{"id":7965,"date":"2006-12-16T03:48:00","date_gmt":"2006-12-16T10:48:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=7965"},"modified":"2006-12-16T03:48:00","modified_gmt":"2006-12-16T10:48:00","slug":"talking-back-to-mass-emails-from-political-magazines-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=7965","title":{"rendered":"Talking back to mass emails from political magazines, 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Received this email just moments ago from the<i> New Republic&#8217;s<\/i> Franklin Foer:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Dear Reader,\n<\/p>\n<p>\nDick Cheney&#8217;s daughter is an open lesbian-and now she is pregnant. Her presence would seem to pose a problem for conservatives. How can they decry gay unions and then fail to decry Mary Cheney&#8217;s lifestyle? In this week&#8217;s<a href=\"http:\/\/lists.tnr.com\/t?ctl=786C:1E621\" title=\" cover story\"> cover story<\/a> Andrew Sullivan explores the conundrum represented by Mary Cheney and then dissects the conservative reaction to her pregnancy. He asks, is the conservative position on homosexuality sustainable? <a href=\"http:\/\/lists.tnr.com\/t?ctl=786F:1E621\" title=\"Subscribe today\">Subscribe today<\/a> for only $9.97 to read this article now. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\nUh, no offense, Franklin, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I know Andrew&#8217;s answer, so I&#8217;m just going to save my ten bucks and respond instead to your email teaser.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nFirst, Dick Cheney&#8217;s having an openly-lesbian daughter didn&#8217;t seem to hurt the Bush reelection bid (though Kerry and Edwards&#8212;tireless champions of the Other&#8212;certainly tried to exploit that fact to hurt Cheney with conservatives).&nbsp; In fact, that the Bush \/ Cheney ticket wound up with more votes than any other presidential duo in US history would seem to indicate that the problem Mary Cheney&#8217;s pregnancy would &#8220;seem to pose&#8221; for conservatives only applies to <i>caricatures <\/i>of conservatives, who&#8212;let&#8217;s be honest, here&#8212;are the spectres Andrew Sullivan now spends the majority of his more lucid moments doing battle with.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nIf, as this teaser insists, Sullivan is truly interested in exploring whether the conservative position on homosexuality is sustainable&#8212;and to be generous, I&#8217;m going to assume we&#8217;re talking about the official Republican position on gay marriage, not some sweeping assumption about a singular &#8220;conservative&#8221; position on homosexuality <i>per se<\/i>&#8212;then the answer is  yes, of course it is sustainable.&nbsp; Which doesn&#8217;t mean the sustainability is <i>determined<\/i>, mind you.&nbsp;  Just that there are a host of reasons for taking a position against gay marriage that have nothing whatever to do with one&#8217;s stance toward homosexuality&#8212;which means that there are a host of objections to gay marriage that are impervious to the kinds of attacks on &#8220;Christianists&#8221; Sullivan favors.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nOr to put it another way, those who oppose gay marriage and who are not, in any sense, homophobes, have no problem sustaining their objections&#8212;<i>even if an openly gay woman like Mary Cheney is pregnant.<\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nFurther, when Foer asks (almost rhetorically), &#8220;how can [conservatives] decry gay unions and then fail to decry Mary Cheney&#8217;s lifestyle,&#8221; the question itself is terribly (and perhaps intentionally) misleading.&nbsp; Because Foer and Sullivan must know that many conservatives don&#8217;t decry gay <i>unions<\/i> unless those gay unions are <i>classified as marriage<\/i>.&nbsp;   Hell, the majority of commenters here <i>support <\/i>gay marriage (I don&#8217;t, but for semantic reasons I&#8217;ve written about on a number of occasions), and Sullivan himself would probably classify my site as a time share for budding neofascists.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nI support civil unions and have no reservations about providing same-sex couples with the same kinds of benefits afforded traditional married couples.&nbsp; And if this is indeed what same-sex couples are agitating for, then there shouldn&#8217;t be a need to have their unions called &#8220;marriage&#8221;&#8212;save that they wish to expand the definition of marriage by force, and against established Western tradition.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nI can&#8217;t see a good reason why this is necessary.&nbsp;  Unless it is the goal of gay marriage proponents to force <i>their <\/i>values on those who hold different values.&nbsp; And just as I respect homosexual couples enough to argue for full benefits in civil unions, I likewise respect those who guard particularly cherished western traditions such as the long-established definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman, whether they do so out of a religious or a cultural impulses.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Received this email just moments ago from the New Republic&#8217;s Franklin Foer: Dear Reader, Dick Cheney&#8217;s daughter is an open lesbian-and now she is pregnant. Her presence would seem to pose a problem for conservatives. How can they decry gay unions and then fail to decry Mary Cheney&#8217;s lifestyle? In this week&#8217;s cover story Andrew Sullivan explores the conundrum represented by Mary Cheney and then dissects the conservative reaction to<\/p>\n<div class=\"belowpost\"><a class=\"btnmore\" href=\"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/?p=7965\">Read More<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":9196393,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7965","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7965","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/9196393"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7965"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7965\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7965"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7965"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/proteinwisdom.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7965"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}