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1. Comment by Curious on 11/3 @ 3:28 pm #

   That was sure a bunch of scary “what-if’s.” I wonder when the black helicopters will come for Mr. Fund? Just think, Obama is a ahead by 8 points in a poll today…how weird that the pollsters just happened to poll all the illegal voters too!

2. Comment by CarinRose on 11/3 @ 3:30 pm #

   Curious – you’re right. We definitely shouldn’t be concerned about voter fraud/ false registrations. How about we just throw away all those stupid rules and regulations related to voting.

3. Comment by Curious on 11/3 @ 4:39 pm #

   Carin, if only…Most other democracies don’t seem to need a maze of weird rules, but, I get it, they’re foreigners, so they don’t matter.

   A bunch of election polls (159 or so) are on the record. Wanna bet the election largely subscribes to their predictions? Or, are they fake too.

   Lastly, Mr. Fund, on the editorial immediately preceding the UN taking him to a re-education camp, babbles on incessantly about fake votes, yet we know none of those “fake votes” has changed an election. Nightmares and conspiracies from the 15% percent of us who are left aren’t going to return conservatism to pre-eminence. We need something else, rather than rants from the fever swamp.

4. Comment by Dan Collins on 11/3 @ 4:43 pm #

   We know no such thing, incurious. Did you read the piece?

5. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/3 @ 4:50 pm #

   none of those “fake votes” has changed an election

   Presidential election in 1960. Washington state governor’s race in 2004. Jimmy Carter’s 1962 state Senate race.

   Two of those examples are mentioned in Fund’s article, yet you apparently didn’t see them. Did you even bother to read the article? Or would that have gotten in the way of your repeating your assigned talking points?

   A real conservative (rather than a Moby) would be concerned with the damage even non-decisive fraud does to the institution of voting.

   As for your faith in polls… learn some history.

6. Comment by Curious on 11/3 @ 9:04 pm #

   I read it, gnome boy, I discounted it, since most of the charges are unverified and untrue: the 1960 election was rumored to be fixed, but no one ever proved it, despite demanding recounts in nine states and losing them all. Nixon believed the rumors, but he believed a lot of things that were untrue. It’s become a staple of Republican belief (much like Bush “stole” Florida is a Dem belief) that Illinois was stolen, but no one ever proved it.

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   The article mentions the Washington race by noting that a court found 1600 votes were “most likely illegally cast,” without noting the Court refused to overturn the result or claimed the Court could not determine which candidate the “fraudulent” votes supposedly benefited. Hell, even Wikipedia has this right (and, surprisingly, John Fund does not).

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   The worst is your citing of Carter. The illegal votes were cast AGAINST Carter and he went through the system to show they were fake and claim his seat. Those votes didn’t change the outcome, gnome-y guy, they show the system worked! It also shows that when someone attempts to cheat, they do it through fraudulent vote counting, NOT fraudulent voting.

   Rob, we’re gonna have two years to break the Dem hold in Congress and I suggest if we want that to happen, we stop complaining this election being stolen and start working on a series of reason why Republicans or conservatives should be elected. Ask a Dem after 2000 if that whining helped them win either of the next two elections.

   P.S. I was going to ignore the Truman reference, because of the comically silliness of comparing polling in 1948 to polling in 2008, but geez, I can’t resist. The reason I cited polling, Rob, was to illustrate an Obama victory of 5 points after 160 polls indicated he was up by 5-12 would seem to mitigate AGAINST massive voter fraud, unless, as I alluded, the pollsters just happened to poll all the fraudulent voter too.

   We can be whiny against all odds and proof and allow the Dems to reach the 60 mark in 2010 or we can show what a huge mistake America will make tomorrow. It’s up to people like us. We can reach out and enlarge the party or we can continue to boot the heretics and have the 2012 convention in VFW hall in Tuskegee.

7. Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/4 @ 1:53 am #

   I read it, gnome boy, I discounted it, since most of the charges are unverified and untrue….

   Oh, well, then. So long as you can discount evidence of vote fraud, what’s to worry about, right?

   The reason I cited polling, Rob, was to illustrate an Obama victory of 5 points after 160 polls indicated he was up by 5-12 would seem to mitigate AGAINST massive voter fraud, unless, as I alluded, the pollsters just happened to poll all the fraudulent voter too.

   You’re ignoring the polls that DON’T show an Obama lead that large. But, hey, who the fuck cares if our votes mean anything?

   We can reach out and enlarge the party or we can continue to boot the heretics…

   What the fuck are you talking about?

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