Donald Douglas at American Power, a companion piece to Karl’s, below:
Today’s big foreign policy spin is the report that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has apparently backed Barack Obama’s amorphous troop withdrawal plan for Iraq.
There’s a malevolently otherworldly reaction to this around the leftosphere, where many appear to suggest that the success of the surge somehow validates the radical left-wing surrender agenda of the Democratic Party and the netroots base. Indeed, the overall response is positively Kafkaesque.
“The Survivor” by George Grosz 1944, Private Collection
In truth, Barack Obama has been consistently wrong on Iraq (see Peter Wehner’s devastating portrait of Obama’s flailing Iraq policy), especially throughout 2007.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 5:43 pm #
Baracky passes the global test. They really do hate us I think.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 5:47 pm #
“”It’s an error,” said K.,” a gross error, to imagine that I’m not in earnest looking for Barnabus. It’s my most urgent wish, really my only wish, to get my business with the authorities properly settled. And Barnabus has to help me in that, most of my hopes are based on him. I grant he has disappointed me greatly once as it is, but that was more my fault that his”
The Castle pg 222
Comment by Americaneocon on 7/19 @ 5:49 pm #
Cool Dan! I’m putting up a thank you link now!
Comment by Brian on 7/19 @ 5:49 pm #
Of course you know that the only reason why we are where we are is because Democrats have effectively enacted their Backseat Driver Diplomacy.
It’s marvelous, really. Claim failure, undermine the effort, mau-mau progress, and then take Credit when it works. Genius!
Comment by MayBee on 7/19 @ 5:55 pm #
It is stuff like what has happened today with this story that illustrates why Obama could feel so confident being against the war in the first place. As long as you aren’t responsible, you can be wrong as often as you like. Eventually, the brass ring will come around again to a spot where you can grab it.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 5:59 pm #
It’s just sad Saddam isn’t here to see Baracky’s triumph. It’s sullied, somehow.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 6:02 pm #
Headline:
“Democrat party shown to be idiots again”
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 6:17 pm #
Question for the progosphere:
“A U.S. official close to the negotiations said this week it could be seen as a “bridging” document to last for perhaps 12-18 months once the U.N. mandate expires.”
Should the UN mandate be extended?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 6:24 pm #
Better still Dre, CAN the UN mandate be extended? Who’s permission, um no, vote, yeah, vote do we have to buy, um, no, not buy, um, I mean, win over…yeah, that’s it, persuasion, we’ll just do it with persuasion. But anyway, who’ld want to stand in the way of such cool idea. UN mandate, that’s the ticket.
Comment by Karl on 7/19 @ 6:33 pm #
Donald Douglas is also right to highlight the screaming obscenity of Spencer Ackerman wishing for Bush’s execution as a war criminal. Note that Ackerman is part of the Sorosphere that just took in his Flophouse roomie, Matt Yglesias. I savor the irony of Ackerman’s bogus accusation of empirialism, while roomie Yglesias was recently dreaming of a US that never left the British Empire.
Comment by Joan of Argghh! on 7/19 @ 6:58 pm #
Yeah, ya’ll talk amongst yourselves. I need nothing more than this awesome blog post title. Well done, Dan! I laugh every time I see it.
Comment by Karl on 7/19 @ 7:17 pm #
Also, I have updated the prior post to reflect that al-Maliki claims he was mistranslated. Media mess-up? Pressure from Smirky? I’m guessing the unhinged go with the latter.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 7:28 pm #
Even foreign languages must be changed so they agree with the Obamasiah. For teh UNITY!!!!
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 7:29 pm #
Here is Susan Rice, on Obama’s website today:
“Senator Obama welcomes Prime Minister Maliki’s support for a 16 month timeline for the redeployment of U.S combat brigades. This presents an important opportunity to transition to Iraqi responsibility, while restoring our military and increasing our commitment to finish the fight in Afghanistan.”
This is what Maliki was responding to as noted in Karl’s update to “Iraqi PM al-Maliki’s comments…etc”
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 7:46 pm #
“Here is Susan Rice”
Rice as a last name means State Dept. braindead.
Comment by Karl on 7/19 @ 7:51 pm #
Lest we forget, during the Clinton administration, Rice’s policy decisions led to the failure to capitalize on Sudan’s offer to allow FBI and CIA counter-terrorism units unfettered and unconditional access to Khartoum’s intelligence during the period when Sudan was trying to hand Osama bin Laden over to the US.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 7:53 pm #
There was a less bloody alternative to the Kagan surge. McCain supported the bloodier choice.
Iraq is partitioned, refugees are unable to return to their homes, many are dead just to prove a point.
I wait for you all to either 1) declare that the Iraqis want what Obama is proposing because the surge worked or 2) declare that Maliki is either not in charge or was misquoted.
Oh, wait. #2 is already in the works.
The plan advanced by the Baker-Hamilton group had the potential to save lives. Now we will never know. What we do know is that the Kagan surge cost lives, both American and Iraqi.
Celebrate your asses off.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 7:56 pm #
Baracky’s plan was just to let them all die in a bloody orgy of Bush capability. Baracky is the mostest genocide-friendly one. Tyranny is just a bonus.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 7:57 pm #
ohnoes. I meant Bush culpability. But Baracky is still the mostest genocide-friendly one.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 7:59 pm #
Y’know K, Condoleezza Rice (wow, two z’s, who knew?) is turning out to be something of a disappointment for me as well. I harbored great hope for her tenure at State after a long string of underwhelming predecessors, but alas, the “braindeads” dre alludes to have captured her, or she allowed herself to be captured, whichever it is.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:00 pm #
Daphne are you trying to say that without the surge it would have been
“less bloody”? You are living in a fantasy world if you think that one.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:02 pm #
happyfeet, you ignore the fact that the surge was bloody at the beginning, and the fact that someone like Kagan proposed it (that General guy that signed on? easily swiftboated, they just used him for cover).
President Bush allowed the wholesale killing and emmigration of Iraqis that exists now. President Bush allowed the partitioning of neighborhoods.
Imagine a race war and the government building walls between communities in large cities.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:04 pm #
“…Less bloody alternative…”
Not if Iraq’s enemies had anything to say about it, which of course, they did. Though not so much anymore.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:05 pm #
“Celebrate your asses off.”
Is your name Rice?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:05 pm #
What does “…someone like Kagan…” mean here, Daphne?
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:07 pm #
“Imagine a race war and the government building walls between communities in large cities.”
Like West Berlin?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:07 pm #
Daphne on 22 instead of typing all those words you should just say “I HATE BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!111!!!!!” I am sure if we had followed the wonderful words of Obama that none of that would have happened.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:09 pm #
Daphne
Are you naturally stupid or was the public school system helpful?
Comment by alppuccino on 7/19 @ 8:09 pm #
President Bush allowed the wholesale killing and emmigration of Iraqis that exists now.
How can you emigrate after you’ve been killed and then continue to exist?
I’m just kidding daphne, you seem like a good sport.
OK, I was just kidding there, too.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:09 pm #
Why is Obama not levitating over Iraq and making it rain manna? That would stop the violence right now.
Comment by geoffb on 7/19 @ 8:10 pm #
Darn it, miss just one memo and the narrative changes again. The past is changing so fast now it’s becoming a blur.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:11 pm #
“There was a less bloody alternative to the Kagan surge. McCain supported the bloodier choice.”
- By which you mean the “less bloody” approach of leaving the Iraqi’s to the fates of alQaeda and Iran backed militias, potentially resulting in millions more dead. Asshole.
- Well I guess when you blow people up theres less visible blood.
- We stayed and finished the job you surrender monkeys were to frightened to do, and we are cheering, both your stupidity and the better chance at life for Iraq.
- Go fuck yourself cowardas.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:12 pm #
I don’t think I like daphne’s attitude. Baracky would have had that poor little country trapped forever in hopeless tyranny. Baracky is not a good-hearted person. He is evil I think. This is why he and his woman hate America so much.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:14 pm #
Sdferr, it’s trying to prove a negative — the alternative wasn’t tried. The Baker-Hamilton plan, backed by numerous people from all sides — wasn’t tried. President Bush decided instead to go with Fred Kagan’s plan. (btw, McCain didn’t actually back Kagan’s plan back in the day. McCain was just carping about Rumsfeld at the time, but hey, McCain gets credit nonetheless.)
dre, no.
Sdferr, someone like Kagan means a thinktank type who just ignors large points. Do you know who he is? He’s been on PBS a lot. I’d think you would understand who the surge author was. Maybe I was wrong?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:14 pm #
The Iraq Study Group? Yes that was a collection of geniuses. I mean pleading with the Iranians for “help”, whats not to love about that idea? It is obvious they are open to negotions on other issues like their nuclear program, on funding Hamas, and on shipping IED’s into Iraq. Only an idiot would think that we could not engage them in “aggressive diplomacy” in order to persuade them to help us in Iraq as well.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:15 pm #
“America is mean country”
Yea bitch right up there with the Mothaf**kin’ land Zimbabwe.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:16 pm #
Oh well we’ll never know. Guess we’ll just have to settle for victory and a shiny nascent democracy. Darn it.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/19 @ 8:16 pm #
happy,
I saw some footage of Barry at some State-Fair-looking function (he was wearing a Sox hat, maybe you’ve seen it) and he was just walking. But he knew the cameras were on him and though there was no sound, you could here him thinking “I’m going to be the most powerful man in the world.” It was uncomfortable.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:16 pm #
Like West Berlin?
no, for obvious reasons.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:16 pm #
“President Bush decided instead to go with Fred Kagan’s plan.”
It fuckin’ worked douche hag.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:17 pm #
no, for obvious reasons.
Which are one talkingprognote?
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:18 pm #
He’s the fucking anti-Christ, al. I’m not sure how you’re supposed to reapportion your 401k for that.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:18 pm #
Mr. Pink, I supported President Bush taking advise from the Baker-Hamilton report. That you decide that I hate President Bush is your problem, not mine.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:18 pm #
“…easily swiftboated..”
- Hit the troll alarm….man the battle stations…..Buuuuwuuupppp bbbuuuuwwwwuuuppp…dive dive…..Ass-shouls ahead….
Comment by alppuccino on 7/19 @ 8:20 pm #
……remember, like in 3rd grade and you would play pretend, maybe like you were a cowboy who just got done beating an Indian at Indian-wrestling and so you’re walking back to the ranch all pensive, yet heroic? I think that was the look Obama was going for. I’m finished now.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:20 pm #
James Baker gives lots of advice. He’s sort of an advice slut really.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:21 pm #
This “…someone like Kagan means a thinktank type who just ignors large points…” is all I was looking for from you, thanks. It maybe that I know a good deal more about Fred Kagan than you either know or imagine. I just found your phrase a little strange is all, particularlly in that it didn’t hint in the least at “…a thinktank type who just ignors large points…”.
No-one will expect you to prove a negative. They will expect you to be clear as to what you are referring to when you thunder down assertions from your high perch on the clouds, however.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:22 pm #
“I supported President Bush taking advise from the Baker-Hamilton report.”
You ain’t smart enough to be President Bush.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/19 @ 8:22 pm #
James Baker gives lots of advice. He’s sort of an advice slut really.
But it is another nice bullet point on Obama’s resume:
–Once took advice from James Baker
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:22 pm #
- Tell you what Daffy. We’ve been sending form 180’s tp sKerry for almost three years now, and he keeps losing them. Maybe we could get you to send them to him, and you could ask him if everything that he was exposed for was all lies why he doesn’t just issue his navy records UNALTERED, and then we’d just have to admit we were wrong.
- Deal?
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 8:23 pm #
BBH, I really don’t think you want to pilot this vessel directly into the ass shoals, do you? And if you do, do you intend to blow the ballast or fire torpedoes?
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:24 pm #
Obama’s resume
heh.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:24 pm #
advice, sorry.
I mean pleading with the Iranians for “helpâ€Â, whats not to love about that idea?
After 9/11, the Iranians were very cooperative. they didn’t like the Taliban either.
It is obvious they are open to negotions on other issues like their nuclear program, on funding Hamas, and on shipping IED’s into Iraq.
And this weekend, late in President Bush’s term, he sends a representative.
Only an idiot would think that we could not engage them in “aggressive diplomacy†in order to persuade them to help us in Iraq as well.
I don’t think that means what you think it means.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 8:24 pm #
At any rate, I’d beware of depth charges.
Comment by alppuccino on 7/19 @ 8:26 pm #
And this weekend, late in President Bush’s term, he sends a representative.
I don’t think this means what you think it means.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:27 pm #
“After 9/11, the Iranians were very cooperative.”
Yea I always believe what hardcore Muslims say about the infidels. Dumber than a block of wood Progs.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:28 pm #
And really, it should be said, not all of the thinking that went into the counter-insurgency strategy adopted by Pres. Bush sprang fully formed from the head of Fred Kagan. He for one, would not let that be said. Gen Petraeus got to put his two cents in. Ditto Gen.’s Odierno, Keane, Pace, and so on.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:28 pm #
- Dan, I was going to pretend we were a boatload of
brainfart LiberalsSecProgs and either pretend they weren’t there and drive through them or go under them using the MagicNegro wandâ„¢.Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:29 pm #
“formed from the head of Fred Kagan.”
NeoCon don’t you know? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:31 pm #
It maybe that I know a good deal more about Fred Kagan than you either know or imagine.
I’m not touching that with a ten-foot pole.
BBH, I really don’t think you want to pilot this vessel directly into the ass shoals, do you? And if you do, do you intend to blow the ballast or fire torpedoes?
ditto
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:32 pm #
I had just that thought pass through, dre, but thought it best to ask first.
Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 8:32 pm #
I know this is going to strike Dan as surprising. But the surge was always a win/win game for war opponents. Further, the conduct of the right has been instrumental in insuring that the anti-war argument would win. Of course, if the surge did not succeed, that would have reinforced previous arguments for withdrawing American forces. But if the surge was a success, that was going to provide even more justification for withdrawing American troops. It’s an obvious point. If Iraq became more stable, then there’s LESS NEED for American troops in Iraq.
This is where the right-wing comes in. The right has been advertising any progress associated with the surge as “VICTORY IN IRAQ” since July or August 2007. As a result of conservative over-selling of the “new stability in Iraq,” the conventional wisdom changed from “Iraq’s so bad we need to leave to “Iraq’s so good we can leave now.” Maybe MoveOn.org should hold a reception for Michael Yon and Frederick Kagan after all the troops are out.
Of course, the dolts in the Bush administration made their contribution by driving an insanely hard bargain in their initial draft of the Status of Forces Agreement and offending practically everybody in Iraq. Right now, it looks like Maliki’s decided that the Bush people aren’t worth the aggravation and is going to use the increased stability as an excuse to blow off the Bush administration altogether. It was Maliki’s statement about timetables for withdrawal a week or two ago that inspired Obama to change his justification for withdrawing troops. The Reuters story today was just the icing on the cake.
By the way, I’m counting down the days (maybe hours) until someone on the right accuses al-Maliki of being “ungrateful.” Maliki must be taking lessons from Michelle Obama.
Anyway, I wish I had been smart enough to predict all this before the surge was implemented. But I did see the pattern developing last month from reading a Frederick Kagan article and wrote about it on my own blog. Here’s the url for the relevant post on June 16–http://red-state.blogspot.com/2008/06/frankly-futile-neo-con-offensive.html.
I’m not as optimistic as other liberal bloggers about Maliki’s statement to der Spiegel being decisive for Obama. But it does put a little bounce in my step.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:33 pm #
- Well Daffy, how about it?
- You need to answer soon….that “truthiness” torpedo I launched is about to ram that sheet of moonbat talking points right up your gunnels, and I don’t think hopey changey is going to save you.
Comment by You can dooo it!!!! on 7/19 @ 8:33 pm #
Daphne. Fuck yourself. You don’t give a shit about Iraqi’s, so spare us the feigned concern over Iraqi deaths.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:33 pm #
What is your point on 53? In the first you seem to be arguing that after 911 the Iranians were ideal negotiating partners. In the second comment you seem to be saying that whatever representative Bush just now sent to Iran could have solved all our problems if he just would have been sent sooner. I mean this must be some magical guy to be able to just fly to Iran and solve problems. You must be of the school of progg thought that has the crazy notion that if you just “talk” to people, you know face to face, that you can change decades of behavior. Well good luck with that one you should try it at your local penitentiary.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 8:34 pm #
That’s really funny, Ric, because both you and I know that the optimal scenario would have been for them to have blocked the surge and watched Amerikkka fail in Iraq.
Alas for the left, it hasn’t worked out that way, as much as they now pay lip service to the brave young killbots.
Bite me.
Comment by You can dooo it!!!! on 7/19 @ 8:35 pm #
“Anyway, I wish I had been smart enough”
So many people share this sentiment. Fuck, you’re an idiot. A truly reprehensible piece of vile shit. Nobody cares what you think.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 8:38 pm #
Baracky said for sure the surge would fail. He can’t help but be a little disappointed in his poor judgment. I know I sure would feel stupid.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:38 pm #
You claim to much, Ric. The folks in the know about Iraq right now, and notably not among them is your guy Obama, say nothing of the kind vis a vis victory. Did you not read the Kagan’s piece in the WSJ just five days ago now? The Iraqi people have a long way to go and they know it. Ditto the Iraqi army, which is nowhere near what it must be to defend the nation from its external threats.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:39 pm #
- Caric - the rest of your screed is the usual [retzle logic trying to turn lemons into shit.
- Bush has stated clearly from the very beginning that “as soon as the Iraqi’a could satnd up, we’d stand down”, so trying now to some how morph that original plan into somehow resonating with Obama’s “I will have the troops out by summer of 2009″ is total bullshit.
- Don’t waste the blogsite bandwidth. Nobodies going to buy that.
Comment by cynn on 7/19 @ 8:40 pm #
If so many people share that sentiment, why are they idiots? Or do you have the special memo?
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 8:41 pm #
Obama: Judgement To Run Away!!!
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:42 pm #
I like O! He’d make a fine dog catcher.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:42 pm #
“…But it does put a little bounce in my step.
- Forget it Caric. You’ll never get close enough to him to polish the Royal scepter®.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 8:43 pm #
In a laissez faire kind of way.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:45 pm #
Pass
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 8:46 pm #
Watching a progg comment here blindly following the Narrative and then getting ruthlessly dissected is hilarious. I swear some of you are damn surgeons.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:47 pm #
Pass
You Progtards are really weak in an intellectual sense. Nice bumper stickers though.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:48 pm #
“If so many people share that sentiment, why are they idiots? Or do you have the special memo?”
- What “so many people” cynn. Are you referring to the 5-10% of our total population that are warbling moonbats?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:48 pm #
It did have sort of a poke the hornets nest effect, did’t it Mr. Pink?
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:49 pm #
In the first you seem to be arguing that after 911 the Iranians were ideal negotiating partners.
The Iranins were with us as far as the Taliban goes.
If you make me prove it you will have to have L/N.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:50 pm #
“The Iranins were with us as far as the Taliban goes.”
So why are AQ in Iran?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:52 pm #
Oh, that’s why Iranian weapons were intercepted in Afghanistan last spring while on their way to the Taliban. I thought that meant the Iranians were on ‘our side’. You know, boosting Talib confidence so they would swarm out where we could kill them all the more readily.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:53 pm #
Back to the point:
Obama is correct
The Bush Administration avoided the option that would have cost fewer lives.
McCain called for more troops during Rumsfeld’s tour, not Kagan’s.
You all are kind of screwed, but whatever.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 8:54 pm #
Obama is empty. Sorry to break the news. There’s just nothing anyone but Obama can do about that.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:55 pm #
dre, DUH Iranians don’t equal Taliban.
Keep up.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 8:58 pm #
dre, the pass is on your guys, Dan and the blank shooter.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 8:58 pm #
“Back to the point:
Obama is correct”
Yo ProgTard You are always “right” if you have every position.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 8:58 pm #
“You all are kind of screwed, but whatever.”
- As I said in an earlier thread Daffy. All your lies aren’t going to erase the hours of video tapes of your junior Senator posing as a presidential candidate, and your entire Dummycrap keadership trying endlessly for failure in Iraq.
- It isn’t going to go away, and all your bullshit words aren’t going to be able to erase the record.
- so warble on little moonbat.
- And oh yes….you have us right where we want you. Surrender monkeys to the end.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:00 pm #
“dre, DUH Iranians don’t equal Taliban.
Keep up.”
Shia Muslim losers= Sunni Muslim losers= Progtard Sharia losers
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:02 pm #
- Oh, and BTW Daffy. If you think this little 11th hour 180 on Afghanistan is going to save your cowardly asses, it won’t.
Comment by Karl on 7/19 @ 9:03 pm #
It’s unusual to backpedal in the course of a single comment. Well played.
I’ll also note the moral relativism at work. The surge disproportionately wiped out foreign terrorists and armed thugs. Would the ISG plan have done so?
Comment by You can dooo it!!!! on 7/19 @ 9:03 pm #
Daphne, again, you could not care less about Iraqi lives, so give that bullshit a rest.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/19 @ 9:06 pm #
Yeah, yeah, Daphne. “The Iranians were with us as far as the Taliban goes.” Bullshit. The Iranians have never been “with us” since 1979. Yes, I know, they’re lying through their teeth. None of them believe any of that Great Satan and Mahdi stuff, they just all hate George Bush (just like you) and as soon as the Brown Redeemer cometh they’ll be our bosom buddies.
Except they won’t, of course. I’m going to enjoy watching you find out. I live a long way away from any likely targets. Gonna be hard on the troops, of course, but most of them will get out as soon as possible. Having Wes Clark be influential in picking generals will accelerate that.
As for Maliki, the Spiegel article very likely got it exactly right, then airbrushed it to support Teh Narrative™ (see the Hot Air post). Maliki said he wants the Americans gone as soon as security can be assured. When asked if sixteen months was an appropriate time period, he shrugged and said that sounded about right. The rest of it is just the now-familiar way the World Press treats such things.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:06 pm #
- What happened to the Swift boating jabber?
- I gave you the perfect opportunity to put up or shut up?
- Well?
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:07 pm #
dre, before President Bush put Iran in the Axis of Evil, they were with us.
Prove me wrong.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 9:08 pm #
The Democrats and their media really did do all they could to engineer a humiliating defeat for America. Bush was steadfast and really went to the mat to uphold America’s honor and achieve a really amazing strategic victory in the war on terror. He also engineered a spectacular advance for the cause of freedom. Meanwhile Baracky voted present and then went to the Senate where he didn’t author any major legislation at all. He never even held any hearings for the subcommittee they let him chair.
This really is a case study in comparative time management I think.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:09 pm #
“Prove me wrong.”
- Hostages - 413 days - Cartah.
- Next.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:10 pm #
I gave you the perfect opportunity to put up or shut up?
- Well?
You are the phunniest guy on the intertubes.
NUPH SAID
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:11 pm #
- Oh wait. You’re probably not old enough to know about that. I guess that wasn’t fair.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 9:13 pm #
As it turns out, it now appears that they procured Lockerbie, too.
For starters.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:13 pm #
Hostages - 413 days - Cartah.
BBH, I meant that you should prove the assertion with a verifiable quote, not your slappy happy nonsense.
Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 9:13 pm #
Dan just doesn’t get it. Sure everyone on the left wanted Pelosi & Co. to stand up to Bush and end the war last year. Including me. But now that there’s a little stability, the argument for leaving is even better. As for Kagan, he oversold “victory” last month when the surge hadn’t accomplished that much. Needless to say, it’s no surprise that he’s going to oversell “fragility” now that it looks like victory is going to justify withdrawal.
Hey, I certainly give Bush credit. At the end of 2006, Iraq had sunk to a state almost analogous to Somalia as a result of our blundering invasion. Because of the wisdom of President Bush’s surge policy and the greatness of Gen. Petraeus, Iraq is now more like (but not exactly the same as) Columbia in being a fragile but relatively stable situation. I’m also more than willing to acknowledge that such a monumental accomplishment makes President Bush more awesome than Churchill, Lincoln, and George Washington put together.
On the other hand, none of that means that we should be keeping an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:13 pm #
“NUPH SAID”
- In other words, when you’re called on it, you’ve got nothing, and you know sKerry was a lying sack of shit.
- Ok, I’ll accept that.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:14 pm #
“Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:07 pm #
dre, before President Bush put Iran in the Axis of Evil, they were with us.”
Nice bombs in Argentina, Lebanon and Saudi
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 9:15 pm #
Daphne in the interest of comedy please inform me of why you are voting for Obama. Please I beg you.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:15 pm #
Your agism is noted.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:16 pm #
Ric Moron
“Columbia in being a fragile but relatively stable situation”
Yea so no trade that benefits us you Progtard?
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:17 pm #
“Your agism is noted.”
Your Kerry/Obama stupidity is showing.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:17 pm #
Did my commenting make money for Jeff? I hope so!
I’m going to watch a movie.
I hope Jeff appreciates my help.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:19 pm #
“Hostages - 413 days - Cartah….slappy happy nonsense.”
- Of course. Every time one of you SecProgs gets backed into a corner you veer off.
- That is why everyone with a working brain sees very quickly you are simpletons. Not serious people.
- You make statement after statement, and as soon as you’re made a fool of, you’re off on another tangent.
- It must get tiresome, hualing that load of moonbat horseshit around with you where ever you go.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 9:19 pm #
Ric, stop shilly-shallying, wouldn’t you? Bush was right, and fortunately wasn’t mau-maued by you and your ninnyhammers into leaving Iraq to let it become Somalia.
Not that you’d really have minded, mind you, because it would have proved how prescient you defeatist twats were.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 9:20 pm #
Fred Kagan hasn’t oversold anything, your assertions notwithstanding. He has said the current situation is far better than he could reasonably hope it would be. So the Iraqis have come farther faster than he imagined, doesn’t translate to, let’s be leaving before the job is done. Besides, Kagan’s opinion isn’t the opinion that counts, is it? Let’s hear what Gens. Odierno and Petraeus have to say.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:20 pm #
“I’m going to watch a movie.”
Yea reality is a bitch, Daphnut?
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:22 pm #
You hit it right, Big Bang?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 9:22 pm #
I think that was nishi. Why do I think that?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 7/19 @ 9:24 pm #
Daphne if you really want to make Jeff some bank you will tell us why you are going to vote for Obama.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 9:25 pm #
no. nishi has a lot more class than that really. And nishi is way way more smart.
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:26 pm #
sdferr, I clearly watch more PBS than you. I’ve got Kagan’s proposal right here in my hand. He published it, don’t you know.
I have not called anyone a name. dre, what is your problem with females?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 9:26 pm #
It is possible to take on a pose though, hf. To fake it, so to speak, all for a good cause, mind you.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 9:28 pm #
What is your point about Kagan’s proposal, daphne? And yes, you do no doubt watch more PBS than I do, I’ll readily concede. And that has what to do with the price of bagels in China?
Comment by daphne on 7/19 @ 9:29 pm #
I hope you all are clicking on Jeff’s links and serving him up dishes and linens!
Click people click
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:29 pm #
- dre - Because PW is a “Classic Liberal” blog, as opposed to these ninnies that call themselves Liberals, but are really just made over soft Marxist/Socialists in drag, when they wander in here, since most of them are so narrowly educated they imagine we’re their ideological “brethren”. with the inevitable results you always see.
- “Secular Progressive” - The results of a post modern
indoctrinationeducation.Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 9:31 pm #
Holy shit, Perfesser Caricature! That was mostly coherent! Whatever you did, do it again.
And then let’s talk about getting our 100K+ troops out of Germany, shall we?
Comment by Patrick Carroll on 7/19 @ 9:32 pm #
“Jawing Victory from the Snatch of Defeat”
That’s what she said…
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:34 pm #
- Shes not going to answer you Mr. Pink. She can’t.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:35 pm #
Daffy has its Prog Tested™ talking points.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:37 pm #
Hey Staphne
Are you a Community Organizer™?
Comment by daleyrocks on 7/19 @ 9:38 pm #
Obama is correct.
Daffy @83 makes a bold, but nonspecific assertion. I say he is wrong. So there.
If she tells me what she’s talking about, I’ll tell her what I’m talking about.
Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 9:40 pm #
Is that you, Michelle?
Comment by You can dooo it!!!! on 7/19 @ 9:41 pm #
“what is your problem with females?’
Not speaking for Dre, but no problem with females here. Just dumb bitches. Note: Perfesser ummmm (However, his #102 was actually coherent) is a dumb bitch, too. Semencleo is a dumb bitch too. You just happen to be dumb AND a female. I hope, at least for your sake, that you’re hot at least.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:42 pm #
- Shes like Lurch and that damn form DDs180. He knows if it ever became public he’d probably lose his Senate seat as well.
- But that might happen anyway. O’Reilly might beat his sorry lying ass.
- The amusing thing about young SecProgs that haven’t gotten the memo yet, most of my Dem friends now readily admit that sKerry was a total disaster. Imagine the Democraps running a man married to the daughter of a founder of the Mozambique FREELIMO communist party. (That little tidbit was in the Wikipedia bio for the ketchup slut until some moonbat redacted it).
- Unbelievable.
Comment by You can dooo it!!!! on 7/19 @ 9:43 pm #
Good call, Pablo. ESL teacher, alhough, she doesn’t speak it as a first language.
Comment by dre on 7/19 @ 9:46 pm #
“dre, what is your problem with females?”
What’s your problem with TRUTH!
Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 9:51 pm #
Obviously Dan just can’t take my agreeing with him. Sure Bush was right about the surge and it only took him six years to be right about something concerning Iraq. He just can’t get too much credit for that. Personally, I think Bush is way more awesome than Charlemagne and Julius Caesar put together. I’m sure historians will see him that way too.
But that doesn’t justify an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq any more than it justifies an American army in Germany. Or Korea. Or Japan.
And who was the genius who decided to make a point about free trade? I think that’s what Obama calls a “distraction.”
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 9:51 pm #
- Skip it folks. I think little Daffy went to sit in a pan of warm soapy water.
Comment by Dan Collins on 7/19 @ 9:56 pm #
And we’ve wanted those guys out of there, too, Ric. Only, you know, victorious.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 10:00 pm #
“….Sure Bush was right about the surge…”
- Actually what Bush was “right” about is in showing leadership, you know that little thing hes actually charged with doing, by listening to Patreus and doing what the people on the ground in Iraq wanted him to do.
- And Caric, you need to send your fearless candidate a memo, because just prior to the start of his trip he was still denying the surge had been in anyway, effective.
- It will be interesting to see how fast he can spin when he gets back from the “Magic traveling medicine show”. He runs the risk that if he actually admits Bush was right and the surge is showing unexpected success, his hard Left losers will jump ship like cockroaches scurrying under the sink when the kitchen light is flipped on.
Comment by Neo on 7/19 @ 10:01 pm #
Obama first introduced legislation for a fixed withdrawal plan on January 30, 2007. According to that plan, all combat brigades would have been out of Iraq by March 31, 2008.
It’s one thing to plan a withdrawal once the situation is stable, but on March 31, 2008 the defeatists were proclaiming Basra lost to Iranian backed militias, hardly a point to call victory unless you were looking for defeat.
Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 10:02 pm #
We went back into Iraq in 2003. The surge was first presented late in 2006. It’s a little more than a year after it’s been in effect, and we’re at 5 years into the war. And the proof is in the pudding. If you accept that the surge worked, you also have to accept that Bush was right in proposing it late in 2006, three and a half years after the resumption of hostilities.
Six years? Who does your math for you, Perfesser?
Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 10:04 pm #
Oh, and you also have to accept that Obama was wrong in trying to stop it.
Comment by cynn on 7/19 @ 10:10 pm #
This reminds me of one of those long-ago boondockers I went to. This was way out in the desert just outside of Scottsdale. Squatted and got pricked. You know the drill.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 10:17 pm #
I’m sorry that happened to you.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 10:17 pm #
“But that doesn’t justify an occupation army of more than 100,000 troops in Iraq any more than it justifies an American army in Germany. Or Korea. Or Japan.”
- Oh look fellow war mongers. Its the ole’ “American hegemony” propaganda screed, rearing its dead horse head once again.
- Yes Caric. We know all the Totalitarian regimes get pissed when we interfere with their plans. Whats less understandable is why a portion of our own country, people like yourself, are so twisted educationally, you think it wise to carry the oppressors water.
- Maybe sometime you could set aside all your erudite commentary on Iraq and inform us all of the type of rationalization that brought you to the side of our enemies. You think?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 10:17 pm #
The wider implications of MNF-I successes against AQI and JAM, that is, for those outside Iraq in the wider Arab and Muslim lands ought not to be overlooked. The US is at war with a much broader enemy than the bad guys in Iraq. The effect of their humiliation in defeat at our hands, on their ground, beating them down with the irreplaceable help of their kinsmen and co-religionists will play an increasingly larger role in the eventual outcome of the larger war. So tactical successes can contribute to strategic gains not readily seen ab initio.
Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 10:24 pm #
The math is easy. Bush started being wrong about Iraq in September 2001. That makes a little more than six years before he got something right. (Of course, none of that means that Bush isn’t more awesome than Henry V or William the Conqueror). During the same time, the only thing that anti-war people like myself got wrong was our failure to anticipate just what unbelievably incompetent, dishonest war criminals the Bush people turned out to be. Otherwise, we nailed the main points really well.
Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 10:26 pm #
This is instructive.
‘Move On’ Takes Aim at McCain’s Iraq Stance
January 2007, the same time O! was sticking his foot in his mouth.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 10:30 pm #
the only thing that anti-war people like myself got wrong was our failure to anticipate just what unbelievably incompetent, dishonest war criminals the Bush people turned out to be.
You can’t know that without talking to the commanders and the soldiers on the ground. Baracky is assessing the situation. Stand by for refinements.
Comment by Pablo on 7/19 @ 10:30 pm #
Oooohhhh! Drama! I like it. When’s the trial?
I’ll bet. Which were those, exactly?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 10:30 pm #
“…we nailed the main points really well.”
- Oh yes. The anti-war people have always done such a good job of inciting aggressiveness in the worlds enemies, ten to a thousand times as many people generally end up dead.
- Good point. 100 million dead in the last century proves nothing comrads!
Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 10:39 pm #
I forgot to mention how much Protein Wisdom has improved since Karl started doing a lot of the heavy lifting and Jeff Goldstein started doing . . . whatever Jeff does. Without Jeff, there’s more substance, less fluff, and a lot less of the bitter, snotty edge that was such a detriment to the blog.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/19 @ 10:43 pm #
Well, actually, Prof. Caricature, all you’ve really established is that you never figured out what Bush was driving at or what he wanted, which is why he’s still smiling, making jokes, and having fun. Infuriating, ain’t it?
Funny how the same people who were bleating about “root causes” seven years ago got all hot under the collar when they were actually addressed by someone who knew what they really were.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 7/19 @ 10:49 pm #
- Caric, you need to set aside Chomsky for a few days and study India scholars. Start with this from the Hindu Upanishads of life:
“When you meet the Cobra on the road, you may smile and address him as “Mr. Cobra”. He will no doubt smile back, and then bite you anyway.”
Comment by RTO Trainer on 7/19 @ 10:54 pm #
How cute. The monkey is throwing feces again.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/19 @ 10:57 pm #
Leave the perfesser alone, he’s still smarting from Father’s Day!
Comment by peter jackson on 7/19 @ 11:05 pm #
What Joan said. That title is a contender.
Comment by Ric Locke on 7/19 @ 11:14 pm #
I do have to congratulate Prof. Caricature for having noticed and elucidated one point (Sorry, Dan, he’s right there): “The surge” is a win-win for leftoids. If it hadn’t worked, there’d be lots of bloody wrecks to View with Alarm. Since it did work, they have a two-pronged attack: (1) why didn’t they do that earlier? and (2) well, now we can get out, just like we said.
They never ask the next question: Why did Bush do it anyway? After all, whichever way it goes it’s a clear political loss for him. Since everything they do is predicated on and designed around domestic political motives, the very concept that Bush is not, and has not been, doing it for domestic political advantage is simply unattainable.
And that, in turn, is because they have no concept, and no means of forming any concept, of the matter other than revenge (euphemised as “punishment”). It was wrong to invade Iraq because Iraq never hurt us directly, so we have no excuse for taking revenge on them. The very idea that revenge was not the object does not and cannot penetrate. On the other hand, it was OK (though distasteful) to invade Afghanistan, because the Afghans did hurt us, which makes it OK to hurt them back. And we can’t be unkind to the Iranians until they let off a nuke in New York harbor, whereupon it will be OK to turn Tehran into green glass in retaliation.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 11:15 pm #
Passive aggressive little man I think. Me I have keenly felt Jeff’s absence today. It was that ridiculous NPR story about the fat people in Ohio more than anything, but the Internet generally seemed a lot uninspired. I almost clicked over to Ann Althouse.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 11:23 pm #
I was glad you were around to write this today hf:
“It’s just sad Saddam isn’t here to see Baracky’s triumph. It’s sullied, somehow.”
That alone was worth all the time I’ve spent reading today.
Comment by daleyrocks on 7/19 @ 11:27 pm #
“Otherwise, we nailed the main points really well.”
Isn’t that just too precious!
Ignore that man supporting international terrorism, raping and killing his own people, violating the terms of the cease fire for the First Gulf War the democrats didn’t want to fight either, etc., etc.
Oh yeah, and the ROOT CAUSES, got them figured out real well. Plus the real war, the good war, is in Afghanistan, because there is no Al Qaeda in Iraq, all those insurgents that are being killed are stunt doubles.
Comment by daleyrocks on 7/19 @ 11:32 pm #
“I forgot to mention how much Protein Wisdom has improved since Karl started doing a lot of the heavy lifting and Jeff Goldstein started doing . . . whatever Jeff does.”
Translation - Jeff ate my lunch and mopped the floor with my raggedy white ass on a regular basis, so I’m glad he’s not here quite as much. What a relief!
Comment by happyfeet on 7/19 @ 11:34 pm #
It sounds maybe funny, Sdferr, but it’s the only tangible Baracky decision-making skills thing from which we can sort of extrapolate what a Baracky’s America will look like. Is the world ready for two Europes though? Is Europe? I think they might react sorta like this guy.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 11:40 pm #
It wasn’t for the invested funny I liked it hf (though the funny is good too), but for what it says that I find true about Obama.
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 11:47 pm #
Why I don’t always understand the British, things like ……”they obviously swotted up”……”greasing the maypole”….
Do you think the Samantha Power mentioned in the penultimate paragraph is Barack’s former Samantha Power providing able support?
Comment by Sdferr on 7/19 @ 11:51 pm #
Nope, evidently not the same. Quelle damage.
Comment by Aldo on 7/19 @ 11:54 pm #
Without Jeff, there’s more substance, less fluff, and a lot less of the bitter, snotty edge
His Bitterness has 10 million hits and counting, but I’m sure he could always use a little free advice from someone with a high-volume site like yours.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 7/20 @ 1:14 am #
Overheard in a Fallujah bunker: Hey, does KFC deliver?
Doesn’t look too civil-warry over there these days, Caricature.
(via Tim Blair)
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 7/20 @ 1:19 am #
Caricature last October: Iraq is neither self-governing, stable, prosperous, nor an ally in the war on terror…In the final analysis, it seems that adequate words are really hard to find for the horrors of the situation in Iraq.
Here are some adequate words:
You lost.
We won.
Sorry about that.
Comment by happyfeet on 7/20 @ 1:27 am #
I don’t know Samantha Power. She’s a modestly successful Irish actress imdb says that’s never worked over here. But I can’t find a picture cause Baracky’s Samantha is monopolizing the Google images. The actress one needs to seriously consider tweaking her name I think. It’s kind of too bad that the Buffy guy has to do that show, but it’s a hit so it’s not all that bad I guess. Just that I don’t think it’s really much in the way of ancillaries. But I don’t think my #161 makes any sense at all if you haven’t seen that show.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 7/20 @ 1:32 am #
Caric last July:
The idea of a free Iraq was always a dream…But it never came into being and may not do so during ou[r] time”.
Caric last July (again):
However you slice it, warmongers like yourself have visited a serious defeat on this country.
Caric last December:
the surge hasn’t changed any of the structural conditions that produced the chaos in 2006 and the first part of 2007
Snicker.
Yeah, KFC opening in Fallujah doesn’t mean shit.
Comment by Mars vs Hollywood on 7/20 @ 1:33 am #
That the surge was a win/win for Leftists is nothing new.
Doesn’t anyone remember back when Richard Clarke became famous, and the Left were all yelling about how Bush had the chance to “do something” to prevent 9-11 by going after Afghanistan, upping airport security, and interviewing “suspicious” flight students?
Thought experiment: imagine the response of the Left if newly-inaugurated President Bush had launched a major, aggressive security operation (both here and abroad), based on shadowy “intel” about a possible terrorist attack, right at the moment when everyone was still screaming about dimpled chads and stolen elections? I suspect the word “fear-mongering” would have been prevalent. Well more prevalent, anyway.
Comment by Merovign on 7/20 @ 2:30 am #
Wow, daph & Ric. This was about as transparently pathetic a leftist tantrum as I’ve seen yet. Bravo.
In other words, you had nothing - and you even fucked that up.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/20 @ 4:31 am #
Looks like caricature went back to his no traffic, low content, spider hole-ish web page. Lonely during the summer months when you can’t bully your students into visiting your blog, eh perfesser?
Comment by Rusty on 7/20 @ 6:04 am #
Has daphne responded with anything substantive yet? I admit I skipped down ’cause she was boring and hf is so entertaining.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 7/20 @ 6:18 am #
“Comment by Ric Caric on 7/19 @ 9:51 pm #
Obviously Dan just can’t take my agreeing with him. Sure Bush was right about the surge and it only took him six years to be right about something concerning Iraq. He just can’t get too much credit for that. Personally, I think Bush is way more awesome than Charlemagne and Julius Caesar put together. I’m sure historians will see him that way too.”
Then Abraham Lincoln was fucking God, right Ric?
Comment by Rusty on 7/20 @ 7:57 am #
One thing I am certain of perfesser. History 20 years from now will look at your moral disrectitude with the same judgement that you view GWBs moral certainty today.
Iraq is won. Hard work done by better people than you or I will ever be, perfesser. If you have a god, now would be the time to give thanks.
Comment by SevenEleventy on 7/20 @ 8:04 am #
“…the image of the Lord had been replaced by a mirror.â€Â-Borges
Comment by Smirky McChimp on 7/20 @ 9:20 am #
And in the end, whatever happens, this war will be argued over to the end of time. Much like ‘Nam. And the real effect of it will be lost on most of the left. Much like “Nam.
So, win-win.
Comment by Jeff G. on 7/20 @ 10:57 am #
I forgot to mention how much Caric’s site has improved in my mind by virtue of my having learned to ignore it entirely.
So, like the surge, it’s a WIN WIN!
Comment by Karl on 7/20 @ 11:09 am #
Obvs, I disagree with Caric. I get entirely too much of me, even offsite, and would prefer to read more Jeff.
Comment by Jeff G. on 7/20 @ 11:11 am #
To be fair to Caric, though, Karl’s stuff does seem to attract the attention of more mainstream conservative outlets for linkage.
Conversely, to be fair to me, I guess I never really expected Townhall or National Review to link to oatmeal confessionals or Billy Jack dialogs or long discourses on intentionalism or identity politics (though Goldberg’s book mirrors much of what I’ve written here over the last 6 years).
In fact, I’m pretty sure it was my insistence that I’d bring Billy Jack to the Denver Post that got me, uh, excused from that group blog — a shame, given that I would have eaten Sirota’s lunch every single day, and done it in a manner that ranged from the pedantic to the surreal. Yet always pointed, regardless of the construct.
But as far as intellectual chops go, there hasn’t been a single time I can recall where Caric hasn’t, while trying to “debate” me, had his ass handed back to him with a bunch of “conservative”-caused welts crisscrossing it like a pair of mesh panties.
– Which, of course, is not to be confused with all his posts declaring victory in our engagements. Those are just par for the course — a kind of therapeutic self-affirmation message one might write in the diary his analyst has told him to keep.
If that analyst were, say, Stuart Smally.
Comment by ushie on 7/20 @ 11:46 am #
“Then Abraham Lincoln was fucking God,”
No. They were just good friends.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 7/20 @ 3:56 pm #
Jeff, that would be like me fighting Caric. You know, actual fighting. Not really much show in that. Now that I think of it, to the new and improved buff Goldstein, it would be similar. Caric’s an intellectual lightweight, but a fat ass at the same time. He’s an paradox, that one.