July 15, 2014

Marvel’s Thor now a woman / Archie a gay community icon: a feminist, queer-theory conundrum?

Turning a violent patriarchal god into a warmongering woman? Why, that’s misogynist and microaggressive! Unless it was done through transgendering, the operation and therapy paid for by a compassionate, enlightened Odin. In which case, never mind.

…or

Turning a violent masculine god into a capable women warrior goddess? That’s the kind of empowerment that may take the graphic novel and comic book form away from boy-centric adolescent war porn into a more inclusive and nuanced form of art. Unless she is ever sexualized in her portrayal. In which case, never mind.

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Oh, and while we’re on the subject, Archie — of Archie, Veronica, Betty, Reggie, and Jughead fame — is scheduled to meet his maker. Per Jim Geraghty, this:

The favorite son of Riverdale in comic-book America will meet his end Wednesday in Life with Archie, when he takes a bullet for his gay friend, Kevin Keller, Archie Comics’ first openly gay character and a U.S. senator-elect.

Wait a minute — what? Nothing in the above sentence would make sense to zillions of Baby Boomers who grew up on the comical adventures of forever-teens Archie and Veronica and Betty and Jughead, et. al.

Instead, Archie’s death, first announced in April, marks the end of the series that focuses on the Riverdale gang as adults.

“The way in which Archie dies is everything that you would expect of Archie,” says Jon Goldwater, Archie Comics publisher and co-CEO.

“He dies heroically. He dies selflessly. He dies in the manner that epitomizes not only the best of Riverdale but the best of all of us. It’s what Archie has come to represent over the past almost 75 years.”

But who shoots Archie? Stay tuned…

I’ll tell you what:  if it’s a left-leaning, politically-driven nutjob rather than some right-leaning, gun-crazed, homophobic TEA Party throwback who winds up being Archie’s assassin, I’ll toss Jughead’s salad.

Anyway, a choice:  Killing off Archie by having him adopt the “chivalrous” behavior of a heteronormative male, and thus becoming, by dint of his “sacrifice,” the more important and noble of the characters, diminishes the stature of the gay Senator friend and sends the signal that without heterosexual male protection, homosexual males are weak and exposed.  Unless it turns out he just kinda tripped and took the bullet accidentally. In which case, never mind.

…or

Killing off Archie by having him give his life for a gay male is indicative of the comic’s progressive trajectory from Eisenhower-era “traditional values” to the welcome social normalization of alternative lifestyles.  Unless it turns out Archie was a closeted homosexual, in which case his fate is tied to his refusal to expose the secret that boys from the 50s were taught was part of a love that must never speak it’s name.  In which case, good riddance, you self-hating ginger queer.

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  1. I’m upset that we missed out on the Archie-Betty-Veronica “throuple” story line.

  2. Hot-diggity, lightning bolt nipples! Albeit, along with the question who or what gets to diddle them. Say rather than “peace is our value”, however, “piece is our value”. Adulate the gash. The boys will instinctively know where to go.

  3. Jon Goldwater, Archie Comics publisher and co-CEO.

    The other co-CEO, Nancy Silberkleit.

  4. Me?

    I’m going to wait for Scott Eric Beardos take.

  5. Or ‘zono would come in handy now, too.

    If only we could find her.

  6. *I*

  7. “Global values”! Who could want for more?

    Though a lawsuit by the putatively male employees does look like a strangely confimatory diminishment of their manhood somehow, since ordinary blokes would simply respond to being called “Penis” with calling back “Cunt” along with a touch of that global value, laughter.

  8. Will the new Thor name her breasts Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjostr?

  9. If Archie has time to get in front of a bullet, Archie has time to draw a gun and shoot back.

    As for Thorette, whatever. Unless they go Dr. Manhattan with Thorette. Then I might be interested.

    Thorette’s breasts: probably name them Abba and abbA.

  10. Judging by the comments at the link, Marvel knows what they’re doing – playing to their new audience.

    (shakes head in disbelief)

  11. Supposedly, anyone who is “worthy” can pick up the hammer and become Thor. So that doesn’t really raise eyebrows with me that much. Not that stuff in the comic universe is really eyebrow-raising.

    Oh cool, Pandora is playing “Somebody Put Something In My Drink” by The Ramones.

  12. The Leftist disease is everywhere.

    We are The Last Ship.

  13. Marvel comics have always been gay.

    As for Archie, dude was blind to the winsome blonde charms of Betty and hung up on that bitch-y Veronica with the dad who, while fabulously wealthy, didn’t see fit to put Veronica in a private school. To keep her away from the riff-raff.

    Blake, if Archie doesn’t have time to draw a gun, he can kick some ass like Bruce Lee and knock the gun out of the assassin’s hand and into his own.

    Bullets are too good for both of these editorial boards.

  14. I don’t think Archie steps in front of the bullet, Jughead is just a bad shot.

  15. I dunno Bob. I smell weakness in this move.

    It’s like their comics aren’t selling well and so Marvel is going gay-‘niche’ in order to salvage a market for itself.

  16. OMFFFG. I can’t stop laughing.

    I look forward to the day we see Mickey Mouse dorking Goofy.

  17. Lezzy and Tranny, the 8th and 9th dwarfs.

  18. Doc, Grumpy, Sleepy, Bashful, Dopey, Happy, Sleepy, Sneezy, Furry, Rapey, Kinky, Pedo, Sissy, Rainbow and Rimjob.

  19. I wonder when Marvel Comics will launch a Pedobear franchise. For the diversity.

  20. Veronica Lodge’s father seen dancing for joy at the news. Hauled in for questioning.

  21. Words to live by:
    When tryin’ to untangle
    The Jingle from the Jangle
    It’s easy if you listen with your heart.

  22. It’s like their comics aren’t selling well and so Marvel is going gay-’niche’ in order to salvage a market for itself.

    Betcha a dollar they have people in the Dept of Ed who’ll soon mandate that Archie comics be distributed to social studies classes around the nation. Because nothing makes a kid love comic books more than having them shoved down his throat by his guidance counselor!

  23. What! No hot Betty and Veronica action with Jughead? What the hell.

    There was a settlement a few years back over control of Archie…

  24. I look forward to the day we see Mickey Mouse dorking Goofy.

    Mickey and Minnie are in divorce court and the judge says, “I’m sorry, Mr. Mouse, insanity is not grounds for divorce.”

    “No, your Honor, I didn’t say she was crazy, I said she was f#@king Goofy.”

    Sorry, it is an old classic…

    Regarding Thor, he was Odin’s son, so I guess they have some great surgeons up in Valhalla.

    The problem is now that this Nordic travesty has been visited upon the world, whether Volvo will have to change their logo as well ?

  25. I look forward to the day we see Mickey Mouse dorking Goofy.

    Something along that line was done by the New Left “Yippie” magazine “The Realist” back in the 60s. Issue #74, May 1967. The Disneyland Memorial Orgy. NSFW and you can Google it yourself.

  26. I’m glad you posted that joke, Eingang. It’s a classic.

  27. Ein, that would be the “Nordic Transvestite,” not the “Nordic Travesty.”

  28. “But who shoots Archie? Stay tuned…”

    “Ulululululululululululululululululululululu?”

    Naaah.

  29. Looks like Disney is content to let the comic publishing ghetto of their IP empire burns itself down in a fit of fat divorced 40 year old loser self hatred. Meanwhile fuck the kids. comics haven’t been for them since the 80’s. The aging losers need them more so they can make stupid mistake after stupid mistake in their sad quest try and get vodka from a bag of crackerjacks. They can’t be satisfied with the kiddy material which embarrasses them so they ruin it and try to make it dark and cruel and stupid and smutty until it breaks. They think this will make the superhero comics enjoyable again. It never does so they have to try dumb stunt after dumb stunt until they are stuck with repeating themselves. They already did “Thor Girl” replacing Thor back in 2000, and had a What if where Jane Foster lifted the hammer and became “Thordris” instead of Donald Blake.

    And why would Disney care/. They have the IP to make cartoons, movies, and toys and when the when the comics collapse as the last 58 year old can’t stand to buy the shit rags at $7 a piece they can start w comic imprint aimed at kids and sweep the dying age of Marvel under the rug.

  30. The aging losers need them more so they can make stupid mistake after stupid mistake in their sad quest try and get vodka from a bag of crackerjacks. They can’t be satisfied with the kiddy material which embarrasses them so they ruin it and try to make it dark and cruel and stupid and smutty until it breaks.

    Well said.

  31. [presented as one of two choices] Killing off Archie by having him adopt the “chivalrous” behavior of a heteronormative male, and thus becoming, by dint of his “sacrifice,” the more important and noble of the characters, diminishes the stature of the gay Senator friend and sends the signal that without heterosexual male protection, homosexual males are weak and exposed.

    Never even occurred to me. But… yeah. That’s what they’re talking about with this comic text, isn’t it?

    Next up, Archie saves a black friend from the underemployment of selling dime bags.

  32. Yup Squid,
    Just like AlGore’s book, “An Itinerant Sooth:” the only way his publisher could sell his crap is by getting the government to buy a couple million copies for the schools.

    Like fake face-book ‘likes,’ the public school and library book purchases represent our own, home-grown “click-farms” for bogus tracts.

    Look for Hillary’s book to become required reading in the gub’mint’s high schools, too. ‘Cuz free citizens ain’t buying enough copies of it, too.

  33. Fuck Archie. Fuck ‘em all. Die, Archie, die.

  34. geez bour3 harsh but i agree

  35. Zowie bour3, pour a little sugar on it!

  36. Glenn Beck on Megyn Kelly sounds like he’s on the verge of trying to sell his own version of a “No labels” stance for his future broadcasts. He wants unity over divisiveness.

    Problem is that unity with evil is a bad thing. ‘Let’s only burn half your house down this time’ is NOT a useful compromise. Pretending that evil has some good in it is naivete. False alternatives are not alternatives. Wanting the shelling to stop is not going to change anything.

  37. Megyn Kelly is so dumb She thinks that Sanat Claus is white. Everybody knows that Santa is a black transexual with a conjoined twin growing out of his/her back and reversed legs. Jesus is a fake guy made up in 450 AD by a Roman cult to manipulate stupid people but he was still black. Like the brown people who live in Egypt now. Who you should never call black to their face because that’s just your western interpretation of a beautiful complex and ancient culture that you can’t really understand because you only see things through your imperialist euro-centrist running dog industrial capitalist lens/false consciouness. SCIENCE!(TM)

  38. > He wants unity over divisiveness. <

    well i read this today

    Glenn Beck Discusses Border Crisis and His Charity Plan – The Bold and Sanctimonious Tour

    say what you will but beck has at least has an idea that evil lurks here and is trying to do something positive. how much have you heard from orangeman and mitchy? yea crickets. actually the paymasters of the rino party are very vocal:

    Chamber of Commerce on Immigration Reform: ‘We’re Going to Use Every Tool and Resource at our Disposal’

    ps: beck is donating all proceeds over $2 mil(total now $1.8 mil) to border patrol and texas sheriffs affected.

  39. Is Beck going off the rails?

    I ask it seriously. When Bob B. says a thing I take it seriously. When palaeo makes another statement like this I now have to consider it as possible confirmation.

  40. Beck goes off the rails periodically. This appears to be one of those times.

    He’s like the libs on FB posting pull quotes from random parts of the Bible to justify why all we Christers are a bunch of hypocrites for not welcoming the little brown ones with open arms.

    Take a dozen home with you Glenn. Knock yourself out, buddy.

  41. >Is Beck going off the rails?<

    he isn't going the way you want(which is what exactly)? at least he released a video tonight in spanish to the central americans – "don't send your children here". has baracky or mitchy or orangeman or reid done the same?

  42. If you respond to me, nr, do so seriously.

  43. >Beck goes off the rails periodically<

    rails confine a vehicle to a certain destination no?

  44. >If you respond to me, nr, do so seriously.<

    serious ? @ July 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm. what do you do with a semi dicktator?

  45. indeed what do you do when the “ruining class” says nothing about your dereliction of “duty”?

  46. I’m not fisking empty two sentence comments like that to show exactly why I don’t take toss-off nonsense like that seriously

  47. I asked a question. You opened up with nonsense and and then ended with a non sequitur.

    Either a) reply like an adult or b) understand why you’re so often ignored.

  48. >If you respond to me, nr, do so seriously.<

    well here's ? is anybody else doing something other than writing blog posts?
    beck has generated money voluntarily to assist at the border and is going there to assist what children are arriving intermixed with pashtuns, romanians, ms17 members et al

  49. >Either a) reply like an adult or b) understand why you’re so often ignored. <

    so mr bh how would you deal with the present southern border problem?

  50. Maybe my analysis is off but Glenn seems to be tap dancing towards a magical healing middle paradigm to me. I’m not going to say Stockholm Syndrome but he seems to be realigning his views and drawing new diagrams of who his allies are. He does not seem to be reaching out to the ones who dared rebuke him so much as looking for a way to direct them under a bus and move on.

    It reminds me a little bit of how the reform party went from ” our party” to “Ross’s party” to ” one last try…no never mind.”

    Maybe I’m misreading it but I got the feeling that I’m a little less invited to subscribe to the Blaze at half price than I was a few days ago since I failed the “always side with Glenn when he does a Crazy Ivan or else piss off” test.

    I’m not sue what to make of the death threats. It seems like everybody gets death threats. Now. He was getting them since he was on CNN but he seemed to try to imply that since there were death threats now from his donors and viewers (presumably not just Moby) the non death threats criticisms can be lumped in with the death threats and thus safely condemned together with a broad brush.

    I have seen this tactic used a lot by feminists online. If you get a death threat or a sexist comment or someone mentions rape then it gets transferred to any and all critics like THEY did it instead of being isolated as a freakish thing from a nut or a huge asshole. Apparently if I don’t like what he is doing then I am siding with the death threat people and approve of their behavior and thus my views are criminalized by association with those I did not associate with or support. I think Glenn knows better since he had this kind of dismissal levied at him on a daily basis but he seems to be trying this hair shirt on. I think Glenn has a lot of transformations for someone who’s sure he’s approaching the right way humbly and sincerely and he’s very public about them. It’s making me nervous. I also get a bit turned off when he starts with his charismatic style routines. I used to worry that he was fragile. Now I have to add to that worries that he is Oprah.

  51. He’s assisting at the border?

    I thought he was generating private funds to minister to poor kids left in a bad spot by forces beyond their control.

    It seems to me that he’s not done anything with border assistance and it’d be fairly absurd to imagine that he could do so regardless.

    (Look, just the other day I was writing his charitable brief for him here at pw but if he’s moving farther afield than that I’m no longer looking to lend a rhetorical hand to his efforts.)

  52. Either a) reply like an adult or b) understand why you’re so often ignored. < so mr bh how would you deal with the present southern border problem?

    Again, a non sequitur. I’d give you an answer but it would be fairly commonplace in these parts and would have nothing to do with my initial question regardless.

  53. >Now I have to add to that worries that he is Oprah.<

    well she bet the ranch on baracky so there's that history and are you watching O! now? see whatever beck is doing in his campaign against failshitamerica isn't costing me a penny unless i want to contribute. baracky on the otherhand has the bank acount of failshit america.

  54. Thanks, palaeo.

    Ehhh, who knows, I certainly haven’t listened to the man enough lately to make a reasoned decision for myself.

    I take di and Pablo seriously. I take Bob and yourself seriously. There’s a disagreement here. It piques my curiosity.

  55. > I’d give you an answer but it would be fairly commonplace in these parts and would have nothing to do with my initial question regardless<

    why play games just answer the question: so mr bh how would you deal with the present southern border problem? is it because the executive branch holds all the law enforcement cards? is it because the "opposition" party sucks? like to hear your view on this problem.

  56. >He’s assisting at the border?<

    that too but with cameras and a media organization. like reporting the non "ruining class" narrative news

  57. why play games just answer the question

    Dude, I’m not a freshman in forensics. Don’t say dumb shit like “just answer the question” when you can look back just a day or two and see my extremely pedestrian answer. Or, better, take a far longer look at my commenting history and then guess (with perfect accuracy) my position.

    I’m not particularly opaque and it has absolutely nothing to do with my thrust here at all.

  58. I’m finding him puzzling, bh. Like you, I’m not sure what exactly he’s trying to accomplish here.

  59. Maybe Sophocles’ Antigone would prove helpful.

  60. >when you can look back just a day or two and see my extremely pedestrian answer.<

    so you can't repeat briefly your "extremely pedestrian answer" here so other readers know your position? very uncharitable to make me and them search for it. but ok whatever.

    that leads me back to goeffb's citation of the soviet "axe theory" whereby all resources are thrown at a perceived weakness in the enemy line. take away compassion and the illiberals have nothing but cronyism.

  61. The scale of the border implosion is overwhelming a lot of us, methinks. Making even easygoing guys snappish.

  62. As in a gods’ law vs man’s sorta dealio, sdferr?

  63. Yes, to be crude about it. Antigen answers to the oldest (hence highest) right, while Kreon must answer to the city’s highest right — and bang!, a clash of competing right.

  64. so you can’t repeat briefly your “extremely pedestrian answer” here so other readers know your position? very uncharitable to make me and them search for it. but ok whatever.

    Listen up, dummy. It has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

    You’re saying, “Hey, look, a squirrel.” If I was a teenager I might engage you with this tiresome horseshit deflection. I’m not.

  65. Have I mentioned I hate auto-fill?

  66. >As in a gods’ law vs man’s sorta dealio, sdferr?<

    beck mention that you are a citizen of god before a citizen of the state. anyways:

    In Translated Monologue, Glenn Beck Speaks Directly to the Parents Sending Their Children Across the U.S. Border

  67. >Listen up, dummy. It has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

    You’re saying, “Hey, look, a squirrel.” If I was a teenager I might engage you with this tiresome horseshit deflection. I’m not.<

    you are being rude to me and readers here.

  68. Augustine’s “City of God” isn’t exactly the blueprint for American constitutionalism. But whatever.

  69. That, Antigone, doesn’t end well for anyone IIRC.

  70. Auto-Fill is the dread son of Clippy who poureth out the wino made from the gropes of wrap.

  71. > If I was a teenager I might engage you with this tiresome horseshit deflection. I’m not.<

    "extremely pedestrian answer"

  72. baracky’s southern front is the “axe theory” in a way but it relies on baracky bearing the banner of “compassion”. if he loses that flag in popular opinion then what?…

  73. mr bh i apologize if i have wronged you in the past. good luck in the future.

  74. Let me throw in my .5 cents on the whole Beck thing.

    The charity drive is wildly unpopular with the people nominally on Beck’s side. Leftists hate Beck with a passion, to the point that Beck could become a red commie rat bastard and the left would still want Beck’s head on a platter.

    Glenn Beck is creating a lot of heat and a lot of light on the border issue and doing it his own way, detractors and politics be damned.

    Meanwhile, Obama is playing pool with the governor of Colorado.

    I cannot disagree with Glenn and his charity outreach and I give Glenn full credit for going his own way. Sort of a “Damn the torpedoes” moment from a ratings and business standpoint.

    My thoughts, however, remain the same: It doesn’t matter what any of these people do. The rule of law is effectively dead. The law is now whatever King Barack I says it is. Boehner and McConnell are the Mcclellan’s of Congress, always organizing, gathering troops, looking to build up their supply base, because they don’t understand something the Democrats have taken to heart: “Audacity, always audacity” and no matter how much McConnell and Boehner are prodded to fight, they always have an excuse. Heaven forbid McConnell and Boehner get down and dirty. Why, it’s unseemly.

    We need a drunken SOB who will fight. Instead, we have……..

  75. ” if he loses that flag in popular opinion then what?… ”

    Then he will act like he has not lost it, cannot lose it, and people will either adopt the lie despite its silliness, or they will call his bluff and he will start having allies peel off as neutrals until a new figurehead emerges for the movement. Then he will become a disfavored figure and will be revealed as a faux scotsman to maintain the never been tried properly facade that obscures the horrors conjured by zealous Marxists futzing about.

  76. ” if he loses that flag in popular opinion then what?… ”

    He will go away for a few years and then come back as a popular senior pol with a wife he wants to push into office.

  77. >Then he will act like he has not lost it, cannot lose it<

    reality will be there to hi

  78. “He will go away for a few years and then come back as a popular senior pol with a wife he wants to push into office.”

    the mulatto effed too bad to save his sorry ass. even with a fake injun.

  79. “reality will be there to hi”

    I thought that back in 2012. And yeah reality has to get back in somehow. Someday. But fuck it has a lot of stupid, brainwashed, and confused to dig through.

  80. >Someday. But fuck it has a lot of stupid, brainwashed, and confused to dig through.<

    wait for 2016!

  81. Bad News Bears.

  82. bush/clinton/warren overlords 2016!

  83. >My thoughts, however, remain the same: It doesn’t matter what any of these people do. The rule of law is effectively dead. The law is now whatever King Barack I says it is. <

    Lawlessness is now the dominant theme in the Obama saga

  84. Ever since he announced a few years ago that he was going blind, the A Face In The Crowd vibe I get off of Beck has intensified.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050371/?ref_=nv_sr_1

  85. Of course, to be fair, The Great Awakening would have annoyed me – and I get that kind of vibe off of him too.

  86. ****you are being rude to… readers here.****

    Speak for yourself, please, gentle writer.

  87. I wonder if my Civil War references are significant from a psychological standpoint?

    Eh, doesn’t matter, I’m just you’re average knuckle-dragging bitter clinger who is barely literate.

  88. I wonder if my Civil War references are significant from a psychological standpoint?

    I can see the call for a Grant clearly enough, but can’t quite make out any actual Lincoln on the scene — unless somehow you intend to place your referent “we” in that role. If the latter is so, I dissent. Any “we” I can identify simply isn’t up to that.

  89. And yeah reality has to get back in somehow. Someday. But fuck it has a lot of stupid, brainwashed, and confused to dig through.

    The more of that nonsense it has to wade through, and the longer it takes to wade through it all, the angrier Reality is going to be when it arrives. (Women and minorities affected most.)

  90. That’s it, Bob! “A Face In the Crowd” is exactly what I was thinking with Beck.

  91. We ought perhaps to take one step back from Beck’s personality in an attempt to grasp his larger enterprise. I say this on account of something self-evidently trivial which I encountered at Insty this morning (I quote without link):

    *** “THIS HAS BEEN THE DEMOCRATS’ STRATEGY ALL ALONG: Is a fear of ‘getting Koch’ed’ hurting Republican super PACs?

    Give to Dems and the media cooperates in protecting you. Give to the GOP and it cooperates in attacking you. GOP activists, if they want to get ahead, should be trying to make Dem donors radioactive, too.” ***

    It is such a commonplace, right? And yet, I must marvel that despite our wide-ranging understanding of the force of political journalism arrayed against our own political views, in some relevant sense very few actors (by which I mean journalist-ish type business builders) have arisen to create in our quasi-open markets seriously towering media enterprises with which to oppose the incessant propaganda of the political left.

    There stands Glenn Beck one of those few, and he’s not done.

    There are of course others — Breitbart leaps immediately to mind, despite — or because of his death, since his enterprise survives and possibly thrives in his absence.

  92. And whether we agree or dis, ’tis the height of politeness to properly punctuate and capitalize, gentle writer.

  93. Hear Limbaugh just now?

    What he is talking about with the media “creating a story about the world which is not real” was once formulated in the ancient Greek world as “making the weaker argument the stronger”.

    So powerful, so dangerous was this sophistical demagogic capacity regarded by the city posed against the welfare or the interests of the city — he who could be accused of such a deed could be brought to court, tried, convicted and banished or possibly even executed by the city.

    That was not a liberal society. And yet . . . what are we asking today?

  94. sdferr, in answer to your question, the sentence would have looked better if I’d typed it thusly: Instead, we have……..?

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