June 18, 2008

Obama’s “National Security Working Group”: Carter & Clinton retreads [Karl]

Matt Yglesias introduces Barack Obama’s “National Security Working Group.”  Imagine them on a giant lazy susan, Dating Game-style:

  • Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
  • Senator David Boren, former Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Secretary of State Warren Christopher
  • Greg Craig, former director of the State Department Office of Policy Planning
  • Secretary of the Navy Richard Danzig
  • Representative Lee Hamilton, former Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee
  • Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder
  • Dr. Tony Lake, former National Security Advisor
  • Senator Sam Nunn, former Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
  • Secretary of Defense William Perry
  • Dr. Susan Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State
  • Representative Tim Roemer, 9/11 Commissioner
  • Jim Steinberg, former Deputy National Security Advisor

Not so Changey. Even the Obamatons commenting at Yglesias’s blog are disappointed.  It’s not difficult to see why.  Warren Christopher was taken to the cleaners by Iran, Syria and James Baker III.  9/11 Commissioners Hamilton and Roemer will have fun with the large contingent from The Path to 9/11.  David Boren can explain why his son, Rep. Dan Boren, isn’t endorsing Obama.  Danzig can book them a conference room in the House at Pooh Corner.

(h/t Memeorandum.)

Posted by Karl @ 2:58pm
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Comments (117)

  1. Surrender Now!

  2. Using Frank Costanza’s voice, of course.

  3. O! may be inexperienced but no one can say he doesnt surround himself with the most experienced statesmen available… Madelaine Albright’s experience in appeasing tyrants bent on becoming nuclear powers will be invaluable in appeasing.. I mean.. in negotiating with Iran..

  4. I’m kind of surprised Sam Nunn would hang with these losers. And I’m kind of surprised George Mitchell isn’t on the list. He always struck me as being kind of a whore for being on the list. I guess he’s gone Hollywood maybe. Different lists.

  5. Nice to see Dances with Tyrants is still in the Donk phone book.

  6. Maddy’s one tough mujer when it comes to dealing with despots, you bet. For the really recalcitrant dudes she breaks out the champagne and a two-step.

  7. Not exactly a Benneton ad, if you catch my drift.

  8. euwwwww
    madeline albright is a serial perjurer, anyone that holds clearances knows that.
    pardon me while i go vomit

  9. Not so Changey

    Pretty Hopey tho’.

  10. Couldn’t he have at least brought on Janet Reno? You know, to get the transgendered angle?

  11. Oh. It looks like Matt whoopsidentally left Mr. Soros’ name off.

  12. Will a Mr. Fusion attach to a Prius?

    Regards,
    Ric

  13. Warren Christopher.

    How’s the embalming holding up?

    This makes “Weekend at Bernie’s IV”, right?

  14. Not enough energy density to get all the way back to 1978, Karl.

    Regards,
    Ric

  15. I take Ric already has one of these.

  16. The biomass goes in Mr. Fusion.

  17. Warren Christopher, Christopher Robin. Same dif.

  18. “Let’s do the Time Warp, again!”

  19. Warren Christopher, Christopher Robin. Same dif.

    Oh, that might be coming. ;-)

  20. “….and anyway it was an official NBA ball, so whats the big deal….” – Maddy Notbright

  21. Flux capacitors are so Eighties. *

    Regards,
    Ric

  22. Greg Craig, former director of the State Department Office of Policy Planning

    Is that the same Greg Craig that fucked Elian Gonzalez?

  23. I’m going to start drinking again! Adios liver!

  24. B Moe,

    Of course.

  25. That was one of the darkest moments of the American Bar in my opinion. How that worthless cocksucker was allowed to break every rule of ethics in railroading that little boy I will never understand, or forgive.

  26. I’m kind of surprised Sam Nunn would hang with these losers.

    That was my first thought too. He is definately an outlier on this list. The only one missing is Sandy Berger.

  27. Hey where’s Sandy Burgler?

  28. Even the Obamatons commenting at Yglesias’s blog are disappointed.

    Read that list and slowly repeat after me, “Change We Can Believe In.”

    If you didn’t laugh out loud or your head didn’t explode from the cog diss then you were too young to remember the 1990’s and O! needs you in November.

  29. Or Jamie Gorelick?

  30. Or Richard Holbrooke?

  31. Or Joseph Wilson, III?

  32. Or Valerie Plame?

  33. nishi doesn’t seem so O!-tingly right now …I wonder what sashal and thor think?

  34. - Todays Obama Kerfluffle moment:

    – The scourging on the campaign trail; Psalm 38 – Diversity in action. “No head scarves on the dias anywhere within the view of the camera behind the Obamessiah for the brown people, off – off the stage with you.”

  35. The only one missing is Sandy Berger.

    Oh, he’s there. He’s just off doing something right now.

  36. And george McGovern is there in spirit.

  37. Knowing Obamba’s penchant for surrounding himself with people who despise this country, its likely some maggot like Ramsey Clark is his real foreign policy advisor.

  38. - Yes. Hes hiding some papers picking up trash around the committee trailer.

  39. Knowing Obamba’s penchant for surrounding himself with people who despise this country

    – Juat as long as they’re not wearing head scarves.

  40. why can’t i have Prince Charming without the insane clown posse of the undead coming along with him?????
    /sob

  41. For such a hopey-changey kinda guy, that list looks awfully Old-White-Guys-in-Smoke-Filled-Rooms-ish (granting Albright honorary status as a guy, since I haven’t heard that a chromosome test has ever ruled out that possibility).

    Warren Christopher? That shithead is still alive? Please tell me it’s the original one’s son or something.

    Poor nishi… she “thot” Barry’s cabinet was going to consist of Zac Efron, Matt Damon, and the Olesen Twins. And they would all ride to work at the White House on My Little Ponies!

    And yes, I agree. Nunn is way too sane to be hanging around with this pack.

  42. why can’t i have Prince Charming without the insane clown posse of the undead coming along with him?????
    /sob

  43. Aldo thot that was such a good comment it should be repeated i guess.

  44. insane clown posse of the undead

    That’s a little harsh, dontcha think? It’s more like the Keystone Kops of foreign policy.

  45. I hit the “say It” button by mistake before I typed my response.

  46. Warren Christopher: born 1925
    Madeleine Albright: born 1937
    David Boren: born 1941
    Greg Craig: born 1945
    Richard Danzig: born 1945
    Lee Hamilton: born 1931
    Tony Lake: born 1939
    Sam Nunn: born 1938
    William Perry: born 1927
    Susan Rice: born 1964
    Tim Roemer: born 1956
    Jim Steinberg: birthdate not immediately available, but his picture doesn’t exactly scream “young hipster” to me.

    Steinberg, Rice, and Roemer will be called “kids” in this group.

    Hell, Dick Cheney would be a kid in this group.

    Heh.

    Allow me to repeat myself:

    Heh.

    What happens when the congenitally gullible (like nishi) get a load of the incompetent gerontocracy that Obama’s running in?

  47. #27 Aldo: Berger? You so beat me to it.

    And his Press Secretary will have to be someone like Kos or Olberdouche, of course. And Jimmy Carter will be in there somewhere.

    Jeez Louise; I can see WWIV flashing before my eyes. It’s all over.

  48. “What happens when the congenitally gullible (like nishi) get a load of the incompetent gerontocracy that Obama’s running in?”

    – You mean by now you can’t guess?

    – They’ll do what the brain-fried “I never make a mistake, and when I do its just a nuance you can’t hope to understand because I’m so fucking smart” gaggle does.

    – They’ll rationalize with out skipping a beat with:

    “Well who cares if they’re old, they’re ALL young at heart.”

  49. why can’t i have Prince Charming without the insane clown posse of the undead coming along with him?

    Because he was never more than a pretty face, a well-rehearsed act, a show, a fraud.

    So apparently we are going to get the Clintons again w/o Bill & Hillary. Whatever it takes to get elected. I’m feeling slightly less bothered by an Obama administration. The speed with which O! will change a position, dump a personality, and otherwise do whatever it takes get elected indicates a polls driven administration. Nothing is done which isn’t popular. Push the guy hard enough and we can see repeated events like the Clinton welfare reform.

  50. Which flavor of ice cream best describes the kind of relationship you are looking for with Israel?

  51. Look at all those old white guys, and everyone knows old white guys are stupid! Yes they are, if they’re Democrats they are! Are too! Too!

    The fuck are you crackers moon dancing and speaking in Jesus-tongues about?

    Lee Hamilton, Tim Roemer, David Boren are decent people. Madeline Albright is an old crusty cunt and Warren Christopher looked like he needed a mechanical breathing machine last I saw him, but they’re expected, frankly. Rice is young. Craig is a foreign country club expert who’ll be irreplaceable when you Obama needs advice on on which holes to lay-up on in the Algarve.

    Your gasps of desperation and feigned howling is as contrived as predictable. I predict lots of belly cramps from you frothers all the way to the day Obama being sworn in.

  52. Right now it looks like the Israel ice cream is “Rocky Road.”

  53. If your diplomacy was ice cream, how would you serve it? Soft Serve, In a waffle cone, or straight from that old carton says best by 1994 on the package?

  54. Answer: “Rocky Road”

  55. I don’t feel any desperation. Just an uncontrollable urge to smirk knowingly.

  56. Well who cares if they’re old, they’re ALL young at heart.

    They should be, considering how many of them are probably on their second or third heart by now.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

    Heh.

  57. If its a serving thing in a Dem administration, definitely “turtle tracks”.

    (you will be required to “surrender” your wallets to the burka adorned waitress.)

  58. Hooray…back to the future!…I hated the seventies the first time around and now I get to live it again..oh joy.

  59. He will be using the waffle cone of course.

  60. They should be, considering how many of them are probably on their second or third heart by now.

    Same hearts, new blood. Every night.

  61. “I predict lots of belly cramps from you frothers all the way to the day Obama being sworn in. indicted.

    – Yes, My frothing cup runneth over.

    – thor, you are such a delusional dick. Obama has shown hes perfectly able to shoot his own foot. No one need froth, just let him sink his own ship. Have you gotten a job yet?

  62. Your gasps of desperation and feigned howling

    Oh, the howls of laughter around this household are anything but feigned.

    Can’t wait to see Christopher and Perry pretending to “hang with” some emo or hiphop group.

    Heh.

  63. Which flavor of ice cream best describes the kind of relationship you are looking for with Israel?
    Mine would be Gold Medal Ribbon™.
    O’s will be “Mint Garlic Ripple”.

  64. #
    Comment by SarahW on 6/18 @ 5:35 pm #

    Which flavor of ice cream best describes the kind of relationship you are looking for with Israel?

    Would a freshly popped cherry on top of a banana help stop that flood of tears, Sarah? The big black man with the funny name only looks scary, but don’t worry he’s not really. Oh look, you’re tinking on your new pink shoes!

    You like how I do that? It’s not difficult. I can go on and on like that if you like. Real easy I can, little girl.

  65. If your diplomacy was ice cream, how would you serve it?

    Handpacked!

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  67. So, I read the headline as ending in “…Carter and Clinton retards.” Still worked for me, though.

  68. “Would a freshly popped cherry on top of a banana help stop that flood of tears, Sarah? The big black man with the funny name only looks scary, but don’t worry he’s not really.

    – Just as long as you’re not one of “those” people that wear scarves and stand behind the messiah in view of the camera, in which case you will need to get off the stage, off I say, you’re making him look bad.

    – We’ll let you back in through the side entrance when the show is over. You can mingle but not be seen. You understand. Diversity has to be managed in ObamaWorld.

  69. If your diplomacy was ice cream, how would you serve it?

    Cold notes, frozen assets, and a hot-fudge-like topping of nuclear-induced lava ladled onto any nuts that happened to float to the top.

  70. Apparently O! will be recycling Clinton’s foreign policy team. Might as well use Fleetwood Mac at the Inaugural. Again.

  71. Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 6/18 @ 5:48 pm #

    – thor, you are such a delusional dick.

    I’m the delusional dick who, after Obama wins, will be reminding you just how big a delusional dick can be with a little stimulation. Every day. Every effen day for at least four years you’ll be rubbing up against this delusional dick.

  72. “Don’t stop, thinking about yesterday, Don’t stop, we will soon be there….”

  73. Sweet jeebus on a surf board, that is frighteneing.

  74. Christopher worked in the muhfuckin’ JOHNSON administration (Lyndon, not Andrew). He worked for Jerry Brown’s DAD.

    Heh.

  75. Someone talented really should do a zombie-themed Photoshop from all those pictures I linked above.

    Heh.

  76. Roemer: Good morning Madeleine!

    Albright: That’s Ms. Albright, fuzznuts.

  77. Every day. Every effen day for at least four years you’ll be rubbing up against this delusional dick.

    – So you still haven’t found it, and even you are beginning to doubt it exists. I don’t blame you.

    – Just the same, when the O man gets his ass and his Marx-dumb ideology kicked to the curb, its doubtful you have even one gonad big enough to show your douchebag face around here. Not even after four years.

    – But I suppose that will be some relief to the people that have to put up with you. At least its not like you don’t believe in something. Maybe when you grow up someday you might even discover something beyond the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, and Obamaemptysuit.

  78. Good God Thor. Can you go one thread without sexual inuendo?

  79. Madeline Halfwit is bad enough (kissy-poo Lil’ Kim and all her other foibles), but Warren Fucking Christopher?

    I know it’s bad form to speak ill of the dead, but isn’t that the same damned dumbass who asked the planners for the ill-fated Desert One mission if they couldn’t shoot the terrorists “in the leg or something instead of killing them?”

    Not even to mention his later inanities and…

    …for crying out loud, that list reads like two weeks work for “FailBlog!”

  80. If thor was a tubesteak, how would you cook him? Boiled? Grilled? Microwaved?

  81. It’s hard.

  82. Touche, Thor

  83. Roboc: Just think “What Would Mythbusters Do?”

  84. This is one thing I hope Baracky will change.

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  86. Merovign, trinitrotoluene!

  87. - You look at that list, and if Obama manages to pinch off McDinosaurs oxygen tube, and stumble into the WH, he might as well move his cabinet to the nearest assisted living home.

    – The only thing left to make this election cycle complete, is for Obama to name Pat Roberts as his Veep, and McCain to choose one of the Olson twins as his, and the San Francisco Ghey boys chior as his cabinet.

  88. Wow, did nishi actually shut up, or did she just pass out with her face in a baggie of model airplane glue again?

  89. Rice is young.

    And stupid.

    For someone who claims give a crap about the war, thor seems to find himself with some strange bedfellows and a hard tubesteak.

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  91. - thor is setting himself up for a full metal jacket mental drubbing, acting like a 12 year old girl, hoping to make the high school team, if Obamaouo takes a header.

    – Just from the standpoint of common sense alone he might ought to rein in his enthusiasm a few notches. I’d point that out to him, but I’m not in the habit of saving dreamy eyed pinheads from themselves.

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  93. “it’s hard”

    why’d she ask?

  94. Rice is young.

    Yes, we’ve got all these relics from the archaeozoic, and one, single, relatively young black woman.

    What’s up with that?

    Sing it with me! “One of these things… is not like the others….”

  95. - Spies, Its called “Obligatory inclusion”. The “house negro” in other circles. I would bet that Michele had at least a passing say in that choice.

    – She’ll be fine as long as she leaves the scarves at home.

  96. I believe that George Mitchell may well have lived to regret shoving that knife into Bush I’s back, along with Tom Foley, after the Tax Summit lo those many sad years ago.

    Of course, he is a Democrat, and a top tier, old time seventies failed state anti American apologist at that.

    I’m probably badly mistaken in assuming he’s got a conscience or even the merest scintilla of morality, patriotism, or ethos.

  97. - It will be just one more irony to throw on the pile for the Left if Obama ends up with fewer Black Americans in his cabinet than either Bush or McCain.

    – Of course if you could ask him why, he would probably say….”Well all the good ones are taken, they’re Republicans,”

  98. It’s so much find to watch the wingnuts go into panic mode.

  99. Why does that Monty Python sketch about the chocolates with names like “Larks Vomit” and “Spring Surprise” come to mind. Does anyone know anything Richard “Pooh” Danzig
    has ever done as Navy Secretary. Christopher’s utter uselessness on Bosnia; helped create a number of cadres (Al Midhar, Al Hazmi, Moussaoui,
    Saeed Omar Sheik, the guy who turned
    over Daniel Pearl to KSM)if not a full
    generation to Al Queda, Steinberg presided over the Kosovo War; that would have involved an intervention from Albania, if the peace feelers through Sweden hadn’t gone through.

  100. Here’s the sketch: from Whizzo Chocolates, there’s also one about a Conquistador Coffee with a horrible advertising campaign

  101. Panic? I see no panic here.

    A funny thing about the problem solving methods employed by progs and conservatives.

    When your typical historically illiterate, failed – to – launch metrosexual college graduate decides that the elected government of the nation is in fact responsible for destroying the World Trade Towers, has engaged the nation in an illegal war, and is in violation of its oath and duty to defend the constitution and nation, they spring into action by buying hybrid cars, marching behind giant puppet heads, and attempting to give aid and comfort to any enemy of democracy they can.

    Conservatives, when recognizing the same threat, have… different methods.

    The Democrats have invested decades in calling the very mechanism of the free ballot into question, and even longer in an orchestrated assault on individual rights and individuals’ ability to pursue happiness.

    The Democrats have decided to take the mask off. They are no longer an opposition, they are the ENEMY.

    Funny. Don’t fuckin’ feel like skipping a few showers and marching with a bunch of incoherent asswipes at all. Women who think that “feminine” means “doesn’t shave” ceased to attract shortly after high school, so there’s no reason on that vein to speak truth to power, either.

    Any finance people here?

    Guess where the last safe haven for pension funds was? Until today?

  102. Panic? I see no panic here.

    Now, TmjUtah — you know I have that bad habit of laughing hysterically when I’m in a blind panic.

    Heh.

    Warren By God Christopher.

    I’ll bet that poured some sand into nishi’s Special Girl Parts.

    Heh.

  103. Spies –

    I make atrocious observations to steady myself:

    “Well, look at that. Their tracers are yellow – and the big stuff is green!”

    “Just breathe as evenly as you can. Don’t worry, I’ll write to Bic and explain why they need to make a ballpoint with a thicker barrel.”

    “Bet you didn’t expect to see THAT on your lunch break, didja?”

    I’ve already taken positive action toward achieving what I consider important political aims, in just the time since I last posted.

    I went down in the basement, past the room with all the guns and reloading supplies (and the leather crafting tools, my scale models, and the lapidary stuff), past the bookshelves o’ knowledge (twelve feet of history and philosophy; always something to read, and that’s just the top shelf), and found myself a box of envelopes. Then I wrote a short note to Mr. Chavetz and sealed it, and a check for fifty dollars, inside. Now I have to finish the tactful but highly outraged letter to the editor, along with the CC’s to Cannon, Bishop, Bennett, and Hatch, and Bush, then finish off the evening by sealing up another empty prepaid first class envelope provided by the RNC and sending it off, too.

    I’m independent now. Alone. But when every single man, woman, and child is about to be so horrificly abused by whichever cast of clowns ascends to power (they think; clowns are correct to be insulted) in this last, sad, gasp of end of history politics.

    Shit is going to break, and what comes out of the mess may not be very recognizable.

    It won’t be the people chanting slogans at the drum circle that determine that, though. Thank goodness.

    Elections matter. Still. And office = responsibility, in spite of the most furious, coordinated, and cowardly strategies to deny that reality.

    Enemy. That distills the problem nicely.

  104. nishi’s Special Girl Parts.

    “I’ll take ‘Things I’d Really Rather Have Never Thought About’ for $2,000, Alex.”

  105. #100:

    troy,

    Does anyone know anything Richard “Pooh” Danzig
    has ever done as Navy Secretary.

    Tried to get gender-integrated submarines. Really.

  106. madeline albright is a serial perjurer, anyone that holds clearances knows that

    I’d lose the “anyone that holds clearances” attitude; clearances have associated need-to-knows. What you know does not equal what I know. Still, it’d be nice to have a hint of what you’re talking about. My beef with Madeleine Albright is many-faceted; particularly shiny is the occasion where NPR interviewed her (sometime in the last five years, I think) where she in the space of a couple of minutes stated that Bill Clinton’s crusade in Bosnia was sensible, justified, and well-thought-out, whereas the Bush administration was conducting an illegal war of aggression.

    Paraphrasing, me.

    Warren Christopher is just a huge, gaping asshole. If there were any evidence at all that he brokered the deal whereby China got to launch one of our classified payloads, I’d be all for throwing the fucker in Leavenworth.

    The only names missing from that list are Sandy Berger and Janet Reno, but I expect they’ll be added after the votes are tallied.

  107. Doesn’t Danzig sing for a heavy metal band in his spare time?

  108. Berger’s not named because he’s barred from having a clearance until Bush is out of office.

    He’ll be in with the next administration, guaran-damn-tee it.

  109. Slart, I believe I addressed that in another thread.

  110. Sorry, Carin. I can’t be in all threads, at all times.

  111. I guess we can chalk it up to brilliant minds and all, even though you said it first.

  112. Usually when you see a list of old hands in a new administration you come off slightly reassured that the new guy is going to be getting some steady advice from people who have already done this job. But that list…may God help us all.

  113. If I wanted mediocre I’d have voted for Algore.

    Do we really want to give that crowd of developmentally disabled pols a doorknob?

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  115. Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 6/18 @ 7:02 pm #

    – thor is setting himself up for a full metal jacket mental drubbing, acting like a 12 year old girl, hoping to make the high school team, if Obamaouo takes a header.

    You’re getting an awful lot of menstruation stains on your dainty cheerleader outfit.

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