Welcome to the New World Order, to be introduced using AGW and “climate change” as it’s Trojan Horse:
A United Nations document on “climate change” that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body.
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In the stultifying language that is normal for important U.N. conclaves, the negotiators are known as the “Ad Hoc Working Group On Further Commitments For Annex I Parties Under the Kyoto Protocol.” Yet the consequences of their negotiations, if enacted, would be nothing short of world-changing.
Getting that deal done has become the United Nations’ highest priority, and the Bonn meeting is seen as a critical step along the path to what the U.N. calls an “ambitious and effective international response to climate change,” which is intended to culminate at the later gathering in Copenhagen.
Just how ambitious the U.N.’s goals are can be seen, but only dimly, in the note obtained by FOX News, which offers in sparse detail both positive and negative consequences of the tools that industrial nations will most likely use to enforce the greenhouse gas reduction targets.
The paper makes no effort to calculate the magnitude of the costs and disruption involved, but despite the discreet presentation, makes clear that they will reverberate across the entire global economic system.
[…] outside the Bonn process, other experts have been much more blunt about the draconian nature of the measures they deem necessary to make “effective” greenhouse gas reductions.
In an influential but highly controversial paper called “Key Elements of a Global Deal on Climate Change,” British economist Nicholas Lord Stern, formerly a high British Treasury official, has declared that industrial economies would need to cut their per capita carbon dioxide emissions by “at least 80% by 2050,” while the biggest economies, like the U.S.’s, would have to make cuts of 90 percent.
Stern also calls for “immediate and binding” reduction targets for developed nations of 20 percent to 40 percent by 2020.
To meet Stern’s 2050 goals, he says, among other things, “most of the world’s electricity production will need to have been decarbonized.”
Yeah. Like no one saw that coming. The problem is, we’ve now voted in the very people who could succeed in finally making it happen: Transnational progressivism realized, with a concomitant end to such “nativist” ideas as sovereignty, and such “socially unjust” ideas as an unequal distribution of wealth.
We are coming perilously close to the brink here. And the sad thing is, with a “Living Constitution,” I’m no longer sure it is impossible for us to legally cede control of our own democratic republic to European bureaucrats — nor am I even sure the majority of Americans would notice, or even care, so long as they believed they were helping a family of water fowl survive man’s unjust raping of the earth.
(h/t Mike)
But its what feels good that matters. And sitcoms. And whatever the TV tells us to think/ buy/ ware this week.
No need to worry. Timmy geitner will have a seat at the table so everything is fine and dandy. What’s to worry about?
Say, did you hear rush limbaugh got divorced? THREE times? Did you hear that? Did ya?
These guys are so fucking stupid it’s not even funny. Seriously, the clueless are inheriting the earth. Once they got people to swallow the notion that carbon dioxide, for fuck’s sake, is bad for the environment, it was all over.
You know what I say to the U.N.? FUCK YOU!! Not really suprising, I’ll bet.
OUTLAW!!
That does it. The first fucking bluejay I see on my backyard fence gets whacked. And I’m gonna burn some coal. Just to see it burn. Not for the heat.
But, you’re right. This was the whole reason for the “global warming” scare campaign. I share your concern. Maybe the American experiment is over? No, not yet.
I sure hope the Pragmatic Republicans are still fucking happy about their John McCain and “losing with honor”.
“Appealing to the middle” sure did us a hell of a lot of good…
This article from the NYT about Freeman Dyson is interesting to read in light of the AGW New World Order proposals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?ref=magazine
It’s funny what Jim Hansen, the former NASA AGW nutjob, thinks about Dyson. Dyson scares the hell out of him because he knows that Dyson can do the math and show what complete bullshit artists both Hansen and Gore have become.
I wonder if the very concept of a “Living Constitution” has to do with anything that’s been discussed around here the last few years.
“Original intent” as a legal concept? Not very pragmatic and possibly offensive to the political middle, I suppose.
I’m sorry Jeff, you’ll need to rewrite and resubmit this post without use of scare quotes around “climate change.” Climate change is received truth, and if you wish to enter this debate, you must abide by the rules of a couple of guys over there. The ones giggling like schoolgirls looking at an illustration of a penis in their anatomy book.
Also, no use of the letter E. That privilege is reserved for progressives.
There are not many things the French do right: wine, cheese, nuclear power, blue-water catamarans, appeasement, and “suburban discontent” are among the winners.
But above any of these is the Gallic tradition of promising the world and delivering jack shit when it comes to international agreements.
I say that Obama should cheerfully sign us up, and Congress should cheerfully ratify it, and the United States should cheerfully report our complete failure to comply each year from now ’til 2050.
If, at the same time, we can work up a sneering contempt for those unenlightened plebes in the world who refuse to play along, we’ll truly have earned our place among the French.
Ya want a good laugh?
Here’s a blast from the past, Noami Wolf telling us Bush is bringing about the end of America.
Jeez I miss Bush…
Oh, and wrecking Greenpeace boats. The French are awesome at that, too.
Isn’t there supposed to be a social contract, I didn’t sign up for this shit. With respect to Jeff’s last paragraph, if those comrades changed the rules of the game, what is our exit strategy? Is there even a feasible way to break from this living constitution, that can be bent and changed at the will of the majority, back to the original intent.
#6 Tman,
What do you mean “become”? When has Al Gore ever been anything other than a complete bullshit artist?
On that note, when has James Hansen ever been anything other than a grant-seeking political fraud?
oh, well, here comes fascism. It was a great country while it lasted.
I keep forgetting about that. They aren’t all bad.
Can we safely assume that the “Ad Hoc Working Group On Further Commitments For Annex I Parties Under the Kyoto Protocol” continues to exempt China and India from any and all restrictions? Because if they do not, this thing is going nowhere. US negotiators (especially Obama’s) may be easily cowed and beaten into submission, but the Chinese will have none of it, I’ll guarantee it.
This is getting frightening.
People, people. Where’s your sense of global citizenship? Dynasties aren’t fair, especially since we cheated, on account of teh freedom and rule of law. We’re one of 190!!!
In honor of pragmatic republicans everywhere, I am picking my battles and declaring that while I do not want obama to fail in general, I do want him and the dirty, socialist UN to fail in their efforts to create a new world order where us sovereignty is meaningless and our free enterprise system is crippled entirely. While I realize this may be perceived as racist, I just have to go with my gut on this one.
My racist gut.
Bye, “Cameron”.
By the way, Cameron, your dullwitted opinions on scientific matters would be a lot more credible if you exhibited basic numeracy.
What the fuck is “%99”?
Cite?
oh, good, I needed some bunnies this afternoon. 99% it’s SCIENCE!
Cameron, it won’t be Blue Helmet Nazis. It will just be increased taxes, increased energy costs, and lower standard of living for everyone except people like Al Gore. You know, the people who really care about the planet. The will be no physical force involved.
Remember, the new fascists wear a smiley face.
SBP, it’s not pragmatic to make fun of the dyslectic.
In fact, I wish it were Blue Helmet Nazis…at least you could fight that.
I’m brewing a hell of a conspiracy theory about Soros, GE/NBC, that jackass with the windmills who owns all the natural gas (name escapes me, but he made his own commercials), Algore, Obama and the rest of the top of the Democrat Party.
I fully recognize that the UN doesn’t give a crap about the economies or the citizens of Western nations. I also recognize that both the UN and a significant chunk of the AGW evangelists don’t really care whether any of this nonsense either emasculates our sovereignty or causes economic hardship on the working classes of said countries. After all, they are trying to save the planet, here, and if we can chop the knees out from under capitalism and move a tidy sum of cash to poorer countries, so be it.
That having been said, there is very little chance that this will come to pass.
Ultimately, regardless of Hanson, Gore, Obams, the UN and all of the sniveling scientists who think of the human population as Gaea’s pustule to be lanced and drained, people eventually scream the loudest about their wallets. No amount of hype, scare tactics or obfuscation will be able to hide the fact that this is going to cost a ginormous amount of money and it’s going to largely come from the Western nations whose citizenry will, ultimately, storm the ramparts to prevent this catastrophe from unfolding. They may pass some kind of “protocol” but even the European nations, for the most part, haven’t come close to meeting their Kyoto numbers.
Not to mention the fact that China, Brazil and India will be firmly planted extending two big middle fingers to the UN and the rest of the simpering alarmists.
pickens
I think Cameron might have had a blue helmet in his fist when he wrote that comment.
T. Boone Pickens, who wants us taxpayers to pay for the high-voltage transmission lines from his wind farms.
I don’t want to have to rely on China and India to save our sovereignty, BJ. So whether it comes to pass or not, the real issue here is that WE (meaning, the hardcore leftist base that has assumed a mandate) are evidently in support of it.
Assuming your thesis to be true BJT, doesn’t that indicate something all the more interesting about the UN and its ideological drivers being captured by this idea to begin with? On its face, it seems to me, we would have to understand that they are utterly out of touch with the world, taking world here to mean, what is the case and in the final analysis, what will be the case. Or to put it more simply, it indicates that they are lost.
Cameron must have read the Alinsky post before coming here. I double dare him to cite any international organization where 99% of the members agree to … well … anything!
Now we all live in a yellow submarine.
European.
Sorry. I convert Euros all day.
It’s the currency of the future.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, Jeff. I’m more than happy to stand with the Outlaws, left middle finger extended, right hand holding a bat. I believe that the citizenry of this country will simply not put up with this sort of redistribution/robbery no matter how Obama frames the argument.
It’s a gonna cost me a lot more of my money? PISS OFF!
I think they know what they’re doing.
He’ll frame it as helping owls and saving trees.
And the media will have his back, just to see if they can.
“Cameron must have read the Alinsky post before coming here. I double dare him to cite any international organization where 99% of the members agree to … well … anything!”
You’ve been punk’d, BJT-F. He wrote %99 so he doesn’t anything to prove. You do!
Sorry. I convert Euros all day.
Sorry. You are a clumsy liar.
And an innumerate.
Excuse me…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. whew
Cameron,
Do you ever stop to wonder why people like Tyson and Lomborg think that there are more pressing issues like clean water and malaria eradication than trying to offset a natural climate process?
And of course you spoke up when Republicans were doing that and more.
I don’t know, Tman, aren’t all paleoconservationists wingnuts?
Yes.
Ah, a bit of the old political tension, eh Cameron? Because surely the cure for spending and pissing away your sovereignty is more spending and pissing away your sovereignty.
And science!
Cameron, you’re in the wrong place. True classical liberals have had problems with republicans for a long time. Go back to converting your precious Euros, but don’t worry about the rotting inside of the EU, with these new energy policies, everyone’s population will have to be in decline.
So Cameron, speaking of blind partisanship, how’s that going, anyway?
It’s almost like the power brokers aren’t listening to us voters and all. Damn Republicans.
this is a wonderful time I think to gaze again in wonder at the wondrousness of unified dirty socialist theory I think…
baby trees!
oh the places we’ll go
Actually, Cameron, you have just lied out of your ass. There is NOT ONE instance you can cite outside of MoveOn.org or other lying Leftist rag of the Republicans doing anything like this.
Kiss my ass, liar.
Whatchu talkin bout, Live Free?
Folks, don’t you have a NASCAR rally or something to attend to?
I’m trying to get back on the Journalist’s Monthly What Obama Means To Me Poetry Slam and this is certainly not helpful.
I hear all you plebes like the aerial hunting of wolves? Could I entice you to that with a modest bribe? Granted I’ve just taken a 50 percent pay cut from Mr. Arthur Schlessinger but I still do bring home a pretty penny. At least until our NYT stock options fall to zero. The upcoming media bailout (oh you haven’t heard?) should more than cover your expenses.
Dyson scares the hell out of him because he knows that Dyson can do the math and show what complete bullshit artists both Hansen and Gore have become.
A lot of people can do the math. It’s just the Dyson already has gravitas going (I mean, there was a Dyson Sphere in ST:TNG!), whereas Steve McIntyre is just a guy in Canada who isn’t even a climatologist.
It’s all part of a vast global conspiracy that seems to involve %99 of a scientific community.
Is this the same scientific community whose livelihood depends on receiving government grants, and who have discovered much to their delight that you are more likely to get funding if you predict the End of the World?
The one who knows damn good and well that An Inconvenient Truth is riddled with untruths, exaggerations, and false data and yet doesn’t object to its being shown to kindergarteners?
The one that ostracizes and shouts down any of their peers who try to blow the whistle on their glorious racket?
The one that has the protection of political entities who find AGW to be a lovely set of coattails on which to ride to increased control of the global economy?
THAT scientific community?
That having been said, there is very little chance that this will come to pass.
You would have said the same thing if I’d told you six months ago that Congress would pass a bill to tax 90% of the bonuses of a named set of individuals–only a few short weeks after they’d authorized those same bonuses.
Why?
No amount of hype, scare tactics or obfuscation will be able to hide the fact that this is going to cost a ginormous amount of money and it’s going to largely come from the Western nations whose citizenry will, ultimately, storm the ramparts to prevent this catastrophe from unfolding.
Unless it hits our pocketbooks fast and hard (and it won’t; the frog will be boiled slowly), there will be no storming of the ramparts.
Unless those Tea Parties resolve to occupy the Capitol until congress stops hurting us, there will be no running this thing back.
Will cameron ever provide a cite? Like evah? But do tell me about the “and more” part of #46, cam? Can I call you cam?
I think the momentum of the Obama-radical left wing in government is slowing and coming to an end. I don’t know if that’s true or not but I suspect it is. Certainly the wind is rapidly coming out of the AGW sails.
Thanks Hap, Spiny
T. Boone Pickens, who wants us taxpayers to pay for the high-voltage transmission lines from his wind farms.
He wants to convert all the coal plants and busses to natural gas too, can’t imagine why.
I’d like to have all public transportation to run off of my urine, which I will sell for the low price of $2 per quart. If the damn Republicans in congress would just get on the boat and realize how much carbon we could take out of the atmosphere by running mass transit on Cookie urine and approve a Manhattan project to figure out the technology. Those bastards.
Freeman Dyson also developed the awesomely arousing idea for the Orion propulsion system for spacecraft… the size of skyscrapers. In fact, the larger the better. Propelled by successive nuclear explosions striking a damped pusher plate, it could have achieved efficiencies reaching outer space undreamed of to this day. Way fucking cool… and an extra bonus is all the radioactive debris left behind by the operation of the device. Not a bug, a feature… It would make hippies mad, so I’m all for it.
Man, the quality of Trolls these days has taken a dive.
*bangs head against desk*
Howz it feel to have no concrete basis for what you believe, Cameron?
Missed this one, did you Cameron?
Oh sure, Sdferr. Play unfair.
Anybody but me think Cameron sounds a lot like actus?
As this shit gets crazier, will the trolls get louder to drown it out?
#61
Nah. You can protest too. It’s in the constitution! The right to peacably assemble is in the amendment number one in The Bill of Rights thing. Check it out.
Anybody but me think Cameron sounds a lot like actus?
That was my thought as well.
Yea Cameron, ’cause dicentra was talking about going in there with guns a’blazin. I think what D was talking about was a march on washington, like a page out of your playbook, Leftard
drip, drip ,drip
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Nothing radical about that, router. Or this.
And this is positively pedestrian.
Some of you forget that protest and peaceful assembly are for speaking truth to power. Lies and hate are not free speech. Or something like that anyway, I’m a little distracted as I’m trying to prepare a delicious vegan meal, listen to Pacifica Radio AND clean the house for our group discussion on the heteronormative oppression inherent in the use of anatomically accurate dildos in the free-thinking lesbian-bisexual-transgendered community.
I can imagine that such a treaty would be ratified by as many US Senators as ratified the Kyoto Treaty. And, unlike Bill Clinton’ treatment of Kyoto, I can also imagine Pres. Obama submitting such a treaty to the US Senate.
The entertainment value should be fun.
Speaking of fun, it would be entertaining to attack art galleries and theaters and Hollywood itself for their contributions to global warming – all of these vast buildings need to be heated and cooled! All of these firey explosions and car chases! What about Gaia, you selfish bastards?
Did Jackson Pollack use lead based paint? Get it out of here now! For the children! And Gaia!
What about that artist who gives himself paint enemas, then squats over the canvas?
Methane, heavy metals, and hydrocarbon solvents all in one orgy of Gaia-raping!
With respect to JH’s link at 74, anyone know any good training to prep for working at a salt mine?
Yes. Maybe it’s just me, but “resolve to occupy the Capitol” sounds a tad more extreme than “peaceful assembly”.
true but are there any assassinate the messiah plays or books coming out?
“Yes. Maybe it’s just me”
Always a safe assumption.
It is just you. Fancy that.
i think we should help the O! by joining his brigades wearing our brown shirts and going door to door and explaining the O!’s agenda: hiel O!
that gov’t entity has a flexible position on people who call for the death of a president? and “increasing” measured by whom?
I’d help take over the Capitol but I’m thinking taking over the NYU cafeteria or a tree at UCBerkeley to thwart the imperialist athletic department would have more symbolic truthiness. Is that correct Cameron? We’re sort of amateurs at all this since we’re the muscle and you guys are the brains.
“Cookie Urine” just signed with Relapse Records.
Not Cameron’s English teacher.
well, and you’d have to fight the Code Pinkos for it. Nobody seems to mind them “occupying the Capitol” oh yeah, Barney Frank did get a little testy with them the other day.
I recall it was described as “unprecedented”. The Secret Service took it quite seriously.
by whom or who and provide a link because some loser “english major” working for the msm isn’t a reliable source.
yea the ss found that palin smear to be a palin smear.
No, but the Secret Service stepped in early to respond to increasing death threats well before Obama was elected.
Ah, Cameron, we know that game. Pick some whacked-out fringe group that no responsible person on the right, middle, or left wants to know, and focus, focus, focus on them as being the typical representative of the vast right-wing conspiracy.
There’s a tax cheat in charge of the Secret Service now, no?
or was that one of those ones moved under Homeland Security?
yup. Homeland Security. Since 2003. Nobody tells me anything.
Looks like Homeland Security.
yup. Homeland Security. That’s Secretary Napolitano to you, buddy. Secretary Napolitano wants us to move past the politics of fear so she’s all about calling acts of terrorism “man caused disasters.” It’s important, what you call things, to Janet.
ben & jerry’s has a new flavor
i’m sure many nuts in it
Have you taken a good look at her, router? I doubt many nuts…
Oh. Nevermind.
She has a skunk’s ass what is on her head. It’s very fetching.
Yes. Maybe it’s just me, but “resolve to occupy the Capitol†sounds a tad more extreme than “peaceful assemblyâ€.
We’d sit in the hallways and the chambers, playing UNO and charades and having a wonderful time while the critters can’t get in to vote on anything else that hurts us.
#80
Oh. You mean like Lois Farakhan’s ‘million man march’? You’re just against it when conservatives do it?
“resolve to occupy the Capitolâ€
Uh. It is OUR capitol after all, isn’t it?
“Ad Hoc Working Group On Further Commitments For Annex I Parties Under the Kyoto Protocolâ€
Sorry, I took an oath to support and defend the Consitution of the Untied States. Wrong document.
As for worrying about Blue Helmets – heh. They either stand aside (Rawanda) when any icky violence may happen or actively help the folks using violence (Srbencia) or are too busy taking bribes and raping kids (Congo). I saw my first lot of ’em up close at Peaceshield ’03 [Yavoriv, Ukraine] when we were trying to get some of them UN “certified” – Gawd, what a joke that was.
Fuckin’ UN…when I lived in Laos there was a brothel near my house. Every night I would see a white landrover with the UNICEF logo on it.
I’m with the good LTC, my oath is to the Constitution, not some trans-national organization.
I love the Beatles; in ’69 I was 13. The lyrics of nearly all of their songs are embedded firmly in my memory. But there are two songs that within the first couple of notes force me to change channels. The first is Imagine and the second is Lou Reeds’ A Walk on The Wild Side.
i’m with algore: the end is near
It’s all part of a vast global conspiracy that seems to involve %99 of a scientific community.
No, it’s %100 because you are not a “Climate Scientist” unless you support the 100% ass-backward Dogma that they call “science”.
5100
Please ignore the “5100” – I have no idea where it came from. If it shows up again, I’m calling Ghost Busters.
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So if I’m reading you all correctly, it has now occurred to you that the BIG EARED MARXIST DIMWIT meant what he said and heard all these years.
From Alinsky “rules” for radicals, To Boom Boom Ayers, to bag man thanks for the house Tony Rezko to NO NO NO NO GOD DAMN AMERIKKKA, to seeking out the most MARXIST Professors he could find, to his working for ACORN to “SPREADING THE WEALTH” , more than half of this country looked the other way.
Question; What the fuck do MARXISTS do when they gain power??
Inflate and Tax, and take control. They rid the country of it’s Capitalists and make everyone drive shitty ladas and eat pumpernickel.
How the FUCK can anyone be surprised. The OBAMA hand book was there for any one to see.
I think it occurred to me much earlier than today, libocrat.
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@116
OUTLAW
2010 cannot come soon enough.
Clean out congress and get us out of the UN.
Refusing to supply demographic information to the census will be fun, too.
The UN’s climate fetish is making the John Birchers look prescient.
And since blocking flouridated drinking water has now become a “centrist” position (my radical lefty neighbors sponsored the committee that blocked Flagstaff’s flouridation campaign – my dentist calls it “job security for dentists), Birch’ll be mainstreamed before this year is out.
What once was whacky is now the vanguard.
I wasn’t aware there were any NASCAR rallys. Where? They got neat chicks.
#119 – we are living in really, really odd times, aren’t we?
It’s amazing how many people refuse to see evidence that is placed before them.
Absent all the political rectitude and diplomatic immunity, the UN would be dismantled for the criminal conspiracy that it is. OFF, baby raping peace keepers, embezzlement, how much evidence do you need?
The quote at the Kennedy funeral should have started: “Some people see the world as it is not..”
Self delusion. It did the Jews no good in Germany.
I just want to make an observation.
Cameron is a douchnozzle.
Thank you.
I’ll go spread the Weed and Feed now before it rains.
…to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies…
I suppose we need to email all our Congressmen copies of the Thirteenth Amendment.
You and your frickin constitution Bmoe. Where the fuck do you think you are?
Kansas.
Well then.
Oh, you want to hold a rally then? And five hundred people may show up? Why, you’re going to need a permit and insurance for that. Wouldn’t want anything untoward to take place. Oh, then canceled, you say? Oh, ok.
I would not want the Capitol occupied. Bad, bad precedent. The Left does things like that, to intimidate and circumvent.
To be honest, I see the biggest problem as being there aren’t enough lampposts available for us to hang all the people who are in dire need of it…
It’s been adversely occupied by Congress since it was first built.