From TIME’s Joe Klein to the The View, folks are starting to talk about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s claim that attacks on his hate-filled sermons are somehow attacks on “the black church” (the corollary being Barack Obama’s claim that he could no more disown Wright than he could “the black community”).
It is thus time for a reminder:
Obama knew he was joining a radical church; Rev. Wright told him so from the start. A previous informal estimate was that perhaps 25 percent of black churches used Wright’s style of preaching, though it was unclear as to whether this referred to Black Liberation Theology or the prophetic style of preaching that may be employed in non-BLT churches.  A ten-year statistical study of the black church in America showed that less than 35% of black urban clergy were influenced by BLT and that it is largely an elitist phenomenon. BLT was also more prevalent among younger members of the clergy, so the number of black urban clergy so influenced may be higher today, though not greatly so (BLT, like most forms of crypto-Marxism, is a propagated largely through academia, but preaching generally does not require seminary training). Thus, to suggest that Trinity’s Black Liberation theology is representative of “black churches†does the majority of such institutions a great disservice.
Nor is Wright’s twisted bile to be confused with the prophetic voice of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Wright’s current PR tour is going so poorly as to get a bad review from TIME’s Amy Sullivan, a prominent Religious Leftist who was shamelessly shilling on this story last month.
(h/t Memeorandum… with a shout to Allahpundit for linking pw.)
/yawn
ima go bug kos for a while.
every freaking day he puts up some snark about Lieberman.
i tole him twice it just makes him look bitter.
i totally get why the guy couldn’t disengage from Blackwater.
he’s like a freain revengebot.
no 1 stoppin u
There really is a potential for huge damage here. People from, say, rural Nebraska probably figured predominantly-black churches in major cities were similar to other churches, except maybe for more enthusiastic choirs and longer services; they’d be largely correct, too. But now, they may conclude (and Rev. Wright is encouraging this) that Obama’s church is normal, not the aberration that it is.
I Goddamn the crypto-penguins swimming in my gin! Little black bastards are farting in God’s juice!
Do you have any black friends, Karl?
I agree. The Wright story goes beyond the campaign at this point. He may be worse for race relations here than Al Sharpton (who clearly is begging for attention with his latest threats).
White and black styles of clapping represented for side-by-side comparison.
Only an idiot could fail to make the distinction between Barack Obama and Rev. Wright.
Oops, didn’t see you standing there, Karl.
Bad link, Dan.
thor,
I eschew the whole “my best friends are black” thing, in much the same way I thought your whole NBA kick bordered on the offensive.
But since you asked, yes. And I work in a highly integrated workplace. My longtime boss is black and we get along quite well. I know blacks who are into BLT (one quite convinced that who you would think of as Jews are not the real Jews; blacks are) and blacks who think Jesse Jackson should take a long walk off a short pier. In college, I had two black roommates. I really could go on and on about it. I generally don’t because I’m really more about the ideas. But you seem obsessed with it, so you have your answer.
Does Nishi think this place is Twitter?
I like black humor.
To a twit, all the world is Twitter.
Golly, what kind of god of thunder runs away like that?
no, im just bored with Wright and Karl.
and the kossacks are even stupider than you guys.
Karl, can’t u talk about anything else?
even the sharpest Yuck Factor wears off it’s outrage edges after a while.
It’s not who you truly are, but who you appear to be that counts. Think and understand when you’re being watched. And for Christ’s sake don’t let your black friends know that you’re Karl on PW. They may not understand the nuance and the it’s-only-political-analysis of your umpteen Black this, Black that and Obama sucks threads.
feets u might like that whole wisdom of repugnance thing.
thats how i feel about wright.
he’s just icky, a crazyman.
why spend all this time parsing his madness?
Yea, guys. Can’t we all just PLEASE stop talking about Obama’s former preacher.
We could parse his well-thought-out ideas for the future. Anyone have any clue what those are?
thor,
Having demostrated you know nothing about me, let alone “the black community,” you should probably stop digging. BTW, the whole “being watched” thing does add to the creepy stalker vibe that everyone else here has noticed about you.
Plus, the whole “my black friends might not understand” thing?
Kinda racist of you.
I’m guessing Karl’s friends of all colors do “nuance” better than thor.
JAA,
That’s setting the bar very low, but yeah.
You’re being “judged”. My gin is helping me choose my words. Go as hard as you want but your consistent selection of similar topic comes across in differently to different people. I see you going for cheap applause, but dare I say some might construe more devious signifiers to your intent.
Could be, especially if I said it three, four, five times a day.
C’mon thor, man-to-man, you know BO is the type to kick his legs up on the jumper. He’s everything you hate in an untested b-ball player and you’d still pick him over the Kurt Rambis lookin’ dude? Slough off your white guilt and live a little. You’re not responsible man.
There you go. Let it out.
Yeah, it’s not like lots of people are talking about it. And it’s not like almost all of my posts on Wright or Obama are similarly tied to the news of the moment. Much like the two whacks I’ve taken at John McCain in the last 24 hours. And the mockery of the Paulians. And Michael Hirsh.
Friends don’t let friends drink and comment.
here u go carin
dr. pournelle thinks our biggest problem is the 40%.
the 40% in the lefthand side of the bell curve (which captain stupid thinks is pseudoscience).
the bittergate comments at least show that Obama is an “elite” that at least unnerstands the situ.
Obama’s tax plan
MORE people eliminated from paying taxes, and the wealthier paying more. That is a very dangerous teeter-todder we’re on.
If they want to eliminate taxes they need to eliminate spending.
And, saying we’d be doing better than Europe isn’t exactly a great selling point for me.
more dr. pournelle
but carin, how do we address this stuff?
Obama at least has a clue about what is going on.
the other two candidates are “without” and you know it.
Any links to any public video of Wright’s interpretive dance?
The one illustrating the different marching band styles.
That will make for some nice edit fodder.
I thought Obama was doing the dancing during the last debate.
I have never said that I find prospects for the next few years very encouraging. All of our elites are concerned only with the right hand side of the Bell Curve, and give no thought to what can or should happen to the left; they simply don’t care, and none of the political rhetoric indicates any understanding of the major problem facing the republic: how to integrate all of our citizens into the economy so that they are, and know they are, valuable members of the community. If we can’t d
Yea … those people are really too stupid to figure things out for themselves, aren’t they? It’s much better that the concerned elite – like O – comes up with a plan to tell them how to do it. A … five year plan, perhaps?
Even the NYT gets that O cannot finance his platform, which only builds that mountain of debt, but whatever.
What is to be done with the mill hands, sewing machine operators, assemblers and fitters, those who used to be thought of as industrial workers: the 40% of Americans (of all races, but largely white) with reasonable intellectual skills and abilities; the lower middle class which supported its families, paid its taxes, voted in elections, participated in civic and church activities, and was in many ways the heart of America.
carin you are not listening…..what does the heart of America do?
HRC is promising them green jobs.
global warming caused by carbon based emmissions is junkscience–it only serves to enrich al gore.
wat do you suggest carin?
wat can they do?
What is to be done with the mill hands, sewing machine operators, assemblers and fitters, those who used to be thought of as industrial workers: the 40% of Americans (of all races, but largely white) with reasonable intellectual skills and abilities; the lower middle class which supported its families, paid
I can’t believe the condescension for the lower 40%. It is really amazing. Appalling. Do you really think that 40% of our population is really just to stupid to handle a job above that of an assembly line worker? I’m just floored.
It’s amazing they are even able to get dressed in the morning. Drooling retards they are, unable to do anything but fit slot A into slot B.
Karl, is taking on an additional 2% of debt worth it if the 40% get jobs and SES out of it?
ok carin…shall they all go to college then?
have u read the Bell Curve carin?
US of A – a little less socialist than western Europe. Great slogan, nishitiot.
have u tried to win an election runnin on the bell curve?
Which, BTW, is another patented nishi line of bullshit.
Is there some mental flaw that makes it impossible for her to represent another’s argument accurately? Or is it just her patented “genius level” IQ that’s oddly indistinguishable from the mental function of a certified moron?
No, too many people go to college already. High school should return to what he used to be. Vocational training should be incorporated for some people -not everyone needs to take AP courses, but they shouldn’t be stuck in GYM and study halls. Believe me, I’ve got plenty of thoughts as to what should be done.
But I, unlike you, have a respect for that lower 40%. I think you might be amazed at how much money or how much success some dumb schmucks had because they knew how to work hard, and didn’t depend on anyone else (the government) to make things happen.
Well, you have to understand — nishi thinks she’s in the top 10%, and she’s clearly barely capable of functioning in adult society.
I’m gobsmacked.
I am familiar with the book. No, I haven’t read it- skimmed parts, read essays … I’m just guessing I have a wider circle of humanity with which I deal than you do.
rob look at the link…it says pseudo-science redux under a pic of the book cover.
the body of captain stupids post also refers to the Bell Curve as pseudoscience.
Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests – we did. [winks at Dean Wormer] But you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
Carin – nishitiot gives voice to the words that Baracky ran from. His mask slipped for a bit. the talking genocidal skipping phonograph is not baracky’s friend.
carin i din’t say that…..dr. pournelle did.
nishidiot is an elitist idiot, however.
Now, JD, BHO has a plan that will bring that 40% right up to where they should be in life. You can count on looking up to a janitor who’s got a SEIU card ’cause he’ll be making $80K per year – not bad for a drop out. And all because BHO KNOWS what’s right for us. That, and he owes Andy Stern almost as much as he owes Tony Rezko.
BHO – Bringing the South Side to Your Living Room – and charging you for it.
well rick ballard wat is mccain’s plan?
So, tell me, was the thesis of the book that intelligence (however you measure it) is distributed on a bell curve? Or was the thesis something else? Have you read the book? I have.
The “pseudoscience” characterization is of the book’s primary thesis, that there are immutable, genetic differences in intelligence from race to race.
Oh, and BTW — “pseudoscience” appears in the body of the article in a quote from Julian Bond.
“Captain Stupid” is both more intelligent and more intellectually honest than you, though admittedly that’s faint praise. Like saying someone’s “more chaste than the staff of the Bunny Ranch”.
You can tell because Pournelle’s literate.
I’m on a “Save the Baby Pixels” crusade, dimmest one. You just got the last ones you’ll ever see from me.
Learn to spell, and maybe people would take you seriously, nishidiot.
Nah. Then it’d be easier to understand her arguments, and it’d be OBVIOUS what a moron she is.
The “pseudoscience†characterization is of the book’s primary thesis, that there are immutable, genetic differences in intelligence from race to race.
but that is not pseudoscience.
see steve sailor. see jerry pournelle. and a host of other actual scientists.
“pseudoscience†appears in the body of the article in a quote from Julian Bond.
yup, captain stupid chose that quote, to support his opinion that the Bell Curve is “pseudo-science redux”.
captain stupid was punked by steins fakeumentery.
also by the mythical smoking gun in the harmony db
also by the wmd in the bekka vally…..the list goes on.
ima go from comment 1 (4/28 @ 4:47pm) until 60 (4/28 @ 6:23pm).
So, how can we miss when you won’t go away?
It’s amazing they are even able to get dressed in the morning. Drooling retards they are, unable to do anything but fit slot A into slot B.
It’s because of the (white) christianyness.
Rick – even though nsihi claims baracky gets it, his plan, distilled down, is tax the holy hell out of those evil people that are successful. punitively tax profitable companies. increase the capital gains tax. It is the same old, same old … but his time it is packaged as hope. Pretty soon, the top third will pay 100 percent of the taxes, and then we will be well and truly fucked.
Welcome to the underground economy, pal.
And an equally large host who dispute the conclusion, and an equally large host who say there may be such differences, but they’re not enough to actually make a difference.
No. Once again, your borderline literacy betrays you. The point of the entire post was that a position that was once attacked as racist when posited by Herrnstein and Murray was met with applause when championed by Wright.
To quote Victor Davis Hanson:
Got it?
No, of course you don’t. I do have to wonder, though — is there a sign in front of you that alternates between “BREATHE” and “EXHALE”? Because the level of intelligence you’ve shown makes me wonder if you were even born with a brain stem.
JD, it’s worse than that… whatever plan Baracky gets passed is going to be chock full of loopholes so the Heinz-Kerrys and the Kennedys will escape the brunt of the effects. It’s the small businessmen, the entrepreneurs, that the increased burden will fall on.
Nishi has her blinders on, as usual. When the hatred is entrenched that deep, there’s nothing that will shock you out of it.
Honest to God, nit, you couldn’t debate your way out of a wet paper sack.
Admittedly, I’m exhausted from three days of grading bad Freshman Comp essays–each of which, coincidentally, eclipse your writing and critical thinking skills–but your posts lack even a grain of intelligence.
JD,
I wouldn’t really expect anything but redistributionist crap from a marxist. It doesn’t matter – BHO can’t get the Wright remora off his ass and it’s going to eat him alive. And if it doesn’t, then Rezko or Ayers or players to be named later will. It looks like Soros fished in the wrong cesspool – or maybe BHO really is the best the proggs can do.
Could be.
I’ve got a golden retriever. Actually, it belonged to my wife before we got married, so I choose to think of it as a step-dog.
It is dumber than a box of rocks.
Actually it chews on rocks. Ate a whole string of Christmas bulbs two years ago.
Its name is “Lance,” (dumb, soap opera name, but like I said, he’s a step-dog) but from this day forward, I’m calling him “nishi.”
That’s just cruel, man. No dog deserves that.
Civilis and Rick – I am stocking up on K-Y and Astroglide. If Baracky wins, me and Better Half know we will be taking it in the ass. Couching it in terms of windfall profits, fairness, and hopeyness seems to resonate. That tipping point where the number of actual taxpayers becomes the minority will be a sad day for the union.
Yeah, when the kids ask, I’m just going to tell them that it means “dumb-ass” in Japanese.
Hey, they gotta grow up someday.
Honest to God, nit, you couldn’t debate your way out of a wet paper sack.
I don’t know, if she cuts and pastes that stuff from Allard and Pournelle about twenty more times she might win over one of the dimmer trolls.
I seriously wish nishi would leave for a couple years, grow up a tad, and then come visit us again. she’s just currently discovered that she can piss off daddy… and well, everything that goes with that. some time actually paying taxes and away from the Profs and she’ll come around to her senses. ah, what is youth without the patented rose-colored goggles? Oh, and the emoting. You say you want a revolution and all that.
Does anyone besides me feel that nishi/matoko/turtle, had she/it lived in the 1930’s, would have been an ardent supporter of the eugenics movement?
Oh, thank God it’s not just me.
I think Reverend Wright has a lot of 14 karat nerve to blame his idiocy and hate mongering on the church. I wonder how the congregation feels about being held accountable for his incindiary remarks? To me, that is cowardice on his part. We are NOT picking on his church, we are objecting to HIM!
would have been an ardent supporter of the eugenics movement?
Would have been? That is pretty much what she is advocating now, just with direct genetic manipulation rather than the slow and messy selective breeding approach.
Oh, and she wants tax payer support.
In a way, when you think of it, all this posturing Wright is doing and the way he thinks he is being persecuted, is indicative of a weak intellect. Were he as intelligent as pretended or, given credit for, he would not be behaving in this manner. This smacks of crude “pay Back”, a spiteful childish mind running off at the mouth.
“Would have been? That is pretty much what she is advocating now, just with direct genetic manipulation rather than the slow and messy selective breeding approach.”
Oh, I agree. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t alone. The mask slips on people like her the more she talks, which in this case is all the fucking time. Thing is, she doesn’t wear the mask well to begin with.
I thought non-BLT churches were just synagogues.
“The mask slips on people like her the more she talks, which in this case is all the fucking time. Thing is, she doesn’t wear the mask well to begin with.”
A heter, that’s nishidiot.
so..let me get this straight….
for quoting dr. pournelle and chaos manor you are sayin i am a closet eugenicist?
oh….i guess jeffie was wrong.
im not welcome here after all.
PW is not for the faint of heart.
Or mind.
nope
the vamphyres have taken over this house.
so, RUN! and don’t look back!
please.
No nishi, I have been trying to ignore your spamming of those quotes, I came to that conclusion over your repeated blind worship of the future of genetics and transhumanism. The objective of eugenics was to create a more perfect human through selective breeding, you propose to do it with genetic engineering. You have repeatedly mocked any one who questions the ethics of your pet programs as xtians, two digits, left siders, etc. Now, run away and cry like a little girl and pout about how stupid we are, that always convinces me of your superior intellect.
well rick ballard wat is mccain’s plan?
Did she really just ask what McCain has planned for people not as bright as she is?
How would we recognize them and their not-so-bright needs? Would we mark them so that we could ‘service’ them correctly? Would there be an “IQ Tax” to provide for those less intellectually endowed?
Would we let them breed?–in your world?
Imbecile: Our bottom 40% is smarter and more capable than other nations’ top 40%!
Ted Turner! Right there!
You can be in the bottom of the bottom 40% of IQ and be a billionaire!
And actors! They are dopes. Under Nishi’s plan, we would just give them a ‘living wage’ and they’d never be motivated to act!
Wait! Maybe she’s onto something…..
Boy, I’m glad I was here to see Nishi’s mask slip…. AGAIN. Everyone else remember the terrorism-as-youthful-indiscretion thing? Well, I guess eugenics is the other shoe.
Nishi’s subject-changing attempts have become kind of extreme, though, haven’t they? I mean, it’s one thing to criticize the subject now and again, but simply trying to take over each and every discussion by mass posting? Not only rude, but desperate.
Oh, no. She’s been like this for at least 5 years or so, though she used to be able to form a proper sentence. Perhaps she’s regressing and in a couple of years she’ll be mainly interested in whatever the equivalent of the Backstreet Boys is at the moment. And then she’ll be Perez Hilton’s problem.
– nishi. Paris Hilton without the money?
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thor, BTW, the whole “being watched†thing does add to the creepy stalker vibe that everyone else here has noticed about you.
You’re my personal Robert Blake, Karl. That banana is not loaded and your penny loafer is not text-message enabled, put the objects down and step away from your keyboard.
Unfairly vilifying Obama will not make your star rise. Balance! If you’re capable of a balanced sort’a reality then your thoughts will not be so easily dismissed.
Hawks did a number on the Celtics last night, you catch the game? Muy interesante.
Any man who steps on the court wearing black-rimmed eyeglasses and sporting a mullet has motives beyond a floating jumper. In the days of World B. Free, Rambis was a goon! The prototype of an old school goonballer! Those were the days, my friend.
When O-man posts-up in the paint, elbows be nose high. That a baller has a shot at the Whitehouse, the times they are a changing.
What, Nishi’s “lack of concern” (to put it mildly) for the people of the third world wasn’t enough of a hint? Her whole transhumanism kick is just technophilia raised to the level of religion.
Unfairly vilifying Obama will not make your star rise. Calling something by it’s rightful name is unfair?
Nishi. Start a business. Employ people. Get back to us on that.
That a baller has a shot at the Whitehouse, the times they are a changing.
Alleged baller, my man. We need a banger. Not a Jamaal Wilkes, but an Adrian Dantley.
Images of Adrian’s bullying hips bumpering enough separation for a turnaround in the low post are not the start to the morning I was hoping for.
Obama is no Kiki Vandeweghe. I know that’s where you’re headed.
Karl:
I almost feel thor’s pain. He started this agent provacateur thing a few months ago when Obama’s set of invisible clothes still had a promise of some credibility. As we’ve started to fill in the picture, and Obama is being revealed as the milquetoast Marxist he is, thor’s posts which were once funny have become shrill and evasive.
Thor, when the running game isn’t working, don’t be afraid to fall back on some half court, kay? We won’t think less of you.
toute meme
you called a eugenicist for linking Dr. Pournelle.
you just validated my IQ-gap theory.
kthnxbye
No, nishitiot. That is not what happened. You espoused positions consistent with eugenics, and people noted that. It is just like when you advocated genocide in Africa.
you just validated my IQ-gap theory.
As have you. My theory is that there is a significant gap between the IQ you claim to have and your actual IQ. You validate this theory daily.
nishi has, brick by brick, revealed herself as a an unapologetic fascist, hasn’t she?
N.O’Brain – Don’t forget, she claims to be a Republican.
Rob, cjd – the genocidal and authoritarian nature of the nish-wit came up sometime ago and was commented on. A very scary girl, she is.
I don’t have a Paint By Numbers kit because I don’t paint. But I understand the concept. Marxism isn’t a magic waterballoon. But next I’ll be ducking those things.
you called a eugenicist for linking Dr. Pournelle.
No, I asked you to distinguish yourself from a eugenicist because of arguments you made. You refuse to. What should I assume now?
There’s that (lack of) reading comprehension again.
Well, she is backing Obama.
You’re welcome to think that. Personally, I think you’re all claims of intelligence without anything resembling demonstration, but that’s me.
Quit wasting our time. If you’re not going to demonstrate your top-10% IQ, feel free to not bother us with your incessant arguments by assertion. For fuck’s sake, I’m in the top 1% or so, and I don’t consider myself to be all that smart.
Cut out the intellectual narcissism, already.
Barack has lost – thanks Rev. Wright and Michelle!!!!
IF Obama never heard Wright’s sermons (later confessed he had) then why back in 1997 did he discuss with Wright he may have to distance
himself from him? If he doesn’t agree with his controversial statements,then why did he sit there for 20 yrs and listen to them?
Easy for Obama to say that if Wright hadn’t retired he would have to
leave the church, since it’s something that he will never have to do.
If that is true why didn’t he do it while he was still a minister there? Wright has done everyone a great favour by showing everyone
that Obama has no problem lying to get what he wants.
Well, at least the gays won’t be the wedge issue this year: it’ll be skygods, sub-deities, cherubs heaven and hell, satan and the doomed; we need to bring back witch trials, dunking and the crusades as well. What a tragic, sorry state-of-affairs that this country is based so strongly on mythology and sky-gods and which one your worship, and how, is discussed as if it is both critical, and thinking. So, so, sad.
Tucker – I guess you can think that, since it likely makes it easier for you. Judging character and competence can get so yucky.
You’ll notice that the Wright controversy has damned little to do with God.
He noticed only what fit his previous beliefs, Pablo. To do otherwise is to ask why a candidate for president would voluntarily associate with a man who held such pernicious beliefs, and that might lead to thinking, and judging.
Better just to snort ‘sky-gods’ and continue as he was.
Tuckerdog:
What’s the matter? Was the Yahoo atheists forum down for maintenance today?
So sorry that the other 85%-90% of the citizens of this country who believe in “sky-gods” and “sub-dieties” frame certain arguments within a certain construct of religious beliefs. So sorry that this makes you “so sad.” So sorry that you have no idea that the host of this site is an agnostic and several commentators here are either agnostic or atheist and all of us manage to get along in spite of the “witch trials” and “crusades.”
On second thought, the third grade whiney nature and self serving Blinders-For-Nothing attitude marks you as a bitter person, possibly clinging to your gun but at least free of the thorny arms of religion. Bravo! Your bigotry is safe in the cartoon movie playing in your head where the only “sky-gods” are your personal fantasies of a naked, flying Wonder Woman.
Baa-bye, now!
Give my regards to Semantics-clueless.
Wait — does this mean our regular Wednesday morning witch trial is canceled?
Jeez, first we had to reschedule last week’s crusade, and now this.
It rained last night, and it’s SO hard to get them to light when they’re wet.
Fear not, friar McGehee! We’ll be dunking feminists Wednesday morning instead.
If they live then they are authentic!
Yes, but WHAT will we be dunking them in?
I think his public appearance three times in a week leads me to believe that this is a planned effort by The Obama campaign to make him look like the bad guy and then do a
speech like he did in PA and calm the waters. Nice setup!
Terry:
Exactly what is he going to say that will make him look good? Wright hasn’t said anything new. To make this a “setup” so that he can then… what? Condemn him? Disown him? Why now and not two months ago? The only difference now is that he’s more visible.
I’m racking my brain but I can’t find a single way he can spin this that will alleviate the damage. I’m open to suggestions.
Rob:
Jamba juice.
I just don’t understand all of this talk about hate filled sermons. I’m not a religious person so I don’t understand all of the biblical references Wright uses, but even to someone like me what he’s saying (if you listen to the whole thing) isn’t hateful or even black liberation theology (which is every newscasters favorite new term). In his sermons he talks about native Americans, women, the poor, I mean has anybody listen to the whole thing. This whole thing just shows how screwed up this country is.
We really love the idea of change where a closet radical, married to a black separatist, associated with a domestic terrorist, inspires love from Islamic terrorists, despises Middle America, and of course, attends an anti-American “church†led by a hate-filled, radical bigot. No thanks, you can keep that change.
I just don’t understand all of this talk about hate filled sermons.
Not everyone can be in the upper 50% when it comes to basic comprehension. Go back and listen to them again.
I wonder who started this talking point?
I have to agree, though probably not in the way “ramon” meant it. It’s screwed up that people so filled with anger over being “oppressed” — while they live lives of privilege — can get so far in our politics. You’d think the party would have worked harder to find mentally stable people.
Maybe. Then again, maybe not.
Well gird my loins! I really stepped into it in here. Gonna have to toss out my perfectly good shoes due to all the bile coating them spewed out by so many of the un-laid sophomores parading as intellectual heavies around here (pseudo-intellectuals really). ¡Get a life! Fake idealism. Do you not see that we are just finishing an eight year unrequited screwing by Childe Retardo and Co. and you can’t believe that much of what Wright said about America is true. You want to quibble over nuances of policy that haven’t seen the light of day yet. McCain is for all the masochists who want some more of what you just had (ouch!). Hillary is for all you who just love political dynasties. Obama is the only choice there is here in these sad Untied States.
Learn something: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html
You can keep your loins ungirded, Rex. we got professionals here to take care of that. But In Re: Moyers? That was already covered here on the 26th. But thanks for stopping by.
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We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here. Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence(over 350,000) and I don’t know the last count of the dead. Obama under “friends of Obama†gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in east germany. He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country! December 27th elections brought cries from ODM (Odinga Camp) of rigged election. Obama and Raila speak daily. As we watch Obama rise in the US we are sure that whatever happens, he will use the same tactic, crying rigged election if he doesn’t win and possibly cause a race war in America.
What we would like you to know is what the american press has been keeping a dirty little secret. Obama IS a muslim and he IS a racist and this is a fulfillment of the 911 threat that was just the beginning. Jihad is the only true muslim way. We have been working with them for 20 years this july! He is not an american as we know it. Please encourage your friends and associates not to be taken in by those that are promoting him. It is world wide jihad. All our friends in Europe are very disturbed by the Muslim infiltration into their countries. By the way. His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama. Won’t that sound sweet to our enemies as they swear him in on the Koran!
God Bless you.
Pray for us here in Kenya. We are still fighting for our nation to withstand the same kind of assault that every nation, including America, is fighting. Takeover from the outside to fit the new world order. As believers, this means we will be the first targets. Here in Kenya, not one mosque was burned down, but hundreds of churches were burned down, some with people in them, burned alive.
Jesus Christ is our peace but the new world order of Globalism has infiltrated the church and confused believers into thinking that they can compromise and survive. It won’t be so. I will send you a newsletter we sent out in February documenting in a more cohesive manner what I’ve tried to say in a few paragraphs.
Love, Celeste
Celeste and Loren Davis
About our Father’s business!
Luke 2:49b
Irony, thy name is Rex.
131 or 133? which is wackier?
133 wins for length, but 131 has that aw shucks, you dumb neocons vibe going. Plus, that “Untied States”. PRICELESS.
Hey, I almost missed this (my eyes glazed over a bit):
I will send you a newsletter we sent out in February documenting in a more cohesive manner what I’ve tried to say in a few paragraphs.
A newsletter! How do we subscribe?
I really like the Rev. I think he is a bright man. I don’t think he full of hate at all. He is just challenging what people have come to believe as truth. This is a free country and he can say and feel what he wants to. Why are whites so outraged? It’s not like they don’t see a clear distinction between themselves and blacks. The Rev. is now putting out the clear distinction he has felt living in America amongst his white counterparts. Instead of blasting the man on his views, we as Americans should asking why this man has come to feel the way he does about our country.
Thor, truth is a defense: Obama does suck.
I’m only a pseudo, but I’ve got a question for Rex, who says:
And yet his candidate has said in the history changing awesome speech on race:
Rex, oh Full intellectual: Why are you at odds with your own candidate? you are making him out to be either dishonest or a panderer and that’s just not very yoo – nie – tee of you.
CeCe: Fel free to answer Rex’s question and save me some time.
Obama: Dishonest or pandering? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!
I don’t think he full of hate at all. He is just challenging what people have come to believe as truth.
Like that AIDS thing? You know, truth is an actual thing. It’s not a belief system. You either KNOW the truth, or you believe a falsehood.
This is a free country and he can say and feel what he wants to.
And, I hope he keeps on talking, becaue I’m having loads of fun.
Why are whites so outraged?
This isn’t outrage. It’s amusement.
It’s not like they don’t see a clear distinction between themselves and blacks.
And, if you don’t mind, what is that distinction “I” feel?
The Rev. is now putting out the clear distinction he has felt living in America amongst his white counterparts.
Yet, that distinction is so pronounced, and so distressing to him that he’s decided to live in an almost completely WHITE community.
CeCe –
I’m sorry, but I’m going to go ahead and blast the man on his views. The CIA deliberately gave AIDS to black people? Seriously? I have no desire to know why he said it, why he thinks it, or even if he really believes it. I don’t care. If he’s not full of hate, then he has mad cow disease.
He is more than entitled to say whatever he wants, and honestly, I’m glad it’s out there. However, I’m also entitled to not vote for the mute eunuch who’s been parking his ass in that church for 20 years.
Well, according to Barack Obama, he’s a whackjob. Divisive, kinda hatey, etc…
Perhaps you should share your concerns with the junior Senator from Illinois, who just denounced the shit out of him.
Obama’s “outrage” over Wright’s latest comments re the “black church” seems totally orchestrated to me. “Two peas in a pod” if you ask me.
Hey, Zelda! Where ya been and how’s Jethro?
To follow up on Carin truth meme: Wright’s stated justification for saying what he said about AIDS was the horrific Tuskeegee experiments and the book “Medical Apartheid.” Neither of those two references prove anything with regards to the US government deliberately concocting the HIV virus for the specific purpose of killing off black people. In fact, you are going to piss off some gays (including my sister-in-law) who think that it was brewed to kill off their people.
In either scenario there is no truth here. It is a shell game whereby he states what the US Government has done in the past then makes a purely personal conclusion that it’s morally capable of doing the dirty deed.
There is a huge difference between the conjecture of “I think they are capable of” and the truth of “They did it!”
Go back to the dictionary, CeCe, and learn the meaning of words like “truth” and “proof.” Once you do, re-examine your uncritical Wright adoration and, maybe, see some part of what many of us see.
A race baiting, ego-maniacal bigot. Entertaining, though.
I agree with most of Rev. Wrights comments, and its nothing new to the black community. Granted its a bad time to make these comments but they are true. People are not only not ready to hear the truth, they’re scared.For example, his comments on 9/11. Its like when kids are bullied in school, they can only take so much. America is involved in everyone else’s problems but there own. Whether we want to admit it or not black and white people and the ways in which we function are different. I realized that a long time ago attending all white schools growing up as a black man. And the aids comment, that has been a LARGE suspicion amongst blacks for a long time and i cant say if its true or no, but if its not someone needs to explain to me exactly where aids just sprouted up from. This man is a Pastor, speaking to black churches so America making a big deal of this is kind of funny because its nothing new. I been hearing this for a while now growing up, now because Obama is involved its suddenly a big deal. Who Cares. Black and white is different neither is necessarily wrong, i love that comment.
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,’ gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.
In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, in the news for comments he made over the last three decades. We have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.
We’ve seen on , in a seemingly endless loop on television, sound bites of a select few of many sermons. Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable–unpatriotic?
How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service? Not many.
Now this is some funny reality T.V.
“Can’t fool everybody, all the time.”
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,’ gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.
In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, in the news for comments he made over the last three decades. We have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.
We’ve seen on , in a seemingly endless loop on television, sound bites of a select few of many sermons. Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable–unpatriotic?
How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service? Not many.
How many of you are actually posting from Iraq? How they could try to divide this nation even more than it already is? God help us all. And I mean that.
Why don’t you try defending the actual statements, candace? And what the hell does Dick Cheney have to do with any of this?
And the aids comment, that has been a LARGE suspicion amongst blacks for a long time and i cant say if its true or no, but if its not someone needs to explain to me exactly where aids just sprouted up from.
Well, let put your heart to rest. It’s a load of bullshit. Feel better?
How many of you are actually posting from Iraq?
The chickenhawk meme is tired, Candy.
But, my husband put in over 20 years (retired), and my bil is gearing up for his second tour. Major John actually IS posting from Iraq. A few others here have done time, RTO (and cowboy, right?)
baby,
His comments don’t need defending.
When we get an apology for slavery
When we get credit for building the wealth of every European country and the Americas and the Caribbean with our ancestors’ free labor of 400+ years
When we get equal airtime in the media
When they show SANKOFA like they showed Roots back in ’77
When they bring Dr. King back(by the way, King would love Jeremiah Wright!)
When white-owned record labels and black pimps like Bob Johnson, P Diddy, Russell Simmons, Fifty Cent, et al stop making bullshit music and marketing it to my babies
When prisons no longer contain 1 million Black men
When prisons rehabilitate and educate prisoners for the $40,000/prisoner they spend, and when prisons are not privatized and traded on the stock market
When wait, I’ll come back, gotta finish dinner and get the kids
that’s when I’ll feel the need to defend anything the BELOVED Jeremiah Wright has said…
Oh. Sorry bout your slaveries. You go have a good day now.
hello to you too carin!
You go girl!
no, you are not sorry. but God bless you anyway.
Oh. You too.
Nothing to see here. I have the telephone number for Vermont Teddy Bears. Move along.
Oh no, thor, just one more thing:
Oh, candace? How does this fit into your all victimization all the time?
Bailey –
Why would the CIA waste the money creating the AIDS virus? They were doing pretty well with malaria. If America wanted blacks to die of disease, all we had to do was not send them vaccines. AIDS is an epidemic, but it doesn’t kill quickly or efficiently.
Seriously though, you saying Wright’s comments are true does not make them true. Wright saying they are true does not make them true. They are not true. The CIA did not give AIDS to black people. No one knows where most diseases originate exactly. And this is true of diseases from smallpox to the plague.
But instead of researching the scientific data that is currently available, you’re teetering on the edge of the cliffs of insanity – as are (according to you) many black churches. For years, no less.
Aren’t you ashamed? It does not speak well of the black community – whether they are different from whites or not – to spit on logic and science and head straight for the conspiracy theory.
Also, it gives the impression that when black people can’t explain something they turn to whitey for the answers.
I’m embarrassed for you. And I’m embarrassed for blacks who are not retarded yet who will suffer because Wright wants to shield himself behind the entire community and insist that they all agree with him.
when you can bring back Amadou Diallo, Patrick Dorismond and Sean Bell
when you can tell me my great grandparents’ names
when you can stop Troy L. Pendleton from singing “A nigger and a white man playin’ seven up-nigger won the game, but was afraid to pick them up!” to my father (as he served in the U.S. Navy) while they were on guard duty together (but Daddy stopped him, so it’s okay I guess…)
Rumplestiltskin, Rumplestiltskin, Rumplestiltskin!
BJTexas,
What, are Barack and I joined at the hip or something?
my peeps and I can support Wright if we want to! Barack, too!
The same media who won’t air the Clinton’s fraud trial, will demonize Rev. Wright (see: Willie Horton, et al.)
Barack’s gotta do what Barack’s gotta do, and I don’t think Barack speaks for me, or several white folks anymore than Bush speaks for you (if you are, in fact, a white folk…)
I just wish I could get you to quit feeling sorry for yourself over shit that happened to other people, candace.
So candace: When will you be condemning Obama as a race traitor for throwing “all truth all of the time” Rev. Wright under the bus?
Will Wright meet Obama’s grandmother under that bus?
I’m sad for you too, candace, in that you see the entire world through the bitter, angry lens of racial victimization. No one should chose to go through life that way.
I am candace’s 16 year old daughter. I am a straight A student with several AP courses under my belt. The ignorance here is amazing to me. I hope that we young folks will do a better job of honest and open dialogue on race.
Hi candace’s daughter! I am a lot the most amazingest one.
BJTexas
I am one of the happiest people on earth! Truth sets you free! Lies make you bitter! I love all God’s people, baby, but the truth is the truth. And sometimes the truth hurts! I am in no way bitter; I have loads to be thankful for! Beautiful family, great job that I love (except for standarized tests!) wise parents who are still with me…I could go on.
You just don’t get it. Become a student of history and then dialogue with me!
we are not all angry all the time LOL
candace: I’m Portuguese so feel free to burnish your victimization bona fides by denouncing me for my cultural, colonial, imperial history.
Does this mean I still owe you an apology for slavery as my grandparents emmigrated over 50 years after it was abolished? I just need you to establish my personal stains, those things which I am required to atone for. Your victimization metric is so complex that I’m having trouble keeping up with my own perfidy.
So lay it on me, candace. Show me my guilt and sin and I’ll throw myself under the bus and join Wright and Obama’s grandmother.
Hey BJ – I’m fine and Jethro is well. I read PW every chance I get, but by the time I get a comment formulated in my head, someone here has said it better and with bigger words.
And as for candace, I’m not apologizing for the slavery of blacks until someone apologizes to me for the slavery of Jews.
And I’m going to be bitter and cling to my guns until I get it.
And some money.
Post you digits and we can yell filthy nothings in each other’s ear.
With respect: no, no one needs to explain any such thing to you. At least, not until someone explains to me just exactly where Ebola sprouted up from.
And the common cold, too. Whose idea was that, anyway?
candace: Your interpretation of history doesn’t make it truth, it just makes it interpretive historical outrage. TRepeating over and over that we need to “study history” doen’t make your personal interpretations equal to truth. that is an amazingly arrogant statement to make, babydoll.
The existance of slavery, as odious as that was, doesn’t make me personally responsible for an apology to you or anybody else. Your interpretation doesn’t bestow upon you or the good Reverend Wright plenipotentiary powers to find me guilty and sentence me to your inspired atonement.
I am a man, a person, one of God’s children and, whatever my race or cultural heritage, I reject anyone pigeonholing me into any category, political, societal or victim class. Only god knows what i am guilty of and he chose to pardon me.
As one of God’s children I love you, candace, and your brilliant 16 year old daughter. The only unobjectionable truth I know is Jesus and what he did for me. Everything else is open to discussion.
but if you are going to come around here wielding “truth” as a club and denigrate the “learnin'” of people you know nothing about, then pride has manifested itself in you … and not in a good way.
Sorry to get all religiousy and stuff but people condemning me who don’t even know me and only upon the basis of interpretive “truths” tend to annoy me.
Also He and God should have capitals. Lastly, Zelda, I swear that I have never enslaved a Jew in my life. Am I OK or will I have to eat dry matzo as atonement? :-)
Oh, and cancer. WTF? Whoever had that idea, must have really had it in for us.
Have any of you listened to Rev. Wright’s entire sermons? Just wondering?
They treated Dr. King the same way. Truth is truth, and Rev. Wright hasn’t asked anyone for anything.
And I don’t want you to throw yourself under any bus.
All I want is GOD knows, and that is why for my son’s 9th birthday party I threw him a Barack Obama for President party…not Scooby Do or Ninja Turtles
I bought my first American flag that day, a great big one, because for the first time in my ADULT life, I was really proud of my country…choked up while buying it and everything…
And it was made in the U.S.A.
That could be like a movie on the Hallmark Channel I think.
…for my son’s 9th birthday party I threw him a Barack Obama for President party…not Scooby Do or Ninja Turtles
I’ll bet he was just thrilled.
If Obama can change the tenor of a nine-year-old’s birthday party, just think what he can do for America.
Lordy, Candy’s got a long list of grievances. You can go pimp that shit some where else, ’cause I ain’t buying.
actually he was thrilled, and so were all the other little black boys at his party, and their parents, and my parents. it’s a black thing you wouldn’t understand…and I am not asking any of you for anything, I just don’t know what you are so mad at…
“Of all the disciplines, history is best qualified to reward our research.”
-Malcolm X
and I don’t understand why historical perspective is something to be afraid of.
and just why are you all so ignorant of black history?
is it that history doesn’t matter?
and since when has Jeremiah preached “hate sermons” you all are hilarious, but i love you anyway as children of the Creator, whoever she may be…
peace
I’m an O! man, Candace. Please hate everyone but me.
candace’s “daughter”:
Yeah, your mom sure is mucking things up.
it’s a black thing you wouldn’t understand…
Oh I understood little black boys were different than me when I was nine, my racist Uncles told me so all the time.
Last I heard, the best guess was it was a species-jumper from Africa. Something about a simian AIDS and maybe the bushmeat trade?
Hmmm… the wikipedia article seems to be free of outright lunacy.
It’s rather sad that people’d rather indulge in conspiracy theories than get educated.
…for my son’s 9th birthday party I threw him a Barack Obama for President party…not Scooby Do or Ninja Turtles
Ooh, did they play “Pin the Blame on the Honky”? Fun game.
I prefer my history straight, without all the grievance.
I can read about what happened to ancestors of mine without demanding apologies from the various groups that did them wrong, because it didn’t happen to me. I can read about the wrongs my ancestors did without feeling guilty, because I didn’t do it.
Most importantly, the folks that mistreated my ancestors are gone, and holding their descendants guilty is evil. There’s a reason the Constitution bars Bills of Attainder.
From whom do you expect to extract these confessions, apologies, and reforms? None of it, right wrong or indifferent, has anything to do with me.
Incidenally the “chickenhawk” thing, is intellectually indefensible, and not just because you don’t know who you are adressing with it.
The defense of Rev Wright is obvious, and if it can be done, I’d like to see it. Where are the You Tube videos that depict the patriotic, tollerant and diversity loving Rev. Wright? Heck, I’d like to see some statments that are overtly Gospel oriented.
I do love her demands for resurrecting the dead.
As much as I admire King, let’s just say we’ll bring King back right after we bring back the 360,000+ who died fighting for the Union in the US Civil War.
You know, candace, there is a difference between Dr. King and Rev Wright. The History (which you insist you know so much about) will tell you so.
Dr. King appealed to reason and logic and the notion of the equality of all people.
Rev. Wright appeals to ignorance.
And you similarly appeal to ignorance when you:
1.) Try to equate Dr. King and Jeremiah Wright just because they are both black
2.) Insist that people who never wronged you apologize for something that never happened to you
3.) List your credentials and have your daughter do the same as if they can make your argument for you.
Nor do I understand how ahistorical perspective is anything to be embraced. Puzzlement all around, I guess.
I can read about what happened to ancestors of mine without demanding apologies from the various groups that did them wrong, because it didn’t happen to me.
And as bad as it might have sucked to be them, I am glad my ancestors got kicked out of Europe and elsewhere. If candace were honest, she would admit the same.
I am Pablo’s 98 year old grandfather. Get off my lawn you little bitches! And take that filthy half breed mutt with you, before I break out the rock salt loads.
know who else volunteered for service? Timothy McVeigh. so when will you be out blowing up building candace?
I want to thank all you wonderful Negroes for showing up here to show your support for the man who will continue my legacy. Oh. And tell little Richie Daley we’re counting on him.
Hitler served. Do I have to have served, to be critical of Hitler?
Another thread, all Godwinned to hell.
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