South Carolina’s Mark Sanford is one of three GOP governors now being widely mentioned as potential saviors of the Republican Party between now and 2012. All are conspicuous for calling on their own party to live up to its principles. Most notably, none have advocated the GOP move to the left.
Mr. Sanford is a two-term governor known for vetoing spending bills, pushing market-oriented policy reforms (such as moving his state’s Medicaid system to a private account-based model) and criticizing the lapses of the national GOP. “Some on the left will say our electoral losses are a repudiation of our principles of lower taxes, smaller government and individual liberty,” he wrote on CNN.com after this month’s elections. “But Tuesday was not in fact a rejection of those principles — it was a rejection of Republicans’ failure to live up to those principles.”
In the same op-ed he took a swing at Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, identifying him as someone who “personifies what went wrong in the election. . . He was a proud champion of pork barrel spending and bridges to nowhere and stayed so long that he developed a blind eye to ethical lapses that would be readily seen by scout leaders and soccer moms alike.”
Two other leading lights for a troubled GOP are Govs. Sarah Palin of Alaska and Bobby Jindal of Louisiana. Before she became John McCain’s running mate, Mrs. Palin was best known for challenging her own state GOP to cure its spendthrift, corrupt ways. She unseated a sitting mayor in her first bid for office and became a giant killer by knocking off the high-handed, free-spending Gov. Frank Murkowski in a Republican primary.
Mr. Jindal is a boy wonder of the party. At 25, he was appointed to fix Louisiana’s failing Medicaid program, and succeeded. At 32, he lost a hard-fought campaign for governor but later landed a Congressional seat from which he criticized bureaucratic bungling in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Last year, after Katrina had destroyed Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco’s reputation, he won his second bid for the office by promising sweeping reform of Louisiana’s corrupt and inefficient government culture.
That Republicans are coalescing around these three governors is also revealing for who is not included. Several years ago Christie Todd Whitman, former governor of New Jersey and EPA administrator, wrote a book called “It’s My Party Too.” She used that treatise to argue for the party to abandon its conservative roots. Even after two serious GOP drubbings at the polls, she has found no takers. Likewise, Lincoln Chaffee, the former Rhode Island Senator once labeled a “Republican in Name Only,” was still complaining last week to the Washington Post that “right-wing talk show hosts and the Ann Coulters and that ilk” never understood that the GOP needs people like him.
Maybe that’s because Republicans have looked closely at the election results. The country hasn’t so much moved left as it has abandoned a GOP that abandoned its own principles. In Ohio, Barack Obama actually won about 40,000 fewer votes than John Kerry did four years ago. Mr. Obama took Ohio only because John McCain pulled 350,000 fewer votes than George W. Bush did in 2004. Republicans and Republican-leaning voters stayed home.
That’s not an endorsement of the ideas of the left. It’s a lack enthusiasm for a party that failed to deliver the smaller government it promised in Washington. At least the GOP, in settling on future leaders like Governors Jindal, Sanford and Palin, seems to understand that.
Indeed.
But care must be taken not to confuse conservative principles of governing with issues of morality often tied to conservatism — at least the way it has been branded by a left-leaning media and opportunistic Democrats.
Whitman and people like Kathleen Parker (and other country club Republicans whose allegiance seems to be tied more to appearances than to principles) seem always to trip over the idea that conservatism as a principle of governing and social conservatism as a way of living one’s life can — and as I’ve argued, should be, separated. Writes Parker:
[…] the GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents, including other people of faith (those who prefer a more private approach to worship), as well as secularists and conservative-leaning Democrats who otherwise might be tempted to cross the aisle.
Here’s the deal, ‘pubbies: Howard Dean was right.
It isn’t that culture doesn’t matter. It does. But preaching to the choir produces no converts. And shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party — and conservatism with it — eventually will die out unless religion is returned to the privacy of one’s heart where it belongs.
Parker makes a legitimate point here — particularly when one looks at the electoral landscape pragmatically. One of the major influences on elections is the role of the media, and the fearmongering by media types and Democrats (often one in the same) that conservatives will treat government like a centralized church — turning a democratic republic into a theocracy — resonates with large swathes of voters. (Many of the people I know who voted for Obama cited fear of the coming theocracy should Sarah Palin ever gain control of the White House; evidently, the fact that Alaska has not devolved into a version of the medieval Church proved less persuasive than the fear mongering of the media, Democrats, and elitist Republicans like Parker — who could have seized on that clear evidence that there is no cause and effect necessary between personal religious beliefs and governing philosophy, but instead decided it would be more fun to win points in the liberal salons with her withering denunciations of Governor Palin and the theocons).
And sadly, she still hasn’t learned from that mistake:
Religious conservatives become defensive at any suggestion that they’ve had something to do with the GOP’s erosion. And, though the recent Democratic sweep can be attributed in large part to a referendum on Bush and the failing economy, three long-term trends identified by Emory University’s Alan Abramowitz have been devastating to the Republican Party: increasing racial diversity, declining marriage rates and changes in religious beliefs.
Suffice it to say, the Republican Party is largely comprised of white, married Christians. Anyone watching the two conventions last summer can’t have missed the stark differences: One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.
With the exception of Miss Alaska, of course.
Even Sarah Palin has blamed Bush policies for the GOP loss. She’s not entirely wrong, but she’s also part of the problem.
This, on one level, is true: so long as the media is permitted to depict Palin — whose governing style was legally conservative, federalist, and libertarian in many ways — as some sort of ignorant theocon unable to separate her personal religious beliefs from her understanding of what is Constitutional, then sure, Palin will be “part of the problem”.
But what Parker seems to miss is that Palin is “part of the problem” largely because Parker gives cover to the Democrats and the liberal media to paint her — and those like her — as crazed religious fanatics, rather than as ordinary people of faith who happen to believe in the tenets of their religion.
Parker finds religion itself silly and distasteful, it seems to me — particularly when one has the gall to actually believe in it as something more than a resume point for a run at national office.
So rather than highlighting those instances where Sarah Palin’s belief in God — and her own personal sense of morality — was overridden, in terms of public policy, by fidelity to the law, and a truly conservative style of governing, Parker went instead for the easy target, scoring points with the “right” kinds of people by attacking something that proves increasingly easy to attack: faith.
The Denver Post’s libertarian columnist David Harsanyi and others outlined Gov Palin’s governing philosophy and found it far more palatable than, say, the governing policy of the “Maverick” John McCain. (Recall, Palin vetoed a Republican effort to deny same sex couples certain privileges on the grounds that she thought the measure likely unconstitutional.)
Yet, were you to ask the average voter about Palin, those not diehard conservatives or political junkies would know virtually nothing of her governing philosophy — but plenty about her speaking in tongues, or her burning books, or her stance on abortion, or her slaughtering of helpless wolves, or her pregnant daughter, or her career as a beauty pageant contestant.
And people like Parker, putative conservatives, are largely to blame for allowing that caricature to take shape and breathe.
I have frequently noted that I believe that social conservatives are a problem for the conservative coalition — but only inasmuch as they try to push a religious agenda on the country through mechanisms favored by progressives.
Otherwise, they can actually prove helpful, should conservatives or classical liberals / libertarians ever commit to selling ideals rather than looking to find voting blocs to which they might effectively pander. Because the way one goes about trying for change is an important selling point for classical liberalism; and the conservative coalition holds the high ground when it appeals to the Constitution, the rule of law, and a fidelity to the process set out by the founders.
And it’s time people like Parker begin to highlight such differences between progressives — who like to operate through court fiat — and classical liberals / legal conservatives / libertarians, who are committed to working within the system for “change” that is more than merely a buzzword.
(h/t BJTex)
And until and unless we and the people we supposedly support are prepared to look the assholes straight in the eye and say “That’s a lie and you’re a liar, you insufferably smug elitist bigot!” we will get nowhere. Because they are — and a soft answer may turn away wrath, but it just validates bigoted assumptions. “So the f* what?” needs to be used occasionally, as well.
At the same time we need to be reminding our more-religious fellows that sin is not Caesar’s — that if they propose regulations on individual behavior, they need to argue from impact upon society and have good arguments; “God commands it” isn’t even relevant, much less good enough, and if people want to sin, they will do so whether or not it’s against secular law.
“Hate speech”? Be proud of the accusations. A vigorous defense is always offensive to the attacker.
Regards,
Ric
um, she must have been watching different conventions. The Dems were mostly whiney sickly losers with no jobs or healthcare.
Troubling. We should all go on a cruise and participate in discussion groups led by impotent ponces. That will be how we turn things around I think.
I’d really like to review Parker’s “conservative” creds. What exactly are her “consevative” principals? And how does she plan to win elections without “white married Christians”?
Happy, NRO has done post-election cruises for years.
It would be interesting to know how many editorials Kitty Parker got published in the WaPo before she became mostly notable for being an insipid sorority cooze.
Jonah doesn’t like Kathleen’s piece, either:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTdjZTg0MzEyN2VjY2UwMDIwMDEyZTkxNjI2YjZkZjY=
NRO is a kiddie pool of tards I think. Mark Steyn way bad needs to ditch those losers.
Maybe you guys could play up the value of having our leaders protected against witchcraft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE
Carl Spackler: Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.
Maybe you guys could play up the value of having our leaders protected against witchcraft:
GOD DAMN AMERICA!!!!!
Not defending the wackos, obviously, but Parker et al. better be careful what they wish for. They may get it. It would be not terribly difficut for the Left to co-opt “social conservatives”. People forget that there is a sizable Christian Left movement in this country too, it just doesn’t get highlighted as much becuase the Elite(tm) like to portray believers as mouth-breathing Ned Flanders clones.
How’s “fiscal conservativism” going to hang on if and when the Christian Left convinces more and more SocialCons that the Lord really wants to spread the wealth around by the State.
Here is the big problem I see with NRO and GOP oldskoolers.
They just can’t do teh maths.
maths
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Well, I have a sympathetic ear for “FRED’s”. Fiscal republicans, egalitarian democrats.
I simply despise leftists and I don’t despise the faith-based folks. Put simply, I would rather have as my countrymen folks who loved the land and would defend it, rather than those who look for a chance to slander it at every turn.
And while I am probably more aligned with classical liberalism/legal conservatism or FRED’s on many issues, we have no party in the broken two party system. In a forced choice, the party that contains the treason of leftists gets my opposition.
The fringes have the con. The ship lists left then right in the stormy seas of fringe fu fighting.
Kathleen has a point, she just articulates it poorly…and her subject is intertwined with her object and strangles itself because of it.
She feels the point, but she doesn’t quite get it. Leftism is treason and fascism. Suppression, repression, oppression by manufactured victimization followed by strangulation by red tape.
“Rightism” on the fringes, is exclusionary, preachy, and inflexible.
Both fringes seek to limit choices, each by morality passion plays.
Fix the roads, protect against enemies, keep your hands out of my pockets and keep your prying eyes out of my bedroom.
Good for Jonah too I think, Mr. N’O Brain. He and Mr. Steyn should start their own deal. The Corner brand-wise has become cloying and ponnurified I think.
Jeff, are you seriously tryin’ to paint Palin as a classic liberal?
How’s “fiscal conservativism†going to hang on…
Techie — I’m not so sure Parker, et al, care about this. David Brooks, for instance, has said that minimal-government conservative principles are outdated concepts.
Fix the roads, protect against enemies, keep your hands out of my pockets and keep your prying eyes out of my bedroom.
Can I still pry on Pablo in his bedroom? Cause he says he’s cool with it.
“Jeff, are you seriously tryin’ to paint Palin as a classic liberal?”
Name one thing Palin in government has done that would not make her a classical liberal.
Parker: cattiness disguised as political analysis.
Snuffles sat alone in her room clad in the same sweat stained track suit she had worn for the past 2 weeks. Staring blankly at the TV as Olberman was reading enthusiastically about how great the Obama administration was, she absently fingered the large bottle of sleeping pills she had purchased earlier that day. She looked at herself in the large mirror situated above her television and was repulsed by what she saw more than ever. Mascara was running down a face streaked with tears, which in turn framed dull lifeless eyes. Her mouth was twisted downward from years of anger, so much so that a smile would look like a grimace. Hair that was filled with grime from a complete lack of personal hygeine glinted in the flashing light of her TV.
She stood up from the dilapidated couch and stared at herself. Her reflection looked back, mocking her.
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO” she screamed her rage from the depths of her heart in soul wrending agony, as she flung her ashtray at her own reflection. She put all her rage into that throw, hoping against hope that she would strike true. It was in that moment she knew, it wasn’t an evil Republican she hated, but herself.
Techie sez:
The thing of it is, I don’t see that the people who want the Christian Conservatives to get lost can by any stretch of the imagination be called fiscal conservatives. Most of them are more what I’d call Democrat Lite — “Everything you always wanted in a Democrat, but less.”
Name one thing Palin in government has done that would not make her a classical liberal
dre — don’t fall for it! It’s a TRICK!
Ayep. And with the same fatuation for the Ivy League.
dre  don’t fall for it! It’s a TRICK!
Run, dre, run! You’ve opened the box of a million mini-me, you fool!
The Voyage of the SS Sarah Palin Loveboat
Episode 1
LOWRY: Gotta love that Sarah Palin. She is so hawt. The electorate rrreally loves her, they just don’t know it yet. Excuse me while I go get a tissue.
K-LO: Yes, she should totally be Times man of the year, instead of that Obama guy. These moose sweetbreads in beluga glaze are delicious. What a thrifty shopper that Sarah is!
PONNURU: Should we really be on a luxury cruise while americans are loosing their homes and jobs? What do you think, Mark?
STEYN: Goats! Ayrab Goats! Kenyan Goats! Goatsgoatsgoats!!
GOLDBERG: It’s weird, on the cruise I defended Allan Colmes dozens of times. Lots of people don’t understand that he’s their (sic) to play a part, to annoy conservative viewers and make Sean look good. He’s great at it. I know that’s his schtick. And yet, everytime I go on that show, he pisses me off  and it shows. I wish I could just guffaw at him or roll my eyes the way lots of folks do. Can’t do it.
Damn. Too late.
“Lincoln Chaffee, the former Rhode Island Senator once labeled a “Republican in Name Only,†was still complaining last week to the Washington Post that “right-wing talk show hosts and the Ann Coulters and that ilk†never understood that the GOP needs people like him.”
The Republican Party has Lincoln Chaffee and I have nipples.
Don’t need either.
heh, nishi once again goes mining for gold in her nasal cavaties, digs too deep and triggers an “episode”. KEEP DIGGING, THERE’S GOLD IN THEM THAR NOSTRILS!!!!
explain to me again Jeff how slaveholding, discrimination, and miscegenation worked their way through the courts.
Indeed. In fact, it’s Kate spewing bigoted hate, as usual.
As regards the “witchcraft” smear, if she weren’t so slatheringly eager to murder people she disagrees with she’d have the edge of a real issue, one that’s being debated even as we speak among Pentecostals. For further information, consult Steve Graham and scroll down a few days — I’m not going to rehearse it here. She’s so viciously fixated on enjoying her hate that she can’t even reach the real (and somewhat damaging) issue.
Regards,
Ric
“NRO is a kiddie pool of tards I think. Mark Steyn way bad needs to ditch those losers.”
There’s a reason Steyn only agrees to write on the back page of that magazine…
didn’t you get banned?
Not bright is he? When horseshoe boy’s own constituents decided they didn’t need him you’d think he might have gotten a clue. It’s not us, it’s you. Also, nishi, pairing introspection with Ponnuru? Interesting choice.
pardon,
explain to me again Jeff how slaveholding, discrimination, and miscegenation worked their way through the SYSTEM.
lol.
“Comment by sylvie_oshima on 11/19 @ 12:48 pm #
explain to me again Jeff how slaveholding, discrimination, and miscegenation worked their way through the courts.”
Democrat favorites.
oh, I know that stuff looks kinda gooey and grey, but trust me. It’s valuable.
“explain to me again Jeff how slaveholding, discrimination, and miscegenation worked their way through the SYSTEM.”
Ask the Demorats
Kate waited in the long line impatiently as rain cascaded down on her. She bent down slightly to rub a knee inflamed by two days of standing. Her head and back ached ceaselessly in a throbbing pain no amount of asperin could cure. She looked forward, her face set in determination. She was the first in line, she thought to herself in triumph. Looking up in rapture at the neon signed gleaming down at her imprinted with movie titles and times, Kate grinned. Yes she thought again, I am the first.
The attendant waived her forward, her alone out of the hundreds behind her in line. She practically leaped forward, driven by an indomitable will fueled by countless Mountain Dews. She looked up at the attendant seated behind the glass screen, her moment finally arriving. This was her time, she thought, her moment, the pinnacle of her life’s ambition. Reaching into her pocket and pulling out the prerequisite 9.50 cents needed she shouted in the attendants face with a conviction that could not be denied.
“One for Star Trek please!”
well, i despise Ponnuru more than the rest of them, cuz he knows better.
Poor K-Lo, Lowry, and Goldberg, all have Mad Shaman Disease, or Palinitis as it is commonly know.
It starts with starbursts, progresses to magical thinking, and ends in clinical brain death.
“And it’s time people like Parker begin to highlight such differences between progressives  who like to operate through court fiat  and classical liberals / legal conservatives / libertarians, who are committed to working within the system for “change†that is more than merely a buzzword.”
I think the culture battle has to be fought in the legislature AND court. A related example is the NRA fighting the good fight for years in the legislature. But the Heller ruling in the Supreme Court meant a lot to all of us.
A large part of the culture war stemmed from women’s rights in the 20th century. Voting rights, property rights, no-fault divorce, all legally made them more free. We have to accept there was good and bad with this, and focus on saving marriage and family with that understanding.
I seldom hear discussion of father’s rights as an avenue for this change. Imagine the impact of decisions regarding divorce, or single motherhood if there were a legal presumption of joint custody? Imagine the plunge in divorce if large numbers of men demanded a joint custody prenup?
I’m not sure how this would sit with social conservatives generally, or women in particular. But it is a modest proposal in that it doesn’t seek change by expanding the scope of government, but only in how custody disputes are settled.
And so it begins.
how slaveholding, discrimination, and miscegenation worked their way through the SYSTEM.
Watch how eugenics works its way through.
Then even you might get a clue.
Public service announcement: Ignore nishi. Do not fall to the threadjack.
I’m curious to see if Jeff has MSD too.
BTW, don’t forget that today is National Ammunition Day. If all 75 million gun owners buy 100 rounds today, the resulting sale of 75 billion rounds will make for an interesting statement. I off to buy mine now. (C’mon McGeehee, you can make room for a few more boxes).
Whoops, I mean 7.5 billion.
That’s great NRO Cruise dialogue nishi…
…except people PAY to go on the cruise. Ya know, CUT A FUCKING CHECK TO A TRAVEL AGENT AND SHIT!
Explain Obama’s $6million dollar taxpayer funded inauguration when “people are out of work, loosing their homes” or whatever stupid liberal petard your on about today.
Combine that with super-half-black-commie-promise-jesus’s $4million dollar Greek Temple on Mt. Denver, and that $10million could keep a lot of families in jobs and homes.
Spread the wealth there mealy mouth.
nishi’s critique has a lot more integrity than Parker’s I think
Actually, now that I think about it, Parker should be fired for writing that hackjob of an article. Substitue any other group (Jews,Muslims,Blacks,etc) for “Christian consevatives” and all but call them knuckle-dragging “gorillas in the pulpit” and you’d be packing your desk the moment the copy landed on the editor’s desk.
Careful, hf. Your creds are chafing.
“Public service announcement: Ignore nishi. Do not fall to the threadjack.”
Sorry, all teh stupid was giving me a migraine.
Ignored.
palin can see russia so it proves shes a cudlip christard
i know this bcuz its true
I find it ironic that Mark Sanford is highlighted as an example of someone who’s not a “RINO.” He really isn’t a Republican, he’s an ideological Libertarian who happens to be a member of the GOP. If Republicans want to follow his lead, go ahead, but first take a look at the state he’s governed and imagine it writ large across the country: taxes so low that there’s no money for basic public services, and a tax burden disproportionately borne by the lower half of the income bracket.
If you think that sounds great, then by all means follow Sanford’s lead. As for me, in 2010 I hope to vote for a new governor who will allow our state’s infrastructure, public safety, and education to be properly funded, and who won’t be resistant to compromise and new ideas simply because they offend his ideological purity.
I supported Sanford both times he ran. No more.
“Comment by sylvie_oshima on 11/19 @ 12:57 pm #
I’m curious to see if Jeff has MSD too.”
I’m curious to see if you have a fuckin’ brain, bandwidth thief.
“and a tax burden disproportionately borne by the lower half of the income bracket.”
That is simply not possible, and noone that I have seen has ever advocated for such. You should find whoever told you that and smack him/her in the face.
Techie is right. It’s insane to marginalize the views of people of faith while countenancing those of brainwashed flaky carbon dioxide fetishists I think. Everything Kathleen Parker writes is autobiography.
Those two paragraphs belie your knowledge about her actual record.
She raised taxes on oil companies and gave the money to the citizens, who did nothing to produce the oil except live in Alaska. At that rate, I think the rest of us in the Lower 48 would love to be “re-imbursed†for the grazing, timber extraction, and mining which is licensed on Federal land. Getting money for nothing is Socialism and nothing Governor Palin ever did speaks to her opposing that.
In addition, “libertarian†and “Federalist†Sarah Palin also inherited a city with 1.2 million dollars in debt and left it with a debt of $23 million (or are deficits now considered conservative?), so she could finance the construction of a sports park. Apparently, the private sector wasn’t interested (more libertarian leanings!), so she built it at taxpayers’ expense on land not even clearly owned by the City of Wasilla, thus causing litigation which is still pending. Nice respect for property rights, Mayor/Governor.
Lastly, she called on God to bless her pipeline deal, said whether she ran in 2012 depended on Him “opening a door,†and supports the teaching Creationism in public schools (but does not “believe†her fervently held belief should “part of the curriculum.â€Â).
So, this “conservative/libertarian†lady’s governing philosophy features raising taxes on corporations, ignoring property rights, running up public debt, and using a bully pulpit to insert God as a proxy for her desires and beliefs. Add in using government property, time, and employees to harass and fulfill her family’s vendettas and you got a fascinating picture of the opposite of conservative and libertarian. She’s all about using government power to delve into the private sector and aggrandize Sarah Palin.
Personally, the longer people keep this up, the more we ignore actual conservatives like Bobby Jindal, Tim Pawlenty, or Mitch Daniels.
“but first take a look at the state he’s governed and imagine it writ large across the country: taxes so low that there’s no money for basic public services, and a tax burden disproportionately borne by the lower half of the income bracket.”
Sounds good to me.
And what’s your definition of “disproportionately”, that they actually have to pay taxes?
Is it a good sign when you have to change your handle every couple hundred comments in order to trick us innocents into reading another line or two of subjective garbage? I’m not so certain a healthy ego is hiding behind that curtain.
“I’m curious to see if Jeff has MSD too.”
That stuff is just in bad chinese food, right?
kk, I’ll answer my own question.
Dread Scott, Brown vs Board, Loving vs. Virginia.
i have always paid for my bandwidth, right Jeff?
Hey Ted I think you missed the one about her family incest. You might want to put it there in paragraph 3. Just trying to help man.
And before someone calls me on it: NO, I don’t think Parker SHOULD be fired for writing the piece, but that if were on any other group, she WOULD have been fired.
Seriously, try submitting a piece on how Rev. Wright is the “Gorilla in the pulpit” for the Democratic Party drawing them too far left and record the reaction of the copy editor, it’d be priceless.
“Comment by sylvie_oshima on 11/19 @ 1:17 pm #
i have always paid for my bandwidth, right Jeff?”
No, kate, Jeff banned you, yet you keep showing up, like dog shit on a city sidewalk.
That’s theft in my book.
“She raised taxes on oil companies and gave the money to the citizens, who did nothing to produce the oil except live in Alaska.”
If you had an oil well on your property you wouldn’t charge for royalties?
“In addition, “libertarian†and “Federalist†Sarah Palin also inherited a city with 1.2 million dollars in debt and left it with a debt of $23 million (or are deficits now considered conservative?), so she could finance the construction of a sports park.”
You don’t support the decision of the citizens in a referendum?
“Seriously, try submitting a piece on how Rev. Wright is the “Gorilla in the pulpit†for the Democratic Party drawing them too far left and record the reaction of the copy editor, it’d be priceless.”
Said editor would go ape-shit.
oh. Diana. You have a point but I suspect nishi is more right than wrong that Palin is toast. We’ll see, but she doesn’t look like a good investment to me. Not Palin’s fault at all, but she really has been tabloidified beyond repair I think. There are very real consequences to having a MSM what’s been co-opted by dirty socialist America-haters. Palin’s quick burn is one of them I think.
Wow, I had no idea Bond Referendums voided one’s conservative creds.
(BTW, since we’re going there, your man Jindal (whom I also like in the future of the Party) may or may not have participated in an exorcism. [not that there’s anything wrong with that], but don’t give me this “She’s an icky Christian” BS of an excuse)
See, that just proves the whole Media Malpractice point, if you consider yourself informed and still believe that shit.
I think Palin’s ultimate political fate will largely be determined by her own deeds and choices. Success will out, so to speak.
I would like to think so Sdferr, but my faith is not what it was.
I will trust a guy named “Ted Clark.”
That name just sounds smart.
He’s no moby.
Tim Pawlenty rules!
Look how he cut and pasted that real careful like.
Ted will you babysit my kids?
None of them have Downs, have shot a moose, or have a manufactured $23million deficit.
But…Oh… shit Ted. You forgot about Palin’s tanning bed.
Get on the ball man!
Go Pawlenty/ Daniels 2012!
Vomit.
Never happened.
Maybe I just don’t want to cede so much power to the BM(Baracky’s Media) that I can think they can finally destroy whomever they choose at will. And therefore I am thus deluded by my own wishes, etc. hf. I don’t know what the deal is, but there it stands.
So she’s not even allowed to have any religious beliefs?
That’s good stuff, nishi.
Palin is toast. They have destroyed her with lies, inuendo, and character assasination. When people hear “She thought Africa was a country” and believe it right away, it is pretty much game over. I think we can see the advocates of this strategy in this quote.
“I am prepared to do whatever is necessary to destroy the Republican Party as it exists today as well as everything it stands for.
If health insurance for all, an end to the Iraq War, an end to torture and illegal wiretapping, and a sane energy policy can be obtained at the price of destroying one teenage girl, her family, and the surrendering our self-respect I see that as a cheap trade.
Go talk about nobility of purpose to those 4,000+ dead American soldiers in Iraq.”
“This is about Power . . . How it is obtained–and how it is wielded in ways that affects all of us.
Are you telling me that you would not use character-destroying lies to ensure a war against Iran does not occur?”
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/08/politics-as-blood-sport.html#more
gtg, but here’s your daily, feets.
uh huh
We’ll see Sdferr, but now that they know what they can do, there’s no reason to think Baracky’s media will ever go back to anything resembling for real journalism. And there are going to be some very real consequences. Bad ones.
That’s good stuff, nishi.
tyvm thor.
I learned from the Master. (hehe, i mean Jeff)
kate, you don’t have to answer the voices in your head, and that echo you hear isn’t a group of like minded individuals.
thanks nishi – New Girl like them from yesterday I forgot to tell you.
*liked* them I mean …
“That’s good stuff, nishi.”
Yeah, inventive stuff there dumb dumb. You would be impressed.
Don’t you have tens of hundreds of dollars to make trading currency contracts somewhere hotshot? Ya know, Bahts, Rubbles, Rials, Pakastani cattle…Quatloos and shit?
Fuckin’ raking it in, increasing your Daddy’s nut by 0.02% or something?
Jackass.
Who is Kathleen Parker, where did she come from and why do people incessantly quote her? Based on what I can see she’s an effusion of shallow, snarky and stale liberal platitudes and fearmongering misapprehensions about the right, i.e., “theocons.” Who exacly are these theocons and when and where have they ever imposed their theocracy? She doesn’t say. Because they don’t exist. They are the reflex projection of the secular despots, the true fanatics far more determined to impose their state “religion” on people and whose record is a legend of social and economic failure. But Parker is either not smart enough or too busy seving as their new courtesan to notice.
I learned from the Master. (hehe, i mean Jeff)
Was that intended as a compliment?
I used putative yesterday.
One can be a social conservative and argue that government should stay out of religion. Legislating public behavior (something government has always done) does not have to be tied to any religion or any religious belief.
I have no problem with keeping government out of peoples’ bedrooms; I have no problem with government making people take their bedroom behavior out of the public square.
“Comment by thor on 11/19 @ 1:48 pm #
I used putative yesterday.”
I bet it didn’t cure the rash.
*Channeling ‘Snake Plissken’*
Kathleen Parker? Damn, I thought she was dead. I’m sure I wasted her in Kansas City.”
“I used putative yesterday.”
What, you want a cookie for “using” it?
Your dumb ass is probably confusing “putative” with something like thorazine, or toilet paper.
Lemme guess, one of the smarter people in your firm referred to you as the “putative idiot” during a meeting yesterday?
“*Channeling ‘Snake Plissken’*
Kathleen Parker? Damn, I thought she was dead. I’m sure I wasted her in Kansas City.”
Kathleen Parker was the tranny whore in that awful, “mailed in,” Escape from LA sequel.
RINO’s like Parker should be forced to wear armbands in public.
Interesting fun facts on another dagger aimed at the heart of our MSM friends.
Since the Left considers politics to be warfare. An anything to win situation. Is it just possible that they engage in other tactics and strategies that are usually associated with war.
I would bet that some of the RINO’s are more than just “In Name Only” but are more along the line of moles, or double agents working for the left. Also some of the type that speak out for actions that they know will harm the organization they seem to belong too.
Chafee’s genuinely too stupid to be a mole I think.
Every time I see the words “Chuck Hagel” written I have to stop and remind myself that Chuck is the guy’s name and not a verb.
Whitman is classic East Coast Republican. Like Arlen Spector. They’re Republicans by heredity. Look back at Whitman, she barely beat Florio and McGreevy. She faked out the state pension fund and sold billions in bonds the state couldn’t afford, then vetoed a partial birth abortion bill. Look, who’s Governor of NJ now? A Republican? You would think that after the Democrat governor of a state that borders New York City is found out to be so corrupt that he has put his freaking boyfriend in charge of Homeland security two years after 9-11 it should have been a Republican, right? But it’s not. And you would think that Big Business, the major financial firms, would naturally lean towards the more business-friendly party, right? Wrong. Why?
…and I just spent an hour typing a super-long rant, but instead of wasting Jeff’s bandwidth, I’ve decided to waste Google’s.
Sounds like it’s time for the Republicans to instigate loyal oaths and other “classical liberal” methods of separating the true believers from those deviating from the true path in thought and deed.
Whitman is a carbon dioxide-obsessed skank I think. Never was much of a thinker that one.
“Like Arlen Spector. They’re Republicans by heredity.”
@
snuffles is that one what wished Major John would die in Iraq to where his kids didn’t have a father anymore. I think he’s creepy.
oh, we’ll probably just run Ned Lamont against them instead.
Lincoln Chaffe is a bad golf shot.
“Duck hook!? Motherfucker! That ball was supposed to go right!”
“Sounds like it’s time for the Republicans to instigate loyal oaths and other “classical liberal†methods of separating the true believers from those deviating from the true path in thought and deed.”
Sounds like it’s time for you to go to bed.
Comment by snuffles on 11/19 @ 2:53 pm #
Yea go ask Joe Lieberman.
I can believe Lincoln would suck at golf but Christie Whitman has a very LPGA look about her I think.
“Classic liberal” is a metaphoric open-ended slogan, nothing more.
I have no idea why you people enjoy fooling yourselves. You’re simpletons, maybe.
It’s the Beethoven what got stuck in our heads most likely. If only we coulda been dished up a bit more of that Anton Weber guy a little earlier we’d a had the modern down. Clang. Clank. Hey, that Weber’s maybe going to catch on, one of these days. I’d bet Baracky digs his grooves. Minimally, even.
Simpletons?
Now thor, you be nice. You and snuffles finish your cupcakes and put your paper plates in the trash.
Wash your hands, then you two can go watch Elmo in Grouchland or play Bob the Builder or whatever.
oh. No, thor. For real there’s people what still have individual dignity and stuff apart from their group identity and aren’t riddled with entitlement issues. Mostly they a lot just want to be left alone so they’re easy to miss I think. Freedom used to be an ideal in this country my dad said.
#Comment by thor on 11/19 @ 3:03 pm #
How’s the rash, thor?
“Progressive” “Classic liberal†is a metaphoric open-ended slogan, nothing more
Hey, you’re a funny guy.
Know what you get when you cross a insomniac and a atheist? Someone who lies awake questioning their dog.
Duuuh, teh funny!
I bet you crack yourself up, Lamonyyourewfdjsklaf, endlessly evidently.
dykes on spikes… ewww.
CTW Chafee and the other Rinos did what they do best. They took the path to office that had less competition (R) and still operate from the “path of least resistance” with no core values and votes for sale.
Shit, to continue.. No more letting weak dem candidate wannabes cross dress just to notch another caucus vote.
Thanks for the tip, Jeff. I knew you would nail this thing.
No one has yet pointed out that Parker, while excoriating white Christians as “gorillas of the pulpit” and blaming them for the erosion of support of the Republican Party, doesn’t have one proactive thing to say about what the party should do or what it should stand for! Go ahead, read through it again and read Whitman’s previous WaPo piece. Neither of them have anything significantly positive to say about principles or policy or even strategy other than social conservatives are killing the party! (Parker sideswipes “fiscal conservatism, but that’s about it!)
I’m not naive enough to argue a complete absence of causality but to frame Social Cons as some kind of Ebola killer political virus to the Party’s chances to win elections is obtuse to the nth. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that nothing is being offered as a positive framework for winning back a majority. Both Parker and Whitman are barely giving lip service to the core principles of conservatism/classical liberalism. Like everybody else in the party social cons want a voice and, unlike a lot of others, have been willing to do the grunt work to elect Republicans. My gosh, Parker actually used the term “intelligentsia” when framing her vacuous arguments.
I thought of Chuck just then, with an up before it.
At least Brooks and Buckley were honest about their desire to(or recognition of) the tossing away of fiscal sanity and limited government without so much as a how do you do to individual liberty.
Also not mentioned is the fact that the Democrats seem to be able to do quite well in the unity department despite the accusations of sexism heard against the Obama campaign and the presence of the 15-20% far left, inside job, indict them for war crimes loonballs. I don’t see “moderate intelligentsia” Democrats lamenting the influence of Kos or Hampsher or Cindy freakin’ Sheehan as a “drag on their party’s ability to appeal to moderates. Are Parker and Whitman trying to say that Social Cons are more dangerous to Republicans than the loony left to Democrats? Take a minute and consider that line of logic!
It’s pure, unadulterated, high octane bull crap. The Democrats seem to be able to run a three ring circus while those of Parker’s ilk would prefer a pup tent as an appendage to the Dem’s big tent.
Thank you, no!
Ooops, you have to cross a dyslexic, a insomniac and a atheist for that punchline.
Teh funny!
“No Room for RINOs†would make a great TV show, I bet.
Yea go ask Joe Lieberman.
You think Joe’s slap on the wrist was too harsh a punishment for openly campaigning for the other side, Dre?
If so, I’d say the Republicans will be even more disorganized in 2010 as they were this time around, if that’s possible.
Wonder who’ll play the Mark Foley/Ted Stevens role for you guys next time?
test“Wonder who’ll play the Tim Mahoney
Mark Foley/Ted StevensChris Dodd role for you guys next time?”oh. That’s snuffles again. He wanted Major John to die for some sick reason he won’t say. That’s a sociopath thing. I saw a documentary on a person like that once on cable.
back when I had cable
snuffles/alphie/monkeyboy/neville chamberlain
Way, way useless.
I forgave John for his lie, happy.
You should probably drop it and save him further embarrassment.
Is Ted Stevens the poster boy of a today’s Republican “classic liberal?” He grabbed as much welfare as he could and then claimed he was a victimized individual. He’s old enough. He’s corrupt enough. He’s clueless enough. HE believed in his own bullshit even when reality said different.
I nominate Ted Stevens as Republican classic liberal of the year.
creepy how it’s always someone else who’s in the wrong with these ones. That’s called displacement I think if I remember the show I saw right. I should have saved it but the part about what they do to small animals was kind of upsetting.
thor:
Try reading for comprehension, thor.
alphie, you are the liar and aren’t fit to clean Major John’s boots. Please, kindly, fuck off.
“Ooops, you have to cross a dyslexic, a insomniac and a atheist for that punchline.”
Yeah…it’s still not funny.
BTW hotshot, was that your way of tapping out? Screaming “uncle?”
Fail.
Hat’s off to you though. You’ve become a consumate douchebag. A worldclass fake. A weapons grade wanna be. I bet you’ve been one all your life. A “my Dad can beat up your Dad” kinda kid.
But still…You get pimp slapped on every thread around here and you keep coming back.
That’s something I guess. Dunno what.
Hey, good on you thor. Don’t ever let anyone tell you you’re a half-assed fuck up.
It’s obvious around here…
…you always use your whole ass.
“I saw a documentary on a person like that once on cable.”
I bet it was on “American Justice.”
Love that show.
I like how that Bill Kurtis guy says ‘Muuur-Der.”
Kewl.
It’s on A&E…which letters are supposed to mean Art & Entertainment, but somehow stand for “Junkies, Murder & Gay Folk.”
Which is fine with me.
Just wish they’d say that is all.
dre
Everyone in Philadelphia begins life as a Democrat. Even Frank Rizzo was a Democrat. The only reason to become Republican is to get better odds at winning a primary so you can out-Democrat the Democrat in the general.
Hell, the year I was born I voted Democrat…twice.
“But still…You get pimp slapped on every thread around here and you keep coming back.”
Classsic example of ‘stupid’.
Lamont, you know trolls are prog wanna-bees. They want to establish their bona-fides to show their massas, so they go for the deviant stuff. Bitch-slapping, golden showers. They’re all good! Keep em coming, thank you sir can I have another….Just trying to get some Fulsom Street Cred, so they have something to show off when they go back to collect the scraps from the plates of the massas at the Kos-ant farm.
But if they don’t get slapped or pissed on directly, it frustrates em to no end. Just ignore them and they get the hops like a five year old in front of a camcorder. I like to see how high they jump. Let them perform for us for a while.
thor,
Ted Stevens has been dealt with here. You’ll find no one to defend him. You really are a shitstain on the underwear of life.
Oh, and go ahead and cuss me out in russian. Sissy
I have no idea why you people enjoy fooling yourselves. You’re simpletons, maybe.
Yet, you’re always here …
oh yea, FOAD.
thor is the “Becky” to my “Fillmore Slim.”
He’s always been a good bottom bitch.
$100 internet bucks to the first one who gets that reference.
Shut up thor. Don’t give it away.
You just go shake your ass and make my money roll.
Bitch.
Great news: Dow crumbles again, closes below 8,000
I wasn’t so much thinking of the top guys, they get their heads turned by the party scene in DC. What I was thinking of is staff. Anything bad, looks bad or now can even be made up out of thin air, on the Republican side, it leaks to the press. Democrats not so much.
In the Government too. I bet there won’t be many leaks from State or CIA when Obama is in office.
Of course after this election season they now don’t need a leak, the press can just make it up and anonymous source it.
The problem is sometimes it’s pretty hard to remove your faith from your argument.
Me and the atheist next door are discussing whether perjury should be illegal. We both agree it should be. I say as a Christian; God created us, and has shown us the basic principles for a happy individual and a healthy society. False testimony is one of the big ten commandments, and since that is where I get my personal morality from, I’m against it. The atheist makes his case from whatever moral compass he uses. Why is my argument less valid for having reached it from a Christian morality?
Some here think drugs should be decriminalized. My morality tells me otherwise. Should I say to myself “humm, I oppose that because of my Christian beliefs, so I have no right to influence those decisions”?
Make a good argument you say? OK, meth, coke, ecstasy, heroin, et al are destructive, soul corroding, whips of the devil. They can rob you of your humanity, making you more animal than man. They would damage the fabric of society worse than they already are, if given acceptance. It would further distance our culture from the spiritual truths that make a society moral, and therefor strong.
So, should I remove myself from the debate because it is a moral one?
Nah, I’ll just remove myself from the GOP if that becomes their platform. They won’t be representing me, so I won’t vote for them. That’s how it works.
By the way, I’m using some literary license to make a point. Don’t get bogged down in the details of my inadequate examples.
I don’t know this Thor guy, except for what he has written here, but from what I see he is just rude. I think in person we would just shun him. At least the Nishi person says interesting things to keep the conversation going. What was the topic again?
As far as Parker, Buckley Jr, and Noonan go, Steyn hammered it out.
Parker is apparently some kind of MILF.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDhkZTAwZjRjZWQ1NzkxNTc5YjI4N2YxMmQyODRkNzY=
Removing your faith from your argument isn’t the same thing as removing your faith from yourself though, lee bh. Is it? Surely you can make reasonable secular/political arguments on such matters as perjury and drug laws without having to resort to the decalogue or posits such as “spiritual truths”? Can you not?
As I said on the post-2006 NR cruise…
gack. I am so over these people.
The log cabin outlaw wing of the Republican party don’t usually act so effeminate. Is your last name Foley?
“She raised taxes on oil companies and gave the money to the citizens, who did nothing to produce the oil except live in Alaska. At that rate, I think the rest of us in the Lower 48 would love to be “re-imbursed†for the grazing, timber extraction, and mining which is licensed on Federal land.”
Ah well, maroon it’s called Severance Tax and every State in the Union has them.
What good are tax-funded publc schools if all they can accomplish is to make people eternally stuck stupid?
Kathleen Parker misses the point; the vibrant, exciting youth-group will for the reminder of their pathethic lives suffer dearly for the stuck on stupid. GOD has nothing to do any of misery about to overwhelm the spoiled children.
You may consider drug use a sin, but as a crime it’s victimless. Banning drugs is an attempt at making a society free from temptation, which is folly. Doing a warantless search and throwing a guy in jail seems to fall under the “cast the first stone” parable.
Like most government action, the drug war made matters worse rather than better. As enforcement increases, drug prices go up, dealers have more profit margin, the stakes raise. Addicts don’t respond to price increases by using less-they’re ADDICTS. They just steal/rob/pimp stepchildren MORE.
Purjury is fraud, and has real consequences including sending someone to jail needlessly. Or releasing the violent needlessly.
Sin is not crime.
Sin or crime whichever I think it would be nice if we made drugs more trippy and funner and more lethal just to help move the process along quicker.
“The log cabin outlaw wing of the Republican party don’t usually act so effeminate. Is your last name Foley?”
A super tolerant Democrat/Obama Loving/Jim Joneser is calling me a fag?
Yawn.
Your mask is slipping.
Jackass.
Kathleen Parker is a classic rugged individualist. I think that’s bothers the foggy Republican classic liberals, and she certainly bothers the aging God barking Republicans.
I like her. I like Hagel.
THe “evolution in action” arguement!
The drug war also slowed importation of pot, because coke is easier to smuggle and more profitable. And if you’re risking life in prison, why hold back?
Dont get me started, this is sooooo off topic.
Kathleen Parker doesn’t merit just too too many sentences what begin Kathleen Parker… I don’t think.
I wasn’t thinking natural selection so much I just think it might make for faster commutes here in the city of angels.
Coffee’s always been my drug of choice. I’ve shaken off most other vices.
A multi-quart Camelback/Thermos crossover?
Parker and Brooks…Are dead to me!…
Seriously, I didn’t even read this article when I saw it in the WaPo…
I only saw an excerpt in Jonah’s rebuff of her at NRO…
Best Wishes…
A lot of the angels are very druggy angels you can’t help but notice. A lot of them take public transportation. But still.
That’s not my point. I’m being told social cons are the problem with the Republican party. If the stupid christianists would just forget about gay marriage, abortion, prostitution, and drugs, it would be easier to steal votes from the dems. My point is, if you go down that path, you are going to lose your base, regardless if their only reason is a spiritual one.
Reagan was a Democrat, and said he didn’t leave the party, the party left him. What is being debated is whether the Republican party is going to leave me.
Dan Are,
Makes sense, but where are you on mandatory sentencing?
Addicts who aren’t dealing? Get them in rehab, with a sharp stick if they blow off the program. Not prison off the bat. That’s dumb and pisses away good tax dollars. Dealers (especially meth)? Loooong stretches. DEA does waaaaay too many trade ups for nothing.
Weed should probably be legal.
Hell, it should be. Stupid that it ain’t.
Those taxes alone would let thor and Obama create all kinds of worthless Government agencies.
Weed should be legal. I think that’s sort of a duh. Baracky likes weed, so we’ll see.
I bet Rahm likes to smoke too. He has a pothead kind of vibe I think.
Who is doing the telling you speak of lee bh? Certainly not Ric Locke, off who’s post you jumped. Nor am I.
“That is not my point” you say. And yet, it is what you proceeded to do. My point is that you can still think through to your conclusions about what you believe is right and proper in the public sphere using all the religious belief you can muster, but when you come to argue in the public sphere about the public sphere, merely shift and couch your arguments in secular/political terms. It seems to me you’ll find more agreement in that direction and still have your faith beliefs to guide you.
Comment by sylvie_oshima on 11/19 @ 1:09 pm #
palin can see russia so it proves shes a cudlip christard
i know this bcuz its true
Except its not. Palin never said that, Tina Fey impersonating Palin said that. It is corrupted data, Nishfong. What happens when one bases their conclusions on corrupt data?
Weed should be legal. I think that’s sort of a duh. Baracky likes weed, so we’ll see.
Doubting it, Clinton liked coke, but he never legalized it.
Dammit.
Legalize pot and the American farm industry would come up with a dirt cheap product that’d make Tai stick seem like ditchweed.
NONE of it is good for you. I’m saying this simply isn’t a problem law enforcement is the correct tool to solve. Education, medicine, churches, yes. All the solutions we use for alcoholism now. But the prohibition wasn’t ended because alcohol didn’t have problems. The prohibition was ended because it caused gangsters to run the streets with machine guns, washing them with blood. Sound familiar?
I’ve worked with drug dealers. Those I’ve asked admit legalization would halt the violence immediately. But they have to provide their own security, obviously the police won’t. Thats why most murders are in less than 4% of counties, and why victims of murder usually know the guy that did it. Dealers all know each other.
See, you DID get me started.
Sou
I don’t know where else we can look to for economic growth then. It can’t all be windmills can it?
Mostly I think of looking for economic growth by looking for people and government to get out of the way hf. Stop clogging up the works with asinine do good shit and let people be free.
HELL yes, Sdferr!!
Mostly I think of looking for economic growth by looking for people and government to get out of the way hf. Stop clogging up the works with asinine do good shit and let people be free.
ANARCHY!
FREE INDUSTRY NOW!
oh. We’re back where we started today.
Yes, Palin basically did say that. Sarah is Ted Stevens with tits. Part of the Republican S. C. L. club in Alaska.
Stupid.
Corrupt.
Liar.
You have to willingly turn a blind eye to come to any other conclusion about Sarah Palin. I’d like to see Obama disembowel her in a national election. Obama as Reagan, Palin as Modale – that’d be the electoral numbers. She’s a monumental landslide loser.
NO PROFITS NO PEACE!
Dear Kathleen,
Ever since Obama won, my government cheese won’t melt between the bread!
You’ve lived a pathetic charm school, pinky extended life around Washington…help me!
My kids need grilled cheese! Do they serve those at those wicked Georgetown cocktail parties you go to?
I’d wear my good prom dress and only sneak a few grilled cheese.
I know…it’s not my government cheese that’s the problem. It’s because the bread is white…and conservative. Plus the Sarah Palin T-shirt I’m wearing.
But…the damn cheese won’t melt!
I’m sorry! It’s just that the “Obama Economic Plan” doesn’t offer wheatbread!
I made $250,000 last year and now I’m fucking broke! Obama took damn near all of it. I had to lay off 70 employees. What do I do now!?
Please Kathleen, can your old, angry, botoxed, Maureen Dowdy ass beseach the merciful ONE on my behalf?
My kids are fucking hungry!
Grilled cheese!!!
*sob*
Bet that cheese melts for Chris Dodd and Barney Frank goddamnit.
Go deface a Porta John, thor, I don’t have time for your bullshit.
oh. That link was just sposed to go to the thread not that particular comment.
I LOVE MY JOB BUT FEAR MY GOVERNMENT!
She didn’t just say it, she said it more than once. She’s a “whack job.” Jiggle, jiggle, winky-winky doesn’t cut it in the big city.
Syn and Robby Crawford are as misinformed as the author of this post:
For you, Syn
For Robby Note, person who loves Palin, I am not saying she committed a crime or was not allowed to fire Walt. I am saying she used her time, her husband used his capacity as “First Mister” to phone Monegan 30 times, according to Monegan, and multiple State employees contacted hims regarding the Governor’s “problem” Monegan.
From the Washington Post’s report on Palin.
It’s funny to see Palin fans as poorly educated as Obama supporters. I summarized the negative aspects of her career. Just because she’s a tax raising, God-botherer doesn’t give you the right to ignore what she did. I assume this will come up in 2011 during the primaries.
Whatever Governor Palin is she’s not a dirty socialist though. That will become increasingly definitional as Baracky turns our little country into a dirty socialist backwater I think.
You know what is funny as hell, thor, when you write: REPUKLICAN DRININ STRAW and draw an arrow to the vent. That shit cracks me up.
Well, you half way answered your own question. If the clothes don’t fit, you don’t have to wear them.
I am merely making an argument as a social con to the general question of whether social conservatives are a hindrance to the GOP. I think you, Sdferr , are having trouble seeing the tree because of the forest.
The average Soc Con doesn’t shout in the public square, they vote for whom they think best represents them. The candidate doesn’t pick the voter.
If Candidate A is pro American interests, and respects citizen rights from conception, and Candidate B is pro American interests, and respects citizen rights from birth if the mother accepts it, the soc con will vote for A. If both are the same on these types of issues, the soc con will stay home on election day, and social conservatism in general will be out the windo; opening a whole new NISHI WORLD!
I wouldn’t like it there, isss all I’m saying.
“Comment by Ted Clark on 11/19 @ 6:14 pm #”
Teddy The Wash. Post told me not to believe what is written The Wash. Post.
Ted Clark is a passive aggressive dirty socialist person I think. Dirty socialists are a lot passive aggressive cause they are very group thinky so when they try to pretend to express an individual opinion they get that brittleness like what Ted has. Our thor is different. I appreciate that.
anybody see a “w” laying around…?
Is this the bill you are talking about, Ted?
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/113026
Here’s the summary Senate Judiciary chair Hollis French, D-Anchorage, put out, describing the changes his committee made in the oil tax bill.
Even though Sen. French was originally inclined to pursue a gross tax, instead of taxing net production profits, his committee kept the basic approach of Gov. Palin’s ACES bill but enhanced it quite a bit — a major change from the stripped-down version that came out of Senate Resources. The Judiciary version raises about $1 billion a year of new money; the Governor’s bill about $600 million a year…
Because it seems to me that the legislature pushed for the big increase, should Palin have unilaterally vetoed it?
Republicans have become a cancer of ignorance. I hope the patient survives.
#167 B Moe, that is someone impersonating me.
I don’t think it matters what Palin actually said anymore….she didn’t get out there to correct it and it has passed into cultural history.
So you do agree that corrupted data is okay when making political decisions?
Republicans are dead thor is what I think. Or irrelevant might be better. There are only not-dirty-socialists what stand where the Republicans used to stand I think. You might have to give it some time for it to come into resolution, but the depredations of the dirty socialists will be very unitey I think.
Ted Clark everybody!
I’m soooo much smarter now.
Ted’s right goddamnit!
Screw Palin.
Screw her smart, evil, dirty, hot, sexy Republican ass.
Screw it!
That Ted is smart.
Sharp like a table top.
Genius!
I’m telling you, he’s like a penis!
Only smaller.
Somebody get Ted a beer.
B Moe,
Does the far right have to sell itself on the idea that Sarah Palin is a “real conservative?”
Because the rest of us don’t really care.
unitey and clarifying
jeez. This one’s back. This snuffles what wished Major John would die screaming in Iraq while working to bring freedom to the Iraqi people. He’s been banned from a lot of sites because people are basically at a loss as to how to handle this sort of sociopathic personality.
#167 B Moe, that is someone impersonating me.
I don’t think it matters what Palin actually said anymore….she didn’t get out there to correct it and it has passed into cultural history.
Does it matter that you were wrong? And, why should “she” correct what she didn’t get wrong. You got it wrong. A whole bunch of others got it wrong. She didn’t.
I am trying to imagine how pitiful a life one must lead if your only validation was making an ass of yourself daily in front of people who hold you in utter contempt.
Because of the truthiness, Carin. It was basically true. Sorta. If you squint your brain down real tight.
I think I must not be getting it lee.
Ric says (to gist him, perhaps unfairly) “don’t argue from theology.” You say (in 145) “The problem is sometimes it’s pretty hard to remove your faith from your argument.” I say (in 148) “no it’s not”. You say back (in 162) “That’s not my point [it’s about something else that neither you nor Ric are saying].” I say back to you (in 166) “Neither Ric nor I are telling soc-cons [icky term] to go away, just suggesting they fiddle with their rhetoric.”
You return (in 186), “You, sdferr don’t see the point still, the point is that people are telling me to go away, or threatening to, or something untoward…”
And here we are, with me a little puzzled at the account I’ve just given. Seems I must have missed your point from the get go. But let me say now, you should mostly ignore anyone who tells you you aren’t welcome among conservatives, as my sense is, those people will find themselves in a distinct minority and not hold the day.
I am trying to imagine how pitiful a life one must lead if your only validation was making an ass of yourself daily in front of people who hold you in utter contempt.
Are you talking about Sarah Palin, B Moe?
and now we start the whole lotion meets basket psychodrama all over again
I’m gonna correct whoever*, whenever, I hear those lied being stated. Not because I care about Palin (I don’t – politics is for big kids) but because I care about truth.
*except thor, who I’ll just tell to FOAD.
lies.
I see dre got here first.
After 2004 there was no need to heed anything CBS news wrote as having any relation to the truth. Reputations once shredded can’t be repaired.
After this election the Washington Post along with a large number of other papers and TV/radio outlets and their pundits now join the club.
Your source is garbage, they even called themselves that as dre noted above. GIGO applies. They laid down with rats and got up with the Black Death.
yeah, denounced for that reference.
QOTSA – makes a “it puts the lotion in the basket” reference in one of it’s songs. Totally unrelated to the discussion, but I’m on a QOTSA kick right now.
There’s no use in arguing with a misanthrope. We try to ignore it, but it always comes back with something even more wretched.
I turned off NPR for good, geoff. Listening to Pravda is for losers. There’s no dignifying it.
Are you talking about Sarah Palin, B Moe?
I thought you didn’t care?
This one really is retarded, I keep forgetting.
“Republicans have become a cancer of ignorance. I hope the patient survives.”
What!? LOL. That’s real poetic stupid.
So…
Are Democrats the “HIV of the free market?”
No, sorry, Rev Wright said we white folks humped that African monkey 200 years ago and started that show. My bad.
How ’bout the “Colon Polyps of the IRS?”
No?
“Fannie/Freddie Acid Reflux?”
I bet this one hits home…”Liberal Brain Tumors.”
Relax dummy, that brain tumor of yours is only the size of an ACORN.
Ooohh… how about a “thor hemroid?”
Seems we’re all aflicted with that one.
I just find it interesting that are supposed scientist has no regard for quality of data.
I am telling you lamont, thor is the poet laureate of Porta Johns. Sir Marks-A-Lot, we call him.
B Moe,
I don’t care whether Tax n’ Spend Palin calls herself a conservative or not.
I hope very much that she is the Republican candidate in 2012.
Comedy Gold is, as the name implies, hard to come by.
Better pray Barack Obama saves your hubby’s business.
Weak, thor. Oh, and FOAD.
Democrats are the rectum of my bank account. I hope my liquidity sruvives.
Republicans have become pinworms living in lower class colons. Larry Craig still wants his fun.
Democrats are the rats infested with the fleas of socialism that carry the Black Death that can kill freedom.
Democrats are the other ball.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1945960.ece
“I am telling you lamont, thor is the poet laureate of Porta Johns”…
I totally believe you BMoe. I would have heard of him, but as a good Texas hunter and fisherman I prefer to shit out doors with the bears when I’m out in the field.
Nicer scenery and whatnot.
thor can scratch up those “Porta John” fiber glass walls and have that plastic toilet seat all to himself.
When out and about in the country, I, myself, drop a turd to a better view.
Sdferr , I think maybe I am just talking in a more individual sense than you are reading.
The whole discussion about the party being over controlled by the religious right is statistical assumptions overriding grounded reality. The candidate doesn’t pick the voter. The party doesn’t say soc cons are out, the soc cons will let the party represent them, or not.
Just as the Fiscal Cons did in 2006.
Whether or not I should mostly ignore anyone who tells me I’m not welcome among conservatives isn’t even remotely the point. The point is, are conservatives still who(m?) I wish to associate with?
Oh that’s right too lee, it is your choice in the end, quite right.
“Republicans have become pinworms living in lower class colons. Larry Craig still wants his fun.”
thor is talking stupid…
Ooops, tough. I meant talking tough. Didn’t mean “stupid.”
Don’t chalk that up to weakness now…I just misspoke. That’s all.
Tough. thor is tough.
GO thor!!!
Daddy gave you the new PIN number today didn’t he?
Go get ’em tiger.
Republicans are flesh eating viruses in the urethral strictures of America. They only offer citrus drinks in the future.
Three words, lee-Supreme Court appointments.
Parker realizes that Palin is the perfection of the modern republican party. And that freaks her shit. She’s not alone.
I don’t think Palin could carry the teen-mom vote.
Meya, excuse us if we don’t accept your analysis of the situation.
Like a silent fart that trailed ya to the dinner table, even if you asked to be excused you’re still getting a whipping.
Democrats are the uncle at the table asking “pull my finger.” Only fools fall for it.
I prefer to shit out doors with the bears when I’m out in the field.
I work construction in the Athens/Atlanta area. Construction managers tend to be a bit more discerning than bears, unfortunately.
….admittedly, Republicans can be like grandpa’s case of the walking farts-they can stink under pressure, but at least it’s not on purpose.
Yeah, I don’t have much confidence McCain would appoint the guy I like. You know, that would overturn McCain-Feingold.
I still would still feel way more comfortable letting Palin pick over Obama, but the Republican bluebloods tell me I’m kinda stupid to think like that.
But then thor and nishi do too!
I’m changing to independent, that’s all there is to it…
“Three words, lee-Supreme Court appointments.”
You know what’s a delight? Imagining the conversations one could have with sarah palin and several potential supreme court picks about judicial philosophy.
I’ve voted LP-GOP-DEM in the same election. Usually LP so the GOP knows exactly why they lost my vote, GOP if no LP runner, and DEM for VERY local politics, usually if I’ve seen them in action.
I’ll never forget attending my first County Council meeting-it pushed me off the Libertarian brink. Try it some time.
Meya, are you suggesting only a lawyer should be allowed to be president?
Try imagining Obama talking strategy and tactics in TWOT to a group of five star generals sometime.
Makes me a little queasy…
You may not have liked a McCain appointment, but you KNOW you’ll hate an Obama appointment.
You know what’s a delight? Imagining the conversations one could have with sarah palin and several potential supreme court picks about judicial philosophy.
That is quite delightful, actually. Thinking about Obama in the same position horrifies me, however.
“Like a silent fart that trailed ya to the dinner table, even if you asked to be excused you’re still getting a whipping.”
Wow! A literary Einstein!
Obama! Get that thor kid a student loan STAT!
“At the same time we need to be reminding our more-religious fellows that sin is not Caesar’s  that if they propose regulations on individual behavior, they need to argue from impact upon society and have good arguments; “God commands it†isn’t even relevant, much less good enough, and if people want to sin, they will do so whether or not it’s against secular law…”
Ric,
I agree completely with you. Since we have freedom of religion, and from if one chooses, I agree that it cannot be used as the underpinning of any regulation or legislation. While religious considerations may be a useful additional argument for those same acts, they must be able to be completely justified on a strictly secular basis…
But I have to comment that many of the philisophes of the enlightenment based many of the natural rights of man on their equality in the eyes of God. I realize that it was a different intellectual epoch, and that many of these same philosophy’s brought in religious considerations since their opponents were attempting themselves to argue that the absolute rights of monarch’s were also divinely bestowed…
I’m not being argumentative with you friend. Your comment was thought provoking, and these are some of the immediate thoughts that occurred to me!
The bottom line is that while a certain ideal may flow from a religious motivation, in our society it must be able to be first justified by secular considerations…I mean, render unto Caeser that which is Caeser’s and all…
Please don’t mistake these comments as betraying me as a holy roller or something…
Best Wishes, Ric
Voyage of the SS SARAH PALIN LOVEBOAT
Episode 2–Kathleen walks the plank
K-LO: Bring that mutinous bitch up here, Rich! Andy! We are going to have a little chat.
LOWRY: I can’t understand why she would say such awful things about the Holy Sarah.
K-LO: She is just jealous you puerile weak-wristed toadie. Hmm…now what are we going to do with Miss Kathleen?
MCCARTHY: She must walk the plank for her blasphemy against the Holy Sarah!
K-LO: Well we may as well keel-haul her too……otherwise she will just jump ship at the next port like that bastard Christo and David Frum.
While religious considerations may be a useful additional argument for those same acts, they must be able to be completely justified on a strictly secular basis…
Nope, sorry. If Prop 8 in California passed only on the religious beliefs of the voters, it is still constitutional. Global warming nuts can mandate, motivated on their faith, what kind of lightbulb I have to buy, and now we bible nuts have mandated marriage has a definition. It’s all legal, honest.
Kate Mengele, you ignorant slut, isn’t there a street corner missing your presence?
Oh, I forgot. “Slut” is just figurative because reproduction scares you, explaining your Sarah-obsession.
Sorry, it’s the Left that always has that “messiah” cult of personality thing going. They of course crucify the old “messiah” as they raise up the newest, empty vessel to pour all their bile into.
Just rats, carrying fleas, praying to their bacterial god. An infestation on humanity is the Socialist Left.
Look if Parker, Buckley, Noonan and company were more honest and said, we’ve though it over, we prefer liberalism. We’d be be fine with that; but they are not conservatives anymore. They voted against oil exploration, a more aggressive military, potentially the abolition of the Death Penalty according to Ayers the abolition of the current prison system. As I’ve pointed before in other venues; Buckley has been telegraphing a Palin type
in at least two of his last three books. Most directly in his Court satire; Supreme Courtship
(get it) Kathleen basically suggested that McCain
was similarly outer directed when he picked her.
Peggy, I’m beginning to think that speechwriters should not receive public notice, Sorenson, & Frum
seem to validate that point of view.
As to the Court, hard to imagine anyone totally misunderstanding the Constitution as gravely as the Kelo case; reversing two hundred years of precedent
in Hamdi, Hamdan & Boumedienne, and the special atrocity that was the Kennedy case. I was pleasantly surprised that they got Heller right; of course all that is lost since the One’s election.
I think the Pegster did end up voting for McCain she said it’s just it was just very dramatic and fraught with sigh-inducement for her to do so.
Buckley I think just wanted to be the belle at the gay dirty socialist ball this year.
Parker is just a twit. She’s already so last cycle.
Peggy Noonan yearns for the days when she could sigh over the football quarterback while dating the best-looking boy in the AV club. I think 2008 was like that for her. So the drama.
They voted against a more aggressive military, take?
Oh noes!
Parker and FrumFrum are a lot the new face of National Review though. National Review makes Starbucks look skillful brand repositioning. Hey! That would make a neat panel for the spring cruise!
God, are all palin worshippers as stupid as some of you. Is it all “kill the messenger” and stick your fingers in your ears. Maybe Kathleen’s right; we don’t need you clowns.
So, for the kill the messenger morons: Here’s the Canadians.
Here is the conservative Boston Herald.
Rupert’s Sky News.
For you dolts to deny the truth just because you want to whine about press bias? well, fuck it, I have to go hide some assets, since you tools are trying to re-elect Obama in 2012.
[ed – links fixed so that the thread is no longer completely fucked. Repairs courtesy of King Dolt, made on behalf of his dolt legion, to fix errors created by Really Smart Guy Who Knows All.]
Ted has to go hide some assets.
oh. look *like* skillful brand repositioning.*
This is a metaphor, Ted.
If Prop 8 in California passed only on the religious beliefs of the voters, it is still constitutional.
Not for long.
erm…..feets….Frum is leaving NRO.
oh. brb.
Fool, none of the issues in that lawsuit relate to religion.
ok. got it. FrumFrum doesn’t seem to know where he’s headed yet. I bet NPR would love to have him full time. So that leaves Ponnuru and the pronouncey imperious fat girl and a handful of staleness I think. It’s very sad.
GOP 2.0
Ted has to go hide some assets.
They are pretty much invisible now, from where I am sitting.
Does every one on the left have absolutely ZERO computer skills.
HTML is hard. Links? What are those orange things.
Real dolts.
oh. I already read that. Just now. It mostly just had that frightened and scared or whatever FrumFrum quote. I’m not really interested in FrumFrum’s feelings. No. These losers are not a place to look for hopefulness. Having a little faith is key. Dirty socialists suck and people reject them or conservatism is just an empty idea that quails before a malign and dirty socialist press I think.
But the Republican party falls under the heading of shit what is not my problem. Maybe Glenn Reynolds can ask the ever-fascinating Mike Huckabee for his insights. That would be helpful I think.
I wonder if Frum is feeling frum.
Frum probably just wants to take a nice relaxing cruise and just sort of get in touch with his inner FrumFrum for a bit. This must have been absolutely harrowing for the poor man.
Ted Clark:
Please take a quick peek at this. It’s the home page of Texas Motor Speedway.
Have a look at the image. It’s an aerial taken during a race. But you know what else it is?
It’s a quarter of a million people and an aggregate gate of a little over ten million dollars, not counting the beer concession.
It’s between fifty and a hundred million dollars in RVs alone, and close to a half-billion dollars in cars.
And you just told every one of those people to eff off and die, they’re an embarrassment, not fit to associate with you or to have any voice in running the country.
What happens if they take you at your word? Get your reservations in for the 2012 convention right now, Ted. The Beverly Hills Starbucks is a popular place with a waiting list.
Regards,
Ric
Oh, and Teddyboy —
Breaking the page because you’re too ignorant to post a link is a real good way to convince, I think.
Regards,
Ric
Oh, so it’s our better what can’t manage HTML or math what broke the thread. Thanks, Ted. Asshole.
Oh, it’s a concern troll. Feh.
Dallas County went for Obama, Ric.
Huh? I’d only ever heard him whinging and mewling on NPR. Google Images. FrumFrum is all jowely and really taking the whole middle-aged thing on the chin. And around the eyes. And all over it looks like. And he’s whining about not being in a party that’s attractive to the young and the educated. I can’t help these people. It’s called marketing you morons.
What makes you think all NASCAR fans vote Republican, Ric?
Ted Clark reminds me of Dick Clark but with frum.
What makes you think our soldiers should die in Iraq while they try and help people over there snuffles? Especially Major John. That’s really a warning sign when people say stuff like that don’t you think?
You seem like sadfeet today.
Is everything alright?
Or just still bummed over the election?
I know. I don’t get any real news anymore until I get this pc ready to do everything right and cause I turned off the NPR so mostly I have my trade press what I read is all. It’s making me grumpy and on top of that I’m still buried in work, though we’re getting towards the other side of it finally. But you should apologize to Mr. Major John please cause I am getting bored with harping on you.
I’ve got a rather macabre fascination with the depths Baracky will take our little country too. Popped me pop’n’corn, crack a beer, o look, DJIA down 17% since before I even sat down. O what’s that you say? Baracky is gonna expand the gov’t by an order of magnitude? Hell, who saw that coming.
to = too
Sakharov would have been more anecdotal.
By the way I thought the Love Boat pieces were good humored and exemplary not-griefy trolling and that’s what I thought about the Love Boat pieces.
Texas Motor Speedway isn’t in Dallas County, snuffy.
There isn’t even an office there.
Learn some geography.
Regards,
Ric
Yea I think anyone who wishes for soldiers to die like this guy up there, mainly I guess because it would get the Dems more Senate seats or some such are no quite human. If you ever said something like that in my physical presence I’d probably take out my Rem 700 and shoot you in the kneecaps. But hey, there are better people than me.
Typey not so good tonight.
I’m still waiting for John to provide the link to back up his claim, happy.
Or apologize to me, of course.
Remember the Vietnam Vets who claimed people spit on them when they were returning to the US through SFO?
Turns out none of them had ever been to San Francisco.
It sits close to the Collin and Tarrant county lines and draws from Dallas metro, the hub of North Texas. See, I been there, used own me a big ranch home to there, had me some land there in Southlake, 4A State Champs (bitch!)… cause I was born a wrangler and a rambler and I guess I always will.
not at all cool, snuffles
I can’t wait to see how this all ends.
what also is not cool is Pajamas is making me look at Mike Huckabee like dozens and dozens of times a day. And that one that’s just for Michelle is a really not good picture of her. She looks like she was just liberated from some godforsaken camp somewhere.
Major John asked me for a favor. He asked no one talk to the snuffles/alphie/monkyboy thing.
That’s good enough for me, which is why I will never acknowledge his existence except to remind about the favor.
I wonder how the Macy’s thing turned out. They’re almost all mall anchors and that’s the sort of thing that can lead to a surpassingly not-Outlaw sort of day. Just finding parking can be spirit-crushing.
You’re right lee I kind of blew it there.
oh. Crap. Darth… check it…
*
I don’t know if you were around when we got educated on the joys of smart electrical meters….
riiiiight.
Ah, yes. Southlake. Lots of hats and belt buckles, not many cattle. Good football team, though.
Fort Worth is where the West begins. Dallas is where the East peters out. In that formulation, Southlake is the whimpering fringe, desperate for acceptance by the Eastern elitists (and not getting it).
For those who don’t know: Dallas and Cook Counties are adjacent, along a boundary that’s several hundred miles thick in geography but sociopolitically of zero width. Think of Chicago, St. Louis, and Dallas as one urban area with interstitial parklands.
Regards,
Ric
The key thing is don’t try to say the same thing with the same handle; matoko-chan, sylvie ishima, snuffles, et al. Now Ted, what I read through that blizzard of characters; was Palin exonerated in inquiry. Curiously, they came to that conclusion, hours before the election vote. The point they still couldn’t get him fired ,after all that; it seems you actually have to kill someone in Alaska
before they consider removing you. I kmow there’s at least two other ‘ethic complaints’ hanging around from the dead enders; who have been bested by her on countless occasions. People who never got around to really pushing energy development. The latest garbage comes from Mark Jacobsen, the guy who turned Frank Lucas, a vicious drug kingpin into a folk hero, and had even kind words for the moronic truthers. Well New York Magazine, sent him on a search and destroy to Wasilla; surprisingly he survived to finish the story.
No, it seems uncommonly tough for one person to carry the fate of the nation; the state, and her family at the same time. I don’t see too many other takers. Crist, presided over an election system
so flawed and subject to fraud; that the state was easily stolen by felons, ACORN minions, and the like. Minnesota, well the fact that they look like they’re on the way to stealing the State for Franken; and they put up the architect of the Twin Cities bridge collapse; Elvyn Tinkenberg and he nearly won against Michele Bachman. Jindal holds promise, among other things, because of his reform record, cleaning up Louisiana is a momentous job; which won’t be nearly finished in three years. It was precisely because of his record that he made the subject of the most vile campaign before Palin; when he ran for Governor the first time against the likes of Kathleen Blanco. Sanford, I’m not crazy about him; another Southerner, but he’s made some good points on the bailout. From everything I can see Barry’s going to leave in us a world of hurt, either intentionally or by omission and it would
take Hercules to bring us out of it. The Russians, AQ, Iran, are going to take the measure of the man
and it’s not going to be pretty.
Cook? You mean Cooke or Collin?
You ain’t from ‘roun here, are ya.
electrical meters that allow consumers to save money by using electricity at off-peak hours,
WTF… we’ve had those here since the late 80s. Talk about clueless…
aw, someone doesn’t get Ric’s joke. whoda thunk?
For which his Party is responsible.
As usual, the Dems break it
(just like this thread)
and we have to work around
the mess. While they revel
in it.
The dirty rats.
Give thor a couple hours, maggie. That vast intellect will work it out eventually.
Regards,
Ric
bmeuppls… were you around for this post? The author of the piece Darleen talks about shows up in the comments here…
happyfeet, I think you and bmeuppls are talking past one another a little. The big difference being whether it’s voluntary or not. O! didn’t spell that out exactly in what you quoted.
but for example, we recently got a new (free!) thermostat from TXU that they can adjust during peak hours. They are assuming that most people won’t be home at that time (and they also promise not to set it outside of certain temps), but we also can override them if we happen to be home when they do that. (we may be able to change it remotely as well, but I have no idea how that works… that’s RTO’s “Mr. Gadget” thing.)
Oh no, you hit me with a r-winger way-homer humoroid, Ric. There is a Cooke county in North Texas so I think I should get a pass.
Maggie? Grrrrr!
North Texas trailer people should not be on the internets. They should be taken to Grayson county and marched to the border of Oklahoma, where they belong!
Are we still paying attention to intellectual infants and drunken idiots?
Jayzus.
Our version of the thing isn’t a programmable thermostat. It turns off the compressor on the ac system during peak hours for so many minutes per hour and only during peak hours. The price per therm is higher during peak hours and lowest after 10 pm. You learn to run the dishwasher washing machine and other stuff only during the night. Saves about $600 per year. Cost us nothing to install.
I wish I had a new thermostat. The clueless home repair resident – male (not me) decided to “adjust” it and it now has two settings. On and Off. The temp sensor is fragged to the max.
bmeupples, our thermostat just happened to die at the same time the electric co. was making an offer on these things. We had a “programmable” one that started randomly cranking itself down to the sixties.
If anyone tries to “give” me a thermostat the electric
company adjusts I’ll bypass it.
My wife has MS. Heat will put her in the hospital.
Our house is at 68 year round. Costs in the Summer.
Saves in the Winter.
Obama can stick his thermostats where
there ain’t no solar power.
oh. I just figure if this is coming from Baracky instead of local utilities it’s not cause he wants to do industry any favors. He just wants to control stuff I think.
you’ve got a point there ‘feets. I’m just trying to hide my ODS for the evening. ;D
♫ Say it loud, I’m ODS and I’m proud. ♫
Geoff, OUTLAWS Do not do that Code Pink/ActUP cheer chant shit…. you should be ashamed. ;)
Yeah geoffb, that is sooo establishment.
James Brown ain’t no CodePink/ActUp shit.
The Godfather of Soul is not establishment either.
Now Obama☭
Yeah, he is now the establishment along with the CodePink☮
and ActUP☣
James Brown is proud to live in America.
Darn those symbols don’t work.
I’m sorry but that did not sound like James Brown. Singing lessons maybe?
I’m too old for singing lessons so
I’ll just link to this James Brown
song from my
High School days. Enjoy.
Handy thing about snuffles/alphie’s demand for a link: he’s had a LOT of disgusting comments deleted on various blogs. Awfully convenient for him.
Electric meters and thermostats are two different things. Electric meters are those things on the outside of your house/apartment that measure how much electricity you are using. A variable rate meter that simply gave you a better rate during off-peak hours, if that is what he is proposing, wouldn’t be intrusive and could possibly even be a good idea.
AND….right on cue, the Economist weighs in on my seagoing theme of the GOP as the doom-sodden Titanic bearing down on the glacial iceberg of cultural and demographic evolution.
Ship of Fools
la trahison des clercs indeed.
Do you see how this is going to end, thor, cher?
I fail to understand the glee to which people are pronouncing the Republican party dead. Does a one party system sound that great to you?
Regardless, I’d suggest people save their ink for now. Reports of the party’s demise may prove to be premature. I’m done arguing about the anti-intellectualism of the Republican party. Honestly, it’s elitist and embarrassing.
OTOH, Jeff……a small bit of sparkly hope at the bottom of the box of GOP Pandorran horrors.
;)
REAGAN: “I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
Nishi, do you think you’re informing us of anything? Really, honestly, the cartoon figures in your head to not resemble us.
STFU, nishit.
Listening to some people, you’d think that this situation had not been completely reversed just 4-6 years ago. Like history just started this month. Is that hope or change, I wonder.
I vote “Hope”, Mr. Jamal.
Nope pablow, the difference is the environment.
Look at the curves.
dy/dx
sure, and things fell apart in 1992 and the Republicans never recovered. oh wait…
The danger posed to the Republican Party by the declining size of its married white Christian base was clearly illustrated by the results of the 2006 midterm election.
Uhm… yea, and it had nothing to do with the fact that Republicans were getting pissed because “their” elected officials weren’t doing what they wanted.
Did you look at the curves, Carin!? huh!? the fact that married Christians have been declining and yet Republicans still win elections means nothing!!! THERE ARE CURVES!!!
It is like the fucking energizer bunny. It never shuts up.
I’m not gleeful Carin but the Republican party that gave us McCain is dead and repudiated. Repudiated not by our lame dirty socialist president what leans so heavily on his media crutches but by the Republicans that stayed home I think. There are only two proactive little words that mean anything anymore… primary challenges. (Closed ones.) Hopefully also a lot of these codgers will just kick off. But Baracky will make a great case for conservativism, count on it.
you shut up, JD!
ha ha, yes, I’ve been much too productive at work today…
McCain is odious and craven and I do not identify with him.
They will not make an epic movie about McCain’s life. I’m just going out on a limb here.
McCain sucked, and he was a horrible candidate. Whatever lead the party to him was wrong. Mistakes get made. Doesn’t mean the party is going to disappear, or because it made a bad choice it is going to be stuck like that forever. Conservatives have no where else to go, so either they bring their party “back” or they will have no voice or influence. A “new” party is not going to be created. The Libertarian party has no credibility.
McCain isn’t the first failed/bad Republican nominee.
I agree, Carin. This was supposed to just be a good time to spit on some people I don’t like. I was getting all worked up for it and then Kathleen Parker and pals became even more loathsome then the people I was all wanting to spit on so now it’s all messed up to where I’m not sure if I should spit on all of them or maybe find a New Appreciation for the Arlens and the Lindseys of the world. Fat and happy FrumFrum lost his job already. It’s hard to keep up. I need to work on my computer so I can keep track of all this business. Anyway, yes, the metaphor isn’t a phoenix I don’t think but more of a sapling what must be nurtured. I will get my nurturing on later I promise.
Ok. I’m there. Something about just putting it out there like that was very clarifying. Jeez we’ve got some work to do. Hey. Where’s Jeff? Macy’s must have really knocked it out of him.
oh. *than* the people I was all wanting to spit on I mean …
ok. Let’s start nurturing.
conservatism as a principle of governing and social conservatism as a way of living one’s life can  and as I’ve argued, should be, separated
nobody in the comments picked up on that I don’t think. This is a very good place to start growing our little sapling.
oh heck. I hope it wasn’t retaliation for that balloon accident thing. if so, I’ll start the convoy to go rescue him.
ohnoes. I’ll help and I’ll call Ann Althouse to see if maybe she can help too.
Well, dicentra did that founding principals things last week. But, my primary principal is that I’m not going to listen to traitors from the party or those who aren’t honestly interested in the Republicans winning. Because their motives are suspect.
They’re not invited to the conversation. Honestly, they bring up the word “SocialCon” and I tune ’em out.
Remember 4 years ago when the American voters declined John Kerry and left both houses of Congress in the hands of the Republicans? White married Christians were totally ascendant then. Thank O! that the reset button on history was hit two weeks ago. See you in 2016, Senator Kerry! Bring algore, won’t you?
I’m for real gonna watch this thinger with Mr. Reynolds and Michelle where they talk about teh future when I get home tonight. I’m not watching the fascinating Hucakabee conversation though because I spit on you face Mike Huckabee because you are beneath me yet curiously patronizing.
The Bill Whittle guy is growing on me even though he’s not exactly a natural at this sort of thing with the video. He shows promise though.
Traitors have reached a bi-partisan consensus to bail out a bad business model from itself, with all our money. Just crossing wires:
http://tinyurl.com/5f9266
Happy, you may have to reinvent the party yourself. iTunes just (or recently) release a Marr/Morrissy remastered edition of The Smiths. 48 songs for $25.
I said Charles, don’t you ever crave
To appear on the front of the Daily Mail
Dressed in your Mother’s bridal veil ?
Oh …
And so, I checked all the registered historical facts
And I was shocked into shame to discover
How I’m the 18th pale descendant
Of some old queen or other
That will be time well spent, Carin. I’m mostly listening to the nishi tunes these days especially at home. Not feeling the retro thing lately except for some reason I put a Bobby Vinton cd on the other day. I’m not sure what that was about.
I may be sorry I asked, but what are nishi tunes?
I lurv The Smiths, but I don’t know how much I’ll listen on a daily basis. At the gym is when I do most of my music listening and I like to listen to really long songs. Three Tool tunes? That (at least) 30 minutes on the ellipitcal. The Smiths songs are 3 or 4 minuets tops. That’s a lot of changing.
NO I need a five-minute minimum song length.
I make an exception for QOTSA. Just because. Make It Wit Chu.
frankly mr. shankly it’s time to panic
I’m not going to listen to traitors from the party
Yes!
Loyalty oaths, secret handshakes and passwords, oh, my.
Ghost of Christmas Present: It may well be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than MILLIONS like this poor man’s child.
There are no oaths, no secrets, nothing hidden. Just a turning away from those who do not share and seek to uphold the ideals upon which this nation was formed and under which it acheived greatness.
These ones are nishi tunes. Growing on me a lot and New Girl likes them too. I have more at home… some guy named Sonny who is an emo boy but he doesn’t sound at all disillusioned. oh. This is that j-poppy fun sort of thing I like but I don’t try to oversell.
buttons is right on the panic thing. Baracky and his media and his co-opting the Clinton people is what a dirty socialist what is holding all the cards looks like. Our country ’tis of thee dirty socialist oppressive backwater of thee I sing for the foreseeable future I think because these people America they do not love.
When the “classic liberals” were witness to liars they ran into the arms of liars. When they were witness to corrupt CEO’s and politicians they ran with corruption. When they witnessed social, race and economic class dividers they parroted the dividers’ words.
You’re on the wrong side of everything because you are, frankly, wrong on everything. I’ve been consistently right, so what do I know.
It’s a new Renaissance, mark these days in time. I’m ready. My hands are steady. Armed three pistols strong. Draw, McGraw!
oh. It’s harder to do the html right when igmo Ted Clark screws up the whole page with his phony concern troll blitherings.
Re OTT @ #356, and at the risk of repeating something I’ve said elsewhere, I can think of no more efficient way to turn a nascent recession into a full-blown Depression than by showering taxpayers’ money onto major corporations.
Remember when it used to be the Democrats lecturing Republicans about “corporate welfare”…?
Oh, and Carin.
FOAD. Haha!
Just a turning away from those who do not share and seek to uphold the ideals upon which this nation was formed and under which it acheived greatness.
Not even turning away. Just not taking cues.
Happy, don’t you think you just try to listen to a little metal? That second link – I don’t think there was actually any instruments played in the making of that music.
A song needs at least two, if not three electric guitars, unless they are doing an unplugged version. And, honestly, Alice In Chains kinda did the seminal job on that genre and I think everyone else should just not try.
Was I talking to you? I do not think so.
As long as I’ve been reading this blog I haven’t seen you be right about anything, thor. You’ve be consistently wrong and an obnoxious prick to boot.
oh. I have guitar thinger stuff I will be listening to more cause the guy that built my pc put his music on there. Rammsteiny things and some others. I’m not very aesthetical about music I just like happy songs. Alice in Chains I need to rip.
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Feuer frei will mess with your blogging. I’d avoid that.
You know, I forgot all about Soundgarden’s “Burden in my Hand”… that’s a good song. Michele (one “l” Michele) is doing a review of ALL her albums on her new blog (It’s not a pitchfork). It’s pretty fun. I’m the only one over there defending the new Melallica, which she refuses to listen to.
I don’t entirely track with her music tastes, but she did introduce me to QOTSA, so I feel indebted.
I can’t stand Morrissey. Emo at least a decade before emo was cool, which to my mind at least never even happened. More whiny and self-absorbed crapola you will not find, but I have to say that his irritatingness was minimized with Marr around.
If you like Marr, check out The The. Marr joined with them for a while, and much goodness ensued. Morrissey I’d just as soon sink into a deep ocean trench, where he can do no harm for thousands of years.
under which it acheived greatness.
But America achieved its greatest greatness under that Commie FDR, Sam.
You know, The Greatest Generation and all that.
Surely the “party” isn’t going to embrace the principles of caring, is it?
I used to say Alice in Chains was my favorite band, loved them. Then the guy died and I wasn’t listening after a while, because there was nothing new. Anyway, I got all excited a year or so ago because they got a new guy, and were playing with Velvet Revolver locally, so I went and they were really good, I was getting my groove on until they played “Rooster”.
Now Rooster is a Vietnam anthem with a bad ass video, so I’m on the floor about 30 feet from the guitar dude, the video is on a huge screen behind them, I’m loving it, when suddenly a picture of Bush filled the screen for like a quarter second. I was like “whaa…” when they did Cheney. Oh noes, I said, and before long they were showing all kinds of anti-Iraq war propaganda mixed in with the Vietnam stuff.
Fuckers ruined it for me.
I can’t stand Morrissey
Me too. Marr was the beauty behind the melody in The Smiths. Morrissey just threw his jumbled Ghey Whinings on top of them. A few exceptions here and there. His solo career has proved that he was not much of anything as a songwriter or singer.
They were close to a reunion this summer, perhaps a reality next year. That said, i would go see them, even if it were a 6 or 8 hour road trip.
Carin – for 5-7 minuters, there is “How soon is now”. On my workout songs list.
Also have Ministry, Nitzer Ebb, The Squeeze for longishy tracks.
Unruly boys
who will not grow up
must be taken in hand
Unruly girls
who will not settle down
they must be taken in hand
A crack on the head
is what you get for not asking
and a crack on the head
is what you get for asking
Nitzer Ebb. Wow, haven’t listened to them in a long while. Join In The Chant.
The Squeeze? Is that the same as Squeeze? Different kind of music, there.
Oh, it looks like our remaining Republican Senators are busy figuring out what went wrong
That’s what they said after getting their asses beat in 2006.
You just wait til McCain gets back and he’ll fix everything right up. Him and his little dog Lindsey too!
Hearts and Minds, people.
But America achieved its greatest greatness under that Commie FDR, Sam.
America was great before then. The best that can be said of FDR is that he failed to destroy that greatness, at least not yet.
I think also that he believed in America in a way I’m not sure most proggs today still do.
However, his policies arguably lengthened the Great Depression — since it wasn’t until U.S. secondhand involvement in WW2 jump-started the economy that overall recovery began in earnest, and it wasn’t until industrial mobilization after Pearl Harbor finally lit a fire under the recovery that things really started getting better.
Except for, you know, the war.
…’cause, like, war is, you know, bad and stuff.
I’m with you on Morrissey. Whiney bitch.
How Soon is Now … isn’t exactly the kind of song to get my heart-rate up to 150 ifyouknowwhatImean.
Oh, fuck. The Dow is down below 7600.
Haha, the Bushian/Republican sell-off continues. How’s that free market doing ya? Ohnoes, they’re tossing up their turtles!
I thought the market was supposed to rise in anticipation of an Obama presidency. Because of the pricing-in effect.
Odd how the narrative changes to fit the…um…narrative.
Slart, I think the narrative will be “Obama inherited a Bush near-depression”, and the worse it looks now, the less accountability Obama will have in the medium term.
We are screwed.
Bush got your behind.
Quit thinking about my behind, thor.
The whole of congress failed to protect it at least.
#376
You’re proud of your education, aren’t you.
People are still addressing the mayfly and Chinese shipping container army?
Haha, the Bushian/Republican sell-off continues. How’s that free market doing ya?
The free market is doing exactly what it is supposed to. Those with a clue are hiding their money while the thieves are in power. Are you really too fucking retarded to understand this? I suppose that is why you never rose above a gopher on Wall Street, huh?
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