April 7, 2010

The Rape of “The Rape of Liberty”

Via David Thompson, Elle Gray in The Guardian:

Then, I saw a cartoon, the “creative” work of a conservative blogger, that depicted the aftermath of the rape of the Statue of Liberty by President Obama. My first thought was, oh, hello, yet another idea reinforced during reconstruction and redemption – the myth of the sexually violent black man. This “brute” was a particular danger to white women and this myth was used as one of the primary justifications for the belief in black inferiority (uncontrollable, animalistic natures) and institutionalised segregation. White women had to be protected, at all costs, from interaction with black men, who would not be able to resist their purity and beauty.

A supposed scholar, Gray exhibits just the right combination of arrogance and ineptitude / dishonesty here, from the scare quotes around creative (is she trying to suggest the cartoon, contrary to how we all think cartoon’s are created, sprung fully-formed from the head of Zeus?) to the decision to foreground “her first thought” as anything more than what it is: a self-congratulatory moral pose that reveals more about her biases than it does about the cartoon’s author.

For Gray, conservatives are necessarily racist to begin with — else it makes no sense to see the depiction of a black man as a black man and conclude that such a depiction is racist rather than merely representational. That she can justify the conclusion by pointing us back to racist Reconstruction-era tropes is simply dishonest special pleading: what connects Obama to slavery or Reconstruction can only be the color of his skin; and yet the color of his skin is what it is, without any specific or historic causal connection to slavery or Reconstruction. Too, Gray doesn’t even bother to suggest that Darleen has any knowledge of these tropes — which allows her to pretend that the cartoon can mean what she wants it to mean, irrespective of what Darleen intended it to mean. And what Gray wants it to mean — what she needs it to mean, if she is going to reinforce the stereotype of conservatives as inveterate racists — requires us to believe that Obama is a figure for Reconstruction-era black men, that Lady Liberty (green though she be) is a “white woman” who is “to be protected, at all costs, from interaction with black men, who would not be able to resist their purity and beauty,” and that the “rape” in the cartoon is less about a violation of liberty by a President who happens to be black than it is about a violation of white purity by a black man who happens to be President.

To be fair, one can make an argument for a racialist reading of the comic. But doing so requires the kind of work that Gray here refuses to do, preferring instead to allow the easy connections she made stand in for what she suggests is Darleen’s (and, by extension, the entirety of “conservatism’s”) intent. If she believes Darleen intended to reference Reconstruction-era racial tropes, she needs to say so — and then demonstrate why we are to privilege those tropes and not other tropes (eg., the morning-after regret Lady Liberty evinces as she sobs on the bed, which is more a reference to date rape than to Reconstruction-era mixed-race anxieties, and so has its own set of ready cultural referents) as we negotiate the comic. Or she could argue that Darleen intended both referents to operate simultaneously. What she can’t do, however, is suggest that just because Obama is black, and just because Reconstruction-era tropes about blacks and rape existed, Darleen’s comic must necessarily reference any connection between the two — then offer as “proof” Darlene’s conservatism.

And that’s because the far more obvious reading, to those who aren’t viewing the cartoon through certain presuppositions about conservatives and race, is that the critique of the President and Democrats is perfectly — perhaps even ham-handedly — straight forward: liberty has been violated, and the violation is a result of not obtaining immediate (as opposed to proximate) consent. For Gray, the metaphorical raping of liberty in a cartoon trivializes actual rape. And yet her suggestion that Darleen’s cartoon “serves as more justification for retaliating violently against [Obama]” — that it is less speech than it is the clarion call to would-be Presidential assassins — presumably doesn’t trivialize actual political violence. Convenient, that.

The cartoon as drawn raises questions about what, precisely, is the role of elected legislative officials: Are they mere conduits for the whim of constituents? Or do they view election as a kind of mandate to act on behalf of a constituency as they see fit? And from those questions can come legitimate debate.

But to suggest that because you see racism (or sexism) in a cartoon it must necessarily be racist or sexist — that is, that it has some ontology outside of the intent that signifies it, be that intent the author’s or your own — is to misunderstand how signs function. To view the text as apart from some consciousness available to signify it is to view the text not as language at all; and just as it makes no sense to say that a text can be racist while the person who intended it is not, it makes no sense to say that the person who intended the text is racist of necessity because the person reading the text sees in it racism.

Even so, a misunderstanding turned into dogma can prove politically very powerful to those whose ideology is based around identitarianism and other “consensus”-based epistemological building blocks.

Which is why when conservatives accept and adopt the premises, they are doing the work of the ideological left, whether they recognize it or not.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:05am
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  1. One can easily see that had Darleen altered the cartoon in other ways – keeping the premise intact – the complaints would only be slightly different, and with the same conclusions. Substitute Uncle Sam – the complaints would then include tropes about anxious masculinity and latent homophobia, together with allegations of racism. The allegations of racism will remain as long as Mr. Obama remains black (or biracial).

    I think it is time to challenge our Leftist friends to produce cartoons and the like which criticize Mr. Obama from the political right and which cannot be perceived as racist according to their own metrics.

  2. The cartoon testified.

  3. I added some stuff to the post to flesh it out a bit.

  4. Darleen’s cartoon, for all its shocking crudeness at first glance, possesses a level of depth that surpasses anything Ted Rall has contributed in the last decade. It says volumes about Obama’s arrogance, his continual struggle to rob us of our liberty, the Democrats’ misreading of their so-called mandate, and the very real feelings of those whose liberty is being stolen.

    Elle Gray’s cartoons, by contrast, are completely flat. Every conservative or libertarian in America, if not the world, is a two-dimensional caricature composed of nothing more than racism, reactionary politics, ignorance, and violence. Never mind that these stereotypes have been blown out of the water as people take a real look at who makes up your average Tea Party rally, nor that the real violence comes from her own allies.

    And yet, for all their moral preening and condescension, the Elle Grays of the world cannot begin to understand that they are the blinkered, ignorant bigots. Even if they could see it, they couldn’t ever admit to it. The cognitive dissonance would destroy them.

  5. Speaker: Excuse me; I see I may have been misunderstood. Kindly allow me to correct any misconception you may have of my intent.

    Postmodern progressive: RACIST!

  6. Heh. In the thread below Darleen quotes a commenter noting the archaic definition of rape. Presumably they’d scoff at the idea of a 600 year old definition having anything to do with present discourse, as I recall some commentor not so long ago having issues with a 100 year old (and only slightly antiquated but still functional) definition of liberal.

    Yet, we have absolutely no problems evaluating everything that happened last Tuesday through the context of 150 year old Reconstruction-era racial tropes.

    It would have meant that then, therefor, it always means that.
    Except when it doesn’t. Then it’s totally irrelevant.

  7. There’s nothing like debasement of “scholar” in the morning. Thanks, Elle. Leisure will never be the same again.

  8. It’s Canada racist not racist racist.

  9. I’m reaching the conclusion that the left simply cannot handle having a black president.

  10. How can Elle Gray’s feeling about the current political climate remind her of a time approximately one hundred years – give or take – before her own birth? The most apparent answer is that she’s imagined the contents of the minds and emotions of both reconstruction era figures and Darleen (and, by extension, anyone opposed to Mr. Obama).

  11. The cartoon as drawn raises questions about what, precisely, is the role of elected legislative officials: Are they mere conduits for the whim of constituents? Or do they view election as a kind of mandate to act on behalf of a constituency as they see fit? And from those questions can come legitimate debate.

    Let’s add one about a mandate to act upon a constituency as they see fit.

  12. Obama won’t say Liberty’s name.

    Something’s going down that’s the way it seems

  13. Elle Gray is trained as a historian, but loves examining the ways in which popular culture reinforces and perpetuates racial, gender, and sexual hierarchies. Currently, she is navigating single mamahood, life in the very ivory tower, and tenure-clock imposed writing deadlines. She blogs at elle, phd, Shakesville, and (not nearly enough) at Progressive Historians

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/elle-gray

    If she’s examining something in popular culture, chances are better than even that it will be found to “reinforce and perpetuate racial, gender, and sexual hierarchies.” She hammers screws in her abundant free time.

  14. Likely a New Historicist. They are always communing with ghosts, who they readily admit are really them talking to themselves.

  15. Just an aside and only slightly tied to topic, baldilocks posted with links recently on speeches of Republican members of Congress circa the 1871 – 1875 Civil Rights Act. These Republican Congressmen were black and their speeches are wonderful. Treat yourselves to the readings.

  16. In another life, I suspect that Elle Gray would have a nice gig spotting virgins in paint flecks and messiahs in toast.

  17. WooHoo! Way to go Darleen! Transatlantic recognition!

  18. loves examining the ways in which popular culture reinforces and perpetuates racial, gender, and sexual hierarchies

    Yet another “buggy whip” profession that would rather we remained racistsexisthomophobic forever than change professions.

  19. Heh. In the thread below Darleen quotes a commenter noting the archaic definition of rape. Presumably they’d scoff at the idea of a 600 year old definition having anything to do with present discourse, as I recall some commentor not so long ago having issues with a 100 year old (and only slightly antiquated but still functional) definition of liberal.

    Yet, we have absolutely no problems evaluating everything that happened last Tuesday through the context of 150 year old Reconstruction-era racial tropes.

    It would have meant that then, therefor, it always means that.
    Except when it doesn’t. Then it’s totally irrelevant.

    I can’t believe Alexander Pope would be so callous as to make fun of women who have been raped in the hair. What a creepy little midget that guys was.

  20. Looking for ways in which a text or artwork reinforces hierarchies is not thought. It’s a simple algorithm. A computer could be programmed to do it.

    1. Detect races and genders of subject S of text/artwork A.
    2. Detect disparaging things T said or implied by A to be attributes of S.
    3. If any T found, then state that A perpetuates racial and gender hierarchy by saying T of S.

    Left unexamined is that assumption that any text or artwork that says or implies anything disparaging of any subject who is female or non-white perpetuates hierarchies. This assumption is obviously false.

    It’s Marxist piffle. Marx injected a noxious virus into the mind of Man. This virus causes its host attempt to explain away anti-Marxist beliefs as mere tools for the perpetuation of hierarchies. The virus debilitates the host’s intellect by preventing it from inquiring into whether those anti-Marxist beliefs are in fact true. When those beliefs are in fact true, the host is prevented from knowing this.

  21. The Rape of “The Rape of Liberty”

    RAPE IS NOT FUNNY, WINGNUTZ!

  22. I can’t believe Alexander Pope would be so callous as to make fun of women who have been raped in the hair.

    I think I may have referenced The Rape of the Lock in the other thread – have these people absolutely no experience with the Western cannon?

  23. Projection is the new truth.

  24. This-era myths about black men as rapists of white women exist, too. Not, like, Obama “black,” but, you know. And those myths tend take the form of statistics, but…you know.

    So calling to Reconstruction, or to any past, is gratuitous — if what you want is to call somebody a racist. Fully contemporary, ahistorical racism is possible, and against people as ape-stupid as accused racists are supposed to be, you’d think it’d be the standard accusation. But this isn’t about calling someone a racist. It’s about identifying the accused as past, vestigial, disposable.

    A rhetorical reach here for historical precedent for such identification would be gratuitous, right?

  25. to

  26. Added this bit, because I just re-read the article: “For Gray, the metaphorical raping of liberty in a cartoon trivializes actual rape. And yet her suggestion that Darleen’s cartoon “serves as more justification for retaliating violently against [Obama]” — that it is less speech than it is the clarion call to would-be Presidential assassins — presumably doesn’t trivialize actual political violence. Convenient, that.”

  27. I think I may have referenced The Rape of the Lock in the other thread – have these people absolutely no experience with the Western cannon?

    Buncha dead white men, ergo not worth spending time on. Plus, I feel threatened by the reference to a cannon. Why are you threatening me? Racist!

  28. I’m reaching the conclusion that the left simply cannot handle having a black president.

    Oh Good Lord, NO, they cannot. They cannot get past his skin color, and turn every disagreement into “racism”. If he expressed a dislike of Brussels sprouts, anyone saying they kinda like them would be branded a Klansman.

  29. Just an aside and only slightly tied to topic, baldilocks posted with links recently on speeches of Republican members of Congress circa the 1871 – 1875 Civil Rights Act. These Republican Congressmen were black and their speeches are wonderful. Treat yourselves to the readings.

    Thanks for the link. Gonna bookmark that one and read it later. They include a speech (or speeches) by Robert Smalls, who I think is one of the most neglected figures in American history.

    He was a slave, until he stole a Confederate boat during the Civil War, taking it, his family, and other slaves to freedom. He stayed active, piloting boats for the US during the war, and was eventually made captain(!) of a boat. After the war he founded the Republican party in South Carolina, and held elected office at both the state and national level.

    Why is there a movie about Malcolm X, but not about Robert Smalls?

  30. Normally, CommentIsFree is the habitat of the most deranged leftists you could ever wish to avoid. Refreshingly, the comments on Ms Gray’s crayon sketch are somewhat balanced. Apparently some have encountered metaphors before.

  31. have these people absolutely no experience with the Western cannon?

    No. None whatsoever.

  32. Looking for ways in which a text or artwork reinforces hierarchies is not thought. It’s a simple algorithm. A computer could be programmed to do it.

    1. Detect races and genders of subject S of text/artwork A.
    2. Detect disparaging things T said or implied by A to be attributes of S.
    3. If any T found, then state that A perpetuates racial and gender hierarchy by saying T of S.

    You left out the part about “if you can’t find it, invent it”.

  33. Imagine the crime of taking the mind of an adolescent girl and fixing it so that mind will never think critically but will always take itself to be thinking critically when it attempts to ascribe class oppression to a text or work of art.

    Imagine the girl later, a woman now, deciding to stop denying what has been done to her, realizing how she has been violated in the most intimate way a person could be violated: by being mentally and morally debilitated by her teachers. Her youthful brightness and keenness of mind taken from her and turned to someone else’s end. Her ability to discover truths and falsehoods and to discern right from wrong crippled.

    The Marxist virus is injected into the student by the professor. It is much worse than rape.

  34. RACIST!

  35. Alec, I was thinking the same, with the inclusion of Locke.

  36. Not 105mm, not 155mm, nope, none.

  37. Raping people in the hair is wrong.

    Fun, but wrong.

  38. “If any T found, then state that A perpetuates racial and gender hierarchy by saying T of S.”

    Yet you completely ignore the possiblities of T and A.

  39. Sexist. Genderist.

  40. Damn straight, bucky.

  41. Oy, we’ve got a Rape of “the Rape of the “Rape of Liberty”” possibility goin’ here. giggity.

  42. I find this Elle Gray person to be rather illiberal. Hi Sam.

  43. The virus debilitates the host’s intellect by preventing it from inquiring into whether those anti-Marxist beliefs are in fact true. When those beliefs are in fact true, the host is prevented from knowing this.

    I’d amend that a bit. Marxism defines TRVTH itself as a tool of the oppressor against the oppressed; ergo, inquiring whether something is true is an act of oppression.

    Leftists only test their theories against reality in the sense that reality is what they say it is; ergo, if their theories fit their preconceived notions, the theories are OK.

    The reality that conservatives perceive — the one where something you cause can have effects you didn’t intend or anticipate — is persona non grata, so to speak.

  44. I dunno, dicentra. Calling their consequences “unintended” may be giving them too much benefit of the doubt.

  45. It’s an anti-principle, on the order of alwaysmoving-unmover.

  46. Squid: I was referring to any generic person’s encounter with actual reality.

    Leftists tend to see reality as something they can control in every particular from the top down, because they’re just that damn clever. When the big corporations released info on their losses from Obamacare, those weren’t unintended consequences, those were people behaving maliciously.

    Or that’s how a narcissist interprets things, anyway. Everything inside the narcissist; nothing outside.

  47. BTW, I’m having trouble connecting with pw. Must be getting slammed with links from the Guardian article.

  48. Has anyone pointed out to these people that the statue of Liberty is green, not white, and that doesn’t make the image of Obama in the cartoon a reconstuction era sterotype of the sexually violent black man, but an internet era stereotype of the heroic starship captain?
    Or, to us, a space Ahab?

    But what the fuck, this elle person is so racist it’s leaking out of her pores.

  49. Well, this article seals it. When I’m looking for gossip on Big Brother UK or funny news about chavs, I’m going to choose the more reputable Sun.

  50. The Guardian didn’t link here. They linked to Feministe, who reproduced the cartoon.

  51. So, the historian linked to a secondary account and not the source?

    Scholarship!

  52. So, the historian linked to a secondary account and not the source?

    It’s almost as if you were meant to avoid any explanatory comment that accompanied the cartoon as it originally appeared.

  53. Elle using as a condom the Feministe blog. Still, she’s herself attempt-raping, with help from her nassty like-minded far-left friends.

    Her RAAAAACIST! charges are completely over the top, and were demolished within the first couple-three hundred comments at the original post. A fallback ploy, calling RAAAAACIST!, as usual; spinning an argument she can’t make any other way.

    Good job, Darleen, for setting these ‘freethinkers’ on fire.

  54. “Not 105mm, not 155mm, nope, none.”

    Those 155s are fun…well, at least on the giving end of ‘em. I am sorry I never got to use a 175mm. Of course, having a 105 howitzer handy, whilst trotting about the Afghan mountains, is reassuring.

    I wonder if we could weaponize the Western Canon?

  55. Yoiks, delusion grabs policy and rapes and rapes and rapes… will it never stop?

  56. Duke is gay.

  57. ** LATENT TRIGGER ALERT **

  58. ** TWICE TWINKS! **

  59. Oh. One of her commenters said:

    as far as the example of the rape of Nanking from the email she sent you… um during the massacre at Nanking tens of thousands, maybe close to a hundred thousand, women were actually raped. So it isn’t really so much a rape metaphor as it is an accurate description of events

    So, their point is, apparently, that “The Rape of Nanking” referred to the thousands of individual rapes, and not the general sack, destruction, killings and sexual assaults.

    I disagree! I must be a racist misogynist rightwing hicktard.

  60. Yep, that’s Duke for you.

  61. I would love to see the org chart detailing the relative power levels on Duke’s campus. I’d have to imagine the basketball team is pretty near the top; shame those guys won’t get laid anytime soon.

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  63. So, their point is, apparently, that “The Rape of Nanking” referred to the thousands of individual rapes, and not the general sack, destruction, killings and sexual assaults.

    I heard that Nan King had like 5 LITs and just regretted it the next day – but that’s still rape to them, so . . .

  64. I am sorry I never got to use a 175mm.

    I suspect a 203mm might have rearranged key body molecules, if you stood too close while firing.

  65. In an arena of “real or perceived” where perceived need make no claim to being real, we’re gonna have one hell of a lot of charts.

  66. Totally off topic, but since we can’t play the TW game anymore (remember the good ol’ days), I just wanted to note the Google Ad categories being displayed at the bottom of the comments on this page: “Black Dating,” “Working Women,” “Black Jokes,” and “Black People.” Google’s so racist.

  67. Who says rape isn’t funny.

    I don’t think a year of my life has passed without hearing a rape joke. For while the “May I introduce to your new cell mate Bruno” jokes were all the rage. No one was forced into exile over it. Such jokes were told because they are funny. The movie “Trading Places” with Murphy and Aykroyd and Franken (yes, that Franken, who’s actually in the scene) ends with the rape of man by a gorilla. Not shown, of course. Millions apparently found that funny. Certainly the filmmakers did.

  68. I think the cartoon should have shown Uncle Sam, bound, gagged, naked, bleeding, scourged, and degraded instead of Lady Liberty. Perhaps with a title, “Obama goes to Knoxville.”

  69. Wow, that Dr. Helen link is just… wow. That just eliminates any vestige of meaning from the term.

  70. The Guardian didn’t link here. They linked to Feministe, who reproduced the cartoon.

    Are your referral logs showing incoming from Feministe? Or did you disable that junk?

  71. These are just the ways in which some folks broadcast that those articulating a particular argument are unworthy of consideration. It’s how you do it if you don’t want to go anywhere near the argument being made. It’s a defense mechanism for those who wish to consider themselves deep thinkers without having to actually take the whole of an issue.

    That said, this attempt pisses me off because the office of the POTUS is historically nameless, that is, the person holding the office is Mr. President because the honor goes to the position, not the man. In January 2009 that office should have become colorless as well, but some are fighting it because they just are not willing to stop with the SHUT UP brand of “arguing”.

  72. But you are racists.
    And you can’t stop, and you aren’t sorry.
    Your only defense seems to be a PeeWee Herman/Camille Paglia inversion……
    I know you are but what am I?

    Jeff, this is apparently the cartoon that caused your professor to request that you take his name off your website.
    It apparently had nothing to do cultural evolution or your crazipants Ayers postings.

    The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic.
    All the verbal chaff you are throwing doesn’t confuse their race-radar….and celebrating the confederacy with a confederate history month doesn’t burnish your image a’tall.
    If you cannot attract minorities and the college educated, your party is doomed.
    The demographic timer goes tick……tick……tick.

    i also found Darleen’s cartoon offensive….but for the lie content, not the sex content.
    Some ppl see sexual content everywhere….its a neurohormonal imbalance probably.

    tyvm for unbanning me…..but you aren’t going to like what i have to say.

  73. You are not even trying now, you lying twat. How someone else votes speaks to whether or not an unrelated 3rd is racist or not?! Are you fucking kidding?

  74. It’s a defense mechanism for those who wish to consider themselves deep thinkers without having to actually take the whole of an issue.

    And it’s one that only works in non-interactive media. Get one in person, face-to-face, and ask, “Are you really saying that my argument is so meaningless and without merit that you’re not even going to address my concerns?”

    Unless one’s interlocutor is a professional politician or lawyer, the backpedaling will begin immediately, as they insist no offense was intended. Then comes the desperate, painful look on their faces as they try to come up with a reasoned argument on an issue they’ve never actually given much thought to. Then comes the panicked look around for a little rhetorical help or moral support from allied onlookers. Then the cop-out, usually in the form of “agree to disagree” or “let’s just talk about something else.”

    And while tactical victory is assured, what’s equally assured is that you won’t get invited to their next party, because you’re “too political” or “too divisive” or “a mean drunk,” never mind the fact that it was they who started with the “teabagger” and “redneck” and “short-bus” name-calling. Oh, no, they’re pure as the driven snow, and it’s you who is over-reacting.

    Not that I’m bitter or anything. Certainly not bitter enough to confront them about the social slight and watch them backpedal about no offense intended, while trying to come up with excuses and looking around for a bit of moral support from the rest of the group…

  75. Awww, and it was such a very nice thread too. Geez, it’s on the ceiling. How did it get on the ceiling?

  76. Everybody wave to the griefer!

  77. Nishi, paint chips are not a snack.

  78. The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic.

    It’s so cute, the way it comes here (of all places!) and speaks in terms of identity groups and identity politics. Almost as though it can’t understand seven years of writing about the primacy of the individual.

    Poor thing. It’s like a mangy puppy, outside in the rain, eating its own shit. You just don’t know what to feel about it!

  79. I’d want at least double my normal rate. And a set of very good earplugs.

  80. 97% of blacks vote democratic

    I don’t think that means we’re racists, O Eater of Paint Chips.

  81. So Camille Paglia has now made Nishi’s official “enemies of Barack and progressivism” list it seems…

    And, I mean, after all, everybody knows what a RAAAAAACIST! WINGNUT! Camille is…

    tick, tock, tick, tock, Nishi…

    The timer on the far-left-rubber-stamp-congress is running out.

    And here’s a news flash for you on the Tea-Party Demographics

    http://powip.com/2010/04/gallup-nukes-the-predominantly-white-racist-tea-partier-meme/

    tick…tick…tick…

  82. Empirical apparently has a new meaning.

  83. Oh come on, Bob. Gallup is OLD. Probably has Alzheimer’s.

  84. Bob McDonnell isn’t a racist he just thinks white people are teh awesome.

  85. Indulging in stupid can be hazardous to one’s indulgey health concerns, blackhearts.

  86. Almost as though it can’t understand seven years of writing about the primacy of the individual.

    Haven’t you heard? “Individual” is a racist code word. ‘Cause in the proggnut universe, brown peoples can’t be individuals.

  87. The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic.

    According to this “proof,” are Republicans 29% more raciss’ against Hispanics than they are blacks?

  88. Confederate History Month…Meh

    But I guess; WHY NOT! We have just about every other kind of history month…

    Except for one celebrating the vision and wisdom of the founders of our nation; you know, ‘cuz they were all olod white guys who were most assuredly misogynostic, racist, h8terz and only interested in firthering oppression and such…

    My bet is that if we did, and could dispel the poo slung so often by the far-left America haters, then we wouldn’t have been stuck with the current Obama regime that seems so bent on usurping the Constitution, surrendering the defensive military initiative, and submerging America into the mediocre morass of lesser nationhood.

    Just a guess.

  89. tehag is a moby.

    That is all.

  90. For myself, I’m pleased with the return of Operation Poor Advocate.

  91. Confederate History Month is a GREAT way to distinguish the Team R brand from brands what focus on second-order issues like stopping the dirty socialist rape of our little country.

  92. The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic.

    How do you know it isn’t proof that racial minorities are all in favor of robbing Peter to pay Paul, as long as they get to be Paul?

    The South voted solid Democrat from the inception of the Republican party (founding planks: eliminate slavery and polygamy) up until the counterculture revolution. All it means is that people vote for the sake of tradition as much as anything.

    Besides, if the KKK was the militant arm of the Democrat party, maybe your stat is proof that racial minorities want crosses burned in their front yards and their young men lynched.

    Lies. Damned lies. Statistics.

    You should know better, kate, but apparently you don’t.

  93. And, I mean, after all, everybody knows what a RAAAAAACIST! WINGNUT! Camille is…

    Don’t be absurd, Bob. Camille Paglia is a homophobe.

  94. Good one Dicentra!

  95. “Confederate History Month is a GREAT way[...]” to divert attention away from the thrust of this thread.

    Hey, griefer, what would it cost to have you comment about how great Duke is?

  96. I always thought that actual racism was identified by the actual words and deeds of an individual. I also thought that it was wrong wrong wrong to attribute characteristics to a broad group based on the actions of an individual, lest you be a bigot. But, somehow, Leftists manage to do just that with their attempts to smear conservatives.

    Fuck you, nishit, you bigoted twat.

  97. Hey, griefer, what would it cost to have you comment about how great Duke is?

    I’ve heard that he of joyous toes thinks Nishi is teh hawt.

    And as we all know, the best way into a dame’s pants is to act like a wet dishrag around her . . . .

  98. Sorry guys, sorry. I keep telling her to keep it out of trade chat.

  99. FWIW, I was referring to nishi with griefer.

  100. happyfeet,

    The whole Confederate history month thing is not a “team R” initiative. I happen to agree that it is not too bright, especially considering that “team Dixie” lost, but that should be taken up with the Governors of Virginia and Alabama.

    I don’t see how this reflects on “team R” as a whole, as McDonnell doesn’t intend running for national level office, at least that’s what he says. At least not any more than the affinity for Mao and Marx among Obama’s inner circle will reflect on “team D”.

    “Ye shall know them by thier fruits”. McDonnell isn’t trying to enslave anyone, but the Obama bunch sure is trying to remake America into an internationally weak social-democracy in the European mold.

    I guess what I’m saying is actions speak louder than words. McDonnell’s proclamaition = words. O!&Co legislation = actions.

  101. but isn’t that the point bh?

    Bob McDonnell farted in church I think.

  102. we’re on the some page Bob it’s just that it ineluctable reflects on Team R as a whole… we’ve seen this a million times, but Bob McDonnell just way bad needed to plant his flag on Conservative History Month hill.

    It’s just sad.

  103. “The whole Confederate history month thing is not a “team R” initiative. I happen to agree that it is not too bright, especially considering that “team Dixie” lost, but that should be taken up with the Governors of Virginia and Alabama.”

    Not just lost, but it also about treason.

  104. *same* page I mean sorry I am eating lunch need more root beer brb

  105. Empirically, the Backstreet Boys “Millennium” is a better album than Led Zeppelins untitled 4th album. Numbers don’t lie people.

  106. If we’re going to get threadjacked, we may as well do so with the help of a rotund Taiwanese kid belting out “I Will Always Love You”.*

  107. Also, the series finale of The Nanny? The bomb yo.

  108. oh. *ineluctably* I mean.

  109. @ 106.

    Danielle Steel also beats the everloving hell out of Flannery O’Connor. Empirically speaking, of course.

  110. Oh, McDonnell should go suck a diseased cock for Confederate History Month, ‘feets.

    Yet, anything that nishi pretends follows in consequence is pure nonsensical griefing. And it has jack shit to do with this thread. And that’s why she did it. That’s also why meya/RD do the same with their constant non sequiturs. Recognize it.

  111. ok I do but I just learned about it and I was… displeased

  112. Nishi, or SHAMS, what’s racist, sexist and homophobic is your new found religion, Islam (unless you’re just pretending to be something you aren’t, again and as usual).

    Many of the Democrat voters of whom you speak are politically uneducated (like you) and are lured to the ballot box to vote (D) only because they’ve been promised Other People’s Stuff: reparations, free health care, cradle to grave sustenance; it’s positive feedback. Ring the bell, here come the salivating Democrats. They are likely not individuals who would be considered biologically successful. Placed on your beloved Bell Curve, you’d find most of ‘em in the lowest percentiles. I’ll bet most of ‘em would not even vote unless they expected to get something for it. It’s the looter – moocher symbiosis that Ben Franklin warned us about.

  113. we’re on the some page Bob it’s just that it ineluctable reflects on Team R as a whole… we’ve seen this a million times, but Bob McDonnell just way bad needed to plant his flag on Conservative History Month hill.

    Someone needs to tell Jim Webb.

  114. I feel very gangsta when I say “recognize”. I held my keyboard sideways when I typed it.

  115. @110 OTOH, The Bible being the best selling book of all time, and the most recommended by librarians is proof that God exists. Suck it agnostics and atheists.

  116. Had a similar feeling bh, heard Ali G reading the Dookie memo when I came upon the word “respect”.

  117. The oddest case I’ve had of that, sdferr, was with “store fronts”. Why stores always be frontin’?

  118. Jim Webb could not comment as he had an upside down crank in his mouth.

  119. This is really OT but I just found out on my drive home that Medved is brodcasting from Hanover college which is about a half mile from my front door. Only the station he’s on in Louisville doesn’t come in up here.

  120. And now, for the latest historic achievement of the Oministration: Ordering three White House advisors to organize a boycott against a media figure: Glenn Beck. (Surprise!)

    Also, the Jewish Funds for Justice organization, incensed that Beck pointed out that “social justice” is actually Marxism lightly dusted with religious language, have launched a DEVASTATING attack against Beck using the WORST WEAPON IN THEIR ARSENAL: haiku.

    Yes, they’ve called for a Beck Twitterstorm from 9 am to 9 pm today, April 7, 2010. You will always remember where you were when the #becku topic on Twitter showed a high degree of activity.

  121. “Comment by McGehee on 4/7 @ 2:06 pm #

    Nishi, paint chips are not a snack.”

    Not only is she the President of the “Paint Chip Of The Month” Club, she’s a member.

  122. Southern states aren’t allowed to have a history.

    Kind of like illiberal politically incorrect bloggoers

  123. The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic.

    This is someone who is purportedly proficient at maths. I’d write whatever college that gave you passing grades in math and ask for a refund of tuition, were I you.

  124. It’s the Months thing to me, B Moe. We’ve never had Union History Month here in Wisco. We had the lower caps “week or two we hit the chapter about the Civil War and the teacher made it as boring as everything else”.

  125. I hate uppercase Months. And if we’re going to promote them, how about Math Month or Econ Month or Engineering Month instead?

  126. Wanna Bach Month damnit.

  127. I would like Tasty Beverage Month and Lemon Jalapeno Month.

  128. I think they want a full Balkanization Year of Months.

  129. BMoe,

    I don’t know if that’s what anyone is saying here. My family is from North Carolina, and although part of it is Cherokee, another branch took active part in the Confederacy; in fact they lost everything they had doing so. There is absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating the history of any state or the people that are residents or hail from there.

    I think all I’m saying is that we shouldn’t trivialize just how wrong the secession of the southern states was; frankly, it was unconstitutional. Regardless of the principle that is generally cited to rationalize it. The matter of the reach of Federalism might have been better handled in the SCOTUS-at least from a Constitutional point of view.

    Celebrate the actual history, and keep it in the proper perspective…

    That’s why I hate all of these phony [insert victim group] history months anyway!

  130. A Month Month might be nice. Or maybe we should start a demand for Schism Month, with many more months in a year to follow?

  131. I think all I’m saying is that we shouldn’t trivialize just how wrong the secession of the southern states was; frankly, it was unconstitutional. Regardless of the principle that is generally cited to rationalize it.

    With all respect, many folks would say that you are the one trivializing, Bob, they take it very seriously and simply disagree with your opinion of its wrongness. Frankly, while I would never support slavery, I agree with most of the rest of their positions. Secession was an extreme move, but they had been backed into a corner economically, and possibly existentially.

  132. i said this in the last thread but think it bears repeating because it can be applied to defending the victims of ‘raaaaaacists!!’

    if I’m not outright insensative to rape victims (funny, isn’t it, how Leftists can claim they speak for all rape victims), I’m actually in favor of rape and/or supportive of “rape culture.”

    Darleen, it is indeed funny… when Chris said that unless you had been raped, your opinion is invalid he was of course assuming all rape victims thought the same way.
    when I pointed out that i had been raped and was not offended by the cartoon he told me i was wrong…so what happened to the validity of my opinion based on my having been raped? they are disingenuous liars, that’s what happened. they can take all their nobility and ‘fighting’ for the victimized and shove it up their herpes encrusted asses

  133. Yikes. What’s up with this? The first of many such scenes we’ll be seeing round the globe I don’t doubt.

  134. What corner was that BMoe? Was it the corner that said they should be allowed to continue to own other human beings so long as they had a good reason?

    Not trying to start a fight, or be a prick. But I find the idea that it was about “economics” or “states rights” to be euphemistic in the same way that I find “choice” to be euphemistic when referring to reproductive choices.

  135. Maybe you’re right Bmoe,

    I didn’t mean to trivialize the matter either by saying simply that it was unconstitutional. And perhaps some of the other positions you mention are escaping my recollection. IIRC the issue of slavery was central to the economic argument, and was also central to the argument inolving the overreach of the Federal government in deciding into which new territories slavery could be extended. Maybe you could give me the cliff notes version any others? Or maybe a URL that offers a good synopsis?

    Perhaps I was being short to simply state, “It’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL!”. But what I really meant was that while there are constitutional mechanisms to join the union, there are none to depart it; heck, not even all of the “states” needed to ratify the Constitution for all to be bound by it. Maybe that’s an over-reach right there! I also think that the SCOTUS of that era, one that was not so disposed to legislate from the bench as today, might have been an effective way to deal with any Federal over-reach.

    But I may be wrong, and am open to other arguments.

  136. I think secession was kinda cool except for after when everyone died… mostly I just think when your little country is being raped by dirty socialists you need to keep your eye on the rapey ball is all.

  137. So, the historian linked to a secondary account and not the source?

    Scholarship!

    It’s for the Solidarity! … comrade.

  138. What corner was that BMoe? Was it the corner that said they should be allowed to continue to own other human beings so long as they had a good reason?

    Not trying to start a fight, or be a prick. But I find the idea that it was about “economics” or “states rights” to be euphemistic in the same way that I find “choice” to be euphemistic when referring to reproductive choices.

    So if you had inherited a plantation in the antebellum south, in hoc to the bank as most of them were and barely making the payments, you would have done what? You have dozens of illiterate, unskilled, broke slaves that you don’t even own outright, you set them free any way? Them with no place to go, and what do you tell the bank? How do you work the farm? It is real easy to get on a moral high horse now, but the shit was a lot more complicated back then. You couldn’t go get on unemployment or apply for food stamps and move into a project in town, and bankruptcy laws weren’t quite as forgiving.

    Those people didn’t take the chance they took because they liked the odds, they were fucking desperate.

  139. Oh I don’t doubt that they were desperate BMoe. I just think you could simplify things a little bit if you remove all the justifications around why that desperation allowed them to continue committing immoral acts.

  140. I understand what you’re saying BMoe,

    And perhaps secession was driven more by a fear of what might become than what actually was. Slavery wasn’t formally abolished until after the war, in 1865; notwithstanding the emancipation proclimation in 1863 and the outlawing of slavery in US territories in 1862. Slavery hadn’t yet been outlawed in what would become the Confederacy when secession began.

    But, considering that Lincoln ran on an emancipation platform, and wasn’t legitimate in the eyes of many southerners (his name didn’t even appear on ballots in 10 southern states), one can see why they would fear for their way of life-so to speak.

    Unfortunately, it was just that, a fear of the unknown, and not any real Federal oppression that seems to have led to secession. And from this far removed a place, it still seems like the SCOTUS would have been a better way to address this.

    I’m not trying to be argumentative, nor even change your mind. I’m just having a discussion revolving around a historical event and political philosophy, and trying to illuminate the truth.

    But I see what you are saying in your example.

  141. From sdferr’s link @ 134…

    The youths beat up police and seized their arms, trucks and armored personnel carriers.

    Does this seems incongruous to anyone else?

  142. I don’t think that means we’re racists,

    Nope…..it just means the minority voters see right through your protestations.
    It means the minority voters RECOGNIZE that you are racists inspite of all the hand waving and chaff throwing and LOOK! its those ppl over there bullshytt.
    that is why they will never vote republican.
    Minorities are have good dectectors for stealth racists….they have had to evolve that as a survival fitness benefit.
    You are on the wrong side of history, Jeff.
    Cultural evolution doesn’t work towards a “progressive singularity”….it works towards increasing complexity.
    To go back to some idealized beavercleaver fantasy of WEC socon prosperity is devolution, not evolution.

  143. The whitest white girl in LA speaks about why black folks do something. So you should really listen.

  144. history isn’t same as kickball

  145. Minorities are have good dectectors for stealth racists….they have had to evolve that as a survival fitness benefit.

    nishi are have good brain smarcts, shez evulved them this weak.

  146. look….you are not the party of liberty.
    you seek to deny liberty and civil rights to black citizens, gay citizens, and female citizens.
    yet Darleen was all up in my grill about the rights of the YFZ patriarchy daddies to rape 13 year old grrls and exile 13 year old boys.
    you are only about liberty and civil rights for WECs.
    well…..its game over.
    culture and demography have moved on…..an all you can do is go rageraver on our legit, hardcore l33t Prez.
    Obama’s not raping liberty Darleen…..that was the patriarchy daddies and the slaveowners and the segregation academies and the 1964 57 day REPUBLICAN filibuster of civil rights legislation and the miscegenation lawyers….that was YOU.
    Look in my witch’s mirror “real” America….pretty damn fugly aren’t you?
    You are the past.

  147. To go back to some idealized beavercleaver fantasy of WEC socon prosperity is devolution, not evolution.

    Funny you should mention BeaverCleaver. Television showing how things should be — idealized behavior transmissions sniffed at by the cultured elite who championed the anti-hero movement of the 60s and 70s.

    But a funny thing happened on the way to “cultural evolution.” Because guess whose side is all beavercleaver now…?

    Being in the minority doesn’t equate with being on the “wrong” side of anything. It equates to being on the less popular side. And that can change faster than you can say “Yes we can!”

  148. Something about this seems to fit the tenor here, I think:

    “You really don’t know how something works until you can build it.”

    So see? They built you racists and know you right good.

  149. Oh. And I find it funny that the former “playahgirl” is now on the side of the Feministe crowd. Fight the Powers, Sistah! Go Grrrl Pwrrrr!

  150. The proof that you are racists is empirical……97% of blacks vote democratic and 68% of hispanics vote democratic

    This could actually be the dumbest statement ever uttered by an alleged sentient human being. Nishi, you’re fucking dumb. There is no excuse you can come up with that can refute that truism.

  151. Everyone wave at the boring griefer!

  152. I’m going to get on the right side of a nice steak sandwich now.

    It’s over for that thing.
    It is the past.

  153. It is the repast, say rather.

  154. “…the 1964 57 day REPUBLICAN filibuster of civil rights legislation…”

    Nishi, we’ve been down this road before; that was a Democrat Filibuster, led by Byrd. The RethugliKKKans voted for the Civil Rights Act.

    You know, when you lie about such trivialities, which are part of the easily researched historical record, it really hurts your overall credibility.

  155. you are not the party of liberty.
    you seek to deny liberty and civil rights to black citizens, gay citizens, and female citizens

    the party of slavery is the democratic party. as they say you can look it up

  156. Every time someone mentions the patriarchy unironically, the ghost of Jimmy Stewart punches an orphan in the balls.

  157. AND…..i think your professor was totally within his rights to civilly wish to disassociate himself from that offensive “cartoon.”
    It is offensive, because it is a lie.
    Obama is not “shredding the constitution” or “raping liberty”….he is the legitimately elected President of the United States and the system is WAI. (working as intended)
    But it isn’t working the way white christian conservatives want it to….and i dont think it ever will again.
    You are the minority.
    365 to 172…..193 ec votes difference.
    pretty steep hill.
    quit whining and lying and figure out a way up.
    the first step would be calling out your racist fellow travelers an censoring them….if you have the nads.

  158. porn star turned gop candidate:

    “After months of careful deliberation and consult as to the true nature of my political affiliation I am ready today to declare that should I seek the office of US Senator from the great state of Louisiana that I will do so as a Republican.
    “While this decision has not been an easy one, recent events regarding Republican National Committee fundraising at Voyeur, an LA based lesbian bondage themed nightclub finally tipped the scales.
    “As I have said for well over a year, it is time that our government and our tax policy begin rewarding entrepreneurship and creativity again. It is time again to inspire positive risks and out-of-the-box thinking in the interest of growing a strong economy and a strong America.
    “For me, this spirit can be summed up in the RNC’s investment of donor funds at Voyeur.
    “As someone who has worked extensively in both the club and film side of the Adult Entertainment Industry, I know from experience that a mere $1900 outlay at a club with the reputation of Voyeur is a clear indication of a frugal investment with a keen eye toward maximum return. . . .”

    link

  159. Who stole my B and I? Not only are you people racists, but thieves as well!

  160. It is offensive, because it is a lie.

    proggs are alot like that

  161. Thatks, Bob. I thought sure that was a DEMOCRAT filibuster, but I hadn’t gone looked it up.

    Here, let me anticipate nishi’s reply: all those Southern Racists what were democrats then are republicans now, so the label applies.

    Pay no attention to the fact that most of the people in the legislature in 1964 are either dead or sporting a drool cup.

  162. I see in #158, the griefer upped the ante.

  163. I think Nishi took the brown paint chips.

  164. Obama is not “shredding the constitution” or “raping liberty”

    No Nishi,
    It’s not an either/or situation at all. He’s doing both…As well as a few other acts that could easily become seen as high crimes and misdemeanors should they backfire on him…

  165. Obama is not “shredding the constitution” or “raping liberty”….he is the legitimately elected President of the United States and the system is WAI.

    So if a president is elected at least once in a legitimate election, he cannot, by definition, do anything unconstitutional, nor can he shred liberty.

    I guess that explains why everyone accused Dubya of raping liberty and shredding the constitution, because he was selected, not elected.

    You’re right, nishi. It’s all in the election. Once the guy is in office, it’s physically impossible for a president to do anything wrong.

    Because we on the right? All day long and all night: shrieking about how Obama wasn’t lawfully elected.

  166. “…the first step would be calling out your racist fellow travelers an censoring them…”

    You Democrats should go first…Start with Jesse J, Louis F, Sharpton et al…

    Then move on to the affirmative action crowd, because of the bigotry of their low expectations.

  167. Once the guy is in office, it’s physically impossible for a president to do anything wrong.

    Why am I not surprised the nishtoon is defending President Chicxulub by channeling Nixon?

  168. Nishi isn’t even sophisticated enough to understand that while Democrats were burning crosses on peoples’ lawns they were embracing immigrants with open arms and Democratic registration cards. They’re about raw hack politics. It wasn’t until the great southern migration made urban black votes a necessity in the North that they even remotely gave a shit, just as mass immigration is part of the same business model they’ve employed for eons. Her stupidity would be amusing if she didn’t write like a Down’s Syndrome teenager with ADD.

  169. the first step would be calling out your racist fellow travelers an censoring them

    Wait, it’s been empirically proven that we’re all racists.

    Idiot.

  170. nishi is just saying what she thinks

  171. Minorities are have good dectectors for stealth racists….they have had to evolve that as a survival fitness benefit.
    You are on the wrong side of history, Jeff.

    As someone who actually is a minority of sorts (Hispanic from my mother’s side), I find it presumptuous of you to make such a declaration. Bigotry is a human failing that is not endemic to any particular race, religion, ethnicity, or political ideology. And having grown up in South Texas, which is heavily Hispanic, I know far more about racism through personal experience than you ever will. Nonetheless, your “concern” is duly noted.

    Now as for history, it has no side. To believe that it does is to perpetuate a notion of Hegelian teleology which few historians take seriously these days. History is what people choose to make of it – nothing is inevitable.

    And you would do well to educate yourself regarding the history of this country. The Republican Party did not filibuster either the Civil Rights Act of 1957 or the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That is a fact. Your continuing ululations to the contrary render you either a liar or a fool, if not both.

  172. and homophobes never forget the homophobia

  173. To what purpose do you reckon happyfeet? To persuade?

  174. I don’t buy that, ‘feets.

  175. 365 to 172…..193 ec votes difference.

    ??? 537 of what??? 365 what??? 172 what??? Just an inquiry.

  176. nishi thinks? are talking points the same as thinking? oh yes robin from berzerkley is the hot

  177. I’m to believe that nishi honestly thought that prior to the stem cell debate the right was pretty much okay and since then it’s… well, all this nonsense.

    BS.

  178. no not to persuade so much I think she’s trying to brand white christian conservatives as toxic and further a perception of them as illegitimate actors in the political process in our little country… and then she wants to conflate all of Team R with that perception…

    It’s same as how I talk about dirty socialists, just backerds.

  179. but I think she thinks it for reals

  180. it’s not all as contrived as I made it sound I don’t think

  181. You think she had a psychotic break then.

  182. How does doing that here help the cause exactly? Who takes notice that then votes contrariwise, in other words?

  183. So if a president is elected at least once in a legitimate election, he cannot, by definition, do anything unconstitutional, nor can he shred liberty.

    Some yes.

  184. She’s just creepy. Her comments are like Rorschach explosions of vomit.

  185. I needs to go get me some Tacos from the Cuban ladies. brb

  186. I think it helps cause her cause cause of Team R is easily disaffected cause their leaders, they are so gay.

    But more du jour I think that Virginia governor loser handed her a stick, so she thought she’d come by and bop us on our heads wif it.

    And so she did.

  187. I think it helps *her* cause I mean…

  188. It sounds pretty contrived happyfeet,
    And Nishi’s pronouncements are often, how do I say, factually challenged

    And I know you are in marketing, so take no offense by what I’m about to say, but to say that,”…she’s trying to brand white christian conservatives as toxic and further a perception of them as illegitimate actors in the political process in our little country.“, is essentially saying that she’s having a go at throwing some propaganda against the wall enough times so that it will stick…

    Kind of like al dente spaghetti thrown against the wall!

    Because white conservative Christians are neither toxic, nor illegitimate participants in the political process of our country; any more than, say, labor unions or associations.

  189. yes… repetition is key…

    if you say it enough time it becomes true…

    easy-off makes oven cleaning _______

  190. *times* sorry I am in hurry and v thirsty

  191. But more du jour I think that Virginia governor loser handed her a stick

    As Virginians we carry with us both the burdens and the blessings of our history. Virginia history undeniably includes the fact that we were the Capitol of the Confederacy, the site of more battlefields than any other state, and the home of the signing of the peace agreement at Appomattox. Our history is perhaps best encapsulated in a fact I noted in my Inaugural Address in January: The state that served as the Capitol of the Confederacy was also the first in the nation to elect an African-American governor, my friend, L. Douglas Wilder. America’s history has been written in Virginia. We cannot avoid our past; instead we must demand that it be discussed with civility and responsibility. During the commemoration of the Civil War over the next four years, I intend to lead an effort to promote greater understanding and harmony in our state among our citizens.”

    In addition the Governor announced that the following language will be added to the Proclamation:

    WHEREAS, it is important for all Virginians to understand that the institution of slavery led to this war and was an evil and inhumane practice that deprived people of their God-given inalienable rights and all Virginians are thankful for its permanent eradication from our borders, and the study of this time period should reflect upon and learn from this painful part of our history…

    http://tinyurl.com/yc3wvbt

  192. nishi, did you have a psychotic break over the stem cell debate or are you just a run of the mill griefer?

  193. That sounds so 1960’s, hf. Marketing a la Mad Men. Pound the dull nail all day instead of finding a sharp one. Nishi lacks the ability to convince anyone.

  194. wow the governor sure did a lot for the study of history I think… with his inspiring inspirationalness as Embodied in this Proclamation, we are surely at the threshold of a new understanding of what came before. A better understanding. It is the dawn of a new enlightenment.

    The government of Virginia has given our historical learnings its blessing!

    Pretty damn exciting stuff.

  195. Maybe so, in the world of advertising and marketing, but not as far as actual truth goes.

    But, I guess politics has a strong marketing element to it; I prefer to view it from the point of view of ideas and philosophies that can be practically applied, as opposed to a more sophisticated and less structured version of American Idol…

    ‘Cuz if I start looking at it exclusively that way the cynicism will do me in!

    I may be pollyanish, but I believe that the true and good beat out evil in tyhe long run…

    Like in the end of this film.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXldafIl5DQ

  196. And to tie what I posted above to Governor Bob McDonnell’s proclamation of Confederate History Month in Virginia, my Hispanic ancestors living in Texas at the time of the Civil War fought on the side of the Confederacy. They did not own any slaves. I am not ashamed of their service to the Confederacy – they fought for their homes and families. No man should be required to spit on the graves of his ancestors.

    Matters like history and race are rarely as clear-cut as griefers like Nishi would have us believe.

  197. I just think that’s the mischief our nishi is up to Mr. Froman… the mischievous part is when she goads us into defending Virginia loser boy.

    That’s the sharp part I think.

  198. I will click when I get home.

  199. You’re moving the goalposts, hombre. Is it marketing or is it performance art?

  200. same same… but yeah I should have put 198 with 179

  201. I guess I’ll feel stickbeaten when I get around to defending Gov. McDonnell maybe. I’ve long wondered what you say to the guy that’s beating you with a stick though. Hey! Go beat someone else. You bore me.

  202. the mischievous part is when she goads us into defending Virginia loser boy.

    isn’t accepting the proggs air brushing of history like toe nail fungus?

  203. You bore us, nishi, you possibly crazy griefer. Works for me, sdferr.

  204. Related, to our nishi tangent anyways.

  205. Title of the post: “Talentless Paranoid Schizophrenic Re-Enters Acting-Up/Attention-Getting Mode”

    That just reminds me of someone…

  206. the confederacy is alot like the crusades in progg land

  207. the mischievous part is when she goads us into defending Virginia loser boy.

    Why, it’s GENIUS!

    Because what we SHOULD be doing is disassociating ourselves from all those Team R types what the mainstream press doesn’t find palatable.

    –Which, that’s why the GOP ran McCain. He had crossover appeal.

    And yet you complain when that happens, too, happy. So which is it to be? Defend principles and refute the lies? Or work to assure people we aren’t like they’ve heard we are — and to prove it, we’ll run “maverick” conservatives whose maverickness rests in their not really being all too conservative?

    To me, it seems like nishi has checkmated you. And the mouthpieces for Team GOP. The rest of us are just fine, thanks — but we’d like it much if you stopped fucking around and messing our shit all up.

  208. hey I was just saying what I thought our nishi was up to… that’s separate from calling Virginia boy out for a loser…

    and he’s all kinds of loser, that one… mostly for being a distraction, but also for being a distraction for reasons of surpassing dipshittery… and also for the arrogance of his dullard self either imagining that what America needed was a conversation about race and reparations, or for not realizing that that’s what he was instigating.

    God save us from gay-assed Virginia bumblefucks I think.

  209. I’m a simple man. I just want to get nishi to submit to brain scans while she’s typing these comments.

  210. Marketing is not like the real world, slappyfeet. Not even when it works.

    And the days when people bought politicians the way they buy soap have come to a… well, a pause.

    Thanks to President Chicxulub. And his supporters like your sweetie the paint-chip eater.

  211. flatline

  212. I say if the guy ain’t salient then don’t pay any attention to him. If your opponent is all big about forcing you to pay attention, that oughta be a clue.

  213. President Chicxulub…

    That’s pretty darn good McGeehee! Let’s hope that’s giving Obama too much credit.

  214. God save us from gay-assed Virginia bumblefucks I think.

    god save us from some of your toe nail fungus posts

  215. I think the door what Team R needs to bolt though if it is to be of service to our debauched and enervated little country, it is closing fast, and which distraction will be judged to have been the fatal one?

  216. pushing d buttons

    walking d back

  217. That just makes no sense to me, ‘feets. You can’t keep people from doing things you don’t think are smart. Not possible. You can only choose how to react. Now, was following nishi down the McDonnell rabbit hole smart or would simply calling her a crazy griefer have been smarter?

    Remember the door is closing fast. Do you want to expand and call attention to these distractions?

  218. Newsweek could get a cover story out of this if it wanted… it could upend MSNBC programming for the whole month… any number of Team R candidate people could be made to have to answer for it… those kinds of distractions.

  219. What door? To where? Is there a sign on it?

    I’m still wondering about that 365 to 172 thing too.

  220. If only Ed Morrissey would have the heart to push the story maybe it’ll get somewhere important. Oh. Yeah.

  221. Cap’n Ed is a menace.

  222. The point is, it’s after the fact for everyone, ‘feets.

    I’d say Team R should deal with the media just as I deal with nishi.

    Don’t bite on the story. Option A) Steele goes on MSNBC and calls McDonnell “insensitive” or something. Option B) talk about the enormous fucking Obama deficits instead.

    Which makes more sense?

  223. that’s my point what I am saying

  224. “Option B) talk about the enormous fucking Obama deficits instead.”

    Or his “plan” to impose peace on the MiddleEast maybe.

  225. I kinda didn’t feel like we were agreeing.

  226. I think we agree, mostly.

  227. Good, now we can get back to important stuff like

  228. oh yeah, raping Israel would be good for starters.

  229. Lots of hotties there I hear.

  230. probably way hotter than what passes for hotties at Duke

  231. ** LATENT TRIGGER ALERT **

    sorries

  232. and toe nail fungus you are silent: fungist!!!!!!

  233. I think kate mengele should change her handle to “Nishi the Trollhammered”. It’s more closely aligned with reality.

  234. Too late, I’m afraid. Nishi baited me into hanging a Confederate flag in front of the house. And a dog, because I couldn’t find me a black man.

    But if it’s any consolation, I heard a kid call the dog “boy” once. So, you know.

    On the plus side, that steak sandwich? Already culturally evolving into a nice morning dump.

  235. Women of the IDF.

  236. you mock

  237. Nishi baited me into hanging a Confederate flag in front of the house. And a dog…

    SPECIESIST!!!!

  238. Well, to be honest, nishi tricked me into painting myself blue and living in the forest like the tall Avatar smurfs.

    Her or the mushrooms. I don’t really remember.

  239. I can’t remember which is which, frankly, so I just went through the neighborhood shooting anyone wearing blue or gray.

    Also, I’m working on a cool van dyke.

  240. I can’t remember which is which, frankly, so I just went through the neighborhood shooting anyone wearing blue or gray.

    Pretty sure that makes you a blood.

  241. On the plus side, that steak sandwich?

    carnivorist mfer: you hate dead cows

  242. In your honor I am going to put chicory in my coffee tomorrow morning. Except I don’t think there is any chicory around these parts so I’ll go scrape some bark off the closest monkey-pod tree.

    To compensate for the tree substitution I plan on saying “boy” and “yee-haw”, like, a lot. I might even throw in a “ya’ll” or two.

  243. Don’t forget the salt pork.

  244. Pretty sure that makes you a blood.

    Fuck it then. I’ll shoot anyone wearing any color.

    Especially the Benetton people. They’re as good as gone.

  245. Oh. And in case Professor Kiteley (or Armed Liberal) is reading: Save the alarm, brother. I’m only fucking kidding.

  246. Now we’s into past repast territories. Tomorrow? Future to be passed past repast.

  247. Benetton still exists?

  248. a href=”http://lmgtfy.com/?q=benneton”>here go Mr. LaRoche

  249. hmmm

    more likehere go I guess

  250. this is hard

  251. Start with these guys. Please, before they start an uber-gay boy band.

  252. Thanks, hf. Last I heard the name “Benetton” was around 1990. Interesting set of image results that popped up there.

    BTW, I just stumbled across target="_blank">nishi’s blog.

  253. The proposition that there is no culture war could be useful I guess, to the extent that it relays the underlying proposition that there is no culture. Anymore than there is an ego, id, superego structure to human consciousness, say.

  254. Keid A’s comments at nishi’s blog are interesting.

  255. OT: Nice to see Mickey giving Babs a good swift kick to the labia, ain’t it?

  256. I’ve never been to a Benetton before ever.

  257. Keid A’s comments at nishi’s blog are interesting.

    Like this one, for instance:

    Matoko,

    I have been having some interesting conversations on PW since your last comments there.

    I have learned a lot. I underestimated the difficulties you were under there. I also learned a lot about the conservative outlook. There were things I didn’t fully understand before.

    I have always identified with US conservatism in the past. I am not sure I will be able to do so in the future. I have decided that perhaps you were more right on this subject than me.

  258. Keid A has smartness in his head.

  259. That’s the one, Mike.

  260. Yeah, like taking me for a Jesus freak hf. He’s a sharpy, he is.

  261. It also seems that nishi just keeps repeating this post over and over and over again in comments here.

    Hey, griefer, get some new material.

  262. That’s the deal bh. How long before she figures out that culture is the zombie? And always has been, empty stillbirth that it was?

  263. Btw, Keid A, it’s a Markov chain, not a Markoff chain. I just didn’t feel like giving you a hard time.

  264. She’ll never in a million years touch on that concept, sdferr.

  265. I kind of doubt that after watching Keid A’s argument supporting AGW the other day. Alternately pressing fatuous points, and when challenged resorting to, “I don’t know dude, ask a scientist”…

    Sharp as a bowling ball

  266. oh I meant more the other stuff

  267. can’t we like anybody what aren’t conservatives?

  268. Maybe windegg is a better appellation than zombie, reaching way back there for the touchstone.

  269. i bet Mr. A has been to a Benetton

  270. Btw, Keid A, it’s a Markov chain, not a Markoff chain. I

    I actually configured a Markov chain to do nishbot once. Fooled a few people, even, as I recall.

  271. Heh, SBP. Cheers.

    ‘feets, so many of my friends aren’t conservative it isn’t funny. I just don’t like arrogant people who pay so much attention to cultural markers and sneer at my friends. That’s kinda a deal breaker.

  272. Thus abortion and brightest. btw i think it wont stop. I have declared a constitutional amendment like intellectual history to see K-lo and i skipped ahead an expert in time. how i mean, he can you might think che! is prolly the captain of threads. no ones master. and therefore we have decided that the neocortex with pitchforks. those ppl i thought of the minority. Having recently been nine-umverates. the members of relativity all we will supercede IQ and type B Moes. the republicans have imagined a masters in nanoscale? what the rest of the Founders were smarter dan collins you’re not just more IDbots crawled have ruled, but it is just outlaw lifehacking and BYU. enjoy. and abortion rights. But they certainly could do.

  273. And what’s with the obsession with Asian sounding names: Matoko Kusanagi, Matako Chan, Nishizono Shinji. And I don’t remember the Sufi appelation.

    I thought her name was Kate? What’s up with that, some kind of self-loathing? I presume she’s an American by birth.

  274. oh I meant more the other stuff

    fungists YOU HATE MICROBES!!!!

  275. can’t we like anybody what aren’t conservatives?

    Can we like anybody that is conservative? Barring the gays, cumsluts, losers and whores, of course.

  276. me conservative : “i like rape”(1)

    *1 from blazing saddles

  277. tranzis for obamacare

  278. Feets,

    If you’re trying to get laid, there are other girls out there. Also, if you’ve recently stopped drinking, you should start again.

  279. Heck hf,
    Living here in NYC is like being in a zoo when you’re a conservative. Just about everyone I know are Democrats, or low information apolitical folks who mouth whatever cliches are in the zeitgeist…

    My wife is a lifelong Democrat! Just the old fashioned, conservative type.

    We’ve been at dinner parties where some of the guests have gathered round to interact with me, like they’re on a cultural anthropology safari or something.

    “You’re a…Republican?”

    “Yes, more a conservtive, but I identify most closely with Republicans.”

    “B-But, you’re so…nice…”
    -What’s unspoken here is that you don’t seem like the racist, misogynistic, homophobic, h8ter that we’ve been led to believe all you people are.-

    “Gee…I’ve never actually met a Republican before…”

    So I’m an island amongst a deep blue sea(swidt), and never have a problem getting along with anyone who’s polite, humble without being wimpy, and can disagree without being disagreeable…

  280. she’s just our nishi is all

    we would miss her if she was gone

  281. So let me get this straight: Keid said he’s always identified with conservatives, but coming here has pushed him away.

    The response to this, from happyfeet, is that this guy is particularly sharp.

    I think I get it. Thanks, happy. But I have to ask, what are you still doing here if this place repulses all the sharpies? With its dumbness?

    Real question. Because I’m getting tired of hearing how just about everyone save nishi and Keid and thor, et al., aren’t quite up to snuff.

  282. Concur with Big D in #279. Completely.

    Girls like that may *seem* interesting and exciting, but the long-term sequelae aren’t worth it. Trust me. Thank God I came to my senses early on and wound up with someone better for me (i.e., not fucking batshit crazy).

  283. Oh, #283 was me. Forgot to de-sockpuppet.

  284. The proposition that there is no culture war could be useful I guess, to the extent that it relays the underlying proposition that there is no culture

    I don’t get this. Of course there is culture. It’s just that culture is defined by beliefs and practices, which by their nature are potentially transient or ephemeral. Making cultures fluid.

  285. Whazzup BigD?

    Fair winds and following seas to you and yours.

  286. oh. About the liking. sorry. That was just a

    what do you call those things?

    a musing born of frustration I guess

  287. I think Mr. sdferr was being

    how do you call it?

    subtle

  288. There is culture, I think, in the same sense in which there is an ego, id, superego structure to human consciousness. What’s not to like?

  289. jeez Mr. Jeff you are reading way too much into things today

  290. Hiya, Bob. I’ve been around. I just changed my nic to Duke, but changed it back for…obvious reasons.

  291. I’m with Bob Reed. I do NOT go to blogs to make friends or even interact with lefties. Least of all those who have the requisite psychological make up to enjoy being irritants where they’re not welcome.

  292. Keid A says interesting things out loud, and nishi is… nishi!

    that’s not to say everyone else is dumb

    everyone else is in fact NOT dumb I will have you know.

  293. I didn’t men to suggest Bob shares my sentiment, which he may or may not. Merely that we’re subjected to the same social milieu in our everyday lives.

  294. jeez Mr. Jeff you are reading way too much into things today

    More of a cumulative effect, really.

    There is culture, I think, in the same sense in which there is an ego, id, superego structure to human consciousness.

    And what way is that?

  295. No, he’s close to being correct.

  296. Yeah I didn’t realize that the Duke-hate was so strong nationwide. I thought it was mostly restricted to other ACC schools; like my own Maryland University.

    That was one hell of a game the other night vs Butler though.

  297. How did that post twice? Weird. I don’t recall ever seeing that happen here.

  298. The way in which the “scientists” who created these concepts were in need of tools to “get a handle” on their chosen objects of study. Thataway.

  299. she’s just our nishi is all

    we would miss her if she was gone

    You shouldn’t say “we” when you mean “I”.

  300. I’m with you all the way Abe; you know what it’s like to be here in NYC and the local areas. I definitely don’t come around to hear the proclamations of far left folks that intentionally want to be gadflys.

    That’s not to say I’m looking for a cocoon or anything; I don’t need anyone’s affirmation. I come here for Jeff’s inimitable writing, the generally intelligent and witty commentariat, and the interesting discussions that evolve throughout the threads.

    I don’t hang at a lot of blogs; just the best ones :)

  301. ‘feets, people like nishi or thor come here and call everyone racists and assholes. Then, in or after the resulting flames, you say something positive about nishi or thor. I think you can imagine how that might begin to grate.

    I mean, c’mon. You’ve met humans before, right?

  302. Nor ‘our’ when you refer to anything that may encompass me.

  303. That’s what language does. “Culture” should be no more a problem than “fork.”

    At any rate, I’m especially prickly this evening. Transmission went out on my Jeep today. I love my Jeep. I am saddened.

    Also, my wife is out of town on business. And I can’t afford hookers. Because of the transmission thing.

    Saddened.

    So I’m gonna go watch My Bodyguard. I always feel better when Adam Baldwin kicks Mike’s ass.

  304. Nor than phlogiston either.

  305. well yes I know about the humans it’s just she’s our nishi… she’s not some random hoohah

  306. Adam Baldwin is in My Bodyguard? According to IMDB, yes, yes, he is. That just seems really weird to me for some reason.

  307. How can we miss zono if she won’t go away?

    You, too.

  308. specific hoohah

  309. Heh, I spent about 20 minutes yesterday trying to explain to my nine year old how fire is energy and not a substance.

  310. Nishit is a bigoted lying cunty eugenicist freak what tells lies lies lies. And that is on her good days.

  311. I read a review what said when you were little and you first saw the My Bodyguard movie you probably had no idea how gay it was. What with all the suppressed yearnings for man on man love and such.

    He had screen shots from where they were riding motorcycles.

    It seemed very important to him that people understand.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen that one.

    My favorite not-so-subtly homo-erotic movie from that era is The Chocolate War.

  312. here it was

  313. The worst that can be said of Kate is that she is entirely a pose. Shatter any of her professed beliefs and she’ll just shrug and try some new ones on for size. They’re all just hadbags and gladrags.

  314. Hohos and cupcakes!

  315. jessiefromsocal I think makes an appearance in the comments….

    September 02, 2007 9:23 PM
    Anonymous said…

    Geesh! You guys are assholes! Wanna know something? Makepeace did some really good movies and if his life turned a different direction so what! He did a great job and worked with some big stars! Thats good enough for me! What the hell did you guys ever do in the film industry to become a known success at the time?

    Nothing! I thought so! Your the losers!

  316. My Bodyguard was set in Chicago, too. Man, I don’t remember anything. 1980 was 30 years ago. That doesn’t seem right but I’ve counted twice now.

  317. I’m a little scared to say anything about the Jeep tranny because that sounds super expensive.

  318. Nishi is now pretending to be Islamic.

    I think all of her nascent Islamic posturing’s because her deepest and first love, a co-blogger from gnxp named “aziz” broke her heart, and threw her out of his blog; now she’s tramping after him even to the extent to fake-don a burka. Obviously aziz was a great influence on easily-impressionable Kate. But, sadly, the love only went in one direction (aziz must be smarter than…

    Sorry, ‘feets, you’re just rebound material. )

  319. aziz linked to a post of mine here a few years ago. I was Yellow Joe Pulitzer. True story.

  320. Sorry, that was Razib at GNXP.

  321. I remember reading that post bh, and following it down put it in the pile with the various other reasons that Bob Wright is an untrustworthy twit.

  322. I mean, I really don’t like that particular self professed liberal. Too greasy by half.

  323. well yes I know about the humans it’s just she’s our nishi… she’s not some random hoohah

    Yeah, she’s our genocidal babbling tapeworm. What’s not to love? We should learn to focus our wrath.

    *

  324. One might call him illiberal even, sdferr. By the way, when I was pissing off two big shots, one still considered a conservative heavyweight and the other with the juice to become a founder bloggingheads? Jeff was cool with that. With an agnostic putting his thumb in their eyes to defend an atheist from faulty interpretation at a conservative/classical liberal blog. ‘Cause of the… well, science.

    Jeff hasn’t changed.

  325. I’ve seen a good number of people lose their minds on these here intertubes. Jeff ain’t one of them.

  326. As to that question (whether Jeff had changed in some substantial way) I wasn’t aware there was one, even, so little is any change apparent.

  327. That’s long before my time, bh (or Yellow Joe Pulitzer…you’ll have to ‘splain that at some point). I skipped back a couple dozen posts, and…Allah was in the house.

    He’s become quite haughty since, hasn’t he?

  328. ["...one still considered a conservative heavyweight..."]

    Of Dennett, this? Which, hmmmm. Given his own self description as standard issue liberal in the ordinary modern way.

  329. I went with Yellow Joe Pulitzer because blowhard (bh) was what I used at my recently defunct old blog and I didn’t want my 3 or 4 readers asking why I killed my crappy site.

    That was from when Jeff took a trip back east and had a lot of us guest blog for him in the meantime. Everyone pretty much tried to do their impressions of his style. Good times.

    Look at all the people who filled in for Jeff and then sigh at what happened to the old blogosphere.

  330. Oh I don’t doubt that they were desperate BMoe. I just think you could simplify things a little bit if you remove all the justifications around why that desperation allowed them to continue committing immoral acts.

     So you think it would have been moral to just bail?  Fuck the banks, I’m having a yardsale and catching the next coach to Boston?

     Just turn a couple dozen innocents loose in the wilderness?  Dump them in the next county like a bunch of mongrel puppies?

     Shiip them back to Africa where they will go right back into the slave market?

     If the self rightous north had been willing to spend a fraction of what the war and reconstruction cost to help make emmancipation anything but a suicide pact for the south before the war it probably wouldn’t have happened.  But they weren’t, so hell sublet North America for a spell.

  331. Andrew Sullivan was still considered by some to be conservative heavyweight at that time, sdferr.

    Dennett has always been a liberal as far as I know.

  332. Sullivan. Of course, sorry. Man, I’m dumb that way too often.

  333. Year slavery ended in the USA: 1865.

    Year slavery ended in the EU: 1945 (Germany); 1991 (socialist countries).

    Or don’t slave labor camps count!?

    Embarrassment score for celebrating Confederate history:3.
    Embarrassment score for celebrating socialism or EU history:10.

  334. Geesh! You guys are assholes! Wanna know something? Makepeace did some really good movies and if his life turned a different direction so what! He did a great job and worked with some big stars! Thats good enough for me! What the hell did you guys ever do in the film industry to become a known success at the time? Nothing! I thought so! Your the losers!

    My band had a song in the soundtrack of this movie, and we got to play it and sing back up to the theme song with Johnny fucking Paycheck at the premiere.

     Now what have you done?

  335. “Dennett has always been a liberal as far as I know.”

    Except perhaps when tangling with Gould and Lewontin in defense of Ed Wilson. Then he gets to be a nasty reactionary cave dweller with the rest of us.

  336. I still spit when I think of Gould.

  337. B “America” Moe, fuck yeah!

  338. Gould reminds me of A.Lincoln’s you can fool some of the people etc.

  339. nice job Mr. Moe

    I didn’t see that movie I don’t think

  340. Is this by someone that has been discussed her lately.

  341. I am a serious motherfucker.

  342. here not her.

  343. I don’t know if it ever really got released for real, ‘feets. Danny Boyd, the producer/director dude was taking it around and showing it at indy theatres and draft houses for awhile.

    It was a really cool movie in an amatuerish, punk rock kind of way, I will see if it is still available at all.

  344. i will check netflix

  345. at least my netflix in windows media center doesn’t know that one

  346. Year slavery ended in the USA: 1865.

    Year slavery ended in the EU: 1945 (Germany); 1991 (socialist countries).

    Sorry, the USA version was “private slavery” the other is “State slavery” and is still thought of with much favor in certain (very high up) places.

  347. Wait a second, Geoff. Was nishi posting recipes on the same day (Oct 7th, 2004) that I was defending Dennett from the bad science/interpretation/religion of crazed progressives?

    If that’s true… wow.

    Check and fucking mate, kate.

  348. No, that’s Kate from Small Dead Animals.

    Nishi posted here, but not under “Kate.”

  349. Sounds from Slart’s comment it was more body piercing than recipe, though the link is 404’d.

  350. At Amazon. VHS only.

  351. Shit, I should have known that was too good to be true.

    Hey, Jeff, Wright invite you on bloggingheads lately?

  352. Thank you Jeff. I wondered.

  353. What’s bloggingheads? I’ve never been invited on anything.

    ‘Cause I suck is why.

    Now I’m going to hit the treadmill. After that, I’ll run on it. But first I’m going to slap the bitch. Because of my transmission.

    Good thing I had that fundraiser, huh? Now I can almost pay for a new clutch.

  354. TalkLeft? Was that Jeralyn?

  355. Who were Steve H., Robert Plather, and andy-wwr?

  356. …Allah was in the house. He’s become quite haughty since, hasn’t he?

    Yep.

  357. Yeah, that was, di.

  358. I think Andy was a conservative atheist. Steve H., you might remember best from his food stuff.

    Just working from memory here.

  359. Robert Plather?*

  360. Andy runs world wide rant. Nice guy, but he’s a militant atheist, and he likes to poke the Christians with a stick.

    Which I find ironic: the guy spends more time arguing religion than most religious folk. I don’t see the charm, frankly.

    And yes, that was Jeralyn. We used to be friendly. Haven’t spoken in a while.

    Steve H. joined the ranks of those who think I’m a miserable tit.

  361. Speaking of a certain Jeep’s fucked up transmission, this is probably the the first (and definitely unauthorized) fund-raising post of pw. Also, enjoy my incredible insight regarding the coming horror of the Soros and Denton blogs.

    Then pitch in a few bucks. Don’t make me hack the login and do it again. I’ll do it. I swear I’ll do it.

  362. Just so we are clear, SEKs and Barrett are mendoucheous little poofters.

  363. No good deed goes unpunished.

  364. Just so we are clear, SEKs and Barrett are mendoucheous little poofters.

    Boy howdy.

  365. Your karma is through the roof though, Jeff.

    It all got messed up on its own. Because humans are what humans are. That’s really the long and short of it. Fuckin’ humans.

  366. I kinda feel like drinking on a Wed night now.

  367. Ummmm… Scotch. Puts me in the mind of trout streams running down the stairs and the whale sounds you can hear in a mushroom pizza.

    Recognize, bitches.*

    *Guess whose fiction that is. Jaff Gildstern’s. That’s whose.

  368. you can’t digest pectin but it’s considered good fiber

  369. link for 370.

  370. No wait that’s bh. Arrggghhh.

  371. Well, it does sort of show that I get pissed about these things once a year, Geoff.

  372. Or, to rephrase that sort of dickishly, it’s not our nishi. nishi don’t rank. nishi isn’t even a footnote. nishi is a new school fucking griefer who when out her head. Same with fucking thor.

    And, hey, maybe it’ll happen again. But, if it does, it’ll still mean shit about shit. I’ve been here. I’ve seen. I’ve had blurbs running longer than all these shit talking fools. The Jeff changed talk, so says nishi/thor/et al, is a bunch of poser bullshit. And it’s a lie, pure and simple.

    / drops microphone and changes out of his sweaty full leather outfit

  373. Can we give it a rest now, ‘feets?

  374. Don’t you “change” either bh.

  375. Heh, I’m not really looking to, Geoff.

  376. Good.

    Now I’ll say good night for a few hours.

  377. Wow, I totally misinterpreted that cartoon. I thought Darleen was criticizing Obama’s white half.

    ‘Cause a real Brother would never pull that shit, is why.

    Politics isn’t about communication anymore, maybe it never was and we were fooling ourselves that it wasn’t just war by other means.

  378. @ 372

    I still giggle embarrassingly when I reread stuff like this. I distinctly remember spraying diet coke out my nose onto my keyboard the first time I read it, which was bad because it was hard to pretend I was doing work.

    Pretty sure it was “fleshy, magnificent anvil” that set me off.

  379. Nope…..it just means the minority voters see right through your protestations.

    Yes, in much the same way that Duke faculty and women of no power can see right through the protestations that hey, we were fully dressed and zipped at the time to the inner rapist and, well, the rape thoughtcrime.

    happyfeets says it’s just you saying what you’re thinking. To me it looks more like involuntary flinch-response than thinking.

    Shit, forgot the TRIGGER ALERT.

  380. I think I’ll just drop it BMoe. Hope there are no hard feelings.

  381. Sometimes blowhard (bh) is a pretty apt name for me. Last night might have been one of them.

  382. I think I’ll just drop it BMoe. Hope there are no hard feelings.

    Not at all from me, still respect your opinion a lot. I just think that the plantation owners get kind of a raw deal, 20/20 hindsight and all that. Most of them were born into a generations old system and a helluva moral predicament.

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