So sayeth Barack Obama in an interview with Michael Smerconish set to air today regarding the Obama-Wright-Trinity controversy. He also says, “This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church.” As it turns out, if you went there on this Easter Sunday, you would have heard the Rev. Otis Moss III compare the noxious and hateful Rev. Jeremiah Wright to Christ – a view that many might find to be “crackpot.”
However, as Smerconish has been defending Obama’s race speech, it seems unlikely that Smerconish will ask, let alone that Obama will answer, the more serious questions about his church — questions from which his speech on race is intended to distract.
Obama has never had to acknowledge that the vision of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is is based upon the systematized Black Liberation Theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.  In Black Theology and Black Power, Cone wrote, “Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil.’â€Â Cone is of the belief that:
Black theology is the only genuine manifestation of Christianity in America today. White theology is basically racist and nonChristian. If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it. It is the enemy of Christ.
For many, calling such a theology ”crackpot” would be overly mild.  Moreover, referring to the notion of the “white church” itself leads to gross racial stereotyping — glossing over, for example, the roles played by white churches and clerics in the abolitionist movement and the civil rights movement of the 1950s-60s.ÂÂ
Obama has never been asked about the idea that heaven is irrelevant in black theology and that Christians cannot waste time contemplating the next world, if there is a next world.  Indeed, Cone believes: “The most corrupting influence among the black churches was their adoption of the ‘white lie’ that Christianity is primarily concerned with an other world reality.â€Â
This puts Cone in agreement with his fellow theologian, Preston N. Williams of Boston University: “The black man cannot divorce theology from social action. Whites say, ‘That’s not theology at all.’ The real question is who is going to define the norms of theology.”  Obama has written that he joined Trinity precisely because the idea of the church as “the center of the community’s political, economic, and social as well as spiritual life” and “an active, palpable agent in the world” appealed to him. Yet Obama has never been asked about the implications of those statements within the context of the theology of his church.
As noted here previously, the underlying theological tradition from which liberation theologies spring is directly opposed to the Enlightenment-based separation of religion from politics observed to varying degrees throughout America’s history.  Converting the gospel into a crypto-Marxist political agenda is every bit as corrosive of that separation as the extreme elements of the Religious Right. Yet the establishment media either reamains ignorant or seeks to avoid this particular church-state issue. Indeed, Religious Left journalists like TIME magazine’s Amy Sullivan attempt to defend Wright, Trinity and Obama with the assertion that most whites do not know what goes on in black churches, which ignorantly or mendaciously lumps black churches together in the same stereotypical way Cone does to predominantly white churches.ÂÂ
Obama knew he was joining a radical church; Rev. Wright told him so from the start. A previous informal estimate was that perhaps 25 percent of black churches used Wright’s style of preaching, though it was unclear as to whether this referred to Black Liberation Theology or the prophetic style of preaching that may be employed in non-BLT churches.  A ten-year statistical study of the black church in America showed that less than 35% of black urban clergy were influenced by BLT and that it is largely an elitist phenomenon. BLT was also more prevalent among younger members of the clergy, so the number of black urban clergy so influenced may be higher today, though not greatly so (BLT, like most forms of crypto-Marxism, is a propagated largely through academia, but preaching generally does not require seminary training). Thus, to suggest that Trinity’s Black Liberation theology is representative of “black churches” does the majority of such institutions a great disservice.
It is, however a great service to Barack Obama, who gets to claim that his church is “not a crackpot church” with hardly anyone examining what the theology of his church is, let alone the implications that theology has for the separation of religion and politics. The McClatchy newspaper chain has asked Obama to respond to written questions about his thoughts on Jesus, Cone or liberation theology, but he has stonewalled, preferring friendly radio interviews with the easily distracted.
Update: Allah-lanche!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 6:03 am #
Karl, culture doesnt shape society..society shapes culture according to their needs.
i think…..a common theme runnin thru afroamerican society is immunization against humiliation.
im not sayin it is right, but it answers a cultural need.
we live in the metaculture of blame, blacks, whites, yellows and browns.
that is why litigation.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 6:03 am #
5th paragraph, is that a “Wright” instead of “white”?
I expect this week the tenor of O’s responses will be “I’ve already responded to that … yada yada … LOOK A SHINY PENNY!”
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 6:09 am #
I would say you are somewhat correct there, since “being disrespected” is considered a high crime and misdemeanor in certain segments of black society. But, lacking 145 IQ, I fail to see how that correlates to O belonging to a church with noxious beliefs that run to counter to the ideals, hopes, and aspirations of someone [who could be] running our country.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 6:10 am #
i prefer Cosby Liberation Theology myself. ;)
Comment by Mike on 3/24 @ 6:12 am #
So here’s my question: why is it that when a candidate says his faith informs his stance on, say, abortion, that’s a violation of Jefferson’s “wall of separation” — but when we see the Marxist gospel of BLT underpinning Obama’s support for welfare programs, etc., nobody says boo?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 6:14 am #
Carin, i dont think BLT is the sum and substance of TUCC.
its wat u see on youtube is all.
i think partly O’s attendance is deference to an old racewarrior on the verge of retirement.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/24 @ 6:21 am #
“…the underlying theological tradition from which liberation theologies spring is directly opposed to the Enlightenment-based separation of religion from politics observed to varying degrees throughout America’s history.”
Which is why it’s ok for Democrat politicians to use black pulpits.
But just let a Republican go to Bob Jones University to give a speech.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 3/24 @ 6:26 am #
So where’s the YouTube counteroffensive?
Where are the myriad clips of Rev. Wright giving the pure gospel sermon. The patriotic sermon? The sermon of tollerance and and responsibility? That would seem to be the obvious counter move–especially if the defense is that the comments shown are “cherry picked.” The next step is to demonstrate.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/24 @ 6:36 am #
its wat u see on youtube is all.
Mainly because those segments are “wat” Barry’s church is selling on DVD.
But they’re just momentary slips, y’know? It’s not like they could’ve been edited out or anything like that.
Moron.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 6:37 am #
Wright sounds like those shops that have “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE” permanently affixed to their windows, considering Obama’s been attending for 20 years. That’s a hella long time to be on the verge of retirement.
Stop excusing him, you weak-minded fool. Accept that you’ve been scammed by a theomarxist, that your hormones ran away from you and clouded what little reason there is in your fad-addled skull.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 6:37 am #
It doesn’t have to be the sum, but it definitely is at least part of the substance.
I’ve known people like this- like Wright - to whom white people (those who aren’t devils) are basically irrelevant. They can be polite to you, but they are separatists through and through. I find it abhorrent, no matter from what it derives. My old neighborhood had some people like this- one who was a preacher (I wouldn’t be surprised if he were a BLT-guy himself).
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 6:39 am #
I see that the nishidiot is starting off the week by just making shite up again. The available evidence, nishi, is that Baracky joined the church because of its theology, and was a well thought out, informed decision. You are simply pulling at strings.
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 6:43 am #
Where’s the fellowship? Where’s the love for your fellow man? Where’s the humility? Where’s the salvation?
Where is there anything BUT BLT in that church? Evidence please.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 6:47 am #
Mike the problem is BLT’s marxism underpinnings are not seperable from standard democratic party platform.
so u cant say….Theolib!!!
grievance politics, race baiting, redistribution of wealth, SOP for the dems.
praps that is another reason TUCC appeals to O.
it embodies the basic core values of the democrats, with an added layer of extremism (which O does not believe in, as he has said.)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 6:51 am #
Carin, the market drives wat we see.
i suggest less fiery, less extreme clips just dont sell.
i expect that O might have left TUCC like Oprah, but stayed out of deference and affection for Wright.
the guy served as a Marine, u know.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 6:53 am #
The mind wobbles.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 6:55 am #
i expect that O might have left TUCC like Oprah, but stayed out of deference and affection for Wright.
Again with the making shite up … If that were the case, and with Baracky being the great orator that he is, don’t you think he would have said that? He already threw Wright and Grandma under the back of the bus.
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Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 6:58 am #
Can we find some less fiery, less extreme clips of Haggee? I’m sure at times he seems reasonable too. But, you know, market forces brought us extreme Haggee as well.
But, in truth - it doesn’t matter when someone only occasionally says racist and/or derogatory things. I mean, if occasionally let the “n” word slip … you know, when I’m fired up and a black person cuts me off in traffic … well, I’m not a racist, right? Because of all the OTHER times I don’t say racist things.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 7:00 am #
That is why litigation…what?
Switch to English, please. If you can.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:23 am #
Really? Because there’s a freaking 24-hour cable channel started by a nun that, as far as I’ve ever seen, is all about peace and love and understanding from a Catholic perspective. Somehow, that channel manages to find enough donors to stay on the air (so to speak). Now why does Wright’s bile-and-race-hatred sell? Why does Barack “the Uniter” Obama fund the bile-and-race-hatred?
Except that Wacky Baracky cited Wright as his “inspiration” and appointed him to an advisory position on his campaign, within the last year.
You can spin all you want, but it’s all lies. Barack Obama buys into the whole racist screed pumped out by Wright; his actions make that clear.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:25 am #
Barack Obama buys into the whole racist screed
he repudiated it.
u are wrong, unless u can read O’s mind and tell us he was lying.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:27 am #
So you’re saying the Democrats are the party of Hate Whitey? That it’s the position of the Democrat party that White Churches (capitalization courtesy of Cone) are the Antichrist?
I can see it being true, I’m just trying to figure out if that’s really what you mean.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:31 am #
Where? When? I want a statement in clear English saying he doesn’t believe in the things Wright preaches. I don’t want a half-assed “I denounce the controversial statements”, I want a precise explanation from Wacky Baracky on what he disagrees with and why, if he so disagrees with Wright, he continued attending that church and funding it. Why, if he so disagrees with Wright, was Wright one of his advisors? Why, if he so disagrees with Wright, did he cite him as an “inspiration”? Why, if he so disagrees with Wright, did he cite Wright’s sermons including one containing blatant bigotry in his own writings?
Again, you can try to spin it all you want, but every ounce of that spin is a lie.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:33 am #
Once again, neither Hagee or Wright is running for president.
i did loose perspective on Hagee….because mccain conditionally accepted his endorsement.
i was incredulous and horrified from a republican perspective.
hagee and wright are both loathesome, IMHO.
but mccain has no reason to accept hagee’s endorsement other than political expediency.
O has affection and longtime acquaintence with Wright.
i thot it was kinda noble that O didnt toss Rev. Wright away.
again..i dont think radical dispensionalism, anti-catholic bigotry and a lot of Hagee’s other core beliefs have much in the Republican party i grew up with.
but perhaps they do now.
the marxist underpinnings of BLT are however isomorphic with democratic party principles.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:34 am #
in common with.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:39 am #
the Democrats are the party of Hate Whitey?
nope, but the democratic party exploits race, indulges in greivance politcs, blames america first, endorses redistribution of wealth….there is a common denominator between BLT and democratic party core themes.
i guess i would say demcratic party core vales represent a subset of BLT or a set intersection with BLT.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 7:39 am #
I had absolutely no idea that McCain was a member of Hagee’s church. Now I’m going to have to toss a coin, to vote.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:40 am #
O used four words from that sermon.
the audacity of hope
insufficient datapoints to declared isomorphism of ideas.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:42 am #
mccain is not a member of hagees church, slart.
that is why political expediency is the only reason that mccain wud have accepted hagees endorsement.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 7:42 am #
i thot it was kinda noble that O didnt toss Rev. Wright away.
So if you thought that was noble, what did you think when Obama released the photo of Bill the Sinner with the Reverend Wright?
“I can no more disown Revright, than I could the entire black community. But while we’re on the subject, take a look at this picture of Bill Clinton with that crazy bastard. See, the Clintons have a big shit stain on their undies too!”
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 7:43 am #
This is just the nishidiot spinning like a top for Baracky. Her loins ache for him. This is really quite simple. Baracky’s words and actions for the last 20 years show a pattern of personal and financial endorsement of the Church and Rev. Wright. Only when it becomes inconvenient in a Presidential election does Baracky attempt to distance himself, and even then, in a disingenuous manner.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:46 am #
I’d say that attending close to 1000 sermons delivered by Wright is a fair collection of data points. Toss in his openly expressed admiration for the bigoted preacher and it’s damning.
Try thinking for once, nishi, instead of just using the fast-twitch muscles in your fingers.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 7:46 am #
Bingo.
Now, please stop acting as if you don’t know that.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:48 am #
AND YOU SUPPORT BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:49 am #
has asked Obama to respond to written questions about his thoughts on Jesus
i think this all verges on a violation of article 6.
and you whited sepulchres were oh so defensive of Mitt’s whacky religion, lulz.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 7:51 am #
Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Explain the Article 6 implications of a journalist asking a Presidential candidate about their core belief system.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 7:52 am #
AND YOU SUPPORT BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS!
nope, i dont.
i think BLT is whacktheory and i am still a registered republican.
u guyz get so confuzzled about my wantin to unnerstand the process, the mechanisms of belief.
it NEVER means i endorse the product.
i gtg to work…have a nice day.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 7:54 am #
And, to jump on Rob Crawford’s #35 - if both the Democratic party AND Obama’s church share this commonality, how can you back Obama? O is twice stained. Despite what he says, Obama MUST really and truly believe these things.
The hope and changiness is a dream of THOSE THINGS.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 7:54 am #
BS on the registered Republican crap. Not one time have you espoused anything remotely close to Republican or conservative ideology. Moby.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 7:55 am #
What on Earth do media questions have to do with Article VI, nishi? Do you even stop to consider what you write before you hit the “Say It!” button?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 7:57 am #
One correct response out of untold thousands. It’s like trying to net individual gold atoms out of seawater.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 7:57 am #
Slarti - One can only assume that to the nishidiot, a journalist asking questions about a belief system is the equivalent of the government requiring a religious test for anyone seeking public office.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 7:58 am #
Not at all. Article 6 forbids the government from placing religious requirements on office holders. There’s no reason why people cannot question candidates on their religious beliefs.
Listen, child, Mormons do not accuse me of genocide. Mormons do not refer to me as “the real enemy”.
Why a little brat like yourself feels the privilege to insult someone else’s faith while shielding your own behind “u dont know anything bout my faith” is beyond me. Why a little brat like you feels intellectually superior to everyone else while writing in a style that would embarrass a toddler is a mystery.
Grow up, nishi.
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 7:58 am #
I think we’re all supposed to pretend that nishi hasn’t endorsed Obama.
Like that’s gonna happen.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 8:02 am #
Then why are your panties moist for Obama? You freaking pant over the idiot; you come to his defense constantly. You make up blatant lies to “counter” his own screw-ups.
You support him. You support his candidacy.
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Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 8:09 am #
Actually, you seem to jump the gun all the way to telling people they’re “blinded by religion” long before you get to the understanding part.
So please forgive us all for looking askance^32 at statements of this kind. There’s no evidence whatsoever that either understanding or interest in understanding are occurring on your side of the monitor.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 8:11 am #
I’ve even asked what issues she supports from a conservative perspective, and why she’s so willing to toss them aside to support Whacky Baracky. She just bleated more about “theocons” and dodged the question.
Just as she’ll never bother to look for a statement like the one I asked for in 24. Not that she ever COULD find such a statement; Obama’s never said anything close to that.
Comment by narciso on 3/24 @ 8:13 am #
“This is not my beautiful house, this is not my beautiful car. . .how did I get here” David Byrnes”, Talking Heads. Interestingly, it’s a good restatement of the TUCC anti-middle class ideology. To see an even more ludicrous defense of Reverend Wright;
complete with comments from early truther Gore Vidal; I give you the left
Latin America blog: Beautiful Horizons;
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These are the Times That Try Our Souls
The Unique Mess that our Republic is in can be, in part, Attributed to a Corrupt Press whose roots are in mendatious news. . . Aided by Tabloids that . . . manfacture stories. This mingling Opinion and Fiction has undone a Media never devoted to Truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican Smear Machine goes into action when they realize, yet again the Party’s permanent Unpopularity . . . will cause them defeat . . . Unless they smear.
Gore Vidal
The last two weeks have been among the most depressing of this entire politcal season. Even though one knew something like it was coming the ferocity of it and the sheer lack of balance took one’s breath away. For a while this winter there was a hope that serious times called for serious discussion and the time for trivia was over. No such luck.
Consider the last two weeks. A candidate for President has been defined as the “Other” because his pastor, in a twenty year career, said some uncharitable things about the Land of the Free (which is totally unacceptable unless - like John Haggee or Jerry Falwell, you’re a Republican). The great and the Good in the Media demanded that Barack Obama immediately denounce the Rev. Wright as an unfit successor to the Sainted Martin Luthur King.
(Of course in 1967, when King spoke against the Vietnam War and singled out the United States as “The Greatest Purveyor of Violence in the World today,” He was denounced in terms not too disimiliar to those used against the pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ. When MLK received the Nobel Peace Prize that year LIFE editorialized about the “Sick Joke From Oslo.” But, now, King is safely dead and all is foregiven as he “Belongs to the Ages” sanitized and “error free.”)
But this wasn’t the only outrage. We got the records of Hillary Clinton’s time as First Lady - supposedly to check her claims of Foreign Policy Experience but the first thing that ABC’s Brian Ross went were the dates when Monica was servicing Bill in the Oval Office. Voila! Hil was there in residence! Oooh the scandal! Could Paula and Gennifer be ready for the second close-ups? And Ross was busy on other fronts. Hil has been criticized for not releasing her tax returns. So has John McCain. But Ross reported, erroneously, that he had.
(Actually, the media was quite good to St. John this week. it ignored his confusion over Sunni and Shia by saying he was suffering from jet lag. Yes, but for THREE DAYS? McCain was a serial confuser which made one wonder if Obama or Clinton had done that would the Village People be so understanding?)
As the week ended a new “Controversy had arisen over remarks by former President Bill that suggested Hillary and John were “Patriots” while leaving Barack’s name out of it. So today Obama brought out Former Air Force General (and Chief of Staff) Tony McPeak to vouch for the candidate’s love of country (no “God Damn America” here!) and denouce “McCarthyism” on the part of you-know-who. Its easy to see what will lead tomorrow’s talkathons as the “Sabbath Gasbags” weigh in.
In his speech Obama said that the campaign could go one of two ways. One way was to debate the issues - actually the grave problems we’re afflicted with. The other was to continue doing what we’re doing over and over again, from election to election - “and nothing gets done.” What the last two weeks suggest is the answer to that was sinple. What a silly man! Discuss the real America? Are you kidding?
Meanwhile the Republic slips into chaos. And I mean this literally. There may be a lot of ruin in a country, as Samuel Johnson once put it, but that still means we could be nearing that state.
Consider:
We just “Celebrated” the Fifth Anniversery of our Mesopotamian misdaventure with no end in sight. George W. Bush gave us bromides and McCain sees “Victory” A victory he never deines. It is clear that the former “Guest” of the “Hanoi Hilton” sees this as a chance to replay the Vietnam War and “Get it Right” This time. His whole claim to expertise in Foreign Policy is based on his experience in SE Asia. By that measure then, Duke Cunningham should be the candidate as he was that war’s leading “Ace”. Does anyone doubt that some sort of conflict with Iran is just over the horizon? And to top this off the crew responsible did something unique in the annals of war. They cut taxes to the wealthiest citizens relieving them (in a time of a volunteer military) of no stake in the outcome - no common sacrifice.
But it is worse than that. While growing the overall national debt to $9 trillion the cost of the war, in current dollars, has amased some two trillion in the last seven years. A recent study puts the total cost at three trillion which will make this conflict more expensive than all the wars except - possibly WWII. And in WWII taxes were raised to a 90% marginal rate to finance it and rationing curbed domestic production.
Of course we had production then but no more. today our imports outwrigh our manufactors. In our current economy 12% of GDP come from maufactures while 14% is the share from imports. To finance that defict we borrow from abroad and they oblige as the US is the customer of last resort. But not for much longer. It is acknowleged that around 2/3 of the economy is supported by consumer spending but the customer - the Great American Middle Class is tapped out. Household debt as a percentage of GDP was 47.9 per cent in 1980. By 2005 it had jumped to 92.3 and was on its way to an (estimated) 97.6 by 2010. And that will probably be low. Its even worse when you only consider disposable income. It was 66% in 1980, By 2005 it was 125% of disposable. The great American Middle Class is under water.
And why not? For a quater of a century wages have stagnated. From 1949 t0 1979 real wages went up 75%. In the next twenty-five years only 12%. To keep up the family sent mom out to work. A victory for feminism possibly but a necessity to maintain standards of living. It turns out that “Middle Class” is a function of income and it doesn’t take as much as one would think to collapse families way down the scale.
All of this was a result of the great Reagan Counterrovolution of the 80’s. One by one the programs that sustained millions were dropped. CETA - a problem to subsidize workers in local government was eliminated. Housing subsidies were dropped by 89% And everywhere the panacea for all problems was the Market and the mechanism for this was “Deregulation.” Well those chickens are roosting now everywhere you look:
40 plus million without health insurance.
decaying infrastructure
an energy crisis and an environmental crisis that are linked
And the hollowing-out of American Jobs and their replacement with “mcJobs” that support no one, least of all a family.
Still the “Defense” Sector does well. Our expenditures there ($700 billion at least if cost everything out) outspends the rest of the world.
And for the top one per cent its laissez rollez bon temps! Their share of national income is the highest since the late twenties and we know how that ended. Paul Krugman warns that we’re partying like its 1929. I’d say its worse. But we have to start talking about it.
If the war goes on and we continue our fiscal mess there will be no solutions.
No money for National Health Insurance
No money for infrastructure repair, energy independence, environmental cleanup and the jobs those concerns would repesent.
Barack Obama talked about that the day after the speech. John Edwards made that the cornerstone of his campaign. Hillary speaks of it too. But you would be excused if this is news to you. Because the media want you to know about passport files and the sex life of New York Governors. And they want Hillary and Barack to call each other names. Its so much more interesting than those numbers I gave above. “MEGO” and all that you know.
(P.S. DataDave is that you)
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/24 @ 8:15 am #
Geez… all you have to do to see this guy is a closeted racist is listen to his words…. “typical white person”
Talk about a story that has gotten buried.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 8:19 am #
“typical white personâ€Â
That should be repeated, over and over and over again. This would be completely unacceptable for anyone else in politics to say, but due to all of the Obamagasms, they just let it slide.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/24 @ 8:21 am #
I asked our dear Lisa if she was a typical black person… she did not respond.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 8:22 am #
The attack of “middle-classeness” is one of those sophomoric BS issues that reveals one’s elitism and bias. As for the bullet point list at the end of that cut and paste job - I believe just about everyone of them has been addressed at one point or another on this blog. To charge that the attacks at O are coming at the expense of “serious discussion” is simply another way of saying - LOOK A SHINY PENNY!
Comment by Enoch_Root - typical white person on 3/24 @ 8:22 am #
http://typicalwhiteperson.myshirtsucks.com/?gclid=CLGwv4f5pZICFQkuHgod1SCR6A
hilarious. if it werent so sad
Comment by Enoch_Root - typical white person on 3/24 @ 8:26 am #
Narciso seems to think that the discussion over the future outcome of the war is settled. are the libtards going to do that thing again, whereby they hit the gavel, in the interest of movingon.com, similar to the great ball of global warming myth? I mean, in the interest of the free, fair exchange of ideas, and diarrhealogue, this discussion is essentially over… all is lost! !!!eleventy!fourthousand!! the threshold of doooooooooom.
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 8:43 am #
Oooo… Gore Vidal has slithered forth now that Buckley is dead. Color me unimpressed by that sniveling sack of simpering snobbery and syllogisms.
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 8:44 am #
For Vidal to suggest that those things aren’t being discussed, especially while noting that they are, demonstrates that he isn’t paying attenton.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 8:46 am #
Pablo, they just aren’t being discussed in the way he wants.
Comment by narciso on 3/24 @ 8:46 am #
No, you character from a Neal Stephenson novel, that’s not what I meant at all. I just ‘cherry picked the most ludicrous and consequently
the next line of defense for Wright
& Co.
Comment by Techie on 3/24 @ 8:46 am #
I really think nishi has to be a high schooler or something. I’m hoping that at least a college professor might have beaten some writing sense into him/her/it at sometime.
Your “dialog” on religion is laughable and as shallow as the fish pond out back.
Comment by Techie on 3/24 @ 8:50 am #
Boy, if we all hate the “Middle Class” so much, how are they supposed to buy all of those goods and services that we, the Soulless MEGACORP and their blind enablers, sell?
Government seems to be the one who would benefit from generating mass poverty, not business.
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 8:51 am #
the assertion that most whites do not know what goes on in black churches
I really really hope one of my attorneys will start blogging soon (he asked me some advice) and I told him I’d link him. He is a growing-discouraged Democrat, along time party activist, black and a moderate. He was telling me, the day this stuff with Wright broke, he was appalled by whate he was hearing … he said listening to Wright he thought at first he was listening to a SNL skit parodying “black” churches. In his long career of Dem party activist he says he has visited churches, black and white, all over this country AND he has NEVER heard stuff like “the US gov. invented AIDs to kill blacks” crap. And the BLT stuff? To quote “It offends my Anglican upbringing” (he’s Methodist).
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 8:55 am #
yeach…you should excuse the typos above — haven’t had my second cup of coffee yet…
Comment by psycho... on 3/24 @ 8:58 am #
Not so. Saying things like that is an important part of elite white identity (”propagated largely through academia,” etc). If Obama didn’t constantly signal his solidarity with his (actual) people against those who are politically useless to them — “resentful” (poor and self-made) whites and insufficiently “angry” (middle class) blacks — he’d have no base.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 3/24 @ 8:59 am #
Gore Vidal, like most intellectual lefties, is a has-been snob and posuer who has long loathed the common people that ignore his greatness while they get on with their lives. Why anyone would care one whit what he has to say on any subject is incomprehensible.
Comment by Daryl Herbert on 3/24 @ 9:05 am #
Carin wrote: I expect this week the tenor of O’s responses will be “I’ve already responded to that … yada yada … LOOK A SHINY PENNY!â€Â
Do you really think he can recapture the Jewish vote so easily?
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 9:07 am #
MikeyNTH
I was just old enough in 1968 (I was 14) to really start paying attention to national politics and I remember some of the rather inflamed bickering between Buckley and Gore … The impression that I brought away vis a vis Gore was someone who believed he had Teh Truth, hated anyone that didn’t believe his Truth and therefore had no reason to even attempt to debate in good faith. Indeed, his Truth gave him license to consider all non-believers and less than human and deserving of any opprobrium he could spit their way.
Comment by narciso on 3/24 @ 9:26 am #
Just to be clear, the blog post is by Richard DiLocero; it references Gore
Vidal, which I guess was that
generation’s Bill Maher. The former has gone so mad that he blames the death of his ‘friend’ at Iwo Jima, not on the Japanese but on ‘greedy arms
manufacturers” per his recent memoir.
Look for the DiLocero screed to be spread along with the Roger Stone; ’set
up Eliot Spitzer’ see it all ties together, like the last Futurama movie.
Seriously that requires a post all their own.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 9:27 am #
OT- but this mosaic has to be one of the most disgusting things I’ve seen. If a loved one were in that, my anger would be off the charts. I’d have to kill a lefty.
Comment by baldilocks on 3/24 @ 9:28 am #
Cone’s ideology give this Obama statement context: “I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Comment by baldilocks on 3/24 @ 9:28 am #
give=gives
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 9:29 am #
And, OT AGAIN - but National Review (paper version) has a WONDERFUL piece by Christopher Buckley on his dad. I’m going to make my (older) kids reads it this week in “school” because it’s just so great.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 9:33 am #
Carin,
Kwame’s in the news today. Typical.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 9:39 am #
Yep, perjury charges for our
boymayor.Poor thing :(
Comment by Enoch_Root - typical white person on 3/24 @ 9:50 am #
Carin - another black irishman bites the dust. I am saddened. I will now go drink meself into oblivion.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 9:55 am #
Poor thing :(
I wouldn’t worry about him. Detroit prisons are not that tough.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/24 @ 10:24 am #
Hey, Who stained the Constitution?
After reading Karl’s take on Michael Smerconish and the whole “crackpot church†concept, I was not shocked to see nishi desperately attempting to redefine the argument, change the subject or simply state wild conjecture as plausible supposition.
Part of nishi’s problem (and Smerconish’s as well, IMHO, and he was in the Constitution Center for the speech,) is the trap of the angelic, dulcet tones of Obama’s delivery. He is mesmerizing, hypnotic and oh so earnest sounding. He is the gold standard for the moving of the mob to seek sunshine and bluebirds where there might be crows and storm clouds (for what is the left other than the manifestation of classic mob mentality {see “Gladiator.”})
Which is why I deliberately read the speech several times rather than listen to the intoxicating oral sonata. What I found was very much in line with Karl’s excellent analysis; a speech on race relations that contained something for everyone while very cleverly hiding real tenets behind the unity message. Karl has done far better work on this than I could ever imagine (and his BLT post is now the topic of lively discussion at my church,) but there was one moment in the speech that I felt clearly characterized the self aggrandizing, manipulative nature of the structure.
A couple of readings of the above didn’t elicit any insights beyond the flowery description of founding and the struggle against injustice. However, Obama’s choice of language in the bolded section is quite telling for a man who professes his Christian faith. First of all, applying the concept of sin to a document is an oxymoron. Sin, after all, is a human failing and he can no more “stain†the Constitution with sin than I can apply Avian Flu to a torque wrench. Logically, he must be implying that the founders are thus stained by their failure to end slavery as a reflection of the ideals embraced by both The Constitution and the D of I.
So why not just say that? Well a smart guy like Obama is not going to “stain†the founders with “sin†as that might not be well received by the great, unwashed masses he is attempting to “unify.†Thus he “stains†the document to avoid the direct connection. This might pass unnoticed except for what appears to be a deliberate construct in describing the poor document as “stained “ with original sin.
I find this characterization both offensive and ingenuous.
There can be only one reason to use both words when describing the offense. Original sin relates to Adam and Eve’s transgression in Eden and, as a result, reflects the inherited “stain†of sin to all humanity. Thus Obama clearly implies that the sin is ongoing and continues to “stain†the country. If we look at the traditional Christian meaning of that phrase then the implication is clear: All Americans are “stained†by the Original Sin of slavery as allowed by the founders.
Some will read this and posit that Obama’s use of the phrase reflects the American Government as founded by the “stained†document. I don’t disagree that it’s possible that that was his intention and if we didn’t know of his long affiliation with Wright and TUCC he just might skate through the PR wars on this conclusion. However, one pauses when one considers how perfectly the plain meaning interpretation of his use of words folds perfectly with Black Liberation Theology. Much of the rest of the speech reflects the concepts of ongoing struggle and seeking “perfection†that also lean towards that view of oppression and “sanctification†of the oppressed. I find it almost impossible to apply the plain meanings and not see his fellow parishioners nodding their heads in understanding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Thus the entire speech becomes a subtle and clever manipulation of the issue that provides enough info for all to find something positive. A deeper understanding of the speech as reflected by the language used and his own background provide an entirely different conclusion:
Obama is a fraud.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/24 @ 11:02 am #
Um, no.
An ostensibly religious man called upon his Almighty to damn this nation. The same one Obamessiah wants to become the leader of.
Which, now that I’ve put two and two together, makes perfect sense.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 3/24 @ 11:10 am #
Darleen - I saw the video clip of that. Vidal called Buckley a nazi and Buckley threatend to knock his teeth in. (I was two in 1968). My point remains the same, though: why should any sentient being care what Gore Vidal thinks or says? He’s predictable - a wealthy left-wing snob with artistic pretentions who loathes the common people who could not care less whether he lives or dies. He’s an arrogant ineffectual poseur whose best days passed decades ago and he probably lives a bitter life on the fumes of accomplishments long withered and stale.
Think of Miss Haversham in Dickens’ “Great Expectations” and you get a glimpse into the type of character that Vidal represents. Bitter, hate-filled, nasty, and quite loony. Mind you, I’m speculating on all this, but I don’t think I’m far off. Most of those with artistic pretentions who don’t continue to produce work, let alone decent work, seem to get that way.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 3/24 @ 11:15 am #
Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 9:55 am #
al - the Wayne County Jail is no playpen. I worked at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice (Wayne County Circuit Court - Criminal Division) and my brother is a Wayne County Deputy. Believe me, the Wayne County Jail is not a place you want to visit; and Michigan’s State Prisons aren’t resorts either.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 11:20 am #
Mikey - I’ve served jury duty at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice. Being the racist I am, I saw the accused’s color, and voted to sent him off to today’s modern-day slave system … jail.
Well, the color of his skin and all the evidence. But, honestly, DNA evidence is teh work of the white devil, right? Can I get an amen?
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Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 11:30 am #
I had detention at The Trinity Lutheran School in Sterling Hts. and one of the other detainees tried to stab me with a protractor.
I’m kidding of course. Everything about Detroit is tough. Especially the driving.
Comment by MC on 3/24 @ 11:34 am #
Great post Karl. Eventually, I hope, we’ll all say, erm, “It’s the theology…”.
Just like Black Liberation Theology coopted the Christian gospel with the primacy of the black oppressed, Obama coopted Black Liberation Theology with the primacy of the universally oppressed. It is purposeful and calculated. That the black Jesus has come for the black oppressed has been realized in Obama has come for all of the oppressed has received great play informs us of its appeal.
The question for the American polity is whether we want our equality gospel coopted by the forever oppressed.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 11:39 am #
i support constitutionalism, small government, lower taxes, the right to bear arms and personal freedom.
once upon a time those were core themes of the republican party.
i do not support anti-abortion, anti-gay legislation.
i do not support school vouchers.
i do not support the bioluddite council.
i do not support the convolution of xianity with politics that has resulted in the theo-cons making up 1/3 of the republican party.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 11:41 am #
The thing is, it’s black people what can testify to how crackpotty Baracky’s hatey Marxist church is. This is a lot like the where are the moderate Muslims conundrum I think. Baracky is doing blacks a huge huge disservice by tarring all of them with his Marxist hatey sect I think… tossing all of them under the bus is what’s he’s doing.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 11:42 am #
MC, i think you cannot say that O is coopting BLT, since BLT is a super set of core democratic themes…..like your post about liberal fascism, lol.
you want to use BLT, acuz of teh outrage!
but it is really dilute marxism.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/24 @ 11:44 am #
I’ll repeat: Barack does not see his associates as criminals or crackpots unless he can get his hands on a picture of them with his opponent.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 11:45 am #
Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato? Bisexual, Lesbian and Transgendered?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 11:46 am #
feets, wat shud he do?
i think, like Myers said he blew an opportunity.
with his speech.
but wat shud he do now?
i admit, hes tarnished for me.
not because i think he embraces BLT whacktheory, but because he blew a magnificent opportunity.
praps he blew the chance at greatness.
:(
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 11:46 am #
The driving in Detroit isn’t exactly tough. It’s FAST. And, you must be absolutely fearless while merging.
Nishi- we know, dear, we know. In another thread, at another time, I’d really like the education discussion to come away from fairy-tale theoretical-land, and apply it to a city like Detroit. Where, even closing schools to consolidate empty classrooms (Detroit’s population has been sinking for decades) was opposed by the Teacher’s unions.
Comment by MayBee on 3/24 @ 11:48 am #
He needs to have a big huge speech about why this is a great country, and how the politics of victimization is the politics that leads to cities like Detroit.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 11:53 am #
Black Liberation Theology is a theologized Marxist political platform, nishi. Theologized. It’s incredibly puerile. It’s like having a Black Jesus action figure in your sandbox going bang bang evil bad white man. Bang bang evil white Republicans. HA HA HA … Black Jesus wrecks your stupid white Barbie castle with his Tonka truck! Yay Black Jesus!!!
But what should Baracky do? I don’t think he has a lot of credibility left, really. He’s betrayed black people here. Really, at this point it’s best of they deal with their own I think, but I don’t think Baracky is that gracious, and he’ll just have to get nominated, get defeated, and do his best over the months and years to feed a mythology that America just wasn’t ready (for my hatey Marxist ideology).
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 11:54 am #
*if* they deal with their own
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 11:55 am #
But ya got no beef with the convolution of Christianity and Marxism that Obama practices.
Gotcha. You’re a sad sack of raging hormones, lusting for Obama and some changey hopefulness. Or hopeful changeyness.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/24 @ 11:58 am #
Because of his church’s strong connection to BLT and his subtle allusions to many of the concepts of BLT as contained in his speeches and books (and as documented by Karl and many others) perhaps he should just come right out and state without any equivocation where he actually stands on the issue!
That would solve all of our questions in one fell swoop and end all of this conjecture. The fact that he hasn’t taken this head on indicates to me that he will never give us a straight answer because he may tarnish his bona fides with the far left.
Sorry, nishi, but he doesn’t get to skate this time from BLt with hopy changiness. He need to proclaim his position and end this debate, once and for all.
I’m not holding my breath as the fraud continues to try and finesse the whole situation. But what do I know: I’m just a typical white guy.
Comment by thor on 3/24 @ 12:01 pm #
Detroit is a victim of black on black violence.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 12:01 pm #
No. I don’t think that’s right, BJ. By trying to mainstream his hatey church and casting it as emblematic of all black people, he’s disqualified himself a lot from the conversation I think. He threw his people under the America Caused AIDS And Deserved 9/11 bus, and the damage is done. What an asshole.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/24 @ 12:10 pm #
Believe me, hf, I’d be happy if he leaves it the way it is. My opinion is that he can’t possibnly say anymore because every road he tries to take from here on out will have negative consequences for some aspect of the unity campaign. I wrote the above for nishi but I don’t think there’s any way he’ll try to clarify his BLT position and, after the “typical white person” flub, he’ll deny access or comment on this issue from here on, in the (remote) hope that it will eventually fade away.
Good luck with that, Senator.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 12:16 pm #
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Detroit is what you get when you allow racial politics, and it’s cousin victimization, to run rampant. Criticism is deflected with cries of racism.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 12:18 pm #
And, I personally don’t think O blew a big opportunity. I’m of the opinion that there is no “there” there. In Obama. He’s not the second coming of MLK.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 12:34 pm #
And, oddly, all failures are deflected with racism. Oh, they couch it in terms of blaming the “suburbs”, but it’s pretty clear what they mean by it.
It’s extremely sad to watch Cincinnati heading the same way.
Comment by MC on 3/24 @ 12:39 pm #
BLT is a super set of core democratic themes…
Nishi, this is you stating that Obama’s politics is not distinguishable from his theology. Now do you believe it?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 12:55 pm #
no MC….cuz i dont think O belives in the non-intersect stuff, like the gov giving black ppl aids.
i think he believes in the set intersection, the things contained in both the democratic party principles and BLT.
but not the stuff specific to BLT.
and like creole said, BLT only pays lips service to theology, it is not a religion per se.
i think BJTex is right tho.
the speech disavowing BLT completely would lose a chunk of votes.
so he cant make it.
:(
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 12:58 pm #
feets, ur right…he threw mainstream black ppl under the bus.
but his other choice was to throw TUCC and the 35% under the bus, and i guess he couldnt do that.
likely cuz hed gone there for 20 years.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 1:01 pm #
But Obama pretty clearly believes it’s understandable if lots and lots of black people believe the government gave black people AIDS. That’s even worse really, cause that’s his base. He’s benefited through exploiting their hateyness, they launched his career, and it’s not very changey or hopey.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 1:02 pm #
oh - i wrote 107 before I saw 106 - NG is buggin at me is the problem.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:06 pm #
Evidence? Where has he directly stated his disagreement with that claim?
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 1:07 pm #
Theolibs, however…DREAMY!!! Especially with that wacky Jesus X dealio. (See what i did there?)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:09 pm #
Rob because its stupid.
he said he disagreed with the controversial stuff.
certainly that controversial….and stupid.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:12 pm #
pablo, hes not a theolib.
he is not a motie either.
redistribution of wealth, greivance politics, eevul america, exploiting racial divides, those things are the traditional functions of the democratic party.
same old same old.
he isnt changing anything to reflect his religious beliefs.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:13 pm #
So you have no direct statement from him saying he disagrees?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:14 pm #
Prove it.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:16 pm #
if anything, BLT is the democratic party platform with added whacky extremeism.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:17 pm #
a theolib would convolve religious issue with politics.
BLT isnt a religion.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:18 pm #
we had that discussion already…weren’t u there?
Comment by McGehee on 3/24 @ 1:19 pm #
Given that Obama’s attended this church for 20 years and has been seen nodding in agreement during Wright’s BLT tirades, how do you know what he thinks is “controversial”?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 1:22 pm #
I don’t think that’s necessarily controversial, inside of his church.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 1:27 pm #
none of you think O believes the gov gave black ppl AIDS.
he’s Harvard educated lawyer.
that is ignorant conspiracy theory bullshit.
feets showed me wat happened.
O had a choice between throwin TUCC and the 35% under the bus or throwin mainstream blacks.
for some reason, cuz he had affection for the old crazy guy, cuz he got married there and his kids went to sunday school there, w/e, he saved TUCC and rev wright.
but he didnt save TUCC cuz he believes the gov gave AIDS to black ppl.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:30 pm #
I’ve never seen you prove anything. You assert a lot, but offer little evidence.
The fuck?!
I realize this is difficult for you to comprehend, but his religion is informed by Black Liberation Theology. His politics are clearly informed by his religion. Therefore, he’s a “theolib” — he’s basing his political stands on his faith.
Your willingness to make up some false criteria in order to exclude him from the category you previously said was offensive to you is a testament to your intellectual dishonesty.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 1:32 pm #
O disagrees with the “stupid” stuff … but I’m confused as to what that label applies. Does it apply to the denunciation, in the church’s mission statement, of the middle class? There is an aspect of separatism behind that idea - that blacks separate themselves from the white middle class (which would apply to a whole heck of a lot of people) - that I’m rather uncomfortable with.
Does O denounce that?
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 1:35 pm #
Go preach that at Trinity. Good luck.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:35 pm #
I have no idea; he’s never stated his thoughts on the matter.
Lawyers are hardly immune to “conspiracy theory bullshit”; plenty of highly educated people believe truly insane theories. I knew a physics prof who believed, for example, that the human nervous system was a radio antenna centered on the genitals, and that war never solved anything.
He also believed there was something to cold fusion, which — being within his realm of expertise — he should have been better able to judge. However, he also had his own theory on the nature of matter, and cold fusion neatly fit into that theory, so he pursued cold fusion in order to prove his own theory correct.
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 1:36 pm #
Ding ding ding! We have a winnah!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/24 @ 1:37 pm #
Oh, and, nishi, you’ve previously tried to argue that Obama himself is a mainstream Christian (more or less), and also ridiculed the idea of the Virgin Birth.
Do you count that under the crazy stuff Obama believes? And if so, why is it such a leap from one crazy idea to another, particularly since a man he admires brought both of them to him?
Comment by Pablo on 3/24 @ 1:38 pm #
Next nishi will be telling us that Trinity isn’t a church. I can’t wait.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 1:40 pm #
its not a church; it’s the site of a nukular explosion
Comment by McGehee on 3/24 @ 1:52 pm #
You’re arguing this as though it’s the one and only thing that determines whether someone is a BLT-type.
I might as well argue that if you don’t believe George Washington chopped down his father’s prize cherry tree, you’re not an American.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 3/24 @ 2:06 pm #
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 11:46 am
I used to liken it to a “high speed knife fight”; though sometimes it is a low speed knife fight.
Comment by I can haz txt msg on 3/24 @ 2:21 pm #
Nishi,
wut up? I c u found out how 2 post msgs from ur iPhone…
Comment by B Moe on 3/24 @ 2:36 pm #
…he said he disagreed with the controversial stuff.
Are you familiar with the political term, non-denial denial, nishi? Like when a reporter calls a politico to confirm a story, and gets threatened with a lawsuit if they print it, but never directly told the story was wrong? This is what Obama is doing here, thing of it as a non-repudiating repudiation. If he wan’t to condemn the AIDS story, he would come out and say “I don’t believe that AIDS was created by the US as a weapon of genocide.” Or “I disagree that God would damn America.” But he hasn’t, whether he actually believes it isn’t as important to me as the fact that he won’t expressly deny it. Instead, in a moment of breath-taking honesty if you read what he literally says, he condemns only that which creates controversy, because it is the controversy that he actually finds upsetting.
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 2:44 pm #
nishi
re your #86 … I posit you are very very confused when on one hand you want smaller gov and on the other you support a gov monopoly on education and science.
Obama is a far-left “progg” who means to nationalize medicine and beat the rest of the American economy into the socialist corner by wielding the cudgel of confiscatory taxes.
Stop “thinking” with your gonads.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/24 @ 2:49 pm #
Nishi, for the last damn time BLT proponents think that their theology (logos = study of; theos = God/Religion) is, in fact, inspirted by God as demonstrated by about a hundred frikkin’ examples of Cone’s writing. Quit being a disengenuous little idiot and stop saying it’s not a religion. By the tenets of the people who believe in it, they consider it inspired insight into God’s mind. That makes it part and parcel of their version of Christianity and thus a part of their religion.
Enough already! Come up with something else rather than just completed the same lie over and over.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 3:33 pm #
a gov monopoly on education and science.
cmon darleen, do i really have to bitchslap you with the Wedge Strategy again?
ID is not science, and its never going to be science.
BJTex, creole said:
First, let’s get this “religion†label out of the way. BLT is not a religion. It is an interpretation of the American black experience through the lens of a very specific Christian interpretation as posited by James Cone. It is a belief system or framework. Note the wording, it is the “basis†for TUCC’s vision. It is also not a denomination, because there is not an institutional structure. But all of this is academic.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 3:38 pm #
So, Darleen had never been aware of the Wedge Strategy before you brought it up, nishi?
Novel hypothesis. Now show us.
Comment by Carin on 3/24 @ 3:42 pm #
And, the Wedge strategy/ID has exactly WHAT to do with this thread?
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 3:46 pm #
How can Baracky criticize Intelligent Design when he thinks AIDS was developed in a lab?
Comment by McGehee on 3/24 @ 3:53 pm #
Only an opportunity for nishi to show us what she does know, to distract us from the glaringly obvious boatloads of what she doesn’t know.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/24 @ 4:11 pm #
nishidiot:
I’ve been following your latest iteration here at PW and cannot recall a time when you successfully “bitch-slapped” anyone, much less Darleen.
Comment by baldilocks on 3/24 @ 4:25 pm #
Why do you all argue with that twit? Even the other resident Leftists look down on it.
Comment by Darleen on 3/24 @ 4:29 pm #
oh nishi, you silly little twat,
Bitch slap me? When? And I’m not bringing in ID (geez, I had to actually go to your link to figure wtf you were attempting to talk about) You claim to be for small gov, yet you want gov to support YOU pet projects … ie government monopoly on education and the science programs YOU want the gov to fund.
I say that the only way we get to small gov is to move ‘em out of the areas that are not the proper role of gov…. abolish the Dept of Education, stop funding science research, get rid of all manner of earmarks, pork, bridges to nowhere, etc and let people have more of their own money to spend, donate, fund projects as they see fit.
BTW, BLT is like Islamism … a theocratic way of approaching how everyone besides the true believers must live. It is both religion and politics.
Comment by lee on 3/24 @ 4:33 pm #
Intellectually dishonest? Nishi? Say it ain’t so!
#22-u are wrong, unless u can read O’s mind and tell us he was lying.
and
#29-insufficient datapoints to declared isomorphism of ideas.
followed by:
#91-not because i think he embraces BLT whacktheory,
#105-no MC….cuz i dont think O belives in the non-intersect stuff, like the gov giving black ppl aids.
i think he believes in the set intersection, the things contained in both the democratic party principles and BLT.
but not the stuff specific to BLT.
and the all encompassing:
#120-none of you think O believes the gov gave black ppl AIDS.
and
-but he didnt save TUCC cuz he believes the gov gave AIDS to black ppl.
So, I guess nishi reads Obamas mind, much like the citizenry of Middle East North Africa.
Comment by lee on 3/24 @ 4:40 pm #
Nishi, would you give tens of thousands of dollars to an organization who’s purpose is the dissemination of ideas, if you didn’t believe in those ideas?
Comment by cranky-d on 3/24 @ 4:44 pm #
IMO, hf at #94 has summarized the whole thing.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 4:55 pm #
abolish the Dept of Education
wow…i thot public school was a basic american theme.
guess im wrong again.
juliette, im banned at dKos and LGF, at althouse and feministe.
jeffie is the only one who tolerates me anymore.
and that is because he doesnt read the threads.
im just a griefer anymore.
Comment by McGehee on 3/24 @ 5:30 pm #
Only the nishtoon would think abolishing the U.S. Department of Education would mean the end of public education.
But then, nishtoon is only 12 years old, at least mentally.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 5:39 pm #
wow…i thot public school was a basic american theme.
guess im wrong again.
You claimed to be a constitutionalist previously. Where in the Constitution, the real one - not the one you wish we had, is the Federal government given control over State functions?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:05 pm #
and i forgot to say allahpundit wont let me have a comment account at hotair cuz i said it looked like Malkin was wearin clown makeup on the bill o show.
but she did!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:15 pm #
woot!
dr. yes catches malkin in the act!
homo theoconus estupidus
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:15 pm #
link
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:21 pm #
shez isomorphic wid mccain.
dumb bitch.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 8:25 pm #
Oh. I don’t know how that happens. She seems fairly bright most of the time. She should have her chart done so she knows when it’s quiet time I think.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:33 pm #
she was very stupid on Dubai Ports World.
i reckon i cud forgive that if she admitted it.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 8:40 pm #
DPW. That’s really the only other thing that sticks in my mind where she really kind of befuddled me by going from 0 to stoopid in like three seconds. But this is really potentially of more consequence.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 8:42 pm #
Can anyone else feel and ALL CAPS nishidiot moment coming on ?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 8:43 pm #
well..my droogies at gnxp think autism may have more to do with assortative mating.
but, u kno…..that might be science.
lulz
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 8:47 pm #
So, science much like religion, seems to be important to the nishidiot, when it comports with her world view.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 8:49 pm #
Concern about autism is one thing but the general anti-vaccinationism in Malkin’s piece is really troubling. She must not understand bioterrorism. One of our few defenses really is a citizenry that’s not afraid of needles.
Comment by MayBee on 3/24 @ 8:52 pm #
What did Michelle Malkin say that is so wrong and stupid there?
I don’t agree with her choices, but everybody has to be their own advocate when it comes to medicine. Making medical choices for your child is one of the scariest things in the world, because you want so badly to be right.
When I got my children’s vaccinated, I was presented with a disclosure statement full of the things that could happen. Now, the odds are tiny, but some babies are adversely affected by some vaccinations (and no, I’m not talking about autism).
Anyway, I often don’t agree with Michelle but I think you two are being too hard on her here.
Comment by JD on 3/24 @ 8:53 pm #
The plaintiff’s bar that started pushing this “vaccination causes autism” meme should be punished. They won’t.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 8:59 pm #
Maybe, but it’s one thing to be your own advocate and another to proselytize… I think a lot of Michelle’s readership is quite amenable to substituting her judgment for their own. Also I’m one of those who can’t get the smallpox vaccine so it’s really important a lot of everyone else can/will … smallpox attacks the face, MayBee. Not in an adds charactery way either.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 9:02 pm #
maybee shez a bioluddite.
i despise her.
and for the clown makeup too.
she offends me as a captain in the taste police.
;)
Comment by baldilocks on 3/24 @ 9:04 pm #
juliette, im banned at dKos and LGF, at althouse and feministe.
Now that takes work. Carry on.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 9:08 pm #
Reynolds added a good update. It’s very smart I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 9:14 pm #
It’s smart enough to steal I think…
The whole post is here.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 9:18 pm #
ohhh
SDB
my sempai.
i usta be a lot nicer feets.
i have gone over to the darkside.
i cant come back.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 9:20 pm #
Of course you can come back. We have cupcakes.
Comment by MayBee on 3/24 @ 9:55 pm #
Also I’m one of those who can’t get the smallpox vaccine so it’s really important a lot of everyone else can/will … smallpox attacks the face, MayBee. Not in an adds charactery way either.
I understand. As you illustrate, there are risks to the smallpox vaccine- including (very rarely) death. So any parent is going to wonder, Am I putting my baby’s life at risk by giving him this vaccine?
Now, I think everyone that can be vaccinated should be, for the reason SDB mentions. That doesn’t mean there aren’t some babies that will pay a high price though.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 10:02 pm #
this baby
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 10:03 pm #
he died
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 10:42 pm #
“griefer” is just gamespeek for troll.
Why are you trolling us, nishi? It’s tragic that you don’t have better things to do.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 10:50 pm #
Vaccination is sort of an ethos I think, if that makes any sense. What it relies on is what scientists should think of when they needlessly court controversy.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/24 @ 10:59 pm #
slart……i wanna pain u…….cut u and stab u.
this site was teh awesome.
ubertl33t memewarrior, that was jeffie.
now its pablum.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/24 @ 11:04 pm #
I’m gonna kick that wrestler guy’s ass if he doesn’t give Jeff back. I’ve been working out.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 11:07 pm #
Ok, then. Somehow, though, it’s nothing more irritating than a mild road rash. Maybe something like your “A” game is in order.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/24 @ 11:14 pm #
Actually, more like athlete’s foot. I had athlete’s foot really bad in high school, and at State I couldn’t even curl the toes of my left foot over the edge of the starting block.
Probably cost me third place. Maybe even second, if I’m feeling particularly sorry for myself.
Nishi’s not that irritating, though.
Comment by MayBee on 3/25 @ 12:02 am #
Vaccination is sort of an ethos I think, if that makes any sense. What it relies on is what scientists should think of when they needlessly court controversy.
That’s true, The medical community has been wrong about things before, too.
New mothers have been scared to death about making a mistake, and new mothers and pregnant women are the most preached-at group in the country. You can’t step foot in a store or restaurant (or buy a car) in CA without seeing a big notice that dangers lurk inside for pregnant women.
I think Michelle’s made the wrong choice. I also can’t imagine that she doesn’t really want doctors to be able to decide what guidelines their patients must follow .
Michelle may be a bioluddite, but I don’t think it’s fair to brand her with that because of her post.
Comment by McGehee on 3/25 @ 9:53 am #
Seems to coincide with your return.
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