November 11, 2008
Statesmanship

A man of his word. A man of honor. A man to be trusted. A good man:

Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.

“Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel,” a top Bush source warned.

“BUSH AND OBAMA AT ODDS OVER AID FOR AUTO INDUSTRY,” splashed the NEW YORK TIMES in an exclusive Monday evening, quoting “people familiar with the discussion.”

The two met at the White House in private, without staff.

“Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia,” claimed the TIMES.

The ASSOCIATED PRESS quickly followed with details of the conversation, citing “aides who described the discussion on grounds of anonymity, citing the private nature of the meeting.”

Bush advisers view the leaks as an effort to undermine the president’s remaining days in office.

“Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private,” a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

Well, in fairness, how could he be?

I mean, the guy hasn’t much government experience, really — and writing Oprahfied books about what made you you doesn’t provide a crash course in statesmanship the way, say, executive experience does.

Beyond that, I guess we’ve learned one more thing about Obama that reminds us of Jimmy Carter: a disdain for the kind of courtesies given other Presidents by those who’ve held (or, in this case, will hold) the office.*

(h/t Dan)

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  1. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/11 @ 2:04 pm #

    See? Class.

  2. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 2:07 pm #

    He is a vile cur, an odious toad, a jackanapes, a coxcomb, a prancing capon, his mother was a hamster and his father smelled of elderberries!!1!

    Oh sorry, your ODS is very contagious. Don’t cough in my face like that again.

  3. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:09 pm #

    “Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel,” a top Bush source warned.

    Actually I’m almost surprised that this harsh rebuke escaped the Bush White House. I wonder whether Bush will hunt the speaker down and exacts some sort of punishment upon him.

  4. Comment by Jeff G. on 11/11 @ 2:12 pm #

    Right, Lisa. Just as inconvenient facts are a “smear,” now pointing out instances wherein Obama acted in a way that is considered crass and unstatesmanlike will be termed ODS.

    Glad to see you joining the legions of those committed to the idea that words mean what those who shout them loudest — or defend them with the most militancy — mean.

    Might makes right!

  5. Comment by JHOward on 11/11 @ 2:13 pm #

    Actually, Lisa, it’s somewhat like my brother just observed: “One hand doesn’t know what the other is doing so we end up with these conflicting statements. Mr. President-elect has to keep ‘clarifying’ the positions his subordinates keep releasing on his behalf. It’s almost like he has no leadership experience whatsoever.

    “He’s unprincipled and disorganization is the result. Wait till the foreign policy gaffes start showing up. He’s gonna go down as a president that got nothing done because the confidence level in his leadership is going to degrade his authority.”

    Not much ODS there, I’d say. Something somewhat closer to, shall we say, a decent read on the reality the early evidence points to. In other words, with not much more than this level of incompetence to recommend him one entire week into President Electhoodiness, I can’t blame you for pointing over there instead. Look!

  6. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 2:14 pm #

    Senator Obama may not be familiar with a long-standing tradition of presidents holding their private conversations, private,” a senior adviser explained to the DRUDGE REPORT.

    The Drudge Report. I missed that the first time around. Okay.

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    The Drudge Report?

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    Sorry. (wipes eyes). I’m sorry what were you saying?

  7. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/11 @ 2:14 pm #

    He had a private discussion with Obama. Obama blabbed to his aides. His aides went to the press off the record. Here’s the upshot.

  8. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 2:15 pm #

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    Okay okay okay.

    That was awesome.

  9. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:16 pm #

    I wouldn’t blame Bush if he called the head of the Secret Service and let it be known that Senator Obama and his entourage would be welcome on the White House grounds only as of January 20.

  10. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/11 @ 2:17 pm #

    Why don’t you read the transcript of the Dana Perino press conference, Lisa?

  11. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:18 pm #

    You certainly couldn’t expect that though, could you Jeffersonian?

  12. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 2:19 pm #

    i remember jimmah carter
    my dad being pissed cuz he was always looking 4 work
    the misery index. but i was 17-so i only paid attention to him when he told me to wear a sweater!
    i’m 17! i don’t wear sweaters
    but i sure do remember/live his ‘ex’presidency
    spouting off at coretta scott kings funeral and insulting bush while he graciously sat there
    carbon footprinting around the globe denigading[sp] this country

    politics stops at the waters edge
    unless you’re a filthy democrat

    i hope obama does not live to be 80
    and all u leftoids who want to frame ur narrative
    i could of said something much worse
    please quote in full [yeah-right!]

  13. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:22 pm #

    You certainly couldn’t expect that though, could you Jeffersonian?

    No, I suppose not. As much as I disagree with Bush, I think he has a sense of honor and works from it most of the time. Those with a sense of honor are always at the mercy of those who do not. In a nation where the difference if recognized, it all works itself out. Unfortunately, for reasons Jeff regularly discusses here, I am afraid the US is no longer a nation that can recognize the difference.

  14. Comment by Roland THTG on 11/11 @ 2:23 pm #

    Maybe they have classes or something he could take.

  15. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:23 pm #

    “is” recognized…sheesh

  16. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:24 pm #

    Both Bush and Obama are respectfully statesmanlike toward each other. Their both Harvard Men, for Chrissakes!

  17. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:25 pm #

    Their = They’re

    Bad thor.

  18. Comment by Topsecretk9 on 11/11 @ 2:25 pm #

    I’m sure other heads of state will understand they need to watch what they say and share with Obambi.

  19. Comment by baxtrice on 11/11 @ 2:25 pm #

    Lisa, with due respect..you seem to have missed something:

    Obama & Bush in the White House = private conversations

    Aide showing displeasure by talking to Drudge AFTER Obama’s people leaked details to press = fair game.

    See? Just a teensy bit of common sense.

  20. Comment by wheelers_cat on 11/11 @ 2:25 pm #

    dur…can’t you recognize a machiavelli move when you see one?
    O’s just bringin’ the pressure to George the socialist banker-bailer,
    hey, dude, how about we put some of that taxpayer fundage into saving Main Street jobs, steada makin it all into handouts for your homies on Wall Street?

    Here yah go feets.
    Spiralling

  21. Comment by Roland THTG on 11/11 @ 2:26 pm #

    Why don’t you read the transcript of the Dana Perino press conference, Lisa?

    Lisa gotz her summat Obama Delusional Syndrom.

  22. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 2:28 pm #

    fatal attraction quote
    “i WILL not be ignored”

    will obamas ex-presidency museum be termed an appease center?
    you just gotta have the word justice thrown in though
    i hope it’s shaped like his brothers squalid hut though
    except it costs 12 dollars 4 the official obama coffee mug
    not twelve dollars to live on for a whole year

  23. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:28 pm #

    Both Bush and Obama are respectfully statesmanlike toward each other.

    And then Obama’s dirtbag lackeys took it from there.

  24. Comment by Dash Rendar on 11/11 @ 2:30 pm #

    I think ODS runs both ways, i.e. Dems who can see no wrong in the Dali Bama, e.g. Lisa, and the Republican variety. Lisa, that cackling makes you look crazy and you played the textbook rhetorical trick “hey look drudge report, heh, heh. What, O! said something? DRUDGE!!”

  25. Comment by Bob Reed on 11/11 @ 2:31 pm #

    Yeah….Real class….And sooooo conscientious….

    Just proves the adage; you can take a guy out of the neighborhood, but you can’t take the neighborhood out of the guy…

    And thor, I’m pretty sure that Boooooooosh! is a Yalie…But, I could be wrong. On the right we aren’t required to know our fearless leaders bio…

    Best Wishes…

  26. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:34 pm #

    Bush got a Masters Degree at the Harvard Business School Bob.

  27. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:35 pm #

    And thor, I’m pretty sure that Boooooooosh! is a Yalie…But, I could be wrong.

    He’s both…Yale history degree, Harvard MBA.

  28. Comment by JHOward on 11/11 @ 2:36 pm #

    Feel free to explore even more fallacies, Lisa. It’s entertaining if not exactly unpredicted.

  29. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:36 pm #

    Bush went to Harvard for his MBA.

    Bush aides would be ten-times more likely to leak than Obama’s, but go ahead an check the reality at the door, we’re talking Drudge – victim was maimed, had a B carved into her face! Whitey tape at 10!

  30. Comment by ushie on 11/11 @ 2:36 pm #

    Off that, ob Reed, I know Bush’s IQ, SAT scores, GPAs, attendance records, blah blah blah, and Kerry’s and Gore’s grades and IQ’s, but not Obama’s.

    How curious.

  31. Comment by ushie on 11/11 @ 2:37 pm #

    Bob, not ob. Sorry, Bob.

  32. Comment by JHOward on 11/11 @ 2:38 pm #

    …how about we put some of that taxpayer fundage into saving Main Street jobs[?]

    Free markets much, nuggie-san?

  33. Comment by Topsecretk9 on 11/11 @ 2:38 pm #

    Are Lisa and Thor retarded? The AP cited Obama aides as their sources in their story you nimrods.

  34. Comment by Doug Stewart on 11/11 @ 2:39 pm #

    Bob:
    He got his MBA from Hahvahd.

  35. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:39 pm #

    Still trying to ply us with FMFT (free market fairy tales).

  36. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:40 pm #

    Bush aides would be ten-times more likely to leak than Obama’s, but go ahead an check the reality at the door, we’re talking Drudge – victim was maimed, had a B carved into her face! Whitey tape at 10!

    Right as usual, Thor:

    President-elect Obama suggested to President Bush that the administration immediately help struggling U.S. automakers, aides to the Democrat say, in the first face-to-face meeting the pair had since Obama’s election victory.

  37. Comment by baxtrice on 11/11 @ 2:41 pm #

    Free Market Fairy Tales?

    Troofers, it figures.

  38. Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 11/11 @ 2:42 pm #

    Undergrad counts as your institution. not grad. Bush is a Yalie. Clinton is a Yalie, not an Oxfordy.

    Thor is a ITT techy, not a DeVryie

    Baracky is a Columbian (allegedly).

  39. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:42 pm #

    Oh, and it was an AP story, Thor, not Drudge himself. Sorry, link won’t post…

  40. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:46 pm #

    Jeff has the AP linked in the body of the post above under the word “statesmanship”.

  41. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 2:46 pm #

    but bush is a legacy affirmative action figure!

    serious question/when i talked to my lib friends and ask ‘em why they like obama-they tell me-”he writes his own speeches’
    is that true
    i mean-this place is kind of an echo chamber
    did he?
    [so what was always my response btw-a bullshitters a bullshitter]

  42. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:46 pm #


    Comment by Topsecretk9 on 11/11 @ 2:38 pm #

    Are Lisa and Thor retarded? The AP cited Obama aides as their sources in their story you nimrods.

    Quit panting with so much desperation on your breath. Read the article. It’s not a “leak” if Obama’s communications director is quoted and named, fool.

  43. Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/11 @ 2:46 pm #

    Does that mean I was momentarily as stupid as Thor? I might jump off something…

  44. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:48 pm #

    “…Does that mean…” No, no such inference is warranted with regard to either person.

  45. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:49 pm #

    Think of me as the wind in your wings, brother.

  46. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/11 @ 2:49 pm #

    It’s not a “leak” if Obama’s communications director is quoted and named, fool.

    Even better. Calculated douchebaggery.

  47. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 2:49 pm #

    thor/ it ain’t drudge-’tis the narrative
    it’s what doesn’t get reported
    don’t get your panties in a twist
    unless you’re auto-erotico-strangling yourself
    then it’s ok

  48. Comment by Roland THTG on 11/11 @ 2:51 pm #

    Bush aides would be ten-times more likely to leak than Obama’s, but go ahead an check the reality at the door, we’re talking Drudge – victim was maimed, had a B carved into her face! Whitey tape at 10!

    Quit panting with so much desperation on your breath. Read the article. It’s not a “leak” if Obama’s communications director is quoted and named, fool.

    That boy changes direction faster than a cockroach in full escape mode!

  49. Comment by Topsecretk9 on 11/11 @ 2:53 pm #

    another bit of shedenfreude:

    Last week, however, 10 percent of voters were African American while 18 percent were Latino, and applying exit poll data to that extra turnout reveals that the pro-Obama surge among those two groups gave Proposition 8 an extra 500,000-plus votes, slightly more than the measure’s margin of victory.

    To put it another way, had Obama not been so popular and had voter turnout been more traditional – meaning the proportion of white voters had been higher – chances are fairly strong that Proposition 8 would have failed.

  50. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:53 pm #

    Out door jams
    Michael not singing
    ’bout Suicide Blondes
    no Kerblam!
    Just gurgle, gurgle
    What?

  51. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 3:05 pm #

    This is deeply hilarious. I haven’t laughed this hard since Sanford and Son went off the air.

    Wolverines are classy muthafuckahs, apparently.

    WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. Comment by happyfeet on 11/11 @ 3:13 pm #

    thanks nishi … I will listen when I get home … the have the youtubes to where they can’t play here at work. It’s very oppressive. I could use a proxy but I always forget which ones I like. Baracky is not involved in much of his presidency yet I don’t think. It’s easy to picture him nervously composing himself in the green room, hoping he doesn’t get bumped, trying to remember his funniest marxy anecdotes and Bush jokes.

  53. Comment by happyfeet on 11/11 @ 3:14 pm #

    sorry … *they* have I meant. Now I’m trying to eat my tasty salad and comment. Not a very multitasky day. oh. I like Drudge. He’s been my homepage forever and ever.

  54. Comment by mcgruder on 11/11 @ 3:18 pm #

    me?
    im waiting for him to do something.
    as opposed to say something.
    because, for all Bush’s faults, the brother was a “doer.”
    Not always doing the right thing, but he did stuff.
    and I’m just seeing leaks, and gums flapping and such from the new and pretty boys. Those are easy; Doing stuff? less so.
    so Ill keep my mouth shut.
    which will put absolutely no one off their feed here.

  55. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 3:27 pm #

    suicide blonde[inxs]
    i’m getting ready for some liberal excess
    but i hear papa [thor] don’t take no mess[james brown]
    if i know if i say
    hang the dj[smiths]
    on campus
    do i have to denounce myself?

  56. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 3:32 pm #

    Call on Lady Day and John Coltrane.

    They’ll wash your troubles away.

  57. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/11 @ 3:41 pm #

    That boy changes direction faster than a cockroach in full escape mode!

    Of course he does. The facts are immaterial; The Narrative is All.

  58. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 3:44 pm #

    lady day was my vice president pick
    but i don’t think she could make me a moose-burger

    figures u’d pick two junkies

    but if that’s what it takes to survive the next two years
    where’s the
    A[methadone line
    B[the performance art grant line

    trix are for kids

  59. Comment by Jack Klompus on 11/11 @ 3:44 pm #

    Watching pretentious pseudo-intellectual fuckwad douchebag thor subjected to repeated beatings about the face would truly be A Love Supreme.

  60. Comment by JD on 11/11 @ 3:48 pm #

    Dirty little socialist fuckers. I would not invite them back until January 20th.

  61. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 3:52 pm #

    i know!
    but a krispy kreme sugar junkie rush
    could not stop my supreme court despair
    hey-when ya think they’ll take stevens/ginsburg off the dry ice?
    what are they vegas odds on the date?

  62. Comment by Benedick on 11/11 @ 3:54 pm #

    Memories
    Light the corners of my mind
    Misty watercolor memories
    Of the way we were

    http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/12/nation/na-clinton12

  63. Comment by ginsocal on 11/11 @ 3:54 pm #

    Lisa still doesn’t get it, but I suppose that is typical of douchebag O! supporters. it came from “unnamed staff” due to its confidential character. Why Drudge reporting it is so hysterical is a puzzlement. ‘Course, most everything these peckerwoods think, do and say is puzzling. It’s like they’re incredibly, irrevocably, massively, black-hole stupid, or something.

  64. Comment by lee the knife on 11/11 @ 3:57 pm #

    Lisa, that cackling makes you look crazy

    Crazy is the new classy.

    Kos is a classy establishment of the MAN now.

    Jeez, get with the times gramps…

  65. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 4:06 pm #

    Always the “Kos” citing. Cuz everyone on the left is a bunch of Kossites who are being bankrolled by George Soros, the Illuminati, and the Keepers of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Run, runawayfast!!

    The commies’r coming! The commies’r comming! To arms, to arms!!!1!!

  66. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/11 @ 4:08 pm #

    Why Drudge reporting it is so hysterical is a puzzlement.

    Because everything that gets mentioned by Drudge is a lie. It just is.

  67. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 4:14 pm #

    Bunker, binoculars, black helicopters, and keep those flames from your campfire low.

  68. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 4:17 pm #

    Bunker, binoculars, black helicopters, and keep those flames from your campfire low.

    Whispers “wolverines!1!!” fervently to thor.

  69. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 4:30 pm #

    I’m feeling more mongoosey versus wolveriney.

  70. Comment by happyfeet on 11/11 @ 4:35 pm #

    Everybody who saw the Jungle Book knows that
    Riki tiki tavi is a mongoose who kills snakes.
    But when I was a young man I was led to believe
    There were organisations to kill my snakes for me,
    I was told i.e. the Church, i.e. the Government, i.e. School…
    But as I got a little older I learned I had to kill my snakes myself.

  71. Comment by lee the knife on 11/11 @ 4:36 pm #

    Always the “Kos” citing. Cuz everyone on the left is a bunch of Kossites

    Hey, it wasn’t me that spent 5 minutes typing “Ha”.

  72. Comment by Ric Locke on 11/11 @ 4:43 pm #

    Y’know, I am starting to look forward to this, in a grimly ironic sort of way.

    Those of you with long memories may recall my mentioning my Grandmother, the Old Southern Liberal (in context — context is all.) “Lizzie” was a lifelong Democrat who believed FDR was the finest thing evah and considered That Man in the White House (Eisenhower, in this case) just short of demonic. With all of that, she would never have allowed the n-word to pass her lips, and could be scathing about the lack of class and refinement of those who used it. It would’ve been in 1959, or perhaps 1958, when she upbraided me for thoughtlessness. “You have to be nice to the Negroes,” she told me. “They can’t do for themselves the way white people can.”

    If this incident is an example, we’re going to have four years of the Media ringing different changes on “You have to be nice to Obama, he’s black and you can’t expect him to be competent.” Perhaps we should start an archive.

    Regards,
    Ric

  73. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 4:48 pm #

    Typing lee? Don’t think so, that was an iterated cut and paste job if there ever was a call for one.

  74. Comment by Darleen on 11/11 @ 4:54 pm #

    Lisa

    Are you the founding member of Cunts for Obama?

  75. Comment by lee the knife on 11/11 @ 5:06 pm #

    Sdferr , sssshhhhhh, Lisa is representing for the MAN. I think the time “typing” goes towards her civil service requirements. Help the girl shaft the MAN, man,

  76. Comment by JHoward on 11/11 @ 5:15 pm #

    Love how Lisa flits from her own gross fallacies to some clear-as-glass perspective on, of all things, wingnut fantasies of her own invention. There’s a certain rhythm there.

  77. Comment by m on 11/11 @ 5:17 pm #

    Darleen!

  78. Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/11 @ 5:29 pm #

    That boy changes direction faster than a cockroach in full escape mode!

    Well, what do you expect from a blog cockroach?

  79. Comment by ginsocal on 11/11 @ 5:30 pm #

    Clearly, O! is our Affirmative Action president, given as how he got the job when there was a far more qualified white guy applying for it.

  80. Comment by Carin on 11/11 @ 5:34 pm #

    I know how this works. You know, AP may have to story, but if Drudge has it also … it just totally loses all credibility.

  81. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/11 @ 5:37 pm #

    “Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 2:39 pm #

    Still trying to ply us with FMFT (free market fairy tales).”

    You are a fucktard, thor, a pitiful retard.

    Why don’t you just FOAD?

  82. Comment by N. O'Brain on 11/11 @ 5:40 pm #

    “It’s like they’re incredibly, irrevocably, massively, black-hole stupid, or something.”

    Personally, I’m convinced that thor got sucked into a black hole and traveled through a worm hole from Teh Stoopid Universeâ„¢ to our real universe.

  83. Comment by ccoffer on 11/11 @ 5:48 pm #

    A piece of shit acts like a piece of shit. The only solution is in opposition. Moral outrage won’t deter a piece of shit.

  84. Comment by Jack Klompus on 11/11 @ 6:44 pm #

    thor isn’t even a completely formed well-ejected turd but rather a smear on drawers or a splatter in the bowl post-cheap beer binge.

  85. Comment by ginsocal on 11/11 @ 6:57 pm #

    Jack, around here, those are called “Havana Omlettes.” Just thought you’d like to know.

  86. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 7:04 pm #

    the Hershey PA. highway is littered with Jack Murthas empty candy wrappers
    soon to be picked up by the civilian corp
    ahh-the cycle of life

  87. Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 7:04 pm #

    serious question/when i talked to my lib friends and ask ‘em why they like obama-they tell me-”he writes his own speeches’
    is that true

    You betcha. All those advisors? He just hired them to keep them off the street. Kind of a early start on his jobs programs.

  88. Comment by Jack Klompus on 11/11 @ 7:07 pm #

    I remember the Super Duper Looper at Hershey Park (it takes you upside down!) Great roller coaster. Hershey Park had the band shell where one could see “Puppet Show and Spinal Tap.” Havana Omeletts come with a side order? White or wheat?

    p.s. thor you’re a pretentious worthless douchebag whose presence here provides endless pleasurable opportunities to inform you that you are a pretentious worthless douchebag whose opinion and views have the value of a shoe scraping, you mindless tard.

  89. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/11 @ 7:17 pm #

    triple-bill
    puppet show
    bruce springsteen
    obama

  90. Comment by Jack Klompus on 11/11 @ 7:26 pm #

    and a spoken word “slam” by disenfranchised dissident Tim Robbins.

  91. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 7:30 pm #

    it wasnt rilly a leak cause OBAMAs people said it and anyway i bet it was bush people who leaked it and you cant believe it rilly happened anyway cause its on Drudge and you guys are a bunch of rightwingers so there!

  92. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 7:32 pm #

    I spend hours and hours commenting here because I don’t care what you people think.

  93. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 7:34 pm #

    and I read Celine and name drop jazz musicians so I’m fukkin’ smarter than you and I fuck Russian chicks so I’m fukking smrter than you wingnuts and now please allow me to craft a sthtoopid fukkin pretentious pseudo-poetic phrase that’ll show you how smrt I am and I fuk a Russian chick and read Celine so your thtoopid!

  94. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 7:36 pm #

    Well, I for one, can’t get enough of you Lisa.

    *blink-blink*

    oh, did I say that outloud?

  95. Comment by Carin on 11/11 @ 7:39 pm #

    Lisa laughs at my jokes. She can stay.

  96. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 8:04 pm #

    Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 7:32 pm #

    I spend hours and hours commenting here because I don’t care what you people think.

    That wasn’t me. That was likely JHoward. But it was clever.

    Sdferr: You rock my world.

    Carin: Yay! If they throw me out of here, I will just spend even more hours loitering on your blog. I will bring a couch and sit out front with my 40oz.

  97. Comment by happyfeet on 11/11 @ 8:08 pm #

    Lisa is cool beans. I don’t have to go far out my door to find people what think Lisa thoughts but are a lot less agreeable. Finding the Lisa ones, I have to walk and walk.

  98. Comment by J."Trashman" Peden on 11/11 @ 8:17 pm #

    Lisa seems to have gone the way of all nishi. No surprise, really. Terminally unhappy.

  99. Comment by TmjUtah on 11/11 @ 8:25 pm #

    I don’t think that Barry is going to blossom like a rose in the dawn.

    I’m thinking more like a turd hitting a windshield after a homeless guy pinches one off off the overpass.

    It’s official. I’ve already put in some marshmallows for those nights when I watch his old media enablers tearing his intestines out.

    52/48 doesn’t let you imprison journalists.

    Not when the 48 are buying enough guns to make Ghengis Khan appeal to the U.N.

    Fuck you, Barry. Just try to kill as few people through your communist ignorance, okay?

  100. Comment by lee the knife on 11/11 @ 8:25 pm #

    Huh, Trashman. I was leaning the other way…clinically happy.

  101. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 8:25 pm #


    Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 7:34 pm #

    and I read Celine and name drop jazz musicians so I’m fukkin’ smarter than you and I fuck Russian chicks so I’m fukking smrter than you wingnuts and now please allow me to craft a sthtoopid fukkin pretentious pseudo-poetic phrase that’ll show you how smrt I am and I fuk a Russian chick and read Celine so your thtoopid!

    Hehehe, another unhinged mooser drops some steam.

    A God who counts pennies and minutes,
    a desperate sensual God,
    who grunts like a pig.
    A pig with golden wings,
    who falls and falls,
    always belly side up,
    ready for caresses,
    that’s him,
    our master.
    Come,
    kiss me.

  102. Comment by TmjUtah on 11/11 @ 8:31 pm #

    Just try to kill as few people possible through your communist ignorance, okay?

    I’m dropping words more often these days.

    Stress is an insidious thing, but an old friend just the same.

  103. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/11 @ 8:32 pm #

    Yeah. Most of my friends are insidious, too.

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  105. Comment by J."Trashman" Peden on 11/11 @ 8:40 pm #

    clinically happy

    About the same thing, knife. Both ways, “They’re Just Getting Ready For The Trashman”.

  106. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 8:41 pm #

    I’m still desperately trying to have anyone take anything I say seriously but maybe someday I will realize that I am a useless pretentious douche. That .45 looks tasty.

  107. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 8:49 pm #

    Celine on semiotics:

    “When you stop to examine the way in which words are formed and uttered, our sentences are hard put to survive the disaster of their slobbery origins. The mechanical effort of conversation is nastier and more complicated than defecation. The corolla of bloated flesh, the mouth, which screws itself into a whistle, which sucks in breath, contorts itself, discharges all manners of viscous sounds across a fetid barrier of decaying teeth – how revolting! Yet that is what we are adjured to sublimate into an ideal. It’s not easy. Since we are nothing but packages of tepid, half-rotted viscera, we shall always have trouble with sentiment. Being in love is nothing, it’s sticking together that’s difficult. Feces on the other hand makes no effort to endure or grow. On this score we are far more unfortunate than shit; our frenzy to persist in our present state – that’s the unconscionable torture.

    Unquestionably we worship nothing more than our smell.”

  108. Comment by J."Trashman" Peden on 11/11 @ 8:50 pm #

    That .45 looks tasty.

    See what I tole you: “They’re Just Getting Ready For The Trashman.”

  109. Comment by thor on 11/11 @ 8:55 pm #

    Celine on me:

    “thor est le douche!”

  110. Comment by J."Trashman" Peden on 11/11 @ 9:15 pm #

    Irma, also, has my sympathies – and Galba!

  111. Comment by JD on 11/11 @ 9:48 pm #

    Is anyone else of the thought that thor is actually alppuccino punking us?

  112. Comment by Lisa on 11/11 @ 10:29 pm #

    Yeah JD. LOL.

  113. Comment by meya on 11/11 @ 11:08 pm #

    Anonymous leaks say anonymous leaks are bad.

    But seriously isn’t the thing thats interesting here the fact that Dubya thinks he has something to negotiate over?

    “Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia”

    Who cares what he supports? Do they need this in this Congress?

    However I can agree that Obama’s people obviously need to plug up the leaks. That bit about gitmo wasn’t very good.

  114. Comment by David Blue on 11/11 @ 11:11 pm #

    Jeff Goldstein, please let go of this. You’re right, and Barack Obama is obviously a very bad man. But that’s why a lot of bad things are baked in the cake. There’s no point in spoiling your digestion about it now.

  115. Comment by Sdferr on 11/11 @ 11:16 pm #

    “Bush indicated at the meeting that he might support some aid and a broader economic stimulus package if Obama and congressional Democrats dropped their opposition to a free-trade agreement with Colombia”

    Did you read the text of the press gaggle Dan linked above? Wherein D. Perino said:

    But in no way did President Bush suggest that there was a quid pro quo when it came to Colombia free trade agreement or the other free trade agreements. They both shared their ideas as to what could be done to help improve the economy. President Bush has long stood for the free trade agreements. He believes that they can and should pass on their merits. We are a country that should be open to foreign investment and also we should try to continue to grow our export business, which has been one of the things — the bright spots in our economy, even during this downturn.

    Not that it matters to you, or should, but I care what Pres. Bush supports.

  116. Comment by EW on 11/12 @ 12:17 am #

    Obviously someone leaked something but i am not sure why this would really benefit Obama? The liberal illuminati have painted such a great picture of Obama he doesn’t really need to do any more Bush bashing to gain points with anyone does he? I am sure this was just some stupid person talking to some other stupid person, something stupid. Obama is smarter than than personally i think.

  117. Comment by Adriane on 11/12 @ 2:28 am #

    # 72. It has already begun…

    See Maureen Dowd, ‘The Tracks of Our Tears’, 08 Nov 09:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09dowd.html

  118. Comment by Rusty on 11/12 @ 6:04 am #

    #117
    That was hurlworthy.

  119. Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/12 @ 6:58 am #

    Should be The Color of Money.

  120. Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/12 @ 7:02 am #

    I wonder how many chic soul food restaurants they have in Grove Parc.

  121. Comment by JD on 11/12 @ 7:34 am #

    Who cares what he supports? If it is so unimportant, meya, why did Baracky court his support, and why is he pushing for same by leaking to the media?

    President Bush should tell Baracky to go fuck himself. Tell him if these things are so damn important, that he should be proud to put his signature on the legislation when he actually takes office in January. Until then, Baracky is a first-term Senator from Illinois.

  122. Comment by alppuccino on 11/12 @ 7:45 am #

    Obama is smarter than that personally i think.

    Well there’s your problem right there.

  123. Comment by JBean on 11/12 @ 7:59 am #

    Obama is smarter than than personally i think.

    I think you mean smart-mouthed. As in Nancy Reagan holds seances. Or Ryan Lizza reporting that the puppy-dog reporters following him around the 2004 campaign in Chicago would get a thrill down their leg when he snarked about that stupid Kerry — that guy who made him the keynote speaker superstar at his nominating convention. 

  124. Comment by MarkD on 11/12 @ 8:37 am #

    Is Kerry still around? I thought he went to Cambodia. It’s seared into my brain.

    OK, maybe not. Obama is right to dis Kerry. Kerry earned it.

  125. Comment by mcgruder on 11/12 @ 8:47 am #

    wow darleen,
    im just saying….wow.

    lisa, don’t worry about that one. we all take a broadside in the crowded bar sometimes.

  126. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/12 @ 8:58 am #

    lisa, don’t worry about that one. we all take a broadside in the crowded bar sometimes.

    And, sometimes, it’s deserved.

  127. Comment by MAJ (P) John on 11/12 @ 9:04 am #

    I really dislike the way this is all starting. Of course, right now I am still a bit tired and out of the loop. I guess I have four years to get current. That and reading this here PW. I kind of think of Jeff’s work as my morning Battle Update at home.

    123, 124 – why did you have to go and say “John Kerry”. Now I am going to have to try really hard not to swear in front of the cat. He really makes my blood boil. The longer I serve, the more I dislike him for what he did when he came home from his traumatic four months in the Nam. I now have three years deployed time, and stand to get another before I retire. I have managed not to consort with AQ or the Talib or HIG too.

    Gah.

  128. Comment by JD on 11/12 @ 9:07 am #

    Major soon to be Lieutenant Colonel John – Thanks, and glad to have you back amongst us.

  129. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/12 @ 9:08 am #

    Yeah, MAJ (P) John, but don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed all that raping and pillaging and killing of civilians and burning of villages.

  130. Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/12 @ 9:18 am #

    Yeah, MAJ (P) John, but don’t pretend you haven’t enjoyed all that raping and pillaging and killing of civilians and burning of villages.

    Gotta have hobbies!

  131. Comment by thor on 11/12 @ 9:28 am #

    Welcome home Maj (P) John. Thanks for your contribution in allowing me to freely behave like a complete and utter asshole, or, as I prefer to call it, my the Constitutionally protected pursuit of happiness.

  132. Comment by Lisa on 11/12 @ 9:32 am #

    Welcome home Maj (P) John. Thanks for your contribution in allowing me to freely behave like a complete and utter asshole, or, as I prefer to call it, my the Constitutionally protected pursuit of happiness.

    Me too. Thanks!

  133. Comment by Lisa on 11/12 @ 9:37 am #

    And, sometimes, it’s deserved.

    I appreciate your empathy, nerdboy.

  134. Comment by Pablo Abu Jamal on 11/12 @ 10:06 am #

    I have managed not to consort with AQ or the Talib or HIG too.

    Apparently, yer doing it wrong. That sort of thing gets you to the top of the short list for Secretary of State if the Oval Office is not in the cards.

  135. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 10:42 am #

    Having thor and Lisa thank Maj. John for anything makes my skin crawl. But then I have a low tolerance for creepy lying hypocrits.

  136. Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/12 @ 10:50 am #

    Sam, while I disagree with Lisa and thor on just about every conceivable subject(except jazz), they have consistantly been supportive of our military. They certainly don’t deserve what you just wrote.

  137. Comment by MAJ (P) John on 11/12 @ 11:06 am #

    135, now stop that. My oath means “ALL” get the service. I still think, on the whole, I am better for having been given the opportunity to serve. Danger, time away from loved ones aside.

    131. Amendment I to the Constitution – good stuff, eh? Utilize in all lawful manners you wish!

    132. see above.

  138. Comment by Cave Bear on 11/12 @ 11:38 am #

    Yeah, Sam. That was a bit over the top.

    Welcome home, Major, and thank you (and your cohorts).

  139. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 1:22 pm #

    Maj. John, I’m sorry I used you to make a point. I shouldn’t have done that, but hey, I’m an asshole.

    I fully understand that our armed forces protect and defend the rights of all Americans regardless of their political opinions. That was not my point. Military service is a gift to one’s fellow citizens, and gifts are not about being deserved. If this service was deserved, it would no longer be a gift put a payment.

    That being said, saying thank you to someone who gives you a gift you didn’t want and don’t like is still hypocricy in the name of civility.

  140. Comment by cranky-d on 11/12 @ 1:44 pm #

    Lisa has relatives who serve.

  141. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 1:48 pm #

    As do I. Irrelevant.

  142. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 1:57 pm #

    I’ll beat this dead horse no further except to say this.

    Given their individual opinions about American use of military force and Iraq in particular, thor and Lisa should not be using the phrase “Thank you” to any veteran.

    If they have any personal regard for any particualr veteran, they should say “I’m glad you made it back OK”. To do otherwise cheapens the gratitude of those who sincerely mean it.

    After all, this is the blog where words are supposed to matter, right.

  143. Comment by MAJ (P) John on 11/12 @ 2:27 pm #

    I dunno, on the bqalance, I think over the past 24 years the “gift” of military service may have favored me. What I have learned, experienced and gained has probably slightly outweighed the getting-shot-at/stuck-in-a-minefield/away from home, wife and kids/missing career opportunities.

    I think only because I have not received the same miserable treatment the Vietnam vets got. I can see how someone of that era might say the opposite of me.

  144. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 2:39 pm #

    Maj. John, no matter how you personally feel you may have gained by your service, it can never offset the risk you assumed for all of the rest of us. You bore the risk of injury and death (and the certainty of separation and privation) so the rest wouldn’t have to.

  145. Comment by pdbuttons on 11/12 @ 5:31 pm #

    i’m reading -imperial grunts’cool book-
    i like the guy who’s in mongolia
    this book should be the narrative
    thanks
    your a better man than i…[was gonna make gunga din joke]
    but i didn’t
    Maj.[P] John
    thank you

  146. Comment by Lisa on 11/12 @ 6:09 pm #

    Having thor and Lisa thank Maj. John for anything makes my skin crawl. But then I have a low tolerance for creepy lying hypocrits.

    Where the hell did that come from? Do I know you?

  147. Comment by Lisa on 11/12 @ 6:23 pm #

    I dunno, on the bqalance, I think over the past 24 years the “gift” of military service may have favored me. What I have learned, experienced and gained has probably slightly outweighed the getting-shot-at/stuck-in-a-minefield/away from home, wife and kids/missing career opportunities.

    My dad had a similar view. He served for a long time and fought in three wars. Before he died, we talked about how, on balance, he was glad that he stayed in the military and that he felt it had given far more to him than he had given. The military was a good place to be for a minority before it was good anywhere else. Plus, he loved languages and was fluent in six when he died. The military opened up the world to him in more ways than one.

  148. Comment by Sam Hall on 11/12 @ 10:36 pm #

    lisa,

    I may have you confused with some other left-winger who posts here. You all look alike to me.

    If so, I apologize.

  149. Comment by Lisa on 11/13 @ 10:19 am #

    LOL Mr. Hall. You are kind to apologize. I accept. I apologize for my shitty response. That was immature even for my low standards of maturity.

  150. Comment by Lisa on 11/13 @ 10:20 am #

    (We do all look alike….its those damned red armbands with the hammer and sickle.)

  151. Comment by donald on 11/13 @ 10:41 am #

    I agree with Sam. A line has been drawn, it’s not nice, and it’s wrong, but it’s been drawn.

  152. Comment by donald on 11/13 @ 10:43 am #

    OH, and I didn’t draw it.

  153. Comment by donald on 11/13 @ 10:44 am #

    The weak, always cower behind the brave when it matters, and that’s what these people do. I spit on their entire being.

  154. Comment by Lisa on 11/13 @ 11:01 am #

    What does that mean, donald? What do you propose doing with all of those folks on the other side of that line? You really have to think about what you are saying. You can’t be vaguely threatening but not think through what your next logical step would be. Either we are Americans with the explicit right to have an opinion divergent from your own – or our opinions are so atrocious that we are no longer fit to be citizens with the same rights as you. In the latter case – what do you propose? Segregation? Elimination? Re-education? If you are just talking out of your ass, then cool. I find that to be a most enjoyable pastime.

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