Baldilocks notes that Mickey Kaus and many others are having difficulty figuring out why Barack Obama’s controversial comments about “small town” people lumped together things Obama wants us to think he thinks are good (religion) with things he undoubtedly thinks are bad (racism, anti-immigrant sentiment).
She then observes:
If you think about it, the fact that Obama lumped the perceived religion of the white, rural Pennsylvanian with “antipathy toward those not like them‖that is, racism, bigotry and anti-immigration (sic)–makes perfect sense.* The latter is bad and so is the formerâ€â€if one is observing from the perspective of Black Liberation Theology.
Indeed, in Black Liberation Theology, white Christianity is a tool for the perpetuation of white supremacy.
It also explains why Excitable Andy and Bill Kristol are talking past each other. Kristol sees the Marxism; Sullivan sees the religion. But without an understanding of the Black Liberation Theology foundation of Obama’s church — which imposes a crypto-Marxist hermeneutics on Scripture – these pundits are like the blind men describing the elephant.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/14 @ 12:31 pm #
Please, Karl, add “anti-trade” to the list of things Obama says are bad. I really, really want to drive home the point that what he said to his big money donors is diametrically opposed to the platform he’s been campaigning on.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/14 @ 12:33 pm #
Heh, that’s not an elephant’s trunk, that’s my . . .
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Comment by Karl on 4/14 @ 12:35 pm #
Rob,
Agree on anti-trade; I’m just “near-quoting” Kaus there.
Comment by baldilocks on 4/14 @ 12:39 pm #
Ding! Thanks.
Comment by Karl on 4/14 @ 12:43 pm #
Baldilocks is welcome, natch; I just wish I had thought of it first.
Comment by MC on 4/14 @ 1:05 pm #
Kind of hard to shake off that twenty years of in-the-pew time with Wright isn’t it O?
Comment by Sue on 4/14 @ 1:19 pm #
Absolutely correctamundo!!! Someone got it and cast it out on the waters. This is the most bigoted, racist politician to come down the pike. Leave it to people like Obama and Wright to hate with so much passion that they believe their own lies. And, their congregations and supporters cheer!! Reminds me of the Palestines dancing in the streets after 9/11!!!!
Comment by bigbooner on 4/14 @ 1:23 pm #
Since when is it news that many on the left hate this country? Isn’t it just part of the “two Americas” bullshit?
Comment by Rick Ballard on 4/14 @ 1:39 pm #
“This is the most bigoted, racist politician to come down the pike.”
Heavens, no. Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond conducted the last major race filibuster in the Senate. William J. Fulbright was no slouch as a racist, either. It would take more of a review of Democrat Party history than I care to attemp to suggest who might be considered “the most bigoted, racist politician” but Obama just isn’t in the running.
Comment by JD on 4/14 @ 1:44 pm #
William J. Fulbright was Clinton’s idol and mentor, but that is okay if you are a Dem.
Comment by cranky-d on 4/14 @ 1:47 pm #
What’s really okay if you’re a Dem is to acknowledge the good points in a person, even if they have huge negatives in some areas. If you have an R associated with your name, the slightest taint in someone you associate with is enough to condemn you.
Comment by BJTexs TW/BP on 4/14 @ 1:49 pm #
cranky-d: that’s because of the … um … you know … the “H” word.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 1:52 pm #
…horticulture?
Comment by Salt Lick on 4/14 @ 1:55 pm #
So we can blame BLT for the majority of blacks supporting the OJ verdict? Sorry, but this is a cesspool, not an elephant turd.
If it don’t fit, you must acquit.
Comment by BJTexs TW/BP on 4/14 @ 2:47 pm #
MeGehee:
Um … Haberdashery
I’ve said too much…
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 2:52 pm #
Crypto-Marxist? Bush and the Republicans use Lenin’s techniques (i.e. revolutionary Marxism), in the way of spreading so-called Democracy, i.e., neoliberalism.
The goal of Republicans, using some of Lenin’s methods, is to seize power in building a new neoliberal state based on Milton Friedman’s theories (i.e., neoliberalism) in which corporations own the state.
Deploying Lenin’s idea of “democratic centralism” Republicans agree first then debate. In other words, everyone walks in lock step–those who disobey and booted out of the party.
Incidentally, the ideological core of the neocons (those who really run the Republican Party) is grounded in the thought of Trotsky who advocated the theory of worldwide liberation. It has been subsequently handed down to neocons by Kristol’s father’s who is a Trotskyite having never clearly renounced it. In fact Irving Kristol said: “I regard myself as lucky to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.â€Â
Comment by Karl on 4/14 @ 3:00 pm #
I certainly hope Obama will run a the campaign theme that the GOP is Marxist and that McCain is the Manchurian Candidate.
Comment by Pablo on 4/14 @ 3:00 pm #
So, you’ll be quoting some Republicans espousing that theory then, Ardie? Or will you be content with yanking things out of your ass to put on display?
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 3:06 pm #
Pablo, I’m guessing he has a very large ass. and it’s demanding.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 3:09 pm #
Pablo: Maybe you should get up off your knees once in a while and look at the man you idolize. He is not your friend or a friend of the Amerian worker.
If you want to see more of America shipped off to foreign countries, by all means, vote for McCain who will give this country the coup de grace.
But I don’t want my America to die. I want to establish neo-mercantilism, getting rid of the neocons and Friedman’s fascist neolib capitalism.
Comment by Rusty on 4/14 @ 3:09 pm #
#17
Ardie. You not only have no idea what what the Chicago school of economics is about,and you’re sorely lacking in even the basic understanding of marxist philosophy. In other words, don’t piss on my leg and then tell me it’s raining. Now go jerk off to your poster of Bill Clinton.
Comment by JD on 4/14 @ 3:14 pm #
Ardie is proving to be fluent in idiocy in re. multiple issues.
Comment by B Moe on 4/14 @ 3:14 pm #
In other words, everyone walks in lock step–those who disobey and booted out of the party.
Like Joe Lieberman. Oh.. wait….
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 3:17 pm #
LOL, B Moe. I woke the kitties up.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 3:25 pm #
Rusty, oh come on son, you would have to be a brainwashed stooge to fall for Friedman’s neolib nonsense who tried to resurrect the daft Adam Smith’s economic theory which was refuted by John Rae in 1834. By the way, how is the “invisible hand” working? All I have seen of that hand is the Fed. Hahahaha!
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 3:37 pm #
Who’s the bright boy who gave Ardie the Poli-Sci-Jargon-of-the-Day calendar for his birthday?
Comment by tao9 on 4/14 @ 3:40 pm #
No Ardie, Adam Smith was def.
Comment by MC on 4/14 @ 3:40 pm #
Dang, there’s getting to be Ardie santorum all over the place…
Comment by cranky-d on 4/14 @ 3:40 pm #
I’m willing to bet he has a PhD in idiocy.
Pile it higher and deeper, oh wise and knowledgeable Ardie. Tell us all what we think some more.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 3:44 pm #
Rev. John Hagee, who has McCain’s ear and support, standing in front of some U.S. Senators and an Israeli ambassador; with all the passion of Adolph Hitler in front of his Sturmabteilung (Stromtroopers), said the following:
“The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West…a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ.”
Clearly now, Rev. Hagee is a madman who directs his hatred against Muslims much like the Christian crazies of antiquity who attacked and murdered innocent pagans.
So why hasn’t McCain cut his ties with this porcine fruitcake? Chances are he won’t. It is better to attack Obama–a kind of smokescreen. At any rate, the whitist MSM might go along with McCain until the swift-boaters begin to tear McCain apart.
Comment by Jim in KC on 4/14 @ 3:47 pm #
No ties to cut, maybe? Or was that a rhetorical question?
Comment by JD on 4/14 @ 3:51 pm #
I love how people like Ardie so effortlessly abuse the English language.
Comment by A fine scotch on 4/14 @ 3:55 pm #
Ardie,
Is battling ALL of those strawmen a good cross-training workout? I’ve been looking to shed a few extra pounds (in addition to the running) before the Bolder Boulder, and it seems like the furiousness of your battles against the strawmen might be a great way to burn some extra calories.
Comment by A fine scotch on 4/14 @ 3:57 pm #
Do you use actual weapons in your straw battles, like the fat kid from the Star Wars viral video or Afro ninja?
Or, do you just do imagine the weapons?
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 3:58 pm #
Effortlessly? He’s gone to the trouble of dressing it up as an altar boy first, I don’t call that effortless.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 4/14 @ 4:01 pm #
Comment by cranky-d on 4/14 @ 4:04 pm #
Ardie knows just oodles of things that aren’t true. Just ask him, he’ll tell you all about them. Actually, he’ll tell you all about them whether you ask him or not.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 4:06 pm #
So tell us McCain supporters, how much does McCain agree with this fruitcake fundamentalist? 50%, 60%? Well, maybe McCain is just using Hagee. Yeah, that’s it. McCain is using Hagee to get the votes of the bitter whites who cling to their guns and the Holy Babble!
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 4/14 @ 4:10 pm #
Yeah, but if he made it to be president, he’d easily be the most racist since Woodrow Wilson.
Comment by cranky-d on 4/14 @ 4:10 pm #
See, I told you so!
Yoohoo, McCain supporters! Where are yoooooo?
Good luck finding real McCain supporters around here.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 4:13 pm #
How many times do we need to complain about the level of troll around here? Weak, ARdie, Weak. You’re gonna have to take your game up a notch or two if you desire to be interesting.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 4:13 pm #
Jeffersonian: Well, I thought John had to get on all fours in order to get Rev. Hagee’s support. Isn’t that the way politics works?
Comment by Belvedere jones on 4/14 @ 4:15 pm #
“So tell us McCain supporters…”
I just spit D Coke all over myself. Thanks a lot.
I like the “you don’t like Dems so you must be in the tank for Repubs” assumption.
5…4…3…2…1…
Comment by Belvedere jones on 4/14 @ 4:16 pm #
#41 “Good luck finding real McCain supporters around here.”
Whoops. Too late.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 4:18 pm #
I dunno. The bar has been lowered so much by the other trolls we’ve had around lately, that Ardie is downright fun.
You know, kind of like watching a three-legged frog jumping in circles.
Comment by cranky-d on 4/14 @ 4:25 pm #
Ardie is fun. I’m enjoying the heck out of this. Soon, however, he’ll find the link to the instant leftist boilerplate and the fun will be over.
Comment by SGT Ted on 4/14 @ 4:42 pm #
Ardie sounds more like a Buchananite mutant Paulinista, not your garden variety DKer or DUer.
Comment by SGT Ted on 4/14 @ 4:44 pm #
Sorry, that should be Paulistinian. My apologies.
Comment by cjd on 4/14 @ 4:45 pm #
Dan or Karl,
Are either of you guys in regular contact with Jeff? Someone needs to tell him that the random troll generator has gone tango uniform again. Lately it keeps spitting out crazy/stupid dipshits like Ardie and dd. I miss the alphtard.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 4:45 pm #
I’m not going to defend Obama. He stands by his words and I respect him for that. I don’t think he was being disdainful of “white christians” (a distinction he never made) by suggesting that struggling, disillusioned people fall back on the notions and values that they know won’t betray them.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 4:47 pm #
Oops, I just defended him, didn’t I?
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 4:48 pm #
cause lord knows that wouldn’t believe that crap otherwise.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 4:50 pm #
It’s just when he brought up Hagee … well, I was expecting just a bit more. He’d brought newness with his previous
craparguments. I’ll admit it. It was a bit of a let-down.Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 4:50 pm #
When I championed Ron Paul on The Politico I was accused of being left. When I cited President Teddy Roosevelt, I was accused of being left. It was even so with Barry Goldwater (I mean he didn’t mind gays in the military)!
This makes me curious as to what the right is really about. Is it just about guns and the Holy Babble–oh–and maybe kicking Muslim butt?
Does this mean that in order to find out I will have to buy a pickup truck, stay drunk almost everyday, eat meat loaf sandwiches, and listen to Rush Limpballs, the radio Nazi? God I hope not!
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 4:53 pm #
This makes me curious as to what the right is really about. Is it just about guns and the Holy Babble–oh–and maybe kicking Muslim butt?
You forgot that we’re also against a woman’s right to control her own body! duh.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 4:53 pm #
but, Ardie, that would be such an improvement over your current state. just goes to show, people don’t vote their interests.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 4:54 pm #
Carin: I appreciate your responses, but have you ever considered taking up bingo at your church?
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 4:55 pm #
She doesn’t have time, Ardie. what with homeschooling five kids.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 4:59 pm #
Now, ARdie, you know gambling is the work of the devil, right?
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 5:00 pm #
Maggie, of course they would! Quite frankly, I think it’s the right that’s taking those Obama was referring to and making them into empty little mascots that you can trot out as the victims.
Like mom always said, stop using people.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 5:01 pm #
maggie katzen : Yes, generally rustic America has, traditionally, voted against their economic best interests. It is difficult for them to see a cause and effect relationship between job losses and American factories being shipped off to other countries, in the name of NAFTA, where labor is cheap and a home usually has a dirt floor.
Comment by psycho... on 4/14 @ 5:02 pm #
One thing I’ve always liked about baldilocks is that she’s fundamentally a nice person. There’s a layer of Obama’s bullshit that she takes as non-bullshit, I think because it’s just really, personally mean to him to call it bullshit. If he was some guy I knew, I’d do the same. But he’s a politician, so fuck that. If you believe that he’s really that guy he writes about in Dreams of my Father, she’s right (but still maybe too nice). I don’t.
Last seen making the Hot Air comment threads even more lame (which I’d thought impossible), and testing the waters at Classical Values (which is a truly shitty thing for him to do, because that’s a great site).
And Ardie –
It’s harder to be that guy here than it is anywhere else. Woodshed, son.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 5:04 pm #
Carin : Well it depends. As far as gambling goes, let’s say between a Methodist and Baptist, a Baptist won’t gamble in front of another.
Comment by royf on 4/14 @ 5:06 pm #
55
It was even so with Barry Goldwater (I mean he didn’t mind gays in the military)!
I that it Ardie is that the reason your so bitter?
Comment by B Moe on 4/14 @ 5:06 pm #
…where labor is cheap and a home usually has a dirt floor.
Maybe if those people had jobs they could afford a better floor. It would be awfully unUnited Nationsy of you to oppose that.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 5:08 pm #
cause really, who wouldn’t mind being called racist bible thumper?
Comment by Jim in KC on 4/14 @ 5:09 pm #
I highly recommend pickups, especially lifted diesels. They make great city cars; the pedestrians can hear you coming AND they get the fuck out of the way. Guns are also highly recommended, the more the better. They’re just purty, is why.
Babble, Holy or otherwise, I’ll leave to you. You seem good at it.
Comment by royf on 4/14 @ 5:10 pm #
Opps
I that it Ardie = Is that it Ardie
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 5:12 pm #
psycho: If you voted for Bush, whose handlers used every stage prop in the store to get rustics to vote for him, including having him wear a barn jacket fresh out of the box, you’re neither a good judge of horse flesh nor of a man’s character.
Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 5:15 pm #
B Moe : Republican have informed me that the reason people are so poor in third world countries is that they are lazy since there are so many jobs–plus they can sell their children or their kidneys.
Comment by Nan on 4/14 @ 5:15 pm #
Oh dear, oh dear, what can it mean??? Somebody help me here: what does it mean when a new troll shows up, and my sole response is to laugh at it? Not grow impatient, not wish I had the verbal chops to debate its lame position, but just… well… point and laugh?
This can’t be good. This can’t be good at all. I’m a bad bad person. Either that or Ardie is the biggest tool to come down the PW road in all the years I’ve been reading this blog. (Should I add “so far” to that last sentence?)
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 5:16 pm #
fixed that for ya.
Comment by Jim in KC on 4/14 @ 5:19 pm #
So all the “Republicans” you know are characters from Monty Python movies, Ardie?
Comment by MC on 4/14 @ 5:19 pm #
@ 68 Jim – Ha! I recommend the big truck too – used to be there were lots of SUVs up here in the Pac NW – now I get lots of Prius’s stuck in my treads…
Comment by Jim in KC on 4/14 @ 5:25 pm #
MC–I have nothing against Prius’s really, except they kinda look like turtles. And I can’t imagine that I could tow a 12,000 lb trailer through a foot of mud at the dump with one, no matter what kind of redneck tars I put on it…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/14 @ 5:27 pm #
“Comment by Ardie on 4/14 @ 4:50 pm #
When I championed Ron Paul on The Politico…”
Sweet jumpin’ jeebus on a pogo stick, a Trooootherâ„¢ AND a Paultard.
Great combo you got working there, bunky.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 5:29 pm #
Nan, it’s OK. See, what you do is pretend to engage the troll. Feed his stereotypes. It’s honestly much more fun.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 5:30 pm #
You mean to tell me, if I go to a third world country, I can sell my children? It’s a little late on that kidney thing, but I’ve got plenty of kids to sell.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 5:31 pm #
LOL, sucker.
Comment by SarahW on 4/14 @ 5:32 pm #
Poor Ardo. What with frustration about the fail of the only man who could save America, he must be at his wits end, not that he had far to go.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 4/14 @ 5:32 pm #
A Bircher-Buchananite-Paultard-Troofer.
Good grief. The quality of trolls ’round these parts has declined precipitously over the past year or so…
Comment by cjd on 4/14 @ 5:33 pm #
N O’b: We should probably go for the trifecta and ask for Ardie’s views on Israel.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 5:33 pm #
Well, Maggie, you may have a spare kidney to sell, but I think can more than make up for it with the excessive amounts of children in my house.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/14 @ 5:40 pm #
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!eleven!!!!!1!!!!
Comment by alppuccino on 4/14 @ 5:43 pm #
Remember when a kid would blow chow all over his desk and then the janitor would come in and sprinkle that pink powder all over it and it made it smell worse?
Comment by alppuccino on 4/14 @ 5:44 pm #
Ardie is both.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 6:17 pm #
So let me get this straight; Obama is a bad elitist meanie for overtly calling heartland crackers bible thumper christianists. In his exact words! But at the same time he’s seditious because he belongs to the wrong christianist church. Get Uncle Ben on the line! We need a marketable candidate, dammit!
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 6:18 pm #
Well, Maggie, you may have a spare kidney to sell, but I think can more than make up for it with the excessive amounts of children in my house.
Well, geez, Carin, they have kidneys, yes?
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 6:20 pm #
So let me get this straight;
There’s no straight involved. The words, the meaning, they all contort as needed.
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Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 6:22 pm #
Thanks for owning up to that.
Comment by Karl on 4/14 @ 6:23 pm #
cynn,
If you scroll back to the original post and click on the link for Black Liberation Theology, you’ll get it. If not, you can feel the elephant.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 6:23 pm #
cynn, did you even read the post?
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Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/14 @ 6:24 pm #
But at the same time he’s seditious because he belongs to the wrong christianist church.
You mean the one that says “God Damn America”?
Yeah, that’s pretty much the size of it.
Unless you have evidence that something similar goes on at those “heartland cracker” churches, your point is suspected of being irrelevant. And by “irrelevant” I mean “idiotic”.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/14 @ 6:25 pm #
people are so poor in third world countries is that they are lazy since there are so many jobs
No, they are poor because there are no jobs. Because their countries have adopted socialism.
Hint: Korea, Taiwan, and Japan used to be incredibly poor countries.
Comment by Carin on 4/14 @ 6:30 pm #
Well, Maggie, you may have a spare kidney to sell, but I think can more than make up for it with the excessive amounts of children in my house.
Well, geez, Carin, they have kidneys, yes?
True ….
Comment by N. O'Brain on 4/14 @ 6:32 pm #
I’m sitting here getting very hungry.
I might go for the steak and kidney pie.
Comment by Karl on 4/14 @ 6:35 pm #
Alphtard claims to be a Reagan Republican.
Maybe he’s Moby.
Comment by narciso on 4/14 @ 6:37 pm #
Ardie doesn’t realize that Teddy Roosevelt makes McCain seem like an Answer rep by comparison. A real American imperialist; starting out as the precursor to Wolfowitz at the Asst. Sec of Navy office; directing strategy
against Spain even before the Maine; following the dictates of Admiral Mahan.
His populist, anti-corporate stance was such that they put him as Chief of Police in New York City to keep him out of power. You’re really looking toward Coolidge as a model ,although he sent the Marines to Nicaragua; and followed up the Crowder mission to Cuba. Bryan is possibly your ideal; but he struck out three times. Wilson sent troops to Tampico, & Veracruz, instituted the Income Tax, propaganda agency; Creel Commission; among just some of his accomplishment. Also he segregated the
D.C. public schools, gave his friend Dixon encouragement for his “Klansmen”
novel, which became D.W. Griffith’s
“Birth of a Nation”. In fact, the closest parallel to Obama, is W.E.B. Dubois, who endorsed Wilson over Roosevelt, had a kind world for Communism and even Nazism, until 1937
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 6:47 pm #
No, I read your post, Karl, and you did do an excellent job. I just have two problems: 1) I put this charismatic kind of religion in the same category as the snake-handler-speaking-in-tonguers – which is to say, whatevs. 2) I’m not overly concerned that Obama has internalized the more extreme aspects of BLT. I’ll believe it when I see a 6″ afro and a bandolier on Obama. Yes, I read posts. But of course if I disagree, I must be dyslexic, right?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 4/14 @ 6:49 pm #
What’s the connection there?
Comment by glasnost on 4/14 @ 6:51 pm #
But without an understanding of the Black Liberation Theology foundation of Obama’s church  which imposes a crypto-Marxist hermeneutics on Scripture
Folks, it wasn’t Barack Obama who created the quote “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven”. Jesus Christ was a Marxist. That’s why his followers abandoned all their possessions to take up the cross. That’s not Black Theology, it’s just dispassionate reading. The guy hated worldly possessions. If you have money, you’re betraying Jesus Christ.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 6:52 pm #
you have a funny way of disagreeing is all. I thought they explained why they thought the two “churches” would be different and how Obama is okay with one, but not the other, but you don’t ask questions, you just mangle what was laid out.
Comment by maggie katzen on 4/14 @ 6:54 pm #
huh, glasnost, I soooo missed where Jesus said, “render all to Caesar”
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:00 pm #
Haven’t you heard, RTO? Black Liberation Theology espouses, nay demands, the violent overthrow of white amerikkka. May the spirits of Huey Newton and Malcolm X save us from ourselves.
Comment by MC on 4/14 @ 7:01 pm #
Jim in KC – Me too – my truck get’s 12 miles a gallon whether I’m driving it up and down the road, pulling my 26 foot low-boy, or driving through 2 feet of snow (which I did most of this global warming winter dammit).
Prius’s are turtles all the way down…
Comment by MC on 4/14 @ 7:03 pm #
The key problem with BLT is that – unless you look closely – you can’t tell the difference between theology and policy. That’s the slippery slope – they aren’t handling the snakes, they want to change the laws and such…
Comment by Merovign on 4/14 @ 7:03 pm #
Ardie:
Can’t yankee torpid golden Utrecht devious quick half volume? Kimber doldrums jape bold lip zap solstice. Obvious people whimper arduous usable ford mubmle echo.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:07 pm #
Spies: Maybe the point is in fact that I have no interest in what goes on in cracker churches. May I not extend the courtesy to what goes on in Obama’s or any on else’s church? No? Oh, the asininity.
Comment by lee on 4/14 @ 7:18 pm #
I have no interest in what goes on in cracker churches.
Oh, if only we were similarly blessed…
Comment by Pablo on 4/14 @ 7:20 pm #
Anyone else’s? Sure. I certainly do. But the guy who wants to be President? Not so much. Him, we’re gonna look at.
Comment by The Lost Dog on 4/14 @ 7:22 pm #
Karl –
Your post is so informative. I only had a weak grasp of “Black Liberation Theology” before reading it.
Thanks for expending your time for the education of the rest of us.
Obama gets scarier and scarier (and makes me nervouser and nervouser), but I am finally beginning to believe that his own bigotry and Marxist leanings will be his undoing in a general election.
I think the only problem we will face will be the charges of “racism” when he loses the election. I am afraid that no matter why Obama loses, and I am becoming more confident that he will, 1968 is going to look like a picnic.
Thanks again for making things many times clearer.
And we thought Bubba was slick! Bill Clinton has nothing on Obama…
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:29 pm #
Pablo: so you will tear him any number of invisible assholes in the greater service of the Great God McCain. Makes ultimate sense.
Comment by Darleen on 4/14 @ 7:29 pm #
Folks, it wasn’t Barack Obama who created the quote “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heavenâ€Â.
glasnot…that’s not what the Hebrew says, numbnutz. aka, last I looked Jesus sent his disciples out to persuade, not demand “submit, convert or die”.
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 7:34 pm #
Pablo: so you will tear him any number of invisible assholes in the greater service of the Great God McCain. Makes ultimate sense.
Great God McCain? You know you’re commenting on Protein Wisdom, yes? No one really likes McCain here, but he is tolerated him when considering the alternatives – and some won’t even go that far (me, for example)…
…waittaminute, you’re drinking again. Aren’t you?
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:37 pm #
Great, it always gets back to the great Arabic brown menace. The Mexican menace is a separate, but closely aligned issue. But we’re not racists.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:39 pm #
You don’t like McCain because Oscar the Grouch isn’t running.
Comment by Pablo on 4/14 @ 7:39 pm #
Apparently, I’m still sober. Because, not really.
Comment by B Moe on 4/14 @ 7:44 pm #
Jesus Christ was a Marxist. That’s why his followers abandoned all their possessions to take up the cross. That’s not Black Theology, it’s just dispassionate reading. The guy hated worldly possessions. If you have money, you’re betraying Jesus Christ.
Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to give up all your worldly possessions if you quit taking stuff from other people? Just sayin’…
Comment by happyfeet on 4/14 @ 7:44 pm #
I prefer just not thinking about McCain just now. It’s easier that way.
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 7:45 pm #
You don’t like McCain because Oscar the Grouch isn’t running.
And you don’t like the Great God McCain because he won’t buy the next round.
Or two.
And it’s spelled “Osh’ka Da Growsh” in your state.
You’re welcome.
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 7:48 pm #
… oh, yeah, and I neglected to say that Baldilocks rulez. And she’s another reason this site doesn’t completely suck.
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Comment by RTO Trainer on 4/14 @ 7:49 pm #
You’ll have to support that. For all that BLT is, this is not, to my knowledge, parcel of doctrine.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 7:51 pm #
You don’t know what state I’m from. And when you got nothin’ you revert to fratboy status. You won’t refute what I say; you go for the obvious kill. Dullards.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/14 @ 7:52 pm #
Ohio?
Comment by jdm on 4/14 @ 8:00 pm #
cynn, don’t stop being you. That response, #127, was even more nonsensical than the others. Your troll-iness is both amazing and ridiculous.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 8:01 pm #
RTO: I was being over the top there. BLT is not only a delicious sandwich, it is also an innocuous religious belief that has become the cause du jour of the rampant right. Go figure.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:13 pm #
If by “the Great God McCain” you mean “an electorate that knows who/what it’s voting for,” then yes.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:14 pm #
Though, why you would give it the name of the least mind-bogglingly unacceptable candidate for president at this point in time, I couldn’t begin to guess.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:16 pm #
It’s a pity Hugo Z. Hackenbush isn’t running, because then you could have called it “the Great God Hackenbush” and that would have made me laugh out loud.
Comment by happyfeet on 4/14 @ 8:16 pm #
Missouri?
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:18 pm #
Not until the hangover kicks in.
Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 8:18 pm #
In my opinion, the general candidacy has gone horrifically wrong. But we’re stuck with the ones that brung us.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:25 pm #
And anyway, Hackenbush wouldn’t stand a chance. If people are holding Obama’s middle name against him, imagine how they’d feel about a candidate who shares his first name with a grotesque South American dictator.
Comment by McGehee on 4/14 @ 8:29 pm #
Since it’s been brought up, I think people should give Obama a break about his middle name. What if Franklin Roosevelt’s middle name had been Adolph?
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 4/14 @ 8:29 pm #
“If you have money, you’re betraying Jesus Christ.”
Oh bullshit, glasnost. You’re probably not even Christian but using an old futile trick. Jesus was a personal Jesus. He didn’t give a shit about politics. Render to Ceaser what is Ceaser’s.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 4/14 @ 8:33 pm #
Over the top? Nothing new there. You might consider a tag to let us know when you intend to be serious or otherwise.
While BLT is not inherently violent it is, however, underpinned by Marxism, actually any “color” of Liberation Theology is. It simply wraps itself in a cloak of another form of colectivism, racism.
Comment by Darleen on 4/14 @ 8:49 pm #
Great, it always gets back to the great Arabic brown menace.
Because those [Islamist] Iranians sure are Arabic, ain’t they, cynn? And wadda bout them Arabs blowing up Aussi tourists in Bali?
The Mexican menace is a separate, but closely aligned issue.
What is it about the American soveriengty that you don’t understand, cynn?
But we’re not racists.
No, we’re not. But you??? Open for debate.
Comment by Ric Locke on 4/14 @ 10:29 pm #
Yes, cynn, it really does matter.
There’s no boot camp for Commander in Chief, let alone Advanced Executive Training. There’s no prep school. There isn’t even a Council of Elders to advise the newbie. (Perhaps there should be. But lookit the current bunch.)
Nobody is prepared to be President. Oh, they all think so, of course, and their supporters must by default assume they are; sometimes the supporters become fanatics, and belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve with the same power that saved Tinkerbell.
Except it didn’t, you know. That’s a story. You close the book. The curtain falls, and the actress playing Tinkerbell (it’s always a girl; no boy’s that epicene) gets up, skins out of the costume, and goes out shooting Jello® shots. Belief helps or hurts the believer’s soul, but it has no effect outside the individual’s endocrine system. You can’t take a lie and believe it into truth.
And when whoever it is walks in and sits in that chair, behind that desk, in that odd-shaped room with pale cream walls — it’s all new. He (or she, someday) has no training. Even if it were available it would be bootless. The routine stuff, reviewing the budget and arranging for briefings and deciding who gets keys to the john on which floor, all that’s trainable, but any pissant manager of an insurance branch office gets that training. Something happens in London; Kentucky, Ontario, England, makes no never mind; what the office manager does means people get a little richer or a little poorer. What the President does means millions of people get richer or poorer or deader. There ain’t no evading it, even for a Clinton.
It’s a rule, with people as with beer cans: if it ain’t in there, it don’t come out. What comes out of a President, or of any leader or Person in Charge, is what’s inside to start with. And when we’re looking to choose a President, we need to know what’s in there. Is it flat? Is it green? Is it skunked?
We can’t depend on what the prospect says. We do the choosing by politics, which is very, very Churchillian, the worst way except all the others. How do you know a politician is lying? — their lips move. What we can do is look for what went in, because that’s another law of the Universe, what’s in there went in at some point. But a human being is vastly complicated. Yes, we need to know what the grade-school teacher said. It went in, and it’s all in there someplace, and it’s what’ll come out.
I don’t give a damn about Black Liberation Theology. It is, in the end, self-immolating, and suicide methods don’t interest me. But whatever a potential President has been listening to, especially if it’s for a long time, very intense, or both, interests me because it’s in there and will come out — and if Liberation Theology of any stripe comes out in an American President it’s going to be very, very bad times for me and a number of people. Closely approximating six billion people, in fact. Worse for some than others, of course, but that’s the way the bell curve rings.
So no, we’re not gonna give up on it and move on, or at least I’m not. Nor should you. The only real clue we have to what will come out when whoever it is gets in office is what went in before he or she got there, and this particular Clue is pools of blood, gobbets of flesh, and little scraps of sharp white stuff. Something Not Nice This Way Comes.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/15 @ 12:27 am #
Spies: Maybe the point is in fact that I have no interest in what goes on in cracker churches.
Hmm… perhaps you shouldn’t jabber when you have no idea what you’re jabbering about, then?
Just a thought.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/15 @ 12:29 am #
And when you got nothin’ you revert to fratboy status.
Hate crime! Hate crime!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/15 @ 4:36 am #
The indifference to BLT is breath-taking. I can’t imagine how they would react if a Republican had even casual ties to a Christian Identity loon.
Of course, Republicans wouldn’t have let such a loon come close to getting the presidential nomination…
Comment by thor on 4/15 @ 5:00 am #
Cynn’s not a racist. I am, somewhat, because I offend. Cynn cares. I don’t, well, I pretend not to.
Cynn uses cute phrasings, so I’m on her team.
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Comment by cynn on 4/14 @ 8:01 pm #
#139
RTO: I was being over the top there. BLT is not only a delicious sandwich, it is also an innocuous religious belief that has become the cause du jour of the rampant right. Go figure.
Not so innocuous when the leader of the free world uses it to make domestic and foreign policy. Karl Marx was just a old crank until some innocuous russians started to take him seriously.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/15 @ 6:24 am #
Anyone remember when the Democrats were upset that federal court nominees were not just Catholic, but practicing Catholics that agreed with their church’s stance on abortion?
Well, now that they have a religious leftist candidate, suddenly the theology of public officials is meaningless.
Comment by JD on 4/15 @ 6:34 am #
Rob C – You know those standards only apply to those that they disagree with politically.
Comment by SGT Ted on 4/15 @ 9:12 am #
When I championed Ron Paul on The Politico
Did I call that or what?
Comment by J. Peden on 4/15 @ 11:40 am #
Karl, a belated thanks to you for that BLT exposition. It was got dam great.
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