As Ray Robison points out via email, if the NYT is trying to get out in front of an Obama story to “soften it up,” might that not signal that, on the horizon, is to come a blistering offensive aimed at FINALLY publicly pinning Barack Obama to at least some of his more radical cohort?
Because that would be boss.
– As would be a willingness to go after Frank, Dodd, Obama, and the “root causes” of the credit crisis, which could reference a pattern of Democratic legislation as a jumping off point to discuss the dangerous commingling of government with big business — the ultimate way to reassert the need for less byzantine regulatory initiatives (an argument that appeals to conservatives) while simultaneously asserting “reformist” credentials in the kind of “straight talk” you’ve built your reputation upon (which substantive and rhetorical efforts would appeal to independents).
But then, that would demand a willingness on McCain’s part to attack a party other than his own — and the fact remains, the guy seems more than willing to lay the blame at the feet of “big monied interests,” refusing to recognize (or rather, refusing to acknowledge) that in this case, it was a government related entity who provided the proximate cause for the current economic crisis.
Were McCain the “maverick” he claims to be, the first words out of his mouth in the next debate would be Frank, Dodd, Obama, Raines, Reid, Schumer, Pelosi, accounting irregularities, Enron, investigation, prosecution, government failure, and “let’s fix this mess for the long term.”
Because he’s not really a maverick, however, his first words will likely be to congratulate Obama on helping push through the bailout.
At which point he may as well speak to Obama after the debate and see if he maybe could replace Biden as Barack’s VP pick…
(h/t ray robison, Terry H)
Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 10:54 am #
A McCain presidency will help our lost little Republican vaginas in Congress man up a bit I think. For real I think that’s what this analysis points to.
Comment by nikkolai on 10/4 @ 11:09 am #
If Saracuda is at the top of the ticket, we win this thing going away. As it is, a toss-up.
Comment by Kevin B on 10/4 @ 11:14 am #
see if he maybe could replace Biden as Barack’s VP pick… with Sarah Palin! and then watch Obama go pale.
(Sorry.. Consider me nounceless.)
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/4 @ 11:17 am #
“let’s fix this mess for the long term.â€Â
What’s this involve? Because I’m not seeing how “more regulation” wins for McCain.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 11:26 am #
It might have something to do with this ad, which is rolling out Wednesday on local stations in battleground states and nationwide on Fox News.
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/4 @ 11:28 am #
Both tickets seem to be inverted.
Comment by Salt Lick on 10/4 @ 11:32 am #
Because less byzantine regulatory initiatives (an argument that appeals to conservatives) just means sitting down and rewriting the old regulations. Which doesn’t strike us hick types as “mavericky” at all.
Comment by glasnost on 10/4 @ 11:45 am #
The Chutzpah of you folks is absolutely unbelieveable. You’ve been hooting, hollering, and screaming bloody murder about a complete nonstory for months if not years, the criteria for nonstory here being, “literally no relevant events have occurred in the present tense for the entire time you’ve been yammering about it and half a decade previous”. And the linchpin of your vast conspiracy theory is all about “the liberal media won’t DARE say anything about this because they’re in the tank for Obama!”,
So here we are, and the NYT finally caves to your bs and runs a 2000-word weekend story on this stuff with only a month to go in the election.. and your new line is:
if the NYT is trying to get out in front of an Obama story to “soften it up,â€Â
Are you fuc*ing kidding me? You finally made it ‘news’, in a sense, or at least the fact that you folks have been obsessively fixated on it for months has made it kind of like news in a way, and your flam-flam predictions about how the media were ideologically refusing to discuss it have been proven FALSE, and your response is “they’re trying to soften it up?”
Dude. People have been running ads mentioning Ayers since August. Nobody cares. The reason nobody cares is that there is no developing story. There’s just a wacky ex-radical who Obama was on a board with. This has been considered by the US electorate and judged… not important. Except to you obsessives. Thus, the point here is that you’ve been demonstrated to be completely wrong about your analysis of the MSM. Again. But, like the classic example of the most die-hard of conspiracy theorists, all imaginable new evidence is somehow interpreted as confirmation of your BS, instead of repudiation.
Seriously, someone needs to intervene with you guys. Can we get a show of hands about who here thinks William Ayers probably introduced Barack Obama to Saddamn Hussein in the 90’s? Get a grip…
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 11:47 am #
glasnost: go tell Axelrod that he needs to fire you and hire someone better.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 11:51 am #
Baracky loves people what hate America, glasnost. This is because he is bitter cause his mommy didn’t love him and his daddy didn’t love him, both. It’s very sad and I for one would like Baracky to get the help he needs.
Comment by Michael Smith on 10/4 @ 11:56 am #
It isn’t true, as glasnost claims, that “nobody cares” about Obama’s associates. It IS true that Obama supporters aren’t bothered by Obama’s association with people like Ayers or people like Reverend Wright — they aren’t bothered because they are largely in agreement with the rationalizations Ayers and Wright make for their words and actions.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 11:59 am #
his first words will likely be to congratulate Obama on helping push through the bailout
I would give 20-1 odds on it.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 12:05 pm #
You finally made it ‘news’, in a sense, or at least the fact that you folks have been obsessively fixated on it for months has made it kind of like news in a way, and your flam-flam predictions about how the media were ideologically refusing to discuss it have been proven FALSE,
You’re a little quick to claim victory, aren’t you?
If our screeching finally got mention, and McCain does start talking about it like we wish, don’t you think we should wait and see what effect it has before you declare us irrelevant?
Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 12:07 pm #
If nobody cares then why all the attmepts at minimizing and mitigating.
[t]heir paths have crossed sporadically since then.
Crossed? As if crossed is somehow synonymous with ‘worked directly with for years.’ And it was Obama’s own representation that Ayers was ‘just some guy who lives in my neighborhood’ yet the Times phrases it as something from the mouths of the opposition.
It’s damage control pure and simple, the Obama camp is broadcasting their talking points in the cheapest way they know how.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/4 @ 12:07 pm #
ha ha! no. move along folks, there’s nothing to see here.
Comment by geoffb (JARAIP) on 10/4 @ 12:08 pm #
We have all heard of “damning with faint praise”. What the Times does is praising with faint damnation. Then when the more sordid details try to surface they will say “can’t we just move on” we already covered that, it’s “old news” and no one cares.
The Moveon bunch’s name came from this very tactic back in the 90’s.
Comment by Rusty on 10/4 @ 12:11 pm #
#8
If it were McCain we were talking about you couldn’t get enough. So you’ll forgive a little paranoia for the sake of honesty.
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:13 pm #
O! supporters aren’t bothered by it b/c they largely have daddy issues themselves. Folks with daddy issues like to burn things, its in all the literature.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/4 @ 12:14 pm #
That the simple question, “What were your relations with William Ayers at CAC, and what was its mission?” has not been directly asked of the candidate by the MSM is . . . illustrative.
Comment by guinsPen on 10/4 @ 12:17 pm #
You finally made it ‘news’, in a sense, or at least the fact that you folks have been obsessively fixated on it for months has made it kind of like news in a way
Sort of, in some respects.
Hat Trick !
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:17 pm #
I also like how one article contravenes all the whatdoyacallit STUDIES that say the MSM is [o yes] Left-leaning. Oh, and the leaks from news folks what are saying they’re in the tank for O!, hard core. Oh, and the statements from news folks bragging about how they’re gonna influence this or that for the Dems, and how they do it.
But you know, ONE article!!1!1!
Comment by The Other Ed on 10/4 @ 12:29 pm #
The reason this story never goes anywhere is that people do not think Obama working with a guy 13 years ago on education and local politics necessarily means Obama is in any way involved with crimes that Ayers did 40 years ago.
Are all the Evangelical Christians working with Charles Colson now guilty because of his Watergate crimes years ago? Of course not, there needs to be a closer connection than unrelated involvement decades later to make these types of associations resonate with voters.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 12:33 pm #
Don’t be stupid, Ed. Baracky gravitates to people what hate America to where they want to blow shit up and kill people. Also he’s a raving socialist tool.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 12:35 pm #
Baracky is designed to validate what Al Qaeda was trying to do several years ago. Blow up the financial centers for the people and present a more humble face to the world and subjugate America to a global consensus. It’s not a healthy development.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 12:35 pm #
Great OtherEd, then why doesn’t the NYT and Obama just embrace the relationship with Ayers, if there’s nothing troublesome by all means let it all out.
But that’s not what Obama did. When he was asked about the guy who he has a long association with he called Ayers ’some guy whos kids my kids went to shool with.’ Obama lied. Did he lie for a specific reason, or is it just in his nature to lie about his close associations?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 12:35 pm #
Are all the Evangelical Christians working with Charles Colson now guilty because of his Watergate crimes years ago?
Colson repented of his crimes.
Ayers regrets that he didn’t do more.
Big difference there, Ed.
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:41 pm #
Not only that, but Obama’s kids are like 6yo and Ayers’ are like 30yo. WTF?
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:43 pm #
In another thread someone asked about Bracky’s possible cabinet: Here, before I forget.
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:46 pm #
Old article, BTW. Obviously, John Edwards is out. And I would think Baracky might really put Al Gore to be UN Ambassador.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 12:52 pm #
Thanks Urthshu, that was me.
Dang, this one is a corker.
Another stratagem for keeping financial markets calm would be to keep Henry Paulson, who has earned the respect of many Democrats, in office for a year or two.
I’ll treat the rest as equally worthless; it’s all just palace intrigue and way too inside baseball to be accurate.
Comment by Neo on 10/4 @ 12:53 pm #
The NYT is merely regurgitating the same Kurtz material in the form of a fluff piece. I doubt many Times readers read the WSJ.
I’m not sure any conservative critics ever thought this was the case. There seems to be plenty of evidence that Obama managed to cover much the same material, that Ayers could have provided, during his time in academia and before.
The question conservative critics have been asking is .. did the Chicago Annenberg Challenge provide an opportunity for “fellow travelers” to work together ? The answer seems to be “yes”.
Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 12:55 pm #
Actually, I stand corrected. That article is comedy gold.
Top strategist David Axelrod likely would avoid the mistake Karl Rove made and remain (subpeona free) outside the White House.
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 12:55 pm #
This has been
considered by the US electoratewhitewashed by the MSM and judged… not important.Fixed that for ya!
I’m back from vacation (Florida- I forgot to visit Thor). Did I miss much?
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 12:56 pm #
Obviously my html is a bit rusty.
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:58 pm #
ThomasD-
News Max has another more recent one up. Couldn’t find it right off, but its a good comparison.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/4 @ 12:59 pm #
yay!
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 12:59 pm #
Here it is
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 1:01 pm #
Hey welcome back, Carin.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 1:01 pm #
Hey, Carin. Glad to see you back.
Comment by My plan to win on 10/4 @ 1:03 pm #
Rather than waiting for McCain to do something, here’s an idea:
1. Think up a question about BHO’s associations that hasn’t been asked and that’s fully sourced.
2. Get a video camera, go to a BHO appearance, and try to ask BHO the question on video.
3. Upload his response to Youtube.
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/4 @ 1:04 pm #
Is this the ‘Ayer’s thread or the Nationalization of the Finance Industry thread.
If greed is good, then we have to give credit to Socialism, as well.
I submit that Nationalization be Pan American.
It has been suggested that the $70 Billion is the beginning of the negotiation. I am hearing 2-3 TRILLION will be the ultimate tab for Reganomics.
We are placed in the position of having to duck under the cesspool for cover when a gleeful antagonist threatens to throw a bucket of snot on us, as well.
I suggest this giant shit burrito be flavored with soem profitable ventures.
The Oil Industry
The Pharms
The Medical Industry as a whole.
Tobacco industry
Liquor Industry.
All should be Nationalized, because of the suffocating debt to asset ratio which plagues us well into the century.
After all, A Republican Administration set the precedent.
(Only Nixon could go to China)
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 1:04 pm #
For McCain
Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 1:06 pm #
Instead of following Baracky around with a video camera you can stay home and rearrange your books by hue cause that wouldn’t be insane at all.
Comment by urthshu on 10/4 @ 1:06 pm #
Cleo, the government can’t even run a lottery or a horse betting parlor profitably.
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 1:06 pm #
It’s good to be back:)
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 1:07 pm #
Palin goes nuclear on Ayers.
Comment by thor on 10/4 @ 1:07 pm #
I think I’d vote for Bill Ayers before I vote for Sarah Palin.
At least he’s already done his time and paid his price to society.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/4 @ 1:09 pm #
what? when was that?
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/4 @ 1:10 pm #
and may I please have some of what you’re smoking or drinking.
for after the show tomorrow, of course.
Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 1:12 pm #
Cleo, the government can’t even run a lottery or a horse betting parlor profitably.
Hell, they went broke running a whore house.
Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 1:14 pm #
The Pharms
The Medical Industry as a whole.
Tobacco industry
Liquor Industry.
All should be Nationalized, because of the suffocating debt to asset ratio which plagues us well into the century.
Those are all already run by the government, Cleo, what you want is to take away may right to refuse to participate.
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Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 1:30 pm #
Thanks for those links Urthshu.
Yeah baybee!
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 1:34 pm #
It has been suggested that the $70 Billion is the beginning of the negotiation. I am hearing 2-3 TRILLION will be the ultimate tab for Reganomics.
I’ve been out of the loop, but I didn’t realize Regan was responsible for all this mess. Boy, do I have some catching up to do.
But I’m thinking our new economy is cool. Capitalism on the way up, Socialism on the way down.
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 1:37 pm #
Shit, the government (on a local level which should be easier) can’t even coordinate highway construction projects w/o fucking up. Yea, I want them in charge of every other aspect of my life.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 1:39 pm #
Yeah Bolton would be great, and I hope McCain does put Lieberman in his cabinet, as Sec Defense. I like Giuliani in Homeland Security.
I’m happy to have missed Al Gores name in there.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/4 @ 1:40 pm #
Holy crap. How bad can it be, you ask?
Go here.
Hang tough to at LEAST 1:55.
Well said, Mr… Baldwin.
I never in my wildest dreams thought I’d say that. Or link to video with Bill Maher, Christine Amanapour, Alec Baldwin, and Gary Shandling.
It’s the End of Times!
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 1:41 pm #
I was looking for Jenny Granholm’s name, but I guess she backed the wrong horse, huh?
Dennis Archer was OK as a Detroit mayor, but he kinda flaked out. No great shakes. I though he wanted to get out of politics? Kwame is, of course, available.
Comment by Charlie (Colorado) on 10/4 @ 1:42 pm #
Palin says ‘Obama palling around with terrorists.’”
Comment by Charlie (Colorado) on 10/4 @ 1:43 pm #
The New McCain: More Agressive….
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/4 @ 1:48 pm #
“what you want is to take away may right to refuse to participate.”
Oh, opting out of each citizens share of the profit, could be written in. Is that the principle you are taking a stand on?
Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 1:50 pm #
Christ you are an idiot, Cleo. You don’t have a fucking clue how shit works, do you?
Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 1:58 pm #
Government? Profit? OH haa haa ha ha … that’s a good one. Leo’s got a sense of humor I see.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 1:58 pm #
You don’t have a fucking clue how shit works, do you?
Speaking of which,Maher’s little roundtable TmjUtah linked took only 6 minutes for me to conclude the same for all of ‘em.
Comment by TmjUtah on 10/4 @ 2:02 pm #
lee, like watching people in a fog, ain’t it?
But I’m still gobsmacked by Baldwin’s voiced opinion, no less for the venue in which he voiced it.
I was only able to hang out for five minutes and change; nothing like a little apostasy to get their juices flowing.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 2:04 pm #
The thing that struck me (other than the Sign-of-the-Apocalypse statement by Baldwin) is just how much hair Shandling and Maher have lost since the last time I saw them, and how haggard Amanpour looks.
Guess I’ve been doing a better job of avoiding them than I thought.
Comment by Rick on 10/4 @ 2:07 pm #
Since the bidness of government is to legislate laws and regulations and enforce them, I propose that the true, priority target of nationalization should be the legal profession. Guaranteed legal care for everyone!
And as lawyers would then earn only a regulated amount of income, they’d have less to spare to fund Democratic mischief. Leave ‘baccy alone for a while longer yet.
Cordially…
Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/4 @ 2:41 pm #
Semanticleo: Don’t worry Tic Toc. Lawyers will fade in time due to attrition once they find they can’t sue the government without the governments PERMISSION.”
You really don’t pay all that much attention to reality, do you?
Before you say anything this stupid, count the number of lawyers in the legislature.
Then, take a long look the success that has been the efforts at real torte reform.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 2:44 pm #
The Other Ed: The reason this story never goes anywhere
Note that “The Other Ed” has copied and pasted an identical comment on Just One Minute, and doubtless on several other blogs.
Comment by JBean on 10/4 @ 2:57 pm #
The reason this story never goes anywhere is that people do not think Obama working with a guy 13 years ago on education and local politics necessarily means Obama is in any way involved with crimes that Ayers did 40 years ago.
So, if it’s such an innocent connection, where are the quotes from Ayers? Why isn’t he interviewed for these stories? Why isn’t he on TV, telling his side of the story? Why does the NYT say Dohrn wasn’t available for comment — the story’s not about her. It’s about Ayers and Obama.
Why doesn’t the NY Times mention that Dohrn went to jail for seven months for refusing to cooperate with the Grand Jury about the string of robberies related to the Brinks robbery/homicide that they mention? The stories on Dohrn’s antics — declaring the Grand Jury didn’t have jurisdiction, getting out of jail and applying for membership in the NY State bar — are in their archives, just a mouse click away for readers, but absent for reporters. Why?
But the Italian restaurant was a nice touch….I have to admit. I like my lies served with scungilli and calamari. Yum.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 3:01 pm #
JBean: So, if it’s such an innocent connection, where are the quotes from Ayers?
“Ed” is an Axelrod sockpuppet, JBean. He won’t be back, at least not under that name.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 3:21 pm #
I propose that the true, priority target of nationalization should be the legal profession. Guaranteed legal care for everyone!
Why, that’s fucking GENIUS!!!!
A 6th amendment right in the face of the nannystate. I like it!
Comment by Ric Locke on 10/4 @ 3:26 pm #
Uh, Semanticleo, I’ve had that nickname for over fifty years. Congratulations, today you are a ten-year-old… but be careful you’re attaching it to the right person, ‘k?
Regards,
Ric
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 3:35 pm #
like watching people in a fog, ain’t it?
a hands in front of you feeling around fog. In unfamiliar territory. Amidst natural calamity and an upset tummy.
Comment by JBean on 10/4 @ 3:38 pm #
SBP -
“Ed†is an Axelrod sockpuppet, JBean. He won’t be back, at least not under that name.
Ya think?
We should all be screaming for an appearance by Ayers — this has got to killing him. He loves him some spotlight, and there he sits, muzzled and bypassed by everyone….ready to tell us all about his stupendous accomplishments and enlightened thinking on all matters under the sun — we need to give him a voice.
Free Bill Ayers!
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 3:43 pm #
I’m thinking they could have been there for a casting call, for the Posiden Adventure III
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 3:47 pm #
Or maybe The Battle of the Bulge, done in a Letters From Iwo Jima way.
Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 4:01 pm #
Baldwin could have been trying out for that poor sap General that broke the news Operation Barbarossa was a failure.
Mahr would only be offered the job of soldier #4 killed in combat, which he would decline having too much ego.
Gary Shandling knew he could get Jewish Buffoon with minimal effort.
That woman would get a 1 second scream as the bombs fell.
Comment by Rusty on 10/4 @ 4:39 pm #
#41
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/4 @ 1:04 pm #
Is this the ‘Ayer’s thread or the Nationalization of the Finance Industry thread.
If greed is good, then we have to give credit to Socialism, as well.
I submit that Nationalization be Pan American.
It has been suggested that the $70 Billion is the beginning of the negotiation. I am hearing 2-3 TRILLION will be the ultimate tab for Reganomics.
We are placed in the position of having to duck under the cesspool for cover when a gleeful antagonist threatens to throw a bucket of snot on us, as well.
I suggest this giant shit burrito be flavored with soem profitable ventures.
The Oil Industry
The Pharms
The Medical Industry as a whole.
Tobacco industry
Liquor Industry.
All should be Nationalized, because of the suffocating debt to asset ratio which plagues us well into the century.
After all, A Republican Administration set the precedent.
Oh. Shit. You’re serious!
The irony, it’s galactic in scope.
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/4 @ 6:24 pm #
Did that fellow name Obama chair?
Comment by Jeff G. on 10/4 @ 6:44 pm #
Worth quoting in full:
Comment by Rick on 10/4 @ 8:07 pm #
Such a stinging riposte! But at least you express a single, coherent thought. And after a year of trying to decipher you, my gratitude is genuine.
Cordially…
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Comment by Rusty on 10/5 @ 12:12 pm #
#83
You have that backwards, meya.
The charity instructed the money be spent, someone from USB was handing out dollars from the charities account. Now. Can you tell us how much this money materially improved the quality of education in the district it was distributed? Here’s a hint. The district is still a shithole and education in that part of the city is still substandard.
The best case senario for that relationship-ayers/obama-still makes Obama look likwe a tool.