Just so we’re clear here — and if it helps, you can consider this a public service announcement — “rightwing extremist” is denoted in the DHS report thusly:
Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
I mention this because there seems to be some suggestion that this report is concerning itself only with members of violent fringe groups and actual rightwing extremists — those who, we are assured, are quite different in kind from the rightwing extremists as they are described in the report itself.
Because really, why believe the report on questions of its of its own denotative criteria?
Yet somehow it is those who have taken the definition as provided at face value who are endangering a (presumably heretofore) acceptable “conservative image” — one which from what I gather is an image that has under recent narrative stewardship become tied to mental illness, Nazism, fascism, homophobia (or homosexual self-loathing), xenophobia, misogyny, imperialism, racism, and latent extremist violence just looking for an opportunity to form itself into ragtag redneck bands of confederate flag-waving ex-truckers out to scapegoat a black president, slay friendly immigrants, and neglect needy minorities.
Some of our more measured conservative commentators have been kind enough to point out that the report was started a year ago, under a Republican administration, and so has nothing to do with Obama or Tea Parties, etc. Which would make more sense had not the report itself directly mentioned the first black president and a prolonged economic downturn as potential catalysts for recruitment of neophyte haters by charismatic UBER haters.
Listen: I understand the impulse to keep the fringe actors at the fringes so that the taint of, say, the Birchers doesn’t damage conservatism proper. But the fact of the matter is, we have already allowed progressives and their media cohort to define conservatism — and the result has been to paint those whose political ideology is most tied to Constitutional fidelity and individual liberty as godbothering racist rednecks who are too stupid to recognize the glory that is come in the form of Barack Obama and the Savior State.
Which is why it makes no sense whatever to pretend that what the report explicitly states is anything other than an effort to dovetail a new formulation of “extremism” — equated herein with holding certain “right wing” ideals — with what has been a long-term systematic semantic strategy for marginalizing those voices who represent the biggest threat to an ever-expanding centralized nannystate. That there may be certain members of the GOP who are complicit in that strategy speaks to a rot in the GOP, not an erosion of the ideals embraced by legal conservatives, classical liberals, and many libertarians.
As Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson notes, the definition of “rightwing extremist” as presented in the DHS report
is so broad as to include anyone who seeks to preserve the foundation of our federal-state constitutional distinction, under the 10th Amendment (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people”), because such a person could be deemed to “reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.” […]
Similarly, the reference to “abortion or immigration” is purely political. Why pick those two subjects? If someone is planning violence, that is one thing. But vocalizing one’s view on a subject and seeking to influence the government are protected by the 1st Amendment (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances”).
Only in a highly politicized bureaucracy could the Constitution be viewed as a subversive manifesto.
And therein lies the nut: to allow this kind of definition of extremism to stand is to allow that certain Constitutionally-protected behaviors are, in fact, threatening — and are so even in advance of evidence that they pose anything other than a rhetorical threat to a particular (and evidently favored) set of political viewpoints.
You’ll forgive me, then, if I tell those who are embarrassed by my concern that they might better use their time investigating just why it is that they are not particularly concerned.
— Or else they can always sit around later after the attack and second guess themselves for wearing short skirts and having a few cocktails, and so practically begging for it.
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OUTLAW!
If you’re not for us, you are against us.
Let the pogroms begin.
And they marvel that guns & ammo sales are through the roof.
Well, if Charles says there is nothing to worry about …
They may call us Fringe Rightwing Extremists, but I prefer OUTLAW!
And so the Governor of Texas is a rightwing extremist. The governors of North Carolina, Louisiana and Alaska are probables.
So those of us who protect and defend the Constitution are “extremists”. That makes every member of Congress who doesn’t violate his oath an “extremist”.
When it comes to “extremism”, I defer to Goldwater.
The point, which is obvious, is as doomed to leftwing denial as conservatism itself is, ironically in part, by conservatism’s new gatekeepers. The left has written an entire contract and they’re explaining how all the clauses don’t really mean what they, in contractual, actionable language, directly say they do.
Oh, that part? Forget about it.
Can’t say you didn’t warn about wordplay and controlling outcomes thereby, Jeff, because you did.
So where is our hideout? Will there be crumpets? Or pie?
Every time I think that the bar has been set for sheer arrogance on the part of this administration, up it goes.
The American Legion even thought this was crazy.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/14/american-legion-to-napolitano-apologize/
And sorry Charles Johnson, but this hardly only goes after “fringe” elements. This stuff is wacky fascist garbage and needs to be called as such.
Well….the point being….how do the DHS and I tell the difference between normal non-violent conservatives and the assassinating blowing-up-buildings kind?
You all sound the same to us.
At any given time, popular conservative sites such as Hot Air, RedState and Free Republic have quite a few posts that speculate on the feasibility of an armed rebellion.
It would be just silly to pretend that isn’t happening.
Go find a Down’s baby to cut up for compost, Nishi.
Nice. Go find an abortion clinic to blow up, Jeff. G.
It would be just silly to pretend that isn’t happening.
Mostly, just silly.
You are an idiot, sorry for your troubles.
Mind your business, Tucker. You don’t know Nishi’s history here. And you also don’t have an idea about my stance on abortion. Which is why you should probably stick to commenting on the topic and not worry about me or the regulars.
What was that one lefty site — indymedia? — that had a commentor declare war on the “police state” and went out and shot a policeman?
It would be just silly to compare folks talking to folks doing.
Tucker and Nishi
good lord, get a room
Shades of Nixon coming…
It would be just silly to pretend that isn’t happening.
Can’t speak for anyone else but the left’s conduct over the last eight years has had a profound effect on my rhetorical flourishes. They showed that excessive bile, hyperbole, anger and dishonesty can yield election results!
Heavens no, Darleen. Then they might actually reproduce.
It’s highly likely that the resultant internal parasite would be flushed because Tucker is pro-abortion clinic and all, but the mere chance that some of their spawn could survive to adulthood is just not worth encouraging them to take their dry-humping elsewhere.
Yeah, Darleen, disgusting aren’t they?
How did the unknown DHS intelligence analysts go about identifying violent groups? (Did they identify any groups?)
Did they identify violent acts? No.
Did they identify violent plans? No. “The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence”
Damn good thing they are unnamed, these analysts, otherwise they might be shamed over such a shoddy work product. And we wouldn’t want that.
“defined in the DHS report thusly:”
Take another read. They don’t define it that way, they divide it into 2 categories. If they had said ‘right wing extremists are of two types, white and black’ that wouldn’t be defining white and black people as right wing extremists. It would be saying they are of two types.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming…
The report is worth what its printed on, which is to say it’s junk. Aside from a hilarious clinic in academic gibberish only seen in government documents when leftists are in power.
Jeff,
Amen brother, and might I add a very well placed volley.
Tucker and Nishi,
I though desent was the purest form of patriotism. I learned that from the left. Did I miss something from the examples Harry Reid, Dick Durbin and John Kerry set.
I think what that DHS is on the lookout is for people who want to to engage in lethal acts.
Fox News has been bashing Obama 24/7 (with the rare exception of Hannity liking the Gates appointment).
There is some redneck, rightwing nutjob with bags of fertilizer tuned to Fox News watching Glen Beck and Sean Hannity, no doubt.
Rule 12 garnished with Rule 8. These guys are just following their scripts.
Did you expect any less? We’re fighting Lucifer’s butt-buddies now. I’m really wondering if that is qualifiable as ‘figuratively speaking’.
Let’s read the opening thesis, shall we?
That’s all you have to read. EVERYTHING AFTER THE “BUT” is nothing more than vicious politicized libel. The “report” admits upfront it HAS NO EVIDENCE to substantiate its assertions, but damnation, it is going to assert all over the place that ANY AND ALL criticism of the Obama administration is just this side of McVeigh and Aryan Brotherhood.
This report’s “leak” was timed, more than anything else as a way to attempt to scare people away from Tea Parties … because if there is success tomorrow it will lead to bigger demonstrations on July 4.
Fox News has been bashing Obama 24/7
So? Keith Olbermann has been calling Bush a fascist every night for several years.
BTW, David, history indicates that it’s the left that has the penchant for mass murder.
Tell me how many classic liberal/conservative/libertarian governments you see on this list, David.
Any?
Then why don’t you STFU?
And yet they cast their net wider than that…
David, the left wing bashed Bush for 8 solid years, from ‘selected not elected’ to ‘hang him for war crimes‘. Frankly, I feel Obama would’ve been much less ‘opposed’ if you assholes had backed off of George Bush. But, no, you didn’t, so payback is a motherfucker, isn’t it?
Once again, the scumbag left identifies their true enemy…..Americans.
To all the Good Conservatives,
Let’s be ABSOLUTELY crystal clear here, mmkay? This report refers to people who are even sympathetic to the view of “rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority” as “right wing extremists”.
Now, if you’ve read your 10th Amendment, you’ll remember it says the following: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So according to our new Hopey Changey government, the Founders are all right wing extremists now.
Spare us meya. The left is tireless in their efforts to push this narrative. Deny conservatism any intellectual legitimacy by chaining it to theoretical impacts on stray uneducated hicks. This while the loeftist fringe is actually culled from the educated, idea generating class. Do you know any abortion clinic bombers who have tenure? I thought not.
Well damn David if there only watching TV that doesn’t put them in the same category as William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn now does it? Guess we will just have to try harder.
Veterans, too.
Makes sense, since they’ve all taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
David
Do you honestly believe that “rightwing” extremist groups have NOT been under fairly longterm surveillance for years?
Yet not one piece of fact to support the assertion that any identified “rightwing” extremist group is involved, let along RUNNING, the 47% of American citizens who didn’t vote for The Messiah. Or the even growing number who disapprove of His budget.
I guess since Messiah is in the White House, the First Amendment no longer applies, eh?
What, oh what, is a somewhat member of DHS to do?
I mean, I’m not paid, but sometimes I get meals and a place to sleep while doing USCGAux – I mean – DHS missions.
Heck, I even have to buy my uniform.
I think we’ve understood that for a very long time, haven’t we? I mean, they always have been and (since they’re dead) always will be.
Do Coasties take the same oath, Mikey? Seems like they do.
I wonder how they’re going to handle that.
I think what that DHS is on the lookout is for people who want to to engage in lethal acts
Acts of legal, mister cheap ‘feets imitator.
#13 Tucker:
nishi/matoko/whomever has a history here and on otheer sites. Her nickname isn’t ‘Mengele’ for nothing.
Possibly. Be sure to have someone check the spelling on your signs prior to your Tea Party.
Mmmm, ‘tater twats.
“The report is worth what its printed on, which is to say it’s junk. Aside from a hilarious clinic in academic gibberish only seen in government documents when leftists are in power.”
The problem is that it will be used to support other reports in the future, in essence building the narrative.
Mmmm… orans !
Possibly. Be sure to have someone check the spelling on your signs prior to your Tea Party.
I believe that a few of our 57 states formally recognize that spelling.
We’ve heard lots of lefties comparing BHO to Lincoln and/or Kennedy (even BHO himself).
That’s not Abraham or John. That’s Fidel in 1960. Tell me we aren’t on that path of CHANGE.
A nail in the coffin of “this was in the works for a year” is on page 4:
A year ago, the 2008 election was still in the primaries.
There’s this howler on page 6:
No shit? And this is something gubmint people need a report to know? And it’s hardly specific to the right, is it? Hell, the lefties have jackasses committing murder and arson over fucking rabbits, let alone inalienable rights.
Some lefty tried to claim an April 2001 report on leftwing groups was similar, and hardly merited a ripple on the left. But if you read that report, you see that it mentions specific groups, doesn’t confuse extremists with legitimate political positions, discusses right-wing groups at least to offer a contrast, and goes out of its way to declare that the threat from left-wing groups was decreasing. In other words, it at least attempted to put the matter into context, didn’t ignore the other side, and wasn’t clearly targeted at legitimate political differences.
“because if there is success tomorrow it will lead to bigger demonstrations on July 4.”
Step 1: Bigger demonstrations on July 4
Step 2: …
Step 3: Profit!
Clearly this must be stopped by DHS. COINTELPRO is going to hit ‘rightwing extremists.’
Our oath, SBP, as I remember it from ten years ago, was to support the constitution, etc.
I was ‘joking’ about me being a member of DHS (and I am, the USCG [of which I am a very small part] being in DHS) and being a spy. I can’t say what other parts of the department are doing, because I do not know. All I know is that the water temp at Station Belle Isle is 54 degrees fahrenheit, which means Auxiliary patrols can now begin again.
Back to the Detroit River, Lake Erie, and Lake Ste. Clair. Back to patrols to help boaters in trouble. Back to keeping two eyes open on the waterways.
Eh, it’s fun.
Mmmm… eya, tucker twats.
Step 1: Bigger demonstrations on July 4
Step 2: …
Step 3: A House election blowout in 2010.
FTFY, SFAG.
Scares you shitless, doesn’t it?
Just like the “US guns in Mexico” tripe, this will pollute various AP, Reuters, McClatchy and NPR stories to come – for years. I suspect that local law enforcement will yawn it off – most state ones too.
So now it’s the left’s belief that protests and demonstrations are pointless?
This may have been mentioned already, but, my handful of pennies…
The report doesn’t actually define “rightwing extremism”, but why else include that footnote on page 2? Why does it matter how “rightwing extremism” can be “broadly divided”? The only purpose for putting that there is to equate almost every right-leaning group with “extremism” without actually “defining” it that way, leaving DHS a way to weasel out of the (totally justified) backlash and a way for the likes of LGF to help them.
Janet Napolitano is a muff diver. Put me down as a dangerous right wing extremist homophobe.
… and the likes of meya, bless her heart.
“Scares you shitless, doesn’t it?”
That’s certainly the way the numbers are shaping up.
why’d the Boy Scouts help the
‘lil’ old lady cross the road?
‘cuz they needed more human shields
#60 – Saddam Scouts?
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Hahhahahahaaha.
It is funny meya has the balls to comment like this on this thread today considering all her prior insanity about Bush is archived on this website.
Yep, they’re genuinely afraid. Why else would they be flooding every comment section refering to the tea parties and spewing their troll feces? It’s raw naked fear that their unicorn dream will be taken away.
For your enjoyment Meya this is from 2006.
http://tales-of-iraq-war.blogspot.com/2006/12/now-who-will-hang-bush-for-crimes.html
Nothing to see there move along.
This is great. From Ace
Every word out of meya’s crapweasel mouth is a lie, including “and” and “the”.
But we all knew that already, didn’t we?
I am a small government extremist! Jeff, give them my IP address when DHS asks you for it so they can keep an eye on me.
Because of the random pee-dee poetry night.
Uh oh – I just realized that I have sowrn an oath to support and defend the Consitution of the State of Illinois…
OUTLAW?!
Dare I say…we are all OUTLAWS now. Except the goat herd and the goose girl.
“Why does it matter how “rightwing extremism†can be “broadly dividedâ€? ”
It looks like the report is a basic briefing. In that way part of the description is to separate your stormfront/KKK type extremists from your clinic bomber type extremists. Of course for a lot of the right wing this means they’re talking about them. Because they’re under constant victimization.
er, ‘sworn’… “sowrn” oaths may actually be prohibited…
That’s what cracks me up about these knotheads.
They’re getting their panties all wadded up about the scary Tea Parties. When all is said and done, there will likely be: No broken windows, torched cars, hanging effigies, ugly bare breasted womyn, Che shirts.
Maybe that’s what has them worried. Pissed off growups.
No extremist here either.
http://www.alternet.org/story/66336/
grownups that can spell sometimes.
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You really can not be that blinded to the reality that a 10 trillion dollar deficit will eventually have to be paid for by higher taxes.
PS that middle class tax cut was not huge it was 8 dollars a week and offset by other taxes.
Yeah, right.
To wit: A recent, huge middle-class tax cut.
*SMACK*
That’s right! I almost forgot that extra $13.00!
Silly me, I guess I’ll stay home tomorrow and party.
Maybe the DHS has a point.
After all that Lee Harvey Oswald character was a veteran and he was a staunch opponent of the Federal government.
So, you know, there is some history there…
#72 – a pity that the report could have, you know, come out and said what you are trying to say they meant. Too difficult? I am sure there are plenty of GS-12 or GS-13s that could have managed to type a couple of extra paragraphs.
The footnote, once again: “* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
All being rightwing extremism, with the rejection of illegal immigration, eg., tied to “hate” movements — which I’ve heard is what you’re a part of if you don’t agree with race-based affirmative action.
Parse it all you’d like. My not being a lawyer, I’m not looking for ways that they may presumably claim plausible deniability. I’m looking at what I believe was intended.
Surprise, I know.
Ok so is Trinity now considered a extremist hate group?
The footnote, for one. I’ve bolded some bits for you if it helps.
I read the history of the rise and fall of Hitler’s Nazi but I never thought I would live to see another start of the same type government. Ladies and Gentlemen you are seeing the start and will live with the result. At least 48% of the voters will be able to say ‘told you so’ as they are marched to death camps. O’Dumbo is planning a far worse end to the U.S. than Hitler had planned for Germany. Oswald was a democrat before he became a communist. Every presidential assassian/attempted assassian has been a democrat. 99% if the terrorists type violence in the U.S. has been by democrats. Ask one of O’Dumbo’s best friends, business associates (ripping off over a hundred million taxpayer dollars was a business to them), and a college professor. Guilty as hell, free as a bird.
For all you stupid lefty trolls who are wondering why we are pissed off by this. There are some folks at the DHS, Napolitano in partcular, who are writing an edited secret report that then gets vetted by several others before release (which wasn’t supposed to be leaked, whoops!) and not have these words stick out like something that wasn’t supposed to be there, when talking about what makes someone a possible “threat”:
“reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.â€
A Federalist is not an extremist. The founders of the Constitution decided this was important enough to include in the Constitution, twice in fact. The Ninth Amendment states: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” Continues the 10th Amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
As in, the whole point of our system is that the system should never be dictating whether or not people should be federalists. And it’s fucked up that someone this high-up doesn’t realize how bad that reads.
I see that Tucker guy talk about middle class tax cuts. He’s hilarious, isn’t he?
Is he a new prototype or something?
Kinda hard to do that when the freakin interest rate will be almost a trillion dollars a year along with new entitlements that cost in excess of a trillion dollars a year. You are deliberately lying as always. Just be honest, what the government wants now is massive increases in taxes along with massive increases in size.
Mikey NTH,
You are cordially invited, if you have too, to come and closely observe my wife and I tomorrow. More than happy to buy lunch too. You know where we will be and what we look like. :-)
If you can’t, as is likely, then afterwards we will hoist one in honor of those DHS Coasties who serve the Great Lakes so well.
“grownups that can spell sometimes.”
Thank God you qualified that with “sometimes” – I may be considered a grown up yet!
You are going to raise revenue in a recession by higher taxes eh Meya?Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahaha.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975399974418909.html
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So in essence you are agreeing with me. Thanks.
Thankfully no one here was very big on Bushco spending, either. So we don’t really feel the whole hypocrite sting.
Actus.
Wow, actus again? Really?
Dude, this place is like crack to you.
Angry hicks pissing on the curbs, dropping bloody stools in the street, blasting methane from their backsides, all cranked up on Sean Hannity and home-cooked meth.
What happened to the days when moonshine inbreds unexpectedly upped the price of turnips at the market to voice their drunken rage?
A good gander at the hick flora will be fun, nonetheless. The infectious nature of a group chicken dance will overwhelm their non-spontaneous tax revolt, I predict.
Actus.
It’s really very hateful of me to be laughing so loud.
So this guy takes Bush debt policies and multiplies them by four but yet you point at Bush to defend the actions of the guy voted for. Wow you are freakin insane.
Why can’t anyone ever defend the President’s policies without referring to what someone in some other place or time did?
The telephone pole, huh?
That figures.
The stupid is strong with that one.
The chicken dance does sound fun, though.
Now tHOR?
Geeze, did you two just get done with…whatever?
Protein Wisdom commentator: Damn King Kong is sure going on a rampage thru New York. Someone should stop him.
Actus: As opposed to before, when Travis the Chimp was chewing off faces? I feel much better now.
What in the everloving fuck is this?
Because of the homophobia. Which might be simple, classic schoolyard taunts, but whatever. It’s a lot like murder.
Jane, stop this crazy thing.
Forget OUTLAW!, guys. Think OUTCAST! You all need to ramp it up, to extremist levels if necessary.
#22, Sdferr,
Rhetorical threats. Words, rhetoric, even accurate quotes of what they have said themselves, these are to the Left much worse than bombs or bullets.
Sit down and STFU is their constant aim for enemies. A silent enemy is a defeated one. That is why the Tea Parties scare them.
Actus – ha! Next up the Return of PIATOR?
You have a point there. It’s all Clinton’s fault.
Shut up wingers, explained the DHS.
Next up, a treatise by the Department of Health explaining why “right wing” thought ought to be classified as mental illness.
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Dude you are not even trying anymore.
Damn my comment on 104 sure was racist. Put me on the list.
I assume DHS has a definition of “Leftwing extremism”, which, of course, would at least involve the very same antipathy to Constitutional rights expressed in the statement on “Rightwing extremism”, as well as the attempt to demonize/inspire hate against “Rightwingers” contained therein?
Shut up wingers!
A recent, huge middle-class tax cut.
Liar.
We looked at this so called “leftwing extremism” and came to the conclusion that it either wasn’t “leftwing” and so was rolled up into the right with the rest of the kooks, or wasn’t extremism as it was done for the advancement of humanity.
Besides, who doesn’t want to put on a bandanna and break windows? It’s not like you haven’t thought about it. We know you have. We tap your phones, because it’s ok now.
Oh. Actus. In that case, my #115 wasn’t really necessary, was it?
Hey, cynn: Actus is claiming the middle class got a “huge” tax cut.
You seen yours yet?
How are those smokes tasting? Still like Barky’s ass?
Thor, it’s hippies that smell.
That middle class tax cut goes away in ’11 when tax rates return to pre-Bush levels. I get 400 now and give back 1680 later. Well done! Well done indeed!
Obama stepped into the ship of state and noticed that it was taking on water through a small hole in the hull.
So the first thing he did was drill a great big hole to let the water out. And you wingers thought Obama didn’t have the sense to come in out of the rain.
Why are you guys so bothered by this? It has nothing to do with ordinary right-wingers. It concerns the slavering loonies whose psychoses will be triggered by some internal perception that their universe has imploded. It imputes nothing toward the general opposition. Why should it?
This was nothing, if not a giant shot of “Prior Restraint” across the bow.
In other words – we will be watching you, and if your movement starts to get traction, there will be hell to pay.
dicentra,
Curley of the Three Stooges at least was funny when he did it.
>>Parse it all you’d like. My not being a lawyer, I’m not looking for ways
>>that they may presumably claim plausible deniability. I’m looking at what
>>I believe was intended.
>>
>>Surprise, I know.
Frankly, I’m stunned.
Although it is kind of interesting that they focused on right-wing extremists. As if the worst the left could do was take our Birkenstocks off en masse and really stink up the place.
Why are you guys so bothered by this? It has nothing to do with ordinary right-wingers.
Then why does it describe ordinary right-wingers?
If they meant to talk about the loony fringe, they would have described the loony fringe: e.g. white supremacists (KKK-level), armed insurrectionists,
Starkwood, violent anarchists, and they would have described acts of intimidation and violence.If they found none of the sort, the report should have been one page long.
Why are you guys so bothered by this? It has nothing to do with ordinary right-wingers.
It might seem unethical, or even evil, but there has been some success in the past 60-70 years at blurring the distinction between the “ordinary” right wingers and the fringe. Perhaps you’ve noticed it?
You really have a hard time standing in someone else’s shoes, don’t you, cynn?
Although it is kind of interesting that they focused on right-wing extremists.
The report on left-wing extremists came out in April 2001. Keep up, wouldja?
Then we’re even! Or not…
George Will – the new bowtied face of terror.
Maybe the DHS was taking their cue from the SPLC, who also seems focused on the idea that hate comes from one side.
Hatewatch – Keeping an eye on the radical right.
“As if the worst the left could do was take our Birkenstocks off en masse and really stink up the place.”
Well, they try, but manage to kill themselves in the process.
Right-wing extremists. We are all known by the company we keep.
Why are you guys so bothered by this? It has nothing to do with ordinary right-wingers. It concerns the slavering loonies whose psychoses will be triggered by some internal perception that their universe has imploded. It imputes nothing toward the general opposition. Why should it?
#7, cynn. If it’s a contract that means only what you say it means after the fact, why’s it a contract?
One more time:
#7, cynn. If it’s a contract that means only what you say it means after the fact, why’s it a contract?
You know who forgot from the list? Thomas Paine guy, Fox News, Glenn Beck,
Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin…Just battlefield prep on the part of the left: define the target.
Why are you guys so bothered by this?
I happen to believe in States Rights, and a limited Federal Government.
So yeah, it bothers me.
“Water-Letter-Outer”
The world is threatening to go topsy-turvy on you
Oh, I wouldn’t count on that, liebot.
Quite the contrary.
cynn,
There are plenty of real enemies trying to do harm to these here United States. This report was a shabby and poorly designed thing if the BIG THREAT is that maybe some hate groups – who are right wing (but we can’t name any!) will try to go out and recruit vetr’ns to go killbot. These hypothetical evil righties are anyone who takes a political stand to the right of Barney Frank.
There are plenty of real people who want us hurt – I have had the foreign versions try pretty hard to make me dead, dead, dead. Trying to hypothosize a theoretical maybe possible right-wing threat is just plain piss poor work product. If someone is going to be hurt by “domestic” terror it is going to be someone hurt by the ELF, ‘home-grown’ Islamists or an ‘anti-globalization protestor/anarchist’.
This is crap work by the Department that is supposed to keep us safe – not dream up a Nixonian Enemies List.
I am considered more a potentitial threat to the Republic than her defender, by DHS.
Comment by meya on 4/14 @ 7:14 pm
You skipped ‘critical thinking’ in high school, right?
Or just high school altogether?
The world is threatening to go topsy-turvy on you
So your misery requires company, eh wot, Tucker?
143
Have you considered yet the implications to your next clearance interview?
“Have you ever belonged to an extremist group that wanted to advance States rights?”
positively fourth street…
aside/ i hate when u listen to a dylan song…
and the asshole is [me] you…
que sera it is
It was fast, what with the spending our little country into dirty socialist oblivion in less than two months, but our dirty socialist hungarian fuck muppet president and his skeezey woman already needs them some extremist enemies. Very very Hugo Chavez, and with the third worldy finances to match. Not none of these dirty socialists is scary. You have to remember that, and they know it too, is what this report says. Weak. Weak cause their Chicago street trash community organizey skillz is not coming in as handy as Daddy Soros said.
I bet right about now they’re thinking that maybe they should have passed a stimulus what was actually designed to stimulate something other than Nancy Pelosi’s dick.
heard it thru the grapvine…
right wing pony rides
are trained…
to dress[ss?]age
your babies skull…
how far away does
jews are apes and pigs..etc…
bwarney franks?
#146 – Indeed, I must confess to swearing to protect a State Consitution, gasp!
i’m not paranoid
you are playing one on television
[sigh] u mean i got to get up?
[sigh]yeah.. i guess i gotta get u[ now theres a rally=ing cry!]
how about..don’t fall down-the’ll shoot ya”
or
don’t wear glasses…
they’ll shoot ya’
and on and on…
‘cept if u have a gun…
they…[think twice] shoot ya
waco
Hey, nice to see you Happyfeet. I can’t tell how much I’ve missed your particular brand of “in-your-face” raging Id.
what would be nice would be
a media where i could compare and contrast
in…mmmm. kinda real time/
the comments/ arguements/ etc
as this shit is going down
shit i mean by polotics/ we’re all supreme dalleks
exterminate/exterminate
but we all watched columbo tying robert conrads shoe backwards…
we get it!/how to spread it?
is there a place to get
…ahhh..kid…
u almost had it!
get up rocky!
i would really like a link to congressional resolution #?
there were 2
barbara lee was only neg vote/
then 2nd vote/ before the 2002 elections/ there was ‘nother vote
i believe/ 6 nay votes
any one/
steer me?
texas toast?
thank you!
vote on the war/ sorry
congrits vote?
resolution #
u enable my laissere ways..
we free market penciled goons
think of love..we pretend..
ahh.. the french!
then we spill white paint onna cat
and have a skunk chase her around….
? for the world…do u want to decrease our influence?
Hi Tucker I missed you too big hug ok gotta go. I don’t have the attention span just right now cause I quit smoking totally and for good two days ago cause me I’m not paying our hungarian muppet’s dirty socialist taxes for stupid sick children what don’t call me daddy.
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I don’t understand Tucker.
I mean I get the talking points in so far as they’re standard liberal “I think I’m smart cuz the NYT, et al says so…just watch me quote stuff!” But dead/jackass/try to pick up a turd by the clean end ideology aside, his grenade tosses never manage to land 2 feet from his own fucking fox-hole.
Despite his PT Barnum, America sux, oratorical bullshit, everywhere it counts, Teleprompter jesus has wrapped himself in Dubya’s policy blanket like its his goddamn woobie.
And LOL…it’s been a 100% Democrat show for a while now. There’s your math Tucker. Can you square that root stupid?
In closing…Dear Tucker, You’re shelling your own dudes every time you open your fucking mouth.
I re-wrote it, substituting “leftwing” for “rightwing” for those who just don’t get it.
Isn’t this exactly what Cheney was always being falsey accused of doing–using Homeland to monitor dissenting Americans, questioning their patriotism, etc.?
The race crap is over the top, given Obama’s black nationalist church and all the La Razists in his administration.
But smearing veterans as dangerous while releasing Gitmo terrorists into the USA is truly outrageous.
“Obama DHS Affirmed Right Wing Extremist”
That is so going on my business card.
Is there some kinda tax write-off that comes with that?
Mileage?
Anything?
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Singling out Conservatives and (many) Republicans (except those who ran to the left, of course. “Good man”, eh?)
Just goes to show you that Obama is a danger to a two-party system of government, and a danger to the American system of Republic. Desiring a single-party system of government means exactly what to you, Tuckerpuppet?
We are seeing neo-Hitler rising.
I told you so.
“I happen to believe in States Rights, and a limited Federal Government.”
Yeah how come people confuse “limited federal government” with the report’s language of “rejecting federal authority.” Oh. Because they’re being victimized.
“You skipped ‘critical thinking’ in high school, right?”
Could be. But I did learn some basic set theory in elementary school. All men are mortals doesn’t mean all mortals are men, and all that.
Yeah how come people confuse “limited federal government†with the report’s language of “rejecting federal authority.â€
Who exactly is confusing it?
…cause I quit smoking totally and for good….
Rock on, ‘feets! Stay busy as hell, do anything you can to occupy your mind so you don’t think about how your aren’t smoking.
Well, anything except eat. Don’t ask me how I know that.
“When are these rates going to go up? Mortgage rates are hitting lows these days. So are deposit rates, btw, like my savings and cds.”
Mortgage rates have fuck all to do with it. Banks are now getting hit with 1,000% increases on their FDIC premiums which is why they offer shitty interest. Fine (and good for that matter) that you have a “rainy day” savings account, …but you ACTUALLY still have CDs in a bank!?!
Wow. I bet your bank loves you.
Well, from the text at teh top of the post it is the DHS, not that Meya has a problem with that. Or a problem with spewing such blatant falsehoods.
The actual quote from the report says that rightwing extremism is:
‘rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority
So it is the DHS who reject the concept of ‘limited Federal government.’
And Meya’s cool with that, but she doesn’t want to come right out and say it.
There is an oddly surreal entertainment to be found in being considered a fringe rightwing extremist. I’ve never before thought of myself as such. I’ve never before been considered such.
Do progressives have any fond, lingering memories of liberty anymore? Or was that liberty fundamentally attached to the liberalism they decided to throw overboard in the pursuit of a more active state?
Oh for criminey …… Frum blames Beck and FoxNews
I’m planning to be at the Fresno, Ca tea party tomorrow afternoon, anyone else going to be there?
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As an actual extremist (not a cool violent one, though), I’m offended to be lumped in with you Constitution-rubbin’ America-is-theoretically-awesome “Vote Other Dudes!” suckers. OFFENDED I SAY.
But if it sets you guys on a path to understanding where the gummint ranks you on its shit list (right above North Korea, it looks like), then good. You should know that.
Especially you military guys. The section of vet-hate in the report is the big one. They agree with me — me! imagine! — that you’re not them. Understanding that was a big step in my youthful dechomskification. I hope it does something like that for you, too (not a cool violent thing, though).
To repeat myself… I’ll be at the Rancho Cucamonga Tea Party (all four corners of Foothill and Day Creek… near Victoria Gardens) 5-7pm
From the Frum piece:
Well hell, I gotta pull out my Thomas Jefferson quotes again…
I imagine Frum would consider Jefferson, were he alive today, a wacky, far right extremest threat to America though, so Beck is in good company.
When are these rates going to go up?
Says the lying crapweasel who was chortling at the prospect of runaway inflation so she could pay back her student loans with devalued dollars.
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“Understanding is a three-edged sword.”
A Three-edged sword?
I have one of those. It drains mana and all, but my health, strength and experience points push its over all damage effect right off the fucking scale.
All your blather, and it comes down to a roll of twelve sided dice?
You lose.
Shit. That didn’t take long.
“in my youthful dechomskification”
Do I have to give up the idea that language acquisition is hardwired?
I kid, I kid. Shorter me: If a state approved it with a vote, I’d let two gay dudes get married in a field of dope while shooting bazookas into the sky. Just don’t subsidize it. Or teach it to kids instead of math, science, and English.
Turns out that mindset is a little bit extreme currently. Well, maybe, but it’s been our established form of government for centuries now.
Buck Ofama
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“If a state approved it with a vote, I’d let two gay dudes get married in a field of dope while shooting bazookas into the sky”….
Damn. I’ve never wanted to be gay before…but that sounds AWESOME!
David Frum please go back to Canada and shutup,fool.
Lyoubigdummy, yeah, that would be the best possible implementation. If straight couples hire gay wedding planners, gay guys should consider the reverse just for the novelty factor.
Unfortunately, in the real world, it’s much more likely to involve antique shopping or bad 80’s techno remixes.
Jeeze. Did Uncle Rahm release the hounds or something?
Not true. Its a shell game.
All they’ve done is to reduce the withholding. They haven’t changed the tax liability one cent.
NEXT April 15th, all those folks who spent the money that was in their “cut” will be paying a bigger tax bill than they would have.
Contribute to REAL recovery: put your money in savings (especially your “tax cut” money so it’ll be there when the bill comes due) and pay down your debts with anything left over.
“Unfortunately, in the real world, it’s much more likely to involve antique shopping or bad 80’s techno remixes.”
There’s nothing wrong with Depeche Mode and antique sleigh beds.
Each to their own blowhard.
Each to their own.
Thanks, B Moe. Food is bad, but it’s all I got right now so I’m trying to at least just make good choices. But there will be some work to do and sooner than later I can tell already. You know what are tasty is pringles. Any flavor really.
Not really off-topic: I gave the two people who work for me the day off tomorrow. They’re headed to Madison for Paisan’s pizza, the tea party, and they’re carrying some handmade “Outlaw!” stickers.
I’ll be laughing every single time I think about it tomorrow.
except bbq
Lamont ybd, shit, I kinda like the odd Depeche Mode remix myself, uh-oh!
hf, I’ve recently quit myself, like very recently, keep at it. I’ve found strenuous exercise to help a great deal. Hard to crave a cigarette when you feel like puking.
How do you know? That’s certainly a valid interpretation, but there’s nothing explicit in the text to support it.
So, you know, it would be nice if it said what you just did.
If, that is, that you are right.
I have been lifting a little is all – work is being very demanding and stupid, but it does help. I’m in pretty good shape cause I did the chantix – done now – and the zyban – will be on that for at least a year probably. Drugs are very very helpful.
I don’t know what’s got you all in a froth, Jeff. You don’t even rate.
There’s safety in anonymity.
Looks like they DID release a report on left-wing loonies!
Whew! We’re all kooks now! It’ll make for an interesting time in the gulag, yeah?
And “massive” tax cut?
Even if one wrongly beleives that anyone’s going to get to keep that not-withheld-money, every bit of what is “extra” in the paycheck of a two pack a day smoker goes to pay for the newly raised tobacco tax, plus about $3.50 per paycheck.
“Whew! We’re all kooks now! It’ll make for an interesting time in the gulag, yeah?”
That’s something the critics and trolls don’t quite get. We’re a bit of a happy family here yet we’re all a bit different from the rest.
How that translates in their minds to purity-testing conservative extremists, I’ll never know.
hf, try some wind sprints. Helps with the smoking and I’m-bored food cravings. Nausea, it’s our friend.
“Lamont ybd, shit, I kinda like the odd Depeche Mode remix myself, uh-oh!”
Saw them in concert three times. Got laid after two of them.
I’m almost sure those were chicks.
Stick with it hf. It’s hard (shit, nicotine is like heroin), but, if you can come out the other end, it’s amazing the strength you’ll pick up (physical, not just mental).
Get there.
well, that just made my day. thanks, Jeff!
LamontYBD, are you going to the Dallas tea party?
Welcome to your world, wingers. Weren’t you the ones who were all in favor of the Patriot Act, suspension of habeus corpus, torture, wiretapping, and Jack Bauer? Karma’s a real bitch.
I will think on the sprinting.
Yeah, you got it all wrong. Personally, I was in favor of torture-tapping, the habeus Act, Jack Daniels and the suspension of Patriot corpus.
I think you have the wrong site.
“LamontYBD, are you going to the Dallas tea party?”
I was. Business gods pimp slapped me. LSS: I’m in Little Rock AR.
But I’ll be with two of my clients at the Little Rock Ar ‘Tea Party’ downtown at the River Center (after lunch and 3 or 4 beers).
Fair enough?
I guess. I won’t be there either (rehearsal), but RTO is planning to split his time between Rowlett and Dallas.
Welcome to your world, wingers. Weren’t you the ones who were all in favor of the Patriot Act, suspension of habeus corpus, torture, wiretapping, and Jack Bauer? Karma’s a real bitch.
I weep for stupid people who think they’re smart.
Patriot Act–Nothing wrong with it.
suspension of habeus corpus–This may bedone under the Constitution, what of it?
torture–No one is in favor of torture. Some folks just don’t know what torture is.
wiretapping–Done in compliance with the law, what’s the problem?
Jack Bauer–Fictional character. It’s a TV show, dude. It’s not real.
Will RTO have a sign up?
Cuz my gal is going in Dallas. She’s 1,000 x better than me, smarter than me, makes more than me, closes better than me, and, like a good girl, for tax purposes, wants to punch The One square in the nuts.
And yes, I’m hanging on to her like grim death.
Sausage King and RTO Trainer, I think it’s hopeless.
These trolls all have formative issues. Just imagine it. You’re a young adult, confused, and all of these mean girls suddenly start throwing tampons at you in the shower.
Lasting trauma, that’s what it is. Especially if you’re a guy.
screw that..-i’m for suspension..
of dis-belief/
jack bauer -* 1218
the nice racked whoomp whoomp
jiggle
tuff gal red head.-* 1219
torture- watching the food channel
and thinking of all the great troops [et-al]and getting hungry-
distracted…
if someone could link me 2 the vote on the war
i would appreciate/thanks
congress…resolution #..?
here ya go, pdb.
There’s also this that I’m too lazy to look up on the senate site.
LYBD,
I’ll be wearing a green and white t-shirt with an “updated” Gonzales flag on the back.
(For non-Texas history knowing folks, the Gonzales flag depicts a star above a Canon above the words, “Come and Take It”.) Mine replaces the canon with an M-4.
okay, I lied, here.
The story of the Gonzales flag.
I have to say that it concerns me quite a bit that America’s two camps don’t seem to agree on a single issue: abortion, climate change, the teaching of evolution in schools, gay rights, health care, you name it. What disturbs me the most about the right is that the rank and file conservatives don’t seem to be concerned at all about the country’s growing aristocracy, the top one percent or so of earners who control a vastly disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. I am asking this in a serious manner: This doesn’t bother any of you?
Carrie reference at 211.
um, cite?
Edo, check this out for yourself. You don’t have to trust me.
Look at Rockefeller’s wealth at its greatest and compare it as a percentage to the Federal budget of that year.
Now, take the richest man today and compare it as a percentage to the Federal budget for this year.
There is a trend. If you’re concerned about something scary-big, look towards D.C.
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alenxader hamilton’s on the
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It’s called the Pareto distribution, edo, and it’s normal. And yet the total economic pie is still large enough to support median income of around $55000/year and median household values of close to $60000.
That 1% are not hurting the rest. And formulating policy on the basis of a misguided inequity aversion might satisfy someone’s send oe fo justice, but will have the result of shrinking the economy, dragging everyone down (see Pareto).
I have to say that it concerns me quite a bit that America’s two camps don’t seem to agree on a single issue: abortion, climate change, the teaching of evolution in schools, gay rights, health care, you name it.
That’s incredibly simplistic. Are you somehow under the impression that blacks, hispanics, urban whites and organized labor are of a single mind on the full complement of proggy issues? Have you not noticed that you invariably lose referendums on progressive pet issues in Democratic states? Or that the left perpetually relies on creative judges to impose their will on the rest of us?
What disturbs me the most about the right is that the rank and file conservatives don’t seem to be concerned at all about the country’s growing aristocracy, the top one percent or so of earners who control a vastly disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. I am asking this in a serious manner: This doesn’t bother any of you?
Why should it? Do I think some people are obscenely compensated? Sure. But you should maybe work on better understanding the game behind the game. All this rhetoric is emotionalism which masks the real goal of socking the upper-middle-class because that is where the tax revenue is. If you ever encounter a serious Democrat proposing a nominal hike on people who make the kind of money that animates their rhetoric you let us know.
“Look at Rockefeller’s wealth at its greatest and compare it as a percentage to the Federal budget of that year.”
Rockefeller? So we should return to the Gilded Age? That is precisely what I think we shoudl avoid. The fact that CEO salaries are now 400 times that of a worker isn’t a concern? Of course this hurts the rest. A CEO’s salary of $20 million waters down the share price of everyone else. So the greater income disparities of the past 25 years are of no concern to any of you? Forget about the economics of it for just a second. I’m more concerned with the effects this has on a democracy when so few have so much power. Just asking.
Edo where do you get the idea that a CEOs salary has anything to do with their access and influence? Do you think lobbying comes out of his/her pocket or that the head of a major corporation’s ability to have his calls returned has anything to do with the fact that he’s paid $20 million as opposed to 5 million?
Sorry Abe, I honestly don’t know what you are trying to say–in both of your comments. Why should it bother me when a handful of people in my country have the influence of tens of millions of people? Because that isn’t democracy. We’ve already been there and we didn’t like it. Why would you want us to return to the days of oligarchy and minority rule? We are looking more like Brazil every day. Been there, don’t like it (not the politics that is).
Edo: So your problem with “rank and file” conservatives (disgusting term, by the way. Reeks of unionism. No free man should want to be ranked and filed, like a cog in a machine.) is that they, as a general rule, don’t buy into the Left’s class envy rhetoric.
It matters not one whit to me (and does me no harm) if the CEO of BigAssCo is paid $1 or $50M. It’s none of my business. “Should Mr. CEO be paid such an exhorbitant fee?” That’s solely a matter for the Board of Directors/shareholders to decide.
Hint: both sides freely enter into such a deal of their own volition. The CEO-dude values the $20M (or whatever) more than his time; the directors/shareholders value the CEO’s leadership more than the $20M. It’s a win-win. In a multi-billion dollar corporation, the money spent on top level execs is a relative drop in the bucket, and easily offset by whatever business growth takes place under their leadership.
If a CEO takes the business into a new market, or buys out a competitor, or what-have-you, and the Corporation’s profits increase by $100M, and the business owners believe that’s because of the stunning leadership of their guy, why in god’s name *shouldn’t* they pay him an extra 10M? Spend 10M to make 100M… who *wouldn’t* take the deal.
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Flip side: business is tanking (e.g. GM), but the CEO is still being paid a Healthy Chunk o’ Change. Reason: limited supply. There are very few people with the experience and knowledge qualified to run a world-wide multi-billion dollar entity… even poorly. Those few are paid what the market will bear. (Or used to be, before we started nationalizing industries.)
We’re all paid what the market will bear. If we feel you’re not being paid enough, you need to find a better market (ie, move someplace else, or do something that’s more in-demand). But being envious of someone else’s success, and demanding that the government step in, take their success away from them at the point of a gun, and give it to you (or “the poor”) is, oh, what’s that word… “evil”.
Who said anything about envy? You aren’t addressing my point of the lopsided effect these people exert over a democracy. Why aren’t CEOs in other countries so obscenely compensated? Show me a CEO who makes tens of millions and I’ll show you a company that is shorting the shareholders. Board of directors? Please. Most of the time they are nothing but a bucn of stuffed shirts who will sign anything as long as they get there check every year and a free trip to Davos or wherever to “manage” things.
As I’ve said, we’ve already been to where this is taking us and we didn’t much like it the first time.
Why should it bother me when a handful of people in my country have the influence of tens of millions of people?
It bothers me too, but I think we have a different handful of people in mind, capiche?
we’ve already been to where this is taking us and we didn’t much like it the first time.
When was this again? Early 20th-Century? When all of the totalitarian movements were the toast of academia? When Woodrow Wilson put people in prison for objecting to WWI?
That destination?
You’re right; we should avoid it like the plague. Best insist that the 10th amendment be enforce lest the gubmint think it’s entitled to micromanage our lives.
You’re just playing with platitudes edo. If you don’t understand what I wrote it is because you don’t even understand the issue you’re complaining about. If you’re talking about a cesspool like Chicago where a real estate developer helps Obama buy a house, then yes, people can buy influence with their own money. But you are a fool if you think that CEOs of large multi-national corporations dig deep into their own pockets to buy influence when, regardless of how they themselves are compensated, their businesses have separate funds for lobbying and similar efforts.
My love of the constitution makes me a hater. My embrace od capitalism and my 90 hour weeks means I’m unstable. 6 fucking months of therapy, how come nobody told me?
What disturbs me the most about the right is that the rank and file conservatives don’t seem to be concerned at all about the country’s growing aristocracy
Yo, edo: it’s your side that believes in a two-tiered noble/peasant society, with unelected bureaucrats playing the role of the noble and the role of the peasant standing outside the gate with his hand out played by, well, you.
Do you seriously believe people like George Soros, the Google guys, and 90% of Hollywood support Obama because they think he’s going to take all their privileges away?
Have you seriously failed to notice that Obama’s only significant action so far has been to transfer trillions of dollars of your money to failing corporate interests (banks, auto companies, you name it)?
But hey, he gave you an eight dollar a week “tax cut” (which gets clawed back next year).
How can you be that naive?
Obama isn’t doing a damned thing to the “rich”, nor will he. He’s waging war on the middle class.
You can’t have a republic without a strong middle class, edo. It just doesn’t work.
Why aren’t CEOs in other countries so obscenely compensated?
Where’s the Silicon Valley of France?
Show me a CEO who makes tens of millions and I’ll show you a company that is shorting the shareholders.
You’re not very good at the arithmetic thing, are you, edo?
Alan Mulally, the CEO of Ford, recently announced that he was going to take a 30% pay cut.
His total compensation for last year was $13.6 million.
Ford’s 2007 revenues were $172 billion.
Mulally’s compensation represents about 0.008% of Ford’s revenue — small enough that it gets lost in the noise.
Note that Mulally has managed to keep Ford in such a position that it didn’t need to take bailout money. He’s clearly doing something right, yes?
Edo, does it bother you that all the overcompensated millionaires in Hollywood use their wealth to support a single party, in addition to having the entire corporation of Hollywood to act as a democratic propaganda machine?
How do you feel about George Soros and how he – a single very rich person – has affected our politics?
Alan Mulally, the CEO of Ford, recently announced that he was going to take a 30% pay cut.
His total compensation for last year was $13.6 million.
Total compensation for Ben Roethilsberger (Miami of Ohio alum, ya!) last year. Over $27 million.
Lets see here … a football player, versus a guy who is ultimately responsible for the employment of thousands of people…
Class Warfare: The opiate of the masses.
Class Warfare: The IED of the populist.
If someone wants to hire me to be CEO of anything they are going to have to pay me a shitload of money. Period. More money than anyone else in the company makes. If I’m the boss, if I take the risk, I’m getting compensated t a level that I deem acceptable. Fuck newspaper columnists, academics, congress, and you.
Back to work.
OUTLAW!
the top one percent or so of earners who control a vastly disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. I am asking this in a serious manner: This doesn’t bother any of you
Not nearly as much as the bottom 50%, which not only produces nothing but has even more political power and the ability to steal from the rest of us.
I think I know why I like this thread so much – it has two things in it that make any thread better. More psycho and more Lamontyoubigdummy.
Kind of like “more cowbell” yes?
We don’t have a ‘democracy;, edo. Public school, much?
We have a representative Republic that’s currently under assault by far-left ‘progressives’ who spend inordinate amounts of time and money (community organizing with ACORN, for example) recruiting the poor and the perennially envious to attack the foundational core of our Republic: our proven capitalist economic system. Greed, envy and class hatred are the prime motivators of the current Democrat power system. All these base emotions used effectively to push this nation farther and farther to the left, away from capitalism.
If you, Edo, desire to strip the ‘evil corporations’ of much of their profits, and take their executive compensation programs to the levels where you feel comfortable (no doubt a ‘get even’ approach), then you’ll find these industries nationalized. These government bailouts are the tools and levers of nationalization; and never should have occured.
The U.S. Congress has committed (spent) (well, printed and borrowed from foreign nations, in essence stolen from our grandkids) over $10 TRILLION since the last quarter of 2008 in ‘bailouts’ to make up for the decades of erroneous social and fiscal policies that finally came home to roost. That ‘government bailout of corporate America’ is an ongoing mistake that may prove to be destructively grievous. Nail in the coffin.
But as long as bailouts and nationalization fit nicely with our current government’s direction (who’s letting this perfect crisis go to waste?), who’s complaining? And if anyone does complain…Janet Napolitano has a response for that, no?
Fuck ’em. I’m moving to Texas.
Edo is the typical socialist. When he sees two groups of people, one making two much money and the other not enough, in his mind the fix is to somehow decrease the income of the first group. Me, being a new conservative/classical liberal, I see the fix as being to raise the incomes of the second group. Unfortunately standing in my way is a government which has spent the last 30 years or so making it increasingly difficult for lower/middle income earners to break through into the upper tiers due to government over regulation, excessive fees, onerous corporate taxation, archaic work rules and just a general increase in the barriers to entry.
But you see, my fix requires less government, and there’s no way Edo can stomach that, so the only answer is take.
His description is correct in #3 but they have a different name and picture with it. Perhaps to hide that he is the pseudonymous unknown #1.
But you see, my fix requires less government
Your fix also has a demonstrable history of actually working, while edo’s fix leads to economic stagnation at best, and a full-blown communist slave state at worst.
In a lifeboat full of millionaires, the guy who can make sandwiches out of thin air sells million-dollar sandwiches.
Whiners who refuse to learn how to make sandwiches, don’t last.
Whiners who refuse to learn how to make sandwiches, don’t last.
If things get bad enough, they get made into sandwiches.
Amen brother.
Oops
Barney wouldn’t say something like that. He’d sell handjobs on a lifeboat.
Too stupid to listen to what people are saying, eh?
Let me encapsulate this for you: as of October of last year, the total cost of the GWOT, including Afghanistan, was just under $900 billion. This is something our loyal opposition is understandably annoyed at. I’m annoyed at it.
Obama is going to double that in the deficit, this year alone. He’s planning on exceeding that figure next year, and the year after. He’s planning on outspending that by a factor of four over the next four years. CBO’s projections are even higher.
Really, no reason to be upset.
Take the richest person in the world…exactly what “power” does he/she have over your life?
Now take the lowest bureaucrat and ask the same question.
I see that Andy McCarthy is also a paranoid delusional type. If he weren’t, he agree with AJ Strata and CJ of Little Green Moonbats. I for one will not be swayed by his reason, facts and logic, nor will I let Jeff convince me with the meaning of the actual words in the DHS document. Instead, I will simply believe what I’m told to believe. Because when it comes right down to it, isn’t that what Chuckie and AJ and Co. are suggesting? Don’t believe your lying eyes, but rather believe what we say.
What risk, dumbass. Tell us what risk you’d be taking if someone made the fatal mistake of hiring your dumbass to be a CEO.
And there lies the truth turd. It requires no risk, ya dumb fuckin’ fuck.
You’re the unintended joke of your own foolish words.
Oh lookie! It’s big gay thor with another manly-sounding fake name and salty, butch language. Your meds are your friends freak.
How about the completely unaccountable “activists” who use government as their cudgel against the rest of us?
The “animal rights” types who are terrorizing a dog breeder for having the gall to sell to the vice-president?
The “environmentalists” who are strangling our economy by cutting off our access to energy?
The trial lawyers who punish anyone who actually does something when an idiot gets hurt. Hell, people have sued amusement parks after slipping in a puddle of water — the lawyers who take on that kind of crap are more of a threat to my liberty than a CEO who earns 200 or 200,000 times more than I do!
Then there are the government bureaucrats — the petty nobodies empowered by the left’s dreams. The type of people who dig into the tax records of someone for daring to ask an uncomfortable question of a political candidate. The kind who — at the urging of the “activists” — cite someone for the most miniscule of reasons. The law enforcement types who declared they’d conduct an investigation into anyone who criticized a certain political candidate. The creeps who conduct endless tax audits of those they find politically disagreeable.
The management at my employer has no influence over how I vote, and, once I leave the office, no influence over how I live. The people you want to empower — out of fear of those managers — have inordinate influence and demand more.
Anybody who has ever dealt with a local township with regards to building permits understands completely the concept of “petty bureaucrats.”
You know, the climate owns about 95% of the weather. The other 5% being controlled by the Chinese. But, I think it’s bullshit that the climate should have so much influence on whether or not it’s going to rain on any given golf day. Why can’t I stop the rain? It’s not fair.
Well, I’m off to drive the 7.3 Diesel down the driveway to get the paper, and then I’ll leave it running to cool it off.
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Try dealing with a HOA.
I find it fascinating that all the black folks can get up, walk out of the room, look back at all the white faces remaining and conclude … racists.
Who proffered such? You’re imagination? Shareholders should, in theory, set the level of compensation for management of publicly traded companies, you simple fuck. Leveraging shareholder authority is what’s being talked about outside your loon-filled mud bunker. Shareholders put up the money to finance the company, it’s their risk capital, HICK.
You won’t last in Texas without being stomped straight.
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Woot!
Jonah Goldberg cited an email of mine on this! The second-to-last one, that ends with “a
sensationalist piece of tripe like you’d find in the New York Times”.
Is that any way to talk to your Presentdent, thor? Look at what a great job He’s doing running GM. $1.89! That’s totally affordable for the proletariat.
Anyone who does not support Obama is a nut job at best, crypto-racist at worse, under current MSM thinking.
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If Lord Jim had made the right decision…
*Weren’t you the ones who were all in favor of the Patriot Act, suspension of habeus corpus, torture, wiretapping, and Jack Bauer?*
Still for all of this actually. The irony is, conservatives are concerned about personal freedom issues when addressing the foregoing- liberals are more concerned about what the government may find out about their lifestyle choices (dude, the feds will find out about my grow house !) if their phones are tapped, internet monitored, etc.
I could care less if the government listens in on my calls home to mom from a practical perspective, if it also means the government can listen into calls from Abdullah in New York to Mohammed in Pakistan. But the government shouldn’t care about listening to me conversing with my mom, because what Abdullah is saying to Mohammed is likely far more important and dangerous for the country (unless my mom is giving me the recipe for her meatlife, which I consider a WMD).
The coolest part about Stomp/Thor’s rant is that after that evil CEO and his compliant board have run their company into the ground B.O. jumps in and rescues them with gobs of cash.
Bankruptcy is only for the little people, don’t ya know?
Don’t worry, though, Barney “Fannie and Freddie are just fine” Frank is on the job, focused on those evil CEO’s like a laser beam of Righteous Congressional Indignation.
I for one am completely opposed to Jack Bauer. Besides, he’s caught a prion and is rapidly going senile.
I think the way lefties cite fictional characters to buttress their political arguments is charming. It’s like a small child that still believes in fairies.
“After all that Lee Harvey Oswald character was a veteran and he was a staunch opponent of the Federal government.
So, you know, there is some history there…”
He was also a communist.
Kinda inconvenient for Teh Narrativeâ„¢, isn’t it?
#Comment by Incredible Hulk on 4/15 @ 7:43 am #
Please ignore the spineless little worm.
Thank you.
Comment by Pablo on 4/15 @ 8:21 am #
Please ignore the festering pustule.
Thank you.
#Comment by Eben on 4/15 @ 9:07 am #
Please ignore the drooling moron.
Thank you.
“What risk, dumbass. Tell us what risk you’d be taking if someone made the fatal mistake of hiring your dumbass to be a CEO.
And there lies the truth turd. It requires no risk, ya dumb fuckin’ fuck.
You’re the unintended joke of your own foolish words.”
You’ve never really had a job, have you.
Thor once got a job from a tranny hooker.
Unfortunately, the tranny realized an epileptic squirrel could have done a better job painting his living room, so he fired thor.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 4/15 @ 10:19 am #
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/15 @ 10:27 am #
Please ignore the retarded marmoset.
Thank you.
Well, the best, most appropriate response that I could come up with to such wisdom is “I know you are, but what am I?”
But now I feel dirty…
Maggie has a post on how to deal with retarded marmosets.
In the age of TrollHammer, NOB, your “please ignore” comments are beyond annoying.
When you label someone, you force their backs to the wall. They can either choose to kill you and save themselves, or they can meekly surrender. Do we sound meek to you, Democrats? Do we look meek to you?
So put the tar away now, before it’s too late for you.
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Moby on aisle 285.
My response will be to taunt them again, in very Pythonesque manner.
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As long as the money stays in private hands, I have no problem with it. Vast wealth in private hands creates value and wealth. Vast amounts of money in public hands creates misery for private citizens.Wealthy people tend to create jobs that don’t cost me anything.
Re: #2 And they marvel that guns & ammo sales are through the roof.
I was shooting at the local gun store/range yesterday and ran across a sight that near brought a tear to my eye. A group of three young professional types came into the store, Liberal Seattlites by their dress and affect, and though they had zero experience with guns..not even the most basic skills.. they all wanted to purchase handguns and get instruction as to how to use them.
Nothing seems to bring the right wing out of the left so much as the threat of losing their own given rights rather than just giving away other peoples rights…
The founding fathers WERE rightwing extremists. They believed in a near pure form of capitalism. These days, “moderation” comes of being in favor of something approaching an equal split between capitalism and socialism.
I consider myself a right wing extremist as well. And there is nothing wrong with being extremely right, so fuck the DHS.
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I’d feel sorry for you guys if I weren’t familiar with the pervasive homophobia, misogyny, and racism of the Protein Wisdom blog–let alone the embarrassing weeniness. Jeff has the political trajectory all wrong. This is how it works. “Mainstream” conservatives like Karl Rove and William Kristol got everything wrong during the Bush years, were wiped out in two elections, and lost the ability to define conservativism. After the end of Bush’s second term, culturally marginalized conservatives like Rush Limbaugh (at about the same ideological location as Protein Wisdom) began to outstrip the “mainstream” in efforts to define post-Bush conservativism. Seeing an opportunity to improve their own position, the Obama people helped the process of conservative self-marginalization along by calling attention to Limbaugh. Wasn’t that clever of them? Once Rush showed that he was stronger than Republican officials like Michael Steele or that guy from George, the door then opened for the highly marginalized Ayn Randers, one worlders, secessionists,and conspiracy theorists to gain prominence in response to Obama’s budget. Now, a lot of the really marginal types of conservativism have become party of the mainstream conservative discussion. It’s the same situation that would have occurred on the left if people like William Ayres really did have as much influence on Obama as the right was claiming.
As Jeff points out in the top post, people like myself have been able to stigmatize “mainstream conservatives” as being either bizarre, bigoted, arrogant, or some other combination of unattractive qualities. But Jeff forgot to mention that all of those stigmas gained currency because mainstream conservatives provided so much evidence of their unfitness for governing–or much of anything else. Moreover, now that “mainstream” figures like Rick Perry and Tom DeLay are blathering about secession, there doesn’t seem to be much difference between mainstream conservatism and the conspiracy theory extreme represented by Michele Bachmann or Glenn Beck. Bachmann and Beck are such obvious examples of self-caricaturing right-wing extremists that the damning thing a left-wing critic like myself can do with their statements is quote them.
This brings me to the Department of Homeland Security Report. I thought it was a poorly done piece of crap myself. But really, how far are the conspiracy theorists and one-worlders on the increasingly prominent Glenn Beck/Michele Bachmann/Newsmax fringe from the conspiracy theorists and one-worlders in the Rich Poplawski, neo-nazi, neo-confederate, survivalist, skinhead, even more marginal fringe? I still see a clear difference but the gap is obviously narrowing and people like Glenn Beck are playing footsie with rationalizing mass murder.
So what should conservatives do? Personally, I think that Cal Thomas is right and conservatives should go back to their bibles or other sacred texts and find the real meaning of Jesus or the God-figure of your choice. It’s a far more noble and worthwhile endeavor than mucking around in politics with people like me.
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Get over yourself, Prof. You are an indecent little person who lusts to carry the whip. Socialists and fascists are basically cowards because the idea of dealing with people on a voluntary basis scares the shit out of you. That’s why cunt Susan Roesgen had to try and browbeat people she was ostensibly interviewing and why you can’t do anything but be a classroom tryant in a faux arena of study.
Why so bitter Darleen? I remember a couple of years ago when you assured me that Protein Wisdom was nowhere near as bigoted and vicious as people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. But now, Ann Coulter columns look welcoming and light-hearted compared to the gang at Protein Wisdom.
But enough of that.
Maybe you can help me resolve this chicken/egg conundrum all the bigotry that comes out in Protein Wisdom. Does the fact that so many of you are so bitter stem from your various forms of bigotry or does the bigotry originate from the fact that you’re such bitter people.
Or maybe it all mixes together.
Anyway, have your people call my people. We’ll do lunch sometime.
The only bigotry, Prof, is between your own pointed ears.
Rejection of collectivism is not bigotry. Racism is a province of the Left.
I’m not bitter, but I am frustrated, because your ilk is out to take away my children and my grandchildren’s American heritage.
No, you just write bitter. I had to laugh at the “racism is a province of the Left” comment. Gee, all those millions of African-American and Hispanic people who think conservatives are racists must not be able to evaluate their own experiences. Since you’ve probably read conservative books like The Bell Curve, you’d try to explain such mass lack of comprehension through reference to lower IQ scores. But I assume you think that that still wouldn’t make you a racist.
At least in your own mind.
I would definitely worry about losing your heritage of rejecting collectivism as your giant health insurance bureaucracy is replaced by a government bureaucracy, your elaborate environmental regulations are made marginally more elaborate, and your giant financial services company gets more thoroughly regulated to keep them from blowing up the global economy again.
Yeah Darleen. You’ve been living a life free from “collectivist” entanglements, a genuine state of nature protected by conservative government. And now that’s all going to be lost. What, pray tell, will you do with yourself?
But whatever you do, I’m sure you won’t over-react.
Say, Ric: did you ever run across any actual black people down there in the Whitest County in the Entire World?
And what makes The Whitest Man in the World think that he can presume to speak for all black people, anyway? Doesn’t that seem a little…condescending?
Anyone else get the sense that Ric C. is the kind of academic who’s ultra-sympathetic to the Plight of the Black Man in a theoretical way, but crosses the street when he sees a black person IRL?
cite?
I see you’re still retarded, Perfesser.
I had to laugh at the “racism is a province of the Left†comment. Gee, all those millions of African-American and Hispanic people who think….
….exactly alike? Is that what you are implying?
Idiot.
(Adopting my “telling my daughters a fairy tale” voice) Yes, B Moe. Even with all the diversity within African-Americans sub-groups, there’s broad agreement that people on the right are racists, “white supremacists,” “don’t like black people,” “don’t care about black people,” etc. etc. You see, that’s why 96% of African-American voters voted for Obama and against the candidate of the conservative party, John McCain. It’s also why the African-American vote for Democratic candidates hasn’t fallen below 87% since at least 1984 and there were only 36 black delegates to the 2008 Republican convention.
Just out of curiosity, has Protein Wisdom ever done a post on discrimination against African-Americans, the tasering of African-Americans by police, racial violence against African-Americans, unjust prison sentences or any of the other themes that are popular in the African-American blogs?
The same point applies in relation to anti-Hispanic sentiment and the Hispanic vote. Making a long story short there, Hispanic voters went for Obama by a 2 to 1 margin (pretty extraordinary to have even that much uniformity of opinion in a group). Do you think that had anything to do with all the anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic sentiment in the Republican Party and among conservatives–you know, all the talk about sending 11 million illegal immigrants back to their homes, the failure of Hispanic immigrants to “assimilate,” and “English only” that comes from the right. Any chance of that?
I’ve only followed Protein Wisdom sporadically since the election. So maybe I’ve missed all the sweetness and light emanating from this blog. But I had always joked before the election that Protein Wisdom was the “bitter asshole blog.” Since the election, it seems to me that you guys have ramped up the bitterness even more–to what point I’m not sure.
I would respond to Caric, but he prolly won’t be back anyway, so what would be the point?
But I had always joked before the election that Protein Wisdom was the “bitter asshole blog.â€
Huh, I’d think you would consider Protein Wisdom “the blog that actually has readers.” I mean, in comparison to yours.