August 22, 2014

Milwaukee County Sheriff calls out Eric Holder [Darleen Click]

Epic.

Popcorn, anyone?

Posted by Darleen @ 5:34pm
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  1. i was surprised to hear him, as a county sheriff, defend police against criticisms people have made of them

  2. a black guy calling out the mulatto from barbados

  3. hf

    He was specific about other government officials taking political advantage of police officers in general – he said nothing about actual criticism.

    Really, listen better.

  4. Clarke argued on Fox News on Friday that the trio was “insinuating that our law-enforcement officers across the United States engage in some nefarious or systematic and cultural attempts to violate people’s civil rights.”

    “I thought that was a slap in the face to every law-enforcement officer in America who puts on the badge and the uniform everyday to go out and risk their lives in service to their community,” he said.

  5. here is a perhaps arguably more better example of someone selflessly standing up and putting himself on the line to speak truth to power

  6. One of the commenters at Ace’s place (I know), like trslbk or something weird like that, is from the St Louis area. He has been insisting that the first couple of days, the local coverage was laudatory of the police response, and that it was overall restrained. The problem was that the riots were a lot more violent then they anticipated, and have been going on a lot longer.

  7. I’m not saying that Jay Nixon is a creepy guy but once he stared into the abyss, and the abyss called the police, and got a restraining order put on him.

  8. The abyss had already been traumatized by Harry Reid.

  9. I’d wondered why a 70% black city, Ferguson, had, apparently, only one black city councilman, an a white mayor and 90% white police force. I’d thought maybe it was that the leaders were white Democrats and that may be true but the mayor is a Republican, though the rest of the council’s Party affiliation is not stated, but the mayor is said to be one of only a few elected Republicans in the north St. Louis area.

    However I did find this which shows that the black majority in Ferguson is very recent. 1990 = 25%, 2000 = 52%, 2010 = 67%. That is a quick major change, and one which happened while the total population stayed the same. Political change was already coming to Ferguson even without the antics of Sharpton-Holder-Crump et al.

  10. I have nothing to back this up, Geoff, but, perhaps, we’re talking Katrina refugees?

  11. I don’t know Bob. The major change happened before Katrina though, more than doubling in 10 years 1990 to 2000.

    A city in transition and now this event and how it is being used by parties from outside will speed that change and likely make it rougher and end differently than a slower unforced one would.

  12. section 8 housing?

  13. Worse is the sheer volume of money taken in by municipal government in the way of fines and fees. Ace gave a link last night:

    Ferguson is a city located in northern St. Louis County with 21,203 residents living in 8,192 households. The majority (67%) of residents are African-American…22% of residents live below the poverty level.

    …Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of $2,635,400. In 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases, or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.

    You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate. You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and the threat of jail for failure to pay.”

    That’s 94 warrants and 46 court cases every working day (5 days/wk * 52 weeks/yr = 260 days/yr).

    http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/08/ferguson-and-the-debtors-prison.html

  14. Bgbear,

    Google Street view doesn’t make it look like that to me. It looks like a normal middle-working class small city environment. But then again the 90s were when the Clintons started the CRA-sub-prime mess and also the period after ’94 saw an economy growing and people moving to better places than they had had.

  15. You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate.

    There may be an assumption error.

  16. There may be an assumption error.

    Agreed

    I have nothing on Ferguson or how the state works it court system, but did anyone consider that spreading the stat across per capita is meaningless?

    I have ten people, one of gets a lot of parking & speeding tickets which they ignore. By the end of the year, this one person now has 10 unpaid tickets which have automatically all gone to warrant.

    Does it really mean that the police are making sure to issue 2 warrants for each person in my group?

  17. Then again the warrants might be from other towns and for people who specialize in collecting them.

  18. Or what McGehee and Darleen said above which I’d have seen if I’d refreshed the page.

  19. McGehee and Darleen, you may both be right, but that simply makes it MUCH worse for the small percentage of residents who are being assessed those fines and having warrants issued. If you assume that only (say) 10% of households have one of the lawbreakers included in those stats, then that makes the average $3,210 in fines and fees and 30 warrants per miscreant household in that year (more than one every other week). And they don’t issue one warrant per crime, but rather one per person, with multiple crimes listed as appropriate. (If the percentage is higher, than the average drops.)

    Remember that is only for the Ferguson court system, not anything that happens to a Ferguson resident outside the city, which would (of course) only drive up the average.

  20. And they don’t issue one warrant per crime, but rather one per person, with multiple crimes listed as appropriate.

    Depends how well different judges’ dockets interact. An outdated system may generate separate warrants from each courtroom.

  21. Not if they are in the same system. The moment the perp is identified, his/her entire record would be appended to any warrant. He/she might appear before different judges, but how many judges can there be in a town of less than 25,000? Only 53 police officers, from media reports. (There may be more if they have not included detectives and investigators and animal catchers, but still a very small department.)

  22. My question would be how unusual are the fines and fees Ferguson collects compared to other US cities in this Ham Sandwich Nation?

  23. Damn, I thought john was dead and buried.

    Well he is now, I’m gunna kill that fraud…

  24. Remember that is only for the Ferguson court system

    Ok, I admit I don’t know how MO organizes its courts*, but municipal courts usually are not exclusive to one city.

    *A quick look at the white paper seems to indicate that the municipalities do correspond to a city/city code/pd. However, how does the tickets/warrants in one city actually belong to residents of other cities? Because, from the white paper:

    The density of the municipalities is such that it is possible to drive through 8 individual municipalities in under 4 miles on a stretch of Natural Bridge road going from Bel-Ridge to Pine Lawn

    Another thing I find weird is that the municipal judges are part-time positions filled by private criminal attorneys or county prosecutors, who may be judges in one municipality WHILE STILL carrying on their regular job in a neighboring one.

    WTF?

    In CA, judges have to give up their bar card once they accept the appointment (or are elected to) to be a judge.

    Conflict of interest! Sheesh.

  25. “The abyss had already been traumatized by Harry Reid.”

    Yeah Harry Reid touched the abyss and when it freaked out he accused it of being an anarchist and an agent of the Koch brothers, and then he read it some Cowboy Poetry.

  26. - Notice how quickly the media is getting out of Dodge now that the “white on black police abuse” narrative is going south.

    - In other non-news, how do you suck so badly as a leader that your most ardent sycophants and ankle lickers even give up on you?

    Between his Bunbleness and Harry “diddle the pageboys” Reid Ima gonna thoroughly enjoy watching the Progressive ship sink slowly in San Fran Pilousi bay.

  27. how do you suck so badly as a leader that your most ardent sycophants and ankle lickers even give up on you?

    Ask Caligula.

  28. -Quite right, Geoff; I was wrong.

    -Geoff wrote:

    Google Street view doesn’t make it look like that to me. It looks like a normal middle-working class small city environment. But then again the 90s were when the Clintons started the CRA-sub-prime mess and also the period after ’94 saw an economy growing and people moving to better places than they had had.

    That’s exactly what happened in my town. Also, our state passed laws increasing the benefits for Section 8 housing owners.

    I live on a street that’s just slightly over a 1/4 mile long. For decades it was divided into several income level areas: upper=blue collar lower class, middle=lower blue collar middle class, my section=blue and white collar middle class [and where the police never visited].

    We specifically moved to the section we did sixteen years ago because our section was quiet and the neighbors knew each other and kept an eye on each other. Now all of the elements mentioned above are present and, but for the houses of the old timers, the properties are falling into disrepair and the police visit the area more often [and the FBI and DEA, too].

    This same story has been repeated throughout the whole town.

    Can’t wait to move to New Hampshire.

  29. The last neighborhood I lived in in Sacramento went really, really bad over the course of the 12 years I lived there. Gunfire in the distance of a summer night, brawls a few houses down that resulted in the sheriff’s helicopter circling the neighborhood, narco cops staging on my street to raid a house around the corner, or making a bust across the street that included the handcuffed perp getting up and running down the street while the arresting officer was waiting for backup…

    It may have had an “about-normal” crime rate when I moved in, but not when I left.

  30. We’ve now got gunfire from adjoin neighborhoods at night and we’ve had two raids on a home four houses down from us, across the street. First time, it was about six months after 09/11 when some Muslims owned the house [and ran a daycare center out of it] and the second time was several years ago where they found a cache of guns a Mexican guy had.

    Funny, though, how the weekly Police Blotter in the local papers never reports on this stuff. You have to know somebody on the inside to find out.

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