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Erstwhile domestic terrorist and current “education reformer” Bill Ayers and 70s Kung-fu expert and counterculture icon Billy Jack discuss the revival of the anti-Establishment aesthetic from the point of view of the Man

“Can you believe this, man? Finally — the Movement, with its message of fighting violence with violence in the name of non-violence, has taken control of the bourgeois capitalist system. A new day is dawning, Billy. And you, my half-breed brother, a walking, breathing, turquoise wearing symbol of the duality of oppressor/oppressed whose inner turmoil is manifest in spinning high kicks and a message of ‘peace on earth,’ would make the perfect Secretary of Defense.”

image “I suppose. But do you mind if at least do some stretching first. My flexibility ain’t what it once was.

“– Ooh — and maybe get me one them high colonics, see if I can’t get to work farting out the Hippie dust I’ve been carrying around in my bowels for forty years like some poorly digested Thom Gunn poetry collection.

“You have no idea how difficult it is delivering a head kick with a rectum full of bad verse.”

98 Replies to “Erstwhile domestic terrorist and current “education reformer” Bill Ayers and 70s Kung-fu expert and counterculture icon Billy Jack discuss the revival of the anti-Establishment aesthetic from the point of view of the Man”

  1. JHoward says:

    What’s with this narrative against Bill Ayers, blogosphere? Don’t make me hav’ta call the cops.

  2. JHoward says:

    I mean, O! needed to share ideas except for Bill had none. More tea?

  3. Seth Williams says:

    Don’t worry JHoward, you won’t need the cops, or even vigilance. The Corps Obaman Civilian Security (‘COCS’ for short) will do the watching and enforcing for you.

    Which is why it’s more important than ever to be an OUTLAW!

  4. Seth Williams says:

    Just think about it…when they outlaw OUTLAWS!, only OUTLAWS! will me outlaws…or something like that.

    …needs work before I put it on a bumper sticker and sell it on Cafe Press, I think…

  5. Seth Williams says:

    “be”, not “me”

    Bleh.

  6. Dan Collins says:

    “A Blank” is a good poem. I saw it in an anthology.

  7. Rusty says:

    HEY KIDS!!
    Helpful ,”Tip ‘O’ The Day”!!

    While constructing your pipe bombs, take every effort to keep everyone involved away from the bong. Remember, SAFETY FIRST!!!!

    Have fun,
    and Fuck Anerika!

  8. TaiChiWawa says:

    Arse Poetica

  9. SarahW says:

    Can Billy Jack stomp him now?

  10. SarahW says:

    Also a chant of “haircut” “haircut” spontaneously arises from the mob. What could that be about, I wonder.

  11. sylvie_oshima says:

    C’mon Jeff.
    Be honest.

  12. JD says:

    STFU, nishit.

  13. Bob Reed says:

    While an Outlaw! type himself, I believe that Billy Jack whould have opened up a can of whup-ass on Ayers and the Weatherman types, owing to their indiscriminate use of violence…

    You know, for the children

    And I don’t think he would have bought into any of that identity politics, wanna-bee, holistic noble-savage hogiographic crap either…

    Ayers is the personification of the effete, silver-spoon, wanna-be revolutionary; a pusillanimous popinjay who could glibly exhort folks to “kill the pigs!” or to “kill your parents”, but calls the police to save him from O’Reilly’s ambush reporter…

    HYPOCRITE!

  14. Mossberg500 says:

    Where do you go from here?

  15. twolaneflash says:

    Yeah, Billy, cause all those hippie communes were so peaceful and loving, rebuilding shattered lives, like they did at the Spahn Ranch and 18 West 11th Street in Greenwich Village. “As if hands were enough to hold an avalanche off.”. SOS, Billy: Secretary of Shit.

  16. BaKiNeC says:

    Данный пост действительно помог мне принять очень нужное для себя решение. За что автору отдельное спасибо! Жду от Вас новых постов!

  17. Darleen says:

    Kate Mengele still indulging her Sarah-envy.

    Oy.

  18. Mossberg500 says:

    Translation(sort of):The given post has really helped me to make very necessary decision for itself. For what to the author separate thanks! I wait from you for new posts

  19. Rich Cox says:

    Google’s was a little easier to understand:
    This post really helped me take a right decision for himself. During that separate the author thanks! I look forward to your new posts!

  20. J. "Trashman" Peden says:

    Whatever it is, I feel enriched.

  21. twolaneflash says:

    Feel Putin’s boot.

  22. tothestars2 says:

    “One Tin Soldier”

  23. J. "Trashman" Peden says:

    “You have no idea how difficult it is delivering a head kick with a rectum full of bad verse.”

    Yeah, and you’d just end up with two more “Ayers”.

  24. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by J. “Trashman” Peden on 11/15 @ 1:39 pm #

    “You have no idea how difficult it is delivering a head kick with a rectum full of bad verse.”

    Yeah, and you’d just end up with two more “Ayers”.”

    Or one big thor.

  25. thor says:

    “You have no idea how difficult it is delivering a head kick with a rectum full of bad verse.”

    From such lines I’m struck by an opinion that once Jeff is fully run-over by the Right enough times he’ll begin referring to them as charming goldbricks and completely throw his faith in humanity out the window. From there, who knows, he could be the next great voice from the Celine-esque abyss, sans Celine’s antisemitism years, naturally.

    I, again, quote the French Raven:

    “Lying, fucking, dying. A law had just been passed that prohibited all other activity.”

    Compare the bitterness in the salves. He’s getting close, I’m telling ya.

  26. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by thor on 11/15 @ 2:01 pm #

    Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide.

  27. JBean says:

    Billy Jack, you cultural traitor — it’s all about TEH TRIBES!

  28. N. O'Brain says:

    I think that Jonah Goldberg’s insight that leftists are reactionaries because they try to move back in time and re-institute tribes to be very telling.

  29. N. O'Brain says:

    Oh, and thor is a bandwidth thief.

    I’d just like to point that out.

  30. N. O'Brain says:

    As Heinlein said, a thief is nothing but a free-lance socialist.

  31. Mikey NTH says:

    I would have thought that Billy Jack would have kicked the rear of a smug little self-satisfied twit like Billy Ayers. Billy Jack actually took on responsibilities and didn’t run from them; Billy Ayers had daddy bail him out of all of his indiscretions. “Guilty as Hell, free as a bird. Ain’t having a well-connected wealthy daddy great?”

  32. Lesley says:

    Re: Ayers

    When did men forego cufflinks and substitute earrings? I find this a disturbing trend.

  33. Mikey NTH says:

    And Kate can take her maternal regrets to mayfly. He won’t let you breed; mayfly’s daddy probably wouldn’t like that.

    The anti-humanism of Kate and mayfly are the best argument against the left, (though their posters are really cool.)

  34. Mikey NTH says:

    Cufflinks, Lesley? Probably during the 1950’s. Some still wear them – I have seen quite a number of lawyers do so. It is a fashion mark these days, like using a fountain pen – something more utilitarian can be used, but the older implement is done. (Mind – I like fountain pens – the writing looks so much better, especially in cursive. I must say, that my dad has wonderful cursive penmanship no matter the writing instrument. I wish I could write that fast that clearly, communication as utility and as art – making the most pedestrian note beautiful.)

  35. ushie says:

    Ah, and beautiful cursive writing actually was taught in public schools once upon a time. Now the children scrawl, but they can put a condom on a banana in 2.3 seconds, so there’s that.

  36. thor says:


    Comment by N. O’Brain on 11/15 @ 2:40 pm #

    As Heinlein said, a thief is nothing but a free-lance socialist.

    Most Socialist in practice is the American military. BTW, you have a son in the military do you not, P’Brain?

  37. Mikey NTH says:

    N. O’Brain – do not respond to the mayfly. He knows nothing of service to a higher calling. Equating military service to socialism just highlights the ignorance – and personal pettiness – of the mayfly.

  38. Mikey NTH says:

    I doubt the mayfly would have the spine needed to join Kiwanis, or any other civic club, to actually do something for others without material reward to the mayfly.

  39. pdbuttons says:

    did i just read “bad verse”?
    cuz i’m on it!

  40. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/15 @ 3:19 pm #

    N. O’Brain – do not respond to the mayfly. He knows nothing of service to a higher calling. Equating military service to socialism just highlights the ignorance – and personal pettiness – of the mayfly.”

    Well, I was going to ask him what his MOS was, but he would, as usual, run away like the little pussy he is.

    thor isn’t good enough to lick the sand from my sons combat boots.

  41. thor says:


    Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/15 @ 3:19 pm #

    N. O’Brain – do not respond to the mayfly. He knows nothing of service to a higher calling. Equating military service to socialism just highlights the ignorance – and personal pettiness – of the mayfly.

    Says the mimicry troll who hasn’t a clue of sacrifice for country that my name claims. I bleed red, white and blue. Lady Liberty owes me a hand job. This nation’s heartbeat is measured from my pulse!

    Your derision is a bloody miscarriage from Betsy Ross’s belly. Yick!

  42. N. O'Brain says:

    I herewith propose an addendum to Godwin’s Law: thor’s law.

    thor’s law states that as soon as thor appears on a thread, since he is such a black hole of moronic, imbecilic, mentally incompetent looniness, that said thread’s utility is finished.

  43. pdbuttons says:

    just let him do 4 for 4

    tretiak!

  44. Lesley says:

    MikeyNTH –

    You got me thinking about something (for which I thank you). I’m fifty-six years old and I find myself longing for the beautiful things in this world which have seemed to have passed away. The cufflink, the fountain pen, the silver, china, and crystal on the dining room table, the tastefully dressed men and women, the gloves and hats are but reference points. Our society is lacking in graciousness and charm.

    And why would such a person as I find myself at Protein Wisdom? Because, in my eyes, there is something so sound, so refined, and so elegant in the way Jeff articulates his thoughts on intentionalism and Classic Liberalism. He’s a beautiful and graceful thinker, an intellectual aesthete.

    (and there will be the obligatory, “well, what about Jeff’s occasional coarse humor, Mrs. Fuddy Duddy? How do you explain THAT?” Regardless of the images and adjectives, funny IS funny, and generally Jeff is making a point with his humor. There is a standard there, its all cut from the same cloth. IMO.)

  45. ushie says:

    Man, does anyone else find thor and Kate as boring as I find them?

  46. ushie says:

    Lesley, and nice, glossy shoes. So many people wear crocs and hideous sneakers now…

  47. Warren Bonesteel says:

    A bias of design

    Can always be maligned.

     But then, again,

     by dint of pen,

     So can these five lines.

  48. Warren Bonesteel says:

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

    —–

    Their testimony’s destroyed,

    by, in, and of themselves.

    One man curses others;

    the other defends gross lies.

    The third has no inkling

    ‘where his loyalty resides.

    They hunt, seeking converts

    ‘midst legions of the damned.

    They would destroy darkness,

    in a world, claimed un-Man’ed!

    What they do to others,

    in others, they call sin.

    Among the valley’s blind,

    the darkness lies within.

  49. pdbuttons says:

    lesley
    u slay-nice post!

  50. SarahW says:

    The earrings are exactly what you think they might be. Ayers has trod the multisexual path. He has written about sexual experimentation with men, promoted early education efforts to break down social givens such as “mommy – daddy” relationships, and “queer up” education. These efforts may have been part an parcel of his political leaning, the revolutionary iconoclasm thought necessary to bring about marxist utopia. Or he’s just sort of twisted gay.

  51. N. O'Brain says:

    “These efforts may have been part an parcel of his political leaning, the revolutionary iconoclasm thought necessary to bring about marxist utopia. Or he’s just sort of twisted gay.”

    There’s no dicotomy there.

    Just look at thor.

  52. Mark says:

    #32
    I’m glad you brought that up. Can’t I have both? Beautiful green jade and gold, made by a commie in the state commie jewelry (collective, I assume) shop, in Sai Gon. It looks to me like Viet Nam is getting better looking and better dressed. Would that indicate that they are escaping from Communism as quickly as possible. Would the mass of ugly, incomprehensible “art” say anything about where our country is heading, lead by our colleges and universities. Should I infer anything from the sloppy, ill fitting, revealing clothes I see at church, versus in the churches of communist Viet Nam, about the quality of leadership, and direction of the churches there and here? Thanks for asking that question, and you folks for your insightful answers.

  53. Darleen says:

    SarahW

    He has written about sexual experimentation with men, promoted early education efforts to break down social givens such as “mommy – daddy” relationships, and “queer up” education. These efforts may have been part an parcel of his political leaning, the revolutionary iconoclasm thought necessary to bring about marxist utopia.

    Pedophiles get willing victims because they spend lots and lots of time in “grooming”. They tell their victims that there is nothing ever wrong in “love”, that the vic’s parents don’t “really care” about them, they show the vics tons of p0rn from soft style to increasingly explicit while always whispering about the “love” and dismissing any behavior standard as “old-fashioned” or “oppressive”.

    Ayers-style Leftists function in the role of Pedophile to classical liberal societies.

  54. Jeffersonian says:

    Man, does anyone else find thor and Kate as boring as I find them?

    It’s why Bill Gates invented the scroll wheel.

  55. pdbuttons says:

    i’d rather get beaten by my mom unit
    cuz my dad unit-
    he be crabby[with all that work-provider-society-pressure thang]
    plus mom unit is the giver of the soy milk
    but dad unit
    he be crabby!
    and i think-get a job!
    dad unit gives me hee-bee jee-bees!
    redrum
    REDRUM!

    1

  56. Swen Swenson says:

    I’ve heard that our jug-eared Jesus is going to appoint Jenjis Kerry Secretary of Defense. He’s a war hero you know, and we do need someone our soldiers can look up to..

  57. pdbuttons says:

    i heard the coast guard is screwed
    windsurfers! battle stations!
    put on ur bike helmets …[puppet heads /ur excused!]
    the rock/paper/scissors defence!
    i am cuddling my pillow now
    it’s my harbor

  58. Jeff Y. aka The Continental says:

    You see, a bomb/i> is just not as effective as a back, spinning, jumping kick. Ayers didn’t successfully kill any of The Man’s ™ lackeys. Billy Jack kicked ass in numbers a Weathermen Underground bomber can only dream of. It’s not the chemistry, it’s the leg flexibility and good film editing that make a good leftist warrior.

  59. Jeff Y. aka The Continental says:

    And, if I was a real man, I’d be able to close off my italics tags. Harumph.

  60. thor says:

    #

    Comment by Darleen on 11/15 @ 5:38 pm #

    Ayers-style Leftists function in the role of Pedophile to classical liberal societies.

    How do Christian-styled priests function in the role of pedophile to classical liberal societies?

  61. Darleen says:

    Comment by thor on 11/15 @ 7:07 pm #

    Ever take a reading comprehension class?

  62. thor says:


    Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/15 @ 5:56 pm #

    It’s why Bill Gates invented the scroll wheel.

    I just flew in, and boy my arms sure are tired.

    Yes, the scroll wheel line is that worn out.

  63. thor says:

    Ever been told you’re gay?

  64. J. "Trashman" Peden says:

    Ever been told you’re gay?

    Did it come as a surprise?

  65. Rich Cox says:

    Wow. Kerry as SECDEF… Clinton as SECSTATE…. where is all this change I been hearing about. Is there anyone left in the Senate? Going to need the new program to make out who all the players are.

    Meed the new democratic administration, same as the old one.

  66. N. O'Brain says:

    “How do Christian-styled priests function in the role of pedophile to classical liberal societies?”

    As your Papa, thief.

  67. pdbuttons says:

    gay?
    frame the narritive
    i’m happy as a clam
    i yam i yam
    but when we take that death march parade
    and i get jealous of the shade
    please don’t dress as the evil witch
    and point at me
    cuz that would suck!

    [tell me to shut up/or piper down!
    trigs are for kids!]

    nothing says u need a good beating like getting beating!

  68. dre says:

    “Ever been told you’re gay?”

    Yes. Good word until leftards started doing Orwell. Fuckin’ perverts better describes the homo “lifestyle”. Yo male hedonist that piece of flesh fits into a woman. Was Darwin right?

  69. Jeff Y. aka The Continental says:

    Ever notice how leftists use ‘gay’ as an insult even as they defend gayness as respectable alternative. Incoherent.

  70. Mossberg500 says:

    Have I been banned?

  71. Tony LaVanway says:

    This is off-topic, please excuse me.I posted this at Aces also.

    Anyone checked out this Council for Compassion thing yet?

    charterforcompassion.com

    Im not religious{me and God,got our own issues}
    But,this group has this whole Left Behind novels vibe,thats kind of freaking me out.

    Am i just being a Nervious Nelly,for nothing?

    Not feeling Outlawy
    tony
    south haven,mi

  72. lucky lee says:

    When lefties use gay as an insult, it is of course only in the ironic sense. No harm, no fowl.

    Much as only white people can be racist, only Christians can be homophobe.

    I tried to get in the head of a lefty once. Couldn’t make it all the way, too twisted, but I think I see their point of view.

    It’s a dark, scary place, they peer out at at the world from within. Wracked by guilt from their rack of cds, and bigscreens and microwaves and ipods, and air-conditioning and all that friggin food. Government is the reason, so government is the solution. And everyone has it worse than me.

    That’s where the narcissism comes in, everything gets twisted around and upside down and the pope becomes a clown.

    I mean, did you see the parade of hard luck people Obama portrayed on his half hour infomercial? All basically God damning America, their plight is not of their own making; tis Georges fault they all said. More importantly though, this must never happen to other people, government must provide in fortunes stead.

    Lord Obama will see this devastation repaired, no one is safe without his vision. And even if 10,000 <pets were rescued from Katrina, my neighbors are starving I heard.

    It’s utopia we see, everyone as well off as me, and I deserve no less than my boss or Exxon.
    O!

    Oy

    Ok, that’s all for now, least the nightmares come back.

  73. lucky lee says:

    Sorry, buttons has triggered my whimsy. I don’t know how long before I’m better.

  74. SarahW says:

    Here’s a shot version of a favorite quote from Stephen Fry:

    “It drives me to frothing frenzy when politicians return from inner cities, saying “what these people of this town need is Hope”. . .”what these bleeding hearts mean is Money, but they’re too greasy to say so”

  75. B Moe says:

    Wow. Kerry as SECDEF…

    Is this seriously being considered? Would the military really stand for this?

  76. pdbuttons says:

    shoot me with ur fun gun!
    in a non-sexual-non threatening way
    with a bon bon!
    lets have a 3k pun run!
    sorry…. these sneakers just came out of the dryer
    i’ll catch up with u!
    :]

  77. pdbuttons says:

    i like running downhill
    ahhh -if life was that simple!
    but sometimes it do snow
    dontcha know
    and that’s when i get in my todd-a-billy vroom-vroom machine!
    and seek my st.bernard
    cuz i’m outta booze at the house and i’m
    really thirsty! [lee!]

  78. pdbuttons says:

    i pee in the snow
    cuz i can!
    i snow angel in the snow..
    cuz i can!
    if that rescue dog is wearing a boston bruins sweater with
    the #4
    i’m in heaven!

  79. B Moe says:

    I mean, seriously, between Kerry and Ayers, just how treacherous does one have to act before we can question their patriotism?

  80. B Moe says:

    NO BOBBY ORR FOR YOU!

  81. pdbuttons says:

    robert gordon orr
    my first mommy used to wake up at 5 am
    to take me to some retard quonsett hut hockey rink
    so we could all skate in the same lefty direction

    but then bob-bob-bob was drafted
    and hockey rinks erupted
    thru th fruited plains!
    and after skate-skate-skate
    elbow to your face
    and a butt-end

    we would all gather around the snack bar
    as our skates got sharpeed
    and think of those 5am quonsett hut days!
    thank u bobby orr!

  82. pdbuttons says:

    b mo-u good
    thanks 4 reading
    this site is addictive!
    in a fun fun way

    my ass hurts!

  83. lucky lee says:

    lonely interrogation room
    me, the lamp and a chair
    I yell and plead and question
    the chair sits, unmoved
    I prod and poke and peer underneath
    are you a blockhead?
    I still hear knot.
    I exclaim in frustration
    can I question patriotism
    if it never even made it in the room?

  84. pdbuttons says:

    lucky lee!
    u better than buttons!

  85. lucky lee says:

    I try to be punny!

  86. pdbuttons says:

    a chair
    a stamp
    a one bulb lamp
    that’s the way we spell new york!

    a knife
    a fork
    a bottle and a cork
    the monkee who kinda had talent[peter york]
    thats the way we spell/
    new jersey!

    santa- idon’t want a pony

    i’m thinking…a black shirt with
    a number 4 on it….
    w/ a big spoked wheel on the front…
    hubby like …a hub
    love u robert[gordon] orr!

    tretiak!

  87. pdbuttons says:

    the wreck of the lucky lee fitzacarldo
    it’s not a hill
    if ur standing on toppavit[russian spell check]
    it’s not a mound
    if it gots almond in it![almond joy]
    and u aren’t an ass-wipe if u come on this site!
    thanky jeff thanky

  88. lucky lee says:

    Is this seriously being considered? Would the military really stand for this?

    B Moe, what could the military do about it? Besides a few generals resigning or something.

  89. pdbuttons says:

    i been banned from more movies than
    [afflack]
    i’ve cock-a-doodled more dudes than u’ve seen sunshine!
    [afflack]
    i’ve twice tried to cross the street from my mansion
    [afflack]
    but that’s what limo drivers be 4!
    [crack pipe!]

  90. guinsPen says:

    i been banned from more movies…

    How ’bout blogs?

  91. B Moe says:

    B Moe, what could the military do about it? Besides a few generals resigning or something.

    I think it would be more than a few generals. It would devastate morale it seems to me.

  92. steveaz says:

    SarahW, #50,
    Anyone besides me think Ayers’ acne-scars look suspiciously like a crack-user’s pock-marks?

    I’ve been thinking this for a couple of months, ever since I saw a blow-up of Ayers’ face. And, my experience with wacked-out “Queer-Up” academic activists is that a lot of them abuse some pretty toxic drugs. These guys love stuff like Meth because it makes the radical-loser feel brilliant, and because it stimulates and prolongs their “brilliant,” after-hours’ oratory. IOW, a couple of bumps and the self-conscious pip is transformed into the Iron-Man…for awhile.

    Case in point: if Charles Manson’s gang had stuck to Folgers’ coffee and cheap beer, the La Bianca murders wouldn’t have happened. Indications from Ayers’ advocacy priorities suggest he’s fallen into the Meth-trap.

    Which may handicap him in the long-run, ‘cuz Billy Jack don’ do crack.

  93. twolaneflash says:

    Billy Jack = Cracks Heads
    Billy Ayers = Crack Head

  94. Swen Swenson says:

    I was just kidding about Kerry as SECDEF. I hope..

  95. lucky lee says:

    Thanks Swen, ya asshill. Could’a caused trauma here!

  96. Mikey NTH says:

    #44 Lesley:

    Indeed. I remember those days when I would be home from school with a cold. The early-mid 1970’s. Sitting there and watching ‘Bill Kennedy at the Movies’ on channel 50 in the Detroit area. In those old movies the adults dressed like adults, and acted like adults. It was so strange to see – you could tell who was whom quickly by dress and behavior. A lot was lost between 1960 and 1970 in terms of behavior; an eternal childishness (with a twist) was adopted.

    Pity to lose all of that graciousness and respect for others, consideration of others; the gutter as something to aim for rather than to avoid.

  97. Mikey NTH says:

    #44 Lesley:

    In Re: coarse humor. It reminds me of something I read: “One can be funny without being vulgar, and one can be funny and vulgar; I suggest you chose one or the other.”

  98. MC says:

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!! This is the funniest Billy Jack conversation of all time!

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