Donald Douglas at American Power, a companion piece to Karl’s, below:
Today’s big foreign policy spin is the report that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has apparently backed Barack Obama’s amorphous troop withdrawal plan for Iraq.
There’s a malevolently otherworldly reaction to this around the leftosphere, where many appear to suggest that the success of the surge somehow validates the radical left-wing surrender agenda of the Democratic Party and the netroots base. Indeed, the overall response is positively Kafkaesque.
“The Survivor” by George Grosz 1944, Private Collection
In truth, Barack Obama has been consistently wrong on Iraq (see Peter Wehner’s devastating portrait of Obama’s flailing Iraq policy), especially throughout 2007.
Baracky passes the global test. They really do hate us I think.
“”It’s an error,” said K.,” a gross error, to imagine that I’m not in earnest looking for Barnabus. It’s my most urgent wish, really my only wish, to get my business with the authorities properly settled. And Barnabus has to help me in that, most of my hopes are based on him. I grant he has disappointed me greatly once as it is, but that was more my fault that his”
The Castle pg 222
Cool Dan! I’m putting up a thank you link now!
Of course you know that the only reason why we are where we are is because Democrats have effectively enacted their Backseat Driver Diplomacy.
It’s marvelous, really. Claim failure, undermine the effort, mau-mau progress, and then take Credit when it works. Genius!
It is stuff like what has happened today with this story that illustrates why Obama could feel so confident being against the war in the first place. As long as you aren’t responsible, you can be wrong as often as you like. Eventually, the brass ring will come around again to a spot where you can grab it.
It’s just sad Saddam isn’t here to see Baracky’s triumph. It’s sullied, somehow.
Headline:
“Democrat party shown to be idiots again”
Question for the progosphere:
“A U.S. official close to the negotiations said this week it could be seen as a “bridging” document to last for perhaps 12-18 months once the U.N. mandate expires.”
Should the UN mandate be extended?
Better still Dre, CAN the UN mandate be extended? Who’s permission, um no, vote, yeah, vote do we have to buy, um, no, not buy, um, I mean, win over…yeah, that’s it, persuasion, we’ll just do it with persuasion. But anyway, who’ld want to stand in the way of such cool idea. UN mandate, that’s the ticket.
Donald Douglas is also right to highlight the screaming obscenity of Spencer Ackerman wishing for Bush’s execution as a war criminal. Note that Ackerman is part of the Sorosphere that just took in his Flophouse roomie, Matt Yglesias. I savor the irony of Ackerman’s bogus accusation of empirialism, while roomie Yglesias was recently dreaming of a US that never left the British Empire.
Yeah, ya’ll talk amongst yourselves. I need nothing more than this awesome blog post title. Well done, Dan! I laugh every time I see it.
Also, I have updated the prior post to reflect that al-Maliki claims he was mistranslated. Media mess-up? Pressure from Smirky? I’m guessing the unhinged go with the latter.
Even foreign languages must be changed so they agree with the Obamasiah. For teh UNITY!!!!
Here is Susan Rice, on Obama’s website today:
“Senator Obama welcomes Prime Minister Maliki’s support for a 16 month timeline for the redeployment of U.S combat brigades. This presents an important opportunity to transition to Iraqi responsibility, while restoring our military and increasing our commitment to finish the fight in Afghanistan.”
This is what Maliki was responding to as noted in Karl’s update to “Iraqi PM al-Maliki’s comments…etc”
“Here is Susan Rice”
Rice as a last name means State Dept. braindead.
Lest we forget, during the Clinton administration, Rice’s policy decisions led to the failure to capitalize on Sudan’s offer to allow FBI and CIA counter-terrorism units unfettered and unconditional access to Khartoum’s intelligence during the period when Sudan was trying to hand Osama bin Laden over to the US.
There was a less bloody alternative to the Kagan surge. McCain supported the bloodier choice.
Iraq is partitioned, refugees are unable to return to their homes, many are dead just to prove a point.
I wait for you all to either 1) declare that the Iraqis want what Obama is proposing because the surge worked or 2) declare that Maliki is either not in charge or was misquoted.
Oh, wait. #2 is already in the works.
The plan advanced by the Baker-Hamilton group had the potential to save lives. Now we will never know. What we do know is that the Kagan surge cost lives, both American and Iraqi.
Celebrate your asses off.
Baracky’s plan was just to let them all die in a bloody orgy of Bush capability. Baracky is the mostest genocide-friendly one. Tyranny is just a bonus.
ohnoes. I meant Bush culpability. But Baracky is still the mostest genocide-friendly one.
Y’know K, Condoleezza Rice (wow, two z’s, who knew?) is turning out to be something of a disappointment for me as well. I harbored great hope for her tenure at State after a long string of underwhelming predecessors, but alas, the “braindeads” dre alludes to have captured her, or she allowed herself to be captured, whichever it is.
Daphne are you trying to say that without the surge it would have been
“less bloody”? You are living in a fantasy world if you think that one.
happyfeet, you ignore the fact that the surge was bloody at the beginning, and the fact that someone like Kagan proposed it (that General guy that signed on? easily swiftboated, they just used him for cover).
President Bush allowed the wholesale killing and emmigration of Iraqis that exists now. President Bush allowed the partitioning of neighborhoods.
Imagine a race war and the government building walls between communities in large cities.
“…Less bloody alternative…”
Not if Iraq’s enemies had anything to say about it, which of course, they did. Though not so much anymore.
“Celebrate your asses off.”
Is your name Rice?
What does “…someone like Kagan…” mean here, Daphne?
“Imagine a race war and the government building walls between communities in large cities.”
Like West Berlin?
Daphne on 22 instead of typing all those words you should just say “I HATE BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!111!!!!!” I am sure if we had followed the wonderful words of Obama that none of that would have happened.
Daphne
Are you naturally stupid or was the public school system helpful?
President Bush allowed the wholesale killing and emmigration of Iraqis that exists now.
How can you emigrate after you’ve been killed and then continue to exist?
I’m just kidding daphne, you seem like a good sport.
OK, I was just kidding there, too.
Why is Obama not levitating over Iraq and making it rain manna? That would stop the violence right now.
Darn it, miss just one memo and the narrative changes again. The past is changing so fast now it’s becoming a blur.
“There was a less bloody alternative to the Kagan surge. McCain supported the bloodier choice.”
– By which you mean the “less bloody” approach of leaving the Iraqi’s to the fates of alQaeda and Iran backed militias, potentially resulting in millions more dead. Asshole.
– Well I guess when you blow people up theres less visible blood.
– We stayed and finished the job you surrender monkeys were to frightened to do, and we are cheering, both your stupidity and the better chance at life for Iraq.
– Go fuck yourself cowardas.
I don’t think I like daphne’s attitude. Baracky would have had that poor little country trapped forever in hopeless tyranny. Baracky is not a good-hearted person. He is evil I think. This is why he and his woman hate America so much.
Sdferr, it’s trying to prove a negative — the alternative wasn’t tried. The Baker-Hamilton plan, backed by numerous people from all sides — wasn’t tried. President Bush decided instead to go with Fred Kagan’s plan. (btw, McCain didn’t actually back Kagan’s plan back in the day. McCain was just carping about Rumsfeld at the time, but hey, McCain gets credit nonetheless.)
dre, no.
Sdferr, someone like Kagan means a thinktank type who just ignors large points. Do you know who he is? He’s been on PBS a lot. I’d think you would understand who the surge author was. Maybe I was wrong?
The Iraq Study Group? Yes that was a collection of geniuses. I mean pleading with the Iranians for “help”, whats not to love about that idea? It is obvious they are open to negotions on other issues like their nuclear program, on funding Hamas, and on shipping IED’s into Iraq. Only an idiot would think that we could not engage them in “aggressive diplomacy” in order to persuade them to help us in Iraq as well.
“America is mean country”
Yea bitch right up there with the Mothaf**kin’ land Zimbabwe.
Oh well we’ll never know. Guess we’ll just have to settle for victory and a shiny nascent democracy. Darn it.
happy,
I saw some footage of Barry at some State-Fair-looking function (he was wearing a Sox hat, maybe you’ve seen it) and he was just walking. But he knew the cameras were on him and though there was no sound, you could here him thinking “I’m going to be the most powerful man in the world.” It was uncomfortable.
Like West Berlin?
no, for obvious reasons.
“President Bush decided instead to go with Fred Kagan’s plan.”
It fuckin’ worked douche hag.
no, for obvious reasons.
Which are one talkingprognote?
He’s the fucking anti-Christ, al. I’m not sure how you’re supposed to reapportion your 401k for that.
Mr. Pink, I supported President Bush taking advise from the Baker-Hamilton report. That you decide that I hate President Bush is your problem, not mine.
“…easily swiftboated..”
– Hit the troll alarm….man the battle stations…..Buuuuwuuupppp bbbuuuuwwwwuuuppp…dive dive…..Ass-shouls ahead….
……remember, like in 3rd grade and you would play pretend, maybe like you were a cowboy who just got done beating an Indian at Indian-wrestling and so you’re walking back to the ranch all pensive, yet heroic? I think that was the look Obama was going for. I’m finished now.
James Baker gives lots of advice. He’s sort of an advice slut really.
This “…someone like Kagan means a thinktank type who just ignors large points…” is all I was looking for from you, thanks. It maybe that I know a good deal more about Fred Kagan than you either know or imagine. I just found your phrase a little strange is all, particularlly in that it didn’t hint in the least at “…a thinktank type who just ignors large points…”.
No-one will expect you to prove a negative. They will expect you to be clear as to what you are referring to when you thunder down assertions from your high perch on the clouds, however.
“I supported President Bush taking advise from the Baker-Hamilton report.”
You ain’t smart enough to be President Bush.
James Baker gives lots of advice. He’s sort of an advice slut really.
But it is another nice bullet point on Obama’s resume:
–Once took advice from James Baker
– Tell you what Daffy. We’ve been sending form 180’s tp sKerry for almost three years now, and he keeps losing them. Maybe we could get you to send them to him, and you could ask him if everything that he was exposed for was all lies why he doesn’t just issue his navy records UNALTERED, and then we’d just have to admit we were wrong.
– Deal?
BBH, I really don’t think you want to pilot this vessel directly into the ass shoals, do you? And if you do, do you intend to blow the ballast or fire torpedoes?
Obama’s resume
heh.
advice, sorry.
I mean pleading with the Iranians for “helpâ€Â, whats not to love about that idea?
After 9/11, the Iranians were very cooperative. they didn’t like the Taliban either.
It is obvious they are open to negotions on other issues like their nuclear program, on funding Hamas, and on shipping IED’s into Iraq.
And this weekend, late in President Bush’s term, he sends a representative.
Only an idiot would think that we could not engage them in “aggressive diplomacy†in order to persuade them to help us in Iraq as well.
I don’t think that means what you think it means.
At any rate, I’d beware of depth charges.
And this weekend, late in President Bush’s term, he sends a representative.
I don’t think this means what you think it means.
“After 9/11, the Iranians were very cooperative.”
Yea I always believe what hardcore Muslims say about the infidels. Dumber than a block of wood Progs.
And really, it should be said, not all of the thinking that went into the counter-insurgency strategy adopted by Pres. Bush sprang fully formed from the head of Fred Kagan. He for one, would not let that be said. Gen Petraeus got to put his two cents in. Ditto Gen.’s Odierno, Keane, Pace, and so on.
– Dan, I was going to pretend we were a boatload of
brainfart LiberalsSecProgs and either pretend they weren’t there and drive through them or go under them using the MagicNegro wandâ„¢.“formed from the head of Fred Kagan.”
NeoCon don’t you know? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge
It maybe that I know a good deal more about Fred Kagan than you either know or imagine.
I’m not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
BBH, I really don’t think you want to pilot this vessel directly into the ass shoals, do you? And if you do, do you intend to blow the ballast or fire torpedoes?
ditto
I had just that thought pass through, dre, but thought it best to ask first.
I know this is going to strike Dan as surprising. But the surge was always a win/win game for war opponents. Further, the conduct of the right has been instrumental in insuring that the anti-war argument would win. Of course, if the surge did not succeed, that would have reinforced previous arguments for withdrawing American forces. But if the surge was a success, that was going to provide even more justification for withdrawing American troops. It’s an obvious point. If Iraq became more stable, then there’s LESS NEED for American troops in Iraq.
This is where the right-wing comes in. The right has been advertising any progress associated with the surge as “VICTORY IN IRAQ” since July or August 2007. As a result of conservative over-selling of the “new stability in Iraq,” the conventional wisdom changed from “Iraq’s so bad we need to leave to “Iraq’s so good we can leave now.” Maybe MoveOn.org should hold a reception for Michael Yon and Frederick Kagan after all the troops are out.
Of course, the dolts in the Bush administration made their contribution by driving an insanely hard bargain in their initial draft of the Status of Forces Agreement and offending practically everybody in Iraq. Right now, it looks like Maliki’s decided that the Bush people aren’t worth the aggravation and is going to use the increased stability as an excuse to blow off the Bush administration altogether. It was Maliki’s statement about timetables for withdrawal a week or two ago that inspired Obama to change his justification for withdrawing troops. The Reuters story today was just the icing on the cake.
By the way, I’m counting down the days (maybe hours) until someone on the right accuses al-Maliki of being “ungrateful.” Maliki must be taking lessons from Michelle Obama.
Anyway, I wish I had been smart enough to predict all this before the surge was implemented. But I did see the pattern developing last month from reading a Frederick Kagan article and wrote about it on my own blog. Here’s the url for the relevant post on June 16–http://red-state.blogspot.com/2008/06/frankly-futile-neo-con-offensive.html.
I’m not as optimistic as other liberal bloggers about Maliki’s statement to der Spiegel being decisive for Obama. But it does put a little bounce in my step.
– Well Daffy, how about it?
– You need to answer soon….that “truthiness” torpedo I launched is about to ram that sheet of moonbat talking points right up your gunnels, and I don’t think hopey changey is going to save you.
Daphne. Fuck yourself. You don’t give a shit about Iraqi’s, so spare us the feigned concern over Iraqi deaths.
What is your point on 53? In the first you seem to be arguing that after 911 the Iranians were ideal negotiating partners. In the second comment you seem to be saying that whatever representative Bush just now sent to Iran could have solved all our problems if he just would have been sent sooner. I mean this must be some magical guy to be able to just fly to Iran and solve problems. You must be of the school of progg thought that has the crazy notion that if you just “talk” to people, you know face to face, that you can change decades of behavior. Well good luck with that one you should try it at your local penitentiary.
That’s really funny, Ric, because both you and I know that the optimal scenario would have been for them to have blocked the surge and watched Amerikkka fail in Iraq.
Alas for the left, it hasn’t worked out that way, as much as they now pay lip service to the brave young killbots.
Bite me.
“Anyway, I wish I had been smart enough”
So many people share this sentiment. Fuck, you’re an idiot. A truly reprehensible piece of vile shit. Nobody cares what you think.
Baracky said for sure the surge would fail. He can’t help but be a little disappointed in his poor judgment. I know I sure would feel stupid.
You claim to much, Ric. The folks in the know about Iraq right now, and notably not among them is your guy Obama, say nothing of the kind vis a vis victory. Did you not read the Kagan’s piece in the WSJ just five days ago now? The Iraqi people have a long way to go and they know it. Ditto the Iraqi army, which is nowhere near what it must be to defend the nation from its external threats.
– Caric – the rest of your screed is the usual [retzle logic trying to turn lemons into shit.
– Bush has stated clearly from the very beginning that “as soon as the Iraqi’a could satnd up, we’d stand down”, so trying now to some how morph that original plan into somehow resonating with Obama’s “I will have the troops out by summer of 2009” is total bullshit.
– Don’t waste the blogsite bandwidth. Nobodies going to buy that.
If so many people share that sentiment, why are they idiots? Or do you have the special memo?
Obama: Judgement To Run Away!!!
I like O! He’d make a fine dog catcher.
“…But it does put a little bounce in my step.
– Forget it Caric. You’ll never get close enough to him to polish the Royal scepter®.
In a laissez faire kind of way.
Pass
Watching a progg comment here blindly following the Narrative and then getting ruthlessly dissected is hilarious. I swear some of you are damn surgeons.
Pass
You Progtards are really weak in an intellectual sense. Nice bumper stickers though.
“If so many people share that sentiment, why are they idiots? Or do you have the special memo?”
– What “so many people” cynn. Are you referring to the 5-10% of our total population that are warbling moonbats?
It did have sort of a poke the hornets nest effect, did’t it Mr. Pink?
In the first you seem to be arguing that after 911 the Iranians were ideal negotiating partners.
The Iranins were with us as far as the Taliban goes.
If you make me prove it you will have to have L/N.
“The Iranins were with us as far as the Taliban goes.”
So why are AQ in Iran?
Oh, that’s why Iranian weapons were intercepted in Afghanistan last spring while on their way to the Taliban. I thought that meant the Iranians were on ‘our side’. You know, boosting Talib confidence so they would swarm out where we could kill them all the more readily.
Back to the point:
Obama is correct
The Bush Administration avoided the option that would have cost fewer lives.
McCain called for more troops during Rumsfeld’s tour, not Kagan’s.
You all are kind of screwed, but whatever.
Obama is empty. Sorry to break the news. There’s just nothing anyone but Obama can do about that.
dre, DUH Iranians don’t equal Taliban.
Keep up.
dre, the pass is on your guys, Dan and the blank shooter.
“Back to the point:
Obama is correct”
Yo ProgTard You are always “right” if you have every position.
“You all are kind of screwed, but whatever.”
– As I said in an earlier thread Daffy. All your lies aren’t going to erase the hours of video tapes of your junior Senator posing as a presidential candidate, and your entire Dummycrap keadership trying endlessly for failure in Iraq.
– It isn’t going to go away, and all your bullshit words aren’t going to be able to erase the record.
– so warble on little moonbat.
– And oh yes….you have us right where we want you. Surrender monkeys to the end.
“dre, DUH Iranians don’t equal Taliban.
Keep up.”
Shia Muslim losers= Sunni Muslim losers= Progtard Sharia losers
– Oh, and BTW Daffy. If you think this little 11th hour 180 on Afghanistan is going to save your cowardly asses, it won’t.
It’s unusual to backpedal in the course of a single comment. Well played.
I’ll also note the moral relativism at work. The surge disproportionately wiped out foreign terrorists and armed thugs. Would the ISG plan have done so?
Daphne, again, you could not care less about Iraqi lives, so give that bullshit a rest.
Yeah, yeah, Daphne. “The Iranians were with us as far as the Taliban goes.” Bullshit. The Iranians have never been “with us” since 1979. Yes, I know, they’re lying through their teeth. None of them believe any of that Great Satan and Mahdi stuff, they just all hate George Bush (just like you) and as soon as the Brown Redeemer cometh they’ll be our bosom buddies.
Except they won’t, of course. I’m going to enjoy watching you find out. I live a long way away from any likely targets. Gonna be hard on the troops, of course, but most of them will get out as soon as possible. Having Wes Clark be influential in picking generals will accelerate that.
As for Maliki, the Spiegel article very likely got it exactly right, then airbrushed it to support Teh Narrative™ (see the Hot Air post). Maliki said he wants the Americans gone as soon as security can be assured. When asked if sixteen months was an appropriate time period, he shrugged and said that sounded about right. The rest of it is just the now-familiar way the World Press treats such things.
Regards,
Ric
– What happened to the Swift boating jabber?
– I gave you the perfect opportunity to put up or shut up?
– Well?
dre, before President Bush put Iran in the Axis of Evil, they were with us.
Prove me wrong.
The Democrats and their media really did do all they could to engineer a humiliating defeat for America. Bush was steadfast and really went to the mat to uphold America’s honor and achieve a really amazing strategic victory in the war on terror. He also engineered a spectacular advance for the cause of freedom. Meanwhile Baracky voted present and then went to the Senate where he didn’t author any major legislation at all. He never even held any hearings for the subcommittee they let him chair.
This really is a case study in comparative time management I think.
“Prove me wrong.”
– Hostages – 413 days – Cartah.
– Next.
I gave you the perfect opportunity to put up or shut up?
– Well?
You are the phunniest guy on the intertubes.
NUPH SAID
– Oh wait. You’re probably not old enough to know about that. I guess that wasn’t fair.
As it turns out, it now appears that they procured Lockerbie, too.
For starters.
Hostages – 413 days – Cartah.
BBH, I meant that you should prove the assertion with a verifiable quote, not your slappy happy nonsense.
Dan just doesn’t get it. Sure everyone on the left wanted Pelosi & Co. to stand up to Bush and end the war last year. Including me. But now that there’s a little stability, the argument for leaving is even better. As for Kagan, he oversold “victory” last month when the surge hadn’t accomplished that much. Needless to say, it’s no surprise that he’s going to oversell “fragility” now that it looks like victory is going to justify withdrawal.
Hey, I certainly give Bush credit. At the end of 2006, Iraq had sunk to a state almost analogous to Somalia as a result of our blundering invasion. Because of the wisdom of President Bush’s surge policy and the greatness of Gen. Petraeus, Iraq is now more like (but not exactly the same as) Columbia in being a fragile but relatively stable situation. I’m also more than willing to acknowledge that such a monumental accomplishment makes President Bush more awesome than Churchill, Lincoln, and George Washington put together.
On the other hand, none of that means that we should be keeping an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq.
“NUPH SAID”
– In other words, when you’re called on it, you’ve got nothing, and you know sKerry was a lying sack of shit.
– Ok, I’ll accept that.
“Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:07 pm #
dre, before President Bush put Iran in the Axis of Evil, they were with us.”
Nice bombs in Argentina, Lebanon and Saudi
Daphne in the interest of comedy please inform me of why you are voting for Obama. Please I beg you.
Your agism is noted.
Ric Moron
“Columbia in being a fragile but relatively stable situation”
Yea so no trade that benefits us you Progtard?
“Your agism is noted.”
Your Kerry/Obama stupidity is showing.
Did my commenting make money for Jeff? I hope so!
I’m going to watch a movie.
I hope Jeff appreciates my help.
“Hostages – 413 days – Cartah….slappy happy nonsense.”
– Of course. Every time one of you SecProgs gets backed into a corner you veer off.
– That is why everyone with a working brain sees very quickly you are simpletons. Not serious people.
– You make statement after statement, and as soon as you’re made a fool of, you’re off on another tangent.
– It must get tiresome, hualing that load of moonbat horseshit around with you where ever you go.
Ric, stop shilly-shallying, wouldn’t you? Bush was right, and fortunately wasn’t mau-maued by you and your ninnyhammers into leaving Iraq to let it become Somalia.
Not that you’d really have minded, mind you, because it would have proved how prescient you defeatist twats were.
Fred Kagan hasn’t oversold anything, your assertions notwithstanding. He has said the current situation is far better than he could reasonably hope it would be. So the Iraqis have come farther faster than he imagined, doesn’t translate to, let’s be leaving before the job is done. Besides, Kagan’s opinion isn’t the opinion that counts, is it? Let’s hear what Gens. Odierno and Petraeus have to say.
“I’m going to watch a movie.”
Yea reality is a bitch, Daphnut?
You hit it right, Big Bang?
I think that was nishi. Why do I think that?
Daphne if you really want to make Jeff some bank you will tell us why you are going to vote for Obama.
no. nishi has a lot more class than that really. And nishi is way way more smart.
sdferr, I clearly watch more PBS than you. I’ve got Kagan’s proposal right here in my hand. He published it, don’t you know.
I have not called anyone a name. dre, what is your problem with females?
It is possible to take on a pose though, hf. To fake it, so to speak, all for a good cause, mind you.
What is your point about Kagan’s proposal, daphne? And yes, you do no doubt watch more PBS than I do, I’ll readily concede. And that has what to do with the price of bagels in China?
I hope you all are clicking on Jeff’s links and serving him up dishes and linens!
Click people click
– dre – Because PW is a “Classic Liberal” blog, as opposed to these ninnies that call themselves Liberals, but are really just made over soft Marxist/Socialists in drag, when they wander in here, since most of them are so narrowly educated they imagine we’re their ideological “brethren”. with the inevitable results you always see.
– “Secular Progressive” – The results of a post modern
indoctrinationeducation.Holy shit, Perfesser Caricature! That was mostly coherent! Whatever you did, do it again.
And then let’s talk about getting our 100K+ troops out of Germany, shall we?
“Jawing Victory from the Snatch of Defeat”
That’s what she said…
– Shes not going to answer you Mr. Pink. She can’t.
Daffy has its Prog Tested™ talking points.
Hey Staphne
Are you a Community Organizer™?
Obama is correct.
Daffy @83 makes a bold, but nonspecific assertion. I say he is wrong. So there.
If she tells me what she’s talking about, I’ll tell her what I’m talking about.
Is that you, Michelle?
“what is your problem with females?’
Not speaking for Dre, but no problem with females here. Just dumb bitches. Note: Perfesser ummmm (However, his #102 was actually coherent) is a dumb bitch, too. Semencleo is a dumb bitch too. You just happen to be dumb AND a female. I hope, at least for your sake, that you’re hot at least.
– Shes like Lurch and that damn form DDs180. He knows if it ever became public he’d probably lose his Senate seat as well.
– But that might happen anyway. O’Reilly might beat his sorry lying ass.
– The amusing thing about young SecProgs that haven’t gotten the memo yet, most of my Dem friends now readily admit that sKerry was a total disaster. Imagine the Democraps running a man married to the daughter of a founder of the Mozambique FREELIMO communist party. (That little tidbit was in the Wikipedia bio for the ketchup slut until some moonbat redacted it).
– Unbelievable.
Good call, Pablo. ESL teacher, alhough, she doesn’t speak it as a first language.
“dre, what is your problem with females?”
What’s your problem with TRUTH!
Obviously Dan just can’t take my agreeing with him. Sure Bush was right about the surge and it only took him six years to be right about something concerning Iraq. He just can’t get too much credit for that. Personally, I think Bush is way more awesome than Charlemagne and Julius Caesar put together. I’m sure historians will see him that way too.
But that doesn’t justify an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq any more than it justifies an American army in Germany. Or Korea. Or Japan.
And who was the genius who decided to make a point about free trade? I think that’s what Obama calls a “distraction.”
– Skip it folks. I think little Daffy went to sit in a pan of warm soapy water.
And we’ve wanted those guys out of there, too, Ric. Only, you know, victorious.
“….Sure Bush was right about the surge…”
– Actually what Bush was “right” about is in showing leadership, you know that little thing hes actually charged with doing, by listening to Patreus and doing what the people on the ground in Iraq wanted him to do.
– And Caric, you need to send your fearless candidate a memo, because just prior to the start of his trip he was still denying the surge had been in anyway, effective.
– It will be interesting to see how fast he can spin when he gets back from the “Magic traveling medicine show”. He runs the risk that if he actually admits Bush was right and the surge is showing unexpected success, his hard Left losers will jump ship like cockroaches scurrying under the sink when the kitchen light is flipped on.
Obama first introduced legislation for a fixed withdrawal plan on January 30, 2007. According to that plan, all combat brigades would have been out of Iraq by March 31, 2008.
It’s one thing to plan a withdrawal once the situation is stable, but on March 31, 2008 the defeatists were proclaiming Basra lost to Iranian backed militias, hardly a point to call victory unless you were looking for defeat.
We went back into Iraq in 2003. The surge was first presented late in 2006. It’s a little more than a year after it’s been in effect, and we’re at 5 years into the war. And the proof is in the pudding. If you accept that the surge worked, you also have to accept that Bush was right in proposing it late in 2006, three and a half years after the resumption of hostilities.
Six years? Who does your math for you, Perfesser?
Oh, and you also have to accept that Obama was wrong in trying to stop it.
This reminds me of one of those long-ago boondockers I went to. This was way out in the desert just outside of Scottsdale. Squatted and got pricked. You know the drill.
I’m sorry that happened to you.
“But that doesn’t justify an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq any more than it justifies an American army in Germany. Or Korea. Or Japan.”
– Oh look fellow war mongers. Its the ole’ “American hegemony” propaganda screed, rearing its dead horse head once again.
– Yes Caric. We know all the Totalitarian regimes get pissed when we interfere with their plans. Whats less understandable is why a portion of our own country, people like yourself, are so twisted educationally, you think it wise to carry the oppressors water.
– Maybe sometime you could set aside all your erudite commentary on Iraq and inform us all of the type of rationalization that brought you to the side of our enemies. You think?
The wider implications of MNF-I successes against AQI and JAM, that is, for those outside Iraq in the wider Arab and Muslim lands ought not to be overlooked. The US is at war with a much broader enemy than the bad guys in Iraq. The effect of their humiliation in defeat at our hands, on their ground, beating them down with the irreplaceable help of their kinsmen and co-religionists will play an increasingly larger role in the eventual outcome of the larger war. So tactical successes can contribute to strategic gains not readily seen ab initio.
The math is easy. Bush started being wrong about Iraq in September 2001. That makes a little more than six years before he got something right. (Of course, none of that means that Bush isn’t more awesome than Henry V or William the Conqueror). During the same time, the only thing that anti-war people like myself got wrong was our failure to anticipate just what unbelievably incompetent, dishonest war criminals the Bush people turned out to be. Otherwise, we nailed the main points really well.
This is instructive.
‘Move On’ Takes Aim at McCain’s Iraq Stance
January 2007, the same time O! was sticking his foot in his mouth.
the only thing that anti-war people like myself got wrong was our failure to anticipate just what unbelievably incompetent, dishonest war criminals the Bush people turned out to be.
You can’t know that without talking to the commanders and the soldiers on the ground. Baracky is assessing the situation. Stand by for refinements.
Oooohhhh! Drama! I like it. When’s the trial?
I’ll bet. Which were those, exactly?
“…we nailed the main points really well.”
– Oh yes. The anti-war people have always done such a good job of inciting aggressiveness in the worlds enemies, ten to a thousand times as many people generally end up dead.
– Good point. 100 million dead in the last century proves nothing comrads!
I forgot to mention how much Protein Wisdom has improved since Karl started doing a lot of the heavy lifting and Jeff Goldstein started doing . . . whatever Jeff does. Without Jeff, there’s more substance, less fluff, and a lot less of the bitter, snotty edge that was such a detriment to the blog.
Well, actually, Prof. Caricature, all you’ve really established is that you never figured out what Bush was driving at or what he wanted, which is why he’s still smiling, making jokes, and having fun. Infuriating, ain’t it?
Funny how the same people who were bleating about “root causes” seven years ago got all hot under the collar when they were actually addressed by someone who knew what they really were.
Regards,
Ric
– Caric, you need to set aside Chomsky for a few days and study India scholars. Start with this from the Hindu Upanishads of life:
“When you meet the Cobra on the road, you may smile and address him as “Mr. Cobra”. He will no doubt smile back, and then bite you anyway.”
How cute. The monkey is throwing feces again.
Leave the perfesser alone, he’s still smarting from Father’s Day!
What Joan said. That title is a contender.
I do have to congratulate Prof. Caricature for having noticed and elucidated one point (Sorry, Dan, he’s right there): “The surge” is a win-win for leftoids. If it hadn’t worked, there’d be lots of bloody wrecks to View with Alarm. Since it did work, they have a two-pronged attack: (1) why didn’t they do that earlier? and (2) well, now we can get out, just like we said.
They never ask the next question: Why did Bush do it anyway? After all, whichever way it goes it’s a clear political loss for him. Since everything they do is predicated on and designed around domestic political motives, the very concept that Bush is not, and has not been, doing it for domestic political advantage is simply unattainable.
And that, in turn, is because they have no concept, and no means of forming any concept, of the matter other than revenge (euphemised as “punishment”). It was wrong to invade Iraq because Iraq never hurt us directly, so we have no excuse for taking revenge on them. The very idea that revenge was not the object does not and cannot penetrate. On the other hand, it was OK (though distasteful) to invade Afghanistan, because the Afghans did hurt us, which makes it OK to hurt them back. And we can’t be unkind to the Iranians until they let off a nuke in New York harbor, whereupon it will be OK to turn Tehran into green glass in retaliation.
Regards,
Ric
Passive aggressive little man I think. Me I have keenly felt Jeff’s absence today. It was that ridiculous NPR story about the fat people in Ohio more than anything, but the Internet generally seemed a lot uninspired. I almost clicked over to Ann Althouse.
I was glad you were around to write this today hf:
“It’s just sad Saddam isn’t here to see Baracky’s triumph. It’s sullied, somehow.”
That alone was worth all the time I’ve spent reading today.
“Otherwise, we nailed the main points really well.”
Isn’t that just too precious!
Ignore that man supporting international terrorism, raping and killing his own people, violating the terms of the cease fire for the First Gulf War the democrats didn’t want to fight either, etc., etc.
Oh yeah, and the ROOT CAUSES, got them figured out real well. Plus the real war, the good war, is in Afghanistan, because there is no Al Qaeda in Iraq, all those insurgents that are being killed are stunt doubles.
“I forgot to mention how much Protein Wisdom has improved since Karl started doing a lot of the heavy lifting and Jeff Goldstein started doing . . . whatever Jeff does.”
Translation – Jeff ate my lunch and mopped the floor with my raggedy white ass on a regular basis, so I’m glad he’s not here quite as much. What a relief!
It sounds maybe funny, Sdferr, but it’s the only tangible Baracky decision-making skills thing from which we can sort of extrapolate what a Baracky’s America will look like. Is the world ready for two Europes though? Is Europe? I think they might react sorta like this guy.
It wasn’t for the invested funny I liked it hf (though the funny is good too), but for what it says that I find true about Obama.
Why I don’t always understand the British, things like ……”they obviously swotted up”……”greasing the maypole”….
Do you think the Samantha Power mentioned in the penultimate paragraph is Barack’s former Samantha Power providing able support?
Nope, evidently not the same. Quelle damage.
Without Jeff, there’s more substance, less fluff, and a lot less of the bitter, snotty edge
His Bitterness has 10 million hits and counting, but I’m sure he could always use a little free advice from someone with a high-volume site like yours.
Overheard in a Fallujah bunker: Hey, does KFC deliver?
Doesn’t look too civil-warry over there these days, Caricature.
(via Tim Blair)
Caricature last October: Iraq is neither self-governing, stable, prosperous, nor an ally in the war on terror…In the final analysis, it seems that adequate words are really hard to find for the horrors of the situation in Iraq.
Here are some adequate words:
You lost.
We won.
Sorry about that.
I don’t know Samantha Power. She’s a modestly successful Irish actress imdb says that’s never worked over here. But I can’t find a picture cause Baracky’s Samantha is monopolizing the Google images. The actress one needs to seriously consider tweaking her name I think. It’s kind of too bad that the Buffy guy has to do that show, but it’s a hit so it’s not all that bad I guess. Just that I don’t think it’s really much in the way of ancillaries. But I don’t think my #161 makes any sense at all if you haven’t seen that show.
Caric last July:
The idea of a free Iraq was always a dream…But it never came into being and may not do so during ou[r] time”.
Caric last July (again):
However you slice it, warmongers like yourself have visited a serious defeat on this country.
Caric last December:
the surge hasn’t changed any of the structural conditions that produced the chaos in 2006 and the first part of 2007
Snicker.
Yeah, KFC opening in Fallujah doesn’t mean shit.
That the surge was a win/win for Leftists is nothing new.
Doesn’t anyone remember back when Richard Clarke became famous, and the Left were all yelling about how Bush had the chance to “do something” to prevent 9-11 by going after Afghanistan, upping airport security, and interviewing “suspicious” flight students?
Thought experiment: imagine the response of the Left if newly-inaugurated President Bush had launched a major, aggressive security operation (both here and abroad), based on shadowy “intel” about a possible terrorist attack, right at the moment when everyone was still screaming about dimpled chads and stolen elections? I suspect the word “fear-mongering” would have been prevalent. Well more prevalent, anyway.
Wow, daph & Ric. This was about as transparently pathetic a leftist tantrum as I’ve seen yet. Bravo.
In other words, you had nothing – and you even fucked that up.
Looks like caricature went back to his no traffic, low content, spider hole-ish web page. Lonely during the summer months when you can’t bully your students into visiting your blog, eh perfesser?
Has daphne responded with anything substantive yet? I admit I skipped down ’cause she was boring and hf is so entertaining.
“Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 9:51 pm #
Obviously Dan just can’t take my agreeing with him. Sure Bush was right about the surge and it only took him six years to be right about something concerning Iraq. He just can’t get too much credit for that. Personally, I think Bush is way more awesome than Charlemagne and Julius Caesar put together. I’m sure historians will see him that way too.”
Then Abraham Lincoln was fucking God, right Ric?
One thing I am certain of perfesser. History 20 years from now will look at your moral disrectitude with the same judgement that you view GWBs moral certainty today.
Iraq is won. Hard work done by better people than you or I will ever be, perfesser. If you have a god, now would be the time to give thanks.
“…the image of the Lord had been replaced by a mirror.â€Â-Borges
And in the end, whatever happens, this war will be argued over to the end of time. Much like ‘Nam. And the real effect of it will be lost on most of the left. Much like “Nam.
So, win-win.
I forgot to mention how much Caric’s site has improved in my mind by virtue of my having learned to ignore it entirely.
So, like the surge, it’s a WIN WIN!
Obvs, I disagree with Caric. I get entirely too much of me, even offsite, and would prefer to read more Jeff.
To be fair to Caric, though, Karl’s stuff does seem to attract the attention of more mainstream conservative outlets for linkage.
Conversely, to be fair to me, I guess I never really expected Townhall or National Review to link to oatmeal confessionals or Billy Jack dialogs or long discourses on intentionalism or identity politics (though Goldberg’s book mirrors much of what I’ve written here over the last 6 years).
In fact, I’m pretty sure it was my insistence that I’d bring Billy Jack to the Denver Post that got me, uh, excused from that group blog — a shame, given that I would have eaten Sirota’s lunch every single day, and done it in a manner that ranged from the pedantic to the surreal. Yet always pointed, regardless of the construct.
But as far as intellectual chops go, there hasn’t been a single time I can recall where Caric hasn’t, while trying to “debate” me, had his ass handed back to him with a bunch of “conservative”-caused welts crisscrossing it like a pair of mesh panties.
— Which, of course, is not to be confused with all his posts declaring victory in our engagements. Those are just par for the course — a kind of therapeutic self-affirmation message one might write in the diary his analyst has told him to keep.
If that analyst were, say, Stuart Smally.
“Then Abraham Lincoln was fucking God,”
No. They were just good friends.
Jeff, that would be like me fighting Caric. You know, actual fighting. Not really much show in that. Now that I think of it, to the new and improved buff Goldstein, it would be similar. Caric’s an intellectual lightweight, but a fat ass at the same time. He’s an paradox, that one.