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- In The Mailbox: 02.28.23 (Afternoon Edition) : The Other McCain on Hey, longtime pw readers…
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But Jeff, he
is[was] a good man.Well for some anyway.
Sorry. I meant to say “when the fuck wasn’t it clear to people on the right who weren’t simply out to make nice and pretend that an obvious socialist masquerading as a centrist was anything but a dissembling, hard-core leftist, so much so that they distanced themselves from others on the right who had the audacity to claim Obama wasn’t, in fact, a good man — and in the process, helped diminish the conservative message for the sake of a little pat on the head from ‘sensible moderates’?” — but that was, like, WAY more than six-ish words.
Kristol is far far too useless to have found the words “primary challenge” relevant to his little screed there I’m guessing.
None so blind as those who will not see.
Ditto.
That is my frustration in a fucking nutshell. When did the truth lose its edge?
“Now it has unfolded. We know what Obamaism looks like.”
What the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck?
When did the truth lose its edge?
When it was sacrificed for ideology.
oh…scratch that. Its must more elemental. The infantalization of America – when a majority of people believed they were entitled to their neighbors’ earnings if they just voted the “correct” people in office.
Remember the gal screeching with glee that now she was going to get gas and have her mortgage paid by some one else now that Obama was President.
That kind of moral looter isn’t interested in the truth.
I am not really buying it, Darleen. I think the reason Palin resonates like she does is because of her fundamental honesty. The Republicans need to get in touch with that, even if your are right and it won’t work, at least go down with honor.
It’s got nothing to do with tents, idiot. I am talking about kicking down fucking walls.
“When did the truth lose its edge?”
It has been an insanity-making long process that began roughly speaking around 1500 but wasn’t completed until the late 1800’s. Took awhile with lots little steps. Christ himself only knows how it gets turned around.
Maybe so, but the crease in his pants is still so dreamy!!!
Palin can take Begich’s seat in 2014. I think she needs to get a tv show and do another book before then and what she can do meanwhile is help people raise money for 2010 and campaign where needed and be a team player in 2012, up to and including possibly not speaking at the R convention. I don’t know if she can understand how much respect she would earn by not seeking to speak at the R convention.
B Moe
I’m not going to take away from Palin. She definitely does resonate and it the reason she scares the shit out of Leftists and makes them hysterical to shred her by all means foul and fouler.
Tents, by definition, are temporary and lack a solid foundation.
Suddenly makes more sense when soproggs say it, eh?
Wish I could remember where I heard that.
Who should speak at the Republican Convention, happyfeet? Seriously, who can you think of right now that you would really like to hear speak at the Republican Convention?
David Frum marches to the beat of a different drummer.
And he is off beat.
I bitched about tents awhile back Kresh. Still think it’s one of the stupidest metaphors I’ve ever heard used in politics.
it the reason she scares the shit out of Leftists
That, and her Bush-like poll numbers.
Don’t run Sarah, please don’t run!
my point is more she wouldn’t be in tremendously good company if she went and there’d be precious little upside for her I think… she’s better off holding herself apart from those ones. You saw who the R ones gave the conch to today for their national weekly address thinger? This loser. These R ones are beyond salvaging I think. Homopublicans the lot of them.
Jen is wrong. The Republican shitheads need to sit up straight and pay attention and ask themselves just why it is that Meghan’s coward daddy is so interested in hanging about.
They have much much more to do than simply being the party of no. They need to at least try to be the party of useful. They need to at least show an interest.
Gotcha. I agree with that I suppose. But I think you should also consider the contrast, just like the last convention she is going to look like a supernova compared to the rest of those pathetic dregs.
And also someone needs to pimp slap Lindsey Graham into next week.
The Republicans need a purge.
All right, we know she wouldn’t make any of the stupid, thoughtless possibly criminal actions we’ve seen this last year, and she has some good ideas about
energy tax & economic policy. Witness the
subterfuge it took to get that wretched
medical confiscation act, out of the house. So she should wait five years to
challenge that corrupt weasel Begich, so she can ladle pork like Stevens. Just bring on the comet, now, it’ll be less
painful.
snotty, the more you bare your little yellow teeth, the more you prove my point.
maybe… but the R party is dying I think… they’re useless and there’s absolutely no reason to think they’ll ever regain respectability…
oh… maybe to #24… #26 definitely… it’s the only thing that can save them… all those Mainstreet R homos – and Mark Kirk is one of them – they need to find themselves floating along on their very own iceberg I think, an iceberg with a walk-in closet for Lindsey’s evening wear
The purge will continue here. Snowcone is next.
if John Shadegg would simply announce he was going to challenge Meghan’s coward daddy then I think we might could start to have the conversation we need to have… he’s doesn’t have the balls I don’t think, but if he did people would start to get very, very focused I think
Yikes!
Darleen, the “truth” is that Gallup has Obama at 54/38 approve/disapprove, ’bout the same as he’s been since July. Rasmussen has him a little lower (50/49), but just as steady.
What else matters?
Standing in opposition to harmful policy is useful happyfeet, especially when such opposition succeeds at blocking implementation of that bad policy. Articulating a better alternative simply goes with that territory, but there’s little hope any Republican legislative alternatives are going to pass, at least until more Republican seats can be won and if in that event, enough of the remaining centrist Democrats get frightened enough for their own survival that they begin to adopt Republican positions or settle for reasonable compromise in writing their own bills and electing their own leaders, offloading the bozos like Nancy P. and Harry R.
that’s true enough but it sort of ignores how we got here to begin with… what Meghan’s coward daddy was working toward and is still working toward is a functional majority comprised of democrats and his Main Street R homos like the Mark Kirk one he wants in his little Senate. 2010 could very well be the fruition of his dream.
It’s just so awful. Everything.
It’s just so awful. Everything.
We’re all just prisoners of the times we live in, happy.
going to my happy place
The point though is that while McCain stays where he is, the rest of the country is moving away from him about as fast as I’ve ever seen it move on anything, other than the attacks on 9/11. McCain isn’t keeping up, which, all in all, has to be a good thing, I think. He’ll probably figure it out eventually and scramble to catch up but I think he’s gonna be shit out of luck.
I hope you’re right but if need be he can borrow the little president man’s media whenever he wants you know
Beat him down in Arizona, is another way, if anyone can figure out how. That Jon Kyl fucker isn’t going to help though.
no. Not Mr. Kyl but Mr. Shadegg would kick his ass I think. I’d send him monies if he’d do it. Like twenty whole dollars even.
Shadegg was the lone abstainer wasn’t he?
Jeff G, Darleen,
Please do purge away.
A good thoughtful discussion here (without the fucking trolls stealing bandwidth)would be good concerning the best way to get the Republican party back to some type of useful organization for the people.
Lindsey Graham needs to go the way of Arlen Spectre.
McCain needs to do the decent thing and retire.
Darleen, the “truth” is that Gallup has Obama at 54/38 approve/disapprove, ’bout the same as he’s been since July. Rasmussen has him a little lower (50/49), but just as steady.
What else matters?
I notice that you never make the case for his policies, just his popularity. This isn’t high school.
State your case for how his policies turn the tide or shut the hell up. Stand up, snowy, or go away.
You may be right, hf, VanderLeun has a phrase, actually two, “Republicans they thirst for death” and “better dead (than
led)by Palin. Kirk I don’t get a former navy man, (intelligence I think)who says he wouldn’t vote for cap n trade in the Senate, but did in his house seat. Epic
fail ‘Are we the only ones not on crazy pills
Go to the Pub, snowy, and state your case. Give us your well thought out propositions and let us debate. You won’t. You can’t think beyond the bumper sticker slogans.
Snowcone is a lot like McCain Big D. He isn’t going anywhere unless he’s shown the door.
None so blind indeed. The GOP is never going to get it, ever. Capitalism is of secondary concern to them, just like the Democrats, only for different reasons.
We need a freedom first party. Freedom first, period.
I think most conservatives want to projectile-vomit whenever Lindsey Graham plasters his face in front of a camera. There must be a way I can make some money from that.
Damn, sdferr. You have a very good point.
Give us your well thought out propositions and let us debate.
Big D, when the Republicans were given control of the government, they increased the size of it by 50%.
Why worry that the Democrats may do the same thing?
paid by some one else now that Obama was President.
People like that don’t get that someone else pays. They think there’s this magical pool of cash they can dip into.
The dependent class doesn’t know where their checks come from any more than city kids know that milk comes from manure-producing, cud-chewing bovines.
As for the GOP, it might be better to gut the thing and take it back, if only because there’s a lot of infrastructure to take advantage of.
Then again, it might not be possible to burn out the deadwood without taking it all down.
Markos Moulitas Zúniga only wishes he had the Tea Partiers’ numbers and dedication. The sleeping giant has awakened, in no small part due to Glenn Beck and that guy on the trading floor who said so long ago that we needed a new Tea Party movement.
Indeed dicentra,
also, this latest move by the Obama/Holder team to bring KSM to NY for trial is polling at about 90% against.
Obama’s real favorables are somewhere in the mid 40’s. This latest fuckup, along with continued double-digit unemployment, are going to lower those even more.
Go to the Pub, snowy, and state your case.
Evidence shows that trolls don’t do any better at the Pub when given a chance.
dicentra
you listen to Hewitt as much as I do. He spent the better part of last week railing about the NRSC and NRCC and how utter thick, useless and clueless they were.
The GOP infrastructure is in place… what conservatives and libertarians need to do is a palace revolt.
A palace revolt sounds good to me. It sounds good to just about everyone. I don’t know how the deadwood gets there nor how it stays there, but then, I’m totally clueless about politics.
I’d volunteer to put myself in those positions because I’m so damned competent, but I don’t know how to schmooze nor do I possess the slightest bit of tact when I identify someone as incompetent.
I have learned from sad experience that competence cannot save you against spite, envy, and manipulation.
#51 “when the Republicans were given control of the government, they increased the size of it by 50%.” Cite, please. Size of the debt, deficit, number cival servants? What? Is that including prosecuting two wars and the hit on the economy from 9/11? The current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has tripled that THIS YEAR.
Tyranny in a Cup thinks that we’re playing team sports, so tu quoque is as good a logical fallacy as any.
Civil. Not six words, but close.
Washington is looting the treasury, many of the republicans just want in on it as well, because you know Lindsey G. is getting some cash out of the cap and tax racket.
It’s not so much that the system is broken, the jerkwads just don’t bother to follow any of the rules anymore.
Big D, when the Republicans were given control of the government, they increased the size of it by 50%.
Bullshit. Prove it or shut the fuck up. Your ass pulls are getting tiresome. Show your work or get out.
Come on snowy. Show me 50% increases or leave.
Come on snowy. Show me 50% increases or leave.
No,
We’ve had the same debate about the number of additional troops Obama has already sent to Afghanistan and the size of Social Security’s overhead over the past few days.
In both cases I was right and provided you with numerous links to prove it.
I’m not your monkey, and if you’re unaware that W. increased the size of the federal government by 50% over his 8 years in office you really have no place discussing anything to do with the Republican party.
Google is your friend, learn to use it.
Richard Lindzen of MIT finally proves that the founding assumptions of AGW are a crock. [PDF]
AGW promoters say that the more CO2 you get in the atmosphere, the less heat will radiate into space. On page 45, he shows all of the estimates by AGWers as to what will happen with the increased accumulation of CO2.
On the next page, he shows actual measurements of what has happened.
Conclusion? Increased heat in the atmosphere results in increased amounts of heat radiated into space.
Ergo, it’s all wrong. Every bit of it. But then, Lindzen also knows that no one will stop promoting the AGW cause: it’s just too good to stop.
I’ll just be right over here. I haven’t been blooded in a while, but i’m ready for this sumbitch. j
Brazen lying must be fun for them that does it dicentra. We have more than a few examples before our eyes to examine for the tells.
Last time I checked, Obama is President.
1.4 $trillion deficit and 10.2% unemployment. Now that’s some hope and change baby!
In other words, you can’t support your argument. Shocked I Am.
My guess is next year will be 2.2$trillion deficit and 11% unemployment. Those should be some good times.
My guess is next year will be 2.2$trillion deficit and 11% unemployment. Those should be some good times.
Plus Iranian nukes, Russians moving on Georgia, and NorK aggression. Hope and change baby, hope and change.
Oh, and snowy, if you can prove that you have ever won an argument I’ll eat my own computer. Without salt and pepper.
This Obama fella’ ain’t so good at job creating. I’m guessing he’s not going to get around to makin’ those oceans recede either.
I keep getting this notice that my unicorn is on back order. I am seeing a connection here.
Big D,
I am wondering what the Joint Chiefs will do when Obama orders them to fire on Israeli jets while they are on their way to bouncing some rubble near those Iran nuke facilities.
I am thinking they will give him the middle finger and tell him to rethink his position.
Ric would love to see that I think dicentra.
Won’t come to that Ghost. He will be presented with his options and by the time he makes his decision, it will be over.
I think he is hoping that someone will take up the response so that he doesn’t have to.
He does like those Present!votes, doesn’t he.
Besides, he’s got alot more work unemploying a few more million Americans.
Brazen lying must be fun for them that does it dicentra.
That’s because the purpose of lying is to exert POWAH over someone else’s perception of reality. Except for taking someone’s life, manipulating their reality is as awesome as it gets for the powah-seekers.
Some of us that cared knew EXACTLY what Obama is. I believe the Teaparty movement will be a huge factor in separating the sheep from the goats in the Republican camp. Self-loving wankers such as Graham and Gingritch are going to get thrown out with the trash- where they belong. We could tolerate these fools as long as they weren’t actually hurting us; but that time is past.
Some of us that cared knew EXACTLY what Obama is.
We knew he was not a good man. And we knew anyone who’d gotten his political start in Bill Ayers’ living room and his religion in Jeremiah Wright’s church and his funding from George Soros was probably out to destroy the America of individual liberty and economic opportunity.
I believe the Teaparty movement will be a huge factor in separating the sheep from the goats in the Republican camp.
More people need to join Tea Party activities. It’s the one (semi-organized) movement that makes the Dems and GOP uneasy. I have also rejoined my local GOP, after a hiatus of 10 years, in order to have a say there. Commenting on blogs is useful, but it’s not going to bring change at the basic level. And give money. Though unemployed, I still slip a few bucks where I can (sorry for the drought lately, Jeff).
Self-loving wankers such as Graham and Gingritch are going to get thrown out with the trash- where they belong. We could tolerate these fools as long as they weren’t actually hurting us; but that time is past.
I’d submit that thrown out with the trash is too strong, especially with regard to Gingrich. The priority is saving our country from socialism and tyranny. We must all hang together or we will hang separately.
Now back to searching job listings and all the nice people who will put me in touch with new horizons for a small fee.
alphie, login and state the case for collectivism, you braying jackass.
broken HTML; you get the point.
No, Happy. We got to take em into the alley and knee em in the groin an tell em to either get on board or take a hike.Show em the knife. We got problems here in Illinois as if you didn’t know. We have to get rid of our dipshit dem local rep who ran claiming to be all for small business, but he ain’t, Foster is his name, and that monumental embarrassment of a senator Burris and then the other one commie dem Durbin. Twenty! Hell I’ll go as far as a hundred and ring doorbells for a good conservative candidate.
alphie, login and state the case for collectivism, you braying jackass.
The answer will be a lie, JHo. They believe in collectivism, but won’t admit it on this blog, because they know they can’t fool the regulars here into thinking it’s not a loss of liberty.
For now, Socialism is the love which dare not speak its name, but it’s strong. One of the Department Heads at Virginia Tech told me that during a recent heated argument the university provost called himself a socialist. Can anyone doubt there’s a connection between that and VT’s attempt to make agreement with “diversity” a prerequisite for hiring, promotion, and tenure? Virginia Tech — a damn state, land-grant formerly agricultural institution.
The main employer in my region — the university — tries to enforce political correctness. My regional newspaper shapes the news on both its editorial and “news” pages to fit a liberal agenda. Some peoples’ president tries to bludgeon Fox News and Rush Limbaugh into submission, while purging the government of Republicans. The legacy media covers for him, as he plots a massive takeover of health care and American liberty.
Again, we must all hang together or we’ll hang separately.
Again with the death threats, Jeff? You are so banned.
“Comment by Snowcone on 11/15 @ 1:52 am #
Come on snowy. Show me 50% increases or leave.
No,
We’ve had the same debate about the number of additional troops Obama has already sent to Afghanistan and the size of Social Security’s overhead over the past few days.”
And you lost both arguments, you fucking retarded marmoset.
Now, FOAD.
“I’m not your monkey”
Yes you are.
Dance, monkey, dance to the reactionary leftist pipers.
The answer will be a lie, JHo. They believe in collectivism, but won’t admit it on this blog, because they know they can’t fool the regulars here into thinking it’s not a loss of liberty.
I don’t think he was anticipating a dissertation. Importuning an immensely stupid person like snowclown to show that he has the mental capacity to formulate a thoughtful argument is one of the only ways to derive satisfaction while engaging this waste of bandwidth because he can’t and won’t rise to the challenge. He’s afraid to even cop to what he does for a living or what kind of education he has.
Well I’m glad that Rubin person pointed that out to me.
I mean I thought, you know, give the guy a chance.
But geewhiz she’s right, he’s just dirty Chicago street trash!
I read somewhere that Israel was going to wait till December to see if the mullahs were going to concede anything on the nukes. That makes 2010 look like some “Interesting Times”.
“Events are in the saddle, the terrible ifs accumulate”
Or his MOS.
“I’m not your monkey”
Dance, monkey dance.
That one’s gonna stick.
Alphie/snotnose is objectively racist. Monkey? Dance for me, bitch! Doubled the troops! 1% overhead! He counts those aggressive and brazen lies as wins for alphie? That pretty much sums up the person that came up with the balloon fence, mile high dirt berm, and the Chinese invading by shipping containers.
“I’m not your monkey, and if you’re unaware that W. increased the size of the federal government by 50%.”
Yeah. While the democrat controlled congress said, “Please don’t increase government,please sir.”
Article One of the US Constitution is your friend, you brainless fucking shitstain. Read it if you’re able to muddle your way through all those big words.
Big D, when the Republicans were given control of the government, they increased the size of it by 50%.
Why worry that the Democrats may do the same thing?
Because it’s bad? Because I didn’t like it when Bush was doing it? Because it’s part of the reason our fiscal situation is as bad as it is?
Because I’m not a statist.
Because if Congress along with Bush spent money like a drunken sailor, then the current mis-administration is spending money like a coked up Armada.
I wonder how alphie’s “logic” would play out with household finance?
That evil comes first with soothing promises, of paradise easily gained at little cost, should not be a surprise to anyone with even a modicum of familiarity with the bible or world history. That humans, in their humanity, always forget the lesson and have to have their faces ground into the dirt before awaking, should also not be surprising as common as it has been through all history and in the bible.
Before this most recent election the way of the campaign in Iraq showed this same old dynamic. The success of “the Surge” was premised upon the “Anbar Awakening” without which it would not have succeeded. The wonderful promises that a true evil uses to attract adherents seemingly must be allowed to be shown as false in the most stark and horrific way before the evil can be exposed to most eyes and then beaten back.
Humans get more technically advanced but in wisdom we remain as we have been. Still suckers for the shiny bauble dangled just out of reach. “And so it goes”, humanity’s theme.
There’s a saying in legal reform that one can never tell whether it’s the incompetence or it’s the corruption — motive counts, but the net result is how we gauge the severity of concentrated, organized, irresponsible, soulless power.
snowload gets no credit for ignorance but tons for lying.
That’s an excellent point, geoffb. Together we can be awfully stupid.
Comment by N. O’Brain on 11/15 @ 8:05 am #
Because if Congress along with Bush spent money like a drunken sailor, then the current mis-administration is spending money like a coked up Armada.
That’s worth saying twice!
Ah, ah, ah, I sai, I said, Send McCain home, as a champion game cock (2nd place), to breed some more fine fine daughters.
I am a big fan. I think Obama is a good man.
An excellent comment on proper bow technique and Barack Obama’s attempt at it:
Foreigners are not expected to bow, as they lack the requisite knowledge of the elaborate etiquette governing this for at least 1000 years.
This BHO bow, because of its degree of declination and the shamefully rounded back, is in Japanese eyes the bow of a crippled toilet attendant to his supreme master.
Posted by: Takuan Seiyo at November 14, 2009 12:19 PM
Heh. Foghorn Leghorn.
Hey! How about next, we dip the flag at the Olympics?
-BH Obama
A message from the, “Who didn’t know that?!?!”, department…
Ron Kuby is right about this:
“[Mohammed’s] goal in the legal system is not to beat the rap. His goal is to use the legal system as a forum for his own ideas and to embrace martyrdom through that system.”
I hope I am wrong on how this plays out, but I suspect that “Judgment at Nuremburg” this will not be. Holder and Obama gave KSM a hell of a last request, a chance to play (granted KSM’s own sick twisted version) of “A Man of All Seasons.”
And you lost both arguments, you fucking retarded marmoset.
Hahaha,
To the Glenn Beck Right, ignoring the obvious counts as a win.
Dance Monkey Dance.
Snotnose’s mendacity continues apace.
To
the Glenn Beck Righta moron like snowclown, linking an article that says Obama doubled the number of brigades (because he doesn’t know the difference between brigades and troop numbers)ignoring the obviouscounts as a win.FTFY
You are our monkey, alphie. Dance! Dance, I say.
Two things. Where can I get some foghorn leghorn mudflaps? What is the protocol when one is served three incorrextly made ketel one dry vodka martinis up?
“Comment by Snowcone on 11/15 @ 11:01 am #
And you lost both arguments, you fucking retarded marmoset.
Hahaha,
To the Glenn Beck Right, ignoring the obvious counts as a win.”
The ignorant dancing monkey of the reactionary left is too Stooooopid™ to realize he had his ass, head and teeeeny tiny little balls handed to him in both of those so called “arguments”.
You poor demented looser.
Now, dance, monkey, dance.
Consider:
Often we focus our ire on the doofus politician, the Lindsay Graham or John McCain (who deserve every bit of calumny we can bring them) but fail to see, mostly because they aren’t that visible to us, these professional campaign-men, these powerful decision makers who sit behind their curtains devising strategies and pulling strings, spending money hand over fist, often in naked self-interestedness with little regard for the fate of the nation. And really, what control have we over these unscrupulous beings? They aren’t elected by us. They are hirelings.
What is the protocol when one is served three incorrextly made ketel one dry vodka martinis up?
Gasp! Who did that? They should have their bartender license revoked. That is alcohol abuse!
sdferr, very right about the McCain campaign and its staffers and management. Those McCain henchbitches should tarred, feathered, and run out of town on rails.
“What is the protocol when one is served three incorrextly made ketel one dry vodka martinis up?”
Go all Tommy DeVito on him.
Hillary and Palin coffee summit?
You poor demented looser.
Hahaha,
Posts like this and the silly article Jeff linked to are good examples of what’s wrong with today’s Republican party.
It operates in a fact-free cocoon driven by hate-filled narrative instead of facts.
The nobody Jeff linked to claims Obama has “cut” defense spending when in fact he’s increased it 4% and such a whopper doesn’t even raise an eyebrow among the Silly Right.
What does it mean?
The Republicans will always win arguments within their faith-based cocoon, but never win one in America as a whole.
Which is how it should be.
However, that 4% funding increase for the Pentagon trails the 6.7% overall rise in the 2010 budget —
Dance monkey!
The Republicans will always win arguments within their faith-based cocoon, but never win one in America as a whole.
You couldn’t win an argument with Trig Palin you dimwit. This isn’t us versus them. It is you, the dumbest person ever to frequent here, versus everyone else here as we laugh at you. You may be right on RARE occasions because you look something up on google, but you’re so consistently clueless that nobody gives a fuck about fact-checking because the only value you have here is comic relief.
However, that 4% funding increase for the Pentagon trails the 6.7% overall rise in the 2010 budget —
And that, in the language of the left that we’ve all grown to know and love, is a cut.
We have all seen this before, but it could make a cool game.
Plug in the name of the blogger or commentator who best fits the awkward science fair projects.
For example, snowcone could fit #6, possibly #12, and for sheer lack of effort #29.
Hired by people who are elected by us. The buck stops at John McCain.
You couldn’t win an argument with Trig Palin you dimwit.
Oh, dear, taking shots at Trig Palin?
Really?
Look, we all know the Silly Right’s method for arguing anything these days:
1. Ignore any inconvenient facts
2. Spew lame, childish insults
3. Awkward chubby white boy high-fives all around
It’s the same from Fox News down to the lowliest wingnut blog.
It’s the same from Fox News down to the lowliest wingnut blog.
And yet you’re a lefty and by far the dumbest person here.
“Hired by people who are elected by us. The buck stops at John McCain.”
Quite so, B Moe, obviously. But that isn’t the end of the story, not by a long shot, is it? There are many thousands of such people working for thousands more who are not John McCain. And we know little if anything at all about them. We certainly don’t have a handle on the way they conduct their business or pursue their interests, do we?
I consider their actions to speak to who they work for, who are their friends, and who are their enemies. That politicians think that the money buys commitment, or loyalty from these mercenaries is a comment on the general intelligence level of that class.
On the whole the Left gets more ideological fellow travelers in this. Though that may make for loyalty it does not always translate to competence. See Shrum, Bob.
McCain is a cowardly man, and mean mean mean.
Some small number of this political consultant ad-men class have become known to us due to their exposure as incompetents or as disloyal self-seeking lowlifes: they soon show up on the political talk tv shows. These though, are still few in number I think, when held up to comparison to the class as a whole.
The political consultants are chiefly into maximizing credit for winning and minimizing blame for losing. Rats on a sinking ship and all that.
Again though, the political consultant’s interests are pitted against the interests of the nation which benefits or suffers, as the case may be, only accidentally, as it were, as an afterthought or secondary consequence of the pursuit of the primary goal of their activities, that being winning an election and being seen to have won. What do they care if the winner is an idiot, so long as they have won?
So it is the “incompetent” “disloyal self seeking lowlifes” who succeed and become the ones feted and rewarded? The celebrity life, heavenly playground of the Left.
For example.
I am a cynic, a pessimist, and a misanthrope, so I see pretty much everybody that way, which why I don’t like democracy.
“So it is the “incompetent” “disloyal self seeking lowlifes” who succeed and become the ones feted and rewarded? The celebrity life, heavenly playground of the Left.”
I don’t know about feted and rewarded, but what has become of David Gergen say, or Ed Rollins, to pick but two off the CNN roster?
In general, what I’m trying to get a hold on is this: people speak about purging the ranks of the politicians of those who cannot grasp the central principles of a given ideology — it matters not which in this instance — when the political consultants may be left alone to continue to pursue aims that can be directly counter to those same central tenets with a fresh batch of unknown politicians and thus keep alive the very destructive ends that were sought for elimination in the first instance. Yet I know of no way in which the public, acting in its own interests, would have any control or say in the matter of the vetting of political consultants. So, much effort to rid a given party of particular politicians might be entirely wasted, as the source of the problem remains in place.
I think you are granting too much power to the consultants, the vast majority of them are marketing/public opinion hacks who could give a shit about ideology, they are in it for the money and the game. I think of it as they are the crew, the party supplies the ship and the candidate is the captain. If the ship ain’t seaworthy and the captain can’t steer, you get chaos and mutiny.
I’m not intent on granting them anything B Moe, but I do assume they play a significant role in the conduct of their clients and their campaigns, yes. And the point of agreement we’ve found, namely, in shorthand, that they are in it for the money and game, as you put it, can have an untoward effect on the politics of the nation. Need I cite anyone other than David Axlerod, merely the most recently successful exemplar of the species to make the point?
I’m at a resort for fuck’s sake. Hap mccain’s a hack and a lot of crappy things, but he’s no coward. He’s got the damage to prove it.
Haleman, Erlichman, Atwater, Carville, Rove… etc…
These guys have been around as long as I can remember, and I am guessing for a long time before. I would reckon they are an unavoidable, if not necessary, evil. We really can only control them through the politicians that hire them, and that is what makes a leadership vacuum like the Republicans are going through so bad. The consultants need an alpha dog or they will make a mess of everything, that is a big part of Obama’s undoing. He is a very capable campaigner, but he has no leadership skills at all.
He may not be a coward, don, but he played one during the campaign. He should have bitch slapped Obama’s scrawny little punk ass during the debates, and instead he stood there and took his shit like a dottering old fool. I will never forgive him that, I was fucking screaming at the TV I was so pissed.
They’ve been around, though increasing, not diminishing or holding steady, in number as long as I’ve been watching politics closely B Moe, to be sure. But in the long run of things, that isn’t very far back. I think we can see much the same phenomenon in the growth of the White House staff, to pick one agency among the thousands. In the early twentieth century it numbered in a handful or couple score. Today it grows geometrically for all intents and purposes. So it has been with the background men. After all, their profession as such only stretches back to the days of Edward Bernays. Though the role they fulfill may have been around antecedent to that, it certainly wasn’t formalized nor had it whole schools devoted to its instruction in nearly every University.
There are four main permutations on the consultant/politician relationship.
The politician can be seen as what they actually are or can be portrayed as something they are not, that thing being something that is believed will sell better.
The consultant can believe that what he is selling is good in itself, or he can simply believe that what he is putting out is what can be sold and not care whether it is good or bad thing to sell or has any relation to the actual product.
In the sense of the bureaucracy, yeah, I understand your point. I thought you were just talking about campaign stooges. The bloated bureaucracy is why I think we are basically fucked, it is like a cancer that skews everything left and I really don’t like to think about solutions, because the only ones that come to mind are unspeakable.
Doddering? Yes. Fool? Yes. No business in politics? Yes. Coward? No. Now,I’m go ogle some russian mob molls.
At least with Atwater he could play the blues. Something I only found out recently and so bought a CD of him. I think if he hadn’t died so young our nation would have taken a different turn as he could have likely stopped Clinton in ’92. Not sure if that would have been good however. Apologies to certain parties for talking in multivariate analysis terms.
There’s martial courage, which I think no-one I know would deny McCain has in spades. Then there is intellectual courage, which I don’t think McCain knows from a hole in the ground.
Watch out for angry Norse Gods.
Of course they were rats from the start, regardless of the fate of their ship. As for this particular batch of rats dumping on Palin, I place the responsibility for that squarely on McCoot’s shoulders. He knew what they were doing and could have put a stop to it at any point, but instead he carried on with that same dazed look on his face that we’ve come to know so well.
Oh, and it is not that any other one-in-ten-thousand politicians would either, so he’s not special in his incapacity in that respect, at least in my estimation.
That, mixed with equal parts corruption, is the problem.
It seems to peal back to the end of the Protagoras, where it’s agreed that arete can’t be taught, Pablo, though it can be learned.
All,
I posted something at the Pub I hope you will read.
And Jeff G,
Nice to hear from you and thanks for providing a place where even a simpleton like me feels encouraged to express himself.
G’night all
Let’s be honest with ourselves here: Snowy is right about Bush’s spending and we need to know what the face of the enemy looks like if we are to defeat him. Bush was as bad or worse than any Democrat on spending. He implemented an insane prescription drug benefit within a program that was on a bullet train for insolvency already.
Remember Hayek’s dedication of “The Road to Serfdom”: To Socialists of All Parties. Just because a guy has an “R” after his name does not make him fiscally sane.
Two words, Jeff: wishful thinking.
Just not in Washington.
McCain is a coward politically…. geez… context.
The guy is completely squishy when it comes to standing for conservative values.
In the context of his personal courage as a POW, no one here is calling him a coward.
Every other context is wide open for debate.
I still remember all the OODA(?) loop posts back in OCT 2008… McCain had Obama in his sights etc. Obama kicked McCains ass because McCain stood for nothing. Cowards stand for nothing
Just to put Bush’s big-spending in perspective, he averaged about a 5.6% annual budget increase over his eight years. Obama’s first budget proposal is more than 16% over Bush’s last budget, essentially tripling the previous eight years’ annual increases. If Obama continues this trend, the federal budget in his 8th year (God forbid) will be nudging $12 trillion.
Jeff G. — as amazing in 6 words as he is in a 600 word sentence…
I’ve been puzzling over the decision to try KSM et al in civil courts and have come to the conclusion that it amounts to an unstated surrender to the jihadis in our war against them. Obama does not wish to be at war and has therefore simply quit it without saying so. The enemy surely gets the message however.
No, there has only been one political figure, who was in his OODA loop last fall, and it wasn’t McCain, because she ‘spoke truth to power’ as the saying goes
Holy shit, that’s Robert Cray! That poster’s got to be from 1975 or so.
Bush was as bad or worse than any Democrat on spending. He implemented an insane prescription drug benefit within a program that was on a bullet train for insolvency already.
Yes, to the extent that Bush embraced “compassion” and social spending, he sucked. I agree with snowboy %100.
It’s a jobs program. Chicago Style.
Jeff, if you check out the post where the Reason contributors revealed their votes last year, you get a pretty good idea why some of them might have been a little slow to catch on…
I’m with J.