“‘I’m a little old-fashioned about these things,’ McCain added today with a laugh. ‘But I prefer to let the voters weigh in before presuming the outcome.’”
Whatever, “Maverick.” Must you always be such a posturing nitpicker?
Listen: History has a plan, old timer. I mean, for Chrissakes, read your Hegel and your Marx.
And O!, it so happens, is the choice of history! So how dare you stand athwart progressive determinism yelling “halt”!
Racist.
Comment by serr8d on 10/25 @ 8:54 pm #
I voted yesterday. Since I’m neither an ACORN Democrat, nor dead, I can only vote once.
I guess my work is done.
Comment by Patrick on 10/25 @ 8:54 pm #
There are dozens of reasons why I hope O! loses this election, but none more personally satisfying that shoving the smug presumption of victory down his throat.
Comment by Patrick on 10/25 @ 8:55 pm #
Oh, and the “Nittily Lions” are about to beat Ohio.
Comment by Sdferr on 10/25 @ 8:56 pm #
I got a kick out of the merry post-article headline echo:
As though the LATimes actually expects to be around another day or two. Shoot, can’t they just get on with it and die already, as the saying goes?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/25 @ 8:58 pm #
RACIST!!!
and I thought future time orientation was racist. someone best tell O!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/25 @ 9:03 pm #
The main joy I will get out of an O! loss is watching the election returns come in and the faces of the “reporters” becoming more and more downcast. That and the coming riots we keep hearing about. I need a new 42 inch Vizio.
Comment by Pablo on 10/25 @ 9:04 pm #
In 19fucking33, 19 fucking elections ago. Bob Drogan is a halfwit and/or in the tank. Pardon me if I don’t read any further.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/25 @ 9:07 pm #
ha, I missed that, Pablo.
Comment by J. Peden on 10/25 @ 9:09 pm #
And O!, is so happens, is the choice of history! So how dare you stand athwart progressive determinism yelling “haltâ€Â!
“Well, I guess I’m just determined to do it. It’s not my fault!“
Comment by McGehee on 10/25 @ 9:14 pm #
Funny thing about history. It likes to make up its own mind.
It’s mavericky that way. Which, you might think that would make it lean toward McCain but, well, we just won’t know until history decides.
It’s the decider.
Comment by J. Peden on 10/25 @ 9:23 pm #
“Plus, my friends, having to watch Commies make out with Islamos is not only cruel and unusual, it’s torture!”
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Comment by Bob Reed on 10/25 @ 9:41 pm #
B-But, doesn’t he watch “Hardball” with Chris Tingle…?
Hasn’t he got the message that the election is over! yet…?
It figures that he’d do something Mavericky like not fold when instructed to…By his betters!
I mean, insinuating that O! is presumptuous or sumpin’…Why that’s just downright RAAAAAAACIST!…
*yawn*
But then again, these days, so is anything that doesn’t go along with the preferred narrative, that is, The Story of O!…
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/25 @ 9:43 pm #
In 19fucking33, 19 fucking elections ago.
Heh.
Tangentially related, and I mentioned sort before, but the dirty little secret with regards to Biden’s “they’re going to test Obama” slip — the campaigns are being briefed by the WH intell/security transition right now and Biden and Obama KNOW everything they are being briefed on is straight up.
So that little admission just sort of illustrates what a bunch of lying sacks of shit the Democrats are when it comes to our national security — they say Bush lies and hypes threats because they are fear mongers remember?
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/25 @ 9:45 pm #
I seem to recall that because of the Gore/Florida thing that Clinton wouldn’t do the normal transition stuff till after the recounts. It caused the Bush team to have quite a mess to deal with after the inaugural. That is besides the mess left at the White House.
Comment by McGehee on 10/25 @ 9:52 pm #
I’m pretty sure if the O! team moves into the White House they won’t find any keys missing from their keyboards.
Although the O keys might all be replaced with zeroes…
Comment by JWebb on 10/25 @ 10:31 pm #
Post election, prepare to see The One’s swaddling clothes auctioned by Southebys by his campaing manger.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 10/25 @ 10:38 pm #
Inauguration? I thought O! was to be born on a silvery cloud to the White House as a host of angels and archangels praised him on high.
Comment by Bilby on 10/26 @ 12:41 am #
The post from the LA Times blog has been edited. The reference to the moving up of the inauguration to January 20th is gone. I guess that was just too embarrassing to leave in there.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 12:51 am #
Hella funny – this comment on the LA Times blog
This whole Joe the Plumber schtick is so far out of context. Obama is so very well spoken yet so many don’t understand Obamanomic’s. He said “spread the wealth” but it’s obvious he means ” to seed the wealth”
by BasilIp or something.
Comment by Bilby on 10/26 @ 1:28 am #
I found this article coauthored by Bob Drogin pretty interesting and timely. From April 18:
The evidence linking Obama, who was born in 1961, to the two former militants, now in their 60s, remained thin, despite the appearance of a slickly produced, anonymously issued five-minute video titled “Obama’s Terrorist Connections†on YouTube that sought to exploit the alleged tie.
Here’s the youtube video that’s referenced.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 1:36 am #
Bilby
I think the respectable press reluctance to see any problem regarding Ayers stems from the fact they HAVE had or would love to have Ayers over for their next dinner party.
Comment by TBinSTL on 10/26 @ 1:50 am #
Do you read Sutter Cane?
Comment by marc page on 10/26 @ 4:48 am #
Vote early, vote often.
Comment by justice prevails on 10/26 @ 5:06 am #
NOTE:
The foregoing “history theme” through out this post
Behold, the pattern of record that is history
Jimmy Carter was ahead of Ronald Reagan
in the national poles- 1980
AL Gore was ahead of George W. Bush
in the national poles- 2000
John Kerry was ahead of George W. Bush
in the national poles- 2004
Can I get a witness,
If Obama is so popular the national poles, the poles do not and have not shown any real evidence of Obamas so called overwhelming support. The current erroneous national pole numbers subterfuge the mass news media is attempting to play off, is below amateur overstating of this sudden Obama nation wide lead.
Come on
If Obama was as popular as MSNBC and CNN wishes he was,
McCain would be trailing in the low end of 20 or 30% to Obamas 70 to 80%
Don’t count Johnny out yet, and
By the way
What is wrong with you America ?
How do you rationalize a vote for a guy with absolutely no political policy or real senate or executive experience what so ever to even be thinking about being president, let alone running to be president?
If politics was a Burger King
Obama would be working fries,
Sorry,
I can not and I do not buy into the Obama auditory superior as a single and only presidential qualification
“Qualified–Qualifications”
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/26 @ 5:56 am #
This, I submit, is why the Democrats pushed for the “early voting” laws. To get their voters votes locked down before they might decide to change their minds in the last days of the election. It also makes getting out the vote fraud less complicated. Much more time to shuttle your herd of voters around.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/26 @ 7:13 am #
If politics was a Burger King
Obama would be working fries
I still see M’chelle more as like assistant manager though. Or drive-thru. I’ll have to give this some thought.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/26 @ 7:13 am #
bitch cut my hours and I’m not on register all week
Comment by Roland THTG on 10/26 @ 8:04 am #
Wow.
Jerry Lewis is still alive?
Who knew?
Comment by Carin on 10/26 @ 8:08 am #
When I was in college, I got a job at Wendy’s. Since I was a student (and most of the employees were “townies”) I was put on the register right from the start. I sucked at it, and the townies working fries and grill hated me.
I’m sure this little parable somehow fits.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 10/26 @ 8:10 am #
Well, if the Republicans hadn’t Stolen The Election, both of those guys would have ended up winning. CheatercheatercheatercheaterCHEATERS!!!!11!!
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 8:34 am #
So, if McCain is in good position to win, how much money do you yahoos have in his intrade contract? Frankly, I’d put your entire retirement fund in there if I were you.
Comment by Rusty on 10/26 @ 8:47 am #
#32
I find your ideas intriguing. How can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 8:51 am #
We can’t put our retirement portfolios into Intrade b/c Baracky needs them for the less fortunate and we’re good citizens.
You, OTOH, have been responsible for approx. 65% of trolling here, so I’m proposing that your remark be attributed to a more deserving, less active troll.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 8:53 am #
hoot’s remark is now meya’s
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 9:08 am #
That Barakopolis reminded me of that whole “The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce” thing. Mussolini = tragic, Obama = farce.
The level of interference in day-to-day life that Obama’s going to try to ram down people’s throats will be his undoing, if not to thwart him from being elected in the first place, definitely from getting a second term. Michelle O’s “Barack won’t let you go back to your uninformed lives” (even though she never really explained what we were all “uninformed” about. As an “information worker”, I’m curious what she thinks I need to know to do my job, which is really my primary concern, since that’s how I get paid, that I don’t know already or can easily find out without Obama’s help), if actually “implemented”, will drive people nuts, with few exceptions. With the likely close margin of the election this year, the people steamrolled by an intrusive Obama administration could easily be the margin of victory in the midterms and 2012.
The bottom line is that Americans like their “hope and change” to be rhetorical, not to require them to fill out forms detailing their carbon footprint for the local Office of Carbon Footprint Administration. The business of America is business, not bureaucracy.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 9:12 am #
So he’s both a fascist and a communist. Amazing. He must be the smartest man in the world to be at both ends of the political spectrum while still posing as a centrist. We should be so lucky to have him as president.
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/26 @ 9:22 am #
geoffb,
You’ve hit the nail on the head. Early voting came about precisely to aid in both the fraudulent balloting as well as in rounding up those who would not normally take part in the process, and bribe them to vote for the Democrat candidate…
It’s not dissimilar to the whiskey parties that were popular in the early 1800’s, and is a descendant of the Van Burenite populism; among the first in the nation to lean on the votes of the uneducated and uninformed, but enfranchised, voters as a wave to ride into power on…
And it’s all done in the name of letting folks take part in their democracy, generally spoken with the smug indignation of those who are knowingly gaming the system. I’m all in favor of those interested and informed exercising their right to vote; but there is something that seems wrong about folks that can’t tell you how many states there are in our nation, who the current Vice President is, how many Senators each state has, or other basic facts about our republic-and are indifferent to this ignorance!
It’s a fact that at the time of the American revolution, 1/2 the population was apathetic to the political cause. And, with a few exceptions, the turnout in the modern electorate is approximately the same. Early voting does indeed make it easier to get the great unwashed to the polls; but are thoughtless and uninformed opinions constructive in our representative democracy? I contend that it simply empowers the side that is more willing to enhgage in chicanery, unethical tactics, and a “by any means necessary” mentality. If it were held, on a single day, as our constitution specifies at the time it specifies, then more likely only those motivated by a passion for the issues would take the time to vote…
And before any accuse me of elitism, I repeat that you consider the effect that ignorant, uninformed, or single issue voters have on our representative democracy…
Or perhaps a different thought experiment; if the situation were reversed, and it was the eeeeeevil RethugliKKKans herding homeless folks, junkies, and felons to the polls to vote for their guy, would you still be as committed to voter enfranchisement..?
Personally, I think that voters should have to pass a civics or issue test before being allowed to vote…
Stay strong everyone,
Don’t let the slanted polls get you down,
Make sure to get out and vote,
Best Wishes…
Comment by Pablo on 10/26 @ 9:23 am #
I’ve got as much on McCain as I had on Bush in ‘04. You? What do you have riding on The One?
Comment by Bob Reed on 10/26 @ 9:25 am #
hoot,
Fascists and communists are both evolutions of socialism…
Do your homework, please, before you make such erroneous statements.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 9:27 am #
I note that the O camp is particularly grouchy these days. You’d think for people so assured of their place in the White House that they are figuring to shoo GW, et al, out before the inauguration they might be laughing off McCain’s rally comments.
I mean, the MSM is ignorning O’s credit card fraud, ACORN fraud and the long personal ties to Ayers and Rashid Khalidi. Why is O still worried when he is outright cheating himself into the White House?
Comment by Dash Rendar on 10/26 @ 9:28 am #
“So he’s both a fascist and a communist. Amazing. He must be the smartest man in the world to be at both ends of the political spectrum”
Ok, I couldn’t hold it in..BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Both ends of the political spectrum.. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Good god hoot, the only difference between a communist and a fascist is “inter.” Further explanation will be provided if needed.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 9:30 am #
hoot
fascists and communists are both authoritarian collectivists who eschew individual rights.
it isnt a straight line but more of a circle where the far right and the far left are kissing cousins.
Anarcho-syndicalists are there, too.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 9:32 am #
>>So he’s both a fascist and a communist
First, meya, they’re more related as phenomena than you likely think. He’ll do a national version of socialism, sure, but he’s already made a bid for international Dear Leader when he did his global tour, so communist isn’t really too much a stretch – esp. considering his ideological compadres.
Second, its just heartening to see you applauding the arrival of either.
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 9:34 am #
Fascism is communism applied in countries further along in the stages of political evolution, e.g. Italy versus Russia in the early 20th century.
Cocksure, aggressively ignorant of political ideology and drunk is no way to go through life, hoot. OK, I’m guessing on that last one, but your comments totally nail you on the first two.
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 9:41 am #
So he’s both a fascist and a communist. Amazing. He must be the smartest man in the world to be at both ends of the political spectrum while still posing as a centrist.
But then again, it doesn’t seem too difficult for you to have your head up your ass, eh what, hoot.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 10/26 @ 9:42 am #
I blame the schools.
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 9:52 am #
AIDS just ain’t that far from Syphilis, either.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 9:59 am #
>>I blame the schools.
Yeah. But we should pity more than hate. Its a disease they’ve been taught and suffer from, after all. Some hope from a 17yo
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 10:06 am #
Semi,
Why should fraud be a good reason to go to Publicly Financed Campaigns? I’d think it is a better reason to force disclosure of ALL campaign contributions, not just those over $200. Further, while I’m all for removing restrictions on dollar amounts, we don’t have that. The point is, if the rules are as they are, let’s have both campaigns play by the rules, not one focused on collecting fraudulent contributions.
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 10:09 am #
The main thing which is “killing” me is just how stupid these widdle barefoot Progressive footsoldiers are. I guess being only the disposable means is all the meaning they can ever have.
If it’s not intentional, it might as well be. But, me, I’d much prefer Shmoos.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:14 am #
so? why do you insist on arguing with the cartoons in your head in public?
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 10:17 am #
Ex-Army.
Again, I have no problem with people or groups contributing money to campaigns. As far as I’m concerned, that’s political speech, and should be protected. And I find the limits on contributions to be against the spirit of the 1st Amendment. Just make sure there is full disclosure.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:20 am #
oooookay. sweet, sweet, crazy it is.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:20 am #
cleo, you ignorant slut
I do NOT want public financing. I want transparency.
Now we know why the Obama camp REFUSES to open their books on $200 and below contributions. They are laundering money through that venue.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:23 am #
how is that? you can show that those with more money always win elections?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:23 am #
Holy shit. Are you idiots seriously claiming fascism and communism are equivalent? Seriously? And adding “BWAHAHAHA”? Amazing. Fucking. Amazing. I love this website. Delusion on parade! No argument or thought is too absurd in the war against imaginary leftists.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:25 am #
or….
PHIL GRAHAM!!!!
hee
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:25 am #
Oh, and Darleen believes there is money laundering afoot in Barack’s campaign. To what end, sweetie? Where is the money REALLY coming from? Too precious.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:25 am #
cleo
Money = property = owner is determinate of how to use/dispose of it
Who are you to tell an individual whether they get to buy a dinner or buy a political ad?
No money should be coming from corporations or unions. But individuals shouldn’t be restricted from using their own property.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:26 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/26 @ 10:00 am #
Do you spika de Inglese?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:26 am #
as usual though. no argument. just insult.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:26 am #
Maggie, I noticed you misplaced a comma once. A COMMA!
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:27 am #
A COMMA I TELL YOU!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 10:27 am #
Why allow fraudulent donations, hoot?
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 10:29 am #
Semi, it is a fact of life that in any other endeavor, people with more money have the ability to reach a larger audience. That doesn’t make their speech more valid. Just more widespread. Why then, if I decide that focusing my resources is a good expenditure, should a wholly arbitrary dollar limit be imposed on me? Or if I should decide to band together with fellow citizens, why can’t we pool our resources to spread our message?
Hoot, one presumes you are laughing in derision based on the fight between Russia and Germany in WWII. I think if you took a close look at the operation of the state, in either case you would find more alike than different in them. The fact that two competing nations fought may have more to do with historical antagonisms than competing ideologies.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:30 am #
“Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:25 am #
Oh, and Darleen believes there is money laundering afoot in Barack’s campaign. To what end, sweetie? Where is the money REALLY coming from?”
If we knew where it was REALLY coming from, it wouldn’t be fraudulant, you microcephalic moron.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:30 am #
Let’s see
I have $10,000 I want to give Obamessiah but I’m limited to $2300. And I have 5 friends in the same boat.
We pool our $50,000 … and through the miracle of Obama’s deliberately disabled security features, we just start plunking in $199 at a time, changing the names and addresses for the one or two credit cards we purchased just to do so.
And none of us are American citizens. We just think the World must be allowed to vote on the next American President.
It won’t be found out because Obama refuses to disclose all amounts under $200.
Comment by Pablo on 10/26 @ 10:30 am #
Sweet Jesus, ‘cleo, could you be any more of an idiot or are we seeing the pinnacle of your disabilities today?
http://tinyurl.com/6jv4hw
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:30 am #
Fraudulent donations, eh? Yes. Yes of course. Tell us, though – where is the money REALLY coming from? I want to hear about you fanciful list of conspirators who are trying to get Obama elected. Soros. “foreign hedge fund managers”. Mussolini. Mao. Please, list them.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:32 am #
Obama refuses transparency.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 10:33 am #
Fascism and communism are different in the sense that one sent undesirables to work camps while the other sent them to re-education camps.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:34 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/26 @ 10:31 am #
Do you speak English?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:35 am #
Here’s how it works, people. The vaguely rational and intelligent here make a decent point – there are similarities between fascism and communism for example – but then a complete nutter pops up their head and reveals just how utterly stupid they are by taking the argument to its logical conclusion – “the only difference between a communist and a fascist is “inter”". See how that happened? It’s a shame, really. But entertaining.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:35 am #
cleo @ 77
Nice channeling of Prof. Irwin Corey.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:35 am #
“one sent undesirables to work camps while the other sent them to re-education camps.”
there ya go. keep em coming.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:37 am #
“Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:35 am #
Here’s how it works, people. The vaguely rational and intelligent here make a decent point – there are similarities between fascism and communism for example -…”
You don’t know much, do you, hoot?
Comment by John Lynch on 10/26 @ 10:39 am #
A great test is underway. Within our recent history we have witnessed the rising of standards of living due to free enterprise. We have seen both victory and defeat of our armies in foreign entanglements. The rise might be attributed to the energies of people empowered to make their own ways, enabled by property rights, rule of law and self interest. The victories might arise from the will of such people turning to battle and bringing more energy than can our opponents. The defeat may come from the vagaries of opinion which come from such a people.
Now, two hundred thirty-two years after declaring, we determine another change. Whichever way it goes does this experiment end here? If we turn towards overweening popularism, fairness in its pejorative post-modern use, and penalty for personal success and away from personal responsibility, does the enterprise cease?
Our institutions stand tainted, perhaps fatally. Our identity is divided to existential levels. For both, nothing new. From the building of the institutions to now, they have been works in progress. Our identity has always been fragmented and divisive.
Odd that people living now don’t acknowledge the social benefits of capitalism; the abilities of our system to overcome systems based on fascism, socialism and dictatorships; the fractious nature of decision-making.
Vote Change! To what? Another eight years! Of what?
Do people have a clue?
. . . Nevermind.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 10:40 am #
If you are thinking of free speech as a disqualifier, you might want to think about the concept of free speech as a leveling of the playing field, unless you think people with more money should have more free speech.
So it should be harder for a single rich person to buy political influence than a collective of poor folks?
Holy shit. Are you idiots seriously claiming fascism and communism are equivalent? Seriously?
Do you know what Nazi is short for, hoot?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:41 am #
I know reactionary imbeciles who believe what they read on wingtard websites, that’s for sure.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:41 am #
Both communism and fascism are reactionary in the extreme, one reducing people to a tribe via class, the other reducing people to a tribe via race.
And, yes, hoot, despite the depths of your ignorance, both are leftist ideologies.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:43 am #
“The Nazi Party, officially: National Socialist German Workers’ Party, (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).
Notice the Socialist part, hoot, you retarded marmoset.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:45 am #
Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself.
Comment by Pablo on 10/26 @ 10:46 am #
Being one yourself, that’s no surprise.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:46 am #
“Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:41 am #
I know reactionary imbeciles…”
The only reactionaries around here are leftists.
You, for example, hoot.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:46 am #
That was for the Communism = Fascism stupid shits, btw.
Comment by Pablo on 10/26 @ 10:46 am #
Listen to hoot, ‘cleo. He actually got that one right.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:47 am #
Tell me more about the conspiracies to get Obama elected and the fascism/communism we will suffer! Which are the same! Learn me!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:47 am #
“Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 10:45 am #
Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself.”
Yes, yess you are.
I’d be ashamed to show my face after displaying such depths of ignorance.
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 10:49 am #
The fundamental similarity of both communism and fascism is that, like all statist systems, individual liberty is sacrificed to the needs or wants of the state. Any further analysis is really debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I will note, however, that virtually all of these governments not only promised, but genuinely sought a utopia. And of course, the leaders of them knew, just knew, they were the ones to bring it about. But the damn little people kept screwing it up, forcing the government to place ever greater restrictions on the little people.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:51 am #
“”Fascism” is a term that was originally coined by the Italian dictator Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after World War I. Lenin in Russia made somewhat different adaptations of Marxism to the conditions in Russia during the same period and his adaptations came to be called Marxism/Leninism. Mussolini stayed closer to Marx in that he felt that Italy had to go through a capitalist stage before it could reach socialism whereas Lenin attempted to push Russia straight from semi-feudalism into socialism. Mussolini’s principal modification of Marxism was his rejection of the notion of class war, something that put him decisively at odds with Lenin’s “Reds”.”
-John Ray
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:51 am #
Capitalism is the only economic system compatible with individual human rights.
Fascism/communism/anarcho-syndicalism/all collectivist ideologies are all systems with the underlying ideology of some people are born to be furniture or tools of “real” humans.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:52 am #
“Mussolini’s own summary of the Fascist philosophy: “Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato” (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)”
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 10:54 am #
Reaganish notion ‘leave business alone and it will do the right thing’
does it hurt to lie that much, cleo?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:55 am #
“The Nazis did not, as their foreign admirers contend, enforce price control within a market economy. With them price control was only one device within the frame of an all-around system of central planning. In the Nazi economy there was no question of private initiative and free enterprise. All production activities were directed by the Reichswirtschaftsministerium. No enterprise was free to deviate in the conduct of its operations from the orders issued by the government. Price control was only a device in the complex of innumerable decrees and orders regulating the minutest details of every business activity and precisely fixing every individual’s tasks on the one hand and his income and standard of living on the other.
What made it difficult for many people to grasp the very nature of the Nazi economic system was the fact that the Nazis did not expropriate the entrepreneurs and capitalists openly and that they did not adopt the principle of income equality which the Bolshevists espoused in the first years of Soviet rule and discarded only later. Yet the Nazis removed the bourgeois completely from control. Those entrepreneurs who were neither Jewish nor suspect of liberal and pacifist leanings retained their positions in the economic structure. But they were virtually merely salaried civil servants bound to comply unconditionally with the orders of their superiors, the bureaucrats of the Reich and the Nazi party.”
-Ludwing von Mises
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 10:56 am #
Well, We’ve heard of ‘trickle-down’ and have had nearly three decades to measure it’s success.
Actually we have had a little over two centuries. What would life be like in America if government had confiscated all profits and used them to buy votes from the nonproductive from the beginning? Do you think any of us would have a standard of living comparable to the average “poor” person in this country today?
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 10:57 am #
Hint to hoot: “winning” won’t cure what you’ve got. Seek medical attention, stat. It’s your only [slim] chance. Be sure to bring all your meds and nat. supplements with you.
– no charge
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:57 am #
“Comment by Semanticleo on 10/26 @ 10:55 am #
Freedom is not absolute.”
Enjoy your slave collar, seman.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 10:58 am #
You can’t behave the way you want when it impinges on the rights of others.
Unless its for their own good.
You left that part out.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 10:58 am #
Well, if you have patience to slough through this hateful fascist’s video, he’ll ’splain to you what Nazism is all about and how it’s just a poor, misunderstood way of uniting the peops behind Race and opposing the Joo capitalists.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 10:59 am #
“Unless its for their own good.”
Or for The Childrenâ„¢.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 10/26 @ 11:02 am #
Relax people. All O! wants to do is immanentize the eschaton.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:02 am #
note how cleo first quotes “individual liberty” then immediately changes it to “freedom”.
We are back to language again and how we can be using the same words but mean entirely different things.
cleo and ilk are most concerned at controlling individuals through the unrestrained power of The State… “living constitution” and all. Freedom for such people is a guaranteed bowl of soup and a warm box. Hoot is especially looking forward to Obama sending him a check for not working..the freedom from self-responsibility.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 11:03 am #
“Unless you prize personal freedoms above the good of society as a whole”
Scratch a lefty, find the fascist gibbering underneath.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:03 am #
Isn’t it time we started treating White Collar crime with the same degree of vendetta we employ for street crime?
Like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:04 am #
When a serial killer is caught, it requires a limitation of personal rights.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about, do you? Or is such a mauling of language deliberate?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:04 am #
Darleen, Darleen, Darleen… I work my sweet. I assume you don’t or will never use Medicare money?
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:04 am #
When a serial killer is caught, it requires a limitation of personal rights.
No it requires punishment of a fucking murderer. No limitations on anyone else are justified.
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 11:05 am #
Freedom is not absolute. You can’t behave the way you want when it impinges on the rights of others. You can’t flap your wings and fly like a bird…so even individual freedom is limited.- Cleo
You’ll get no argument there from me. I had initially intended to write about that. But there is a difference. In a statist system, the population exists to serve the government.
In our democratic republic, the government exists to serve the population. No government would be anarchy. That’s just a fancy way of saying “no civilization.” I don’t think any of us are arguing for that. I think I speak for the majority here, though, when I contend that our government has already intruded into the lives of individuals to an extent greater than needed or wanted, and that the election of Obama would both increase and accelerate that trend. I’m not fool enough to believe that electing McCain would arrest or reverse that, but perhaps it would slow it down.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:06 am #
I work
Sure you do.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 10/26 @ 11:06 am #
“Like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?”
Verboten until after Nov 4th.
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 11:07 am #
Hoot clearly relies on the insecurities of those he derides in order to win arguments because I haven’t seen a single substantive analysis from him showing the yawning chasm he seems to believe exists between fascism and communism (having read communist newspapers for years in graduate school, I know that communists think fascism is intrinsically different from communism, but third-party sources of analysis tend to disagree). That method of argumentation’s gonna be a tough sell here, from what I see.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:08 am #
A sea-change must occur in this country, but it is hard to imagine how anything good will happen until we get private money out of campaigns……………
It is hard for me to imagine how anything good will happen when over have the fucking population think their is any money other than private.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:09 am #
not so hard akshually. transparency.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:10 am #
until we get private money out of campaigns……………
cleo misses the point that all “public money” IS PRIVATE MONEY…it just passes from the hand of the taxpayer into the government first.
Government as watchdogs over campaigns..enforcing transparency, publishing easily accessible information on contributions and expenditures. That’s it.
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 11:13 am #
A sea-change must occur in this country, but it is hard to imagine how anything good will happen until we get private money out of campaigns……………
I fail to see how giving government control of money will to anything but give government control of candidates. That isn’t the sea change you are looking for.
Further, it is a bit of a non-sequiter, in that the problem isn’t private money, but government business in the private market (see Fannie/Freddie). FF skewed the market so badly that you can hardly call it capitalism.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:14 am #
Oh I do work, Darleen. You retired? Care to answer my question about Medicare? You rail against government handouts. Surely you don’t take any.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 11:15 am #
Now we know why the Obama camp REFUSES to open their books on $200 and below contributions. They are laundering money through that venue.—
and having the balls to file an FEC compliant on McCains refunded donors who exceeded limits based on that searchable transparency and which McCian can no longer accept donations.
Chutzpah doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 11:15 am #
cleo at 128, that’s a pretty silly argument. I know you are capable of better.
We’ve seen repeated throughout history the effects of giving government more power. It is detrimental to individuals and their liberty. So why would I vote for the candidate who expressly desires that?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 11:15 am #
filing that FEC complaint tomorrow, BTW
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:19 am #
“Hoot clearly relies on the insecurities of those he derides in order to win arguments because I haven’t seen a single substantive analysis from him showing the yawning chasm he seems to believe exists between fascism and communism (having read communist newspapers for years in graduate school, I know that communists think fascism is intrinsically different from communism, but third-party sources of analysis tend to disagree). That method of argumentation’s gonna be a tough sell here, from what I see.”
Yeah, cause this place is all about intelligent, good faith exploration of opposing views. Fuck off with that concern troll bullshit. This place is a circle jerk for the last vestiges of the fringe right. Pretending otherwise makes you look silly.
Comment by XBradTC on 10/26 @ 11:20 am #
Gotta run. For my fellow tards, I’ll just note that cleo has been very polite with me. Perhaps we need not flame from the first post. Hard to convert someone when you are bashing them. Just ask those bitter clingers in PA.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:21 am #
projection
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:21 am #
YES! We know they are laundering money through their donations! That’s the kind of crazy shit I’m talking about baby! Tell me, where do you believe this money is coming from Topsecretk9? Oh please!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:22 am #
eh, there’s a few years of history.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:22 am #
NO PUNCTUATION, MAGGIE! HAHAHA!
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:24 am #
OR CAPS!!!!
heh
so, just because there are fraudulent donations being made, doesn’t mean that money is being laundered, but, um, we best not investigate where that money is coming from. we should just know
okay.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:31 am #
hoot if you think Medicare is a government handout then you are truly part of the fascist problem.
No wonder Obama is going to raise taxes through the back door of taking the cap off Social Security. He reveals it as not a pension people pay their own money into, just another leftist scheme to declare private money as “public” then to do what hoot is attempting..to make everyone as taking a “government handout” in order to shut up the dissenters.
Guess what, hoots, I’m a government union employee. I don’t pay into SocSec (though I have some payments in when I worked in the private sector) but I still pay my Medicare premiums.
But I’ll never be able to rely on them… more and more doctors are refusing to take medicare patients. I don’t blame ‘em.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:36 am #
When people find their lives stalemated, some have risen from the inertia by changing a habit. Sounds silly, but it works.
I know what you mean, when I started taking responsibility for my own actions and stop blaming others for my failures my life turned around completely.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 11:37 am #
We’ve heard of ‘trickle-down’ and have had nearly three decades to measure it’s success.
Let’s see — cheap personal computers, global network which puts the answer to almost any question that has an answer at my fingertips, cars that are vastly more reliable and economical than the ones we had when Reagan took office, highest GDP per capita among diverse economies (the countries with higher GDPs tend to be economic monocultures, such as Luxembourg (banking) and Norway (oil)), military supremacy, absolute domination of intellectual property-based segments, such as books, music, and film.
Yep, it’s been a real tragedy!
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 11:38 am #
Yeah, cause this place is all about intelligent, good faith exploration of opposing views. Fuck off with that concern troll bullshit. This place is a circle jerk for the last vestiges of the fringe right. Pretending otherwise makes you look silly.
I’m not a concern troll. You’re free to spout invective till the cows come home. I think you’re a fucking retard who wouldn’t know ideological analysis if it bit you in your fucking stupid ass. If you want to be angry at people who are clearly better-educated than you on the underlying structures and objectives of both fascism and communism, that’s fine, but to then state that your ignorance is somehow superior wisdom, rather than a reliance on a superficial line of partisan analysis designed to shield communists and their sympathizers from the obvious moral opprobrium they deserve as much as their totalitarian counterparts on the fascist side is the height of anti-intellectualism and demonstrably false. Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, you stupid fucking historical illiterate? Did you even read the historical testimony of various fascists that was presented above, you brain-dead douchebag?
That enough anti-concern troll-ism for ya?
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:38 am #
Tell me, where do you believe this money is coming from Topsecretk9? Oh please!
There is considerable evidence that Evil Corporations and Rich Fat Cats are channeling money illegally through their employees, hoot. Doesn’t it disturb you that the Great Satan Capitalists may be corrupting the anointed one so?
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 11:39 am #
Condition Red, hoot! You are only wasting precious time here, as well as showing the severity of your disease – your very unstable, tenuous state! Dial 911, now!
For example, hoot, lead poisoning must be ruled out immmediately, mercury, arsenic, ephedra, laetrile, thiamine deficiency, Huntington’s, etc., etc., etc.. I’m serious!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 11:39 am #
We know they are laundering money through their donations!
Why did they intentionally turn off the AVS system, hooters?
That comes standard with even the most crappy shopping cart software you’ll get with a $5.00/month hosting plan.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:43 am #
teachable moment for hoot
What is laundering money? It is setting up entities (fraudulent or token) by which one funnels money in order to hide the identity of the giver.
O! deliberately disabled security measures on the credit card donations. O! refuses transparency on any contribution under $200.
This hides the identity of people who can now give in any amount as long as they do it in increments under $200 and change names and addresses at will.
Classic laundering.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:46 am #
um…
Comment by J. Peden on 10/26 @ 11:48 am #
Ftr, according to my R.N. daughter who had to deal with insurance issues quite a bit, if you qualify by age, it’s almost impossible to not use Medicare – unless you can find an M.D. or hopital that takes no Medicare funds whatsoever.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:48 am #
cleo
I have a BSIT and I’m a supervisor of non-sworn staff at law-enforcement related county facility.
I work in a legitimate area of government.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:51 am #
how bout we just, you know, hold them responsible for their own actions? instead of “controlling them” whatever that means.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 11:53 am #
J Pedren
There are “cash only” medical clinics opening up.
If I could, I would carry only a catastrophic med insurance and pay out of pocket for the routine stuff. That’s the way healthcare SHOULD be headed, not the nationalization crap Obama is pushing
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 11:57 am #
How do we hold serial killers ‘responsible’?
I prefer execution.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 11:57 am #
why are you stuck on serial killers? you do realize most of us are talking about he role of government in your average law abiding citizen’s life, don’t you?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:01 pm #
vini – show me where I claimed there were no similarities between communism and fascism then you can launch into your deeply stupid litany of ahistorical conspiracy theories. Until then, please shut the fuck up.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:05 pm #
Frankly, I’m glad Obama is protecting those who donated. There are vile and hateful countertop peeping toms such as yourself out there ready to launch an “investigation” into anti-American acts. Scary.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:07 pm #
hmmmmmmm
nope, nothing to see here.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:08 pm #
so, no argument, then cleo?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:08 pm #
Frankly, I’m glad Obama is protecting those who donated.
Doesn’t answer the question of why he turned off the AVS system, hooters.
Going to answer?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 12:09 pm #
YES! We know they are laundering money through their donations! That’s the kind of crazy shit I’m talking about baby! Tell me, where do you believe this money is coming from Topsecretk9? Oh please!
How about Obama’s opens up his $200 or less donor database and let’s see? What’s he got to hide?
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:11 pm #
hoot is projecting again in his attempt to excuse O! money laundering
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:11 pm #
it’s not that he’s got anything to hide. it’s just that, you know, us crazed right wingers might go beat up Good Will.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:11 pm #
Love the way they refer to Matzzie’s gang of thugs as “outside left-wing group”.
Yes, just an independent organization. No connection with the Democratic Party whatsoever. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/26 @ 12:12 pm #
or Doodad Pro.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:13 pm #
#165 cleo as Prof Irwin Corey
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:13 pm #
HITLER!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:14 pm #
Also Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and John Galt.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:15 pm #
it would be bad for us to go after him, I think.
;D
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:15 pm #
SBP – I think I’ve noted this before but here it goes again – the rantings of wingtardia are not evidence of fraud. Those who believe otherwise are part of the problem. See Proteinwisdom.com for evidence.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:16 pm #
How’s that lawsuit over Obama’s birth certificate going?
Comment by Dash Rendar on 10/26 @ 12:17 pm #
OT. Heh, I found what passes for a deep thought amongst the illuminati of the left vis-a-vis keeping those proles from the country in their place:
“If the United States – if the entire world – is rapidly urbanizing, then it would seem like literally the last thing we need in the White House, in an era of collapsing bridges and levees, is someone whose idea of public infrastructure is a dirt road.”
Here
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 12:18 pm #
Hoot,
show me where I claimed there were no similarities between communism and fascism then you can launch into your deeply stupid litany of ahistorical conspiracy theories. Until then, please shut the fuck up.
I guess it depends on the meaning of “both ends of the political spectrum”, right fuckhead?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 9:12 am # So he’s both a fascist and a communist. Amazing. He must be the smartest man in the world to be at both ends of the political spectrum while still posing as a centrist.
By my defintion, “both ends of the political spectrum” would juxtapose open societies and totalitarian societies. Are you trying to say that communism leads to an open society? I suspect you don’t really know what the fuck you’re trying to say except that Obama is awesome. Since you seem to be implying that whichever of the two of us is wrong should “shut the fuck up”, will you now be doing me the favor of obliging?
What I will never understand is how, if Darwin is right, people as stupidly aggressive as you continue to exist. Your stupidity alone should have caused you to win a Darwin Award long ago, but when combined with the aggressiveness that should have gotten you beaten to within an inch of your life, too, the odds seem really low that you could actually be on the other side of this website, posting your comments. There’s gotta be some flaw in the theory of evolution as currently stated for that to happen. Or, as I suspect, you’re just a pussy in real life and a tough guy on the internet, which would negate the danger your internet aggressions could pose to you in real life, and you’re lucky enough to have been born in a society so advanced it can find “intellectual” work for even a half-wit like yourself, such as something in the adjunct professoriate, which would negate your stupidity.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:19 pm #
I think I’ve noted this before but here it goes again – the rantings of wingtardia are not evidence of fraud.
Translation: you’re not going to answer the question.
Why did he turn off AVS, hooters?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/26 @ 12:22 pm #
oh heavens! how dare we hold different OPINIONS!!!
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:23 pm #
hey hoot
you know, don’t you, that the lawsuit filer is a Democrat? And that no Republican official supports him? That many mainstream conservatives have dismissed or denounced the lawsuit?
facts, they be messy things
I suggest you make an appointment to have your meds adjusted. For the reality.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:27 pm #
I wonder if hooters knows that Fred Phelps is also a Democrat?
Comment by cranky-d on 10/26 @ 12:27 pm #
With TrollHammer™ in place I have no idea what hoot is saying, but I’m sure it’s the same stupid crap he has always said. I cannot see any point in addressing him, but everyone gets their entertainment in different ways.
As far as evolution of humanity goes, we have multiple institutions in place to protect and defend the defectives. Humans are devolving in my opinion. We have flattened the evolutionary landscape to the point that the stupid can survive and flourish just fine.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 12:27 pm #
Dissent is NOT teh patriotic no more
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:30 pm #
She prefers the socialistic somnambulism of Republicans who say they don’;t believe in sucking off the public teat……………….
cleo is now channeling the hoot argument … what one does is make government touch everyone’s life then in bad faith attempt to use that touch to shutup the dissenters.
Government has legitimate functions … PROVIDE for the common defense — ie military, police and judiciary. I work within the judiciary. I’m not “sucking the public teat” anymore than a veteran or police office. But then there are the ilk of cleo, pulled over for a .2 DUI who vomits on the officer’s shoes while ranting “I pay your salary! You answer to ME!”
cleo and ilk are the same people who believe that allowing taxpayers to keep more of their own money is a HANDOUT from the government.
Cleo and ilk, just run of the mill collectivists, trying to “intellectualize” while having the soul of a looter.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:30 pm #
I use it on a tactical basis, cranky-d. If I’ve got plenty of time and feel like beating on trolls, I turn it off. If I want to just read the important stuff, I turn it on.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:31 pm #
Still waiting, hooters.
Why did the Obama campaign turn off AVS?
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/26 @ 12:32 pm #
I banned hoot, who has responded by posting more than ever.
I banned him as an experiment. My suspicions have been confirmed.
Being so far left, you haven’t an idea that the “fringe right” you talk about are mostly conservative libertarians and classical liberals.
The GOP is running a statist, and the Dems respond by trying to label him far right.
It’s astonishing. And sad.
Comment by venividivici on 10/26 @ 12:35 pm #
That IS the popular opinion, but as usual WingNut Nation wishes it was still the tail that wags the dog. The tail is there, but now the dog knows all the fleas migrated to the butt-end.
Wow, who knew promising people something for nothing would be popular? Go fucking figure. I guess that means HandOut Nation is in the ascendency. I only hope that people realize the something is going to be less than they thought and the nothing is going to be larger than they thought and, if historical experience is any guide, eventually the something will become smaller than the nothing. Gotta pay for all of those bureaucrats to administer the something for nothing, after all.
I’ll fully admit that I’ve got a real dog in the fight, since Obama will tax me at a higher rate than I’ve been being taxed and that’s pretty much all I care about (hope and change and world standing and all that other bullshit mean fuck-all to me because it’s all just the bleating of the losers in life, oh, sorry, I meant “The Wretched of the Earth”, to use the proper PC terminology).
Comment by Rusty on 10/26 @ 12:36 pm #
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 11:14 am #
#130
Oh I do work, Darleen. You retired? Care to answer my question about Medicare? You rail against government handouts. Surely you don’t take any.
Uh. Most of your FICA goes to medicare. Just for shits and giggles, try opting out of your SS obligations. Let us know how that works.
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:36 pm #
veni – So now you reveal how tiny your penis is by making threats on the internet. Choice. Who’s the tough guy again? Let me reiterate, btw – show me where I claimed the two do not have similarities. Until then, please shut the fuck up.
SBP – I’m sure you think you are making a point but I sure as hell can’t find it. As far as the Obama birth certificate thing, it sure as shit is a hot topic in wingtardia and was supposed to take down Obama. Didn’t quite work out that way.
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:37 pm #
#193 venividivici
I only hope that people realize the something is going to be less than they thought and the nothing is going to be larger than they thought and, if historical experience is any guide, eventually the something will become smaller than the nothing.
here
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 12:38 pm #
show me where I claimed the two do not have similarities.
he did, hoot. have your meds adjusted.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:40 pm #
I’m sure you think you are making a point but I sure as hell can’t find it.
I’m asking a question.
Why did the Obama campaign turn off AVS in their credit card processing system?
Answer it.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/26 @ 12:42 pm #
I think that’s a very strange penis assumption there. I don’t think it works like that.
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 12:47 pm #
hoot is obsessed with teh penis
Comment by SevenEleventy on 10/26 @ 12:50 pm #
hoot is obsessed with teh penis
hoot has Ken doll penis envy!
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:52 pm #
That’s right, Jeff did ban me. Duly noted. I’ve had my fun and will take a hike. It is Jeff’s place and he pays the bills.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:52 pm #
Before you go, hooters:
Why did the Obama campaign turn off AVS in their credit card processing system?
Comment by hoot on 10/26 @ 12:54 pm #
Don’t care. Frankly, I don’t buy any theories or even reportage coming from wingtardia. The kerning police have ginned up fake outrages every few weeks now for months and months. Why start paying attention now?
Comment by urthshu on 10/26 @ 12:56 pm #
Yeh I dunno, its like the Lefty’s think haha they got you if they can point to your body parts.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/26 @ 12:58 pm #
Don’t care.
Translation: you have no response.
Comment by cranky-d on 10/26 @ 12:58 pm #
I turn off the hammer every now and then, and of course the bans expire so I sometimes see comments I normally wouldn’t. But most of the time I would rather just read the good stuff and skip the chaff.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 1:03 pm #
“it is hard to imagine how anything good will happen until we get private money out of campaigns……………”
The totalitarian ape peers out of the tree line.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 1:10 pm #
“…but until they do we have to act to control those who have no concept of the notion.”
The totalitarian ape peers out of the tree line.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 1:22 pm #
“The GOP is running a statist, and the Dems respond by trying to label him far right.
It’s astonishing. And sad.”
Stalinists labeled Trotsky a “fascist”.
Hey, maybe that’s why hoot is so confused.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/26 @ 1:23 pm #
“Comment by Jeff G. on 10/26 @ 12:32 pm #
I banned hoot, who has responded by posting more than ever.”
So he’s a thief.
Excuse me.
A free-lance socialist.
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 2:09 pm #
How’s that lawsuit over Obama’s birth certificate going?
I don’t know, haven’t been following it closely. It does seem odd that Obama is wasting so much time and money fighting technicalities when producing a valid birth certificate would have ended the matter months ago.
Where do you think the manger was, hoot?
Comment by guinsPen on 10/26 @ 3:36 pm #
Something as simple as changing you dinner fork from one to the other, changes nerves pathways and opens channels that have been unexplored. Something different is needed.
I think I’ll redo my chain-link fence into a balloon one.
Comment by ushie on 10/26 @ 3:50 pm #
Geez, Jeff G., you must have nerves of steel, discounting the little red pills under the sofa cushion. I had to stop reading this thread and go for a walk and pick up a nice steak and some blue potato chips and beer before I could stand to start reading it again.
Commenters, may I suggest a nice Weyerbacher 13 and some blue potato chips?
Comment by ushie on 10/26 @ 3:51 pm #
Oh, MAN, I loved that BALLOON FENCE thing! That was so goddam funny I’m grinning like a fool just remembering it!
Comment by McGehee on 10/26 @ 3:52 pm #
Generally when I switch my fork from my right hand to my left, what’s needed is for me to cut my steak.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/26 @ 4:00 pm #
Yo hoot, Stay off the guy’s property. What’s so hard about that?
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/26 @ 4:12 pm #
Ah, differences between Communism and Fascism.
In both the State owns all the means of production. Under Fascism the State ownership is de facto. Under Communism the State ownership is de jure. Differences without a distinction.
Both are blood drenched, destructive, parasitical and designed for the encouragement and empowerment of sociopaths who always end up running them.
Thugs ‘R Us governments.
Comment by vince selle on 10/26 @ 5:18 pm #
Neil Boortz had the right idea for our current situation, the “right to vote” would be based on taxes paid, essentially one vote for each 10gs in taxes paid. Do you think our political landscape would look slightly different?
Comment by Darleen on 10/26 @ 5:40 pm #
guinsPen
“Get off my lawn”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teLeXZ3XMU
Comment by B Moe on 10/26 @ 10:55 pm #
You mean the top 1/4% that owns 99% of the wealth can steal the other 1%?
They don’t need to steal it, cleo. They know how to get folks to give it to them, that is why they already have most of it. It is the bottom of the barrel that are too lazy and stupid to earn it honestly that needs Obama to steal it for them. Why is this so hard for you to figure out?
Comment by Rusty on 10/27 @ 5:18 am #
#223
Earning isn’t theft, simplton.
Comment by Pablo on 10/27 @ 7:44 am #
*Bozo the Clown*
Comment by Carin on 10/27 @ 7:50 am #
I wouldn’t go so far as vince up there. But, I would say that anyone on public assistance looses their right to vote.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 10/27 @ 7:54 am #
Earning isn’t theft, simplton.
Of course it is. The actuality of one person’s use of resources STEALS the potential use of everyone else using the same resource. A guy with nothing better to do than fix widgets to sprockets for his daily bread is EXPLOITED by you if you pay him what his labor is worth to you. And it’s not his fault because books don’t work in poor parts of the city, et cetera ad nauseam.
Comment by mojo on 10/27 @ 9:16 am #
Let’s go with a Heinleinian republic, shall we?
Comment by guinsPen on 10/27 @ 4:05 pm #
*Tony Soprano*
Or maybe simpletic.