5 years ago.
They need to press “2” for Spanish.
I watched that show, bh, and did not put it together that she was the lingerie lady from that show. I was one of 14 people in the United States that like that show.
’cause axing them if they’re citizens of mexico is verbotten
The photos in my #35 were from the LA Times coverage of the same protest. I was surprised the Times didn’t try to hide the Mexican flags (as they did on a later protest march). Too many of them, I guess.
I wouldn’t put it past the LA Times to use photoshop – the low-rent propagandists.
that’s why you do an acculturation scale Pablo, so you know which ones are assimilatered…
Zounds!
Silly assimilated Hispanic, don’t you know you don’t count anymore?
=^(
Well, with that being the case, JD, I feel required to point out that she was actually naked and having the sex business in that terrible HBO show, Hung.
I doubt they stooped that low. For the follow-up protest, organizers handed out little US flags for the marchers to carry, and there weren’t so many big Mexican flags…
I wish they would do polls where they ask people who legally immigrated what they think of this, people of hispanic descent by nationality what they think, and people who live in states that are relatively unaffected as opposed to States that it is a huge influence.
Hung is a racist movie, no? I will endeavor to find that. Thank you, thank you very much.
Egad. I tried to watch that show, on a couple of occssions, but I fell asleep out of boredom before seeing any nekkidness…
Illegal Immigration is bad because;
1. it’s an economic issue; the money that border jumpers make here in America, they pay no taxes, and send it to Mexico.
2. it’s illegal
3. it creates a system akin to slavery, allowing companies big and small to take advantage of illegals and pay them less and not offer them any job benefits or accommodations.
4. violent, roving, border gangs that behead, murder, plunder and pillage innocent civilians.
Now, is that clear enough for our trolls to understand why people are upset? Or am I going to be called racist for stating facts?
JD that is very close to how it is done, except there’s usually no reason to get all worked up about citizenship to sell people consumer packaged goods.
it creates a system as far from slavery as…
jeez it’s far ok
happy – maybe someone could merge politics and consumer polling to get some answers to what I would consider to be interesting questions.
Law makes it a crime to be illegal.
I recommend these ones JD.
They’re leftish but they’re very professional and on top of their game. I don’t know if the would take a right-side client or not – but they would do a good job I think if they did.
insert like 107 disclaimers here
if *they* would take I mean
How much would a really good and comprehensive poll cost, happyfeet? Say I wanted to do an in-depth analysis of this issue, as broken down above, as well as race in a broader context.
that’s a good question – for it to be a a lot of questions and nationally representative I think it would *start* at 120K… I say this cause I would steer you away from using a 100% online sample cause of they’re just not representative enough for policy work
Damn, I don’t have that kind of money laying around. Team R is clearly not smart enough to ask the right questions. I wonder who would?
I take that back
POLICY UPDATE: fuck wetbacks.
oh my so un progg
I do not see what the quoted comment and the policy update in #387 have to do with each other.
it would be cheaper cause you’re not screening for anything but demographics… usually there’s having to make sure someone uses laundry detergent or razor blades or drinks brand x beer whatever first and that raises costs… but here it’s easier…
so… you could shoot for $40K for a really solid set of data I think – you might get 1500 completes like that
so progg D meets progg R in a desert and a tie is involve
ramblings of a queertoid
ramblings of a laloser
Mr. router sometimes my impression is you are not sensitive to my feelings.
market stupid stuff the little hf
Is that Engrish, newrouter, or should I ask to see your papers?
team d likes that sh*t. also slice up any clitoris. team Islam likes that better.
i likes team I they slice and dice team hf
newrouter is apparently in no mood to be even remotely civil tonight.
it’s unfortunate
He is really no worse than nishi.
yes dumb folks stroking their egos
hey that horsey upbringing be good that and latte and stuff
Alrighty then …
Oh. I’m breaking this up.
This, because of the post; and because it reminds of another post from a little while back.
The Imam guy has started something with his Boobquake deal. Next thing we know he’ll be attributing volcanoes to bang-flashing g-strings and it’s off to the raceys. He wouldn’t though, would he?
You know, that #boobquake thing happened Monday, and I missed the whole dealio. Swoooosh.
The gal who started it all is a braggart atheist, and a feministe blogger. But, kudos for the Iman slapdown.
no jd idiocy caused everything
Iman. That was a typo. I think.
yeah, but that’s sort of not flaring up right now, newrouter. We’re all chillin’ in the zen of boobquakery.
God I love science.
Science!
Science!
That boobquake girl is from Purdue, and was on the news for the last couple days. Why don’t people that you would like to see their cleavage ever participate in these things?
Just caught a few minutes of the Krukster singing the praises of Ubaldo Jimenez and hokey smoke that kid can bring it.
Krukster? Do you mean Johnny OneNut?
Goodnight, all.
I just wanted a good chile relleno and some good quality, inexpensive plaster.
Not sure if it was the cheese or the Tecate, but a simple “disculpa” doesn’t seem to work these days
Schaefer Light should be avoided at all costs.
For some reason that reminded me of the semi-recurring “Latino Outing” skit from In Living Color. Which in turn reminded me of their “Star Trek: The Wrath of Farrakhan” skit.
Which was a lot funnier as an idea than it was in actual execution.
Nearly three decades too late for me, alas. She seems pretty cool.
Not to be confused with Dempster-Shafer.
Now this story is awesome:
The Arizona Governor should apply some Texas tactics to the illegal alien issue (Click the link slackers;-).
OT, sort of:
I was standing in line in the company cafeteria, behind some guy from marketing or business development or some such, and the guy was wearing so much cologne that it created a sort of olfactory repulsion force around him. Increased his personal space by a few hundred percent, I think.
For some reason, this made me think of nishi, and her emphasis on winning hearts and minds whilst simultaneously rhetorically peeing all over everyone. It’s personal-space-creating, I think.
I wonder if the BD types can tolerate each other’s colognes?
First Arizona then Utah:
FTA:
“UTAH STATE REP. STEPHEN SANDSTROM, R – UTAH: Well, good evening, Greta. It’s good to be on the show. Right now, it’s actually imperative that the state of Utah act aggressively with the same type of legislation that we have in Arizona because in the past, when Arizona has tightened the noose around illegal immigration, so to speak, we’ve seen an influx of illegal aliens leaving the state of Arizona and coming directly to Utah because Utah is seen as a magnet state. We seen as — we’re seeing as being light on illegal immigration here.
VAN SUSTEREN: What’s the reception in Utah? I mean, are people actually — I mean, I can understand why the border states — they’re — you know, they’ve been dealing with the issues of crime and drugs for quite some time. But Utah is a little bit distant from the border. Are you actually feeling some of the illegal immigration in your state?
SANDSTROM: We certainly are, Greta. Here in the state of Utah, we border to the south with Arizona, and we are seeing the same type of criminal activity here. For instance, over 50,000 of the children in the state of Utah have had their identities stolen by illegal aliens for job- related felonies. We’ve also seen a huge increase in criminal activity, with gang-related violence, drug-related violence all attributed to illegal immigration here in our state.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you worry because, you know, this — I mean, our country — you know, we want to, you know, protect our citizens. We want to ferret out crime. We want to prosecute crime. And we also want to make sure that, you know, we adhere to our Constitution. Do you worry that there will be infringement of constitutional rights or there’ll be civil rights violations? Do you worry that with the statute you are drafting?
SANDSTROM: You know, I’m not worried about that happening because, as the good sheriff just indicated, when you’re stopped for a traffic stop, there has to be probable cause to pursue any type of arrest. And if somebody’s stopped here in the state of Utah and they do not have a driver’s license, they do not have a, say, resident alien card and they do not speak English, that may establish probable cause.”
Perhaps the Federal Government will get the message and respond with something other than insults and threats to U.S. citizens on the leading edge of the battleground.
Although if this article is any indication; I won’t hold my breath.
Slart,
You up early or late?
Early. I am on EDT.
“i don’t know who that is.
I was referring to Mote in God’s Eye, and Crazy Eddie syndrome, and the Crazy Eddie point……all from a scifi book Jeff should read.”
I wish I could help you, but usage is meaning, right? Everyone cool on the East Coast uses “Crazy Eddie” as a modifier when they mean “horrible, hook-nosed, grasping, criminal Jew”.
Maybe you should write a taxonomy and help them out?
How? Unions don’t negate the laws of supply and demand.
“I was referring to Mote in God’s Eye, and Crazy Eddie syndrome, and the Crazy Eddie point……”
[raises ahnd in back of class]
Ummmm…..
Moties aren’t humans.
Which is kinda THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING BOOK YOU STOOOPID, IGNORANT FASCIST SLIT..
Did nishams really link Andrew Sullivan ?
(Careful with that link. How’s it go? HAIRY TRIGGER WARNING!!1!11!! )
I love how the Left has rediscovered the Constitution. They pass a law mandating that I purchase a defined product from an approved private company, and then have the audacity to whine about the Constitution?
Way off-topic, but Steny Hoyer’s column in the WSJ this morning will bring you to tears of laughter.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575194113752103610.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
It takes him all of 6 sentences before he blames Buuuuuuuuuuussssssssshhhhhhhhh.
And only 5 sentences to lie. He’s good, huh?
Oh, you are right, Pablo. My gut was telling me that he lied prior to that, but amazingly enough, whoever wrote that for him was honest for 4 whole sentences.
…..redneck racist hicks out to keep the brown man down…
Meanwhile, back in Iraq, things look so much worse than they did in the good ol Saddam days. Praise be to copperheads and moveon.
I attempted to read that Hoyer article, but – alas – after three paragraphs I was OUT.
“How? Unions don’t negate the laws of supply and demand.”
They just change the supply and how competitive the market is.
Attention Obama & Democrats: This is what a “post-legislation signing bounce” looks like.
Except, bdam, they can’t prevent the market from fleeing overseas. Or, you know, just closing up shop entirely.
“Except, bdam, they can’t prevent the market from fleeing overseas. Or, you know, just closing up shop entirely.”
Free trade’s a bitch huh?