Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in a statement he was “deeply disappointed” in Father Michael Pfleger, after the priest –in a scene caught on videotape– mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y) from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago–the home church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. UPDATE Click below for Pfleger apology
“As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause,” Obama said in a statement.
For video http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/father_michael_pflager.html#more
“I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them.”
Father Pfleger, forgive my naivete, but what about Jesus’ life and message? Douchebag.
Comment by dre on 5/29 @ 5:34 pm #
I think O! is doing the first reality based comedy.
Comment by happyfeet on 5/29 @ 5:36 pm #
I have no freaking desire to come together in a common cause with you, Baracky. None whatsoever. I have my own cause. It’s happyfeet’s cause. I am not sharing my cause with you, Baracky. You’re a freak and a socialist and a condescending douchebag. You and your freaky pastors can have plenty common cause without me. Love, hf.
Comment by Sean M. on 5/29 @ 5:42 pm #
Same difference, innit?
Comment by Rick Ballard on 5/29 @ 5:45 pm #
“but what about Jesus’ life..?”
What does the Latino vote have to do with this? Is Jesus an illegal or something?
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[...] Ed Brill wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in a statement he was “deeply disappointed” in Father Michael Pfleger, after the priest –in a scene caught on videotape– mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y) from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago–the home church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. UPDATE Click below for Pfleger apology “As I have traveled … [visit site to read more] [...]
Comment by Karl on 5/29 @ 5:51 pm #
Enter Paul Lukasiak, in the role of the stopped clock:
To which I would add: Pfleger’s response is “sorry if I reflected badly on the Obamessiah; sorry if you were offended by what I really think and what O!’s congregation cheers on.”
Comment by lee on 5/29 @ 5:51 pm #
You forget Dan, in that church Jesus is black and racist. He’s not the Hebrew Jesus we all know.
Comment by Karl on 5/29 @ 5:52 pm #
$%#**O!&%##!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA on 5/29 @ 5:54 pm #
Ah, Trinity United Church of Christ. The gift that keeps on giving.
Comment by dicentra on 5/29 @ 6:06 pm #
Just heard some excerpts from Pfleger on Hewitt: the guy says that white folks can’t claim to be not guilty of what their ancestors did because we have benefited from what our ancestors did. And until we’re ready to give up all our stuff in penance, we will continue to be guilty.
Um, Mr. Pfleger. I know that I have benefited from what my ancestors did. Guess what? SO HAVE YOU, ya moron, or do you fancy yourself a victim of starvation/malaria/kleptocracy/civil war in Africa?
Comment by MayBee on 5/29 @ 6:11 pm #
It’s like TUCC just goes crazy on the Sundays Barack isn’t there.
Comment by sashal on 5/29 @ 6:16 pm #
wow, what a controversy.
That’s it.
If Dennis Kucinich (and his lovely Stonehenge Druid wife!) doesn’t get the Democratic Presidential Nomination, I’m writing in Barack Obama. Period.
Comment by Sean M. on 5/29 @ 6:16 pm #
Teh Obamessiah is a calming influence. The peace, it just radiates from him.
Comment by lee on 5/29 @ 6:20 pm #
jee Karl, was that for me?
Comment by lee on 5/29 @ 6:21 pm #
I mean, if so, I’m sorry you were offended by anything I said!
Comment by dre on 5/29 @ 6:21 pm #
I’m glad O! is redoing “Good Times” from the 70s. O! looks like Jimmy Walker.
Comment by SarahW on 5/29 @ 6:23 pm #
Jesus/ Obama
Auschwitz/Ohrdruf
What’s the dif among friends?
Comment by sashal on 5/29 @ 6:25 pm #
none Sarah, no difference, especially in the second case
Comment by sashal on 5/29 @ 6:28 pm #
10, dicentra
Relax. Take a deep breath. We’ll all get through this.
I , btw, have not benefited from what my ancestors did.
Can I get some?
Comment by Christopher Taylor on 5/29 @ 6:30 pm #
Well this looks like a 100% total admission that what they do is politics, not religion, and the tax exemption status is up for examination by the IRS. He clearly preached a “sermon” about how bad Senator Clinton is – pure politics – and then apologized that it wasn’t in line with Senator Obama’s campaign. That’s obviously not proper for a tax exempt church.
Comment by thor - typical PW traffic driver on 5/29 @ 6:41 pm #
Something decidedly unseemly happen recently in the Trinity United house of clowns?
It so does not matter. O! is the 1!
Comment by ThomasD on 5/29 @ 6:41 pm #
So, basically he’s not sorry because he doesn’t believe what he said, he’s just sorry cause it hurts his (m)essiah.
Oh, and Jesus aint gonna get the father a gig at no National Cathedral.
Comment by B Moe on 5/29 @ 6:51 pm #
Well this looks like a 100% total admission that what they do is politics, not religion, and the tax exemption status is up for examination by the IRS. He clearly preached a “sermon†about how bad Senator Clinton is – pure politics – and then apologized that it wasn’t in line with Senator Obama’s campaign.
It wasn’t in line with Obama’s “Official” campaign position. As you say, these are purely political people, I can no longer believe these outbursts aren’t intentional.
Comment by dre on 5/29 @ 6:55 pm #
Kill “The Living Constitution” now!
Comment by guinsPen on 5/29 @ 7:04 pm #
MayBee wins.
Comment by Percy Dovetonsils on 5/29 @ 7:10 pm #
The sad thing is, Saint Sabina (Pfleger’s parish) is where my parents were married.
Needless to say, my honky ass is not welcome there. Although I do hope my parents haunt the place. I mean, in total Jacob Marley chains n’ shit.
(And may I just say, I am experiencing numerous raging boners over the outside world learning what a loony bin the South Side of Chicago is. This is why I live on the north side, and repeatedly ask my wife to put the house on the market so we can move out of this vile freak show of a city.)
Comment by Enoch_Root - BONC also on 5/29 @ 7:18 pm #
is this a Roman Catholic Priest?
If so, WTF… must be a Jesuit.
Comment by Enoch_Root - BONC also on 5/29 @ 7:19 pm #
Needs to be defrocked. POS.
Comment by Masui on 5/29 @ 7:30 pm #
Where’s JD?
You all are funny people.
And you get the funny I mean.
Comment by thor - typical PW traffic driver on 5/29 @ 7:32 pm #
Father Mike did a deft impression of Hillary though, spot on with the tears, I’d say.
O!
Comment by Masui on 5/29 @ 7:33 pm #
Ready recipes!
Darleen, yours are the best.
Followed by yellowfeet.
Comment by Masui on 5/29 @ 7:39 pm #
Name Bush’s pastor you numbnuts.
Bush talks to God.
Look where that got us.
You all know I only play with ya.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates - UMBA on 5/29 @ 7:39 pm #
Via Ace: Texas Supreme Court concurs with lower court.
Read it and weep, nishidiot.
Comment by Satan's lapdog on 5/29 @ 7:51 pm #
As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed by people who are sold as honest, changey, not your usual variety of politician actually being honest, changey, not your usual variety of politicians. Unfortunately, this shithead isn’t one of them. Anybody that has been duped by this asshole is seriously lacking anything remotely close to common sense or good instincts. I don’t mean anybody that calls themselves an honest to goodness “real” progressive as Obama would be there guy due to his policy prescriptions. His marketing persona is icing on the cake, but I can see why he’s there man due to his political leanings. I’m talking about self identified libertarian/conservative/classical liberals, who actually believe this shithead is a different breed of national politician. Dopes.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/29 @ 7:55 pm #
nishit – When it comes to “working and playing” with others, we get the firm impression that in your case, that rarely if ever happens.
- However if you’re lobbying for the first moonbat to evidence a tiny sense of humor to Guiness, then knock yourself out.
Coming from the wrong side of the aisle as you do though, I should warn you that they require some sort of proof. I know that concept is an alien idea to the Left, but such is teh breaks sparky.
Comment by thor - typical PW traffic driver on 5/29 @ 7:55 pm #
Well, he is kind’a different, if for nothing else he wasn’t afraid to stand up and tan the white off Hillary’s ass, you effen dope-hole.
Comment by Satan's lapdog on 5/29 @ 8:24 pm #
Ah, figured that would smoke you out, but, actually no, Thor. I realize that you’re parody, but anybody could have, and would have done the same. She’s a rather large target. There is nothing unique about O!
Comment by JD on 5/29 @ 9:01 pm #
So far, Michelle is about the only person close to Baracky that he has not thrown under the back of the bus.
MayBee – Pitch perfect. All of those Sundays at Trinity, and the only time they go show their asses in the pulpit are when Baracky is not there. Kittens, puppies, kites, and flowers when he is there.
Comment by SAM on 5/29 @ 9:13 pm #
Pfleger said:
“These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them.â€Â
Why do people like him issue these non-apology apologies? There’s no repentence involved when he says he’s sorrow “if” someone was offended. It’s a juvenile game they play. In truth, Hagee pulled the same stunt, but a Catholic organization accepted it simply to get the matter out of the papers. But the point is the arrogant insincerity.
Beyond that, Obama already has Wright pinned to his forehead till the election. The question now is whether Obama wants to pin this Trinity church to his forehead too. When he ditched Wright, he said he was staying (clinging to?) with the church and he lauded Wright’s successor. I read and heard where the successor isn’t much different from Wright. I’d say it’s time for the press to begin pressing Obama about his continued membership at this church. If McCain were a 20-year MEMBER in a comparable white church, he’d be booted from the race in disgrace.
This is an extraordinary double standard.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/29 @ 9:26 pm #
“This is an extraordinary double standard.
- For the Left there simply is no perfidy too feckless, nor any double standard too hypocritical. It is all “for the greater good” you see. That, and “Teh “Narrative”(tm). The narrative is their god.
Trackback by The Cutting Edge on 5/29 @ 9:35 pm #
“Father” Mike Pfleger: Holy SH*T Head!!…
Jesus who? I’ll wager the members and ministers of Trinity United Church of Christ are more concerned with politics and cash flow than with the dissemination of any religious, Christian message.
Now is the time to question TUCC’s continued Tax Exe…
Comment by dicentra on 5/29 @ 9:56 pm #
My first boyfriend used to say, “I’m sorry you were hurt, but I’m not sorry I said it.”
Because it was my fault for being hurt. He was just swinging his fist. I was stupid enough to be standing in the way.
I now realize what an abusive posture that is; talk about blaming the victim…
Comment by Darleen on 5/29 @ 10:02 pm #
I’m “white” but my ancestors were slaves. Clicks got here in 1697 and were sold to work on a plantation in Virginia. Took ‘em 60 years to get free of the bond.
So, where are my reparations?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/29 @ 10:18 pm #
- The check is in the mail.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/29 @ 10:33 pm #
- What?…..you don’t believe me?…..Man, you plantation chicks are all alike…..one lousy drink, and you think you own a guy.
Comment by Noah D on 5/29 @ 11:17 pm #
“is this a Roman Catholic Priest?
If so, WTF… must be a Jesuit.”
How does the joke go…
‘What’s the difference between a Benedictine and a Jesuit?’
‘The Benedictines were formed to deal with the Albigensian heresy, the Jesuits to deal with the Protestant heresy.’
‘Still, though, what’s the difference?’
‘Seen any Albigensians lately?’
***
Back in the day, this guy would have been sent waaaaaaay out somewhere faraway and full of nasty pagans, or to some minor monastery with a vow of silence. A spirit of ecumenism is one thing, but to come and speak at somewhere as deeply, deeply heretical as TUCC…wow. Let alone what he said…
Wait – are we sure he’s not Episcopalian?
Comment by bill on 5/29 @ 11:34 pm #
What is amazing is this old white guy trying to throw down in the cadence of a Black preacher. Message aside he really looks like a buffoon. If anybody has ever seen the tv preacherette Paula White she tries to pull off the same stunt and looks even more ludicrous.What a great big stupid world we live in.And we have the Three Stooges running for the throne.
Comment by Democrat Superdelegate on 5/30 @ 12:04 am #
Oh, you’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.
Comment by Enoch_Root - BONC also on 5/30 @ 12:10 am #
What is a SuperDelicate doing here?
Go drink a latte.
Comment by Democrat Superdelegate on 5/30 @ 12:27 am #
I think I’m gonna need something a little stronger. Got any cyanide?
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 12:56 am #
OTOH, Paula Deen can flat bring it. With lard.
Comment by Sean M. on 5/30 @ 1:23 am #
So, what are you saying? Now a brother can’t throw his associates under the front of the bus?
RRRRRRAAAAAAACISSSSSST!!!1!one!!eleven!!1!
Comment by Salt Lick on 5/30 @ 3:16 am #
From Obama’s “Dreams from My Father” -
“It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: (White) People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.”
Comment by B Moe on 5/30 @ 4:16 am #
Well this just has to be a conincidence:
http://tinyurl.com/4okbfq
Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.
Maybe even a mistake, seeing how Progressives are opposed to Faith-based Initiatives and all that.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 5:15 am #
O! is a fraud. He’s also a liar. Sashal and thor can’t give up the host. I doubt that even the discovery of dismembered bodies buried on his estate would do.
Any white candidate from either party of either gender who spent 20 years in a church that preached, through its published mission statement and from its pulpit, a consistant white supremacist, Jews are evil Jesus killers etc. mantra would be tarred, feathered and run out of the campaign on a cliffward rail. The double standard is firmly in place and breathtaking but continues to take a beating from each new revelation.
Thor and sashal can blow off TUCC as much as they want but this guy is running for president and the spotlight is hot. Ya can’t choose what inconvenient parts of your life you want to have ignored, especially those parts that reflect on potential policy decisions and issue alignment. Obama has never directly addressed the BLT issue with regards to his personal opinion on the theology. I suspect that he won’t, either. Not because he is or has been a full blown BLT radical but because almost any answer he gives opens himself up to new questioning and incomplete, inconvenient answers. He’ll continue to try and distance himself from the speakers while hoping against hope that he can deke, Gayle Sayers like, any direct on his personal views of his church’s bedrock mission.
He’s trapped in this cage of his own contruction. 20 years of listening to and nodding at radicalized black empowerment demands a clear answer from the candidate as well as a clearer repudiation of the Theology if that is his want. McCain repudiated and rejected Hagee even though he had no connection to the pastor beyond his political endorement. The two are not even close to being comparable.
Time to take the blinkers off, boys and girls. Couple this constant apology/repudiation parsing with Chicago machine politics, incoherent economic and tax policies, a constantly fungible foreign policy and an almost complete lack of experience and what you have is a candidate that, while not a “lightweight,” is simply not ready for the national stage, either in form or substance.
O! (noes)
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 5:51 am #
For the good Father to preach Jesus’ life and message he would have to become less narcissitic and empty the hate from his heart. And that is just not going to happen.
Sen. Obama’s congregation sounds like the sort of people you want to stay far, far away from.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 6:12 am #
The reality that is Barack Obama’s life is at odds with the advertised Barack Obama. Really at odds, and that kind of contradiction gets noticed, even by people who do not pay much attention to politics. The contradictions, if there are enough of them and if they are truly glaring, will be what is remembered, what will form the impression of who Barack Obama is.
He cannot afford any more of these events, but they will keep happening. Enough of these and the advertised Barack Obama is going to be gone.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 6:29 am #
- BJ, Mikey – I guess I’m just not seeing all this intensity when it comes to his “real” internals in regards to religion. What I see is much more along the lines of a fairly street smart young turk, gaming the system for all its worth, including each and every angle he can play it for, including the Wright/Pfleger maniacs (both of whom I see as also gaming the “flock”), in more of a “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” political playpen. I see carny huckster opportunism, not blind theology. I’m not even sure hes all that really commited to Marxist/Socialist pandetry.
- For me the problem with O! is that hes such a product of his dog eat dog background from the Chicago pits, it will be tears before his real game plan and beliefs are risable and readible.
- Still, just as much in that sense as any other (he gets it hinest coming from that political alligator swamp as he does, where you do the mask just to survive) he remains a blank slate, idiomatically unreadable, and therefore as you say, not ready for the big time.
- Until I get some idea of just “who” Mr. Obama is, I regard him as a somewhat interesting new comer with possibly a bright future in politics. Running for Pres. at this point. Uhuh. Don’t bother with the fork, hes not done. At times hes looked to me, when he was under fire, like a loquacious freshman trying to fake his way through a mid-term exam. Off the hip, naive answers, that don’t match the PR hype. But then again, maybe I’m being too critical. I know I’d have hated to try to do what hes doing at his age.
Comment by Rob O'Connor on 5/30 @ 6:38 am #
“Theologians who make black experience all-determinative have, in a way, made the same mistake some white racists did during the days of slavery – only in reverse. Just as some whites imposed their “experience” as slavemasters onto Scripture in order to justify slavery, so some blacks have imposed the “black experience” onto Scripture to justify their radical views on liberation. Both positions have erred. For blacks to use such an experience-oriented methodology is to condone the very kind of method used by those who enslaved them. In my thinking, this is self-defeating at best.”-Ron Rhodes
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 7:03 am #
BBH: I don’t fundamentaly disagree with your analysis. The very fact that he has refused up until now to state clearly and without equivocation his personal views on BLT is in perfect alignment with his “generalizing” his message for the masses.
However, he still has to account for his affiliations, both personal and political. A proper assessment of his political philosophy will be gleened from both his direct work, organizationally and legislatively, in issues and policies and his associations that may reflect his own political values.
Thus he is held accountable for the BLT preached as a center piece of his church of 20 years, even if I think he’s not a BLT hardliner. One sees the fudging of the image in just the sorts of things he left out of his books. For instance; the inclusion of the soft, community activist part of his church’s mission statement while leaving out the whole “blacks living under white oppression” and “middle-classism” statements. As I’ve noted before he’s trying to craft a “non scary black guy” image and has been largely successful. Little bits and pieces of something deeper seep out, like the socialist who runs his web site, the Weathermen connection, the lobbyists and oil company executives who work for his campaign, Tony Rezko and his inconvenient pastoral connections.
If it was his expectation that these inconvenient associations could be managed and left unexplained then that, more than anything else, reflects a candidate who is ultimately not ready to compete on the national stage.
The fact that he can still win reflects the incredibly high level of voter disatisfaction with national government in general and the willingness of a significant percentage of same to vote almost entirely with their hearts while putting their common sense and political ideals in the root cellar.
That and the fact that the opposition candidate is considered mediorre at best to a significant sampling of the opposition party.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 7:07 am #
There’s that old, “I’m sorry you were offended” non-apology. No admittance of doing wrong.
Not much of a Catholic, is he?
Comment by Dan Collins on 5/30 @ 7:13 am #
I don’t know, Rob. Timmah’s defending him in my latest thread.
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 7:14 am #
Not much of a Catholic, is he?
Can you imagine this guy with any amount of political power? I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating, thank God for Jefferson.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 7:50 am #
BBH:
I wasn’t commenting on Marxism/socialism or really any kind of belief.
My comment was that Sen. Obama has advertised himself as a particular type of person; and that he is a newcomer, thus he has to fix people’s impressions of him – what is thought of when the name ‘Barack Obama’ is said.
Things like Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger – the whole Trinity experience – Ayers and Dohrn, Rezko, and so on are at odds with his advertised image. The contradictions are harmful to him because contradictions stand out, they get more attention than things that are consistent to the advertised image. This is harmful to Sen. Obama because his image is not fully set and the danger is that the contradictions may overshadow the advertised image to the point that they become the image.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 8:08 am #
MikeyNTH & BBH:
None of that may matter in the long run. Contrast Lisa’s oft stated reflectional tug of war between image/political philosophy and inconvenient facts with the starry eyed and/or one issue obeisance of thor, nishi and sashal. This is a very good year for a hopey, shiney empty suit PR’ing disturbing things in his back ground to be elected on faith and emotion alone.
Makes me both angry and sad.
Comment by Rob O'Connor on 5/30 @ 8:13 am #
Obamalamadingdong needs to hone his compartmentalization skills!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 8:21 am #
BJ – you always have the starry-eyed ones out there, they are noticeable because they are loud and persistent, not necessarily because they are numerous. The starry-eyed ones also bring a danger to their candidate – they repulse uncommitted or less committed voters. The starry-eyed ones see any criticism of their object of worship as the deepest affront possible and immediately attack the critic, and attack way out of proportion to the offense, and usually using the foulest language and insults available. Contrary to what the starry-eyed ones feel, this doesn’t help at all as the uncommitted or less than committed now has a very good personal reason not to vote for the object of worship.
And actually, I think the long run is better for taking down the object of worship. In the short run there is less time for flaws to become obvious, contradictions noticed, feets of clay acknowledged. The long run allows those flaws to break through the advertised hype, and hype by its very nature is a short-run tool. Too long and it becomes stale.
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 8:26 am #
I remain persuaded by the theme of Shelby Steele’s “A Bound Man: Why we are excited by Obama and why he can’t win”. Seems like we’re excited in the sense that we get excited by a horror movie, Ooh, it’s scary. But then we leave the theater and really, it is not. What’s neat to me, is that Steele could so thoroughly nail this guy Obama, so finely predict the course of his campaign, months before it began, based on nothing more than a sociological model and a lifetime of observation. I mean, y’know, by using his brain for something more than idle cheerleading. Steele could still be wrong, I guess, but every Father Pfleger plopping down on the growing mountain of evidence makes that possibility seem so much smaller.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 8:40 am #
Mikey NTH:
All true and may still come to pass. There is a reasonable construct that suggests more and more of Obama’s inconvenient past leaking its way past the adoring minions of the MSM and, like bricks in the wall, eventually relagating his campaign to Dukakis/Mondale like standards. not ;likely, considering the number of McCain skeptics on the right.
The one factor that remains the stalking horse in this upcoming campaign is the enormous beef that most of the electorate has with the function of government. Even moderates that may usually be Republican leaning may persuade themselves that the hopey but flawed change candidate is better than the same old – same old. That will be determined in large measure on how well McCain organizes and runs his campaign and how many harder core conservatives blow him off in the general. Also, how well Obama connects McCain to Bush, the “McSame” gambit.
This one is a toss up and anybody who thinks they know, at this time, how it’s going to play out is feeding their own ego or engaging in self fulfilling faith projecting.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 9:01 am #
I don’t disagree, BJ. Anything can happen. I was just putting out generalities, which are, unfortunately, not certainties.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 9:21 am #
“….The one factor that remains the stalking horse in this upcoming campaign is the enormous beef that most of the electorate has with the function of government.”
- I tend to chalk that factor as being the most prominent in explaining the O! phenomena. Well that, and the Reps running a Rino, which I’m guessing some insider at the RNC decided would give the right some tiny added advantage in whats generally considered a Fem election plus year. Throw another Left of center candidate in the mix and watch them squirm sort of thing.
- I don’t know anyone thats happy with this years ballgame.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 9:38 am #
Why is it that everytime someone voices there opinion and its related to Barack Obama this country wants him to apologize for it? This just shows you the shallowness of this country and its pundits. Hillary Clinton is injured, and her sole objective is to be dirty and underhanded who is making her apologize for her husband’s comments and actions ? Injured wife, injured politician, desperate politician. Only in American Politricks can a Black Man do the right thing and be held accountable for everyone else’s actions but his own… Damn!!!
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 9:41 am #
Hillary Clinton is injured, and her sole objective is to be dirty and underhanded who is making her apologize for her husband’s comments and actions ?
I’m pretty sure her sole objective is to secure the Democratic nomination and then go on to win the general election.
Only in American Politricks can a Black Man do the right thing and be held accountable for everyone else’s actions but his own
What right thing did the black man (I am assuming you mean Obama) do?
Comment by Dan Collins on 5/30 @ 9:42 am #
I’m sorry. Was someone here asking Obama to apologize for Pfleger?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 9:43 am #
So, MFMouseQuake, you have no problem with the haters and crazies Obama chose to associate with for most of his life?
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 9:48 am #
Just what thing gets to be “a Black Man” and how do we know it when we see it?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 10:01 am #
Here we go again. Dig deep into the history of anyone and craziness and haters will pop up like toast out of a toaster. If Obama started acting like Hillary and throwing dirt to make himself look better than he actually is then what would be your responses to that…
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 10:07 am #
“By throwing dirt to make himself look better than he actually is” you mean saying insincere stuff like “That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric…”? I would venture this whole thread would answer your question. No?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 10:08 am #
I am still laughing :
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 9:48 am #
Just what thing gets to be “a Black Man†and how do we know it when we see it?
How you do know? This country has been built on how YOU see a Black Man, Latino Man, Asian Man and the lot. Remember the Priest is Caucasian… Did you ask him how did he know if he was a Black Man.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 10:10 am #
Deep? The guy Obama named as his “spiritual mentor” is supposedly “deep” in his past? The church he attended for 20 years and gave $20,000 is “deep” in his past? The people he worked with during his meteoric rise in Chicago politics are “deep” in his past?
We’re looking at the people Obama chose to be with. People he names as influential.
And let’s be blunt… if McCain had spent 20 years listening to a preacher who had ONE sermon like Wrights, or attended a church that had a guest preacher 1/10th as crazy as Pfleger, McCain would be out of the race. But the haters and crazies around Obama are ignored or excused…
“Oh, look, it’s a politician campaigning for office!”
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 10:13 am #
What are you talking about?
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 10:14 am #
This country has been built on how YOU see a Black Man, Latino Man, Asian Man and the lot.
That’s really a lot of pressure if you think about it.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 10:15 am #
Oh! Wow… I guess you are Republican who supported Reagan using Astronomy to make decisions for the country too huh?
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 10:17 am #
Wait, was Reagan black? I don’t seem to recall that.
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 10:18 am #
I suspect this has been a Turing Test. There seems to be a machine in the room.
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 10:18 am #
I think you mean astrology, and that was Nancy, not Ron. You remember which one is which, right?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 10:18 am #
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 10:10 am #
We’re looking at the people Obama chose to be with. People he names as influential.
And let’s be blunt… if McCain had spent 20 years listening to a preacher who had ONE sermon like Wrights, or attended a church that had a guest preacher 1/10th as crazy as Pfleger, McCain would be out of the race. But the haters and crazies around Obama are ignored or excused
Man Please… McCain is white…
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 5/30 @ 10:20 am #
He’s WHAT?
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 10:20 am #
McCain is white…
Now your just being mean.
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 10:20 am #
…and the incoherent answers it pops out are not going to improve with time.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 10:22 am #
So? So was Trent Lott.
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 10:22 am #
You mean like if he said “He (McCain) says that he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq” like he did on 2/19? That kind of dirt throwing?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 10:26 am #
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 10:22 am #
You mean like if he said “He (McCain) says that he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq†like he did on 2/19? That kind of dirt throwing?
I am a veteran myself. Ask any Senator or Congressman if their kids can go to Iraq (or even had the remote possibility of going) and see what his response would be. We have cities in America that look worse than Iraq but he is willing to commit to “helping” them at the expense of our own?
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 10:32 am #
You’re not responding to my statement, but I’ll respond to yours:
Start with John McCain, and ask specifically about his sons Jack and James. Then, to keep it fair and balanced, ask Jim Webb.
Comment by Dan Collins on 5/30 @ 10:32 am #
Oh, I see. The US’s interests stop at the border.
Imagine how those cities might look had there been more 9/11s.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 10:38 am #
Hoo-boy. Try looking around and getting information from places other than the far-left, OK?
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 10:41 am #
MFMouseQuake
I agree, we shouldn’t be sending money to combat hunger or AIDS in Africa. Not when there are problems here at home.
Comment by MarkD on 5/30 @ 10:42 am #
Looks like MFMouseQuake peaked at about a 4 on the Richter scale.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:04 am #
Can we get a pulse check here. I bet there are more than a few have never been to the hood?
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 11:06 am #
Is this the part of the program in which we start to exclude opinion due to inauthenticity. Because that would be swell.
I admit, swell is kind of a white word.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:08 am #
WTF?
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 11:09 am #
I used to work on my own cars back in the day but as my income grew and the engines became more complex I found myself resorting to professional mechanics exclusively, so, no I don’t go to the hood much anymore.
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 11:10 am #
A personal message to all the haters.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:11 am #
I remember vent hoods from the chemistry labs, but that was a LONG time ago.
I have some sweat shirts that have hoods, though.
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 11:11 am #
I think an EEG is indicated.
Comment by guinsPen on 5/30 @ 11:13 am #
@ #93
I am a veteran myself.
Thank you for your service.
Which branch?
Comment by Rick Ballard on 5/30 @ 11:16 am #
“I bet there are more than a few have never been to the hood?”
I’ve been to several prog plantations over the past forty years. Lived adjacent to one for two years in the early ’90’s. Did a little tutoring and mentoring, too. Just enough to figure out that my time was better spent at the track.
I never noticed any chains keeping the dopes and mopes penned on the plantation – nothing wrong there that a fleet of U-Hauls couldn’t fix on a long weekend. ‘Course the overseers, like Obama and Conyers, would get miffed about the folks actually doing something positive about the situation. Actually, Conyers is getting a little sweaty these days about all the folks fleeing Detroit. I wonder when he’ll make a play for going back to actual chains?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:19 am #
The hood is what we called Iraq gentlemen…
Comment by Rick Ballard on 5/30 @ 11:24 am #
“We have cities in America that look worse than Iraq but he is willing to commit to “helping†them at the expense of our own?”
I bet there are more than a few have never been to the hood?
The hood is what we called Iraq gentlemen…”
Next time put the decoder ring in the top of the box.
Or not.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:25 am #
Really? Never heard that one before.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 11:26 am #
Is there a chickenhawk taunt in our immediate future? Come on, MF, let it fly!
However, you might want to be a little careful as there are several commentators who either have served and are serving, including some who have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan and at least a couple who are there now.
But go ahead, big boy, swing away.
Oh and thank you for your service. Which branch?
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 11:29 am #
Who’s “we”? A unit, perhaps? Which?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:31 am #
When I was there I saw things that didn’t shake me because my neighborhood was just as blighted as it was. The only difference was we were “supposedly” fighting for democracy for the country. But where is the better life for those of us who are getting shot (as I did) for a cause that isn’t in the position to change. Then come home and get the bozack from the very ones who have sent us there. Its amazing how America can dictate so called “improvement policies” abroad but can’t fix a damn thing at home.
Take a bullet then talk to me Rob.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 11:32 am #
Oh! and the ‘chickenhawk’ argument resurfaces. I was wondering when that would be.
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 11:33 am #
The majority of the vets I’ve spoken to refer to Iraq as “the sandbox” not the hood. I’ve never heard that one.
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 11:34 am #
Jeez, I’m sorry to hear you got shot MFMQ. Where did that happen? When? What unit were you with?
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 11:35 am #
See there BJTexs, what you can do with a little sociological modeling and a lifetime of observation? Nailing it before it happens!
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 11:35 am #
Your neighborhood is blighted? Then why don’t you get off your rear, stop commenting on this blog, and go fix it up already? Or is that the residents of your neighborhood like blight and want to keep it that way?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:36 am #
- MFM – So far you’ve hit the first 5 or 6 talking points on the moonbat “Teh Narrative”(tm) list. All of them are soft Marxist/Socialist redux, where Nannystate Uncle Sam supports your lazy asses from cradle to grave. Why not post all 25 of them at once to save bandwidth, and then you can get back to hitting on that cute SecProgg party worker.
- Adults are trying to discuss serious issues that won’t probably result in another government teat for you to suck on. So run along and play with the other children in your peer group.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 11:37 am #
I’m sorry to hear that you were injured. Was it a sniper attack or an engagement? Were you out on patrol or part of an ongoing operation? Army or Marines?
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 11:39 am #
Sdferr:
Thanks! I’m inspired by Shelby Steele and considering a career change.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:39 am #
Its all good gentleman. Its all good. Its great to here opinions, and that is what makes this country great. To make change happen, sometimes it takes someone to be pissed to get the fire started.
Any military man/woman can tell you – the microcosm of our country is all there. Its funny how you have family there and when you get back home – its back to America’s businesss…
Comment by Pablo on 5/30 @ 11:41 am #
I remember when I liberated Treblinka. Shots were fired. Down on the farm, we called it.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:42 am #
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:36 am #
Let’s talk then… Let it ride….
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:43 am #
- BJT – This brings back old memmories from the Idiotarian blog back some years ago when we had a tin hat regale us for three days about what a suckers we all were for fighting Busjies war. He also claimed to be a vet, and on the third day finally declared he was with the “4th” battalion of the Marine corps. The jig was up at that point, to say the least. Just another asshole howler.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 11:43 am #
You know, you’re neighborhood wouldn’t be a blighted area if the people living there didn’t trash it. Go get them to stop doing that and you won’t have any blight. Don’t wait for government to do it, get out there and show us how its done.
Comment by MlR on 5/30 @ 11:43 am #
Nah, it ain’t all good. Not until you stop being a condescending snot.
Comment by MayBee on 5/30 @ 11:46 am #
This has got to be Semanticleo’s kid. Seman said he’d joined the military.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:47 am #
Comment by Mikey NTH on 5/30 @ 11:43 am # – Comment by MlR on 5/30 @ 11:43 am #
Thanks for the great commentary … I appreciate it…
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:47 am #
Wow! That sounds horrible! What neighborhood is that?
Huh? What can’t be fixed here at home?
I mean, we’ve been pouring money into the “blighted” neighborhoods for longer than I’ve been alive, and not a whole hell of a lot has changed. Except maybe to get worse. When I was a kid, we’d go visit my grandparents in Over-the-Rhine, across from Washington Park. We’d walk down to the corner store without much concern. Today? I’d only go down there if I absolutely had to, and only in the middle of the day, and I’d do my best to park as close to my destination as possible.
Um, why?
Should we require bullet wounds before someone earns the franchise? Interesting idea, but I don’t think it would go over all that well.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 11:47 am #
I couldn’t help but notice that the mighty mouse quake still hasn’t coughed up any details of service, like unit, area of operation or any details as to how he/she got shot. That’s a half a dozen polite requests and not a peep.
Hmmmmmmm…..
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 11:48 am #
I had to look up bozack. If those that sent you to Iraq are giving this to you, you should consider a sexual harassment
pandalawsuit.Thanks for your service. Sorry to hear about you getting shot, and I hope all is well.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:48 am #
I am having so much fun ranting with you guys.
Comment by Dan Collins on 5/30 @ 11:48 am #
He might be this serviceman:
Port Dawgs In The House!
I was stationed there in 1985 -1988. I worked in the PAX Terminal (one of the few men in there). I was called “Mouse”(and still am) and I lived in dorm 7501 with all the fellas on the first floor. I haven’t talked with anyone from that time except Cornelius Murphy (back in 1999) and Morris “Mr. Silly” Simms (back in 1999) while in Kadena… Anyone still kicking, hit me 800.444.3133 Ext 2813 or via e-mail @ MouseQuakeMuzik@aol.com or MouseQuake@hotmail.com… Those were the best times of my life…
Posted by Norman Barrett
Aug 11 2003 05:02:17:000PM
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:48 am #
- MFM – Hey, matbe no one told you about it, but lifetime deferment forms are available at all government offices just for the asking. Make one out, mail it in, and then you can stop pissing your shorts and excusing your cowardice, and best of all, you can get back to serious shit, like WarCraft in between welfare checks. Hows that sound sparky?
Comment by Rick Ballard on 5/30 @ 11:49 am #
No, MayBee. Too soon – Tic’s kid couldn’t have made the round trip yet (may he return safe, having honorably completed that portion of his duty).
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 11:49 am #
I Why in the hell would I want to publicize my unit and job capabilities to you BJTexs? Are you serious…
Comment by Dan Collins on 5/30 @ 11:50 am #
Are you the Norman Barrett with the trained budgies?
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 11:50 am #
Edu Guy
I got a nice pair of Bozak speakers, though I think I’ve blown on of the tweeters (sigh).
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:51 am #
But I’m still unclear on what bearing MFMouseQuake’s service has on whether it’s acceptable for Obama to have so many nutters, bigots, and haters in his immediate circle.
Or what anyone’s service record has to do with that.
Or how anyone’s experience in Iraq, or their old neighborhood, has any bearing on the acceptability of racism.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:54 am #
To establish your bona fides?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:54 am #
- Ok – Listen up. The “talking to the Typing Telephone Pole(tm) lamp is now out. As you were.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 11:54 am #
What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 11:56 am #
- So whats the prob. The other one got jealous?
Comment by MlR on 5/30 @ 11:57 am #
“But I’m still unclear on what bearing MFMouseQuake’s service has on whether it’s acceptable for Obama to have so many nutters, bigots, and haters in his immediate circle.
Or what anyone’s service record has to do with that.
Or how anyone’s experience in Iraq, or their old neighborhood, has any bearing on the acceptability of racism.”
Don’t step on the guy’s moral superiority card, it’s all he’s got.
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 11:58 am #
Yikes. I’ll try to keep those “on of” locutions out of the public eye hereafter.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 12:00 pm #
job capabilities? WHOOOOOOOOSH
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 12:01 pm #
I got a nice pair of Bozak speakers, though I think I’ve blown on of the tweeters (sigh).
That’s really very considerate of you. It’s so your girlfriend/wife (or whatever) can listen to music during certain intimate acts?
Unless you’re a woman of course, in which case I’m a little turned on. And confused. And maybe a little scared.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:02 pm #
- Sdferr – Its generally good policy not to blow “tweeters” and tell.
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 12:03 pm #
Wait, wait, wait. Bozak? publicizing your unit? When did this place turn into playgirl forums?
Comment by Sdferr on 5/30 @ 12:07 pm #
I don’t remember saying anything about any unit. It was, I recall, a pair, a nearly identical pair, “on” of which was blown.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:07 pm #
AGood Looking Out BJTexs
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 12:08 pm #
guys, guys, you should just accept the word of anyone that claims to have served in the military. Their word is gospel…. Like Jesse MacBeth.
HATERS!
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:09 pm #
- You blew two at once…..Damn Sdferr…..you got a single sister?
Comment by vote4thebest on 5/30 @ 12:10 pm #
Obama is only ‘deeply disappointed’ instead of rejecting this priest. This says that he condones this behavior, consistently with his belief in this type of anti-white and anti-american teaching. After all, he sits in that same church for 20 years, and even states it publicly in his books that his church, Wright and this priest play central role in the shaping of his belief and philosophy.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:11 pm #
BJTExs I am sitting in the VA Hospital right now trying to get my money right. Do you actually think I didn’t know that an internet savvy man wouldn’t look. My counselor is laughing at me right now..
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 12:12 pm #
suuuuuuure.
Comment by Education Guy on 5/30 @ 12:13 pm #
I don’t remember saying anything about any unit
That’s ok, I don’t remember much of last week. Mescaline has that effect on some.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 12:15 pm #
A quantum pershable scratches tweed butter knives across a talley sheet landscape when, on powderpuffs, strong vacuums translate polka dot canisters of pretension, MQ.
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 12:15 pm #
can we at least get an MOS?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:16 pm #
- v4b – I’m not going to reject the man based on that. As I commented earlier, at this point, for the reasons I enumerated, I don’t believe anyone has the foggiest notion of the mans ideomatic leanings, spiritual or political. But that in itself is a problem. Why vote for an unknown unless you’re one of those people that just absolutely falls apart without a messiah figure. The TOB’s >strong>~O~. I have no such dependency.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 12:17 pm #
How about something simple: Army, Navy or Marines? even the best google fu won’t invade your precious privacy.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:19 pm #
- Damn tags – ~O~ (The new and improved O! logo – now with angel wings!)
Comment by JD on 5/30 @ 12:25 pm #
Someone is putting you guys on. I know when I want to get my money right, the hospital is the first place I go.
Comment by BJTexs on 5/30 @ 12:29 pm #
{-O-}
Broken wings.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:30 pm #
2T275 – or 60570
Comment by JD on 5/30 @ 12:31 pm #
( * ) Chocolate starfish
Comment by JD on 5/30 @ 12:32 pm #
()*()
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:33 pm #
- McDinosaur responding the Pfleger rant: “…[although] Senator Clinton and myself differ greatly in our positions on many issues and our philosophies I respect her, and her long dedication and service to our country, and these types of outrageous comments were flagrantly wrong, have no place in any civil political campaign, and are simply disgraceful….”
- The Arch-Bishop of the Chicago district, after meeting this morning with Pfleger, issued a statement saying that he had met with him, and that he has been assured by priest Pfleger that he will “Not engage in any further political sermons, and will strictly observe the strict teachings of the priesthood code of behavior”.
- “Barack Obama…..Oh yeh, I remember him…..he ran for pres a bunch of years ago, but the guy just had too many “friends” helping him….
Comment by Rob Crawford on 5/30 @ 12:33 pm #
(*)(*)
Baby it’s cold outside…
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 12:42 pm #
oooooh, a bus driver. ;D
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:44 pm #
No Maggie, actually I was in Mobile Aerial Port -
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 5/30 @ 12:45 pm #
- I don’t know about “starfish”, thats Lisa’s department. But the O! campaign – definitely star crossed.
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 12:46 pm #
Chair Force? is that the better inter-service rivalry tag?
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:50 pm #
Yesh that is what they call it… I was in CMB with a gang of Army guys from Fort Benning. We went to Yemen – Mogadishu and Ethiopia. I used to hear that all the time. They never let me live that down. But they took care of me for a lot of years
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 12:57 pm #
What did you do Maggie? I got a few Army Infantry in the office with me right now…
Comment by maggie katzen on 5/30 @ 1:00 pm #
not me, my husband. Army National Guard, signal, has visited Afghanistan a couple times.
Comment by MFMouseQuake on 5/30 @ 1:02 pm #
I sOh! I see – I didn’t get a chance to visit that great spot. But its all good. Freshly retired, so I am chillin’…
Comment by mnmama on 5/30 @ 6:27 pm #
It seems that he supports what divides us. The great self proclaimed uniter is a divider. 20+ years with that sort of preaching? Birds of a feather do flock together. The man has no judgement whatsoever. and I thought and still do think that bush is bad. Obama is just another bush obly from the left.
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