{"id":9120,"date":"2007-05-24T18:30:00","date_gmt":"2007-05-25T01:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=9120"},"modified":"2007-05-24T18:30:00","modified_gmt":"2007-05-25T01:30:00","slug":"theres-no-such-thing-as-free-speech-and-its-not-a-good-thing-too","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=9120","title":{"rendered":"There&#8217;s no such thing as free speech (and it&#8217;s not a good thing, too)"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote>\n<p>Unless there are some facts here that are missing from the news coverage, this prosecution strikes me as a clear and serious constitutional violation. And it is evidence that fears that &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; laws will become &#8220;hate speech&#8221; bans are not implausible.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\nSo argues Eugene Volokh, <a href=\"http:\/\/volokh.com\/posts\/1180029419.shtml\" title=\"referencing\">referencing<\/a> a case in which two 16-year-old high school students have been arrested on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailyherald.com\/news\/mchenrystory.asp?id=315686\" title=\"felony hate crime charges\">felony hate crime charges<\/a> in Illinois for posting fliers with the legend &#8220;God Hates Fags&#8221; and featuring a picture of a two males kissing, one of whom is a fellow student with whom one of the girls had been having a conflict.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAn interesting legal discussion taking place in the comments, with one lawyer noting:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>The whole point of &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; legislation is to stifle speech that is not politically correct. Locking up fundamentalists preachers, or at least denying their churches&#8217; 501(c)(3) status, is soon to follow. The Supreme Court has already held that normal first amendment rights don&#8217;t apply near abortion clinics. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see a similar result here.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8212;while others continue to scoff at the &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; arguments made by those of us who remain convinced that &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; legislation (which Volokh notes are <a href=\"http:\/\/caselaw.lp.findlaw.com\/scripts\/getcase.pl?court=us&amp;vol=508&amp;invol=476\" title=\"\"generally constitutional,\"\">&#8220;generally constitutional,&#8221;<\/a> though bad policy) was merely an important foundational step in a legal and public policy movement to weaken the First Amendment, redefine &#8220;tolerance,&#8221; and move toward a more Euro-centric view of speech protection, a &#8220;progressive&#8221; model that  tends to protect aggrieved groups from offensive speech, rather than protecting unpopular speech that doesn&#8217;t rise to the level of threat from those who may be offended by it.<\/p>\n<p>\nIt is the First Amendment essentially turned on its head&#8212;and the test cases almost always will be drawn from instances where members of some aggrieved group are publicly humiliated by speech that is not (if I&#8217;m understanding the facts of this case) knowingly intended to incite violence.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBesides, libel is generally handled in the civil courts.&nbsp; Here, the girls are being charged with criminal felony for uttering unpopular (and very Phelpsian) speech that  is, potentially, in keeping with their religious beliefs.&nbsp; Which raises a whole other host of first amendment concerns.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWill the ACLU step in here?&nbsp;  Or have they become so politicized and intent on pushing for a particular ideological agenda that they will shrug this off as a matter of local concern?\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBecause having read a recent feministe thread on &#8220;Lookism,&#8221; I fear that we have a large contingency in the US who have been reared on illiberal concepts of speech who would readily accept a complete revision of the First Amendment&#8212;to the point where it becomes its opposite, much like (as I <a href=\"http:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?\/weblog\/entry\/23147\/\" title=\"discussed earlier\">discussed earlier<\/a>) &#8220;patriotism,&#8221; &#8220;tolerance,&#8221; and other terms that have been carefully usurped and re-crafted by those enthralled by an egalitarian agenda that would enforce equality of outcome by policing the discourse that identifies and pressures philosophical difference.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWe are, that is to say, on dangerous ground here.&nbsp; And I wouldn&#8217;t leave it up to the politicians&#8212;who are increasingly dependent on swing voter &#8220;blocs&#8221; (read: identity groups)&#8212;to stand on principle; nor am I comfortable allowing those who found &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; constitutional in the first place to begin contorting and decontextualizing prior anti-speech precedent for fear that they might reach a politically-motivated conclusion that will carry with it the imprimatur of constitutionality.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nCertain slippery slope arguments are, of course, problematic.&nbsp; But remember:&nbsp; it was the anti-smoking crusaders who mocked what they called &#8220;the slippery slope argument&#8221; that a ban on food or &#8220;unhealthy behavior&#8221; would surely follow.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAnd today we have the banning of trans fats, additional taxes on soft drinks, and a New York Mayor who wants to ban incandescent light bulbs.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nTime to get concerned, I&#8217;d say, if you aren&#8217;t already&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n(thanks to Dan C)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Unless there are some facts here that are missing from the news coverage, this prosecution strikes me as a clear and serious constitutional violation. And it is evidence that fears that &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; laws will become &#8220;hate speech&#8221; bans are not implausible. So argues Eugene Volokh, referencing a case in which two 16-year-old high school students have been arrested on felony hate crime charges in Illinois for posting fliers with<\/p>\n<div class=\"belowpost\"><a class=\"btnmore\" href=\"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=9120\">Read More<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":9196393,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9120","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9120","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/9196393"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9120"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9120\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9120"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9120"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9120"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}