Karl CCed me this morning on an email (unpublished) to Hot Air:
Ed’s post on the Zogby poll sorta echoes the LAT poll analysis in suggesting that the race is tightening because of McCain’s attacks on Obama.
But take a look at the graph of the RCP average.
McCain starts trending upward at the end of June. Obama peaks on the July 4th weekend. At that point in the campaign Obama was still getting much more coverage than McCain. Obama had yet to make his World Tour, so there was no McCain celebrity ad, etc.
That line of attack seems to have helped McCain, who enjoyed a surge at the end of Obama’s World Tour (probably due to free media coverage of his ad about O! snubbing the wounded troops).
But that doesn’t change that the current trend started as far back as July 4th. The MSM is going to want to blame McCain/Republicans for their mean, sophomoric attacks on The One, but it seems at least equally likely that support for Obama started eroding once he rejected public financing, started flip-flopping on a whole range of issues, and trying to polish his image on character issues.
Karl also had this to say about this admonitory piece by Robert Arena today:
Robert Arena is casting pears before swine, even if he’s analyzing a week-old poll, rather than looking at the bigger picture. Key point is his post was the bit about attention is already higher than at any similar point in the cycle since 1992. That, combined with the continuing volatility, tells you neither candidate has really closed the deal.
As a related thought, it could be that (esp. if Obama loses) that people not invested in Teh Narrative will look back at the late June-July period as a period of major blunder for BO. Running around saying “I am too patriotic!” and “Look at me! I can stand next to Sarkozy!” was a lot of time spent highlighting his weaknesses as much as ameliorating them. Smarter folks on the Left will start saying (as one commenter at Americablog did) that BO should have spent the month ripping more pages out of the Clinton ‘92 playbook — It’s the economy stupid, we can’t afford four more years of failed GOP economic policies, etc.ÂÂ
The Clinton ‘92 crew had Message Discipline. You could have asked Bill Clinton if he liked the weather and he would have answered that it wasn’t bad, compared to “the worst economy in the last 50 years.” BO rolled out the McSamey attack rhetoric the other day, but he has had only marginally more message discipline than McCain. BO should have been making McCain seem like the riskier choice every single day. Instead, he’s playing defense, blustering with talk about how McCain does not know what he’s up against, when he’s up against the guy who similarly blustered about the Chicago Way from the Untouchables before he started sliding in the polls.
Any questions? I hope he’ll join us in the comments, but if not, I’ll convey them.
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Comment by thor on 8/20 @ 11:43 pm #
Ask Karl if he’ll accept the call to duty if he’s asked to be O!’s Veep.
The pay isn’t bad.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/20 @ 11:55 pm #
- Hard to say just how much McCains Ads have effected Obama’s ratings. Certainly O’s handlers have set him up for some of the more obvious image problems re his ridiculous campaign stop in Germany. Matter of fact, its questionable that McCain has actually capitalized nearly as much as he might, after all Obama’s Euro tour cold be seen by many as an “in your face” to the American “middle”, as well as typical elitist Euro thinking.
- And then Saddleback was an O}bama disaster.
- Which, I think, speaks more to the point of Obama’s real problem; not so much MKcCains attacks as the fact that he is what he is, zn inexperienced Socialist Junior Senator, who has a cult of personality celeb going, and precious little else.
- As a direct result, as time goes on his positions and ideology will be brought to the front, no matter how hard they try to avoid it, and that I think will continue to depress of his numbers.
- IOW’s its not just McCains attacks, but Obama’s empty wagon of responses he can draw from. I also think thats why hes not taking the offensive and attacking McCain more vigorously. Theres very few areas he can be aggressive on without revealing more and more of his hard Leftist positions.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 12:40 am #
In my dumb and dumber Right-wing-crank fantasy draft, I’ve got Karl going in rounds five through ten.
You’re a legitimate number one in every league, BBH.
Comment by Jake on 8/21 @ 1:12 am #
Karl, quit blogging by proxy and get in here.. Oh, and thanks for the tip on Mad Men.. I’m addicted..
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 1:16 am #
Obama has never been in a real campaign before, at any level. He got all his opponents DQed in the state senate race, and the Republicans self-destructed in the US Senate race. He is effectively making his rookie campaign run for President of the United States. To say he is out of his league right now is the Mother of All Understatements, and it is no going to get any prettier as the campaign heats up. I don’t think the kid has a chance.
Comment by bergerbilder on 8/21 @ 2:14 am #
The Kid can’t even tell a 7-year-old why he wants to be president. It’s almost like he’s never even had to prepare for a job interview.
Comment by Blitz on 8/21 @ 2:32 am #
Shutup Thor.
Comment by Blitz on 8/21 @ 2:37 am #
Dan, I’m assuming that Karl allowed you to post that, so is it possible that you’d be able to convince him to either post here, or to post the political at claudepate? I miss the dude.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 2:45 am #
Once Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac crack like limestone foundations, I think maybe Americans will want a fresh, honest outsider at the helm instead of watching re-runs of Dem-retards and autistic Rebups foodfight with our goddamned money.
Voting O! is also a voting for forcing a big black dick into the orgy of snake-mean Christians Rigthies and pig-hearted hypocritical liberals.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/21 @ 2:51 am #
I miss him too. I am dumber for his goneness. What I think is that McCain is an I while Baracky is a we, cause Baracky can’t do I without feeding into perceptions of arrogance and inexperience. I’s are inherently more presidential. We’s are inherently kind of creepy.
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 2:59 am #
thor learned everything he knows about politics watching Saturday morning cartoons.
And porn.
Comment by Blitz on 8/21 @ 3:08 am #
Happy? How the bloody hell do you do that? You just put in a very few words a thought that would have taken me a half hour to convey…Thanks though.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 3:12 am #
KK must be deranged. A R-wing word-poofer turning down a blogging gig at this site is like a pimp losing money in Bangkok. It’s not typical, that’s for sure.
C’mon KK, come on back and pretend you’re the voice of the frustrated common guy, the unwashed moaning masses, the fucked-over conservative’s last Oracle. Collins will start singing “Come on Eileen,” some hippy chick will email me an offer for a half-priced hand-job, Jeff will cure various diseases within counter-culture and JD will finally un-cling himself from empty denouncements. It’ll feel right again, maybe.
Haven’t you tired of target practicing with my picture? How many times can one imagine they’re pumping rounds into my liver? Take off the ski mask and set your gun down and pound those keys until ya blister.
What would Condi do? Ask yourself that.
Comment by geoffb on 8/21 @ 3:20 am #
Blitz,
That’s the happyfeet dance. A PW pleasure, like an old soft shoe.
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 3:27 am #
<creeps up behind Thor with duct tape and a baseball bat>
Comment by SarahW on 8/21 @ 3:45 am #
::steps in front of Thor an opens door to steep basement stairs very wide::
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 4:01 am #
It’s God’s fault I’m a swinging asshole, the whole children as image and likeness thing is in the Bible. Right there!
I just don’t buy the wholesale Repubs are better than the Dems BS. It’s like the difference in a cat shit milkshake and a dog shit milkshake.
Comment by Ric Locke on 8/21 @ 4:45 am #
SO THE FUCK WHAT?
Thor, you make an absolutely perfect metaphor for the whole damned Obama campaign. Every time anybody even approaches any sort of analysis, you start spraying shit around. By now it’s fairly clear, and getting clearer, that this is a wounded-pheasant trick — there is no substance to analyze, so your job is to make sure no analysis gets done. Which is exactly what O! and his handlers do.
Be warned: it’s starting to backfire. Every time you post on the subject, and just about every time the Obama campaign makes a public comment, it comes down to NO WE CAN’T TALK ABOUT THAT!!! IT’S IRRELEVANT1111!!!! HE’S BLACK AND HAS A BIG DICK!!!!!!!!11111ELEVENTY1111!!!!
There are a few of us who think a President ought to be more than a dick, regardless of size, color, and presence/absence of foreskin.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 4:45 am #
“It’s like the difference in a cat shit milkshake and a dog shit milkshake.”
- Yeh. The first is just a dash of thor, the second is a whole cupful.
- You’ve got that right thor.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 4:54 am #
- Ric, the whole Obama thing is a Macrocosm of the entire Progressive movement. “We got no debate ammo, so go to the trash talk full bore ’til everyone gets disgusted or bored and goes home.”
- Works pretty good in dickie wagging contests in the ‘hood. Presidential elections. Not so much.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 5:44 am #
I won’t be a “winner” if I vote for Obama, eh Ric.
So what’s your team stand for again? High flying B-52’s and low flying A-10’s, the death penalty for anyone who sticks their hand too far up a 16-year-old girl’s skirt, Newt Gingrich autographed Bibles, kneecapping Jesus-haters, the free-flow of goods from the industrial slave state called China, a Patriot Act version 2.6 with a soon to be announced Patton Act beta release and a parade where red-white-and-blue balloons fill the sky?
You don’t mind if I just sit here and watch, do ya?
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 6:08 am #
“You don’t mind if I just sit here and watch, do ya?”
- That would tax the limit of your common sense thor. and you might even survive past stick-it-to the-man hood.
- But I doubt it. When the shortarmed head between your legs does your thinking its pretty tough to suck it up and grow up.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 6:24 am #
Well, at least the head between my legs doesn’t stand in impotent rage and piss in the face of the spouse of a candidate, doesn’t leave a steamer on the middle pew of his church, doesn’t point and mock his children and economically disadvantaged estranged relatives.
I’m all about class warfare.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 6:33 am #
- thor, from months of your immature pugnacious comments theres no evidence you even have that much class.
Comment by Pablo on 8/21 @ 9:00 am #
True. That’s your mouth, not your dick, dirtbag.
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 9:33 am #
thor crocker: LEAVE BARRACKY ALONE!!!!!!!
Comment by alppuccino on 8/21 @ 11:26 am #
So Huckabubble is doing the rounds saying “I don’t think McCain should pick Romney because he’s flipped on so many issues. But it’s not because he attacked me during the primaries, mind you. That’s not the reason.”
Then he gets on the news and says, “Obama is too thin-skinned. He whines about being attacked.”
If Huckagobblechin really wanted to help, he’d let the RNC stick a helium hose up his bunghole – inflate until all loose skin has been stretched to maximum tautness, and paint a big McCain/Romney between his nipples and float him over Denver next week.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to type the 62 Captca characters.
Comment by Dan Collins on 8/21 @ 11:45 am #
You may disagree or not with what Karl says, substantively, in this post, thor. He’s as hard on how McCain’s campaign is performing as he is on Obama’s.
You don’t have to read what Karl says, if he has me post anything. Apparently, some people on the site have an appetite to read what he writes.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 12:19 pm #
- You know Dan, I just have to ask. Who the fuck cares what thor thinks, one way or the other. A lot of regulars are still puzzled as to just why a piss ant troll is still here, while Karl is not.
- Now you’re giving him explanations on what you’re doing?
- I haven’t weighed in on this back room dustup til now, but I have to ask wtf is going on?
- Tell you what, this keeps up, and you can post for thor.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 12:21 pm #
Honestly, with all the poll-stuff coming in hot and strong, we need Karl back.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/21 @ 12:50 pm #
Blatantly ignoring thor’s !O! misdirection thread jacking here’s what I wrote Karl when he E-Mailed me his tip to Hotair, after he replied that Obama took his eye off of the ball when he wandered around Europe and the ME while ignoring the economy (a mistake, Karl wrote, that Clinton never would have made in ‘92.):
Don’t let the demi-god of thunder distract you. thor knows that Obama is wrong on this issue yet continues to pine for !Change! as an all purpose salve to heal the leaking blisters of partisanship and incompetence. It’s too early to say whether or not the economy will help or hurt Obama or McCain but for The One, that in and of itself trumpets trouble in paradise.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 3:25 pm #
Aren’t I, in my own way, joining the R-wing cretin throng in asking for Karl’s return?
Maybe my message gets lost in my “immature, pugnacious” commentary style. It’s BBH’s fault. How am I supposed resist stomping out that burning bag of clown turds? He’s a boot magnet! How long, I ask, does one have to sit on a frozen hotdog before they have no clue it’s their own political party throttling their ass? From 2000 to 2005 DelayCo, LottCo and BushCo added $3-trillion dollars to our national debt. And they borrowed that mountain of money without the decency to close the southern border, or shoring up SS, or improving the prospects for working Americans without health insurance, not even a right hand reach around for the working man!
My patience is limited with such people as BBH. He needs to be silenced! Made to stare into a blast furnace! Arf! Kidding. Like Karl, he’s sort’a fun too.
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 4:05 pm #
Try calling on all that courage you claim to have.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/21 @ 4:07 pm #
Jeez. Who do you think you are? Freddie Prinze Jr.? You are so not Freddie Prinze Jr.
Comment by happyfeet on 8/21 @ 4:08 pm #
oh. That was for thor’s benefit not for McGehee. I’m gonna have NG’s leftover sammich for breakfast now.
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 4:11 pm #
No harm, no foul, happy. Besides, I think I’m Jack Albertson Jr.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 4:12 pm #
And Obama’s plan to deal with the debt? His tax plan alone will add 3.4 trillion to our debt by 2018. Link.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 4:43 pm #
At least Obama’s plan borrows for the benefit of the needy and the working man and not Blackwater or Iowa’s corn farming corporations.
Adn that you attack Obama for the things he hasn’t done instead of the guilty as charged that today request your vote so as to continue their work on behalf of condo developers, at-cost contractors and yet-to-be indicted CEO’s. A line straight out of Marie Antoinette’s repertoire comes to mind. And it’s stunning how incompetent fuck-ups can earn such loyalty.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 4:52 pm #
You know, you can take your class warfare shit and shove it up your ass. I mean, that’s about how interested I am in that sort of discussion.
Too many of “the needy” are perfectly happy to suck on the tit of the government for their entire fucking lives. Whole generations who never work. People who BS workman’s comp, or claim drug dependency as a disability.
Did you know that in the upper parts of Michigan, the entire TOWNS go on unemployment because they only jobs they EVER have is during the summer months. There isn’t a plan to change things. They’re perfectly happy to be unemployed for 8 months of the year.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 4:54 pm #
LIfe is hard. It’s especially hard for stupid people. My dad has a lady who helps him clean his room (he’s handicapped) once a week. Or, it’s supposed to be once a week. She often just doesn’t feel like coming. She didn’t come for a few weeks because she was in JAIL.
Yet, she doesn’t have a pot to piss in, and is in constant money trouble.
Wonder why?
Oh, I know, because Bush hates poor people.
Comment by Sdferr on 8/21 @ 4:58 pm #
What? Not for the benefit of Illinois corn farming corporations? Baracky’s clammy hands are all over subsidies for grain alcohol producers.
NYTimes, June 23, 2008:
” …“We made a series of mistakes by not adopting a sustainable energy policy, one of which is the subsidies for corn ethanol, which I warned in Iowa were going to destroy the market†and contribute to inflation, Mr. McCain said this month in an interview with a Brazilian newspaper, O Estado de São Paulo. “Besides, it is wrong,†he added, to tax Brazilian-made sugar cane ethanol, “which is much more efficient than corn ethanol.â€Â
Mr. Obama, in contrast, favors the subsidies, some of which end up in the hands of the same oil companies he says should be subjected to a windfall profits tax. In the name of helping the United States build “energy independence,†he also supports the tariff, which some economists say may well be illegal under the World Trade Organization’s rules but which his advisers say is not. …”
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 4:58 pm #
Poor people suck! We should make ‘em stock the shelves at WalMart for a living. Fuckin’ retards! Poets! All of ‘em!
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 5:04 pm #
Yea, that works except I didn’t come from a rich family. Student loans put me through college. I bartended at nights. Hubby went to college on the GI bill.
That’s one of the great things about the US. You can be dirt poor as a child, but you don’t HAVE to be as an adult. You may have to work hard and sacrifice. It may take years. You may have to take a job you don’t care for.
But, you don’t have to be poor.
Let me take you on a drive through the hood. We’ll count the satellite dishes on all the houses. Well, see a shit-load of young kids with cell phones. Well, see young men w/o a pot to piss in, but spinners on their doped-up cars.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 5:07 pm #
Of course, poor people don’t end up that way because they made HORRIBLE decisions. Didn’t work hard at school because they were going to be a 1) rap artist 2) basketball start 3)football star. Or dropped out because they got knocked-up at 15 and went on public assistance. No, it’s ’cause the man was keeping him down.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
Comment by poppa india on 8/21 @ 5:08 pm #
If Obama’s elected, she’ll be there every week, because that will change everything. Plus O! will get the Dems to crack down on illegal immigrants,change Social Security, and make terrorists cease&desist, none of which the Democratic controlled congress has bothered to try to do in the last year or so.
Comment by SarahW on 8/21 @ 5:09 pm #
And BTW, no one mocked Obamas economically disadvantaged estranged relatives. They mocked Obama for essentially acting like he didn’t exist, leaving brother to flail around in Kenya, when he was prosperous and an in a position to see after his own.
Because he sort of claims to stand for something else.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 5:11 pm #
Do yourself a rubber-necking drive through West Virginia or Arkansas.
Poverty ain’t colorblind, Missy.
Comment by poppa india on 8/21 @ 5:19 pm #
Don’t you mean poverty IS colorblind? ‘Cause is always seemed that way to me.
Comment by poppa india on 8/21 @ 5:19 pm #
it, not is
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 5:20 pm #
He stands for something! Change you can believe in! Hope!
It’s more like “Hope” in the unknown has to be better than the dedicated thieves and intern-chasing perverts that sit in the House and Senate. And hey, how about his swag! Like Reagan, he looks the part at least.
Wait until McCain picks Leiberman as his Veep. Inserting the plunger! That’s what they call that.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 5:21 pm #
Yes, I did. Thanks!
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 5:34 pm #
What?! That is quite a revelation. WHITE people are poor? I’m gonna have to sit and absorb this for a moment.
Ok. All set now.
What made you think I thought poverty was colorblind? The majority of my personal experience is with inner-city poverty (which largely is black), but I currently reside in one of the poorest counties in the state, which is mostly white. White people fail as a result of poor choices as well. Perhaps different choices, perhaps the same. Lack of planing. Lack of ambition. An inability to work hard.
Occasionally, very occasionally, do you run across someone who has just met a shit-load of hard knocks. But, it’s the minority.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 5:54 pm #
An inability to be Brittney Spears, you forgot that one.
You need to quit judging people by the coins in there pocket. I’m going to ignore the pain it causes and listen to some John Cougar Mellencamp now. I’m in need of a family farm anthem.
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 5:59 pm #
Do yourself a rubber-necking drive through West Virginia or Arkansas.
Born and raised in West Virginia, thor. I got tired of trying to find work so I moved.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 6:04 pm #
I certainly don’t judge by coin. But, when you bring up class welfare bs – which by implication means that the poor need more coin, than I’m going to address why they may be lacking in the funds department.
And, I’m going to assume we’re talking about POOR people. People who constantly have utilities shut off. People who are unable to make do with what they take in.
I know plenty of people who may classify as “poor” but certainly don’t fit the bill, and don’t consider themselves poor.
And, John Mellencamp gives me hives.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 6:19 pm #
You just don’t like the color pink!
You’re starting to contradict yourself. Poor is poor, mathematically speaking. Take Michael Phelps’ momma, she’s poor because she don’t plan good, don’t work hard and ain’t got her no ambition.
John’s the Cherry Bomb.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/21 @ 6:22 pm #
And when Obama is elected all of those “thieves and intern-chasing perverts” will either be magically defeated or will be blinded by the hope light, give back all of their ill gotten gains and entitlements, balance the budget, feed the poor and volunteer one day per week to collectively fart at the DC wind turbine. FOR THE CHILDRENSES.
Do the pink unicorns speak Russian in your world, thor? If so, so you bang them?
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 6:24 pm #
You’re starting to contradict yourself. Poor is poor, mathematically speaking.
Not true. Someone can make $10 an hour, share a flat with a few friends, not run up their credit cards, and live a rather rich life. A buddy of mine is married with three children and her husband makes a very modest salary. She buys food in bulk and at a coop. She rents small apartment. They drive one car. She makes a LOT of sacrifices. She wouldn’t say she was poor. She scrimps and saves so they can do stuff.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 6:27 pm #
I believe McCain’s message is similar is it not?
Maybe that’s why I have an affinity for both. At least they mouth the words I want to hear, and that’s better than the other way around, ya corporate America butt-smoocher.
First we kill the lobbyists!
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 6:31 pm #
Thor would have benefited from having somebody around when he was little, who lived by the maxim, “I may always be broke but I refuse to be poor.”
I sure did.
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 6:34 pm #
George Obama is poor. Americans living near the “poverty line”, not so much.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 6:36 pm #
So as long as you deny you’re poor, make sacrifices like a good poor people smartly should, it makes you less poor, changes the math!
Do you know how many 50-year-old people (white sacrificial lambs of God) are walking around with less than $50K in their 401 (K)’s (thank you P-Blo) and just beginning to realize they’ll die like poor working slaves strapped to flickering flat screens in their cubicles?
Weezus is on the bottom, Wilma, not even a Bushian tax cut gonna afford us a retirement condo in Boca.
Comment by B Moe on 8/21 @ 6:44 pm #
Do you know how many 50-year-old people (white sacrificial lambs of God) are walking around with less than $50K in their 401 (K)’s (thank you P-Blo) and just beginning to realize they’ll die like poor working slaves strapped to flickering flat screens in their cubicles?
Yeah, thor, I am one of them. Just turned 50 and have about half that in a 401k, and there ain’t a damn soul to blame for it but me. How do you figure that because I have spent the last 30 years drinking and smoking and snorting up my life savings I suddenly have to right to plunder the savings of folks who have lived responsibly?
Comment by maggie katzen on 8/21 @ 6:50 pm #
but.. but… that’s what Social Security is for.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 6:51 pm #
- thor, no matter what your ideological masters tell you, you can’t change reality through sheer force of will, nor by repeating the same shop worn lies, mis-characterizations, half truths, and off the mark bromides. Life doesn’t work that way, no matter how much you may wish it were so.
- People here, who seem to have the patience to help you change your diapers, are telling you something for free. But you’re to stupid or delusional to listen.
- I doubt you’ll survive to middle age.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 6:52 pm #
Well, Gee, Thor. Yes I do. One of them (my handicapped father) is living with me. No life savings. Never had a plan. I guess he was gonna win the lotto one day? He gets a small check for disability, but we pay for just about everything.
Wanna lecture me some more?
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 6:57 pm #
Yes.
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 6:59 pm #
Go ahead and try.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/21 @ 7:01 pm #
- Don’t waste your time with thor Carin.
- thor is a “chicken potato”. Thats a couch potato that sits on his ass all day and blames all of his and the worlds problems on the “mysterious men” in the day-glo heliocopters.
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 7:06 pm #
“Poor” isn’t about numbers. It’s about identity. The “poor” were the first victim-identity group in the history of Western civilization, and were the target of the first populist-pandering political movement.
But since we’re not supposed to call O! Marxist, I won’t say which movement.
Comment by thor on 8/21 @ 7:11 pm #
He’s in a protected minority group, disabled, and poor. Not like those dum-dums in the ghetto though.
I’m sure you and he are very nice people when you’re not wingering at the ghetto folk. Nice discussing interpretive ideologies with you. I must go now and scold people who look different than me.
Comment by Gustalpho on 8/21 @ 8:16 pm #
Yeah, I remember that Commie jerk saying “if you want to follow me, sell all your stuff” and “rich dudes store their riches here and not in the Kingdom of Heaven” and “rich guys getting into the afterlife is like a camel throught he eye of a needle” and “money is the root of all evil” I hate that Marxist and his pandering to the “first identity group.”
Similarly, I note the irony of arguing Obama should be helping out with his family coupled with the accusation that the millionaire is some sort of Marxist. Apparently, your moral judgment is that he is a prick for not giving away his money and he is also a prick because you think he will take yours. Wow.
Comment by SarahW on 8/21 @ 8:31 pm #
No, he’s a prick for telling me I must give away my money, without being willing to do so himself, for his own flesh and blood, no less.
Comment by McGehee on 8/21 @ 8:31 pm #
When you give freely of yourself or of your own, that’s Christian charity.
When you demand that the government take it away from others to give it to you, that’s Marxism.
Whwn you claim Jesus was a Marxist, that’s just plain stupid.
Comment by BJTexs on 8/21 @ 8:54 pm #
Gustalpho: Your ignorance of Jesus, money and morality is stunning but not unexpected.
You would have a better understanding if you hadn’t truncated several of the verses so let me give you the proper verse and context (all emphasis mine):
1) 1Timothy 6:10: “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”
This may be the most misquoted verse in the bible. Of course money/riches in and of themselves are not inherently evil. only if the individual loves money and places it as the cornerstone of his life before God or man does evil become apparent. Strike one.
2) Matthew 19″ 19-23: “Jesus replied, ” ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
20″All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Again the decision to love his money so much that he wouldn’t give it up to follow Jesus to be “perfect” weighed against him. His wealth in and of itself is not his downfall. His desperate need to hang on to it is the problem. Strike Two.
3) Luke 18:22-27: “22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
27Jesus replied, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.”
Trust in God more than wealth and the riches of heaven are yours. Strike Three
Nowhere in any of those passages (nor elsewhere in the New Testament) do you find Jesus talking about the forced redistribution of wealth by a government entity to the poor. Ya see, he was all about the pureness of heart in giving rather than pointing and demanding coin for someone else’s idea of charity. “Render unto Caesar” was not a carte blanche demand for rich people to give up wealth. Thus using Jesus as a justification for Marxist/Socialist organized redistribution to the poor is completely at odds with scripture and, Jesus’ teachings.
Thanks for playing and buh-bye, now!
Comment by Carin on 8/21 @ 9:42 pm #
Apparently, your moral judgment is that he is a prick for not giving away his money and he is also a prick because you think he will take yours. Wow.
Actually … you are kind of correct there.
He’s in a protected minority group, disabled, and poor. Not like those dum-dums in the ghetto though.
I’m sure you and he are very nice people when you’re not wingering at the ghetto folk. Nice discussing interpretive ideologies with you. I must go now and scold people who look different than
You really are an asshole. What I was illustrating was that my dad didn’t have a plan, so I’m HELPING HIM OUT. Not anyone else. Not the g’vment. Not O! When my sister needed help, we helped HER out. My bil called and needed help too. I’m thinking of changing my phone number.
But, I do know for sure that “I” can help my family members with a shit-load more efficiency than the gov’ment.
As for your opinion of me, and how I feel about the poor – well, you have no idea. I’ve volunteered at the soup kitchen. I’ve supported church drives to cloth the needy. What have you done? I criticize because I think our social service structure creates MORE needy and it sucks to live off the tit of the more productive members of society. I want MORE for them.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/21 @ 11:17 pm #
Excellent job, BJ. Bravo. The fact that people such as gus try and use that tack and always get stomped in return. No, gus, Jesus wasn’t advocating for the forced redistribution of wealth. You lose this round.
Comment by Blitz on 8/22 @ 1:57 am #
# 69 BBH.
I see Thor more as a CHICKEN. He cannot make a rational argument as to why we should vote for O(no)! He cannot expound on any of his O!nesses ideas and is incapable of carrying on an argument without resorting to either childish taunts or physical (non) threats.
I’d be willing to put serious money that his Russian girlfriend? comes from an LL thing I ran into years ago in a newsgroup…do not google if you value your computer or your freedom.
I say ‘chicken’ because I really think his hammerness is a scared little puppy, hiding behind intellect (which I admit he has) and a wall of anonymity.
Thor? If you’re reading this? Do us all a favor…Go away. You’re not well received here. If you can’t fathom that? Seek proffesional help, as you could be a megolomaniac.