Yesterday, the boss touched on the O’Reilly ‘racist’ kerfuffle. There’s also another “controversy” over Rush Limbaugh, in a segment with a caller, using the term phony soldiers – also snipped out of context because four remarks later, still in conversation with the same caller, Limbaugh discusses “fake soldiers” like “Jesse Macbeth”.
At a lower profile is the troubling story of Rutgers’ English Professor William Dowling. The good Professor has been a thorn in the administration’s side for some time and has recently published a book
For more than a decade at Rutgers, Dr. Dowling has stood as an idealistic absolutist, an intellectual convinced that the thunder of big-time athletics was crumbling the ivory tower of academe.He has been the conscience, the Cassandra, the crank, the nag, the pain, infuriating opponents and, at times, exasperating allies. Enough years of being the whistle-blower, after all, can make even a tuneful musician sound shrill.
But now, just as Rutgers’s recent triumphs in football and basketball might seem to have justified the university’s investment of tens of millions of dollars, Dr. Dowling has answered in his own subversive way. His memoir of the decade-long campaign against high-stakes athletics at Rutgers, “Confessions of a Spoilsport,†has just been published by Penn State University Press. It is his valediction, and its tone, far from mournful, is defiant.
Bureaucracies don’t take kindly to gadflies. Especially if such gadfly is challenging the program that puts butts in the stadium seats and new buildings, suitably dedicated, on campus.
“I wanted this book to be a monument,†Dr. Dowling, 62, said after class. “I wanted it to be a monument to the kids and the faculty who rallied around this issue. We tried to take on the monster of commercialized sports, even if it swallowed us up and passed us out the other end. Someone should know that we fought the good fight. And because I believe in literature as a form of symbolic action, I want readers to see the possibility of another way. Think about the impact of a book like ‘Uncle Tom’s Cabin’ on slavery.
â€ÂNaturally, Dr. Dowling’s thesis has many detractors, particularly of late.
This is where the fun starts. The article on Dr. Dowling concludes with the following short paragraphs:
Dartmouth also instilled in Dr. Dowling an appreciation for what he calls now “participatory sports† sports without scholarships, separate dorms, team tutors, product endorsements, television contracts, reduced admissions standards, easy classes and so many other tropes of Division I-A sports.
Rutgers, in turn, provided a striking example of before and after. For more than 100 years after playing Princeton in the first intercollegiate football game in 1869, Rutgers had competed against schools like Lafayette and Colgate with which it shared academic standards. Then, in 1991, Rutgers joined the Big East Conference, making it a peer of ethically challenged football factories like Miami.
Dr. Dowling grew convinced that the shift was degrading the caliber of students, indeed the entire communal culture. A self-proclaimed “academic traditionalist†who doesn’t drive and still thinks Bob Dylan betrayed folk music by going electric, he became the hub of RU1000. And while he enjoyed teaching many members of the track, swimming and crew teams in his courses, he vociferously resisted the notion that athletic scholarships offered opportunity to low-income, minority students.
“If you were giving the scholarship to an intellectually brilliant kid who happens to play a sport, that’s fine,†he said. “But they give it to a functional illiterate who can’t read a cereal box, and then make him spend 50 hours a week on physical skills. That’s not opportunity. If you want to give financial help to minorities, go find the ones who are at the library after school.â€Â
It is that last quote, now taken out of context and unmoored from the utterer’s intention that has the Rutgers’ administration engaging in public character assassination of Dr. Dowling.
Weapon of choice? The charge of racism
Rutgers Athletic Director Bob Mulcahy told local newspapers that Dowling’s comment was “a blatantly racist statement.”
In a statement released by the university, Rutgers President Richard McCormick called it “inaccurate and inhumane.”
“It also has a racist implication that has no place whatsoever in our civil discourse,” McCormick said in the statement.
To his credit, Dr. Dowling isn’t backing down
Dowling defended his statement, saying that Mulcahy and McCormick had taken it out of context, that he was directly answering a question related to minorities.”
If someone has a way to answer that question without mentioning race, I would like to hear it,” said Dowling, who called the officials’ accusation of racism the “cheapest rhetorical ploy I’ve ever heard.”
Maybe Dr. Dowling has spent a little too much time in his ivory tower. This particular cheap, rhetorical ploy is beloved of “movement builders”.
Both O’Reilly and Limbaugh will survive. As long as O’Reilly and Limbaugh bring in the audiences, they’ll be having their say each and every day and they can wrest the narrative back.
What is worrisome is the vagaries of faculty fortunes rarely make the news. Rutgers’ cynical use of the racist card against Dr. Dowling has already been picked up and spread by others invested in one way or another in slapping down someone who doesn’t play well with the university’s investment.
William Dowling, a Rutgers English professor, was once leader of the “Rutgers 1000.” Its goal was to have the school de-emphasize sports. Suffice to say he’s not a fan of the new-and-improved football team. [...]
Dowling should Google Don Imus, who lost his talk-radio job last spring after making disparaging racial comments about the Rutgers women’s basketball team.
Larry Summers’ has come to the realization he is now judged not for his work, words or even character but he is a “symbol” of “gender and racial prejudice”. Now Dr. Dowling is being touted as the new Don Imus.
Dowling’s remarks were thought on a level next to Imus, who called the women’s basketball team a group of “nappy-headed ho’s.” [...]
“Imus was making a joke. What got him fired was referring to nine specific women,” said a faculty member, who did not want to be identified. “Dowling’s remarks were much more racist, but he didn’t attack specific people.”
This is bunk, of course. Mulcahy and McCormick have defended the overarching narrative that individuals of pallor may never comment, criticize or hold The Other to any standard by slandering Dr. Dowling to the press.
The irony of the explicit bigotry of such a narrative is lost on people like Mulcahy and McCormick but, hey, gotta keep the endorsement dollars rolling in and if many of the athletes never graduate or get a degree that qualifies them for an assistant sales manager at the local Kia Dealership (to be trotted out to greet and impress the customers) at least they tried to help. Right?
Comment by SteveG on 9/29 @ 11:07 pm #
Ah
Redefining what racist means.
After all, the Professor did use the words minority and illiterate in the same sentence, a feat he seems to think some of the football squad could not accomplish without a tutor.
Professors like him are probably more comfortable teaching at a school with D-III athletics, but the guy seems like a relatively harmless academic elitist.
Word to football players…. don’t schedule him for a class.
Next word
Tenure.
Anyway, the guy may actually be a racist, but these statements just show he is not big on D-I style athletics.
D-I athletics, academics and minorities have always had an uneasy alliance. Are young minority athletes being prepared for life after football, or just football?
Will the professor get on board and offer a class entitled “Hip hop lyrics: What would be on Rosa Park’s iPod? The class where jocks get an “A” for listening to music on the plane to an away game?
I took a class called “Sports Literature” where I got an “A” for reading the Sports section.
A couple guys on the Baseball team got an “A” even though they didn’t know that the “Lady Bruins” was a term sometimes used by LA sportswriters to describe the female teams at UCLA. I don’t think they could spell “bruin” right even if the test was multiple choice.
Not that they were completely dumb, it was just that it wasn’t required that they really know, so they didn’t care.
Of course this drove the academics insane.
Which made it all worth it.
Comment by wishbone on 9/29 @ 11:12 pm #
Darleen,
I know where your heart lies in this–and the racism card is a cheap one.
However, Dr. Dowling and his great crusade against sports is misguided. For every instance of an athletic program that does not take the “student” in student-athlete seriously, I can cite you another that does. In many ways, these sorts of efforts mirror the “don’t go to the moon until poverty is eliminated” mantra as if a one-to-one correlation exists between the two efforts.
The racism charge is bogus. But if I were to offer an interesting parallel, many of the critics of collegiate sports spout the same type and level of angry rhetoric coming from those who question the value of military service.
Just an observation.
P.S.: One college basketball coach put it best when questioned about his program’s graduation rate: “All our players who want to graduate do.”
Comment by Ric Caric on 9/29 @ 11:33 pm #
Darlene doesn’t get narratives. The broad “narrative” of O’Reilly and Limbaugh as racists was already established long before the last couple of weeks with every part of the listening audience that doesn’t have a right-wing commitment. Part of the entertainment with people like O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter is seeing whether they’re going to step “too far” over the “blatant racism” line.
Assuming that Dr. Dowling isn’t already known as a campus racist, he’ll be fine. A couple of statements from campus administrators (generally not a high prestige group) does not a narrative make.
Comment by Darleen on 9/29 @ 11:37 pm #
wishbone
I don’t doubt Dr. Dowling has been a righteous pain in the ass to those of the college who want the sports $$$. But you gotta admit it’s been a lot of years since Pat Haden.
And it doesn’t excuse slander of Dowling. Meet him head on and argue your point…or don’t. But no one deserves to become a “symbol of racism”, shunned as a pariah, because it was the fastest/easiest route to silence him.
Comment by Darleen on 9/29 @ 11:42 pm #
oh…btw… I’m actually sympathetic to Larry Elder’s suggestion is that colleges should stop pretending they are “educating” their atheletes… just let them be considered a professional franchise affiliated with the university and proceed accordingly.
Comment by Darleen on 9/29 @ 11:46 pm #
The broad “narrative†of O’Reilly and Limbaugh as racists was already established long before the last couple of weeks
By whom, Prof Cancer?
From what I’ve seen of the three you mention… all buffoonish to one degree or other …
but racist? Not from the two stories I’ve linked.
Do you really think Sharpton would be breaking bread with a racist?
Comment by Big Bang (Pumping you up) on 9/30 @ 12:21 am #
- “….Do you really think Sharpton would be breaking bread with a racist?”
- No way Jose’, paricularly with people that aren’t nearly as racist as he is. I mean the guy makes his living off the subject.
Comment by Canada Corner on 9/30 @ 12:21 am #
Darleen,
You “get” narratives. Unfortunately your narrative doesn’t dovetail with the preferred “broad narrative” the good professor prefers.
Part of the entertainment with people like the good professor is seeing whether they’re going to step “too far†over the “blatant elitist†line.
Comment by wishbone on 9/30 @ 12:35 am #
“I’m actually sympathetic to Larry Elder’s suggestion is that colleges should stop pretending they are “educating†their atheletes”
Well, that’s fine, but there are plenty of examples to demonstrate that both Larry Elder and you are wrong in thinking that every place and program is a Joe Jock institution. It’s just not true.
Comment by Merovign on 9/30 @ 12:40 am #
Boy, people like Caric have a way of making an interesting thread stupid.
Dowling had the bad fortune of running into a crossfire between the economic interests of the school and its ideological narrative.
Friendly fire isn’t.
Comment by klrtz1 on 9/30 @ 2:38 am #
For anyone on the right, being called a racist is such a common occurrence it has lost all power. So calling someone on the left a racist is the only way the charge can continue to be used as a weapon. Eventually it will lose all meaning and only be used by rural teenagers to annoy their parents.
“You are grounded, missy!”
“Oh mom, you are such a racist, sexist, homophobe!”
I used to agree with Professor Dowling that it would be better if more American universities emphasized academics more and sports less. But now that academics is crap like Perfessor Ric teaches, hell no. Fuck academics. Sports teaches more about real life.
Comment by wishbone on 9/30 @ 3:39 am #
Oh, and so much for our lockstep echo chamber here according to the righteous Prof. Caric.
That’s approximately 6,731,212 wrongs in a row on his part. But, who’s counting.
Comment by The Thin Man on 9/30 @ 4:27 am #
What I don’t understand is why we don’t seem to value the talent, commitment and drive required to be REALLY good at sport in the way we do “academic” subjects.
Do we expect computer nerds to be able to answer questions on sport (or almost any other subject)?
Do we prepare computer nerds for life after the microchip?
“spend 50 hours a week on physical skills” – jebus, I would have thought that a teenager prepared to spend 50 hours a week doing something arduous, whether mental or physical, should be deserving of our admiration.
Dowling may or may not be a racist, but he certainly should not be leading this crusade against sportsmen and women – who have worked as hard in their field as anybody in any other department.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 9/30 @ 5:48 am #
Comment by Ric Caric on 9/29 @ 11:33 pm #
That’s rich, charges of racism from a reactionary leftist, home of the “Over a Billion Codescending Attitudes Served.”
As to the charges of racism against O’Reilly and Limbaugh , you’re a liar.
But the lie is the only arrow left in the quiver, ain’t it, perfesser?
Comment by Jeff G. on 9/30 @ 6:59 am #
Translation: “I’ll tell you who’s a racist, not some goddamned administrator.”
Like every single one of Caric’s arguments on race, it boils down to his insistence that he gets to define it.
We get narratives, Ric. And we’re onto yours. You know, that broad narrative of racism on the right you’ve been trying to push for years now? Just because you’ve enjoyed a modicum of success in getting it adopted by likeminded “progressives” (read: small-minded would-be totalitarians and their needy lackeys) doesn’t make it so, no matter how much you insinuate your collective egos into the cultural dialogic.
Don’t fall into the trap of believing your own press clippings, Doc. Because apostates like me will forever be a thorn in your side, and if I can do so, I’ll teach a thousand others a year how to dismantle your rhetorical garbage.
The time has come, the walrus said, to speak of many things…
Beware the rock, Rick. We’re fixing to snatch away your pearl.
Comment by Pablo on 9/30 @ 7:05 am #
How this can even be remotely construed as racist is beyond me. Is there a race that does not have both its bright, determined people and its illiterate goons? Really, white folks: Stephen Hawking and Ric Caric. Need I say more?
So what’s the problem with suggesting that academia should be promoting intellectual excellence over athletic ability?
And they call Dowling an absolutist?
How artful!
Comment by Chairman Me on 9/30 @ 8:54 am #
That’s absurd. All of the football players I met at Georgia Tech were geniuses! They tied their own shoes, wiped themselves, rolled their own–those that didn’t go into the NFL I’m sure are now at the forefront of genetic research and chemical engineering. Anyone who’s ever studied quantum physics knows it has an awful lot to do with things colliding at high speed, just like football!
And how dare Dr. Dowling propose that scholarship funds should give preference to black kids who studied and tried hard in school. What good are black people if they can’t run and throw?* MLK would be mortified.
*Note to racial thoughtpolice: use this sentence alone for thoughtcrime trial; disregard others.
Comment by Rusty on 9/30 @ 9:03 am #
I wonder if the perfesser gets those ‘intent’ glasses from the back page of a comic book. Which is fitting since his performance is a caricature of intellectual endeavor. Thank you perfesser. The discussion is a lot poorer for your participation.
Comment by McGehee on 9/30 @ 9:10 am #
Prof. Caric is trying very hard to live up to that “on the clock 24/7″ thing. I can tell.
I used to have a goldfish that would try very hard to live up to that “soar like an eagle” thing, and had about as much success.
Comment by JHoward on 9/30 @ 9:29 am #
Amazingly flat, lifeless content, even from the Professor…
Speaking of reframing content so as to assume and occupy self-appointed positions of intellectual control, none of those three have engaged in racism, Cancer, which means that you’ve just misrepresented them. Which follows, since you also reinvented them. I call that motive, not objectivity.
That’s pretty much it: In this context, you deny the great amusing irony conservatives find when looking leftward. It appears to me that lacking any introspection or accountability for their intellectual acts and deeds, your breed of left has no sense of that irony when peering back through your little lenses.
In fact, with this statement as an example, you don’t even try to conceal this phenomenon. Either you consciously write it or you are truly ignorant of it. Astounding, really.
I highly suspect that like the crew here, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and Coulter know this. Would they not then naturally chuckle up their sleeves when considering such abject hypocrisy? I know I do, and occasionally I also indulge a little turnabout, to see if anything can prod a leftist into fair thought.
Of course they challenge you clowns. You are personally challenged here, occasionally with parodies of the contemporary fraud committed against traditional civil rights by it’s current figureheads. This then you call racism, having so convincingly made no point whatsoever. What a lifeless dogma; what a flat, dimensionless state of mind for academia, Cancer.
See, Prof, the political continuum isn’t a tidy little line segment teetering neatly on center, with Left over here and Right over there. Rather, the more dishonest and the more consumed by power naturally gravitate to the Left and the morally freer and the more intellectually unencumbered seek to distance themselves as best they can. Since the left’s intellectual collective is rooted in promoting what amounts to legalized envy and theft and the assault on thinking it requires to survive, free spirits must fan out to any degree they can or may to escape it. This annoys you because it means lost control.
So you preach.
In this way the left has erected the institutional analog to a mental disorder. The denial is controlling reality. To control reality requires carefully managing the terms of its evidence, thereby managing the evidence itself. You just did this.
Your circle is jammed in the earth up to your ears. It terminates there, at the lowest intellectual level because it regularly deals in dishonesty and dimensionlessness, as you have again here today. You miss or deny the fabulous irony of this sorry choice, cling to your swamped dogma against all reason, and naturally deny how it all came to be. Actual humans do not do this. In fact, they wonder how your type breathes.
Simple enough?
Comment by SteveG on 9/30 @ 9:34 am #
The racism expert shows up.
Question to the expert:
Name five American black racists whose racial animus is aimed at whites (Jews included). Use sound bites and/or body of work.. whichever suits you.
Comment by Big Bang (Pumping you up) on 9/30 @ 10:06 am #
- Perfesser, you are falling down on the job. the Marxist handbook clearly states that once you sew the seeds of the accusitory big lie, you have to followup by also accusing anyone that defends the targets of the lie of the same crime.You really need to brush up Komrad. Get busy. theres a lot of racists out there just waiting for your “perfect storm” of dialectic bullshit. The collective is depending on you.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/30 @ 10:09 am #
Limbaugh a racist? One of his frequent substitute hosts is . In other words, this is a fellow who, when he takes a break from his ground-breaking, industry-creating job, trusts Williams to fill in for him and knows his audience won’t be driven away.
No doubt Dr. Cancer will concoct some baroque explanation of how this is proof of racism. After all, someone who isn’t racist would have Whoopi Goldberg as a guest host, right?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/30 @ 10:47 am #
So, Prof. Caric: have any actual black people ever turned up in your town? You know, the one that’s 94.25% White as of the 2000 census?
For that matter, do you even know any actual black people?
Comment by Jeffersonian on 9/30 @ 11:03 am #
It’s all about the authenticity, baby. Professor Caric, like WAR-honcho Tom Metzger, knows what’s on a ni**er’s mind, it’s just that they subscribe to a different stereotype.
Comment by Merovign on 9/30 @ 11:10 am #
SBP:
Of COURSE Caric knows black people, why, he knows them better than they know themselves!
As to whether he’s ever met any, open question.
Comment by The Monster on 9/30 @ 11:32 am #
In order for that statement to be considered “racist”, one must impute an implicit premise that there are few such minorities at the library, because they inherently lack the intellectual ability to use a library.
The shameful fact is that one of the biggest reasons there are so few minority library users is that the ones who do risk getting a beatdown for “acting white”. This is not a racial, but a cultural attribute of particular sub-cultures populated by persons of color. The equally-colored people who “act white” aren’t even considered “black” (cf. Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and more recently Juan Williams) who tend to be called “house Negro” or “Oreo”.
We have to separate race and culture, and recognize that one is not bound to a particular culture as a consequence of ancestry, which itself is one of the more insultingly racist ideas ever thought up. And yet, it’s the implicit, never-to-be-questioned assumption of those who are quickest to accuse others (but not Others) of “racism”.
Comment by T&T on 9/30 @ 2:55 pm #
Jeff,
Okay, I’m here in Denver looking (not very hard just now) for work, having prepared for years [YEARS! mind you, in the Deep South, where the phrase "the War" always has and always shall refer to one particular 19th century, 4-year conflict] to be the One, the Scholar, the Informed Articulator who defines “racism” – and now you tell me that RC has jumped line? What kind of deflator of hopes are you?
Maybe I can turn the preparation to defining “shrubbery” instead? We have those in the South, too. I pruned one once, which gave it more “definition” – hey, maybe I’m on something here.
T&T
Comment by happyfeet on 9/30 @ 3:34 pm #
related, and nicely done…
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/30 @ 3:48 pm #
yeah, that was interesting, happyfeet. makes me wonder who a certain troll might really be. they make a lot of the same stupid “arguments”.
Comment by Spree on 9/30 @ 4:23 pm #
Great coverage in this piece, thanks for the link!
Comment by happyfeet on 9/30 @ 4:42 pm #
hi maggie – off-topic but I thought of you when I saw this cause it had a charming community theater musical resourcefulness quality thing about it
Comment by Jeffersonian on 9/30 @ 6:07 pm #
It’s just like Selma, ‘feet. Just ask Jesse.
Comment by Big Bang (Pumping you up) on 9/30 @ 6:11 pm #
- Just judging from the current ramping up of the racist rhetoric, apparently the left feels its nanny-grip on Black America is slipping.
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/30 @ 6:32 pm #
community theaters in your neck of the woods must have much higher production values than they do here. ;D just kidding. Thanks for solving the mystery here at home. Every time that ipod ad comes on, RTO grumbles, “am I supposed to know who the hell that is?” heh. we’re old.
Comment by Big Bang (Pumping you up) on 9/30 @ 7:20 pm #
- Gotta love her cute little voice though Maggie….Won…do…tree….foe….
Comment by thor on 9/30 @ 7:21 pm #
And what if they can’t block and tackle, hmm, that becomes a tough one. Maybe they can kick field goals or maybe they can be a – the lightbulb in my head just went on – coach. Scowl and pace the sidelines, blow a whistle and make people run windsprints; that’s it.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/30 @ 8:02 pm #
oh – I never see tv ads – I need to start asking more when people send me links like that
Comment by maggie katzen on 9/30 @ 8:22 pm #
it’s quite alright. I don’t usually see ads, except it’s football season now…so I do. anyhoo, I had been curious about who it was, it’s a catchy tune and she sounds, well, reminds me anyway a little of Bjork. I ain’t snobby like some expect a classically trained singer to be. jealous, perhaps, but not snobby. okay, okay, no more OT.
Comment by happyfeet on 9/30 @ 10:26 pm #
yes – I thought the bjork thing too about her voice, but the music seems to come from a different sort of place
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/1 @ 8:23 am #
Ahhh…perfesser ummm reaffirming his status as a complete dumbass is always a pleasant read.
I think that comments #17 and #27 nailed it. There was NOTHING remotely racist about Professor Dowling’s comment. Nothing. This is the same issue with crime and the economy, too. We see a disproportionate number of blacks in jail. Is it because of their skin color? Of course not. Is it because of a culture (that whites are very much a part of too)? Yes. We see it in stories of the number of failed or denied mortgages. Blacks out number whites 5 to 1 in foreclosure rates or blacks outnumber whites 5 to 1 in denied mortgage applications. Um, not because they’re black. I bet you it’s probably because they’re poor. Which is a problem in and of itself, but not one of skin color or racism. But that’s simple, so they run with it.
I’m hearing ya wishbone, but I’m of the belief that college shouldn’t be a feeder system for the pros. Those kids (generalizing) don’t want to be there for class or an education (to some, it’s a bonus to be sure). They know it’s their way to the pros. I kind of like the Elder model, too.
Comment by Squid on 10/1 @ 9:00 am #
Q: How many college football players does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Just one, but he gets three credits for it.
Comment by Techie on 10/1 @ 9:51 am #
Last time I checked, Walter Williams guest-hosts Rush’s show when he’s away. Somehow, his horribly racist GOP audience keeps tuning in. What a neat trick.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/1 @ 10:38 am #
wait, wait, Walter Williams isn’t a rich white guy?
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Comment by qrstuv on 10/1 @ 6:14 pm #
Shorter Ric Caric:
All Democrats are anti-racists. Everything they say and do proves this.
All Republicans are racists. Everything they say and do proves this.
Any questions?
Comment by Chairman Me on 10/1 @ 6:22 pm #
“Last time I checked, Walter Williams guest-hosts Rush’s show when he’s away. Somehow, his horribly racist GOP audience keeps tuning in.”
Walter Williams is BLACK? I’m outta here.
Comment by Steve J. on 10/1 @ 9:29 pm #
using the term phony soldiers – also snipped out of context because four remarks later, still in conversation with the same caller, Limbaugh discusses “fake soldiers†like “Jesse Macbethâ€Â.
It was much more than 4 remarks later. Limbaugh edited the transcript to cover his ass and even FAUX News admits that.
Comment by maggie katzen on 10/1 @ 9:31 pm #
links Steve J.?
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