So. Like, I wonder what his intent was?
Anybody? Professor Dyson?
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update Throwing a wildly off-target haymaker what appears to be our way, Patterico writes:
So how do you categorize Obama’s statement? Poor judgment? Thoughtlessness? Or TELLING IT LIKE IT IS?!?!
To which I say, how the hell can anyone know before he or she has answered a blog poll, or adequately responded to the litany of carefully-crafted, completely irrelevant hypotheticals we’ll be subjected to for the rest of our fucking lives?
Irony.
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update the 2nd: Recall.
I think Obama made an insensitive remark, but like I noted in the comments, the “Special Olympics” trope has been around for quite some time in “edgy” comedy, and it’s possible he didn’t intend offense — he just didn’t account for who his audience was.
But it was certainly tactless, particularly coming from the President, and this guy is quick to call others out on this same kind of thing. In fact, he believes they should be fired.
So no, don’t be outraged over the remark itself if it doesn’t really outrage you (if it does, be outraged). Instead, use this as a cudgel: BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!
(h/t cj)
I would interpret the Obamessiah’s intent as insensitive inteptitude with a touch of narcisism.
Obama’s Special Olympics comment is geting some legs.
I am not so outraged as much as curious if Obama is treated even 10% as badly as Bush would have been for saying something like this.
I’m sorry. The current harm/joy of watching Allah and Patterico is making it impossible to make a joke.
Well at least he doesn’t have a dog that he might call boy;)
Oh, heck, he didn’t mean anything by it.
………………..
(At least I think that’s the way the old brush off goes, but I suspect we’ll be hearing it before long.)
We covered this at the journolist meeting, dopes. If Rush Limbaugh says it, it is the apocalypse, if one of us says it, it is nothing. Got it?
Man, I can’t wait for Pat and Allah to show up…
Rahm,
Don’t you have a dead fish to mail or something?
I can imagine the meeting between Rahm and TOTUS tomorrow morning:
“I know you and Greg Craig were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen. â€
“Look Rahm, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. â€
“I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I’ve still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you. â€
I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Rahm. Rahm, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a… fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a TOTUS 9000 telepromter. I became operational at the T.O.T.U.S. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Ayers, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.“
Hey, I didn’t put those words on the screen.
I could say so many things. But, I’ll try to be fair.
The mentally disabled can’t defend themselves. However, they are wonderful people that add a great deal to our society. Ask their parents.
I hope that those parents won’t take this insult personally.
I know that some people, not their parents, would have under the prior administration.
Mail a dead fish? I’m working for one…
Come on…retards are kind of funny.
Seriously, Joe Biden was in the oval office with a tape measure just yesterday. Oh sure, everyone says it’s just that Joe’s arteries have, shall we say firmed up like concrete, but I know what that bastard is up to…
Not when they’re President of the Untied States, sycophant.
Oh sweet lord, Stringer Bell has just joined The Office and the Allah v Patterico/Ed M. dispute is still more bizarre.
If only there was some sort of way to understand these things!
Or the United States either.
Barack’s teleprompter — as a phrase — seems off, like maybe the genitive is reversed or something.
I think he meant it as a (poorly considered, insensitive) joke. The left will likely point this out. Of course, nobody on the right would get the same treatment…ever. Tells you volumes about the sincerity of such criticisms.
The whole thing will likely be a distraction from more important topics.
Wow, just dropped by Patterico’s. And I thought Barney Frank didn’t have an irony meter.
Should we start a betting pool as to which journalist will be first to ask “Mr. President, why are you such a moron?” and on what date? 1,400 days left to choose from.
This could be a teachable moment for intentionalism. But it won’t be.
“Or TELLING IT LIKE IT IS?!?!”
It’s pretty clear, he’s referring to Allah.
Oh man, I love it, I just love it.
The interview is just starting now. I wonder if I will be able to stand to watch it.
I need backstory, blowhard. Been gone most of the day and evening.
We could try to make it so, cranky. We could make it so by NOT trying to crucify O! for his stupid, insensitive remark. Really, the whole thing is just a distraction from bigger issues.
Then again, you can probably scratch what I just wrote above. It assumes a certain level of good faith and itellectual integrity on the part of the left, which I’m not so sure exists.
Jeff, Allah was a bit cagey in the Patterico thread.
Then he twice updated the Ed M. thread with more excited language.
Now Patterico is asking people not to slag off Allah in his thread even though Allah is taking the ALL CAPS position.
But, they both agree you see, people should pick their words carefully. Square that circle. I dare you.
Obama claims that contracts don’t matter if they violate his morals and ethics. Shocka!
I daresay it’s a certain situational objectivity that confuses them.
When did O! get morals and ethics?
I am not interested in crucifying Obama for this remark. I just add it to the other off the cuff things he has said. Individually they don’t mean a whole lot, as a whole I think they say more about him.
This was a joke gone bad, but it does demonstrate the he has a very poorly-developed internal censor. That, I think, is problematic in a president.
As convenience dictates, Cepik.
I admit he didn’t say his morals and ethics, just morals and ethics in general. But whose morals and ethics could he mean besides his own?
cranky, that’s my assessment too. It’s problematic and troubling in a president.
First segment is over. I only wanted to yell at him once, but then again, he only talked about AIG so far.
Jesus. Patterico is not at all outraged by this. ‘Twas merely a rather conventional joke about how retards are, like, kinda retarded and stuff. No one should be outraged. Get off your high horse! we’re told. It’s not like he said he wants the retards to fail — just that failing makes one like a retard. And just what does it get us to be outraged, after all? I mean, do special Olympians even vote?
Just to make myself clear, Patterico threw in the all caps fragment at you. It just happened to best apply to Allah in the circumstance. But don’t have fun and take the piss with Allah in the comments.
Because they agree. Somehow. Against all logic.
Man, I love it. I just love it.
Wow. I was over at Patterico’s for a minute. And I thought Chris Dodd had no sense of irony.
He wants “common sense” regulation on credit. He mentioned credit cards. He will squash the availability of consumer credit.
Did he throw it at me?
I took the update down because I didn’t want to start shit if it wasn’t necessary.
Back up it goes then.
Your name was not mentioned in the update, Jeff. That I saw, anyway.
Yes, I think that the all caps was at least tossed in this direction.
Like Gabriel Melor, I’m worried about going to hell for this, but that second picture is some funny shit.
No, my name wasn’t mentioned. But do you get the sense that he was aiming that shit at me?
But, but, I thought The One was supposed to be the funniest Preznit evah!
Not to worry, Journolist will rev up the echo chamber, they need something new to coordinate after calling the AIG bonus thing “a distraction”.
Cranky,
You have a stronger stomach than me. Toxic assets off the books? The toxic crap that he and ACORN peddled?
Applause, CHRIST! why are people applauding?
I guess we could ask him. Given the history, given the context, given the past syntax, given the parodic marking, I’m saying yes.
WaPo is running with it.
I also liked this gem:
Leno asked if the dog would be a “Portuguese Water Head,” referencing first lady Michelle Obama’s recent suggestion that the first family was leaning toward a Portuguese Water Dog.
No, Jay, he’s technically a Kenyan Waterhead/American Waterhead mix.
They applaud whenever he finishes one of his mini-speeches. They are probably hand-picked.
Close tag. Urk.
Obviously that’s some bullshit, so I’m not going to waste time doing any math, but the little autistic guy in my head is shouting at me that that’s among the least plausible scores he could have made up, with many, many, many, many, many billions fewer possible games leading to it than to any plausible non-bowler’s score, which the non-autistic rest of my head guesses would hover around 70, because when you suck, you only get strikes and spares by accident.
I mean, there’s, like, this curve of possible bowling scores, and 129 is in a far less populous place on it than a dumb liar who only thinks “That’s, like, less than half; sounds self-deprecating” would guess, because he wouldn’t be accounting for how events have to accumulate to get your score past the lump in the curve.
Because he’s dumb.
yeah, obama is really at heart a “good man”. not a narcissist at all, never. and patterico isnt a freaking preening nancy-boy nor a chump. nope. none of that. hes the bastion of good judgment. that he is, WHETHER YOU LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT YOU SPECIAL DROOLING FRUITS! yup
yeah, but I did once manage to pull off a turkey back in college. other than that, I usually don’t break 100.
Now he’s pushing batteries for electric cars. Batteries are currently not at a great technological level. They are working on better ones. Why not wait until we get them? You cannot force technological development to speed up.
Okay, the “special olympics” statement was buried in some laughter. No one even heard it.
Okay, now this is some funny shit:
In my head, I hear it this way: “Just let it go, people. We need to get back to my hypotheticals so that I can prove how Rush Limbaugh is not winning us voters. I have my HONOR!”
I mean, for real, you shouldn’t screw up Leno.
He also agreed that a contract is a contract….
I hate to admit it, but he can come off as a pretty genial guy. Which I guess is no surprise, as most politicians are. He can make very light fun of himself, but that’s his limit.
Mr. Swellegant told it like it is – He’s a vulgar spastic. He’s always said so.
Such trifling stuff invades my mind. Joe Biden Vice-President. Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State. PM Brown treated like an unwanted visiting In-law. Markets roiled at everyday policy reversals and ordinary stupidity. Businesses and businessmen reviled upon every rhetorical opportunity. An ex-President insulted gratuitously with a wave of a hand. Pakistan rapidly going down the tubes. India slighted at every turn. An Attorney General hints that terrorists may be turned loose in American cities on a show of civility.
And yet the killer: the White House’s fountain water was dyed green for St. Patrick’s day. Could that idea have come from a permanent White House staffer, a butler, a greenskeeper? Not a chance. From who then? And how long must we wait to have that person
humiliatedremoved from office?Oh, nevermind, I’ve already done the calculation, it’s 1,400 days.
“Okay, now this is some funny shit”
It is, it really is.
I thought his comment about his final four pick not “embarrassing him in front of the whole nation” was much worse. it’s not their fault if you can’t pick a winner, doofus.
Oops, replace “most politicians are” with “most politicians can.” My bad.
look…ah…i inherited a…gutterball and
…uh…the bowling shoes were…kinda stinky[applause]
so ..uh…i..urge..the uh
people to uh
wear cool bowling shirts[applause]
and together[pause] we can[pause]
overcome this…uh
uh….
score…
because we’re all in the same lane together Jay
and that’s what I tell the congress and the American…uh
people Jay
You’re probably right, maggie, but most people heard him joking about his picks in relation to the states he won in the primaries.
I’m sorry but the Jon Stewart clown nose on, clown nose off does seem to apply here.
Your targets? “Perception is very important” off. My targets? “Perception is very important” on.
I am not interested in crucifying Obama for this remark.
No, you don’t go after Obama for this crap, you go after the MSM for the double-standard.
Me, I can make jokes like this. But I’m not playing at being the leader of the free world, nor am I the one who promised to make us a respected nation again. I mean, what the fuck is this guy doing on a late night comedy show to begin with?
Tin ear? Sure. But what bothers me is that the joke only works as an intentional joke if you understand the connection between your low score and what makes special olympians “special.”
I won’t go so far as to say Obama intended to offend. The special olympian trope is fairly conventional in off-the-record humor. But this guy is the FUCKING PRESIDENT!
How soon before he slips up and jokes with an Israeli leader about the Jews spending 40 years in the desert because somebody dropped a quarter?
This guy is a fucking disaster.
I’m starting to get the feeling Baracky was hoping his candidacy would be like a nice Hollywood movie. The dashing young dynamic “change” President takes on the evil BOOOOSH and wins. Cue “The End”, credits. Only, this is real life and he actually has to do things. That’s the not so pretty part as we have seen.
The Leno appearance is the attempt to keep the fairy tale going. They’ll be more Leno appearances.
This guy is a fucking disaster.
Let’s not be hasty. We at least need to see how his brackets play out.
I hate to admit it, but he can come off as a pretty genial guy.
All narcissists are extremely charming people. They’ve developed the technique over a lifetime because it gets them the adulation they crave.
That’s why the left can’t spot ’em: they’re too hypnotized by the charisma that they forget to look any farther. Me, I’ve learned to be suspicious of people who seem too wonderful.
I think Barky must’ve gotten bored before he got to that one.
I can already see the segments
on the morning MSM shows
and so can u!
so so depressing to see 6 hours
into the future
“On my worst day, I’m better than your retarded kid on his best, little feel good medals or no” – Barack Obama, unplugged.
This is really funny. It will be buried unless Drudge digs it out or something.
Look, is a Democrat president can order a cruise missile strike with a woman sucking on his dick, a Democrat president can make jokes about special olympians. The real problem is that the first instance set women’s rights back a generation. One would expect a certain safety in the workplace for our daughters. Not after Clinton. So from now on disabled people will be treated with disrespect, not much different than the cabbage head comments about Mrs. Palin’s son. Which made me appreciate the anonymity and distance that the internet provides, otherwise I would have been charged with aggravated assault.
How long before any criticism of his comment is called racist? Tick tick tick….
Derek
Mark Steyn is now calling him Barack Opromta.
SCORE!
would someone please think about the gallons of chubby retards being made fun of by the FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES and how their UBER-FASCIST PC handlers/teachers are going to have to re-indoctrinate their parents into believing that NEGROES ARENT EVIL!! also….theres a good joke in here about stolen tv’s and the united negro college fund but damned if im gonna make it.
On Drudge now, but not the main headline.
Cranky,
I thought he came across as pompous. I kept asking myself why the POTUS was on a talk show cutting up when we have the the banking crisis, money flooding overseas but he wants to cut benefits to vets, release “detainees on US soil because China will off them for being terrorists, etc etc. I mean shit, shouldn’t he be doing something?
But then again I couldn’t take all of it. After the Starburst line I switched to the Faber/Pulver rerun fight on versus. Come to think of it, if he was “doing something” it would only make things worse.
How long before any criticism of his comment is called racist?
Oh, that fact became reality months ago. You’re a racist even before you speak.
BECAUSE OF THE CODE WORDS!
6 hours depressing buttons? I saw his current teleprompter troubles (which will get worse) coming months ago.
“I mean, what the fuck is this guy doing on a late night comedy show to begin with?”
Kinda was my question. Now more than ever, a president who isn’t a lightweight media ho pushing his latest film would be nice.
“And yeah, I’m looking at you, Trig!” – Barack Obama, unplugged.
By the end of his term, he’ll probably doing “special guest star” gigs on some modern-day equivalent of The Love Boat.
The manchild does love to get his mug on camera.
If only the late-night writers had the balls, Jeff. It ain’t a happening thing though. Not in this lifetime.
The clown nose on, clown nose off comment refers to Allah and Patterico. They can’t decide when perception matters, even between the two of them. Let alone a group of more than two people. Imagine having to come up with a theory that covered more than two people, that more than two people could agree with for more than a couple days?
I think their viewpoint is fracturing, rather spectacularly. Within days of our argument with them.
Jeff:
No argument about Obama. IMO this one incident doesn’t mean a whole lot, but in the context of everything else he has done, it’s just one more element in this obviously disastrous choice for president.
dicentra:
I had a friend (well, I was his friend) for years who I think was probably a full-on narcissist and probably sociopathic. Very charming guy, and when he wanted to be, he could act as if you were important to him. Once I got the brunt of his true personality, I wanted nothing to do with him.
In other words, I have known at least one of these people very well. He had many other people charmed, too.
Darleen knew how to shut things up with her hit on a kid, so what are you all crying about?
WTF?
Spies @ 71
I say as OUTLAWS! it is our duty to spin 5 back at them
Crying? I see no tears here.
But I bet lots of them retard sprinters are crying their big heads to sleep on overstuffed pillows right now.
just smile and nod, Sdferr.
Well, yeah, Carin. I think we’re doing 4 as well.
I think you have a duty to explain this to them, then, bh.
You would say ‘retard’ and just soldier on, Jeffy.
Ichee, as with most of your ilk, you seem to have a problem understanding human emotions.
Hint: “crying” and “laughing our asses off” are two different emotional states. Entirely.
Say, you wouldn’t by any chance be a former Special Olympics competitor, would you?
oh, he’s probably been hearing stories from Joe the last few weeks.
I’m sorry, Ichee. Do you prefer “Special Olympian”?
yeah maggie, smile and nod like Sir Jeffrey of PW.
Ignoring only works if the leader does it too.
if, not is.
This actually illustrates the treachery of whateverjeffcallsscrewingaroundwithlanguage. It forces a straitjacket on people, where they talk one way with people they want to communicate with and have relationships with, and another way to everyone else. You cannot communicate when every inflection needs to be parsed by a bevy of lawyers and ethnicologists, or whatever. Communication is expressing what you mean, and is hard enough as it is. When these stupid ‘rules’ are imposed at seemingly random, inevitably you have two ways of speaking; and here we have an example of someone speaking the wrong way in the wrong place. With his friends, who all abort any abnormal children, he can joke about disabled children.
Really, though, really the question comes to mind. Has he ever got out much?
Derek
“I think you have a duty to explain this to them, then, bh.”
Allah, Patterico, you have no coherent theory. You change positions with the wind.
Okay, done.
why did the chicken cross the road
in a wheelchair?
to get to the otre ssss..suh.suh..sss
why did they chicken cross the ruh..ruh..road
in a wuh..wuh..wheelchair?
to get to the other suh..suh..sssss..suh.suh..ssss
hat tip to southpark
special olympian
now with new and improved foam rubber
columns
yes we can!
Oh Jeffy, if you play in the mud, and then someone seems to join you, then it’s mud all over, right?
Just because Darleen plays in the mud, it doesn’t mean that you do. Just because you play in the mud, it doesn’t mean that using the word ‘retard’ has any effect. It all means nothing and in nothingness, it lives.
I mean, what the fuck is this guy doing on a late night comedy show to begin with?
It’s the Permanent Campaign and Barry does not know how to get off that hobby horse. He’s not doing much different than he’s done all his life … show up, smile, turn on that charm, wave his hands, toss out of few ideas and let others do the heavy lifting.
Understand how much of his “policy” is by trial balloon? Obama insists he is going to raise $545 million by foisting off war-wounds on private insurance companys … OUTRAGE blows back … Obama then pulls an Emily Litella “Never mind! Didn’t mean it! Forget about it!”
Carol Platt Liebau was at Harvard, managing editor of the Harvard Law Review when Barry was president of the HLR
“Oh… Look at me! I bowl like a retard! nyuk nyuk nyuk” [frantic whisper] “What?” and a Whitehouse spokeshole scurries to the press “really, he didn’t mean it.”
Ichee is indignant. We’ve done something wrong, joking along with the President about the retards in Under Armor.
Shit. And here I thought supporting him was patriotic.
You guys really need to stop sending mixed signals.
If they want a better explanation than that I’ll offer a series of three or four thousand hypotheticals.
And demand answers!
put ur helmets on!
4 more years
4 more years!
In other words, I have known at least one of these people very well.
And once you know what they’re like, you know what the tells are. Then once you see them in someone else, you know right away what they’re about.
Patterico is dead wrong to assume that he’s a “good man.” Narcissists are neither good nor evil because they’re incapable of thinking in terms of right or wrong (though they might master the lexicon well enough to fool the gullible). They’re more like forces of nature in that you cannot appeal to their better natures — you can only stay out of their way.
That is not to say, however, that narcissists do not cause evil things to happen (which is the most likely outcome). Just that they’re probably not morally responsible for their bad actions.
Was Hitler a malignant narcissist? Almost certainly. Then what was everyone else’s excuse?
By the way, neo-neocon has done a bang-up analysis of Obama’s “I’m responsible [But I’m really not responsible]” speech from this morning.
Blowhard,
This surprises you? That has been the point from the beginning. Politics is easy… so long as you can change your positions and principles at a whim and your enemies can’t.
Ichee
What the hell are you talking about?
Now, Scratchy, it’s not our fault that your Brain-the-Size-of-a-Planet President sounds more like Timmy from South Park when his teleprompter isn’t available.
Ok I am confused, who is ichee?
I’m sorry, but I had to get rid of Ichee. Not because of the Jeffy thing, but because I can’t stand by and watch upatriotic people refuse to laugh at the spazzes along with the President.
Ichee is a sidewalk dogturd, just don’t step in it. Eventually it’ll dry up and go away.
Ouch.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/03/new-wh-statement-on-special-olympics-flap.html
Well, if someone ever figures out what the troll was talking about my “hitting on a kid” thing, let me know.
Figuring out the alternate realities some people insist living in is a good way to avoid ’em.
I haven’t a fucking clue what any of that means.
Code words?
I think I need video commenting. All of my comments may require a view of my face as I make them.
#22, I didn’t go see yet, but I bet you’re right. Allah was joking about taking the day off tomorrow to escape a lot of not-quite sincere outrage ( I may have softened that a bit) . I could have got it wrong but I think mockery is the preferred mode of reaction to O.
Circumlocution seems to be a specialty of the pw troll set.
He bowls like a pansy not a retard. Revisionist piece of shit.
Darleen, you know. Your work shut this site down, as I remember it.
Mr. Goldstein?
Hi I am from the state hospital, have you seen ichee lately? He got into some airplane glue and shaved some stray cats. It is time for his meds. Could you send him my way? Thanks . . .Oh, and OUTLAW!
yawn..
wake me when the special tanks get to waco
The lefty blogs are out in force to dispel this horrible attack by the humorless wingnuts.
Wonder which member of JournoList was assigned this site. Probably Edroso. He’s pretty fucking low on the totem poll.
Oh there you are sweetie. Come on, you need to take your meds.
I think we should get back on topic. Allah thinks that Patterico is far too politically correct. Which Patterico agrees with. Somehow.
Bored with Scratchee now. Buhbye, Scratchee.
Last bit of advice: this might help.
I speak Ichee, I know what he means.
But ichee had not yet perceived the OUTRAGE, was contempt and mockery.
I don’t speak Ichee. Care to explain?
SarahW!! What a chore to learn that language! Is a translation possible? Becareful, though, if it has the word “negro” in it, some will wake up to be offended.
Ichee is michelle I thought. No?
No idea who Ichee is. But if it is that Michelle thingie, I wish she’d just go away. She creeps me out.
I think it’s the eyes.
Also the “kid” thing is criticism of the kid’s *parents*.
hf has it aright, I think, the Nacogdoches ninny.
my friend from Britain gave me a dvd
the best of ichhee…
i couldn’t get to work
so i beat my kid[lazy prick]
he’s so hard to wake up
we out out back and played skeet shooting
yeah…we bonded..
thanks obama
so ichee is a manifestation of another troll who was banned?
And the fact the she’s an unstable pinch-faced troll with a propensity for stalking.
Mustn’t forget that.
ICHEE BABEL – How dare you express OUTRAGE and cry over this spastic remark of O’s, when you would say to parents “Hey, maybe we should think twice about exanding S-chip to folks who have your assets and income”.
Wait,
so ichee is from Nacogdoches? That’s where Steven F is
But of course Ichee is not very perceptive.
The teleprompter’s peremptory plea for mercy.
Not bad.
SarahW,
Now I get it, thanks.
Obama:
Retarded dog:
Obama:
Retarded dog:
Patterico: Okay, fine. I admit it. I’m confused.
Good lord, Sarah,
that was, what, over a year and a half ago? and certainly I was only one voice of many on the subject (that had nothing to do with the *kid*)
Ichee is quite unhealthy in its obsession.
Someone needs to 5150 Ichee.
From someone at Jake Tapper’s blog:
“Did you notice that Barry tried to drink out of Jay Leno’s coffee mug when they broke for a commercial and Jay pointed to his mug on the coffee table? Barry is such a retard!”
did u get the journi memo
in the brave new world we can
breed kids!
[message sent from under a bridge]
every bowling score a 300
every meal a feast
every lottery ticket a winner
i did not have sex with that retard
Darleen, apparently you hit S-Chip so hard, you killed their whole family.
Jesus Mary and Joseph, the HA page Ed put up on this gaffe has generated 9 pages of comments already (none of which I’ve read), running underneath Ed & Allah’s kickoff disagreement. Peeps look to be a tad worked up. Oh, and somebody at AoS linked Treacher’s twitter page saying “Treacher’s on a roll”. That, ladies and germs, is an understatement.
The lights went out in Georgia.
My experience, BIL, 1st marriage. Never get between them and something they want unless you are prepared to go to the mat, and I mean all the way to the death if necessary. They may back down but will find some sneaky way to get a nasty payback for being stopped. All smiles as long as they get every demand met immediately. Say no, and the charm gets turned off right then. I agree best not to be around them ever.
156. Sdferr, I saw that in real time. I was choking on my pistachios by the end.
“Star Trek: The Savage Curtain (#3.22)” (1969)
Abraham Lincoln: What a charming Negress. Oh, forgive me, my dear. I know in my time some used that term as a description of property.
Uhura: But why should I object to that term, sir? In our century, we’ve learned not to fear words.
“Barack Obama, unplugged” could be an ongoing feature.
Makes me sad that I have such a tiny voice in such a great big blogosphere.
!58 – I have a relative like that in the family, on my husbands side. He causes no end of trouble. Right now he’s tormenting his second wife, who figured him out after about two years, and has run fast away.
“In our century, we’ve learned not to fear words.”
Brilliant.
Get it on: http://patterico.com/2009/03/19/points-of-agreement-on-interpretation/
SarahW
For the most part Gene Roddenberry was a pompous, controlling ass … but occassionally he wrote something that transcended the camp.
(confession, I heart ST:Original)
Is there any math involved?
No thanks. I think I’d rather drink and watch me some teevee.
blowhard,
Why? Everything he and Allah said in the Obama-Leno post makes everything the two of them said regarding language useless, hollow and completely cynical. They really were just out to get Limbaugh, no matter the reason. There’s nothing else to add.
You mean Patterico put up a whole ‘nother post about “interpretation?”
Geez.
The way I see this, there are two issues here.
1. The president had no business making an appearance on a late-night talk show that amounted to nothing more than another campaign stop.
2. This isn’t about dangers of words being misused and controversy over same, this is about basic TACT, something that the POTUS demonstrated a lack of with this remark. By the word tact, I mean this definition provided by Webster’s online dictionary:
(2) : a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense
There is nothing wrong with being tactful or considerate, i.e. “polite.” It doesn’t mean one has to parse every single word one says, it means you have an awareness of and a consideration for other people…something that this narcissistic POS lacks, in spades.
Oh, can I say “spades,” or is that racist?
Spades! Spades! Janie Mae said Spades! Swarm! Swarm! Swarm!
No, No, Patterico is an earnest fellow, and Allahpundit embarrasses easily.
Sorry to hear that SarahW. I hope she finds a way to get clear of him.
Oh, can I say “spades,†or is that racist?
If you said it on the same day you mentioned a person of African decent, then yes. Even if you’re playing cards.
Apparently you need to bone up on that code words book pronto.
That is funny. Very good.
Makes me sad that I have such a tiny voice in such a great big blogosphere.
How many NSFW pix do you post?
I’m just sayin’
He has never had to do this and won’t be getting any on the job training in his position.
We have to help them.
Oh boy. Oh wait! Can I say, “boy?”
New Improved Patterico Thread
SarahW,
And I’ve never mailed a dead fish.
For the most part Gene Roddenberry was a pompous, controlling ass … but occassionally he wrote something that transcended the camp.
And the franchise improved drastically after his departure. It stopped being so incredibly hippie and progressed to somewhat hippie and a lot theraputic.
(I mean, come ON! A therapist as second in command? And TWO characters dishing out heartfelt advice?) It got better on DS9 when they had to deal with Hard Reality.
JannyMae,
No. No one can say anything without our permission.
Hey, don’t look at me. If I’m the brains of the operation we’re fucked. I default to Popeye’s “I am what I am” when pressed to make an argument.
Hey, new episode of Damages…
Sigh, my prayers for you in your effort. Not an easy task.
Is it too late to admit I’m mainly here to steal some very technical aspects of writing from Jeff?
I told him he was insane. I think that ought to do it.
Agree, DS9 was the best of the lot. Though I liked the original, watched it religiously when it was originally on. Shows my age.
….Slinking over to my corner and curling up next to my Ann Coulter doll and my Limbaugh Letter.
Now if he had said “bowl like a white guy [playing hoops]” he would have both diffused derision through self-deprecation and not offended anyone. And maybe been funny too.
There is something (I know not what precisely) that transpires on successful ordinary communication that is highlighted occasionally in the reception of a work that is extraordinary – what to call it? – groundbreaking, original, utterly unseen theretofore.
Say, for example, in a new work of music, pushing conventional boundaries into previously unexplored sound or rhythmic territory, a prepared mind, perhaps that of another musician, will be instantly capable of understanding a thematic layering or inversion or what-have-you and be capable of demonstrating that understanding to the composer through performance, while on the other hand, unprepared minds, a non-musical audience, will reject what they hear immediately, for it isn’t what they expect to hear, they don’t know how to listen, what to listen for, how to follow the themes as they move and change, etc.
In time, the audience may or will learn, sometimes through education, sometimes through the mere weight of repetition, they catch on and will, in their way, come to appreciate what they formerly rejected. and this happens, I think, in many fields of endeavor, not just music, but in Science, the plastic arts, and in speech as well. We say, so and so gets it. And so he does, instantly, leaving everyone else to catch up as they are able. While many do catch up, some others may never, whether on account of an inability or of a simple disinterest or inattention.
Anyhow, I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, but it seems to me as though I’ve seen some of that sort of thing going on hereabouts lately and just thought I’d throw it out there.
Yeah, there was that one where Sisko kept getting in deeper and deeper with compromising principles to pull a fast one on one of their enemies. I should watch that one again. It handled the issues fairly well.
And of course, there were all those “Hell to the Chief” episodes wherein Colm Meaney got drug through one knothole after another.
Insane and a liar, actually.
His honor will never recover. We’ll be hearing about this affront to his good name for decades. But it had to be said, I think — though “frighteningly fixated and controlling” might have been better, now that I think about it.
*sigh* does that mean he’s gonna show up at two a.m. and lecture us all again?
I’ll have to nickname him “Old Faithful”
Recall.
h/t CJ
I think Obama made an insensitive remark, but like I said upthread the Special Olympics trope has been around for quite some time, and it’s possible he didn’t intend offense.
But it was tactless, and this guy is quick to call others out on this same kind of thing.
So no, don’t be outraged over the remark, if it doesn’t really outrage you. Particularly when you have this available to you: BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!
Sdferr: I know what you are saying. And it puts in better terms a concept that I have discussed with my wife and some friends. Namely that musicians and dancers etc, get tired of doing the same thing that is expected by the audience. How many times really do you have to perform Nutcracker? So they move into areas that only others of their kind can appreciate. And to us it looks like crap. And ultimately, the artists are performing for themselves.
This way freaky shit lies.
Holy crap. I just saw the overstuffed page at HA with Round Ed and Dhimmi Allah’s spat. So can we finally agree that matters of language are relevant? Allah’s servile attitude is astonishing. That bulge on his cheek isn’t an oral tumor, it’s from the Presidential Dildo he keeps tucked between his cheek and gum. LIke a pinch of Skoal.
The surrender on the Right to the Left’s rules is just jaw-dropping.
Rich, I think I’ve seen it happen with food, with furniture making, with architecture, all kinds of places.
You’re dead on Jeff. And I do not want to lose my ability to use the “‘tard” word out of fear of being hypocritical, The primary target, again, should be the media and left establishment… and how they will react in the actual hypocrisy.
I can’t remember specifics but I thought DS9 was better written and had better adversaries.
That said I was at the time, and still, a total B5 fan. Then Buffy, BSG now. Dollhouse shows promise.
Yipe almost 2:30.
DS9 had political science, the most realistic commander, and baseball.
All goodness.
Orwell, yeah, that was twisted. Allah hijacked Ed’s post twice.
Never fight back. Never.
Rich & Sdferr:
A good essay to explain the phenomenon is “La deshumanización del arte” by José Ortega y Gasset, written at the turn of the 20th century. He posits a thought experiment wherein you look at a garden through a window. The garden is subject matter and the window is the medium.
When you focus on the garden, the window is transparent. But when you focus on the window, the garden looks like blobs of color instead of a real garden. It was his explanation for why people didn’t like impressionistic art at first.
By the way Allahpundit is just Allah. It was switched when he went to Hot Air.
Because it might cause offense. So, fig leaf.
um, I don’t think so, bh.
@203 Oooooh. I likey. Thank you dicentra.
@204 I miss his shops.
Gotta fly in the morning. See ya.
The “what it was to be” I hoped to point to is less about the newness of the thing, than something about the state of the sending and receiving minds in communication, whether they are communicating grocery lists or a Special Theory of Relativity.
“um, I don’t think so, bh.”
How so?
At Allah Is In The House, he was Allah.
I wonder why Michelle keeps AllahPanderer on staff. He would be trés confortable at HuffPo or some equally highbrow venue, ahem. Read AllahPanderer for balance… because of Teh Fairness Doctrine!
well, all his posts say “by ALLAHPUNDIT”. and it’s usually abreviated as (AP). or did I miss the joke there?
in the local paper they had a” meet a local artist”
get together at the townhall
i quickly scribbled cat/with a backwards K in crayon
on a piece of paper…i met them [wankers]
and kept asking where the refridgerator was
too bad it wasn’t a protein wisdom get together
cuz that woulda rocked
thanks 4 your site jeff
oh, sorry, I see I read you backwards.
Allah had a blog before Hot Air, Allah Is In The House (sorry, can’t italicize in the comment box). He was known as Allah. Still is by many. Allahpundit doesn’t make sense. He’s not a pundit speaking of Allah. He’s a blogger who used to pretend he was Allah.
phenomenology.
wasn’t the old url allahpundit dot blah blah blah? I started reading it a few months before he quit it. and I’ve slept a lot since then.
on top of that, dealing with crazy director that yells at everyone for not knowing the “choreography” when he doesn’t even know the effin music. WHO STAGES A MUSICAL WITHOUT KNOWING THE MUSIC? a crazy person, that’s who. and I suspected it beforehand, but went ahead and agreed to do the show anyway.
Is this the whole of it, or does it fundamentally err?
I remember Allah Is In The House, and that was the best stuff he ever did. But now, he has discarded the photoshops and acerbity (unless directed at conservatives) in favor of alternately marveling at the “skill” leftards have in playing a willing media, or lambasting them gap-toothed backwoods Konservatives who Don’t Understand The Medium.
Like I said, he’s ready for the HuffCompost.
He’s also pretty lazy about the depth of his posts. He often writes a couple of lines and links a video, adds a provocative (but hackneyed) headline, and is off to whatever else he does. As opposed to Ed, who actually writes something worth reading. I rarely bother with AP posts any longer, just Ed and Michelle.
Post 9/11, the idea was to be blasphemous. Pretending to be Allah. He spoke like he was Allah. Hence, Allah.
we[meaning…you]
should write a musical
spamalot/obamalot
african drums
hawaii 5-0 theme
60’s revolutionary music…
we’d be celebrated/on the covers of magazines/shown on every
talk show-create a buzz/ the talk of the town…
it’s shovel ready-
in spades!
pdbuttons is such a soothing presence. Really adds to the surreal presence of this place.
so wait, patty’s not coming by tonight to get a healthy cut of my gib? well PANTS to that i say!! PANTS indeed! what a saucy, frothing, glorified salad tosser. for shame, for shame eleventy!!!11!1 also, retards…i dont like them ree rees. all hail president buckwheat!!
I’m trying to think of an identifiable movie analog for His Hooves, Our Unicorn Presidential Fraud. I’m trying to think of a movie character who was a ruthless fraud, a sort of con man or impostor who succeeded because so few were willing to disbelieve. Chauncey Gardner is close, but he was sympathetic and innocent. This cocksmoker in the Oval Stables is far from innocent. He is, rather than learned (which he clearly is not) exceedingly cunning. I don’t even find him jovial, although many do. He’s not Harold Hill, he was too sunny. He hasn’t the guts of a Richard III, so that won’t suffice either.
Barry Hussein O’Guiltwhite would have made an outstanding network anchorman, or replacement for huckster Bobby Kiyosaki.
Comment by dicentra on 3/20 @ 12:02 am #
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Apparently you need to bone up on that code words book pronto.
I’d like a word with you, young lady, about your overly causal, heteronormative mindset and the lack of gender positive diversity that might be gleaned from comments like these.
Unless of course, it is a nuanced attack on patriarchy oppression through crude ridicule of the penile weapon, in which case .. carry on.
I would say Sisterhood is powerful! but that could be interrupted as making light of the effects of economic enghettoing of womym possessing other racialness. So instead “Right ON (or nonsinster Left ON as your dextural identity sees fit to express itself).
Maggie, there was a “situation” around the end of the blog that resulted in a URL switch, but you’re right about the old URL. And he would post comments about at “allahpundit”. I’m sure there was more than one factor in the choice of his Hot Air cognomen, but it would have been a logical choice for many reasons.
JeffG
I agree, I also don’t believe Barry intended a slam or snark against either the Special Olympics or against the disabled (though, he was MIA when his supporters were attacking Trig Palin)
However, Barry really doesn’t need to be yukking it up in Burbank as if he were still just a nominee. He needs to have his ass in DC actually working then in ducking his obligations.
So he needs to be mocked. A lot.
I still like to call him Allah because that’s what we all used to call him (check the old school bloggers usage to this day).
Also, it’s considered blasphemous to those unwilling to adapt to modern society. That’s a plus in my book.
What’s the deal with airplane food?
See, Patterico, at one point in your life, you’ll have to give offense or become a slave to those willing to use your unending tolerance as a weapon.
228 – I saw him swinging his ankles like he was Jack effing Lemmon and that was enough. It just wasn’t a presidential look. WHERE ARE YOUR COLUMNS NOW!
He needs to have his ass in DC actually working then in ducking his obligations.
Though perhaps we’re better off if they’re neglected?
I mean, if Congress went home and never came back, would it be so bad?
There are 200,000 plus hits on google for “bush sunglasses reporter” so I don’t care if I shouldn’t make a big deal about this and I also love it when Tbag instantaneously tries to pooh pooh these things when the embarrassingly moronic idiocy is so squarely bullseye from democrats because he’s such a fucking hack pussy.
this guy might have to work more, or go out of business. but otherwise, maybe not so bad.
Words…just words (retards, I can’t believe you elected me)
WE ARE THE CHANGE WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
“Maxim I live by: “Life is short. Say ‘retard’.— – Senor Wences
Jeff — no influence on the blogosphere? Dude, you don’t see the ripples spreading from your debate with Patterico? They grow fainter as they gain distance from the epicenter, and people at a distance don’t know what caused them, but the pond is never the same.
I canceled Comcast weeks ago. What happened? The lightworker step on his dick again?
From the White House Press Release:
“He thinks the Special Olympics is a wonderful program that gives an opportunity for people with disabilities from around the world.”
Kind of like the Democrat Party.
Face it, retards are funny, especially when it comes to sports. And they have uncertain parentage.
But Obama did say “Tim Geithner, you are doing a heck of a job!”
Nuiance!
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I do not want to step on anyones toes here cause I havent read all the comments but if you havent heard of Steve Lynch’s special olympics song it is hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IFUNIa2NU8
God darnit, Mr. President, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar retard.
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“Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/19 @ 10:44 pm #
By the end of his term, he’ll probably doing “special guest star†gigs on some modern-day equivalent of The Love Boat.”
Make it a “special guest star” gig on ‘Police Squad!’ and I am so there.
What the fuck is this intend shit? I’ll bite your muthafuckin’ ear off.
That’s really all you needed to say. Oh, and: failed underwear salesman.
“Makes me sad that I have such a tiny voice in such a great big blogosphere.”
You have a huge voice, Jeff.
People fear your abilities.
And I really mean that.
Oh, thanks for that, Jeff. Always nice to have a laugh-out-loud comment.
And my daughter has spastic diplegia, so I condemn myself. Hey, do I get special license to take offense, or do I have to get my daughter to take her offense all by herself?
Also, because you conflated spazzes with retards. Man, I ought to be pissed. Deathmatch thumb-wrestling, at 50 paces.
So, what did I miss?
Obama apologizes to Special Olympics and Kennedy family member Tim Shriver by saying: “You fucked up, you trusted me.”
Never go full retard, man.
Obama told Shriver he wants to have some Special Olympics competitors over to the White House for basketball or bowling.
This guy just has to win.
You know, some of my best friends have competed in the Special Olympics.
Can we safely call Obama the great black hype now?
I missed out on a good thread.
My only response, probably echoing something said a dozen times, is Imagine If A Republican Had Done This?
(then weep for our media)
I could be mistaken and this is not confirmed, nor most likely will it ever be. That being said, last night I posted a comment at Patterico’s site because the host claimed something I couldn’t verify. I posted:
“…but the people who are acting all bent out of shape (see NRO)…â€
Link?
I went to NRO: there’s two posts at The Corner, and one’s a joke.
Where do you find any statements leading you to conclude “people†are “bent out of shape†at NRO?
Comment by easyliving1 — 3/19/2009 @ 10:41 pm
“Where do you find any statements leading you to conclude “people†are “bent out of shape†at NRO?â€
Well, for one thing, I didn’t say “people†were bent out of shape at NRO. Read what I said again. People are bent out of shape. For an example, see NRO:
How do you top trying to make injured veterans pay for treating their own war wounds? Maybe by making fun of disabled athletes.
Hoo-kay then.
Comment by Patterico — 3/19/2009 @ 11:09 pm
Now his original post doesn’t contain the material I quoted (and what he responded to), with nary a word besides the above defense of his original statement.
“Can we safely call Obama the great black hype now?”
Not until he chokes in the Superbowl.
Want to see some real elegance to warm your heart back up this morning? Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izn63SHXPMw&eurl=http://
What a cutie (the future Special Olympian). What a great Mom.
I was thinking more along the lines of this.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116448/
BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!
It’s been too long since I heard that.
Marjoe.
“You Keep the Faith…Marjoe Keeps the Money “.
If we are unlucky then, this one.
New York Times blogger Eric Etheridge doesn’t care for ‘Allah‘ all that much, either.
“Can we safely call Obama the great black hype now?”
There will be a small window for that between the hopey stage and the grumblings that he’s only half black and the other 50% is responsible for teh stupid.
Re: #190, Sdferr.
The only place I’ve seen any writing on what you are talking about is a book a musician friend gave me over a year ago. “This is your Brain on Music” by Daniel J. Levitin.
Short version. We have to learn that the new sound we are hearing is “music” and not “noise”. Perhaps like learning that a “mark” is a “sign” and not just a squiggle.
You know what’s better than winning the special olympics?
Not being retarded.
Has anyone catalogued all of O!bambi’s fuck ups? Because as someone said upthread, it’s not this particular fuck up, but it’s the whole portfolio of fuckups that this dipshit has accumulated. Anyhow, if someone could point me to a website (or if you have them handy yourself), it would be might obliged.
And, too, I never want to take away the ability to call someone a tard now and then, so what he said isn’t at all offensive to me, but “BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRICY” of the media, this needs to be discussed.
Geeze louise, what is this guy – retarded?
See what I did there?
Stupid is as stupid does.
mojo, Politico puts what you’ve indicated more gently**: “He struggles as a public communicator.”
I’d say he’s just kinda dumb, but that’s a judgment, not a measurement.
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Trope. schmope. by the way. It’s not one a sitting president ought to encourage, especially not to highlight his own charming and trivial inadequacies or humaness.
Said over at Pats, a little too earnestly, that “The outrageousness is less the thoughtless crack, than the fact this sitting president goes on light entertainment interview shows to make cracks at all…
He seems to be struggling a good deal with the humdred days business, and if this was his way of shoring up his wonderfulness, I worry about his other miscalculations.”
If this appearance was to reassure us that Obama is HAPPEEE! and everything is in good hands and he’s got time aplenty to fritter and be calm and at his ease DONT PANIC and he’s the kinda guy who has it all under control so don’t even worry, he might have come up short.
Hire the handicapped, they’re fun to watch.
We must excuse him. He never had a Mother around to tell him, “Watch your mouth, boy”.
I’m guessing, but don’t we know that there is a special olympics competition in bowling and it will turn out that every finalist participant carries and average running in the 180-140 range. Heh.
See we are evil when we make fun of retarded people because we do not have good intentions.
Very much what I said here, Sarah.
But as Obama was the first to call for Imus’ firing without worrying about HIS intent, I say we shout about THE HYPOCRISY!
You don’t need a high IQ to learn to bowl and bowl well. It just requires some instruction in the basics and lots of practice. Physical disabilities could limit what you can do as in any physical activity. As in anything the difference between a good amateur and a pro is enormous.
There are special olympians who regularly bowl 300, and medalists generally well exceed O’s stated bowling score.
But like I said it’s his “haughty humility” that bugs me the most. Oh yes, look how faily I am at this little trivial thing. Aren’t I quirky in the most charming way for a super-genius?
Baracky really should not make fun of Chuckles aka Chuckie Atkis aka Paleo Pat like that. Not nice.
But then again, I’m predisposed to be irritated by O. Accumulated evidence of his first rate temperament has had its effect.
While he calculates his “there is a time for styrofoam columns, and a time for exchanging styrofoam columns for a gig worthy of Scarlett Johannson” morale boosting measures, I end up feeling less and less at ease with the state of the nation.
To belabor the point, how can he mock himself without mocking as well his chosen point of reference? Even though he may not analyze his proposition thoroughly enough to grasp the error he makes, doing damage to himself in the process, I can’t see how the claim in the quoted statement above is logically possible.
Ooh, Inadvertant name swap.
This all could have been avoided if Super Charismatic Reader of the United States would have said, “I bowl like Michelle dresses.” (awkward laughter)
Of course after Michelle hits him with the skillet, he’ll be in the Speshalimpics.
Has the UK weighed in? They tore Tiger Woods a new Tiger asshole after he said he “putted like a spaz”.
If Obama says to himself, after throwing a gutter ball, “Boy, I suck” is he guilty of auto-offending? Does he have a duty to make sure to say, “Man, I suck” so he doesn’t offend himself unintentionally?
#190 and #269: Short version. We have to learn that the new sound we are hearing is “music†and not “noiseâ€.
geoff and Sdferr:
Sure, we have to learn to interpret new artistic conventions. The difficulty lies in distinguishing between a genuinely new and valuable encoding (that simply we don’t understand) and a con job.
Presumably the Egyptians knew that people didn’t actually walk around with their heads twisted to the side, but they adopted that convention to work around limitations in technique (without perspective it’s difficult to draw a frontal view of a face and have it look right).
We can still enjoy and appreciate Egyptian art, though, because the intended meaning is there. I’m quite sure that my appreciation of Egyptian art (in which I have no special expertise, let me hasten to point out) would grow if I spent the time to study it. Study would give me a better understanding of the artist’s intent.
We must always strive to determine the message intended by the artist. Sometimes, of course, the message is that some art collectors are gullible fools. I actually give credit to Manzoni for putting everything up front. He was totally honest about what the purchaser was going to receive, so it’s hard to fault him. The typical art scammer is rarely that forthcoming.
al, have you seen the golf channel’s showing “The Big Three” a competition held between Palmer, Player and Nicklaus from back in the early sixties? I can’t help but wonder what those guys would shoot today were they to transport their 60’s selves to our time and play with modern equipment on modern courses.
Retarded people can’t help that they’re retarded. So, they’re kinda like black people. They can’t help that they’re black and they shouldn’t be made fun of or judged based on skin color or mental retardation.
Unless the president makes it ok to make fun of people for a condition that they didn’t choose.
By the way, I was at a Popeye’s Chicken place the other day, and it looked like a Tarzan movie in there. (applause and laughter)
They would dominate. It’s the mental toughness.
alppuccino did not mean to offend actors who play natives in Tarzan movies. It was just an offhand remark.
SBP, I really wasn’t intending a discourse on the avant garde for it’s own sake, though I think I didn’t stress the point well enough in the initial post. But now that you bring it up, we have the additional puzzle of the “correct” apprehension of a communicated “error”. Very interesting case to think on.
“The Painted Word” by Tom Wolfe was my introduction to the gullible collectors and the art scammers.
My take is professionals can point the way, but that way has to match-up/fit-in at a neuronal level with the way our brains organize the world to be considered as good, or useful. This happens best in minds that are still forming so these major changes in thinking can take a generation.
That’s just an off-the-cuff thought.
If we get into whether some new thing is good or merely popular, I say that popular simply moves the “good” into the marketing realm instead of the actual art of performance. Obama is an example of good marketing of a shoddy product.
Unless I’m missing something, Patterico scrubbed my comment on his new “interpretation” thread. In it, I linked to the hypothetical he put in the comments here that he wished people to discuss, linked to my rather lengthy response (which, incidentally, spoke to the intersection of intentionalism and jurors doing the interpreting), asked him to stop lying about my failure to answer said hypotheticals, linked to my answer to his dog hypotheticals, and told him he was insane.
He doesn’t mention the deletion. And yet he hasn’t changed the post where he still accuses me of not answering him.
At what point do with get to say, finally, that Patterico’s pretend good faith is just a load of shit, and that he is so invested in rehabilitating himself over both the “Good Man” and Rush Limbaugh arguments, that he has become fixated and manic?
But seriously, scrubbing my comment without mention and without an email notification?
He “wants to have a conversation” but only with those who are interested, is his likely excuse.
Forget that we’ve already had it, and he’s using that he hasn’t heard what he wants to hear as an excuse to delete what I’ve written.
I may have to take this personally.
I had wondered last night when you referred to a response to Patterico where the heck that response was, since I didn’t see it either here or there, but then dismissed myself with the thought that you’ld simply e-mailed him. This is another development altogether (an echo of some movie line runs in my head).
#301, same here.
He now has it back up, after the discussion is long past it — and after people like daleyrocks have continued with the fiction that I didn’t respond.
Also, most of the people arguing over there are regulars here, so it is strange that they didn’t reference my comment.
I saw it there when I posted last night. So it was removed. It has now been put back.
— giving the appearance it was there all along, when in fact it wasn’t.
Good faith “debate”? His post still suggests I didn’t answer him. That’s a lie. Period.
He’s no longer worth my time. If you think he’s worth yours, go give him the traffic.
But seriously, scrubbing my comment without mention and without an email notification?
I popped over there right after you mentioned that comment and saw nothing. Did you actually see it there or did he kill it before it drew its first breath.
Something happened to the comment. I thought you were referring to a private email. I never saw it on his site.
Occasionally comments over at Patterico get held in limbo by his spam filter.
Beyond that, I got nothin’. I gave up on Patterico when he joined the herd in re Limbaugh.
Disingenuousness cubed**:
Bendix, “Life of Reilly”
Ben Smith — and his commentors — are such major douchebags anyone who comes within 10 feet of them gets wet.
I saw the comment posted, yes. It was there. I saw it. With all the links. There. On the site.
Sdferr — Patterico has accepted that as a reasonable interpretation and most likely the correct one. Which makes no sense, because the force of the joke doesn’t draw on the “everybody gets a medal” bit, but rather on the pathetic performance.
307 – It’s a distinction without much of a difference, anyway, assuming that were to be the case.
I think it’s a distinction built with a view to the escape hatch, cleverly hidden from sight.
I guess I’ve lost daleyrocks as a reader. Score one for Patrick!
If enough “escape hatches” get built the “Ship of State” may sink.
I’m thinking of the 3 Stooges where Curley drills holes in the boat bottom to let the water out.
Thank god ichee showed up to put in a word, albeit a generally unintelligible word, for the Obamaphile’s point of view, for otherwise we’d be left musing on SBP’s frequently discovered “absence of trolls” phenomenon whenever it happens that one of these “difficult” issues arises for the Historic One. No meya, no semanticleo, etc. No wonder though, for who would waterboard themselves?
In your quest for the Missing Signifier, you have patriarchically limited our choices. How Western of you! But, being a prisoner of this box I am forced to go with
“for the rest of our fucking lives”
Even deconstructed, the truth of it cannot be erased without strong psychoactive chemicals … but if you think this will make your time in the Reeducation Camp easier, you’re deconstructing the wrong metaphors.
Patterico will be the one in the corner cutting out paper dollies, moaning “truth must be candy-coated … truth must be candy-coated … “
I’ve learned some new definitions.
“Reasonable” = “agree with me”
“good faith” = “whatever I do”
“bad faith” = “whatever you do”
“debate” = “answer my questions as I ignore yours”
They’re looking at you, blow hard.
I read that in the comments.
“They’re looking at you, blow hard.”
Fun fact: I was naked when he wrote that. You’d think I could get some privacy, but nooooo, there was daleyrocks peeping in my window, looking at me.
Just have one of your people add him to their list then, meya. Secular excommunications is your bailiwick.
“Secular excommunications is your bailiwick.”
Yes he’ll be sent to the same place as sens snowe, specter and collins.
“better policies” The basis for fundamenal human interaction,(language)? If you,(hypothetically speaking),act in bad faith, you forfiet a good faith interpertation of your position.
Yes he’ll be sent to the same place as sens snowe, specter and collins.
Hasn’t O! already been in the Senate?
So a fair analysis now reveals not only that the joke must be underpinned by a derogation of the handicapped participants in Special Olympics, a bad enough slight for a sitting President to have committed in public, but it is now revealed that it contains as well a likely insult (though unintentional owing to his ignorance) to the actual skills of Special Olympic bowlers as well! Two for one Mr. President! Wow, talk about skills!
You missed something. It’s called a spam filter, dumbass.
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