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Stoking the Economy [Dan Collins]

In addition, a proper internal investigation could be a huge undertaking – not the work of a few days, Brand said, asserting “it’s a great project for some lawyer. It’s a lot of billable hours.”

I found this story via Hot Air Headlines, but apparently the Chicago local Fox affiliate has pulled it down:

Rahm Emanuel Reportedly Spoke with Blagojevich About Senate Seat
The firestorm surrounding Governor Blagojevich is putting some heat on Barack Obama’s transition team. Fox Chicago News has learned about possible conversations between a top Obama aide and the governor regarding the open senate seat. Craig Wall has the …
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8054792

Nope, just moved. The report states that conversations between Emanuel and Blago were taped by the FBI, so now the blanket denial becomes a denial of quid pro quo. This would be consistent with speculation that Emanuel may have dropped the dime on Blagojevich, but still doesn’t explain the evident trouble Team Obama is having with framing the message.

278 Replies to “Stoking the Economy [Dan Collins]”

  1. Donald says:

    They’re having trouble framing the message because they’re dirty, and they figure out what to do yet.

  2. Pablo says:

    Surely The One wouldn’t meet with a shady character like Blago without preconditions. I’m sure Rahm was just establishing those.

    Fitzy apparently has 300 hours of tape on Blago. This is going to be hilarious.

  3. Donald says:

    That would be “can’t figure out what to do yet”.

  4. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Wait, what happened to Obama being “absolutely certain” that none of his aides were involved in deal-making?

    I see that the Jackson Family Narrative is starting to unravel as well.

    [Beavis voice]
    Slow it down, Butthead! It’s goin’ too fast!
    [Beavis voice]

  5. Pablo says:

    To be fair, SB&P, conversation isn’t necessarily deal-making. And there’s really not much upside to dealing with Blago on the seat, especially knowing that Fitzy is up his ass with a pick axe and a miner’s helmet. It’s not like he was going to give it to the GOP.

    I find it hard to believe that Rahm would be quite that stupid. Then again, O! should know better than to lie about this stuff and apparently, he doesn’t.

  6. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    O! should know better than to lie about this stuff and apparently, he doesn’t.

    It’s like the old story with the scorpion. It’s his nature.

    I mean, dude hasn’t even been inaugurated yet…

  7. thorichka says:

    I think you’re riding dirty on Rahm, Dan.

  8. Dan Collins says:

    Am I? I consider plausible the idea that he may have blown the whistle, even though it’s likelier that the Senate seat stuff emerged as a result of wiretaps obtained for other investigative purposes.

  9. thorichka says:

    What’s with the it-was-there-then-disappeared conspiratorial tangential tone?

    It’s become quite clear that Obama and Co. were/are themselves hated by Blogo’s faction of pirates.

    If you’re not trying to slime my man then I apologize.

  10. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I don’t know if I’d say “plausible”. “Possible”, yes, and I’ll be the first one to congratulate him if that turns out to be the case.

    If it were, though, you’d think Teh One would be shouting it from the rooftops, instead of issuing an increasingly-desperate series of “The previous statement is inoperative” denials.

  11. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “It’s a lot of billable hours.”

    Meanwhile I do believe that Fitz has hit the Mother Lode of a Federal Posecutor’s wildest dreams – maybe even wondering if he’s also become like Tron, or something. ‘Better be calling up Billy Jack, pronto.

  12. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Yes, and Hitler would NEVER conclude an alliance with Stalin, thor, and Saddam would NEVER make cash payoffs to Islamic suicide bombers.

    Moron.

  13. alppuccino says:

    Obama is “The First Black President!!!!”. Let’s not get this historical unicorn-ride off on the wrong foot by playing those tapes. C’mon now. Give it a rest.

  14. Mossberg500 says:

    It’s become quite clear that Obama and Co. were/are themselves hated by Blogo’s faction of pirates.

    Rezko&heart;, not so much!

  15. Salt Lick says:

    …hated by Blogo’s faction of pirates.

    Yeah, Dan, it’s like “The Godfather” with Obi Wan as Al Pacino.

    Heartbreaking, really.

  16. Mossberg500 says:

    Rezko♥, not so much!

    Damn!

  17. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Yes, Rezko is the common element, and Fitzgerald has his nuts in a vise.

  18. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    The more He denies, the more He admits. And I wondered at the time why Obama chose to publically back Blago in that BoA shakedown, even if it could have been “only” reflexive. Stupid Dirty Socialist didn’t seem to cover it.

  19. thorichka says:

    Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam… you forgot Mussolini, Pol Pot and Arafat, or I do I have to wait for a few more posts?

  20. alppuccino says:

    who is Al Pacino?

  21. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    do I have to wait for a few more posts?

    No, I think you’ve already been brutally pwned, thor.

    Bye now.

  22. thorichka says:

    It’s pwn3d, btw.

  23. alppuccino says:

    Judas started out as a disciple, btw.

  24. thorichka says:


    Comment by alppuccino on 12/12 @ 8:17 am #

    who is Al Pacino?

    A fish cutter down in Jersey.

  25. alppuccino says:

    A fish cutter down in Jersey.

    and a bad speller

  26. Mossberg500 says:

    Comment by thorichka on 12/12 @ 8:19 am #

    It’s pwn3d, btw.

    Update to thorichkan knowledge!

  27. thorichka says:

    How’s it hangin’ Alpp? Everything Dr.J?

  28. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Gotta love the NYT spin on Rezko: Ex-Obama Fund-Raiser Was Close to Illinois Governor, but Kept Ties Separate

    Yep, that Rezko is the most ethical guy EVAR. He’d never run the risk of having even the appearance of a conflict of interest between his clients.

  29. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam… you forgot Mussolini, Pol Pot and Arafat, or I do I have to wait for a few more posts?

    Whatever, the jig is up concerning Obama’s Presidency. It’s O-ver.

  30. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    jig is up

    Racist.

  31. Bob Reed says:

    Dan,
    Your second link, embedded in the text, “Nope, just moved”, doesn’t lead anywhere either…

    Seems like it’s memory hole time again for this story; even Fox is determined not to play ball with you on this one!

    I too would be inclined to think that Emanuel would not be so stupid as to do any dealmaking with Blagojevich over a telephone line that any thinking person would know to be tapped; but who knows, prhaps all of these Chicagoland types have been feeling their hubris and invincibility lately. Indeed, the entire press corps resides perpetually in the tank for O!, and maybe they think that not only is time short until inauguration but that their allies already inside DOJ can keep this in limbo until that time. Of course, we all know that upon his swearing-in O! will most likely demand the resignation of all the sitting US attorneys, in order to appoint his own people. And, while the press howled when eeeeevil Boooooooosh! replaced 9 US attorneys, they will see absolutely nothing wrong with O! exercising his imperium and putting his own people in place; just as when Billy Jeff replaced all the US attorneys at the beginning of his first term…

    Regardless of the calls for leaving Fitzgerald in place to finish the job in Chicago, make no mistake; he will be fired shortly after January 20. The press will give O! cover on this action the whole way, making it appear as standard operating procedure. And, after recieving a few hours of play, it will never be spoken of again…

    I’m uncertain how this whole drama will conclude. Not only does Blago know which closets all the skeletons are in; he was a pall bearer at most of their funerals! His apparent reference to Michelle O! recieving a job as part of a pay-to-play quid pro quo in the wiretap transcript means that should he ever decide to roll over, like Rezko apparently has, a lot of embarrassing, and possibly damning, could possibly see the light of day…

    But, because organized labor is apparently among the players, certainly mobbed-up as usual, there is also a strong incentive for Blagojevich to keep his mouth shut and take the rap; lest some unfortunate accident occur to him or his loved ones…

    What is apparent is that O! and Co. are trying to figure out who, if anyone, in their organization has been caught up in the web of treachery that the feds have observed and recorded. They must be very careful now to not say too much, but definately to not leave any unexploded ordinance around to foul them up later…

    As the politico piece and Dan duly noted, though; at least they’re doing their part to stimulate the economy!

    Good Friday to all!

  32. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Hey, did anyone know that George Bush got a dui, once?

  33. Salt Lick says:

    who is Al Pacino?

    Better known as Tony Montana, Joe’s brother.

  34. alppuccino says:

    How’s it hangin’ Alpp? Everything Dr.J?

    It’s all good thor. More like Charles Ingalls on the hair front.

  35. BJTexs says:

    Yea. Mr. Peden, and we are not yet clear of the opportunity for Bush to form …

    The Theocracy!

    Obama will never be President but he will be Prelate.

  36. nawoods says:

    “To be fair, SB&P, conversation isn’t necessarily deal-making. And there’s really not much upside to dealing with Blago on the seat, especially knowing that Fitzy is up his ass with a pick axe and a miner’s helmet. It’s not like he was going to give it to the GOP.”

    Then why did he and his people not just say that yes and of course, there were conversations. Why wouldn’t there be. I mean, this is the president-elect and his former senate seat. I would hope that Obama would have some say in who takes over. He is, afterall, now the top dog democrat and RHIP. That’s why the denials don’t make any sense except when considering they have something to hide.

  37. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “Racist” – yeah, I was going to ask….

  38. Techie says:

    Look, when Axelrod said that there were meetings a month ago, nobody batted an eye because that’s what everyone expected. By winning the Presidency, Obama is now the nominal head of his party. One expects him to confer with his own state’s governor, whom is also a member of his party, on his replacement.

    Now, we are told “Nope, nothing of the sort ever happened” a month later after the aforementioned Gov. is indicted. Now, THAT should raise serious eyebrows.

  39. BJTexs says:

    At this point in time, this is less about possible burgeoning questions of Obama organization corruption and more about the ham handed way they’ve handled this kerfuffle.

    As Techie points out, why would anyone blink at meetings between any of Obama’s people and Blago? A simple “Yes we had meetings. No quid pro quo’s were discussed” would have gone a long way to establishing the foundation of Obama’s part in this story.

    Unless…

    These meetings did take place and back scratching was discussed, especially if it might have been recorded and if the tone of the meeting suggested a “business as usual” approach. It will be very interesting to see how this shapes out.

  40. Mr. Pink says:

    It won’t raise any eyebrows Techie his followers lap the sh!t up like ice cream. If O! says it it must be true, damn the evidence and common sense straight to hell. Look over there the economy, fuzzy unicorns, Bush sucks!!!11!!!1

  41. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    These meetings did take place and back scratching was discussed, especially if it might have been recorded

    Yes, they’re stonewalling while trying to figure out exactly what Fitzgerald has on tape.

  42. parsnip says:

    Poor little far right, putting all your hopes into a non-story.

    Cue the bitter tears in 5..4..3

  43. Techie says:

    What, rootveg/alphie, worried that ol’HOPEANDCHANGE will have to throw his Chief of Staff under the bus even before the inauguration?

  44. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Snippy: River. Egypt. Look into it.

  45. Techie says:

    Cause the way the news cycle is moving, it appears we are about 2 weeks away from “This is not the Rahm Emmanuel I thought I knew………”

    Especially if there is tape.

  46. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Yes, they’re stonewalling while trying to figure out exactly what Fitzgerald has on tape.

    And meanwhile also worrying about who’s going to come out of the woodwork to save their own asses, as Fitz suggested about ten times in his Press Conference. Because still, only the omnipotent George Bush can make people disappear without anyone noticing.

  47. parsnip says:

    Read the actual story, Techoe.

    Obama’s guys turned Blago over to the feds.

    It’s the far right who can’t figure out how to spin this story now because tey’ve embarrased themselves yet again with their rapid hatred.

    Where’s that “whitey” tape, guys?

    HAHAHA.

  48. Cave Bear says:

    SBP, surely you are not implying that little Alphie is Da Queen of Denial, are you? I thought Hammer Boi already had that title sewn up a long time ago…:)

  49. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Poor little far right, putting all your hopes into a non-story.

    A projecting parsnip! Must be the atomic energy or something, eh?

  50. Techie says:

    First, show me where whom turned over whom to the Feds, and secondly, for being such upright citizens exposing corruption wherever it may lie, the Obama camp is certainly ACTING like they’ve got something to hide/clean up.

    That whole “appearance of impropriety” bit and all.

  51. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    A talking-to-itself parsnip, too!

  52. thorichka says:

    #

    Comment by parsnip on 12/12 @ 9:35 am #

    Read the actual story, Techoe.

    Obama’s guys turned Blago over to the feds.

    It’s the far right who can’t figure out how to spin this story now because tey’ve embarrased themselves yet again with their rapid hatred.

    Where’s that “whitey” tape, guys?

    HAHAHA.

    Shad up, parsnip!!elevanty!! Where’s that birth certificate!!11!!!11!!!11!! Waaaaaaaah! Stop your mocking us!!!11!!11!!

  53. DarthRove says:

    Yeah. This is a “non-story”, but WHOSE RETHUGLIKKKAN DEVIL-WOMB DID TRIG POP OUT OF? should be on screen crawls for at least a week.

    Got it.

  54. Mr. Pink says:

    So let me get this straight. A couple privates and a few NCO’s abuse prisoners in Abu Gharib and that is a scandal that reaches all the way to the White House and was somehow directly ordered by Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfield. Yet this guy is on tape discussing trying to solicit bribes for a Senate seat from the O! camp, with O!’s freakin Chief of Staff coming on TV a month ago loudly saying that they had had discussions, and yet that is all explained away as us having a “conspiracy” theory. Just cause Obama said so, and now his Chief of Staff throws himself under the bus, this should all just go away and O! knew nothing about it? Jesus you guys need to freakin at least start holding on to the same rationalizations from one day to the next.

  55. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Where’s that “whitey” tape, guys?

    Ask Larry Johnson.

    Who, as you well know, is a Democrat.

  56. thorichka says:

    On cue, a harpy responds to his mimic.

  57. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Obama’s guys turned Blago over to the feds.

    Link?

  58. Techie says:

    Mr. Pink, They are the REALITY BASED community, after all. Don’t you know Obama arose from the Chicago political machine untainted by sin. His magical powers of CHANGE got all his primary opponents DQ’d and his election opponent’s divorce records leaked.

    Clean livin, as my grandfather would put it.

  59. Cave Bear says:

    Techie, the “appearance of impropriety” thing only applies to RethugliKKKans, never Democrats, no matter how dirty they are. Didn’t you get the memo?

  60. BJTexs says:

    Why do you care, alphie/parsnip? Other than lying about the story you should take the same approach you took to the V.Tech. massacre. You remember, when you said it was no big deal because it only represented a small percentage of daily civilian casualties in Iraq? (and, yes, I have the link.)

    So try this on for size:”Blago’s alleged corruption is no big deal as the money he was asking for represents a tiny percentage of our boondoggle to Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    Generic Moral Equivalency: The other white meat!

  61. Mr. Pink says:

    Techie I am just waiting until this becomes a plot by Karl Rove to ruin O!’s presidency.

  62. ThomasD says:

    If people can speculate that Rahm dropped a dime on Blago I guess it’s ok to speculate that Rahm doesn’t want to be know as a rat. Because that might cause alot of other rats to start heading for the exits and Obama doesn’t really want to clean up the whole sewer, just get rid of that meddling Blago.

  63. Mr. Pink says:

    By the way when did the whitey tape become our problem? I musta missed the memo because as far as I remember NOONE BELIEVED THAT CRAP AND IT CAME FROM A DEMOCRAT.

  64. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “Link?”

    “Grimms Fairy Tales”, abridged.

  65. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    Don’t think too much into it, Pink. The idiots in here complaining about far right wing hackery are just projecting. To anyone with an ounce of integrity, it sure looks like some impopriety at the worst or terible leading at the least for O!. As people have said, all he or his camp had to say was they did meet to discuss the empty seat. That is complete understandable. But they didn’t. On top of that, they backtracked after a low level operative named David Axlerod said one thing about the meeting (please sense sarcasm), but now that allegedly was mis-speaking. At the very least, it shows a remarkable lack of planning and control of the O! camp. He’s a leader, alright. Dear leader.

  66. BJTexs says:

    Throwing the “whitey tape” around here is as stupid as it gets. I don’t remember a single regular commentator who’s attitude wasn’t along the lines of, “Well, that would be sort of cool if it existed but it’s being peddled by Hillary tool Larry Johnson in a spasm of Obama hate so, you know, it’s probably a fevered fantasy.”

    Why do trolls have such bad memories? (rhetorical)

  67. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    BJ, alphie sees no difference between an automobile accident where somebody dies and premeditated murder. Again, disregard it. It has absolutely no worth in here.

  68. Techie says:

    Because, BJ, the future is already known, it’s the past that is constantly changing.

  69. parsnip says:

    OI, pulls out the Guilt by Association that worked soooo well for you guys in the last election.

    Why do right wingers have such bad memories?

    FIFY, BJ.

  70. Mr. Pink says:

    Yeah I know OI. Axlerod is about as low-level as you come in O!’s circle. I mean he is just the guy that makes out his daily schedule. Very low indeed. He also makes mistakes all the time, he is just careless sometimes. He is a very sloppy individual. You know kinda like Sandy Berger.

  71. Blaspheemin' JHoward says:

    How much you figger the JuniO!r Senator paid for HIS seat, thor? I mean, they been looking into this mess for five years.

    Oops. Probably not supposed to ask that, eh?

  72. Mr. Pink says:

    “OI, pulls out the Guilt by Association that worked soooo well for you guys in the last election.”

    Uh how is “association” if his campaign had talks with the guy and then lied about it?

  73. alppuccino says:

    Did someone at the Tribune collect big bucks from The Disciples for unsealing Jack Ryan’s divorce papers?

  74. Mr. Pink says:

    So that Scooter Libby thing is now just failed politics of “guilty by association”? Is that how this works?

  75. SarahW says:

    But Axelrod was a paid mouithpiece for O.

  76. JD says:

    alphie/parsnip/sniffles is a fucking joke.

    If Rahmbo had dropped a dime on Blagojevich, wouldn’t it make sense that Merry Fitzmas and Baracky would have noted that prior to now?

    They are having problems with Teh Narrative right now, because they have not chosen which lie to run with. These have been test runs so far.

  77. thorichka says:

    Because they are teh LiArs!11!!!!

  78. Mr. Pink says:

    Yeah also the focus on the guys hair and trying to suggest the guy is insane. Reminds me of how Paula Jones was the chick you find “when you drag a dollar thru a trailer park”, right up until Clinton gave her untold millions in a settlement.

  79. Mr. Pink says:

    “Because they are teh LiArs!11!!!!”

    Jesus Christ don’t you people have any freakin consistancy. You spent the last 8 years calling everyone a liar. WTF!!!!!!!

  80. thorichka says:

    #

    Comment by Blaspheemin’ JHoward on 12/12 @ 10:07 am #

    How much you figger the JuniO!r Senator paid for HIS seat, thor? I mean, they been looking into this mess for five years.

    Oops. Probably not supposed to ask that, eh?

    You mean how much did Tony Rezko pay?

    Mmmm, a lot!

  81. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Who needed a “whitey tape” when you already had Michelle as a proven self-hating racist, etc. etc.? Apparently Progressives did – needing things to be in Black and White, as usual – and then that wouldn’t have counted either. But what a surprise: that Infants do seem to really love playing with themselves? Big deal.

  82. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    “Uh how is “association” if his campaign had talks with the guy and then lied about it?”

    He doesn’t get it, because he doesn’t have the mental capacity TO get it. It’s very simple. They either lied or they have terrible communication and leadership skills.

  83. Blaspheemin' JHoward says:

    That was only rhetorical, thor. Because I trust O!

    I’m supposed to. Ask him.

  84. BJTexs says:

    Well, trolls, we ask the questions and you give us strawmen or insults.

    I forgot that we’re not supposed to ask the questions of !O! Now back to tanning beds and designer clothing cuz those are real scandals.

  85. JD says:

    SarahW – Facts are not relevant to Teh Narrative.

  86. Roland THTG says:

    Just more Chicago street trash antics.
    Dirty Socialists can’t help it.
    It’s not their fault that they’re all fucked up.

    The failed President-elect will keep the bus warmed up.

  87. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    JD – what’s up? How’s work?

  88. B Moe says:

    What did Obama’s advisors drop a dime about? They called Fitz and ratted Blago out for not talking to them?

  89. BJTexs says:

    Yea, BMoe. The obtuse; it boggles the mind.

  90. parsnip says:

    You guys are funny,

    It’s like you’ve already written off 2012.

  91. Mossberg500 says:

    Blago wanted a piece of the Obama pie. Pie for me, not for thee!

  92. Roland THTG says:

    More hopenchange!

    According to Fox News Chicago, Rahm Emanuel had multiple meetings with Gov. Blagojevich, during which Emanuel reportedly offered a list of names of candidates who would be “acceptable” to President-elect Obama. These conversations would have taken place after FBI surveillance was in place, meaning they’d be on tape. Obama has stated that he was confident no one on his staff was involved in any of the Governor’s underhanded dealings; the transition team has made every effort to distance themselves from Blagojevich. The Fox report cites a confidential source that identifies Emanuel by name as having multiple conversations with both Blagojevich and his chief of staff.

    “Driver, MOVE THAT BUS!!!!!!!111”

  93. BJTexs says:

    So, parsnip, those Emanuel meetings. Before, during or after Obama’s people were diming out Blago?

    tool

  94. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    So we’ve gone from “no” meetings to “multiple” meetings.

  95. DarthRove says:

    That’s a non-story, Roland! Why are you talking about a distracting non-story? We have to dig deeper into critical, life-and-planet threatening important stories like tanning beds, exorcisms, and pipeline-blessings!!!11!111!!!!11!

  96. thorichka says:

    Ohnoees, Rahm and a list of names!

    Obama is cooked like a Alaskan moose now!!!11!!!

  97. JHoward says:

    It’s like you’ve already written off 2012.

    I’ve already written off 2009. For you.

  98. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    You mean how much did Tony Rezko pay?

    But WAIT, THERE’S MORE!

    ACT NOW to buy your US Senate seat and we’ll throw in a Blago Signature Edition Flowbee ABSOLUTELY FREE!

    NOW, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY?

  99. BJTexs says:

    You are wrong, thor. Emanuel is only cooked if Obama’s people deny that there were any meetings and …

    Oh, wait…

  100. thorichka says:

    Well, Blago knew who Obama desired to replace him, you know, sans payola, “those MotherfuckerSSSSSSS.” ESP not being credible per the courts, someone must have relayed those names. Chief of Staff? Oh my, now this is big!!11!!

  101. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Seriously, what the fuck is up with that man’s hair? I’d suspect that it was a rug, but I can’t imagine that any manufacturer would design such a thing.

    Maybe it’s a beaver pelt or something?

  102. Techie says:

    We broke the bot again, now it’s just streaming jibberish.

  103. MarkD says:

    Is lying to a Fed still a felony? Just curious. Maybe they ought to repeal that law before we have any more misunderstandings. They already bagged Martha Stewart and Scooter Libby, mission accomplished.

  104. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    How did Blago know that Obama wasn’t willing to pay unless he asked, thor?

    Take your time.

  105. Sdferr says:

    SBP, I thought it was an allusive tribute of solidarity with Radovan Karadzic.

  106. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Right. I missed the Celine reference, nye kulturnik that I am.

  107. thorichka says:

    Obama: innocent as heaven, free as a bird.

  108. geoffb says:

    Obama’s guys turned Blago over to the feds.

    I think it is more likely that they blew the whistle to the press about the wiretaps in order to get the investigation to go public and not proceed any higher.

  109. Barrack Blues says:

    I ran out of gas. I had a flat tire. I didn’t have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! It wasn’t my fault, I swear to god!

  110. Mr. Pink says:

    This is just a replay of the 90’s. You can see here by this comment, “It’s like you’ve already written off 2012.”, that these people only care about “winning” not about actually discussing any of this. As long as he beats those evil rethugs then he can lie, be a crook, and do whatever he wants.

  111. Topsecretk9 says:

    This would be consistent with speculation that Emanuel may have dropped the dime on Blagojevich, but still doesn’t explain the evident trouble Team Obama is having with framing the message.

    Um, the “Rham tipped them off” was a reporter trial balloon that the left jumped on because they are worried and is not consistent with Rham ducking reporters and suddenly in lock down mode.

  112. Techie says:

    Methinks that Obama! won’t get the luxury of “It’s the economy, stupid” this go around.

  113. Topsecretk9 says:

    It’s also not consistent with Obama’s initial statement that they were not in contact with Blago now that we know Rham was many times and with a list of names likely taped.

  114. Roland THTG says:

    “I have never spoken with the governor on this subject. I am confident that no representative of mine would have any part in any deals related to this seat.”

    -BHO!

    Thor, even you are not that stupid.
    I mean, you aren’t are you?

  115. Queen of the Blues says:

    Don’t you blaspheme in here! Don’t you blaspheme in here! Now this is my man and my President-elect and you are gonna just walk right out that door, without ya dry white toast, without ya four fried chickens and without President-elect Barack Obama!

  116. Sdferr says:

    It’s the batteries!” Techie, “the batteries!”

  117. Queen of the Blues says:

    Comprehension getting you down, RTHTG? Explicate!

  118. Roland THTG says:

    The stoopid, it BURNS.

  119. Roland THTG says:

    Oh brother.

  120. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Obama: innocent as heaven, free as a bird.

    Are you telling us He’s had his “last supper” of Soylent Green already, chirp chirp!

  121. thor says:

    The strawman, it WHELPS.

  122. Roland THTG says:

    I think Rahm is an Illinois Nazi.

  123. Roland THTG says:

    I hates me some Illinois Nazis.

  124. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “Queen of the Blues”

    Big Maybelle, I presume?

  125. Roland THTG says:

    Besides which they are all FIBs.

  126. parsnip says:

    “Discussing this” Mr. Pink?

    What a laugh.

    The daily dose of perpetual outrage the far right thrives on is the exact opposite of rational discussion.

    To start winning elections again, you guys will have to join us in the real world.

    We’ll leave the light on.

    And we’ll also continue to mock you faux outrage, of course.

  127. Mossberg500 says:

    Etta James!

  128. Mr. Pink says:

    What burns me is not the stupidity, I can deal with stupidity. They are totally inconsistant, irrational, and hold 2 sets of standards, one for “their” guys, and one for who they think are “our” guys. They also will completely ignore the topic of most posts if they are negative about “their” guy, and just go on rants about how much they hate “our” guys.

  129. Mr. Pink says:

    “The daily dose of perpetual outrage the far right thrives on is the exact opposite of rational discussion.”

    Comments like this make me believe this guy has been living in a freakin cave for the past 8 years.

  130. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    How did Blago know that Obama wasn’t willing to pay unless he asked, thor?

    Take your time.

    Tick-tock, tick-tock.

  131. Mr. Pink says:

    If you want to talk about “faux” (I hate the f@cking word) outrage come back to me after the next anti-war rally when O! is president. I wonder if they will even go thru the pretense? I doubt it, most will probably sit home basking in the contented glow of their Savior!!!!11!!!!

  132. Mossberg500 says:

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 12/12 @ 11:08 am #

    How did Blago know that Obama wasn’t willing to pay unless he asked, thor?

    Take your time.

    Tick-tock, tick-tock.

    Trite thorhoid Palin moose reference in 5, 4, 3…

  133. kelly says:

    “To start winning elections again, you guys will have to join us in the real world.”

    Yeah, gotta love the real world where your congressmnan takes bribes and stashes the loot in the freezer. Or where the Chairman of the Ways and Means committee (y’know where they write tax laws) is in deep ethical trouble over…wait for it, back unpaid taxes. Or where a Democratic governor attempts to sell a vacant senate seat. Or where…oh hell, why bother. Tool

  134. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “Etta James!”

    snif – All I can do is cry, now that O!’s approaching o.ooo!

  135. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “Stop the Wedding”

  136. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    ” Or where…oh hell, why bother. Tool”

    Bingo. There is no there, there. Point and laugh, people. Point and laugh.

  137. Mossberg500 says:

    O says Trust in Me, but I just can’t! Somethings Got A Hold On Me, it’s just not love, possibly my wallet!

  138. JD says:

    “The daily dose of perpetual outrage the far right thrives on is the exact opposite of rational discussion.”

    The complete and utter lack of self awareness, and the complete redaction of the last 8 years in order for alphie/sniffles/parsnips to be able to state this is simply breath-taking.

  139. Mr. Pink says:

    JD when you figure the next anti-war rally is scheduled? You know since they “care” so much about the troops and this illegal war.

  140. Carin says:

    I’ve asked you guys to not associate trolls with my beloved Tool.

    Honestly, is it too much to ask? So many other pejoratives you could use.

  141. Carin says:


    The daily dose of perpetual outrage the far right thrives on is the exact opposite of rational discussion.

    The irony is rich in that one, snippy.

    Your premise is that there is no way in hell the One knew anything about Blago, right? He ran as a reformer, right? He was going to bring transparency back into government.

    Yea, he’s going to be transparent. As soon as his lawyers scrub through the info.

  142. Mr. Pink says:

    Tool sucks almost as bad as Fu Fighters. That song “Simply the Best” repeats the words “the best” 47 times. It is the worst piece of garbage I have ever heard.

  143. Carin says:

    Mr. Pink, I’m going to have to ask you to stop right now. Before you go to far, sir.

    The Foo Fighters are a respectable band. Don’t like “Best of You” – try “The Pretender” or “Ballad of the Beconsfield Miners.”

    But, Tool is nothing like the Foo Fighters.

  144. Mr. Pink says:

    In my defense I used to have a hat with the Tool isignia on the front. I am not a fan of the band though and I absolutely detest Dave Groll. I mean really try saying “the best” 47 times, it takes up over 1 minute. That is half the song there repeating 2 words. It is pathetic, it is a joke, and the played the hell out of it on the radio. Korn has 5 times as many good songs as both of those bands.

  145. JD says:

    Mr. PInk – They do not care about that. Every one of their “issues” can be distilled down to the fact that they could not stand having a Republican in power. Now that Baracky, SanFranNan, and Reid are running the show, all of their perpetual feigned outrage will disappear, and they will spend their next 4 years looking towards the next election.

    The band Tool is an exception to the common meaning of the word tool, of which alphie/sniffles/parsnip is a textbook example.

  146. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Somethings Got A Hold On Me, it’s just not love, possibly my wallet!

    I’m gonna’ keep my eyesight, too, thank you. ‘Just not very Pushover progressive that-a-way. – They’d Rather Go Blind, as proven.

  147. Carin says:

    Korn has 5 times as many good songs as both of those bands.

    Look, if you want to throw down over this, I’m willing. I’m not invested in Foo Fighters (although I like them), but you’re batshit crazy if you think Korn is better than Tool.

  148. Topsecretk9 says:

    The daily dose of perpetual outrage the far right thrives on is the exact opposite of rational discussion.

    Like this?

  149. parsnip says:

    Carin,

    Why does it surprise you that Obama operates like a winner operates?

    Of course he’s being careful, but he’s also busy.

    It’s morning again in America.

    I actually saw on Fox News a list of the foreign auto makers the Senate Republicans were siding with on the Detroit bailout.

    Stranger things to come I bet.

  150. Techie says:

    The circle is complete.

    It’s come to “He may be a crook, but he’s OUR crook”. And we didn’t even need to wait to the inauguration. Apparently, that’s how a “winner” acts.

  151. Carin says:

    Yea, and those Senate Republicans are from which states with foreign automakers in their states? Tangled web being woven.

  152. Mr. Pink says:

    I am listening to Aenema right now to remind me of how bad Tool is.

  153. Mr. Pink says:

    The 7 minute instrumental known as Anima is also crappy.

  154. Mossberg500 says:

    We’ll be Out of the Rain in four years, and get a real conservative At Last.

  155. kelly says:

    In the spirit of comraderie and, topically, the holidays, I shall hereforth abstain from using the word tool in the pejorative sense and replace it with the far more comtemptuous knob.

    Merry Christmas, Carin.

  156. Carin says:

    Anema isn’t one of their best. Here’s a list of my favorite Tool songs- no particular order

    Eulogy
    Forty Six & 2
    H.
    Jimmy
    Lateralus
    Parabol
    Parabola (of course)
    Pushit
    Third Eye (love love love)
    Rosetta Stoned
    10,000 Days (wings part2)

    Kelly, you effort has been noted,and you will find a little extra something in your stocking this year.

  157. Mr. Pink says:

    Aren’t Presidents supposed to wait until after their inauguration to become embroiled in lies and scandal?

  158. Carin says:

    Well, Obama did say he was going to bring about change …

  159. parsnip says:

    “Embroiled” meaning a wingnut Hail Mary, Mr. Pink?

    Could you guys at least try to be a credible opposition?

    Please?

    Just flap a wing or hop about a bit or something?

    I feel like Dick Cheney hunting pigeons with their wings cut off.

  160. DarthRove says:

    Please, please! All this contention over bands!

    Let’s all just come together and agree that Nickelback sucks.

  161. Carin says:

    I’m gonna be a Democrat here and say we can come together when you’re all in agreement with me.

  162. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    DarthRove wins it. Hell yes, they suck. They are teh suck.

  163. Techie says:

    Since none of you guys have mentioned Porcupine Tree yet, I’ll have to claim the high ground.

  164. Mr. Pink says:

    Creed sucks too.

  165. JD says:

    STFU, sniffles/alphie/parsnip. Good Allah, you are tiresome.

  166. Mr. Pink says:

    Embroiled meaning that his Senior Advisor has already had to call his own words lies in order to make O!’s statements not look like lies. Someone is lieing I think.

  167. Mr. Pink says:

    Hell when you can change the definition of “misspoke” from saying there is 57 states on the campaign trail to an entire interview where you reference O!’s meetings and discussions then anything is possible I guess.

  168. sears poncho says:

    Mr. Pink, I’m sure we’ll be getting the operative statement from the Obama administration (elect) sometime very soon, making the other statements inoperative.

  169. Mr. Pink says:

    Sears I think he will just wait for this to go away. I am sure the press will be more than happy to agree with him on that score.

  170. sears poncho says:

    I think you have the right of it, Mr. Pink. Oh and Nickleback really does suck.

  171. Mr. Pink says:

    In a sucking contest, Creed would outsuck a 2 dollar Thai hooker.

  172. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I’ve been away for a while, but I see that neither snippy nor thor have answered this:

    How did Blago know that Obama wasn’t willing to pay unless he asked?

    Well?

    We’re all waiting to hear how Teh One’s Magical Healing Powers (not to mention his “kind eyes”) managed to psychically convey that information to Blago.

  173. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Translation: thor isn’t going to answer the question.

    Poor thor. It’s slowly starting to sink in that Obama blew a load in his mouth and isn’t even going to call him the next day.

  174. Mr. Pink says:

    He didn’t even tap the top of thor’s head before he did it either. I mean come on you are at least supposed to warn them the first time to discover their preference.

  175. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    BTW, thor, one here gives a shit about Norm Coleman.

    Try harder if you’re going to deflect, m’kay?

  176. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    “No one here”, that should say.

    Now, thor: how did Blago know that Obama wasn’t going to fork over the loot?

  177. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Pretty amazing, when not even thor and snippy can concoct an excuse.

    This would account for a substantial portion of the delay, I’d guess.

    Even Teh Lightworker can’t think up an explanation for that one that won’t induce an instant bellylaugh.

  178. Mr. Pink says:

    I can give it a shot. All he needs to do is give a speech telling us we need to start having a national discussion on government corruption. Seemed to explain away 20 years of attending a racist church why not try the play again?

  179. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Could you guys at least try to be a credible opposition?

    Why bother? It’s O-ver…Roy Orbison.

  180. Roland THTG says:

    Misprision of felony is the concealment of a felony committed by another person, but without such previous concert with, or subsequent assistance of the offender, as would make the concealer an accessory before or after the fact. The offence is a misdemeanour punishable on indictment by fine and imprisonment.

  181. DarthRove says:

    C’mon, now. Team Lightworker is coming up with The Answer as we speak. It will be disseminated later today complete with a Blessing from The One and a fruit basket from the Holy Concubine M’chelle.

  182. Ric Locke says:

    Yeah, thor.

    “Look! Over there! Something else to talk about! We can’t have this!”

    BUUUUUUUUWAHAHAHAHA!

    Regards,
    Ric

  183. Techie says:

    Quit whining and start your own blog, thor. This thread is about how the Lightworker’s staff may or may not be connected perhaps the largest State level corruption scandal in the past 15 years.

  184. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    But Sarah Palin may have tried to get the State Trooper who tased an 1l year old kid fired!

    What about that? Huh? Huh?

  185. Techie says:

    I know, SBP, did you hear she bought a TANNING BED too? Also, she can see Russia from her house. Actually, that explains a lot. thor is insanely jealous, seeing as he’s constantly pining for the Motherland.

  186. Mr. Pink says:

    SBP, you know when you put it in that perspective their bleatings sound even more intellectually dishonest. They have to be trying to be this full of shit.

  187. BJTexs says:

    My nomination for unintended irony quote of the year:

    Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D) said it was “un-American” for senators to have voted against approving a bailout of troubled automakers last night, saying their vote may cause a recession to become a depression.

    “It is unacceptable for this un-American, frankly, behavior of these U.S. senators to cause this country to go from a recession into a depression,” Granholm said during a radio interview Friday morning.

    Somebody please check on Carin and make sure she hasn’t banged a hole through her wall with her head. Remember; Not voting in favor of tossing taxpayer borrowed money after the UAW refuses to make wage concessions on their current contract? Un-American!

  188. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Aw, c’mon, Techie — Chicago is the city that corruption built, all the way from the Mud City and Levee district days to the First Ward ball to Big Jim Colisimo to Johnny Torio to Dion O’Bannion to Mayor Daley to today.

    Team Lightworker might be able to walk on water, but they obviously slithered out of a sewer to get here.

  189. parsnip says:

    I think the point is that the Republican Senators were doing the bidding of Toyota, Honda, etc. JD.

    They might as well, the Republicans have lost the support of America.

  190. BJTexs says:

    Crap! “tossing taxpayer borrowed money at the feckless car makers…

    Preview! Preview! Where for art thou, preview?

  191. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Hey, snippy: How did Blago know that Obama wasn’t going to fork over the loot?

  192. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Also, she wears nice clothes when she goes on television.

    The nerve.

  193. Roland THTG says:

    TRIG!!!!
    Coleman!!
    Whitey Tape!!!
    ZOMG YOU RETHUGLICANS ARE INSANE!!!!!

  194. BJTexs says:

    Second nomination for irony quote of the year:

    (Rep. Barney Frank)”No. We’re not propping up companies. That’s your mistake,” he tells Stahl, who had asked him about taxpayer money going to prop up companies that had made bad decisions. “We’re propping up individuals. The world doesn’t consist of companies. The world is people. The country is people.”

    When Stahl points out that Frank is then talking about welfare, he responds, “Yeah, I’m for welfare. You’re not? Are you for letting people starve?”

    We’re propping up people, bitches! The companies just go along, like children after the pied piper!

  195. Mr. Pink says:

    Firing 9 federal prosecutors under Executive powers=teh crime of the century

    Radically differing statements by the President and Presidential officials concerning a sitting Governor from the President’s home state putting a Senate seat up for auction=nothing to see here move along

  196. BJTexs says:

    Barney Frank’s new math: Bailouts for Companies = Welfare for People

    quot erat absurdum

  197. sears poncho says:

    BJTexas, wonder how Barney Frank would react to Walmart coming to congress hat in hand?

  198. Mossberg500 says:

    BJTexas, wonder how Barney Frank would react to Walmart coming to congress hat in hand?

    Barney’s looking for user-friendly, hat-in-lap executives who’ll suck up to him…er…nevermind!

  199. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “…the Republicans have lost the support of America.”

    And to think I could have had a V8.

  200. Ron Burgundy says:

    Comment by Techie
    Quit whining and start your own blog, thor. This thread is about how the Lightworker’s staff may or may not be connected perhaps the largest State level corruption scandal in the past 15 years.

    You mean Obama’s staff knew the Republican Governor of Ohio and Bob Ney, too! Wow, these people are dirty!

  201. DarthRove says:

    Please. Bob “d’uhhhh” Taft was too dumb to tie his shoes, let alone compete with the Chicago Machine in dirty politics.

  202. Ron Burgundy says:

    Oh, and Spies, are you predicting Rahm discussed this with Blogo? ‘Cause, I’m still all fuzzy with glee over your last prediction (was it McCain by 5 in the popular vote of only three?). Could you move from there to how that would be a crime or are you working an “Arkansas Project”/Mena airport thing and?

    As far as your bullshit Hannity-esque question, how the fuck do you know Rahm did offer anything or hear an offer? You don’t, just like no one but Rahm and Blago do.

    How many angels dance on the head of a pin? Why can’t one prove a negative? Why can’t you prove North never spoke to Reagan about diverting funds to the Contras? Why can’t you tell us if Cheney directed Libby to tell the press about Plame and Wilson? Why can’t you tell Palin didn’t use her email account for official business? Why can’t you tell us that none of Rove’s lost RNC emails contained the plans to fire the USDA’s for political reasons?

    Why, because one cannot prove a negative and one cannot say how someone else KNOWS something without evidence. And, while your suppositions are as empty your hand when you pleasure yourself to Plain in that turkey snuff video, it’s a bit annoying to see you post it twenty times. Either get a job as Hannity’s producer or STFU until there’s actual evidence.

  203. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Oh, and Spies, are you predicting Rahm discussed this with Blogo?

    Pink Chablis: try reading. Start at comment #10.

    Now, answer the question.

  204. DarthRove says:

    Shorter Ron:

    All your opinion are belong to us.

  205. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Making up fucktarded deflections is not an answer, by the way.

    But you knew that.

    You’re shitting your pants about this, aren’t you?

  206. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Cause, I’m still all fuzzy with glee over your last prediction (was it McCain by 5 in the popular vote of only three?).

    By the way, Chablis: I was wrong about that.

    See how that works?

    Now, answer the question.

  207. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Someone else is going to have to water and fertilize Ron, I’m plumb out right now – something appropriate for a grape, I take it.

  208. Mossberg500 says:

    STFU until there’s actual evidence.

    Looks like Mr. Buggery is using the mari-an debating tactics. Well done, sir!

  209. Ron Burgundy says:

    “Radically differing statements by the President and Presidential officials concerning a sitting Governor from the President’s home state putting a Senate seat up for auction=nothing to see here move along

    Moving permanently to hacktackularstan, Mr. pink has forgotten for the moment his visceral hatred for the Reverend Wright to call something else not radical “radical.” My staff had no conversation regarding negotiating now is radically different than the chief of staff met with Blago. They’re not radically different. Again, let’s re-visit hack-dom: my allies make mistakes; my enemies lie.”

    By the way, for the second day in a row, you have called Axlerod his chief of staff. He is not. He is a Senior Political Adviser. Any chance you could that right?

  210. Ric Locke says:

    Ron, m’man, you need to man up and take it a bit. Or just eff off and die.

    Bush was AWOL, y’know, and if there’s no evidence just manufacture some. And Karl Rove outed Valerie Plame, and there was no WMD, and torture at Abu Ghraib came Right From the Top (except that the Senator is immune), and Bush Lied People Died, and and and and…

    Oh, and it’s been known for years that Chicago politics is dirty beyond belief. Now it would appear that Barack (May His Glorious Name Be Praised) Obama came up through the Chicago political system, giving and taking political support and favors for twenty years, without ever noticing any corruption. And Sara Palin is incurious and doesn’t notice things…

    BUUUUUUUUUUUUWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Regards,
    Ric

  211. “It is unacceptable for this un-American, frankly, behavior of these U.S. senators to cause this country to go from a recession into a depression,” Granholm said during a radio interview Friday morning.

    Somebody please check on Carin and make sure she hasn’t banged a hole through her wall with her head. Remember; Not voting in favor of tossing taxpayer borrowed money after the UAW refuses to make wage concessions on their current contract? Un-American!

    I can’t even listen to the radio anymore. Frankly, everyone’s a hypocrite. I can’t stand it anymore. I’m sure fucking glad they bailed out Wall Street. Wouldn’t want those billionaires to have to mix with the proles. If GM goes under (strike that, when) there are going to be a whole lot of other people (who have nothing to do with Unions) who are going to be losing their job.

    Fucking unions. Fucking politicians. I hate ’em all.

  212. Techie says:

    I like how we now have had TWO trolls tell us to “STFU” in the last 24 hours. Weren’t these guys “winners”? Cause otherwise I’d have wagered they were shitting their pants.

  213. Ron Burgundy says:

    You can’t even answer the question. I asked you the same question in reverse. Do you know if Rahm DID talk to the Governor about a quid pro quo or that he received an offer?

    I answered your question, moron. I do not and no one can say what happened.

    Lastly, no I’m not worried about this. I’m amused at yet another conservative coup attempt.

    You can’t impeach for a blow job here, pirate, since the Congress is Dems. In fact, short of Obama on tape offering something for the seat, a fact we know did not happen, you have nothing. You’re stuck trying to bring down Rahm Emanuel. Aim high, Spies, aim high.

    No, I plan on watching you wail for four years, until your next ass-whooping (go ahead and make your prediction now, SPB, it will save you the trouble of being grossly wrong later). So, as watch you get your masturbatory glee from supposition, maybes, and innuendo, I am amused. But, this gotcha question? It’s so……JD of you. You can do better. Don’t be that guy. Go back to Free Republic or Newsmax and give us an update on that birth certificate.

  214. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Do you know if Rahm DID talk to the Governor about a quid pro quo or that he received an offer?

    Translation: you’re going to keep spinning.

    As I said, go back to #10 and read it.

    Slowly.

    Then come up with any plausible way that Blago could’ve known that Obama wasn’t going to pay him off without, you know, talking to him (or his advisors).

    You can’t, and you know it.

    Now, STFU yourself.

  215. Ron Burgundy says:

    And Karl Rove outed Valerie Plame, and there was no WMD, and torture at Abu Ghraib came Right From the Top (except that the Senator is immune), and Bush Lied People Died, and and and and…

    Ric, I understand things aren’t that clear from Texas, but you do realize that everything you mentioned in that paragraph IS true. Rove admitted telling Matt Cooper about Plame, there were no WMD’s in Iraq, and a Senate report released yesterday signed by John McCain and some Dem Senate did find culpability for Abu Garib went “to the top.”

    I mean, did you not know those things or do you not follow the news or did someone still your ID?

    best,
    Your better

  216. Techie says:

    Awww come on, Ronnie, there’s something like 300 hours of tape to go through. We’re just “airing questions”, like one excitable writer once putit.

  217. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Rove admitted telling Matt Cooper about Plame, there were no WMD’s in Iraq, and a Senate report released yesterday signed by John McCain and some Dem Senate did find culpability for Abu Garib went “to the top.”

    I’m sure you’d like us to get bogged down in hashing out your old talking points again, Pink Chablis.

    Too bad this thread isn’t about any of that stuff.

    Now, answer the fucking question.

  218. Ron Burgundy says:

    I like how we now have had TWO trolls tell us to “STFU” in the last 24 hours. Weren’t these guys “winners”? Cause otherwise I’d have wagered they were shitting their pants.

    The HIVEMIND strikes again! I told SPB he should STFU with his gotcha question. He is not you; you are not him. No matter how many times you have cuddled with each other after the hot love-making, you are not one.

    but, just for the record, Techie, if you and spies ever decide to make that thing official, I support the right of you crazy kids to go on to City Hall and do that big, glitzy, sequined wedding you both dream of.

  219. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I told SPB he should STFU with his gotcha question.

    Tell me all you want, Chablis.

    That question isn’t going to go away, and I’m not the only one asking it.

    Better think up a plausible answer. Pronto.

  220. Techie says:

    Awww, how sweet. I know that revealing Obama to be, gasp, surrounded by Chicago politicians is shattering your worldview. It’s not good to keep it all inside. It’s okay to let it out. It’s healthy, releasing.

  221. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    BTW, Chablis, I’m pretty sure that you can’t tell federal grand juries to “STFU”, or go off onto a “BUSH LIIIIIIIIIIIED ABOUT WMD!” screechfest, so I wouldn’t count on those tactics if I were you.

  222. Techie says:

    Also, homophobe. I denounce both you and myself for the denouncement.

  223. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Attn. assorted fruits and vegetables, no worries: first there’s denial, then anger, then grief, then acceptance – depending, of course, on just how far along the atomic energy has managed to “elevate” you from your seed pod origins.

  224. Cave Bear says:

    Shorter Ronnie The Red; “IMPEACHMENT FOR BLOWJOB! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! I CAN’T PROVE A NEGATIVE; OH, WOE IS ME! CHANGE THE DAMN SUBJECT, QUICK!”

  225. Mossberg500 says:

    Look for perfesser daddy-hate to show up and accuse Jeff of promoting “teh ghey bashing” due to comments on PW.

  226. Ric Locke says:

    Rove admitted telling Cooper about Plame after your man Armitrage spread the news all over town, Ron. Hindsight is great stuff, ain’t it? And very little WMD was found in Iraq despite every intelligence service in the world telling us it was there, and you have no idea how little second-guessing after the fact by the co-author of McCain-Feingold means to me.

    Oh, and the only way out is vigorous diplomacy, but Rumsfeld shook Saddam’s hand and that proves culpability, and Cheney’s previously-agreed deferred compensation ABSOLUTELY PROVES that it was all to profit Halliburton, and Laura Bush was found culpable in a fatal auto accident so she’s a MURDERER but Bobby Kennedy is a saint depressed by losing the company of Mary Jo, and datamining for terrorists is an unconstitional and unconscionable SHREDDING of all Americans’ Right to Privacy, and and and and…

    You and your fellows have spent the last nine years blowing any minor peccadillo or slightly questionable action into PROOOOOOF POSITIVE THAT THE RETHUGGGLIKKANS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA, and you had damned well better realize that what goes around, comes around.

    BUUUUUUUUWAHAHAHAHA!

    Regards,
    Ric

  227. B Moe says:

    How many angels dance on the head of a pin? Why can’t one prove a negative?

    Does Ron Burgundy have a rev limiter?

    there were no WMD’s in Iraq

    Where does he red line? Should we be alarmed?

  228. Ron Burgundy says:

    Spies, prove he did.

    In absence of the fact I did already said no one could answer, let me say any of the following is possible:

    Blago knew he couldn’t shake down the president-elect of the United States.

    He knew because he and Harris had already spit-balled and Blago knew Obama hated him (“I’ll be doing my convention speech at 4am in a bathroom stall in the Denver Convention Center”).

    He knew because he had mentioned it to his DC friends and they told him to f off.

    He knew because he BELIEVED like a 19 college girl all the hopey changey stuff and he’s secretly an Obama fan boy.

    He knew because when Balgo first ran in 2002, Obama supported his primary opponent and he knew Obama wouldn’t give him anything now, since he didn’t like him then.

    He knew because Jeff Goldstein, Darleen Click, and Dan Collins all flew to Chicago and told him over a meal of hot wings that Obama wouldn’t do it.

    I don’t know how he knew, Spies, and for the third time neither do you. So, as entertaining as your hannity impression is, asnswer this, have you come yet from the excessive masturbatory thrill you get when you try to bring Obama down?

    Or, will you persist on saying, after I’ve answered three times, that I answer your bullshit question?

  229. Techie says:

    See, Ronnie, this time, there appears to be tape, and IF, IF Rahm is the currently unnamed Washington advisor, then, well………..it’s not very Hopey and Changey to hve to throw your Chief of Staff under the bus even before the Electoral College has met.

    And IF it isn’t, then this is a preview of an Obama Administration in CRISIS MODE, and that mode currently seems to consist of lying about easily verifiable occurrences, going against both political and common sense, and stonewalling investgative subjects out of the press’s scrutiny.

    Wow, I can hardly wait for 4 years of this.

  230. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    oops, that I denounce myself should go without saying, from now on, including being UNAMERICAN!

  231. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Blago knew he couldn’t shake down the president-elect of the United States.

    ROD BLAGOJEVICH and Advisor A discussed leaking to
    the same particular Chicago Sun-Times columnist that ROD BLAGOJEVICH is seriously considering Senate Candidate 5 for the open Senate seat, in order to send a message to the President-elect that there are options for the Senate seat beyond Senate Candidate 1.

    Moron.

    I don’t know how he knew, Spies, and for the third time neither do you.

    Yes, you do, and so do I.

    Moron.

  232. B Moe says:

    Do you believe Rahm when he says he is getting death threats, Ron? Who would be giving those death threats, do you suppose, and why?

    Also, before you get too wound up in this proving a negative horseshit, remember Fitz was rolling tape, we will eventually hear it.

  233. Mr. Pink says:

    .” My staff had no conversation regarding negotiating now is radically different than the chief of staff met with Blago.?

    The chief of staff said Obama had talked to Blago

  234. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    “best,
    Your better”

    LOL!!!! Funniest thing EVER said in here, that wasn’t meant to be funny.

  235. Mr. Pink says:

    That is radically different than O!’s statement he never talked to the guy or even had contacts with him.

  236. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    I think the guy behind the ron burgundy name got it all wrong. I think he meant Brick Tamland. He reminds me more of Brick.

  237. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    Going around coming around is certainly facititated by the fact that the Leftoids were projecting the whole time. In fact, we may only have to stock up on popcorn.

  238. Mr. Pink says:

    Ron would you take this bullshit from GW with a smile on your face like your doing now and call it guilt by association?

  239. geoffb says:

    And another non-English speaking, “in his cups” troll arrives.

    Thank you Lord.

  240. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Chablis doesn’t even believe his own bullshit, Mr. Pink.

  241. Cave Bear says:

    I got your “better” right here, bitch.

    “I understand things aren’t that clear from Texas, but you do realize that everything you mentioned in that paragraph IS true. Rove admitted telling Matt Cooper about Plame, there were no WMD’s in Iraq, and a Senate report released yesterday signed by John McCain and some Dem Senate did find culpability for Abu Garib went “to the top.”

    No, things are actually quite clear here in Texas, especially when some leftwingnut limpdick comes around spouting the same old lies that have been shot down about 10,000 times already. We can see clearly that you are a lying sack of shit.

    And frankly, I could give a rat’s ass about anything McCain signed at this point. The notion that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or whoever other leftie bugaboo your little pecker gets hard over, would send down orders to some troops working in an Iraqi lockup to put panties on the heads or other such “humiliations” on assorted Muzzie shitheads, or that they gave orders to “out” a CIA employee who was not in a position to be outed in the first place, because she was married to a proven liar, etc, ad nauseam….

    Well, all I can say is blow it out your ass, Goober. You and the rest of your leftie pals have been having wet dreams for the past eight years over the thought of impeaching Bush. Well, it’s almost over now, and you could never come up with squat. Not for lack of trying, but none of your bullshit stories stuck, for the simple reason that they were bullshit to start with.

    So rejoice, Ronnie. You got what you wanted. Your Marxist, racist, Chicago machine pol who has never accomplished a thing of import in his life is now going to be POTUS, and GWB will be gone. You better be ready for the consequences…

  242. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    “facititate” – That’s what I get for letting the dog handle the produce. Bitches.

  243. Mr. Pink says:

    I do like how since Kos called this “failed guilt by association the Republicans tried in the election” htey all parrot it.

  244. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    I guess it would make sense to a Progressive fruit or vegetable to out someone in a way that it would both lend cred to her ding-a-ling hubby and point right back to their own vegetative bad self. So I can’t wait.

  245. Techie says:

    IF Rahm is the hero of the day, bravely blowing the whistle on Blago’s operations, why is he hiding from the media?

    Shouldn’t both he and Obama be shouting it from the rooftops?

  246. Roland THTG says:

    Shouldn’t both he and Obama be shouting it from the rooftops?

    Just so.

    Annnnnnnnd, this is the uuuuuuuuuuhh change…………..we’ve been waiting for.

  247. Techie says:

    I mean, surely, even if there is a gag order, Fitz would let Rahm release a statement to the effect of “My staff and I have fully cooperated with the investigation. I cannot further comment on an ongoing investigation without approval from the US Attorney’s office”.

    I mean, cause right now, it looks like their “star witness/whistleblower/source” is being left to twist in the wind a bit.

  248. J."Trashman" Peden says:

    I do like how since Kos called this “failed guilt by association the Republicans tried in the election” htey all parrot it.

    ~”The Monkeys know it is true because they all say it.” -Mogli, a.k.a., Sabu- What a friggin’ mutant’s Zoo Parade.

  249. thor says:

    sPies threatens to call the police on Barack Obama in 4,3,2,

  250. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    thor answers the question in…well… never.

    Did you have a good cry, thor?

    Better save some for later, my friend.

  251. Old Texas Turkey says:

    America: Hey wait a minute, we thought we elected “Hope and Change”, a fundamental new way of doing things?

    Obama: Well .. yeah. Theres no way that thats gonna happen. I’m from Chicago y’know. Frankly, I assure you, I am as disappointed as you.

    America: What about all the promises? Ending the war, greeen jobs, punishing greedy oil companies? You told us, you would bring about sweeping change! A whole new way. A new beginning.

    Obama: Yea, those were a bad assumptions on my part. I fucked up, sorry.

    America: But what about all the things the media told me?

    Obama: They fucked up too.

    America: What about Congress and the new majority?

    Obama: Are you kidding me? They couldn’t find their way out of a paper bag with a map and a guide.

    America: Well thats just great asshole, what do I tell the poor and those without healthcare?

    Obama: Tell them you fucked up.

    America: Fuck you.

    Obama: Fuck you.

    (adapted from subprime works; http://tinyurl.com/2kvosz
    )

  252. B Moe says:

    sPies threatens to call the police on Barack Obama in 4,3,2,

    I think they have already been notified, thor old buddy. Been quite a hub bub about it the last few days in fact.

  253. kelly says:

    Obama: You trusted me, you fucked up.

  254. thor says:

    Are the angry redumblican circus clowns still huffing shoe glue?

    It looks to be, Doctor.

  255. Techie says:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16520.html

    From Ed Rendell’s lips to God’s ears. Wow, good to hear about all that lack of executive experience now, you know, after the election.

  256. Mikey NTH says:

    Malone: “Welcome to Chicago. This town stinks like a whorehouse at low tide.”

    And Mr. Obama is the only virgin in that whorehouse?

  257. kelly says:

    Have you swallowed Obama’s load, thor, or are you swishing it around in your mouth?

  258. Roland THTG says:

    He saves it in his spit bottle.

  259. Mikey NTH says:

    My guess is that Mr. Emanuel is trying to remember exactly what was said to Gov. Blagojevich, and how much is on tape. I am sure others in the Obama camp are wondering the same thing. Nice time to be a lawyer. The oscillating air circulation device has been well and truly hit – how far the spray will land is what all are waiting for.

    Merry Fitzmas! Gaia bless us, one and all!

  260. Mikey NTH says:

    “I have no trouble with my enemies. I can take care of my enemies in a fight. But my damn friends, they’re the ones who keep me walking the floor nights.” Warren Harding – perhaps Mr. Obama now.

  261. Salt Lick says:

    Until today, I thought there was no way Blago’s troubles would involve Obama. C’mon, Obi Wan’s not gotten where he is without being a pretty cagey guy.

    But then I started factoring in hubris. Remember how Obama and his campaign were so incredibly cocky in the election? This was their time. It was pre-ordained. They were the change they’d been waiting for.

    That stuff will go to your head. You get careless. Then something unexpected happens. I mean, who saves a semen-stained dress?

  262. kelly says:

    “I mean, who saves a semen-stained dress?”

    Thor would if he knew the semen was Obama’s.

  263. Pablo says:

    He knew because he and Harris had already spit-balled and Blago knew Obama hated him (”I’ll be doing my convention speech at 4am in a bathroom stall in the Denver Convention Center”).

    Which is why O! endorsed Blago, worked on his campaign, accepted his endorsements, etc… Because of the hate.

    Oh, and Creed sucked because Scott Stapp is a douchenozzle. The band was not half bad, see Tantric.

  264. Pablo says:

    I don’t know how he knew, Spies, and for the third time neither do you.

    Ah, Ron is incurious. Have you ever killed a moose, Ron? Or been an Oil and Gas Commissioner for a large state? How about Governor?

  265. donald says:

    It’s funny about that senate vote on the auto bail out. There was a test votes. 10 Republicans, sucked so bad that they voted for the bill. That should have been enough. However, it appears the Kerry, Clinton, and I can’t find the other major players, did not vote at all. They’ve got the votes. The can get it any time they want, and they’ll do it after the inaguration. They have to, because they must appease their union thugs. Unless of course Bush does if for them. Then when it fails miserably they can blame Bush for it all! Look, the companies have to file banruptcy. This will cancel their onerous and stupid union contracts. Only then can they gain some semblence of sanity and rebuild. All three companies make great vehicles. It’s been thrown around that they make crappy stuff people don’t want. That’s not the case. They cost too much for some people, because they are infested with the filth of the UAW. That’s all.

  266. donald says:

    Whoops, a correction. Those not voting were Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, and Wyden. Also, one of the 4 democrats voting no was…Harry Reid. Once again, they had 56 votes.

  267. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    HARRY MOTHERFUCKING REID voted against it?

    And it’s the “Republicans” who supposedly killed it?

  268. Pablo says:

    Reid’s no vote was procedural as it allows him to reintroduce the bill, and he didn’t cast it until it was clear that cloture was going to fail. Harry is a dirty socialist cocksucker and that no vote is not evidence to the contrary.

  269. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Aha.

    Thanks, Pablo.

  270. donald says:

    Sorry Pablo, I should have pointed that out. That was the entire voting strategy of the “leadership”…such as it is. The entire charade was a procedural maneuver to “blame” the republicans. I wasn’t quite awake.

    By the way, and I can never link anything. Look up the No Depresson website this morning. Great article on Jason and the Scorchers!

  271. Ron Burgundy says:

    I don’t know how he knew, Spies, and for the third time neither do you.
    Yes, you do, and so do I.
    Moron.

    So, spies finally makes an accusation: that he knows something. I find that hard to believe, but could you tell us what your know? You know Blago and Emmanuel talked about illegal quid pro quos. I go ahead and call you a liar for saying you know that, Spies, since there’s no evidence of that conversation, just you fevered wish to overthrow election results. Or, to be charitable (and why
    not since you are such a polite freeper), I’ll treat that as your prediction.

    Better hope you’re not 0 for 2, spies, or your credibility might drift with the pablos of the world.

    Oh, and Pablo, I noted your lackwit contribution….can you read or do you just not remember what you read? I mentioned in my first comment that Fitzgerald and folks should get to the bottom of this. I’m very curious, unlike say you were regarding Plame or Palin and troopergate, etc. But, you are the most republican hacks of all republican hacks, so I don’t expect you to be fair-minded.

    I often wondered with your lack of integrity, lack of accuracy and easy jumps into non-sense if “pablo” is the pseudonym of Dick Morris. But, I have rejected that since Morris is more ethical than you AND he’s been with a woman.

  272. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Yo, Pink Chablis:

    We’re all over here.

    Go there and explain why Obama lied to the press.

    Thanks.

  273. Pixy Misa says:

    Note from Pixy:

    The server blew up. :(

    Dan reported that the site was down, and I took a look, and the server was reporting 6 bad sectors on the drive. 6 bad sectors isn’t a disaster, but it could well be causing problems, so the first thing I did was start a full backup.

    At that point, the entire server melted.

    Currently we’re running on an old backup on a different server, which is why we’ve time-warped back to December. Once the techs at our hosting company have the server running again, I’ll be able to inspect the damage and hopefully bring the site back up to date.

    I’ll keep you posted on the recovery process.

  274. thor says:

    Servers don’t melt unless there’s a microwave oven involved.

    What Jeff needs is a dedicated low-cost server that has a couple of hot-swappable bays with a couple of these in ’em. Bullet proof the man with a simple RAID config, pixy. Would Obama allow his website to be partitioned on the same drive as midget and monkey webcams? No, he’s a pro.

    Our nation’s entire political process risks falling into the hands of Leftist Libtard Overlords if the flagship Outlaw server goes down. Resistance is futile if it’s hosted on shitty dated hardware.

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