Joe Wilson — who, to my knowledge, has yet to apologize to the American people for attempting to swing the 2004 presidential election with his inflammatory op-ed that a Senate investigation later showed was built around lies, half-truths, and the machinations of his wife in her role as CIA agent — is demanding that President Bush apologize to his family for commuting the sentence of a man caught up in the aftermath of the Wilson/Plame/CIA perfidy. But not before he suggests that the President, too, was involved in some grand conspiracy to hurt the Wilson-Plames. Because really, the whole world revolves around Super Joe:
“By commuting the sentence I think the president raises the real suspicion that he’s party to the obstruction of justice or the cover up of the original crime,” Wilson told CNN television.
The original crime being what, exactly? Fitzgerald, having located the original leaker, evidently concluded that there was no original crime — at least, not under the IIPA or the Espionage Act.
And I’ll say this again, for the thousandth time: that Wilson has the audacity to continue to peddle his victimhood, and that the press refuses to step in and call him on it, is proof positive that the political playing field in this country is slanted decidedly left — and that the mainstream press, far from being disinterested in political outcomes, is actively engaging in an ideological advocacy so transparent that one is actually able to watch its black little heart flutter and beat.
Wilson, who with his wife is suing Libby and other administration officials for exposing his wife’s identity, effectively ending her career, said he still believes Vice President Cheney was behind her outing.
So let me get this straight: Wilson knows that Armitage was the original leaker; yet he is suggesting that the President’s commutation of Libby’s jail time is oblique proof that Bush himself is in on a grand conspiracy to ruin the career of a CIA agent who daily drove to Langley?
Who, exactly, is unwilling to accept the jury verdict — Bush or Wilson?
“They owe my wife and my family an apology for having betrayed her,” he said.
No, Joe. You betrayed her. Or perhaps she betrayed herself. Fact is, only you two know how that really played out — or what the underlying intentions were behind her pulling the strings to get you sent on that fact-finding mission. But it was no secret that Plame was a CIA agent — at least, not in any conventional sense of the meaning of “secret.”
That many on the left (and John McCain, probably) continue to lap up the cynical pap that drips from this guy’s mouth is all the evidence necessary to conclude that these partisan ideologues are beyond caring about the truth — and beyond the kind of shame that comes from embracing someone they know to be both a serial liar and a lazy foreign service bureaucrat — and that they will embrace, at least temporarily, anyone that serves to further their agenda as a way toward achieving their ends: demonize and then marginalize the (fluidly-described) “right wing,” gull the American people (with the aid of a media elite striving to define and reinforce its own narrative), and return the reins of power to their “rightful” guardians, who will commence implementing policies designed to protect the masses from themselves.
Wilson should be apologizing to Libby’s family — and to the families of everyone whose sacrifices he has cheapened in his repulsive desire to become a leftwing martyr and historical big shot.
I am beginning to think that the 2008 election is going to be the most contentious in our lifetime. And I’m now to the point where I will back the candidate I feel will most effectively stand up to the “progressive movement,” which — as Bush has shown — cannot be appeased, and sees any attempt at compromise as a weakness to be exploited.
Win or lose, the time for political pragmatism as an end in itself has passed. We need to back a candidate who is going to push the kind of liberal values this country was founded upon — and fight against any who would happily (and cynically) accept a consensus view of truth, or cater to those who do.
End of rant.
And a fine rant it was. Bravo.
Joe Wilson  who, to my knowledge, has yet to apologize to the American people for attempting to swing the 2004 presidential election with his inflammatory op-ed
It was published in July of 2003! He apparently didn’t know, as a former Republican appointee, how powerful he was in “progressive circles.” Swaying an election 16 months later! That’s some powerful ass prose!
Oh, and I agree with Kelly. It was a fine rant
“The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave,” one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, loosely based on “Bartleby the Scrivener.”
You have to watch out for those gulls. They can sh&t on your head.
timb might want to study up on the word “attempted.”
The attempt failed, largely because Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said.
But it’s not like the Left didn’t widely disseminate Wilson’s bogus charge.
Excellent rant. I thought that 2004 marked the culmination of 4 years of “selected, not elected” vitriol and that future elections would not be so contentious. Apparently I was wrong. In fact, I predict that each successive election for the forseeable future will be uglier than the one before it. What will stop the cycle? I can’t say, although I’ll wager it won’t be one of Amanda’s quiet, philosophical posts.
So, what was timbot saying to me in the other thread about MSM narratives?
A fine trait you’ve got there, tim: utter disingenuousness. Couple that with your proclivity for dissembling and, voila, you’re a caricature of yourself. Bravo.
As expected, timbot completely avoids the substance of the post – that Super Joe Wilson is full of shit.
Ah Bartleby… Ah Humanity!
Have a happy and safe 4th, everyone!
Me? Hoping I run into John and Terraaayza if they ever emerge from their 12,000 sq. ft. pied-a-terre in Sun Valley. I’m dying to ask John how he managed to avoid becoming a hyper-masculinized uber-weenie. Plus, I want to hear about the new decor of Terraaayza’s G-5.
Wish me luck!
Awww, c’mon, Jeff, tell us what you really think.
I do not really see any of the candidates doing as you describe. Possibly Fred. The first to do so will get my support.
Wilson is a fucking tool. I almost threw a pitching wedge at my 65″ plasma when our local news followed the announcemnt of the commutation with excerpts from Wilson’s pathological rantings.
What.A.Tool.
Well, Norman, that would make timbot and Super Joe natural allies, wouldn’t it?
The last several years have not been entirely unproductive. After all, we’ve been shown that “leftism” is a social disease that renders the victim incapable of honesty, dignity, distinguishing right from wrong, and generally reduces the sufferer to a screaming, babbling wreck.
Unfortunately, treatment is tricky, and the sufferer tends to project their symptoms onto others and deny the effects on themselves, thus reducing their incentive to even seek treatment.
Even more unfortunately, they tend to band together in “support groups” that eventually turn into reinforcement mechanisms for the disease, excluding healthy members from the associations. Such groups may be found in most public-service offices and newsrooms.
While some believe that exclusion from mating opportunities is the only opportunity left to control this disease (an almost redundant suggestion, given the sufferer’s tendency toward anti-fertility and anti-child-rearing activities), I both doubt the transmission mechanism guarantees the disease is passed to offspring and hold out hope that a vaccine may one day be found.
Please give generously to the Committee to Research Social Diseases, and within a few generations, we may be able to control this infection.
I didn’t address the body of the post, because it is ground well-traveled and Jeff and I disagree. Do I need to point that again? As for Karl, being a bright guy and all, I expect, since it is July, you can write an op-ed to the NYT to discredit all the Democratic candidates. Requires powerful prose, but you can “attempt” it.
I will also try, because “attempt” can apparently mean anything Jeff says it does.
Jeff,
On Libby, he reminds me of the thick, natty dag on my sheepdog’s hind-quarters. If a coyote is dumb enough to attack his flock, he’ll barrel into the fight fearlessly, knowing that, the coyote’ll only get choking mouthfulls of crusty dred.
If Bush is my Australian shepherd, then Libby is the shit-caked fur now lodged in the Clinton-CIA/Wilson’s mouth. Ack!
And Bush’s commutation of Libby is my dog laughin’ at the gagging ‘yoter and sayin’, “Heh! Take that Mofo!”
Wilson should be apologizing to Libby’s family  and to the families of everyone whose sacrifices he has cheapened in his repulsive desire to become a leftwing martyr and historical big shot.
Really he can not stand that he was and always will be considered “low level”
Among the more amusing aspects to this Libby story are the ever increasingly shrill and hysterical posts by Andrew Sullivan. He is proving to be completely out of his mind, topping even the idiots at Kos with his hyperbole…you can actually envision Sullivan spewing saliva from his mouth as he types away, while noxious gas is coming out the other end. As his former boss, Marty Peretz, has put it, “…the biggest mistake I ever made was hiring Andrew Sullivan.”
It was published in July of 2003! He apparently didn’t know, as a former Republican appointee, how powerful he was in “progressive circles.†Swaying an election 16 months later! That’s some powerful ass prose!
I realize everyone isn’t knowledgeable of all the arcane details, but Mojo JO JO’s mainline to CIA political employees was actually powerful enough to get him signed up on the Democrat nominees presidential campaign before he wrote his fictional OP-ED
LINK
Timb gets spanked so much on his dishonest comments here, that he must have a pillow permanently strapped to his backside.
Portrait of a liberal treasonous guy from the same article: He was lauded by former President George H.W. Bush for “truly inspiring” service as head of the US Embassy in Baghdad during the run-up to the first Gulf War, and he donated $2,000 to the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000.
Pretty sneaky, Joe. Classic sleeper agent
All that time he concealed prose so powerful it could sway an election 16 months later…he should apologize, right after the judge rules on his civil suit. I checked the details at http://www.wilsonsupport.org. Doesn’t look good for the Wilsons in my opinion.
timmah – Do you have an even passing acquaintance with the facts?
By your standards, once a Republican President says something good about someone, they are to be believed always and forever, without question? At some point in time, Wilson appears to have provided effective and valuable service to this country. The only person(s) he is serving now are himself, super double secret covert operative whose name must not be revealed in Who’s Who or anywhere, and the uncritical thinkers that hang on his every word.
You will also note that his affiliation with the Kerry/Edwards campaign began shortly before his NY Times epistle of lies. Interesting coincidence, that.
Also interesting to note that one super double secret covert operative Valerie Plame was so damn intent on keeping her name secret that she donated to the Gore campaign under the name of … drumroll … Valerie Plame.
Not that little things like facts will slow down your drivel. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
timb:
It wasn’t the power of the prose, it was Your Boyz in da Media constantly bringing that dishonest shit up. Hell, they were still yammering incessantly about the “stolen” 2000 election four years later, despite having debunked it themselves through recounts. I mean, hey, you’re still talking about in now, how many months away are we?
No big surprise that Wilson sought position with Bush 1 – and when he wasn’t immediately kicked up the chain, he sought other means for fame and power, bitterly turning on those who didn’t “recognize” his “greatness.”
How much ya wanna bet Super Joe’s friends have to listen to drunken rants about how he was cheated out of opportunities?
c’mon everybody lets do teh timmah cha-cha
a little misdirection to the left
a little ignorance to the right
a few steps back and you contradict yourself around
a little misdirection to the right
a little stupidity to the left (2 times)
lift up your leg, sniff your inner thigh and
you turn yourself around and stick your head up your ass
once again now ….
It takes time for the accusation to snowball into revealed “truth,” and the media and Dems used the Wilson piece to build this “truth” that “Bush Lied” and “manipulated intelligence” in the run-up to the election.
Timing these things is an art, I suppose. And really, using a Republican President’s perfunctory extolling of a public servant as proof that he was some kind of super diplomat? Please.
Bush I was a realist. And I posted on an Atlantic article a week or so back that painted a different picture of Wilson shortly after the Gulf War — portraying him as a man hanging out in jazz clubs and not at all attuned to what was really happening in Iraq. And he was a peripheral figure in the story.
At some point in time, Wilson appears to have provided effective and valuable service to this country.
Not so much – he received praise like any other – he just attempted to parley that into another fictional attribute of once being tight in the GOP fold. It’s utter crap. He had a great time in Baghdad – went to dinner in Saddam’s french arms purchaser air conditioned palace and sang to his friends saxophone in jazz clubs roughly the time Saddam gas ballooned women and children in ditches.
Incidentally – he’s hooked with a pal attempting to do oil deals in Sudan and I guess like sue southern Sudan for 10 Billion.
Get out of my head Jeff!
man timmah took such a brutal beating on this thread, I’m feeling a little sore.
Whats up with CNN bringing on some Schwartzenegger floozie as a rebuttal to Joe Wilson last night? Stupid bink couldn’t take down Anderson Stuuupor’s lefty talking points. 3 points is all you need in these discussions with the fudgie brained – use in order or at random:
1. he wasn’t convicted of outing a covert agent
2. the consititution gives the POTUS the right to commute sentences of (or pardon) ANYONE. Bushco could pardon Khalid Sheikh Mohammed if he wanted. AND THERES NOT A DAMN THING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT
3. the sentence handed down, as argued for by prosection, was commisurate with being convicted for a crime he wasn’t charged with or found guilty of – hence excessive.
(optional) 4. Ha ha ha. Kiss my ass.
talk about missing an opportunity to step on Wilson/CNNs throat.
Actually, JD, Wilson first approached Nicholas Kristof in late April regarding his charges and Kristof published a column citing him anonymously on May 6, 2003. Now, I know it’s difficult to wrap your head around things, but, if he’s trying to make a huge publicity stunt and be famous, why approach a columnist anonymously?
Was it because he was “attempting to influence and election.”
In the end, and this will come as a shock to most of you, you’re wrong about this stuff. I hope the Judge in the civil trial allows the suit to go forward through the executive/sovereign immunity defense offered by the myriad of Bushies named as defendants. To see Joe and Valerie either lose on the merits or win on the merits would be very interesting.
Not that you guys would care, as you’ve shown in your Libby defenses, the rulings of Courts don’t matter much when politics is at stake.
OTT: Why do you think they picked that flunkie? Duh!
So he approached a reporter with his lies, anonymously, before he went for the all-out frontal assault of lies, and that is some type of defense of his actions?
Come on, timmah, aren’t you better than this?
Are you saying he didn’t happen?
It’s a matter of record, JD. Here’s the link. Learn something outside the bubble http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/06/nyt.kristof/
I am not disputing it, fucktard. How does that make his pack of lies any more truthful? How does that change that shortly after he became involved with the Kerry camapign, he went whole hog with his op-ed of BS in the NY Times. Damn, my in-laws, who barely speak English, are considerably easier to talk to than you.
No, that what Wilson claimed is a pack of lies.
When you confront a leftard with reality, it usually manages to blink and carry on with its previous thought.
One wonders if the blink is some sort of optic signal to erase short-term memory or something.
If the erasure doesn’t work, the leftard leaves and moves to another forum or thread, to continue the previous thought. Maybe that gives more time for blinking.
timb, for whom disagreement with the unanimous verdict of the Senate Intelligence Mte and factcheck.org constitutes membership in the reality-based community. We just had no idea how vast the right-wing conspiracy really is.
The other commenters have detailed the timeline of Wilson’s attempts to influence the election, the op-ed included, so I won’t belabor it, other than to respond to this:
The answer, of course, is that he didn’t start out wanting to be a martyr for his cause, or to out his wife and the nepotism that got him the trip in the first place. He wanted to do an anonymous hit job through Kristof. When that didn’t have the public impact he wanted, he ratcheted it up a notch by penning the op-ed himself, leading to the very results he likely feared. So he was then committed, and has to play the self-promoting martyr instead.
GREAT rant.
When that didn’t have the public impact he wanted, he ratcheted it up a notch by penning the op-ed himself, leading to the very results he likely feared.
There is evidence in his book – the most pompous and poorly written piece of crap ever- that he was told that someone was a writing a story and he would be named and Wilson freaked out – it would have been quite a blow to his credibility and massive ego and he would have immediately been dumped from the Kerry campaign.
Karl, you awesome dude you, I used the bookmark on my computer so I could learn ALL about the facts you use when you describe things (from FactCheck…very important website at campaign time) and I like this paragraph
“Contrary to later statements by White House officials, Wilson does not claim that Cheney sent him on the Niger trip, only that he was sent to answer questions from Cheney’s “office.†He also doesn’t claim that Cheney was told of his findings, only that it would be “standard operating procedure†for the CIA to brief Cheney’s office on the results of his mission. (Wilson, “What I didn’t find, New York Times July 6, 2003).”
Seems to me that the only “lies” Joe Wilson ever told re: Niger were about things out of his control, i.e. whether his wife recommended him to her superiors or whether they approached her. Her was right in virtually every other respect: There was no deal for uranium for Niger and the Bushies hyped it as a way to scare the American people. We can add since that time that, according to George Tenet, he had told the NSA that the claims made in the forged document were bogus and Secretary Rice signed off on placing them in the State of the Union anyway.
I have no doubt Mr. Wilson is a publicity hound now. I have no doubt that his work with the Kerry folks (who was not even a front runner for the nomination in May of 2003, but a dude polling in the teens in Iowa) stemmed from his dissatisfaction with the way the Bush administration conducted itself. Many people felt that way, including Richard Clark. I also don’t doubt that people like you will continue to utter slanders upon his name. It’s why I hope for a trial. Like the one that proved I Lewis Libby’s guilt, a judgment one way or the other might help clear the air.
Can you go back and explain how Elliot Abrams didn’t do anything wrong in Iran-Contra. Or, how the former President of US should be in leg irons for lying about an immaterial fact in a grad jury finding, while Libby lying multiple times should be excused, even though his lying stopped cold an investigation.
I NEED the edification.
Ignoring the facts, timb, does not make your argument stronger. Wilson’s “investigation” did find that Iraq had sought yellowcake, not bought yellowcake. There is a fundamental difference.
Libby’s lies stopped an investigation cold? Care to explain how they were able to prosecute him if Fitz did not already know the truth, about Armitage?
Wasn’t there some major discrepancy between what Wilson reported to the CIA, and what he reported to the NYT?
JD, it is seriously not my fault that you unwilling or unable to look at anything beyond the Pajamas Media and Hot Air foxhole. Fitzgerald’s comments with regard to Libby’s lies are not only part of the Court record, but have also been excerpted in the media.
So once again timmy can’t be bothered to back up his assertions.
No, Timmah!, it’s your fault that you can’t answer a simple, direct question in support of the argument you’re making.
Great. Perhaps they would be useful to you in answering JD’s question. And given that they’re so readily available, this should be a piece of cake.
So, given what Libby lied about, and given that Fitzgerald knew it was a lie (as evidenced by Libby’s prosecution), how was Fitz prevented from properly completing an investigation?
timmah – I do not visit Pajamas Media nor Hot Air, unless they are linked to by the people I enjoy reading. I shall patiently await your answers.
Dude, THIS is Pajamas Media. It’s in the top right hand quarter of the screen. I know he’s now just a Pajamas media network blogger, but he’s still in the family.
Meanwhile, for B Moe and Pablo, I refuse to do the work for you. Pablo is on the internet 24 hours a day, commenting on every blog from Darleen’s “I hate Muslims” blog to little Professors who call the darling President weenie. Clearly, he has time on his hands.
B Moe, read anything on Firedoglake regarding the Libby trial, instead of hanging around the comments section trying to be enraged and Ms. Hamshear, who live-blogged the trial for Christ’s sake, can explain it to you.
In the end, it is not my job to show water can boil, the sun sets in the west, or that the Bible is not the literal word of “God”, the facts that modern American life are out there and you can seek them out.
JD asked a question and the information is available, if he WANTED an answer. I was betting then and I am betting that he does not. He wants to live in this right wing world where facts don’t matter if they disrupt the reality. Jeff lives there and has made this a nice vacation spot for JD.
All I’m suggesting, JD, is search the Washington Post. If you tell me (I’ll assume it will be snarkily) that you can’t find it, I will then find it for you and, hell, I’ll go on Westlaw and cut and paste the relevant legal pleadings for you.
As for B Moe and Pablo, the twin Stalinist security guards of PW, kiss my ass.
timb is The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave!
Firedoglake, huh? That is your authoritative source?
timb:
If you quote Jane Hamsher I get to quote Bill Kristol. It’s only fair, idealogue to idealogue.
Oh, and I raise you one Krauthammer…
timmah – You asserted that Libby’s lies stopped the investigation cold. Your assertion, your burden of proof.
If you are using !ane “blackface” Hamsher and firedoglake as your sourcing of objective truth, it is much easier to understand your difficulty in grasping concepts.
timmah – How does one go about proving perjury, without knowing what the truth is?
JD:
Do you think Timmah will call my Krauthammer with a Media Matters and raise me with a Huffington?
This could be fun!
timb – dude THIS is https://www.proteinwisdom.com. If I wanted to click on over to PJM, I would do so. I enjoy a couple of their contributors, namely Jeff and Roger L. Simon.
Equating Hamsher, firedoglake, MM, etc. with Kristol and Krauthammer is like comparing single A baseball to MLB.
Ok, Joe Klein. I’m tryin’ here!
I will take Jonah Goldberg, VDH, PJ O’Rourke, and Jay Nordlinger.
B Moe linked to firedoglake in the Gore post. He is familiar with it. So, JD, busy arguing over the glittering shiny pieces, instead of the substance. Jesus, I hope you get my insurance claim, so you claim in “i” was improperly dotted on page 19.
Did you go to the Washington Post? The Washington Times? The Indianapolis Star? Did you go anywhere?
PS I am aware Jeff lost his contract with Pajamas media, but he is still affiliated and once the traffic picks up, he’ll be back.
Gliitery shiny pieces? You are full of yourself today, huh? You made a claim that is demonstrably false, and I called you on it. I do not need to read a screeching hack like Hamsher to show that you are wrong. In short, your claim that the investigation was stopped cold by Libby is BS. Especially since Fitz knew that Armitage “leaked” or “outed” the triple super secret undercover covert operative that drove through the front gates of Langley every day.
“B Moe linked to firedoglake in the Gore post. He is familiar with it.”
I am familiar enough to know it is a hyper-partisan cesspool of ranting lunatics. I go there strictly for amusement.
“Did you go to the Washington Post? The Washington Times? The Indianapolis Star? Did you go anywhere?”
Just how dense are you timmy? You actually think we are supposed to go research and assemble your argument for you? You made an assertion, we rebutted it and ask you to defend your accusations, and you choose the Rosie response: “Google it”. If Rosie O and Jane Hamster are your inspirations and sources, nobody here is going to really give much of a shit about your opinions. You will still be fun as hell to mock and ridicule, so don’t be a stranger.
Damn, jd, I knew you were too lazy
Fitzgerald’ statements
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf/libby_pjf_statement_070207.pdf?hpid=topnews
Views
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/marcy_wheeler/2007/07/libby_sentence_again.html
The author of a book on the Libby trial
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/07/jeff-lomonaco-p.html
Factcheck.org’s summarization of the events, including times when Dick Cheney told Libby to release the NIE and the possibility that Cheney told Libby to leak
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/07/jeff-lomonaco-p.html
Finally, in the public freakin’ domain for anyone with the brains to type is the sentencing document, wherein Mr. Fitzgerald discusses how the investigation was hindered and stopped by Mr. Libby’s lies. Can I assume you haven’t read it? Start at the beginning, if you want (you might learn something), but page 12 and on is very interesting. Mr. Fitzgerald therein provides substance to his claim that Plame was covert (she was) and that Mr. Libby stopped the investigation.
Afterwards, you can tell me how this Republican appointed prosecutor is just another partisan liar out to get the uber-patriot Libby and the GREAT RICHARD B CHENEY. Or, more likely, you will not read it, because 20 some pages is just too much for you.
Lazy… You could have done this in 10 minutes yourself.
Here’s the link to the sentencing document
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Libby_Sentencing_memo052507.pdf
It is not my job to formulate a position for you, and apparently you cannot form your own, substituting links for thought.
Claims made in the sentencing recommendation are nothing more than assertions. Period. If Fitz had evidence that Cheney had told him to leak the NIE how in the fuck is that relevant to Plame? Nice try.
If Fitz had evidence that she was, in fact, covert, why did he not charge Libby, Cheney, Armitage, Joe Wilson, or Bozo the Clown, with outing her?
Attempting to back up assertions presented as facts, with yet more assertions presented as facts is insufficient.
Lastly, B Moe, no, I had already my research on my arguments, which why I knew them. I’m sorry you’ve got nothing better to do around the trailer than to nitpick in a conversation that does not include you, instead of looking something up. Don’t you have some far right wing Howard Phillips-esque website to visit? I hear Brent Bozell is looking for a beard trimmer.
Lazy? I am many things, but most certainly not lazy. Personally I find linking to your argument lazy. Come up with your own. Give us your viewpoint. Think. Anyone can copy and paste a hyperlink to the WaPo, but if I wanted to know what they think, I would go read them. Do you not know how to formulate an argument with the aid of those inside the beltway?
I’ve just about had it with you. What evidence is good to convince a true believer, jd? I provided statements from the prosecutor himself to back up my claim that HE claimed the investigation was stopped cold.
I can only assume you did not read the 20 pages of the sentencing memo, thus you are arguing in bad faith. For, if you had, you would note Mr. Fiztgerald answered your questions regarding Armitage, Rove, etc. He answered the question of why the investigation continued. I have explained to you many times why those people weren’t charged with leaking Plame’s name. Must we go over it again (especially since that is not relevant to our discussion).
I provided a court filing from the prosecutor, his statement’s to the press, and the link to factcheck.org, a site most partisans (you apparently not included) believe is fair and objective. I provided a link to you of a man who is writing a book on Libby and predicted a month ago that Bush would commute rather than pardon Libby and gave evidence to support his prediction.
All you can say is “It never happened.”
You are as partisan a hack who has ever appeared on the PW. A man who can accept no evidence unless it comes from his tribe. How sad it must be to be that closed minded.
And, I know you’re not a lawyer, but sentencing documents are full of more than claims. They review the evidence, the evidence sussed out in the trial, JD. The only time they make assertions is when they argue or rebut aggravating versus mitigating factors.
In this case, in comments 43 and 52, you asked me where Fitzgerald claimed the investigation stopped cold due to Libby’s lying. I have now told you TWICE and, if the damn thing weren’t in PDF, I copy and paste the whole thing. Face it, I claimed accurately that Fitzgerald said Libby did it and then, when you were too lazy to know for yourself (something in the public domain) I shoved the sentencing document down your throat to show where he said (I GAVE YOU A PAGE NUMBER) and you still say my claim cannot be backed up. Since I have now proved it twice and you refuse to read the link….well, we’re done here.
JD, for the last time, this is about comments you made in 43 and 52 about sourcing. I have now sourced it. Just let it go already. I’d accude of you of moving the goalposts, but for Christ’s sake, I’m pretty sure we’re playing different games. You asked for a fact; I provided it. now, you ask for an opinion, because you’re A BLOG READER who won’t click on links? Jeff must be so proud, ’cause you certainly aren’t going to click on the ad links now either.
Won’t click on the links. I’ll assume either B Moe found something better to do or he did and is now respectfully silent.
Dozing, more likely.
Spokesman Scott Stanzel said Thursday the White House has received a many requests for information since Democrats took control of Congress in January and has turned over 200,000 pages of documents.
“They’ve launched over 300 investigations, had over 350 requests for documents and interviews and they have had over 600 oversight hearings in just about 100 days….”
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070705/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_subpoenas_6)
As with “Libby”, part of the Ken Starr Revenge.
timmah – since he was investigating for over 4 years, I find it incredibly unlikely that his investigation was stopped cold, especially since he knew from the outset that Armitage had leaked. Are you now arguing that because a prosecutor says something in a sentencing recommendation, that it should simply be accepted as true? Maybe I should have asked for evidence or proof, rather than your source. I do not recall reading about how Plames status was proved at trial, yet it made its way into the sentencing recommendation. I do not recall reading where Fitz noted the difference between the CIA’s use of covert and the actual legal definition were different.
You know, I went out of my way to invite you and your family over to my home on the 4th, and now am glad that you never responded. You really can be an ass.
BTW – I am the most partisan? You used firedoglake as a source. Pot, meet kettle.
you silly twit. I never sourced Firedoglake; I said B MOE has BEEN there, linked to it, and should be able to go check it out.
Since you keep going back to “Fitz knew it was Armitage” on multiple occasions, despite the 400 times it has been explained to you that there were THREE leakers. And you KNOW that by now. You know it and you don’t care. Clown, twit, I can’t find the noun that expresses the combination of disgust, contempt, and disappointment I have for you on this issue. I mean, I’d accuse you of being incompetent enough to serve in the Coalition Provisional Authority back in the Spring of 2003, but I think even they had higher standards.
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Don’t know where timmy has been the past couple of days, but it doesn’t seem to have made him any smarter.
You did not “source” it, you just pointed out that Jane “Blackface” Hamsher had written extensively about it, and directed someone to go read it if they wanted to learn.
3 leakers, yet NONE of them committed a crime. Much ado about nothing, huh?
I let my better half read what you have written recently, and she said she was glad you did not come by on the 4th. So much for olive branches.
I’m glad one of you can read
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