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Trinity churchgoers miffed, but not at themselves [Karl]

According to the Washington Post’s Eli Saslow and Hamil R. Harris, the people Barack Obama shared pews with at Trinity United Church of Christ feel “marginalized” in the wake of the controversy over the church (though what the WaPo marginalizes is its black liberation theology).

Most do not blame Obama, natch — they blame the media and political attacks.  It is a reaction that suggests that they have not looked into a mirror since everyone noticed them hooting and applauding the race-baiting, anti-American comments of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Fr. Michael Pfleger (which you can see at Wake Up America).  Leftists like Ron Walters are quoted in another effort to make this episode seem like a blow to “the black church” in general (despite plenty of data showing TUCC is not in the mainstream of predominantly black churches).  My favorite is this:

“If a politician wants to move up in government, he can come to church and jump and shout,” said the Rev. Barbara Reynolds, a lecturer at Howard University’s School of Divinity. “But it is not okay to go to a church where they are speaking truth to power and talking about racism, sexism and capitalism.”

Aside from the “truth to power” cliche, it might have been nice if the paper had reminded readers that Reynolds was the person who invited Wright to the now-infamous National Press Club appearance that finally forced Obama to distance himself from Wright.  After all, the WaPo was aware of it at the time.

191 Replies to “Trinity churchgoers miffed, but not at themselves [Karl]”

  1. Social vampires can’t see themselves in any sort of mirror, silly.

  2. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    Love the way the “Reverend” equates capitalism with sexism and racism.

    Maybe she’d be happier in Venezuela, North Korea, or Zimbabwe.

  3. thud says:

    This church serves to empower those who believe themselves marginalised in todays society.It reinforces their sense of victimisation and apartness….it has very little to do with christianity just standard marxism masquerading as a religion for the ‘downtrodden’. The left has had decades of practise at infiltrating organisations on the fringes of conventional power resulting in a gathering of influence through non direct action,this church being a classic example…time to disclose it for what it is…a vehicle for social disharmony.

  4. abqnative says:

    I never attended a church that taught hate and racism, and quite frankly… I wouldn’t be a member of it for 20 years either. In fact, the moment I heard the sermon I would have gotten up and left the church permanently. I don’t understand why the red flags aren’t going up for people.

  5. Neo says:

    When is the [Obama] promised healing supposed to begin ?

  6. I disagree says:

    It’s not the church that needs to look in the mirror, but its America that needs to look at it’s self in the mirror. And reading the few comments on this post I can see that people are really brainwashed and controlled. That’s why this country was so easily mislead into a false war! I can bet that none of the commenter’s on this post have not even seen Rev Wright’s whole message! And to the commenter who said that it (Trinity Church) has little to do with Christianity… you have it twisted! The original Christians were just that “apart from society” not in with the Government. Also you forget that blacks were slaves first before they were Christians. It was Christianity that brought black people to realize they may have been considered a lower being in the white mans eyes but in God’s eyes, all men are equal. But America is not equal for every man. The opportunity is there but for some it’s just harder to reach. The black church is not there to empower or reinforce the sense of victimization. That to me is a contradiction in itself. Black America does not need the church to reinforce victimization; it has FOX news for that if not all news.

  7. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – D’yah ever notice that its always the same cluches of prople in certain orgamizations that can’t draw a breath, or discuss any issue without ending up vitims at the end of every event.

    – If tomorrow morning the race baiting rhetoric and the race card itself were outlawed, People like Wright, and Jackson, and Sharpton would not be able to make a living. And the Left. They are absolutely obsessive about it. Their holy grail. Without it what the hell would they have to talk about.

  8. Rob Crawford says:

    And to the commenter who said that it (Trinity Church) has little to do with Christianity… you have it twisted!

    Yeah, who can forget the stirring words of Christ in his “God DAMN ROME!” sermon? Or his parable about “riding dirty”?

  9. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “The original Christians were just that “apart from society” not in with the Government. Also you forget that blacks were slaves first before they were Christians.”

    – That must have been what animated all the Dixiecrats to run home to their districts and hide under their beds, leaving the Republicans in congress to pass the civil rights laws. Got it. It was all that Conservative white xian stuff that was holding up the train.

    – Gawd I wish the people that spoon feed these ignorant kids would be required to tell them the whole story. See our side believes in “more freedom of speech” not less, like your side “I disagree”.

    – Why? Because we know that when, as you say, the whole story is told, it always cuts the legs right out from under the “caring” Progressives screeds and lies.

    – I sat and watched Bob Beckle squeal and whine about Right-wing bloggers tonight, and I couldn’t believe his feckless teeth didn’t fall out of his mouth. With rotten, vitriolic vile sites like DKos, DU, and FDL, only to mention a very few of many, that was unbelievable. The Left spews its crap for all these years, calling everyone that blows their cover, racist, sexist, or whatever, and does everything they can to cut off free speech and debate, and then a Lefty hack like Beckle does his propaganda act without batting an eye. It takes a certain level of reckless arrogance to lie with such abandon.

    – No one is fooled. The same old Marxist ploy. Free speech for me, but not for thee.

  10. Darleen says:

    “I disagree” is a parody.

    Right?

  11. Darleen says:

    But America is not equal for every man. The opportunity is there but for some it’s just harder to reach.

    Amazing. Gotta be a parody.

  12. Sean M. says:

    To borrow a phrase from our friend, Darleen, I disagree. I’m guessing tenure track.

  13. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – You know the Left has it all ass backwards with this deal of sending out SP prolls to hijack threads. It just inflames people into even greater insistence that they expose each and every mis-characterization, piece of propaganda, and lie.

    – I suppose on some level we should be happy they’re that stupid and immature.

  14. Pablo says:

    Either a parody, or the love child of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking.

    CAN’T YOU PEOPLE SEE???!!!??

  15. dre says:

    Also you forget that blacks were slaves first before they were Christians Muslims.

  16. dre says:

    Also you forget that blacks were slaves first before they were Christians sold blacks into slavery.

  17. Techie says:

    Nope, pure grade Tenure Track

  18. dre says:

    I can bet that none of the commenter’s on this post have not even seen Rev Wright’s whole asshole message!

  19. Karl says:

    Had “I disagree” bothered to read any of the links, s/he would have been aware that folks here: know Wright’s message pretty well, in context; that TUCC is not representative of “the black church”; and that black liberation theology an inversion of traditional Christianity.

    It’s too bad that “I disagree” did not opine on what we should make of Obama’s departure from this supposedly wonderful Christian church.

  20. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Also you forget that SecProggs were fetus’s that caught their mothers on a good day.

  21. dre says:

    The black church is not Marxist Church is there to empower or reinforce the sense of victimization.

  22. Karl says:

    BTW,

    “I disagree” probably wandered in via CNN, where Sphere picked this post up in connection with a story on O!’s Father’s Day speech.

  23. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “It’s too bad that “I disagree” did not opine on what we should make of Obama’s departure from this supposedly wonderful Christian church.”

    – I have as yet to hear a single comment from any of the hordes of screed-whores on the Left concerning this small “event”. Not a meme, not an excuse, not a murmur. Odd.

  24. dre says:

    Black America does not need the church to reinforce victimization; it has FOX news NYT, WaPo, cbsnbcabcnpr for that if not all news.

  25. Sphere picked this post up

    O! great.

  26. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – In speaking power to truthiness we are undoubtedly giving them a tingle up the unused ObamaLegâ„¢.

  27. A name goes here says:

    I can bet that none of the commenter’s on this post have not even seen Rev Wright’s whole message!Comment by I disagree on 6/15 @ 7:18 pm #

    If Rev. Wright gave a “sermon” for two hours and only 10 min. was hateful blood lible against white America, does it make it less hurtful to White America? Does it make it less evil?
    If Rev Wright gave a “sermon” for two hours and only 10 min.was hateful blood lible against my Jewish brothers and sisters, does it make it less hurtful to my Jewish brothers and sisters? Does it make it less evil?

    If satan was standind at the pulpit, his words would be no different.
    Black Liberation Theuology strips my Jewish brothers and sisters of the covenent of Abraham, Isaaic and Jacob. This happens to be satans main goal. The second would be , “a truths a lie, a lies a truth.

    Finally, If I as an American Christian Bible believer is blood boiling angry at this, how do you think God feels?

  28. Sean M. says:

    I don’t see how this conversation helps Michelle Obama’s kids.

  29. I still disagree says:

    The Left, the Right, Black, White or Rich and Poor. Call it what you want but it’s just another way America is so departed. I don’t consider myself either Left or Right. I just look at the way things are in a diverse perspective. Reality I observe on both sides because I’ve been there. You people operate out of you little fantasy world that does not exist in the real world and when you are exposed to the real world you super impose it onto your fantasy land and when it doesn’t match up you spew it out as if its distasteful and wrong but its not wrong its just reality. When you saw Trinity on your TV it was the first time you had seen inside a “black church” when you turned on your radios and heard HIP HOP it was the first time you heard what was really going on in a world that you have no clue about because you are so stuck in your bubble. But you must understand that you did not see an anti-America but just a different one. When I saw Rev Write I was not shocked at all of what he was saying I was more so shocked at how the media depicted him as an angry out raged man. Hey America! I’ve got news for you that is just how black churches preach! Yes Rev Wright said some things that politicians’ can’t say and that’s where you get it mixed up. If I want to go here the truth I go to a preacher If I want to go here propaganda then I will go to a politician.

  30. A name goes here says:

    Comment by Sean M. on 6/15 @ 8:58 pm #

    I don’t see how this conversation helps Michelle Obama’s kids.

    Your average child has his moral compas set around the age of 8yo. Obamas kids will be just another set of people that says” the man is keeping me down” Shame that.

  31. dre says:

    “When you saw Trinity on your TV it was the first time ”
    Yo dude I saw the Rev on Youtube.

  32. um, lots of nice assumptions there, “I still disagree” please, tell me more about this “reality” do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

  33. A name goes here says:

    Comment by I still disagree on 6/15 @ 9:02 pm #

    You faild to answermy questios?
    Again:
    If Rev. Wright gave a “sermon” for two hours and only 10 min. was hateful blood lible against white America, does it make it less hurtful to White America? Does it make it less evil?
    If Rev Wright gave a “sermon” for two hours and only 10 min.was hateful blood lible against my Jewish brothers and sisters, does it make it less hurtful to my Jewish brothers and sisters? Does it make it less evil?

  34. dre says:

    “at how the media depicted him as an angry out raged man.”

    The dude’s screaming “God damn Amerikka”. I didn’t confuse him with Fred Rogers neighbor.

  35. I didn’t confuse him with Fred Rogers neighbor.

    well, you know, some people just talk really loud all the time. that was a problem for Hillary a lot. she’d get all excited being in front of a big audience and ears would bleed.

  36. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    When you saw Trinity on your TV it was the first time you had seen inside a “black church”

    Dead wrong.

    I’ve been to quite a number of them over the years.

    Don’t recall “God DAMN America” being preached from the pulpit at any of them, but perhaps my memory is faulty.

  37. A name goes here says:

    Me thinks I diagree has to run to daily Kos for instructions.

    OR he’s really nervous about talkin’ about God. Funny that.
    Run away, run away….

  38. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “….[at] how the media depicted him as an angry out raged man.

    – Well no, not exactly. They portrayed him just like he appeared on the video. As an angry Black Separatist, preaching the hateful apartheid of the 60’s with vicious lies and racism of the worst sort of bigotry.

    – Who are we supposed to believe. You or our lying eyes?

  39. A name goes here says:

    Who are we supposed to believe. You or our lying eyes?

    OOOUU, OOOUUU, OOOUUU, I know this one. I’ll go for our lying eyes *wink* for a thousand Alex, er Big Bang…

  40. Pablo says:

    Call it what you want but it’s just another way America is so departed. </blockquote.

    Is it dead, or did it leave? If the latter, to where?

  41. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – This group calls itself “Liberal”, while engaging in Marxist/Communist tactics to put forward an elitist, anti-religious, Fascist/Socialist program. For 1000.

  42. Barbula says:

    HIP HOP is teh suxxor!, too.

    I would hope a academian would know the difference between here and hear, and I’m
    getting a femimine vibe from the two messages, so I’m guessing a it’s one of the ladies
    of Comrade Wright’s Angry Black Ministry.

  43. SAM says:

    Commenter #6/#29:

    Though your writing is difficult to decipher, you seem to think that Wright and his congregants are on the side of the angels. Certainly, they’re God’s children, but Wright has spent too many years spewing a despicable brand of hate and racism as his congregants cheered him on. It is Wright and his congregants who will be left behind as American society advances.

  44. cranky-d says:

    What is it about frothing commenters not being able to construct proper sentences with appropriate word choices? I cheerfully admit to some stray misspellings in my little rants, but I don’t think I have ever been as bad as “disagree” is, even when I’m drunk on my ass.

  45. Merovign says:

    I hope this trend of idiots ignoring sentence and paragraph structure continues – it makes it much easier to skip over the comments.

    How does one get that dumb, anyway? Do they have special schools for that, or do you figure it was self-study?

  46. Sean M. says:

    …when you turned on your radios and heard HIP HOP it was the first time you heard what was really going on in a world that you have no clue about because you are so stuck in your bubble.

    My Roots, Wu-Tang Clan, and Handsome Boy Modeling School CDs would beg to differ.

  47. cranky-d says:

    Call it what you want but it’s just another way America is so departed.

    I am still mulling this over. Nope, don’t get it.

    You people operate out of you little fantasy world that does not exist in the real world and when you are exposed to the real world you super impose it onto your fantasy land and when it doesn’t match up you spew it out as if its distasteful and wrong but its not wrong its just reality.

    That one is my favorite. Lots of grade A dumb, though it makes sense with some serious editing.

    Next!

  48. cranky-d says:

    Well, I effed up the blockquoting. Meh.

  49. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Ok, Whatever else is going on, we’ve definitely got a wigger here. Yo!

    – Either that, or we’ve got a Geratol hippie, still living back in the glory days of the 60’s.

    – Whichever. Someone keep and eye on it so it doesn’t pee on the new LightRider lounge furniture or carpeting.

  50. I can’t keep my kitties from peeing on the laundry, so probably it will have to be someone else.

  51. I’m just pissed about the whole You people thingy. What does it mean by You people. Also, would help to know the difference ‘tween “here” and “hear”.

    Also… racism: no excuse for it. Don’t give a shit about color or title.

  52. BBH – I am going with teenager. And, yes… erm… definitely culturally-confused.

  53. I still disagree says:

    1. Comment by dre on 6/15 @ 8:29 pm #
    “Also you forget that blacks sold blacks into slavery.”
    OH AND THAT’S YOUR REBUTTLE???? HA! Here is mine…
    ..and white people bought them, and then shipped them and beat them.
    You think that all slaves were bought??? Shut up. Besides thats not my point my point is is that the tone of sermons in the Black church began from a sepratist point of veiw.

    OK NEXT!
    1. Comment by Karl on 6/15 @ 8:38 pm #
    Had “I disagree” bothered to read any of the links, s/he would have been aware that folks here: know Wright’s message pretty well, in context; that TUCC is not representative of “the black church”; and that black liberation theology an inversion of traditional Christianity.
    It’s too bad that “I disagree” did not opine on what we should make of Obama’s departure from this supposedly wonderful Christian church.

    It’s TOO BAD that the only experience you have with anything close to a “black church” is what you’ve been fed through links and youtube and media. Do me a favor – you’re a Republican- GO GET SOME EXPEIRIENCE!
    AND IF YOU HAD BOTHERED to step inside a “Black Church” you would then see that I was referencing the delivery of REV WRITES SERMON…that is defiantly representative of “The black Church”. Don’t tell me what I need to do sir I have experience with the black church like your boy McCain does with war. You people trip me out you constantly talk about how important it is to have experience but you yourselves feel like you are the experts in diversity ..step out of your bubble.

    And please people – we are all Americans – I respect your views but some of it is just the result of ignorance. That I can not respect.

  54. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    I’ve got news for you that is just how black churches preach!

    I’ve got news for you: you’re a clumsy liar.

    But I’ll bet you already knew that, didn’t you?

  55. REV WRITES

    oh, here’s the problem guys. different reverend.

  56. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    It’s TOO BAD that the only experience you have with anything close to a “black church” is what you’ve been fed through links and youtube and media.

    Just repeating the same lie now, are we?

    Yawn.

    Bored now.

    I will admit, though, that “REV WRITE” was slightly amusing, in a “laugh at the illiterate fucktard” sort of way. We have nishi for that, though.

    Sorry, “dis”, we already have a dullwitted troll around these parts.

  57. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Enoch, you’re not playing the game. You’re asking to many damn questions. These brainiacs that have it all figured out depend on us to kick their asses, early and often. If they go back to the commune without bootmarks on their shorts, abd without their balls dragging on the pavement, they could lose all their victimhood creds.

    – Thats just mean man.

  58. SarahW says:

    Oh, brother.

  59. you people Again, isn’t this where I should get all offended or something?

    your boy presuming anyone here is excited about McCain or a “republican” is, well, fairly presumptuous. And, anyway, could someone refer to Obama in any context as your “boy” without being lynched slaughtered for it?

    Sucks to be sold out by your own… I know. There are some disgusting Irish fucks who should rot in hell. When we got here, we were generally indentured and, if really lucky, pressed into the Civil War. But, we coped, we dealt with it… some of us died, some of us did not. We acclimated ourselves to this WASP country. But we chose to succeed or fail on our own merits.

  60. Now: go to bed or return to the hive-mind! Now. Or they’ll be no sweet tits for you, young gelding!

  61. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Ok Enoch, now you’ve crossed the line. You’re actually trying to talk sense to this mental horse apple.

    – Keep it up, and I’m going to have to ask you to turn in your Obama Golden inner circle card, and prayer beads. I’d hate to have to do that Comrad.

  62. BBH – sorry. You are right of course.

    i [stillbirth] disagree – please go fuck thyself with a white hot poker.

  63. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    Or they’ll be no sweet tits for you

    No Marshmallow NippleBits® either. Now in chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry!

  64. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – There you go. See how its smiling and wagging its race card. You made its day.

  65. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    oh, here’s the problem guys. different reverend.

    Yes, the one I saw was ranting on YouTube, not writing.

  66. SarahW says:

    I still disagree –

    Don’t be such an arrogant scold. You happen to have made a lot of mistaken assumptions; but if your argument is that right is the black church, then, the black church is crap demogoguery to gin up an ignorant exciteable crowd there more for flattery of its paranoia and aggrieved victim status, more for entertaining lessons on the perfidy of perceived enemies than Christian love or worship. But TUCC is not the black church, nor is Wright. He’s an angry racist.

  67. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    Yes, the one I saw was ranting on YouTube, not writing.

    Maybe that was Reverend Rantz.

  68. SarahW says:

    at line 2, right = Wright

  69. SarahW says:

    And # 68 is the only context where I think I might put those words together.

  70. BBH – I see the error of my ways, yes. Thank you for correcting me. It is late… and something about penguins.

    Seet Tits & NippleBits! : It’s the new “pork chops and applesauce” – phenom… sweeping the nation. Popular with the kids ‘an all.

  71. I still disagree says:

    DAMN! DIDN”T NOE THAT THIER Wer SO MENY ENGRISH TEECHERS OWT THIER!

    You people (meaning you people who are in disagreement with “I disagree”) expose your own weaknesses….everybody knows that commenting on the mistakes and grammatical errors is just a cowardly copout.

    That’s like back in grade school when you’d play the dozens you were the one who didn’t have anything to say but.” your stupid!”

    That’s funny to me. It’s like I’m talking to a bunch of paranoid white collar white guys with no creativity.

    Besides there is a difference in writing how you speak and in writing for a news paper. I think it’s obvious that I’m neither a writer nor a speaker. I have no problem with that. They make software to do that for you.

    I do have a problem with you calling me dumb…and for that I say to you what we use to say back in the day when we’d play the dozens and didn’t have anything to say…

    YOUR MAMA!

  72. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – See Sarah, Like they teach us in re-education camp. You stand too close to Those people®, and its catching. Eeeeeewwwwww.

  73. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    ” your stupid!”

    Case closed.

  74. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    I think it’s obvious that I’m neither a writer nor a speaker.

    Yes, that’s pretty obvious.

    They make software to do that for you.

    Maybe you should get some?

  75. Dread Cthulhu says:

    SarahW: “But TUCC is not the black church, nor is Wright. He’s an angry racist.”

    Who, iirc, received a “love offering” from the congregation of a house in a well-to-do white gated community.

    Who says hypocrisy doesn’t pay.

  76. SarahW says:

    “neither a writer nor a speaker”

    nor thinker

    nor charmer

    nor persuader

  77. I still disagree says:

    Yeah Sarah! Thats it…your really on fire now!

  78. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    Now, SarahW: if we start going down the list of “dis”‘s physical, intellectual, political, mental, moral, and social shortcomings we’re going to be here all night.

  79. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “That’s funny to me. It’s like I’m talking to a bunch of paranoid white collar white guys with no creativity.”

    – No Junior BirdMan. What should be “funny” too you in a “man I’m fucking braindead from to many hits with the snake” way, is regaling people that have forgotten more than you know on any subject your pointed little head could think of, and trying to pass of really old “white guilt” soft Marxist crappola on them.

    – THAT is what should seem funny to you, because its hilarious to us, every time some young turk keyboard jockey with too much of daddy’s money, and too much time on their hands pulls this shit, Comprende’

  80. I still disagree says:

    LAME! LAME REBUTTLES ! LAME JOKES! LAME!

  81. I still disagree – everyone knows that butchering the language is okay as long as it doesnt, for instance, change the message you are trying to convey. So some errors are okay while others are not. Everyone knows that responding to someone who has responded to a comment by pointing out these errors is someone who other ones might not otherwise find ironic. Also, referring to poorly written prose as “creative” is odd. Everyone knows that “big boned” actually means “fat”, no matter if she swears she has a “slow metabolism”. Erm, yes… one would hope there is typically a difference between speaking and writing for a newspaper… especially given some of the most egregious grammatical “creativity” occurs in them… Oh, and they are written so as not to vaunt the command of a 3rd-grader.

    Now, please… back to the hive-mind with a white hot poker in your rear.

  82. I DENOUNCE ALL OF YOU!!! RACISTS!!!

    where’s BJTexs when you need him?

    actually, seeing as how my rl last name is White, I probably can’t do any denouncing. evar.

  83. SarahW says:

    Hypocrisy doesn’t pay. You pay Hypocrisy!

    The Compleat volumes of Things Thomas Jefferson said…or was that Yakov Smirnov?

  84. E. Nough says:

    I’m still trying to parse diverse perspective.

  85. I still disagree says:

    This is why you peole can’t relate to your children….you’re just too lame and uncool! AND TO BIG BONG HITTER- lay off the crack! No one said anything about guilt game!

    You have a guilty consience.

  86. magin how hip wed be if’n we just wrote like dis or sumthin so as not to actualmente have to look anything up, read abook or anything else, LOL. its like in this way you can just say it like u feel it, ya no? its like so much more sinser er whatevah, becas like it jus flows.

  87. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    LAME! LAME REBUTTLES ! LAME JOKES! LAME!

    Hint: if you have five or six people laughing at you, and you don’t get the joke… well… it’s not them. It’s you.

    Sorry.

  88. This is why you peole can’t relate to your children

    um, what if we don’t have children? There’s one of those crazy assumptions again.

  89. maggie – we have a couple extra if’n yer wantum/

  90. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    This is why you peole can’t relate to your children

    Maybe that’s what’s going on with you? Too many parents…errr..”relating” to their children in your ancestry?

  91. not so much, Enoch. not so much. plus, um, stories I’ve heard around here about your youth, your children are probably hellions. it’s like with RTO’s nephews… this is going to be sooooo fun to watch. ;D

  92. I still disagree says:

    ENOCH_ROOT_twp….

    “Now, please… back to the hive-mind with a white hot poker in your rear.”

    lease leave your twisted fantasies at your subscribed sites.
    Thank you!

  93. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “consience.”

    – Ohnoes….Not that….anything but that…..not a guilty consience. I have no choice. I hereby denounce myself. (Or should that be denoscience myself?)

    – Heh…..Hehheh….. Oh gawd….this amusement never ends.

  94. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    peole

    I understand that some of the young’uns are getting their peoles pierced these days. I don’t think I’d want to do any “relatin'” with anyone who had bits of applied metallurgy in those sensitive regions. Could wind up like the drunk fisherman who tried to fuck his tacklebox.

  95. I still disagree says:

    Hint: if you have five or six people laughing at you, and you don’t get the joke… well… it’s not them. It’s you.

    well my friend it would depend on how those people dress! lame is lame…. don’t try to evade the fact that you are square.

  96. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    this is going to be sooooo fun to watch.

    It’s Bill Cosby’s Parent’s Curse.

    “Someday I hope you have a child who acts just the way you do!”

    “And this curse WORKS!”

  97. lease leave…

    how does that work? you’re not even old enough to drive, dude.

  98. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    well my friend it would depend on how those people dress!

    Well, I’m wearing underwear at the moment.

    Does that count?

  99. Karl says:

    I still disargee,

    Again, had you bothered to read the links you would have discovered that I have written at length on black liberation theology, all the way back to Cone, and further back to Cone’s influences, like German theologian Karl Barth.

    Second, you would have discovered the 10-year longitudinal study of black churches I cited in noting that TUCC is not repesentative of most predominantly black churches. You would have found the arguments refuting the notion that Wright’s sermons were examples of the traditional prophetic voice, both in general and in the tradition of black churches particularly.

    Third, you are assuming I have never been in a black church, which would be a dangerous assumption to make. But I prefer to note studies like those just mentioned, which encompass more black churches than you or I have visited.

    Fourth, defending the style of the sermon is quite beside the point. It is the race-baiting and anti-Americanism of the content to which people object.

    So you can “still disagree” until the end of time, but the fact that you claim to have visited black churches really does not begin to address the factual, substantive criticisms of Wright or TUCC.

  100. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “like the drunk fisherman who tried to fuck his tacklebox.

    – He couldn’t help it, He got hooked on it.

  101. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    how does that work?

    I think it’s a rental place for office plants. “Leased Leaves”.

  102. Maggie! ok, fine. they’re hellions. you have a point there. nonetheless, you’re welcome to “lease leave” them if they destroy the furniture.

  103. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    “Square”?

    Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. What’s next, “Groovy”? “23 Skidoo”?

  104. Darleen says:

    This is why you peole can’t relate to your children

    I relate to my children quite fine, thank you. That’s why they’ve graduated high school/college, have good jobs, love and are loved, write legibly, drive sensibly and don’t have a rap sheet.

    What would we find on your rap sheet, Mr/s. Disagreeable?

  105. you’re welcome to “lease leave” them if they destroy the furniture.

    I already gots kittehs for that. and I can leave them alone in the house with extra food and water if I want to go on vacation.

  106. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    What’s next

    – OK lets see…..thinking back to the 60’s or 70’s I think it was:

    “Tune in, shoot up, drop dead”…or something like that…Timothy Leary would know….

    – What?….Hes dead…..Well then he can’t help you.

  107. Darleen says:

    Square?

    Um, this is nishi’s failed clone experiment?

  108. Um, this is nishi’s failed clone experiment?

    nah. spellins 2 gud.

  109. Darleen says:

    BTW Disagreeable

    My ancestors were slaves. (brought to this country in 1697 and sold to work on a plantation in Virginia)

    My ancestors were not black.

    ————-
    That outta be good enough to seize up Disagreeable’s two neurons for a bit.

  110. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Oooo ooo I know…..It was a giant can of Campbells tomato soup……yeh……thats the ticket……Yo!

  111. I can leave them alone in the house with extra food and water if I want to go on vacation.

    “Lease Leaving” Clan Collins offspring alone in a beloved home for any extended period of time (say, a half an hour) is, as you have correctly discerned, not such a great idea.

  112. BBH, speaking of pop icons, have you seen this?

  113. I still disagree says:

    Ok I’m not getting anything from you people. Maybe a few spelling classes but that’s probably the most worth while thing I’ll get from this site.

    I am happy to be able to say that I don’t surround myself with people like you, nor with people who would like you.

    It was fun but I gotta go!
    White Power!

  114. Ok I’m not getting anything from you people.

    because you chose to argue with the gnomes in your head and came in swinging wildly.

  115. Sean M. says:

    Ok I’m not getting anything from you people. Maybe a few spelling classes but that’s probably the most worth while thing I’ll get from this site.

    You forgot about the scorn.

  116. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    I’m still trying to parse diverse perspective.

    This will explain all.

  117. Jeff G. says:

    You know, for a square guy, I once found myself hip deep in some really drunk Doublemint twins.

    And really, does the fact I had a calculator watch on at the time somehow diminish that achievement?

  118. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “I am happy to be able to say that I don’t surround myself with people like you, nor with people who would like you. WHITE POWER!

    – Why does that parting sentiment send such a warm tingly feeling up my ObamaLegâ„¢.

    – Man that feels so good I just know I’m in for some really really Uber-denouncing. I think I had a small orgasm. My bad.

  119. does the fact I had a calculator watch on at the time somehow diminish that achievement?

    most definitely, Daddy-o!

  120. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – And maggie, it comes in XXL super douche size too.

  121. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    I am happy to be able to say that I don’t surround myself with people like you

    Yeah, the constant public humiliation would get to be a “drag” after a while, I’ll bet. Maybe “bummer” the word that you young “beatniks” and “hepcats” are using these days. I don’t remember.

  122. Karl says:

    Wow, for someone with a diverse perspective, really intolerant and played the race card when confronted with facts.

    Shocka!

  123. Darleen says:

    really, does the fact I had a calculator watch on at the time somehow diminish that achievement?

    Only if you were also wearing knee high black socks.

  124. SarahW says:

    Toe socks would be okay.

  125. Darleen says:

    Ok I’m not getting anything from you people

    oh crap. I demand better quality in a troll.

    was that you Caric?

  126. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA says:

    Only if you were also wearing knee high black socks.

    Sandals and hernia truss optional.

  127. B Moe says:

    The black church was founded before the white church. North Africa was majority Christian by the third or fourth century, well before it became established in northern Europe or the British Isles. And white people bought slaves in Africa because that is where slaves were for sale. Africans had been selling slaves to one another and the middle east for centuries before the first Americans started buying them. Doesn’t make it right, but fuck you if you think I should feel guilty about it.

  128. thor says:

    Comment by Karl on 6/15 @ 10:58 pm #

    I still disargee,

    Again, had you bothered to read the links you would have discovered that I have written at length on black liberation theology, all the way back to Cone, and further back to Cone’s influences, like German theologian Karl Barth.

    I’ve skimmed through much of what you wrote, Karl. I’ve come to the hard conclusion that you’re a gullible chump who is way over his head intellectually.

    You’re young, KK. Maybe when you grow up you’ll become half the man Barack Obama is.

  129. SarahW says:

    “when confronted with facts”

    Yeah, thought he’d flee.

  130. Jeff G. says:

    Maybe when you grow up you’ll become half the man Barack Obama is.

    Wait, I thought Karl was already white?

  131. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Damn it Moe. See what you did. Every time we get a hottie prole going in full regatta, you show up with your encyclopedic boxer shorts and scare the crap out of them and poof!

  132. Jeff G. says:

    LAYUP!

  133. thor says:

    Props.

  134. geoffb says:

    Just too cubicial man!

  135. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Well except for thunb sucking thor, and hes too much of a dumb fuck to pull his other thumb out of his ass unless someone yells SWITCH!

  136. Karl says:

    thor,

    Criticism from a liar, racist and O! ass-kisser doesn’t bother me. Quite the contrary, really.

  137. Sean M. says:

    I’ve come to the hard conclusion that you’re a gullible chump who is way over his head intellectually.

    That’s knot Karl, thor. That’s a mirror.

  138. SarahW says:

    JeffG –

    Oof that one got me in the plexus. Full of win, right at the buzzer.

    NIght!

  139. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I wonder if Fr. Pfleger will get his old job at the morgue back….

  140. Karl says:

    That was a nice one from JG.

  141. geoffb says:

    It has always been a wonderment to me that all the dress and lingo on the left still seems stuck in the 60s. Back then it was at least somewhat original, but 40 years on?

    I try to imagine in the late 60s the rebellious on campus saying “23 Skidoo” and “Oh you kid” while wearing Raccoon coats and swallowing goldfish at protest rallies.

    That’s what comes to mind when I see pictures and video of the marches nowadays.

  142. Darleen says:

    Comment by Jeff G. on 6/15 @ 11:29 pm #

    Ha!

  143. BJTexs says:

    Comment by maggie katzen on 6/15 @ 10:48 pm #

    I DENOUNCE ALL OF YOU!!! RACISTS!!!

    where’s BJTexs when you need him?

    (puffing) I’M HERE! I’M HERE! (wheeze)

    I do hereby issue a blanket and universal denouncement and condemn all of “you people” as !RACIST PROGENY OF SLAVE OWNERS AND CLUELESS WHITE FOLK!!!eleventy!!!11

    […]

    Um … hello? Is this thing on … ?

  144. Roboc says:

    I’ve got news for you that is just how black churches preach!

    I was going to link to articles where other black pastors rejected Rev. Wright’s comments, but I’m sure these pastors would be labeled “House Negroes”. I attended black churches when I went to college in the South, and they’re nothing like “I disagree” described. It was always thoughtful reflection on the Gospel of Christ, and how it applied to our daily lives, not some raving lunacy about oppressive “whitey” racism. Just because someone calls himself/herself a christian, doesn’t make them one. Rev. Wright is no christian, otherwise he wouldn’t conduct himself in such a manner.

  145. JD says:

    Racist sexist homophobes, all of you.

  146. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I was waiting for the standard excuse #1432, “Well this can’t be all that bad, see, every bodies doing it”, and they never disappoint. In fact the only good thing about the Espees is their polly wants a cracker predictability. And BJ, you missed all the fun.

  147. ahem says:

    Dan, are you fucking with us again?

  148. Salt Lick says:

    YOUR MAMA! is so fat she takes aspirin with mayonnaise.

  149. syn says:

    Whoopie Goldberg doesn’t think Supreme Court Justice Thomas is ‘black’; does this mean she’s RAAACCISTTTT?

  150. Mikey NTH says:

    I missed a good one, I see.
    This what happens when you try to develop a life – you miss a good party, complete with troll pinata.

  151. Mike says:

    “Ok I’m not getting anything from you people. Maybe a few spelling classes but that’s probably the most worth while thing I’ll get from this site.”

    Arguing with an idiot is like trying to teach a pig to sing.

  152. Carin -BONC says:

    Yo momma so stupid I told her the drinks were on the house, and she went to get a ladder …

  153. Salt Lick says:

    Your mama’s so fat that she was diagnosed with a flesh-eating disease and told she only had 89 years to live.

  154. Carin -BONC says:

    Your momma’s so fat, people jog around HER for exercise.

  155. Your momma’s so fat, when she gets on the scale it says to be continued.

  156. McGehee says:

    Your momma’s so fat, when she goes up the stairs she has to make two trips.

  157. Sean M. says:

    Your momma’s got an afro with a chinstrap.

  158. daleyrocks says:

    thor – Where can I get me some of them Obama brain douches you use?

  159. GGayle Jackson says:

    Reverand Wright and the others of his ilk (Al Sharpton and cousin Jesse, etc.)make their living by marginalizing their own race. If they were to speak the truth and say, if you work hard you can accomplish anything, nobody would pay attention to them. Instead they help their followers abdicate personal responsibility and blame their own situations on something external like whites, the government, NAFTA or global warming. People like being victims. It makes it easier to stay of the couch and watch TV, and gives them an excuse in their own minds for not doing anything else. I don’t know why I’m writing this anyway. Nobody will read it. Damn racists.

  160. SarahW says:

    Yo’ mama so bald, I can read her mind.

  161. alppuccino says:

    Yo momma so fat, when she hugged a 12-year-old they put out an Amber Alert.

  162. SarahW says:

    Yo mama so fat, her carbon footprint make diamonds.

  163. Karl says:

    I denounce yo momma.
    And Yo-Yo Ma.

  164. B Moe says:

    Yo momma so dumb, I told her I wanted to try skin diving so she went and shaved.

  165. CArin -BONC says:

    GGayle – That’s why we’re doing “Yo momma” jokes.

    Yo momma’s so fat, when she goes to a restaurant she gets an estimate.

  166. Rusty says:

    I’ve skimmed through much of what you wrote, Karl. I’ve come to the hard conclusion that you’re a gullible chump who is way over his head intellectually.

    Judging from your contributions, I don’t think you’re reading it right.

  167. SarahW says:

    You mamma so fat, when she see the schoolbus roll by she run after it and shout “Stop that Twinkie”! And if she don’t catch it she run down the road and eat all the grandma’s and preachers and volunteers so the filling don’t go to waste.

  168. GGayle Jackson says:

    how bout this one? Yo Momma so fat when she sat on the beach it caused a high tide.

  169. cranky-d says:

    If she so fat, how do she be running so fast?

    I denounce myself for that.

  170. GGayle Jackson says:

    or Yo momma so fat that the earth orbits her.

  171. daleyrocks says:

    Yo mama’s so fat she had to get baptised at Sea World.

  172. daleyrocks says:

    Yo mama’s so fat her cereal bowl comes with a lifeguard

  173. daleyrocks says:

    Yo mama’s so fat that when God said “let there be light” he had to ask her to move.

  174. Salt Lick says:

    Rusty, yo mama so fat she used an ironing board for a tampon.

  175. CArin -BONC says:

    You mama’s so fat, when she sat on the beach, volunteers from Greenpeace showed up and tried to push her back into the Ocean.

  176. Gray says:

    Your mama’s so fat she gots smaller fat women in orbit around her!

  177. daleyrocks says:

    Yo mama’s so fat, I took a picture of her last Christmas and it’s still printing.

  178. JD says:

    yo mamma so fat when her cell phone rings it sounds like the back up signal for a dump truck.

  179. B Moe says:

    I saw yo momma kickin a can down the street, I said, “What you doin?”
    She said, “Movin'”.

  180. SarahW says:

    If she so fat, how do she be running so fast?

    Well yo’ mama so slow, it takes her 2 days just to wake up from the day befo’.

  181. alppuccino says:

    Excuse me stewardess, I speak jive.

  182. SGT Ted says:

    Hey America! I’ve got news for you that is just how black churches preach! Yes Rev Wright said some things that politicians’ can’t say and that’s where you get it mixed up. If I want to go here the truth I go to a preacher If I want to go here propaganda then I will go to a politician.

    Quit justifying bigotry and hatred, you turd.

  183. McGehee says:

    Your momma is so fat, she doesn’t go up the stairs, the house goes down.

  184. McGehee says:

    Your momma’s so fat her scale has to weigh herself on a logarithmic scale.

  185. McGehee says:

    Your momma’s so fat she has to weigh herself on the Richter scale.

  186. McGehee says:

    Your momma’s so fat that the universe ain’t gonna end with a bang or a whimper, but with a belch.

  187. Roboc says:

    Hey America! I’ve got news for you that is just how black churches preach! Yes Rev Wright said some things that politicians’ can’t say and that’s where you get it mixed up. If I want to go here the truth I go to a preacher If I want to go here propaganda then I will go to a politician.

    Quit justifying bigotry and hatred, you turd.

    You sound like a fine parishioner, God bless you!

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