June 4, 2009

Obama’s Speech and Related [Dan Collins; UPDATED]

Like Dan Spencer at Red State, I have a few problems with Obama’s speech, namely:

Let me also address the issue of Iraq. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: “I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be.”

Obama seems to have forgotten what the experience of international consensus on Saddam was, even in the face of North Korean and Iranian recalcitrance. The other part that bothers me is his statement that American over-reaction to 9/11 was responsible for abandonment of our values, i.e. EIT, which he terms torture. I would argue that it was an expression of American values to try to prevent in any way possible a recurrence of 3000 deaths and smouldering ruins in Manhattan.

This was otherwise a good speech per se. The problem is the way that it is liable to be received by America’s enemies, especially when you consider the Justice Department’s interference with the 9/11 lawsuit against the Saudis, its interference in the New Black Panther case out of Philly, and the possibility of its interference with the FBI’s investigation of the Recruiter Shooter.

Wouldn’t want to over-react, you know.

That said, this analysis of the administration’s bid to put American health care into the hands of a largely unaccountable bureaucratic entity ought to be getting more attention. And then there’s the issue of the jobs that Obama’s supposedly saving or creating.

I haven’t forgotten about Pelosi’s PrevariGate or the administration’s lying when it claims that it’s going to leave Chrysler and GM to decide how to run their companies. The TARP fiasco continues to unfold, with financial institutions unwilling to sell off their “toxic assets” to the government and outside investors acting much like Chinese investors with regards to Treasury Bonds. Nobody seems to be watching very closely regarding whom the administration will be appointing to the Boards of GM and Chrysler. The MSM never did pick up on the significance of the William Long shooting, just as, with a few exceptions, it hasn’t done any real reporting on the Chrysler dealership fiasco.

It’s important to continue to rehearse all of this, as bootless as this may seem, because what we are doing is continuing to build a dossier of media malfeasance in real time.

Oh, and Obama was “saddened” by the murder of Pvt. Long, but “outraged” by the murder of Dr. Tiller.

When it’s posted, please listen to what Dawood al-Shirian has to say about the speech on NPR’s “On Point,” specifically, that he wished that Obama had spoken out more against political prisoners and denounced what goes on daily in Muslim jails to this day, which is far worse than anything that happened at Abu Ghraib or GITMO.

At AoSHQ, DrewM adds:

Really? Part of the job of the President of the United States is to “to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear”? Since when exactly? What other religions does Obama feel responsible to defend?

Has he been defending mainstream Christian groups who have been lumped in with the guy who shot George Tiller? Maybe I missed that.

UPDATE: At American Thinker, Bruce Walker channels some Jeff Goldstein:

The danger to democracy from the media has never been because of patently partisan media. How many Republicans would be upset with the New York Times, if it changed its name to the New York Democrat? How upset would conservatives in Congress be with NPR if those abbreviations stood for National Progressive Radio? Or if CBS meant Center for Broadcasting Socialism? There is nothing ignoble or un-American about advocating what you believe or with buying a broadcast station to get your message out. The sin is lying about bias.

But worse than lying about their bias, the mainstream media decides what is news and what is not. Dan Rather refused to even mention Gary Condit and his missing paramour congressional aide, Chandra Levy and then the mainstream media pretended that Gary Condit was somehow a “conservative.” When the mainstream media covers a scandal, if the crook is a Democrat that fact is almost always omitted. Even more surreal, organizations like CNN have even taken their own stories, which inadvertently mentioned that a malfeasant politician was a Democrat, and edited out the “Democrat” in later versions of the news story. When the malodorous Rod Blagojevich was exposed, New York Times reporters, who wrote nine paragraph stories on the scandal, seemed to forget his party affiliation. Omitting or even re-editing stories to delete crucial facts is the second greatest sin of the mainstream media.

Michelle Malkin deeply unimpressed, with links. Add Hugh Hewitt to that number:

No speech so deeply dishonest in its omissions or so rhetorically misleading its its assumptions and arguments can do anything other than communicate extraordinary weakness on the part of the United States. It will indeed be a famous speech, for all the wrong reasons.

Ugh. E.J. Dionne:

A media environment that tilts to the right is obscuring what President Obama stands for and closing off political options that should be part of the public discussion.

Yes, you read that correctly: If you doubt that there is a conservative inclination in the media, consider which arguments you hear regularly and which you don’t. When Rush Limbaugh sneezes or Newt Gingrich tweets, their views ricochet from the Internet to cable television and into the traditional media. It is remarkable how successful they are in setting what passes for the news agenda.

The power of the Limbaugh-Gingrich axis means that Obama is regularly cast as somewhere on the far left end of a truncated political spectrum. He’s the guy who nominates a “racist” to the Supreme Court (though Gingrich retreated from the word yesterday), wants to weaken America’s defenses against terrorism and is proposing a massive government takeover of the private economy. Steve Forbes, writing for his magazine, recently went so far as to compare Obama’s economic policies to those of Juan Peron’s Argentina.

What a wacko. The reason that Rush and Newt’s statements get coverage in the media, E.J., is because the MSM want to hold them up as examples of terrible right-wing rhetoric. Meanwhile, Newsweek has become the official magazine of Obama sycophancy. You think that Obama’s being unfairly characterized and criticized? Really?

Posted by Dan Collins @ 7:43am
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Comments (318)

  1. Oh, and Obama was “saddened” by the murder of Pvt. Long, but “outraged” by the murder of Dr. Tiller.

    Well, yeah. Obama’s “saddened” there were survivors of the attack in Arkansas.

  2. On Iran, Obama reaffirmed longstanding U.S. policy, saying any country, including Iran, “should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.”

    Any country, except the US, apparently.

    I suppose this is a wonderful example of how talking can bring about change. We’ll just all talk like Iran is perusing Nuke power.

  3. “Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein…”

    Nuiance!

  4. Saddened, heard that many times before.

    In a speech to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees on March 17, 2003, Tom Daschle said, “I’m saddened, saddened that this president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we’re now forced to war,” adding, “Saddened that we have to give up one life because this president couldn’t create the kind of diplomatic effort that was so critical for our country.””

    Sounds a little like the Obama speech above doesn’t it.

  5. What Obama should have said about Pvt. Long’s murder was that he was embarassed a fellow Muslim would do something like that…

    Nuiance!

  6. This makes me sick.

  7. The strawman of “No one country should decide who has nuclear weapons.” is a very nice touch to this speech. It is almost as if he has never studied history at all and noone is advising him on it. Do you figure he realizes how much bullshit is shoved into that one sentence or does he just shoot from the hip?

  8. No country should decide who gets nuclear weapons? What are you fucking daft! Of course we get to decide, if we can, who gets them.

  9. He shoots from the teleprompter.

  10. He is a lone wolf in going to Yemen and traveling on a fake passport! This is already not going well.

    ABC News has reported that Muhammad had traveled to Yemen after his conversion, though the date of that travel and its duration were not provided in those reports. ABC also reported that while in Yemen, Muhammad was apparently arrested for carrying a fraudulent Somali passport and that upon his return from Yemen, the FBI opened a preliminary investigation targeting him.

    The fact that the FBI was investigating Muhammad but was unable to stop this attack illustrates the difficulties that lone wolf militants present to law enforcement and security personnel, and also highlights some of the vulnerabilities associated with using law enforcement as the primary counterterrorism tool.

  11. Joe I agree with your sentiment but no “one” country does that now. There are 189 countries that do.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

  12. So. Who’s going to work on an update to Moore’s “Roger & Me”, trying to arrange a private talk with Obama and editing it creatively, etc?

  13. I believe that having all these things going on, TARP, auto companies, stimulus, Obama traveling everywhere giving speeches, healthcare takeover, dozens of government power grabs coursing through congress and the White House, to make it impossible to gather the force to successfully oppose even one of them. Everyday a new outrage to the freedom a safety of Americans. The older ones just continue but are pushed aside in the public memory by the latest version.

    It may work, distracting everyone, everyday, or it may drive the majority to realize that all these things are bad. Even the ones they haven’t paid attention to because they did not see a personal stake at risk or they missed the 15 seconds devoted to coverage before the new one took center stage.

  14. I wonder if he’d sing the same song if the North Koreans had a missile that could reach Washington DC?

    I’m pretty sure a swat team would take out an armed madman running around my neighbor making threats, and I’m pretty sure the Secret Service would do the same to one threatening Obama. Is consistency too much to ask for?

  15. I wonder if he’d sing the same song if the North Koreans had a missile that could reach Washington DC?

    Why would he care? There’d be plenty of time to get him and his family clear.

  16. The wheels on the bus go round-and-round…

  17. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice

    A mother-beautiful bananna split of a speech, complete with steaming hot erm… cherry on top.

  18. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice

    We had no choice except to invade Afghanistan? It was compulsory, mandatory, impossible to avoid? What on earth does that mean?

  19. bananna split

    Yeah? Well it sure doesn’t smell like Chocolate Sauce.

  20. Can the sheer power of will overcome economic realities? Have had a real loss of jobs since January, Obama claims his efforts have created jobs. With the Labor Department likely to report a 9% jobless rate this week, and 10% looming in the near future, can Obama’s saccharin speeches and supporter polemics distract from facts to raise fallacy to status of fact? Just how large will the fall be, when it comes?

  21. “STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts. At this point, it is unclear to us if that guidance was given by the White House or the Department of Justice, or if it was promulgated by the agencies themselves, anticipating the wishes of President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.”

    Back off? Why would anyone care to do such a thing?

  22. At least regarding the muslim converts who happen to be black, who travel abroad to enhance Jihadi-readiness.

  23. It is in the best interests of all charismatic sociopaths to convince all others that talk is the one and only solution to all problems. Because they see themselves as the best at talking others into agreeing with them, and because they wish to be the first in any unresolvable situation to jump immediately from smooth soothing talk to vicious overwhelming force without warning. Sudden, vicious surprise attacks, when they aren’t getting their way, are a trademark behavior.

  24. geoffb #13 Don’t forget the Waxman Malarky, Cap’n’Trade and the CO2 is pollution power grabs. I reckon these and health care are the biguns.

    And I’m sure that after her brief sojourn out of the limelight, Nancy with the Frozen Face will be back to haunt your dreams.

  25. It would have been nice if Obama pointed out the hypocrisy of the Arab regimes, but Arabs generally don’t do well with criticism.

    A lot like leftists that way.

  26. It’s such a waste. All of it.

  27. I have a few problems with Obama’s speech

    Of course you do.

    EIT, which he terms torture

    Well, him and everyone else.

    I would argue that it was an expression of American values to try to prevent in any way possible a recurrence of 3000 deaths and smouldering ruins in Manhattan.

    By sacrificing 4000+ lives in Iraq.

    Chrysler dealership fiasco

    Oh yeah, hows the Dealergate investigation going? Any hot new data and analysis to provide?

  28. “IT WAS ISLAM… that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.” Obama in Cairo

    The follow up: So what the fuck happened? Cairo makes Newark seem down right enlightened.

  29. If only we’d used diplomacy properly, maybe we could have gotten a UN Security Council resolution authorizing regime change in Iraq passed unanimously. Like UN Sec Res 1441. Maybe.

    It’s damned convenient when you can overwrite those inconvenient truths.

  30. Well, him and everyone else.

    Well, no. Not even his justice department does.

  31. Isn’t Egypt a funny place to be telling people how awful enhanced interrogation is?

  32. By sacrificing 4000+ lives in Iraq.

    well, it took quite a bit longer and they volunteered for the job.

  33. I’d be a bit wary of taking anything STRATFOR says at face value. Just sayin’.

  34. Comment by Pablo on 6/4 @ 9:02 am #

    Isn’t Egypt a funny place to be telling people how awful enhanced interrogation is?

    The Egyptians are just happy to pick up Obama’s outsourcing business now.

  35. Do you figure he realizes how much bullshit is shoved into that one sentence or does he just shoot from the hip?

    The whole speech is like that. They all are.

    In the continuing absence of any evidence to the contrary, I’m sticking with my first impression: He doesn’t know anything. He repeats things without processing them, mashes together undigested bits of “elite consensus,” and occasionally makes shit up (or repeats made-up shit) without checking it for holes first.

    Works, enough.

    If he knew how it works, he’d be evil. He doesn’t, or he wouldn’t get so creepily enraged when it doesn’t quite work (says Freud). He’s not the problem.

    It’s important to continue to rehearse all of this, as bootless as this may seem, because what we are doing is continuing to build a dossier of media malfeasance in real time.

    If you build it…you can stand in it and wait.

  36. At least it’s a pretext for your comments, then, psycho.

  37. In the continuing absence of any evidence to the contrary, I’m sticking with my first impression: He doesn’t know anything. He repeats things without processing them, mashes together undigested bits of “elite consensus,” and occasionally makes shit up (or repeats made-up shit) without checking it for holes first.

    OH OH, I totally understand every bit of this “pyscho- ism” – and heartily agree.

  38. ‘If you build it…you can stand in it and wait.’

    Heh. Beautiful.

  39. When Obama said “The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals.” he wasn’t speaking about himself at all, he wasn’t and isn’t a part of the “us” he uses here. I haven’t seen any evidence, ever, that Obama himself was fearful or angry. Stress on the angry, since their may not have been much reason for him to be personally fearful.

    He stands above or beside it all. He just isn’t involved.

  40. there

  41. O and I would just like to reaffirm that Obama is piece of dipshit Marxist trash what says more kind words about Islam then he’ll ever say about his own country. The first anti-American American president.

  42. LTC John: I’d be a bit wary of taking anything STRATFOR says at face value. Just sayin’.

    Right, thanks. They are one of the perennial sources for items “too good to check”.

  43. What O will never say: ‘The Saudis were a bunch of pig ignorant Bedouins until American engineers came here and pumped this black shit from the ground.’

  44. What I’m getting at is I think I need an infusion of Cheney, stat.

  45. Dash Rendar: LOL at work, thanks a diaperload!

  46. “The Saudis were a bunch of pig ignorant Bedouins until American engineers came here and pumped this black shit from the ground.”

    And when it is all gone, the Saudis will remain a bunch of pig ignorant Bedouins.

  47. tap tap…is this on? my favorite part…saying people have a tendency to say what others want to hear when speaking in public.

  48. Because there’s no truth to it, huh?

  49. Could you imagine the outcry if Obama said he was going to “fight against negative stereotypes of Christianity, wherever they appear”. The cries of “church and state” from the mouthbreathers would be unbearable. Plus, where the hell in the Constitution does it say the president’s job is to “fight against negative stereotypes”. Teleprompter Allah is beyond parody.

  50. because it’s not popular.

  51. Obama is the “Top 40 Radio” of politics. The hits they keep on coming, constant rotation, but all the melodies and words seem the same in the end.

  52. people have a tendency

    Obama has a tendency to say I’m going to be honest with you and immediately proceed to lie to your face.

  53. Andrew Sullivan directs this to those “other” Jews (the ones who did not drink the Obama koolaid):

    An African-American President with Muslim roots stands before the Muslim world and defends the right of Jews to a nation of their own in their ancestral homeland, and then denounces in vociferous terms the evil of Holocaust denial, and right-wing Israelis go forth and complain that the President is unsympathetic to the housing needs of settlers. Incredible, just incredible.

    How ungratful those Jews can be. How dare they question the one!

  54. Clinton had a similar line, “Let me make one thing perfectly clear”. IIRC.

  55. “fight against negative stereotypes of Christianity, wherever they appear”. Good point.

  56. Loved the speech. This guy pwns.

    And maggie:

    Well, him and everyone else.

    Well, no. Not even his justice department does.

    But you know it was torture, right?

  57. Sammy you’re a fucking retard. A lil water on the face vs beheading and the torture that goes on in Egyptian prisons as we speak. FOAD.

  58. Sammy, that is all this idiot does is give speeches. When he actually “does” shit, or tries to actually do the crap he says he wants to do in speeches, he fucks it up. Reference Gitmo closing, nationalizing GM and Chrysler, his stimulus package written by Pelosi he didn’t allow anyone to read before signing, 10 trillion dollars of debt in his budget forcasts, numerous “speeches” on getting out of Iraq yet his plans have us there till the end of his first term. Whatever you do not care what he “does” so long as you can masterbate in front of the TV when he is on.

  59. On the making shit up front, Obama claims there are 7 million muslims in the US. No one knows with any certitude how many muslims live here. The most likely numbers however, are much lower. The CIA uses numbers of American muslim citizens on the order of 2.35 million.

  60. If he knew how it works, he’d be evil. He doesn’t, or he wouldn’t get so creepily enraged when it doesn’t quite work (says Freud). He’s not the problem.

    Oh, I think he knows exactly how it works.

    He gets angry when it doesn’t ‘cuz of the clinical narcissism.

  61. But you know it was torture, right?

    no. it wasn’t.

  62. I disagree vehemently with Bruce Walker’s piece. The press IS NOT supposed to be bias- the press is given significant privileged, above and beyond that of an ordinary citizens, so they can report the truth. The 4th estate was developed to be a check on government, not a partisan organization. Without an unbiased entity, outside of government, to report the truth, rather than one side or the other, government can do as it pleases.

    Also, I disagree the ordinary guy or gal who doesn’t pay much attention to politics or the internet or whatever doesn’t understand the sheer extent of the bias in the press these days. For example, how the fuck is the NY Times the “Paper of Record”- what a load of crap. But does the ordinary person know the NY Times bias or even the bias of his/her local paper (for example, Tampa’s papers are both very left leaning, one moreso than the other- we got a @#!#!ing oped from Michael Moore today in one of them for god’s sake).

    We are FUBAR until the old school press collapses in on itself. Its why I cheer when I see paper’s taking a bath and going under- maybe if they reported the news instead of cheerleading for one side, they’d sell more papers.

  63. Sammy, why don’t you point one part of the speech where he “pwned.

  64. Why argue with Sammy? He’s not going to listen to anything contrary to his bigotries and the Received Wisdom of the Leftist classes.

  65. Sammy you’re a fucking retard. A lil water on the face vs beheading and the torture that goes on in Egyptian prisons as we speak. FOAD.

    But you do know we tortured people, right?

  66. When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean. When innocents in Bosnia and Darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience.

    That shit’s not on my conscience.

  67. That shit’s not on my conscience.

    RACIST!

  68. But you know it was torture, right?

    no. it wasn’t.

    What would it take to convince you?

  69. It’s odd Carin, I don’t find the word Bosnia in Obama’s speech. Darfur isn’t in there either.

  70. I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no basis and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq’s sovereignty is its own. And that’s why I ordered the removal of our combat brigades by next August. That is why we will honor our agreement with Iraq’s democratically-elected government to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by July and to remove all of our troops from Iraq by 2012.

    “I” yada yada yada. As if he alone is saving Iraq from the evil Americans who want to take their shit.

  71. But you do know we tortured people, right?

    Sammy, what you do in your free time is your business.

  72. his last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they’re out of power. Once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others.

    cough, joke, sputter.

  73. Hey Sammy why don’t you and your ilk ever lift a finger in defense of American what are actually tortured via beheading or otherwise? Because you’re scum and you can’t use it as a political bludgeon. Or how bout that Serbian prison where Muslims were dismembered and subjected to the Medievalesque torture?

    No we didn’t torture, you will be decimated on the merits legally and intellectually. Cheney kicked Obama’s ass on the matter last week.

  74. So no matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who would hold power. You must maintain your power through consent, not coercion. You must respect the rights of minorities and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise. You must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party.
    Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.

    gasp! [head explodes]

  75. Matt, grow up.

    There’s nothing in the Constitution that actually creates a “4th Estate” — that phrase (AFAICR) comes from the French Revolution. The 1st Amendment says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    That’s it. The press is co-equal to the individual, and there are no expectations of fairness or lack of bias. Why?

    Because the press is merely a collection of individuals! As Walker pointed out, newspapers were openly partisan, to the point of putting their party affiliation in the names of their papers. You could pick up a newspaper, see their affiliation at the top of the page, and salt the information appropriately.

  76. No we didn’t torture, you will be decimated on the merits legally and intellectually.

    What would it take to convince you?

  77. In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education. And this is important because no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work.

    In OUR times? forefront?

  78. “You must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party”

    WTF!!!!!! He is trying to ram thru socialized healthcare irrespective of our political process wtf is this guy smoking. He didn’t even allow our representatives of both parties to read his own trillion dollar stimulus bill before they signed it. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students are internships in America, invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world and create a new, online network so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo.

    Ok, ‘bama. You go first. Send one of your daughters to the Middle east.

  80. Hey Sammy was that British tourist in Mali tortured?

  81. The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God’s vision. Now that must be our work here on Earth.

    I thought libs didn’t like it when the leader of the free world got all religious?

    Those days are, apparently, over.

  82. And, thus ends my fisking.

  83. What would it take to convince you?

    probably it would need to be something that more reporters than terrorists haven’t gone through to decide if it’s torture or not. for starters.

  84. I thought libs didn’t like it when the leader of the free world got all religious?

    They know that when Obama says “God” he means the State.

  85. I thought the speech contained some informative pablum.

    In that, apparently, everyone should go out today and make a conscious effort to view a Jew in his/her natural habitat, because in a year or so they’ll be fucking gone.

  86. Tortured and murdered. Yes.

    Back to my question. What would it take to convince you that we tortured people?

  87. Why are you folks arguing with Sammy?

  88. What would it take to convince you?

    Sammy, you can convince me it’s torture when I can’t envision anything we did being done on a reality show for cash and prizes.

    “Johnny, would you allow yourself to be water boarded for one minute for $100,000?”

    “why yes Alex, yes I would!”

    “Bring out the board Julie!”

  89. probably it would need to be something that more reporters than terrorists haven’t gone through to decide if it’s torture or not. for starters.

    Seriously, what would convince you?

  90. Seriously — what has Sammy ever done that makes it appear he’s not just an automaton loaded with talking points?

  91. No Sammy maybe you just haven’t heard of SERE training or the concept of intent.

    Waterboarding = Torture. No.

    Power drill through the knee = Torture. Yes. (See Islamists)

    O, and fuck you.

  92. Though we’re forced to distinguish between so called Muslim countries as a whole and Arab nations since Obama chose to speak mostly about the former rather than the latter, we can nevertheless commend to those Arab nations the UN Arab Human Development Report of 2002 (pdf) as a jumping off point to learn the truths about their countries that Obama had no desire to tell.

  93. That’s it. hop to it!

  94. Anything that can be done in a parking lot full of lefties to demonstrate teh evil of teh Booosh isn’t torture. More lefties have been waterboarded than terrorists. A damn shame. Or is it?

  95. *Matt, grow up. *

    Oh ok. That’s pretty insulting and unnecessary. But I’ll just “grow up” and accept it and the press will continue to report bullshit leftist propaganda. We should all just grow up and accept the press are all just “individuals” and “ordinary citizens” and they don’t influence the everyday life of americans. Talk about somebody who should grow up.

    And the press don’t get special privileges? Really? Press pass. Legal protection against liable and slander. Free speech protection above and beyond an ordinary citizen. Are you really dense enough to think an ordinary citizen can have the same level of access to government that a CBS reporter has. And why does he have it – because he’s supposed to be a newsperson, reporting the truth.

    I’m not sure why you don’t get this. The reason they are given privileges above and beyond an ordinary citizen is because they are supposed to be unbiased. Did you used to be a media guy and you find it insulting when I tell you how biased, disgusting and reprehensible the press is ?

  96. I’m with lee, to hell with waterboarding. Just put ‘em on a Japanese game show.

  97. In fact, I guess International ANSWER has waterboarded more people than the CIA. INVESTIGATION!

  98. The problem isn’t that there are liberals in the media. It is that the media is OVERWHELMINGLY liberal. Add to that their socialists leanings, and viola.

    They may be keeping the truth from us, but they are doing it for our own good.

    Matt is right, though, that democracy depends on a media to expose corruption in government. I honestly fear for us right now. the media will be largely to blame for what happens.

  99. It’s a stupid question, Sammy, that has been discussed here before. Go read the archives. Or, let me give you the reader’s digest answer.

    You’re wrong. We tortured no one. We made ‘em a tad uncomfortable. They certainly deserved more than they got. The. End.

  100. sorry, Rob, my job is not so exciting and they tell me I do it too fast.

  101. I agree Carin. How can you even have opposition parties if the people that vote in your democracy are overwhelmingly bombarded with spin, propaganda, and the talking points of the majority party.

  102. “What would it take to convince you that we tortured people?”

    Uh…an IQ under 85?

    On the bright side, that means you can convince Joe Biden.

    Gotta look for that sliver lining sammy.

  103. I heard some Republican congress critter on FOX this morning saying they were going to get together a congressional commission to combat media bias.

    I thought the idea noble, though he probably would get farther throwing a grand piano.

  104. And the press don’t get special privileges? Really?

    No, they don’t. Really.

    Press pass.

    Not government issued. Either an employee ID or a pass issued by the organization running the event. During the national conventions last year, numerous unaffiliated bloggers received press passes.

    Legal protection against liable and slander.

    Not any different for the press than for individuals.

    Free speech protection above and beyond an ordinary citizen.

    Does not exist.

    Are you really dense enough to think an ordinary citizen can have the same level of access to government that a CBS reporter has. And why does he have it – because he’s supposed to be a newsperson, reporting the truth.

    There’s nothing in the law that gives a reporter more access than an ordinary citizen. Reporters do not get access to the government because they’re supposed to be reporting the truth, they get access in exchange for reporting the story the way the politician wants. They get access, in other words, for lying as often as they get it for telling the truth.

    I’m not sure why you don’t get this. The reason they are given privileges above and beyond an ordinary citizen is because they are supposed to be unbiased. Did you used to be a media guy and you find it insulting when I tell you how biased, disgusting and reprehensible the press is ?

    *snort*

    You might want to hang around for a while before you start slinging that kind of shit. You won’t find anyone around here more disgusted — more outspokenly, vehemently disgusted — with the state of the modern press than myself. Ask the commenter named “mcgruder”. Or just read this.

    As disgusted as I am by the press, I’m not so stupid as to create a fantasy of the press having ever been unbiased, or to create fake legal protections for the press. The only real legal protection I’m aware of are “shield laws” that allow reporters to hide their sources. Those vary from state to state; they’re not part of the Constitution. They also have no bearing on what’s expected of the press.

    So, yeah, I’m gonna stand by my injunction that you grow up.

  105. I heard some Republican congress critter on FOX this morning saying they were going to get together a congressional commission to combat media bias.

    Say goodbye to Fox News and talk radio!

    (Seriously, how stupid do you have to be? Does he think a Democrat-controlled Congress isn’t going to turn that kind of hearing into a chance to silence their critics?)

  106. Islam gave us cherished music? uh, don’t most of the fundies kinda frown on that.

  107. Islam gave us cherished music? uh, don’t most of the fundies kinda frown on that.

    The screams of the guy who is having his head sawed off with a dull knife, with the chanting of Allah achbar in the background…music to their ears.

  108. OT, but did you guys see Obama has hired yet annother Czar?

    resident Obama has named Cameron Davis, president of a Chicago environmentalist group, to oversee the administration’s initiative to clean up the Great Lakes.

  109. Ah well, Cairo’s done and it’s on to the moral equivalence of Buchenwald and Dresden. Cheering throngs!

  110. now, there were a few entertaining operas inspired by Islamic culture. Abduction from the Seraglio, Italian Girl in Algiers…

  111. Motherfucker! That’s all I could think to mumble as I saw our Pres. Half-a-Honky speak his words so fine. Tears streamed down my weather beaten cheeks like a blubbering hound dog.

    That Man tamed the savages with slick tongue and gallant humility. He blew the Goddmanned lid off the tomb! Mighty rivers converged into the valley as one and my wet cheeks were a souvenir of the grande moment.

    They shouted “I love you” at that lanky President of ours, and the pendulum swung from their wanting to gnaw on our skulls to the omnipresence of a great big mighty man-hug.

    Next stop is the mother country of Moliere. I wonder what Michelle’s gonna wear to top the ooh-la-la of the Azzedeine Alaia dress she previously charmed the Parisian house of couture with. The Savannah woman pulls her intelligent elegance tighter than straight London gin. Burns like a unkind fire she does.

    Back to killing mankind.

  112. I just came across a factoid I never knew. Remember when Obama said there were 57 states, confusing and bemusing us?

    Well, perhaps he had this in mind.

    The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organisation with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkans, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America

    I’m thinking the Muslim world may not have been confused, although perhaps they were as bemused as us.

  113. w.
    t.
    f.

    CHICAGO (AP) – Muslim cabbies who gathered at a 24-hour Chicago cafe moments after daybreak Thursday to watch President Barack Obama’s address from Egypt described his words as an important first step…*

    I think Drudge has that linked is where I found it. Barack Obama’s Associated Press takes dicksucking where dicksucking has never gone before. This one is Sophia Tareen what is slurping and slavering.

    It’s gross.

  114. LTC JDAM, did a little searching, found out some interesting info on you.

    You’re welcome to comment here when you begin using your gmail address.

    lee, that’s an absurd stretch. Everyone knows that he had in mind Heinz’s 57 Varieties.

  115. From Happy’s link:

    A single speech is not going to make things better, it takes time,” said Syed Mehdi, a manager at the Flaming Wok’n Grill on the city’s north side, where a handful of taxi drivers gathered over chai to watch the speech broadcast live from Cairo University. “He’s trying to build bridges. He’s trying to be the cure to the damage and wounds that happened after 9-11.”

    Kinda like blaming the victim there, huh?

    There was little criticism for his speech, though some U.S. Muslims said the president didn’t offer enough specifics on his plan for Mideast peace and he fell short on addressing Muslims’ everyday concerns.

    Noticed that, did he … ha.

  116. At the same time, we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students are internships in America, invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world and create a new, online network so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo.

    Meanwhile, back here in the good old USA…

    a county government employee knocked on their door on Good Friday, asking a litany of questions about their Tuesday night Bible studies, which are attended by approximately 15 people.

    “Do you have a regular weekly meeting in your home? Do you sing? Do you say ‘amen’?” the official reportedly asked. “Do you say, ‘Praise the Lord’?”

    The pastor’s wife answered yes.

    She says she was then told, however, that she must stop holding “religious assemblies” until she and her husband obtain a Major Use Permit from the county, a permit that often involves traffic and environmental studies, compliance with parking and sidewalk regulations and costs that top tens of thousands of dollars.

  117. Rush had a pretty good takedown of the President’s Cairo speech today:

    “IT WAS ISLAM… that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.”

    Obama in Cairo.

    That statement by President Obama is not correct and could better be described as pandering. Now let me say this, the West did obtain many lost Western classics from Islamic libraries and scholars. Islamic scholars did make contributions. But Islam did not invent albebra, or the compass, or disease theory, or printing. And while I enjoy the architecture of old Arab Cairo as much as the next buyer of carpets, gold and hammered brass goods does, Islam did not invent the arch. But it gets worse…

    Where the President really messed up was speaking of the Holocaust (which is good he refuted Arab Holocaust deniers) but then linking the Holocaust to the current plight of Palestinians. I am sorry, but these events are not comparable. Not in the least. While the Palestinian plight is terrible, it is mostly self inflicted and neighboring Arab countries have far more to answer for it than Israeli Jews do.

  118. “The screams of the guy who is having his head sawed off with a dull knife, with the chanting of Allah achbar in the background”…

    Enigma was gonna use the above muslim sample but decided to go with Catholic Gregorian Chant instead.

    Smart move.

    “CHICAGO (AP) – Muslim cabbies who gathered at a 24-hour Chicago cafe moments after daybreak Thursday to watch President Barack Obama’s address from Egypt described his words as an important first step…

    …then they blew up the cafe.

    Fine, fine. Denounced.

  119. I just don’t know what to say about this:

    The site featured photographs of the actor, a fictional obituary, emotional notes from fellow characters, a forum for fans and a Facebook link. Recently the memorial site has been taken down and attempts to access it will take you to the main House site, where oddly there is still a bio page for Penn.

    The exit of Penn’s character, or rather the reaction to it, is, according to the White House, why the pause button has been hit on Penn taking up his new position.
    “The suicide of his character on House was quite shocking,” Inouye says, “so everyone thought there should be a bit of timely delay before he takes up work for the administration

    Did I read that right? The suicide of the CHARACTER Penn played on tv was “shocking” so he can’t work at the White House until people work through their pain, or something. The White house either thinks, or knows, that voters are really fucking stupid.

  120. I think that they’re more concerned about the effect it would have on White House morale to be working with a person of suicide.

  121. FIFY:

    They know that when Obama says “God” he means the Statehimself.

    Come to think of it, “L’etat, c’est moi!” applies in spades (I denounce myself), so they’re interchangeable.

  122. E.J. has been a tongue-tied moron for decades Dan. He can’t help it now if he ever could.

  123. “Islam gave us cherished music?”

    Not exactly, from a link posted a week or so ago on another thread.

  124. The E.J. piece is too stupid to even comment on. ‘splode head syndrome kind of stuff.

  125. Also his “we” often means “thee” and not “he”.

  126. What would it take to convince you that we tortured people?

    Sammy leaving and never coming back.

  127. “Islam gave us cherished music?”

    Cat Stevens? No, Islam caused him to stop recording, until recently.

  128. I put forth that Sammy’s comments in this post are a form of torture.

  129. “Johnny, would you endure an entire thread of ‘Sammy’ for $1,000,000?”

    “No, Alex, that would be too painful to bear!”

    Yup, the analogy still holds…

  130. The strawman of “No one country should decide who has nuclear weapons.” is a very nice touch to this speech.

    But he also said something to the effect that the United States was committed to the global elimination of all nuclear arms, which would seem a contradiction to those of us who speak English.

  131. Did anyone notice Cap’n Ed drooling on himself this morning? Hot Air is sort of a tard refugee camp I think.

  132. Like if you were a tard and you didn’t feel safe and warm and accepted and loved you could go to Hot Air and turn it all around.

  133. I saw that this morning.

  134. Also I found where he was blithering about the bald Treasury guy sort of stupid too.

  135. “But he also said something to the effect that the United States was committed to the global elimination of all nuclear arms, which would seem a contradiction to those of us who speak English.”

    nope, not if the decision to eliminate is reached by more than one country.

  136. Like I said…

  137. they aint mutually exclusive

  138. He gets all overheated and sweaty and goes on this tear:

    But why? In a precursor to the Obama administration’s own power grab, the Bush administration wanted to use the private sector to impose its own policies and pick its own winners. The Obama administration has merely picked up the tool left by Paulson.*

    Cap’n doesn’t substantiate that at all to where you think maybe he’s having another episode like that time with the bad tuna he got from the bagel shop. As I remember that time what was going on was that for these banks to raise capital they had to either go to the Chinese or to Saudi Arabian harlots and beg and beg and the terms were not super great what they were getting. I have no idea what agenda Cap’n Ed thinks the bald guy may have had other than safeguarding that sector cause he doesn’t say.

  139. Sandmonkey attended the speech and gives us his take on it. Plus bonus photos of Code Pink protest just outside the University.

  140. We had to go there at 10:30, but the speech wasn’t going to start till 1 pm

    Ouch.

  141. It’s a stupid question, Sammy, that has been discussed here before.

    When the same EITs get used on our troops, it’s torture. I’m sure you’ll find a great rationalization to claim torture when it’s done to us, but not when it’s done by us.

  142. Chickenquisitor.

  143. ‘Feets — Ed’s essentially correct that the TARP money was, um, rather forcefully fed to the banks. He leaves out that it was sold as another case of a program that had been done before — the government buying the bad debts at a discount, with the banks still taking a loss but not nearly as big a loss as if assets were never sold.

    But that’s not what happened. AFAICR none of the TARP money has gone to buy bad debts, but instead has been used to buy the government’s way into ordering the banks around, and then, through them, manipulating the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies.

    TARP was a bad idea. TARP as it was written into law was a horrific idea. TARP as it’s being used is a horrific idea wrapped in a brown shirt, wearing jackboots and sporting an odd mustache.

  144. Sammy you’re a fucking retard, still. We then should prosecute drill sergeants? No, of course not, b/c neither case is torture.

  145. could you save us some time Sammy and just link to the talking points? I think I know what you’re alluding too, and it’s been debunked here already.

  146. Hey Sam you fucking cocksucker, check out real torture.

  147. Sorry, content warning. Stolen from ace at 146.

  148. It’s a stupid question, Sammy, that has been discussed here before.

    When the same EITs get used on our troops, it’s torture. I’m sure you’ll find a great rationalization to claim torture when it’s done to us, but not when it’s done by us.

    Still being stupid, aren’t you? They don’t use EIT on American solders. NYT article on what the enemy does.

    Maj. Gen. Abdul Azziz Mohammed Jassim, the chief of operations of the Ministry of Defense, said that he had seen an official report and that he could confirm the two Americans had been “killed in a very brutal way and tortured.”

    “There were traces of torture on their bodies, very clear traces,” General Jassim said. “It was a brutal torture. The torture was something unnatural.”

    Sorry, I’ll take American-style EIT over that.

  149. It’s very hard to be civil with these clowns about. They’ve unconsciously adopted the most vile anti-American sentiments based on blood libels. Protocols of the Elders for our time this torture bit has become.

  150. oh. Rob it was specifically the use the private sector to impose its own policies and pick its own winners that I don’t think Cap’n or the report he looked at substantiated. I think letting a bunch of Saudi whores and Chinese buy up huge swathes of the financial sector was adjudged to be politically untenable. Jeez. You saw how they had to sedate and restrain that poor Michelle Malkin when that one company from Dubai wanted to manage a few ports.

  151. Two radical Arab terrorists boarded a flight out of London One took a
    window seatand the other sat next to him in the middle seat.
    Just before takeoff, a U.S. Marine sat down in the aisle seat.. After
    takeoff,
    the Marine kicked his shoes off, wiggled his toes and was settling in when
    the Arab in thewindow seatsaid, ‘I need to get up and get aCoke.’

    ‘Don’t get up,’ said the Marine, ‘I’m in the aisle seat, I’ll get it for
    you.’

    As soon as he left, one of theArabspicked up the Marine’s shoe and spat
    in it. When the Marine returned with the Coke, the other Arab said,
    ‘That looks good, I’d really like one, too.’

    Again, the Marine obligingly went to fetch it. While he was gone, the
    other Arab picked up the Marine’s other shoe and spat in it. When the
    Marine returned, they all sat back and enjoyed the flight.

    As the plane was landing, the Marine slipped his feet into his shoes and
    knew immediately what had happened. He leaned over and asked his Arab
    neighbors…
    ‘Why does it have to be this way?
    How long must this go on?
    This fighting between our nations?
    This hatred?
    This animosity?
    This spitting in shoes and pissing in Cokes?’

    THE FEW…… THE PROUD….. THE MARINES

  152. I have no idea who started screwing up TARP so bad, ‘feets. I’m willing to put a big chunk of the blame on Bush for not resisting the bill as it was written, but I thought Ed’s article was pointless. This was not news; we’d heard all this before.

  153. Just saying, when an American is made to stand for 40 hours, or waterboarded a hundred or so times, please don’t fucking cry foul, because in your fucked up world, that’s just normal questioning tactics.

    Me, on the other hand, will get to be outraged and intellectually honest.

  154. Yes. I’m not a TARP fan, but it didn’t have to be even half as gay as it turned out if they had just said what they were going to do and then done like how normal professional people go about doing things.

  155. oh. done *it* like how…

  156. oh, okay. when that happens you let us know.

  157. O that reminds me I have an interesting Vignette I think. So a relative of mine works as an accountant for Ernest and Young and her company was contracted to work on the TARP by treasury. So in addition to telling me the average government peon has no basically no economic or fiscal wherwhithal (surprise) she also tells me that they had a big conference meeting regarding the state of economy said we had *at minimum* 2 years before we even begin to see recovery. She went on about how foreigners are controlling larger and larger stakes in the fiscal policy vis a vis AIG as a laundering operation to European banks but especially the Chinese demand certain behaviors. She didn’t want to elaborate much more but said she left the meeting feeling nauseous.

  158. Jen Rubin at Commentary linked to this comment:

    So far Mr. Obama has used his personally exciting presidency for initiatives that are spending public money on a scale not seen since ancient Egypt.

    Hmmm, who will be the slaves to implement the Boy King’s mighty plan?

  159. “when an American is made to stand for 40 hours, or waterboarded a hundred or so times”

    Sammy, what enemy has the US faced in our history that never tortured our POW’s? Japanese? Nazis? North Koreans? Viet Cong? Islamists? Yea when what our enemies do to our captured soldiers is as benign as when as standing for 40 hours, or waterboarded a hundred or so times (yea that’s a bogus lefty talking point as well), call me.

  160. Oh, I meant “Boy King” as a reference to Tutankhamun, not as a racist slur. I of course denounce myself.

  161. And when those societies stop trading around internet snuff videos re torturing westerners and start hand-wringing endlessly and demanding investigations, come back and talk.

  162. Just saying, when an American is made to stand for 40 hours, or waterboarded a hundred or so times, please don’t fucking cry foul, because in your fucked up world, that’s just normal questioning tactics.

    Me, on the other hand, will get to be outraged and intellectually honest.

    Intellectual honesty isn’t exsactly your strong suit.

  163. My girlfriend and myself dropped through the tiers of poverty starting in early 2008. It started out as the sort’a poverty we knew as grad students studying French Literature and Marxist language theory. Now we find ourselves in that typical Southern state of poverty where you have nightmares of three month’s rent unpaid. We eat a simple and we buy the cheapest condoms we can find.

    My girl, she looks at me and says “what did you think of Obama speaking in Cairo.”

    “If Super Walmart stocked its shelves with nothing but Love unconditioned and poems of Comte de Lautréamont and dishes that made the sound of John Coltrane when you dropped ‘em, that’s where I’d buy my Dickensian privation. I desire to bathe his black feet in warm kisses. Obama is keeper of the cloistered Kingdom known as me.”

    She made mad love to me as if I was the last King on earth with a gilded sword of capitalist’s gold.

  164. Me, I’ll be all, “thank goodness! for once we got them back alive and with all their appendages intact.”

  165. We had to go there at 10:30, but the speech wasn’t going to start till 1 pm

    Ouch. Torture.

    This is why we lose, people.

  166. Wait, how much is 2 1/2 hours in Egyptian time?

  167. Did Obama actually start on time, guinsPen? just sayin, it may have been even worse.

  168. Now I realize why Obama spends so little time in the White House.
    He has already spent all of our money and ruined the dollar, so there is not much else for him to do except fly around the world making bullshit speeches no one but him and his zombies believe.

  169. A comment from the WSJ’s text version of The Speech…

    *
    o 12:39 pm June 4, 2009
    o Marion Brown wrote:

    He is the Mahdi.

    There goes breakfast, lunch and dinner.

  170. Obama fuckin’ slayed, and the world undulated.

    Suck it.

  171. “Me, on the other hand, will get to be outraged and intellectually honest.”

    Yes Morel Orel, you GET TO BE “outraged” (snort) & “intellectually honest” (LMFAO).

    You “get to be.”

    You “get to be” because far better men and women than you fight and, when necessary, interrogate jihadi psychopaths in accordance with the law so as to keep your stupid, worthless ass from, say, a lethal bout of anthrax or, maybe reaching one million degrees fahrenheit in under a second.

    And those men and women don’t ask you for a goddamn thing in return.

    You’re a real hero there sammy.

  172. And the Red Horizon.

  173. In quasi-Surrealist terms, Obama’s was an exquisite corpus built upon built-in criticisms.

    Those who contest otherwise, such as young Lamont, may snort long lines of anthrax from my excitable schlong.

  174. Thor, an unwashed ass by any other name still reeks of shit.

  175. “Obama fuckin’ slayed, and the world undulated.”

    Because of all the vomit.

    “Obama’s was an exquisite corpus.”

    Yeah…it was a corpse all right.

    …”such as young Lamont”…

    Young? Aw shucks. Thanks for that. That’s better than getting carded at the liquor store.

    You can keep your, apparently, anthrax diseased penis though.

    I dunno what sammy’s bag is. Ask him. He might be up for it.


  176. Comment by lee on 6/4 @ 2:07 pm #

    Thor, an unwashed ass by any other name still reeks of shit.

    And I offer you mouth as proof.

  177. you = your

  178. create a new, online network so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo.

    Obama’s going to invent MSN Messenger?

  179. Warthog slim?

    I hear Jackrabbit Slim’s has good burgers. And five dollar shakes.

  180. When an American puts together a plan, and sees that it is executed, in which thousands of innocent people are intentionally murdered then I will gladly cheer when that asshole is waterboarded.

  181. BTW – Sammy wouldn’t know what intellectually honest was if it was pissing on him.

  182. And I offer you mouth as proof.

    Well, ostensibly I was speaking to ‘thor’, but damn that had to be embareassing!

    HA!

  183. Waterhouse – That had me scratcvhing my head too. Like you cannot already do that with a phone or the internet. Odd.

  184. Obama: …”create a new, online network so a young person in Kansas can communicate instantly with a young person in Cairo.”

    Yes.

    Yes, because we want booger flicking, ruthlessly judgmental, poorly parented, publicly schooled American kids to be our ambassadors to an even more poorly educated Muslim Middle East collective that freaks out and murders people over even the RUMOR of a perceived slight against their barbarian beliefs.

    What could go wrong?

    Smartest President EVAH!

  185. LYBD,
    I wonder if he picked Kansas ‘cuz of Tiller. He probably figures the young people of Kansas have “common ground” with the people in Cairo, ie. being “outraged” at Christians…

  186. Sammy also has no idea what exactly constitutes “torture” and what does not. Hint, it has to do with knowledge, and like this blog, with intention.

    When I was a child my dentist, like many back then, drilled and filled my teeth without using any anesthetic. Yes it hurt, a lot, but it was not torture, then. Nowadays it would be so considered and punished. Same action, different knowledge and intention.

  187. That was some tongue and cheek metamorphosis of intentionalism into a toothless hobo with bed pan breath, see lee’s ass above for olfactory irony.

  188. Меньший молоток, деиствительно.

    Trust me.

  189. On the other hand, kids being kids, some poor, pissed off jihadi 13 year old slaved to a Yemeni Madrassa (and doomed to blow up something involving Jews and Americans) might get an email from a 10 year old Texan kid loaded with his Dad’s old school Jenna Jameson porn.

    Could save a lota lives.

    I’m gonna have to re-think this “new online network.”

  190. “That was some tongue and cheek metamorphosis of intentionalism into a toothless hobo with bed pan breath, see lee’s ass above for olfactory irony.”

    Slow down skippy.

    Any more “totally bad ass” writing like that and you’re gonna explode your only licensed copy of Microsoft Thesaurus.

    “Intentionalism.”

    You’re a fucking crack up.

  191. That was some tongue and cheek metamorphosis of intentionalism into a toothless hobo with bed pan breath

    otherwise known as a Freudian slim…err, slip. Bwahahaha!

  192. Have you considered that lifting refrigerators in the Texas heat might have long-term brain swell drawbacks, Lamont? You might become a remnant of the heat, a sluggard that too often grins for no good reason.

  193. Sammy also has no idea what exactly constitutes “torture”

    And thor can’t reason. ‘Course, thor refuses to reason, what with all that ego. The three of them should get together.

  194. Your girl looks like Pelosi, thor. Nice.

  195. Oh, and without Colt 45 over there in the Motherland, what’d you use to get her warmed up? You know, something else that works every time.

  196. Who is this dominant male, thor, that you speak of?

    Is he churlish and crass when disemboweling small dogs and crooked-toothed clowns?

  197. Beats me, Slim. All I know is he’s daily making the world safe for the downtrodden.

  198. Probably he has a motorcycle hidden a big car that comes out when the big car breaks.

  199. And a few times he left the thread so silently nobody noticed! Spooky bastard, whoever he is.

  200. As every man of travel and taste would know, Baltika is the Colt 45 of the Motherland, daroog.

    It’s pronounced Ball-Teak-A, try it (intense pun).

  201. Have you considered that lifting refrigerators in the Texas heat might have long-term brain swell drawbacks, Lamont? You might become a remnant of the heat, a sluggard that too often grins for no good reason.

    Sounds more like someone’s rationalization for living off of mommy and daddy’s money. A little sweat (or a good sodomizing by a banjo player in the woods) would do you a world of good thor. At least your writing wouldn’t have the stench of isolation and air conditioner.

  202. Is he churlish and crass when disemboweling small dogs and crooked-toothed clowns?

    Sorry thor, but P.J. O’Rourke you aint.

  203. the stench of isolation and air conditioner.

    thor’s front door is hidden in a twenty foot ocean container. It’s safer.

  204. And I’m certain thor thanks God for that, too.

  205. thor hates God, Slim. One assumes. Probably because of the stigma jacking with his cape.

  206. I think thor is getting his invisible friend mixed up with reality.

    Come to think of it though, that is probably a healthy reaction if you gotta be thor.

  207. Can not some genius emit from the allies of Atheism?

    This thor has a sound influence on your inner Newmans.

    Yes, I speak of Seinfeld.

  208. thor is just upset because neither leggings or Olivia Newton John have come back in style yet. Plus I hear he’s been wondering if all those hours he spends as the head of the Cyndi Lauper fanclub are really paying the dividends he expected they would.

  209. The White house either thinks, or knows, that voters are really fucking stupid.

    They have pretty much proven it. And getting stupider according to recent reports.

  210. Comment by poe me on 6/4 @ 12:35 pm

    they aint mutually exclusive

    Okay poe, explain to me how you decide another country shouldn’t have nuclear weapons without deciding they shouldn’t have nuclear weapons.

    In English, preferably.

  211. “when an American is made to stand for 40 hours, or waterboarded a hundred or so times”

    I’m not reading Sammy any more, thanks to the ‘Hammer, but man, that’s some weapons-grade stupid right there.

    Yo, Sambot: the last enemy the United States had that made even a token adherence to the Geneva Conventions was Nazi Motherfucking Germany.

    Which says rather a lot about the “freedom fighters” our country has gone to war against since then, don’t you think?

    Ever wonder why McCain can’t lift his arms above his shoulders, Sambot?

    What a fucking idiot.

  212. “IT WAS ISLAM… that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment.”

    Too bad they decided not to participate in either of them.

    “It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.”

    Sure. Got anything from the last 500 years?

  213. thor, Warthog…this is the worst fucking puppet show ever.

    A plague Obama policy on both your houses.

  214. “American over-reaction to 9/11 was responsible for abandonment of our values, i.e. EIT, which he terms torture.”

    As opposed, say, to the over-reaction of our Torture Presidunce.

    The last time diplomacy was used by a Republican President was when Reagan did another illegal endrun around the Law and the People, by funding Conservative Red paranoia with money wangled from Iranian Terrorists to stop the Red Tide of the Sandinistas. But I realize that is a bit of inconvenient History for you folks to digest.

  215. Can not some genius emit from the allies of Atheism?

    Possibly not, Slim, at least not for poor sad thor (although the sorry little duffer may emit, if you catch my meaning and I know you do. HARHARHAR).

    Anyway. See, thor can’t define much. “Atheism” is probably the only thing the little Nihilist is absolutely sure of.

  216. another illegal endrun around the Law and the People

    Dude. I so got your six. Check that Barney Frank. I mean, like wow.

  217. Sure leo, congratulate yourself on believing things that aren’t true and helping spread it around thereby making the world a worse place.

  218. But now that you mention it, Misscleo, how about that John Wayne Gacy, democrat fund raiser. Or Michael Skakel Kennedy. That one William Kennedy Smith. Or Brian Doyle. Neil Goldschmidt. Rep. Mel Reynolds, Cynthia McKinney, Robert Byrd, Daniel Inouye, former Rep. Gus Savage, former Sen. Brock Adams, former Rep. Fred Richmond, former Rep. John Young, former Rep. Wayne Hays, and Ira Einhorn.

    And hey, then there’s Harry Reid, Jack Murtha, William Jefferson, Hillary Clinton, Ed Rendell, Ted Kennedy, Pat Kennedy, Robert Menendez, Sharpe James, Alcee Hastings, Ray Nagin, the City of Chicago, Leo McCarthy, Al Gore, Robert Toricelli, Jim McGreevey, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Gerry Studds, Chuck Chvala, and former Sen. Brian Burke.

    Illegal endruns around the Law and the People much, Misscleo?

  219. Howie;

    I can always depend on yer thickness.

  220. That was some weapons grade idiocy there, Miss KKKleo.

  221. How so moron? How was your broad stroke my thickness, you foolish bastard?

  222. “Illegal endruns around the Law and the People much, Misscleo?”

    I admire the way you turn a small potato into a meal.

    Nothing or No one you mention has the scale of cravenness found in;

    IRAN-CONTRA or the illegal War of Choice (yer signature ClusterFuck) Iraq.

  223. I think a lot of these goofy “the MSM is biased to the right” articles and columns are an attempt to keep things in line. Don’t mention Rush, ignore him or you’ll be called a conservative, don’t quote Gingrich or Cheney or you’ll be considered to have a right wing bias. Gotta silence the opposition, even if it takes shaming news organizations to do so.

  224. I admire the way you turn a small potato into a meal.

    You should, you pathetic cretin. But I take no credit: That goes entirely to your party.

    As to foreign, erm, affairs, I hope we crap on three-eights of the globe just because it so thoroughly earned it. You want leverage against your projections on me, you got it.

    So. With that out of the way, how about all that unmitigated bullshit you were spewing about the Law and the People?

  225. I wonder, is there any doubt amongst you regulars that had Obama sat in the Presidency in May 1948 when Harry Truman bucked against powerful members of his administration to formally recognize the State of Israel at its founding, Obama, in contrast to Truman, would have gladly refused to grant such recognition?

  226. “by funding Conservative Red paranoia with money wangled from Iranian Terrorists”…

    “w[r]angled” money?

    There’s a street word for that.

    Oh yes, “jacked.”

    Or as our British friends say, “nicked.”

    So Reagan robbed a bunch of Iranian terrorists and used the money to bloody the communist nose.

    Awesome.

    I wish George W. would’ve taken a page from the Gipper and “wrangled” some money from the Mexican drug cartels to funded the war on terror.

    Go be stupid somewhere else.

  227. The last time diplomacy was used by a Republican President was when Reagan did another illegal endrun around the Law and the People, by funding Conservative Red paranoia with money wangled from Iranian Terrorists to stop the Red Tide of the Sandinistas. But I realize that is a bit of inconvenient History for you folks to digest.

    It’s probably also inconvenient history that when the “people’s revolution” was pressured into having an an open election that the people told Ortega to fuck himself.

  228. ” you were spewing about the Law and the People?”

    You are mincing and segregating yer weak ethical diatribe into smaller and smaller piles, which, by yer estimation, based upon the great NUMBER of small piles, they equal more than the TWO BIGGEST ILLEGAL SHITPILES…..

    (Iran-Contra and Iraq-the sequel)

  229. So Reagan robbed a bunch of Iranian terrorists and used the money to bloody the communist nose.

    Awesome.

    But miss-cleo’s morals are just more sophisticated than that, Lamont. Far more. Stratospherically so. You can’t understand them.

    I know I sure can’t.

  230. the TWO BIGGEST ILLEGAL SHITPILES

    What’d I tell you, Lamont? Reagan robbed a bunch of Iranian terrorists and used the money to bloody the communist nose in THE TWO BIGGEST ILLEGAL SHITPILES ON EARTH.

    Systemic, chronic, epidemic fraud and corruption on the left? Eye’s wide shut.

    Shout it from the rooftops cretin. It’ll sink in. !!!!11!!1!!!1

  231. “I admire the way you turn a small potato into a meal.”

    You’ll be doing that for real when your savior blesses you with hyperinflation.

    Don’t forget to eat the Bowl Weevils!

  232. “Reagan robbed a bunch of Iranian terrorists”

    Glad to see you guys still need a moral compass. I mean, other than the moral equivalency of ‘the end justifies the means’.

    I wonder how many Americans were killed by weapons which Reagan supplied the Terrorists?

  233. It’s a pleasure to see the New Whigs have some last gasps in their quest to succor the Status Quo. It’s actually a little painful to watch the slow death which creeps into their sorry carcasses. It hurts to see members of a species become extinct, even to the very depths of their sodden souls…

  234. *hic*

  235. Bullshit, cleo. I call bullshit on you resorting to a misdirection and closing with a fallacy after having your wee nose rubbed in your mess in the kitchen.

    You want to make love all over Moral Left-leaning Superiority, then own it when it utterly fails, ya coward.

  236. *hic*

    Excellent. As er Doctor, I advise each of you to immediately begin drinking as heavily as our friend Vicky.

  237. “having your wee nose rubbed in your mess in the kitchen.”

    I’ll take my small messes to yer Mega-Dumps…hypocrite…

  238. It hurts to see members of a species become extinct, even to the very depths of their sodden souls…

    Has anyone ever told you you’re a fantastic writer? Because they were lying.

  239. Christ, another couple of months and ‘cleo is going to be ranting about Teapot Dome.

  240. …hypocrite…

    Baldfaced liar.

  241. “Baldfaced liar.”
    Cite it, shitbird…….

  242. As er Doctor

    *urp*

  243. Howie gets a little frustrated when he can’t respond to his own satisfaction. He comes by that disability naturally, I assume….

  244. “Teapot Dome.”

    History IS a bitch, when it leaves you speechless…..

  245. *urp*

    That’s much better. Now can you expand to three syllables like ‘another….”

  246. Miss KKKleo and nishit are too smart for those orderlies. They keep sneaking out …

  247. *tvatvaffle*

  248. *tvatvaffle*

    Yer almost there. The speech center seems to be responding to therapy

  249. Actually KKKleo those weapons to Iran were used against the late wonderful humanitarian Saddam Hussein.

  250. It seems apparent that your PRE traumatic stress disorder is acting up again, Miss KKKleo. There is medicine that can help out with that.

  251. “Actually KKKleo those weapons to Iran were used against the late wonderful humanitarian Saddam Hussein.”

    Howie;

    Is roy lying about Reagan giving arms to terrorists?

  252. “I wonder how many Americans were killed by weapons which Reagan supplied the Terrorists?”

    Stop wondering before you hurt yourself. The answer is zero. They were shitty weapons to begin with and they were all aimed at Iraq.

    Oops, there goes my non-holier-than-cleo moral compass.

    You’re not really serious with any of this “how dare we thieve from Iranian savages to fuck up more organized, bigger threat, Central American-communist savages” are you?

    Cuz that would be triple fudge chocolate cake rich.

  253. Miss KKKleo claiming to have PRE traumatic stress disorder was one of my all-time favorites. When this one gets off her meds, hilarity ensues.

  254. In Iran a tomato is called a gojeh farangi. That means “French plum” in their savage tongue.

  255. Just as a reminder leo is claiming that no Republican has used diplomacy since Reagen and in that instance he used it to steal, also that the Iraq war was illegal. Any act other than pointing and laughing at his failure to wear pants is going to be a waste of time.

  256. Here in Texas we have a saying about people like KKKleo.

    He is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with the directions written on the heel.

  257. Is roy lying about Reagan giving arms to terrorists?

    Is the Press lying about Obama giving regard to terrorist regions? If you want to go all relative and pragmatic about ends and means, you’ll find that rough sledding. One can’t even keep up with all the Dem corruption and selling out these days.

    Recognize paradigm shift for what it is, you fraud. You prance around about it, now own it.

  258. “Any act other than pointing and laughing at his failure to wear pants is going to be a waste of time.”

    Preempting yer need to provide a counter-point. Nicely done…

  259. *semanticomrades*

    It can read….just can’t speak…..

  260. “You prance around about it, now own it.”

    I prefer to watch you dance around Iran=Contra and Iraq. You should enter ‘Dancing with the Stars’

  261. What is the proper counter-point to brazen lies and mindless blathering?

  262. No need for a counterpoint leo. I understand words like diplomacy and illegal, and I am aware of actual history. While you, on the other hand, aren’t wearing any pants.

  263. Makewi – As Pablo once pointed out, other than to point a laugh, the only good response to Miss KKKleo is to say “that is a fucking lie and you are a fucking liar”. It almost always is appropriate.

  264. “I understand words like diplomacy and illegal, and I am aware of actual history.”

    I’ll take yer word for it, but……it seems those avenues of knowledge leave you a bit ignorant. Maybe it’s yer age and inexperience.

    Do you wear short pants?

  265. *cantreadneitheramdemocrat*

  266. KKKleo that is a lie and you are a fucking liar.

  267. See, royf. It fits quite nicely.

  268. “KKKleo that is a lie and you are a fucking liar”

    taking Idiot lessons from JD….Priceless..

  269. Get your PRE-traumatic stress disorder taken care of.

  270. I prefer to watch you dance around Iran=Contra and Iraq.

    Do you how you earned the universal reputation around here that you are a stone liar, cleo? It’s the abject falseness. And it doesn’t shame you nor does it make you look inward. One concludes you are without conscience and one thereby finds you, again, utterly dishonest.

    In other words, I prefer to watch you dance around left pols = good, right pols = bad. I prefer to watch you dance around Obie = capable statesman, which is hysterical given the facts unfolding. If not for the tragedy, it would be to laugh.

    Get another blog to troll. I find politicians are corrupt. That’s just one of hundreds and thousands of difference between us.

  271. I live in Hawaii, so when I am not at work I wear as little as is humanly possible. Often this involves “short pants” or shorts as some people call them.

    As for my ignorance, just because I don’t agree with you that Jesus is sending you coded messages from articles in Popular Mechanics doesn’t mean I am ignorant.

  272. “It’s the abject falseness” How many times do I have to ask you for
    the substantiation for your deluded myopia?

    Cite it, Mr. Weasel.

  273. “just because I don’t agree with you that Jesus is sending you coded messages from articles in Popular Mechanics doesn’t mean I am ignorant.”

    But you are fresh out of puberty, no? Just a hint. If you don’t wish to be seen as ignorant, you may find silence will be golden for you.

  274. Everyone here and at JOM know your a liar KKKleo. What is there to prove, oh by the way how is your son the Marine doing?

  275. Miss KKKleo – The evidence you request is noted above. If you wish to look, start with all of the comments authored by semanticleo.

  276. “I prefer to watch you dance around Iran=Contra and Iraq.”

    I’ve owned Iran=Contra and your too much of a pussy to own Obama, Pelosi, et al. And Iraq!? Somebody get cleo a fucking time machine. It’s 2009. Iraq has open bars, clean whores, a Kentucky Fried Chicken, Christian churches, a violent death toll that’s 8% of Detroit’s, that big river what’s in the Bible, local security, and…oh, what’s the word for that other thing?…oh yeah, FREEDOM.

    Those poor, poor Iraqis.

    “You should enter ‘Dancing with the Stars’”

    You should consider having someone sober ghost write your comments.

  277. No, I am not fresh out of puberty. You do understand that you are a liar and that despite your protestations, merely stapling a mackerel to your groin area does not qualify as putting on a pair of pants.

  278. “Everyone here and at JOM know your a liar KKKleo.”

    Really. The only victory (albeit temporary) which JOM or Goldbrick can claim is the ban.

    Frustrating it is to keep hearing another point of view, especially when yer arguments hold no water.

  279. “pair of pants.”

    Being stuck on a single metaphor is prime evidence of yer youthful inexperience.

  280. How is your son the Marine KKKleo?

  281. “How is your son the Marine KKKleo?’….asked the idiot’s Apprentice.

  282. Well, I wouldn’t be stuck on it if it wasn’t for the fact that your junk, such as it is, is flopping all over the place. Basing arguments on provable lies is evidence that you never grew up at all, and yet your gray hair, ponytail, birks (and lack of pants) tell me otherwise. Which is just sad.

    How about we compromise and you just put on a diaper?

  283. you may find silence will be golden for you

    And we may find but our eyes will still see for us.

  284. I’m asking you KKKleo? How is your son the Marine?

  285. “Basing arguments on provable lies”

    Here’s yer chance to appear as a grown-up. Take the plunge Howie fears and cite the provable lies…that is…if yer a grown-up.

  286. It’s funny in a pathetic sort of way that leo actually thinks contributions such as no republican diplomacy and illegal war are meaningful attempts to communicate. Well it would be funny, except he has probably built the necessary shields to his ego so that they are “proven” to be true.

    Also there is the pants thing, but he seems to be getting upset by that so I won’t mention it again.

  287. KKKleo every thing you say is a lie and you are a fucking liar.

  288. The war in Iraq wasn’t illegal based on either US law or what could be called international law as expressed by the UN. In fact, since a Republican president actually used diplomacy to not only get the UN to sign off on regime change in Iraq, he also used diplomacy to acquire help from a coalition of nations to accomplish the task.

    But then, we’ve covered this ground before leo. It has always been more important to you to believe what is provably false and comforting than to deal with reality as it is. Which is why you are so comfortable walking around au naturel.

  289. That is a lie and you are a fucking liar, Miss KKKleo.

  290. “no republican diplomacy and illegal war”

    Well, that’s not much of a cite, but I’ll roll with yer pre-teen, half-a-loaf education level.

    ‘No’ republican diplomacy might be a semantic difference. It’s just that there was so little meangingful diplomacy in the ME that it is hardly worth mentioning, As for the illegal war. That’s my opinion. But, I believe, when the dust settles and we have more facts on the run-up to the War, the cooked books on the Al Qaeda/iraq connection, will result in the indictment of key Bush officials.

    You see….fraud is illegal. Get it?
    All war criminals must die…………..

    Now. We should still like to see some depth of understanding from YAF (Young Americans for Freedom)

  291. JD you are right as usual, I’m starting to get the hang of it. Thanks for the advise.

  292. “Which is why you are so comfortable walking around au naturel.”

    I think it was yerself who admitted to wearing as little as possible…no doubt to keep your mom from having to wash the shrapnel out of yer undies.

  293. KKKleo we have already established that you are a liar, So your opinion is a lie.

  294. How is that PRE traumatic stress disorder doing, Miss KKKleo?

  295. I think it’s nice that leo admited to believing things which are provably false. It’s a step in the right direction.

  296. “admited to believing things which are provably false.”

    Bless you, my child. The World still needs innocence and gullibility.

  297. Sure does leo, that frogmarch you are so desperate for is coming any day now I’m sure.

  298. “that frogmarch..” you mean ‘perpwalk, don’t you? Yes, I certainly rejoice when Justice is done.

  299. I’ve printed off and ground up Semanticleo’s comments into a nice planting mulch.

    My mushrooms should grow big and strong.

  300. Justice, another word which leo will define in ways that help him cope with reality. Bye leo.

  301. Yes, I certainly rejoice when Justice is done.

    You’ll miss the Bus downtown when That happens, you Rejoicing fool imbecile, because You wouldn’t know justice if it Bit you on the ass.

  302. The World still needs innocence and gullibility.

    And the Planet does Too, you blithering doorKnob.

  303. a violent death toll that’s 8% of Detroit’s

    Heh. Immune to Reason that cleo be, Lamont, because that One will go whistling right past With not so much as A mention.

  304. “The World still needs innocence and gullibility.”

    Obama: “Iran should have the right to access nuclear power”…

    Your boy has enough innocence and gullibility for the whole world.

    Oh, and while you’re at it cleo, don’t forget love, sweet love.

    I hear it’s the only thing there’s just too little of.

    #1 song on Ahmadinejad’s iPod. btw.

  305. ‘you blithering doorKnob.’

    well, howie, i guess you told me. you are too formidable a thinker for my sensibility.

  306. I’m confused, what does something Ronald Reagan may or may not have done over 20 years ago have to do with Nancy Pelosi and the mass, unpunished, unreported corruption of congress today, again?

  307. what does something Ronald Reagan may or may not have done over 20 years ago have to do with Nancy Pelosi and the mass, unpunished, unreported corruption of congress today, again?

    Nothing. And beating cleo’s skinny, relativistic, myth-impacted ass takes nothing more than a mouse click.

  308. well, howie, i guess you told me. you are too formidable a thinker for my sensibility.

    I’m too Formidable a Thinker for your Lies, cleo. A fact I take no Pride in, what as Minor a Feat as it Is.

  309. Charles Krauthammer brings his silver-tongued hammer.

    This guy is rapidly becoming my favorite Conservative pundit.

  310. Wretchard does a pretty decent job too:

    The Greeks tell the story of how, at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis, Eris the goddess of Discord, was uninvited, and threw in the midst of the revelers an Apple of Discord, inscribed with the words “for the fairest one”. Metaphorically present at Cairo was Discord in the guise of Obama himself. Woven in and among his suave phrases were the hard and jarring issues that roiled the region: the Arab-Israeli conflict; Iranian (and by implication Israeli) nuclear ambitions, Islamic extremism, despotism, women’s rights and the right to worship freely. By raising these issues and pelting them among the crowd, Obama must have intended to provoke movement. The question is, what kind? Many of these apples have already been snatched up by the guests at the party, each thinking that the “fairest” refers to them.

  311. Sammy blathered (repeatedly):
    What would it take to convince you?

    Aw, what’s the matter, Sammy? The icky people who disagree with you won’t let you redefine words to suit your purpose? Poor baby. You can call a tail a leg all you want, it still will be a tail.

    I guess it’d take… torture to “convince” people. That’d be more of a “end of 1984” sort of “convincing” but I’m sure a fine specimen of progressive thought would have no problems breaking someone’s mind to the point where they’d accept whatever you said was what you wanted it to mean.

  312. Perhaps “…fine specimen of progressive thought like you…” would probably work better.

  313. “And how can this be? For Obama is the Kwisatz Haderach!”

    Actually what he wants to convince the Muslim world is that he is “Al Mahdi”.

    And many are being convinced of just that

  314. This is pretty funny, and surprising since it’s on that lame Daily Beast.

    You too can write your own awesome Obama speech!

  315. There’s a book by two bloggers called Donkey Cons that you can probably pick up cheap. It has some mistaken predictions about elections coming after 2005, but the data on corruption and criminality is 100% factual and astounding. There’s a 3:1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans caught up in scandals and crime. Three times as many Democrats. The big difference? Democrats tend to stay in office, avoid punishment, and refuse to resign.

  316. Spengler on Obama’s speech at First Things.

  317. oh, that was good, sdferr. thanks for linking it.

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