Over at Crooks and Liars, Nicole Belle deplores the slaying of Unitarians, of which she is one, due, apparently, to the pernicious influence of hatemongers such as O’Reilly, Hannity and Savage.
I can’t recall her heartache at the slaying of Roman Catholic nuns in the wake of the cartoons controversy, but perhaps I simply don’t recall. I do agree with her that the usher who took the blast and the folks who tackled the gunman demonstrated considerable courage.
And while I do sympathize, this vignette fails to touch my stony heart the way it ought, I suppose:
And if a reminder was ever needed why I am and will always be a Unitarian, it is that during the candlelight service held in memory of those who died, a few of the children who had been performing in the cast of ‘Annie’ broke into song. They sang ‘Tomorrow’, in a heart-wrenching reminder that the sun will come out tomorrow.
See that? See what I just did? That’s probably hate speech right there. Still, I’ve never had to close down a comments thread because of people expressing their joy over a lefty’s brain tumor, for example.
Yikes!
Another O! voter!
“Shut those hatemongers up!”
These people remind me of cleaning the manure cellar…
Again, the problem was not Hannity or Savage, but the shooter’s neurological haywireness.
Dan, I’ve been out of town, but I didn’t know I missed a really big part of the story where O’Reilly, Hannity and Savage specifically told the guy to kill Unitarians.
Is the left now claiming it’s sort of like the Son of Sam with the Dog?
I thought Hannity’s schtick was to bemoan the decline of the influence of religion in this country so the theory doesn’t even make sense on the surface, but then again most of the left’s theories don’t.
Duh, daleyrocks. Everyone knows that righties communicate with dog whistles. Also grunts. And yodels.
And secret decoder rings issued by Karl Rove!
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!1eleventy111111
In seeking answers some always engage in misplaced guilt projection. The Unitarian-good/R-Wingers-bad binary fits Bell and few others need for oversimplification and villainy. That Bell is using this tragedy as a cover for her intellectual fraud and cowardice heaps further pain, I believe, to the victims’ families.
I do not like the slaying of Unitarians at all. Or anybody else slain by someone who’s crazy with a shotgun.
Particularly these Unitarians watching children take part in a great American art, the musical comedy. And “Annie”.
On the other hand, I have often been slain by Unitarians. I refrain from any condemnation of them, as they didn’t do it on purpose.
gain, the problem was not Hannity or Savage, but the shooter’s neurological haywireness.
Sarah, that you refuse to acknowledge the responsibility of the Rightwing for the man’s actions simply proves you are part of the problem, not the solution. Any mental illness he may have is simply irresponsible COVER to which you cling. Like your bibles and guns.
YOUR TIME IS RUNNING OUT, HATERS.
We are ALL Unitarian.
(shamelessly stolen from Crooks and Liars’ comments)
When that moonbat murdered the cop a couple years ago it was just an isolated thing that did not reflect on the left or ‘antiwar’ movement…. of course…
Predictably, this is Nicole Bell:
I am ashamed to admit that my first, overwhelming emotion was intense anger – not so much at Jim Adkisson… That happens, unfortunately, with all too frequent regularity in America these days, and for a depressingly repetitive litany of reasons – depression, frustration, confused anger and overlooked or ignored mental illness. The Adkisson killings is not an uncommon event these days…
My anger instead is concentrated on those people who callously use such vulnerable people, stirring up their bigotry and discontent, egging them to acts of violence. People like Michelle Malkin, Michael Savage, Bill O’Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh who have made lucrative careers out of liberal-bashing.People who write things like “Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorderâ€Â, “Let Freedom Ring,†and “The O’Reilly Factor…â€Â
As someone who proclaims in grandiose fashion that “I make my living writing, words are my stock in trade,” Bell apparently doesn’t understand what many of them mean. To be kinder, let’s just say she is more invested into turning this tragedy into a political score than in lamenting the helplessness of mental illness. Her garbled tangle of rationalization, delusion, and Gordian logic marks her as someone who PROBABLY already hated Coulter, Rush, et. al., with the intensity of several suns, and would’ve continued to hate them until her dirt nap, even had there been no murder in Knoxville.
Just guessing, but I’ll bet she scrawled no such passionate article when the crazy American lefty in Holland murdered for his twisted anti-war cause, or when the guy in NJ attacked his neighbors at their home because they were Republicans. It probably never enters her mind to blame Al Franken, or Michael Moore, or Molly Ivins, or the dozens of scientists who trot out their “conservatives are mentally defective” studies when crimes against conservatives “regularly” happen. Sadly, she more likely thinks, “Good for them…those Reichwingers had it coming.”
Everyone knows that Hannity only instructs us to kill the People’s Front of Judea. The Unitarians are just fine, make a lovely bit of tea they do.
“I can’t recall her heartache at the slaying of Roman Catholic nuns in the wake of the cartoons controversy…”
Thanks for allowing dissenting comments, you’re one of the very few right-wing blogs that does so.
Ignoring the usual hard-hearted right-wing comment, I’d like to point out the use of a logical fallacy in this post, may I?
It’s called Tu quoque and here’s how it works (from wiki):
Tu quoque (IPA: /tu ˈkwoÊŠkwÉ›/, Latin for “You, too” or “You, also”) is a Latin term used to mean an accusation of hypocrisy. The argument states that a certain position is false or wrong and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the opposite party itself, rather than its positions. [1]
Tu quoque is also Sean Hannity’s favorite “debate” tool.
Hard hardheartedness and logical fallacies, that’s how the right-wing rolls.
Chickenhawk meme, David.
Just one of many leftist tu quoque memes, David.
You hypocrite!
I denounce myself.
Uh, David, you’ve got no tu quoque there, sorry, it just doesn’t fit. Try again at bit harder.
“Comment by David on 7/30 @ 10:54 am #”
OK were the progtards upset with Mo’s book when that muzzie went in shot up the Jewish center in Seattle.
Oh, and David, have you eevr seen a right-wing sentiment posted at DU that lived for more than a few milliseconds?
Hypocrite.
I denounce myself again.
Hard hardheartedness and logical fallacies, that’s how the right-wing rolls.
Whereas describing a group that makes up over a third of the country in such a disparaging way is most certainly NOT the sign of base, petty bigotry. Kudus to you sir for you enlightenment.
I don’t see how my pointing out that Nicole is filled with hatred towards those who disagree with her amounts to tu quoque, but there you go. Actually, I think it’s pretty natural to affect those with whom we identify more than those with whom we do not, but then to do so so evidently and then accuse others of a lack of compassion really is strange. The left blogs have been crying out for denunciation from the right, but they can’t get the story straight. Was he anti-gay and anti-liberal only, or was he also anti-Christian? Or just anti-gayaffirmingliberalunitarian?
Does she really believe that there’s not a lot of hatemongering from liberals? Do you really believe that there’s no tu quoque? Don’t you think that your argument amounts to more of the same? Is it uninteresting that when Bob Novak announced earlier this week that he had a brain tumor, HuffPo had to close down their comments section preemptively? Is it not the case that whatever the shooters mixture of motives, the survivors should be consoled, the dead condoled, the brave complimented? Would it make the shooter somehow more sympathetic a figure than he ought to be if we were to say that he was also motivated by a malice towards Christians generally?
Is it stony-hearted of me not to be moved by the vignette the way she is? Do you never find someone’s rhetoric unmoving for similar reasons?
Is it stony-hearted of me not to be moved by the vignette the way she is? Do you never find someone’s rhetoric unmoving for similar reasons?
I am unmoved by such vignettes, but only because I work at it. I work at it because I do not like being emotionally manipulated. Unfortunately, real scenes may get that treatment, but that is the way it goes.
Many of us may have been weepily moved had we been present for the event and yet unmoved when the self-same potential motivator is described to us by another.
I am moved to distrust people who without knowing me would call me hardhearted. But that’s just me.
The left has to reconfigure a violent mentally-ill man as the necessary product of conservativism to deflect the fact that the guy hated Christians, which, in the minds of much of the left, would make him the necessary product of leftist inspiration, liberating people from the confines of “the opiate of the masses” (to quote a very effective Communist motivator of slaughterers of millions).
Oh, and just for recent documentation of the left’s lusty hatred of religion and demonstrated desire for its destruction, try to keep up with the University of Minnesota’s professor Myers, whose hate is supported by his state-funded salary.
Tu Quoque: From the Latin, “You Dork”. As in, those that cite it without understanding when it is used, or more simply, “David”. This discussion is not a debate in which you in your mighty leftardedness get to to choose the subject. Dan is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Nicole Bell, in much the same way I am pointing out the idiocy of David.
Ohhh, is that my “hardheartedness” speaking now? Ouch.
Thanks, LC. That sums it up pretty well, I think.
What’s wrong with being hard-hearted?
Seriously.
The Unabomber had AlGore’s book.
tu quoque for Dan’s post
hypocrisy inside out
sets the hard hearted
There’s just so much sensitivity on the collection of tubes these days.
B Moe,
TXbubba anticipates your objection. The difference is apparently that this guy Adkisson is a member of the conservative mainstream.
I’m still not altogether clear on why a church would be putting on a production of “Annie” on a Sunday morning.
I guess the Bible has become passé in some circles.
Shoot! Is that what that whistle lookin’ thing in my drawer is for?
Damn. You should have yodeled at me long ago!
Maybe Soros is Daddy Warbucks?
It is funny reading this in parallel with the IP post above, I don’t think the troll’s are going to get blamed for inciting Jeff if he does decide to whip their ass. Odd lot, the left.
TXbubba anticipates your objection. The difference is apparently that this guy Adkisson is a member of the conservative mainstream.
It is tragic when one of them does try to make a point.
They’re Unitarians. Described (perhaps only half tongue-in-cheek) by a college professor of mine–a Unitarian himself–as “the only religion in the world where the word ‘God” is never mentioned.”
Too bad he didn’t live long enough to witness the AGW crowd.
Kelly: 25 years ago my wife and I attended a beautiful Unitarian church, built in the gothic style, in Fairhaven, Mass. They were lovely people but God was strictly optional. I’m not the least bit surprised that they were putting on a broadway play and finding deep spiritual meaning in “Tomorrow.”
LOL BJ. I went to a Unitarian “service” a couple of times with a friend. It was totally non-godbothering. Lots of people driving Volvos and talking about the benefits of wheatgrass juice.
[quote] I am ashamed to admit that my first, overwhelming emotion was intense anger – not so much at Jim Adkisson… That happens, unfortunately, with all too frequent regularity in America these days, and for a depressingly repetitive litany of reasons – depression, frustration, confused anger and overlooked or ignored mental illness. The Adkisson killings is not an uncommon event these days… [/quote]
So, she’s not mad at the killer at all? Wow, talk about total misplaced priorities. Also, I’d love to see her statistics about how this tragedy is “not an uncommon event”.
But, then again, I did catch some of the end of Rush’s show yesterday and suddenly felt really twitchy. They might be on to something. Can I combat the effects with tinfoil?
Thanks for allowing dissenting comments, you’re one of the very few right-wing blogs that does so.
I go to every big right leaning blog on the Internet and every one of them has lefty trolls that attack and scream and gnash their teeth. Ace tends to eliminate the really obnoxious ones, but he has em still. This strikes me as projection rather than experience.
The usual response is “What do you mean I’m a troll? All I did was call you all Republikkkan nazis who grind cigarettes into the eyes of dying children?”
Dan, I guess you’re joshing, but Adkisson is in his own eddy. He isn’t in any mainstream I’ve ever heard of. Any excuse would have done for him, as others have said.
FDL isn’t in any real mainstream as others have noted in other threads – though they behave as if they think they are, which is far scarier.
Too bad he didn’t live long enough to witness the AGW crowd.
Shoot, that’s just paganism dressed up in science’s clothes. And it isn’t a real healthy paganism, like Druidism, or the Greco-Roman pantheon, or the Norse pantheon.
Though I guess the Norse would be a little too exuberant for some of the Greens, what with the pillaging and burning and carrying off and battle-axes and the screaming and so on.
Nonsense, Mikey. Thor’s been hanging out with Greenpeaceniks for awhile, according to Marvel.
Then that Thor has forgotten his roots, Dan.
So to speak.
God? “Check.”
Hammer? “Check.”
Concerned about air quality? “WTH?”
… “Where’s the pillagin’? I EXIST for pillagin’!”
… “Eco-wimp! Taste Mjolnir!”
I went to a Unitarian-Universalist service with my atheist father when I was a kid.
They were observing some Eastern religion’s holiday by throwing bricks of firecrackers out of the sliding glass doors behind the “altar.”
Oddly enough, I don’t remember a word that was spoken by the minister or anyone else.
I also had a colleague–at the state university I once worked for–who told me she was “searching” for a religion.
Her final two choices were Untarian-Universalist or Roman Catholic.
Given those two options, and though I am Catholic, I strongly recommended UU.
Cowboy – Play hookie tomorrow and go golfing with me and alppuccino?