February 16, 2014

Johns Hopkins University to permit opposite-sex dorm rooms [Darleen Click]

You know, for the gender inclusiveness

This year, for the first time in the University’s history, students signing up for on-campus housing will be able to choose to register in gender inclusive units.

This option will be available for all students living in on-campus housing next year, including incoming freshmen, current freshmen and upperclassmen.

The policy shift reflects a step the University is taking to make its housing environment more comfortable for students.

“Inclusive housing helps Residential Life fulfill their mission of providing safe and inclusive housing that supports the needs of Hopkins students,” Demere Woolway, Director of LGBTQ Life, wrote in an email to The News-Letter. “This has the potential to especially impact the lives of transgender students, who are sometimes housed in a way that does not respect their gender identity. With gender inclusive housing, trans students can be housed in a way that supports their identity.” […]

Currently, the Department of Housing and Dining Services allows group housing in McCoy Hall with mixed genders in a group. However, rooms themselves are still designated as single-sex. This policy will allow students who are not of the same legal sex to be assigned to the same room, creating a gender inclusive unit.

What could go wrong?

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  1. Wait – we just had a bunch of Wellesly students freak out about a life-like sculpture of a sleepwalking man in his undies (even if it’s a women’s college they are in contact w/men, right?).
    Why would having someone of the opposite gender living in your dorm room, or sharing your dorm bathroom be OK if just the sight of a fake male in BVDs causes the womyns to scream ‘sexual assault’?

  2. I’d make my (mythical) bright in-coming freshman daughter change schools if Honors Dorms weren’t available where she didn’t have to share a room. If she got into Johns Hopkins, surely she’s golden for another school without this policy.

    College is a big enough life change without having to share your room with someone of the opposite sex.

  3. Aren’t sexes primarily complimentary, if distinguishable, as opposed to opposite? And while we’re at it, what ever is served by the idiotic substitution of the word gender for the word sex, a perfectly sufficient word to describe the thing at hand?

  4. If a paunchy white guy in tighty-whiteys declares he’s a woman of color, it’s those complaining assigned-female-at-birth who are using their cis-privilege to engage in hate. They.will.be.punished.

  5. (leigh, a friend whose son is a sophomore at JHU alerted me to this)

  6. In related news, failure to “wait out” your child’s gender confusion is H8!

  7. Damn me if I didn’t misspell complementary. But anyhow, y’alls could have guessed I don’t doubt.

  8. The sexes are complementary, sdferr. It’s just common usage, I guess, to refer to them as opposite.

    I, too, rue the use of “gender” when “sex” is the proper form. It’s one more hill to climb to reclaim the language.

  9. Didn’t even notice

  10. Spelling errors are to be excused here on PW, unless committed by a troll.

  11. Di, I must be a hatey mchaterson, then. When children were born with penises (well, one per), I assumed they were male.

  12. Forgive the off-topic already but I could use a sanity check.

    The proposition I was floating on Twitter yesterday is that because the existence of deity is a religious question/issue, any answer to “Is there a god?” is by definition a religious belief.

    So the answers yes, no, dunno, can’t know, and I don’t care all constitute religious belief.

    Further, the only way to actually be non-religious is to be incapable of formulating religious questions. My cat is oblivious to all religious issues such as the meaning of life, ethics, deity, life after death/before birth, and spiritual questing.

    Ergo, human beings are unique among creatures for our ability to formulate religious questions: Homo credens.

    The atheists were adamant about not having “religion” associated with their stance. They countered by saying that they don’t assert “there is no god” but rather they reject all claims to god-existence.

    I can kinda sorta see what they’re saying, but it looks more like a way to thwart the charge by theists that “atheism is a religion” than a cogent distinction.

    True, atheism is not a religion in the same way that Taoism or Christianity is. But the believers well recognize that the rejection of an assertion is still a proposition in the same category as the assertion, because the implications lie along the same course. Asserting that there is a God has an effect on other assumptions, and when you subtract deity out, those same downstream assumptions are affected.

    We live in one of two universes: one where deity exists or one where it does not. The atheists believe that they live in the latter, theists in the former.

    Which means that the atheists actually are occupying the opposite side of the binary that theists propose: “God does not exist” is the equivalent of rejecting claims about gods.

    Either that or I’m missing something.

  13. When children were born with penises (well, one per), I assumed they were male.

    If your three-year-old son dressed like a princess and played with dolls, would you shrug and call it a phase or rush him to the hormone clinic?

    If you did the former? Damn, you’re vile.

  14. How do you handle the etymological origin of the word religion, dicentra? Sometimes, it seems to me, we modern users may run afoul of some misattribution of matters proper in one context of public worship or sacral teaching when we ascribe the term to another — may we simply say exotic? — distant context of public worship or sacral teaching. That is, what might be credibly and properly understood as exemplary of one religion simply may not apply in another context. But even this is hard, since the exotic fact makes fully understanding the exotic context (and therefore the possible propriety or impropriety of our expression) very difficult indeed.

  15. I think “modern” use of “gender,” was designed to detach the “binary” (or tertiary with the neutered added) and physically grounded meaning present in the word “sex” with something which could place the meaning inside each person’s mind to be whatever they could imagine themselves as being. This is like unto the reader’s intent trumping the author. The author being actual nature in this case and the “words” being a physical fact to be wiped away as inconvenient.

  16. How do you handle the etymological origin of the word religion

    I don’t.

    I’m putting forth the term “religion” to mean “religious issue” and omitting the consideration of particularities of practice or doctrine.

    “Religion” in this sense has to do with a category of considerations such as deity or ethics or the purpose of life. All religious traditions by definition address such questions.

    As a religious person, I can speak with Taoists or Muslims or animists about categories in my belief system, and they’d all have something to say about them. For example, they all have something to say about deity, whether deity be embodied in a god, in Nature, or in one’s heart.

    I could raise the issue of “salvation” and they’d know what I was on about, even if their religious tradition didn’t include such a doctrine, just as I know what Catholics mean by Transubstantiation or Taoists by “The Way.”

    Being uninterested in religious issues or declaring them irrelevant is still a religious statement, because it’s a statement about religious considerations.

  17. I agree with your stance on this issue of belief regarding faith or atheism. Have you asked any of your interlocutors how they are certain there is no deity of any kind? How did they arrive at this belief? Because, belief it is and as such is religion in the sense that you have been consistent in your usage of the term.

    I have no problem with agnostics. Atheists, by not being able to explain themselves and by not even trying seem to be trying to claim a moral high ground. Which is rather ironic, but don’t try to tell them that.

  18. This is like unto the reader’s intent trumping the author. The author being actual nature in this case and the “words” being a physical fact to be wiped away as inconvenient.

    That’s pretty much what I thought, Geoff.

  19. if people want to sign up for this it’s ok with me

  20. LGBTQ Life

    no idea what a Q is but the T’s do not belong in this group cause they’re sort of their own freaky thang and I don’t really care about them whereas L’s and B’s and G’s are just normal people that you socialize with every day

  21. Q’s are queers.

    Why they get to use slurs is something I don’t understand. I used to hear the gay guys at work call each other “faggot” now and again, too. I guess it’s the gay form of nigga as a greeting.

  22. I’ve also seen the Q stand for Questioning, although that seems to go against the “born this way” argument.
    Apparently Facebook now offers 50 choices for gender designation. I don’t think I could come up with 10.

  23. Have you asked any of your interlocutors how they are certain there is no deity of any kind?

    They began the discussion with the insistence that they were not asserting “there is no God” but are rather rejecting the question.

    As if they could.

    See, you can reject the question “What is ethical?” by saying that “ethical” is an invalid category. That puts you in the realm of Nature, which is amoral. You can’t observe animal or plant behavior and evaluate it in terms of ethics or morality.

    They say they reject God questions because there’s no evidence of a God, and then I go into “what would you accept as evidence,” which goes nowhere and they know it, so they don’t answer the question or they provide the definition of evidence.

    I’m trying to get them to understand that you don’t “prove” God, you know God. So I ask “Do you want to know God? Because I can help you acquire that knowledge.”

    At that point they get nasty and I’m forced to end the conversation.

  24. I’ve also seen the Q stand for Questioning, although that seems to go against the “born this way” argument.

    Silly Libby: assuming that inconsistency would be an obstacle to an assertion of theirs.

  25. the T’s do not belong in this group cause they’re sort of their own freaky thang and I don’t really care about them

    Biggit.

    They can’t help it if they have a girl brain in a boy body.

  26. Atheists, by not being able to explain themselves and by not even trying seem to be trying to claim a moral high ground.

    It’s similar to the conceit among leftists that they’re not ideological. Given that they define “ideology” as “sophistry” or some other kind of false overlay on reality, they claim the high [moral] ground by having cast off delusions and come to terms with Naked Reality.

    Tell them that “ideology” is just a generic term for “belief system” and they go apoplectic.

    I’m not sure why they have such an intense investment in their stance. Go ahead and tell me that I’m delusional and I say whatevs. I know that my beliefs aren’t self-evident, and that they don’t appeal to most people, so if someone else looks at my conceptual world and says, “sorry, doesn’t float my boat,” I can be cool with that, because I can see where they’re coming from.

    Likewise, if you want to call my political stance “ideological,” I say, duh, so’s yours, and then they get nasty.

  27. Heh, expecting consistency from people who insist that gender is fluid, regardless of what’s in your pants is silly. And we’re the ones who are anti-science deniers.

    Wonder how long it’s going to take Title 9 supporting feminists to figure out that they’ve screwed themselves with this gender stuff: http://tinyurl.com/nw55xte Just wait ’till he gets an athletic scholarship!

  28. here’s a conversion tale for a sunday
    As a university professor, I tired of students who seemed to believe that “knowing Jesus” meant knowing little else. Christians in particular were bad readers, always seizing opportunities to insert a Bible verse into a conversation with the same point as a punctuation mark: to end it rather than deepen it.

    Stupid. Pointless. Menacing. That’s what I thought of Christians and their god Jesus, who in paintings looked as powerful as a Breck Shampoo commercial model.
    link

  29. From the article in my link to RSM:

    Disturbingly, data on long-term outcomes for transgender kids are scarce. No one is tracking the evidence on puberty-blocking intervention either. “We are doing major interventions and we have shockingly little idea what the outcomes are,” Ms. Dreger says. You get the sense that what we have is not so much a rational approach to a psychosocial issue as a radical ideological experiment. [The last five decades in a nutshell. — Ed.]

    Here’s more unwelcome news from Ms. Dreger. A child’s gender issue may merely be a symptom of other family problems. “The dirty little secret is that many of these families have big dysfunctional issues. When you get the clinicians over a beer, they’ll tell you the truth. A lot of the parents aren’t well in terms of their mental health. They think that once the child transitions, all their problems will magically go away, but that’s not really where the stress is located.” Clinicians won’t say these things publicly, she says, because they don’t want to sound as if they’re blaming gender problems on screwed-up families.

    It’s not unusual for dysfunctional families to have a kid who ends up being emblematic of the larger problem. The kid acts out wildly, causing all kinds of disruption, so the family focuses on “fixing” the wild kid, when in fact the only way to “fix the kid” is to fix the family.

    I never had the desire to say “I’m a boy” when I was young, so I have no insight into what motivates it. If, in fact, a male body ends up with a female-patterened brain because the brain rejected testosterone’s influence (and the rest of the body did not), that’s gotta be some awful torment for the poor soul.

    But isn’t it similar to those who look at their left arm and say, “that’s not mine?” The part of the brain that recognizes its parts as “self” is damaged for that limb, so the sufferer is tormented by the feeling that an alien limb is screwing up their lives. They fantasize about being amputees or inflict gangrenous wounds to force a doctor to amputate.

    It’s the sexual aspect that constitutes a difference. No one says “that left arm must not really be his” on the say-so of the sufferer. We might reluctantly accept amputation to put the sufferer out of his misery, but we recognize that Something Went Wrong. We don’t reckon that “not owning a limb” is just another mode of being.

    It’s always about sex, and once again that Bookworm article about sex and state power explains why it always goes back to bodily autonomy and public vs. private and invasion of boundaries.

  30. leigh: I, too, rue the use of “gender” when “sex” is the proper form.

    geoffb: I think “modern” use of “gender,” was designed to detach the “binary” (or tertiary with the neutered added) and physically grounded meaning present in the word “sex” with something which could place the meaning inside each person’s mind to be whatever they could imagine themselves as being. This is like unto the reader’s intent trumping the author. The author being actual nature in this case and the “words” being a physical fact to be wiped away as inconvenient.

    Exactly, and the linguistic aspect is particularly noteworthy given that “gender” is in fact a function of language, the word describing the concept developed for the study of language.

    They’re not content simply to use language to annihilate the ideas language is necessary to express. They want to sow the ground with salt by annihilating language itself once the ideas have been undone.

  31. what does a T have in common with an L or a G or a B?

    The L’s and G’s and B’s are all yay life is good let’s make ginger-glazed sammin and watch the new season of that netflix thing with kevin spacey

    whereas the T’s are all hey maybe I should cut my dick off

    as you can see there is an egregious category error here

  32. Interesting post, Di. A lot of the recent public transgender cases have had a whiff of Munchausen by Proxy. It seems to be more about “Look at what a tolerant & loving parent I am – I let my male gendered boy dress as a Disney Princess and forbid others to use gendered pronouns for my special snowflake. Oh, and Oprah/Diane/Katie, please remind viewers to buy my book…”

  33. “One of these things is not like the others… in fact it’s not like anything, and doesn’t want to be like anything, but we have to respect and approve of its choice… Um, why did the music stop?”

  34. >as you can see there is an egregious category error here <

    perverts

  35. Libby, my boys were totally uninterested in girl toys or clothes. Most likely this was my fault because I didn’t buy them.

  36. Respect, celebrate, and accommodate its choice in our schools, places of employment, recreation, etc.

    Holder’s own DOJ employee policy “requires DOJ employees to express active support of alternative LGBT lifestyles.” Silence is interpreted as disapproval.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/doj-forces-employees-to-affirm-gay-agenda/

  37. Clinicians won’t say these things publicly, she says, because they don’t want to sound as if they’re blaming gender problems on screwed-up families.

    Since when? Blaming the family of origin is credo. Duh.

  38. what does a T have in common with an L or a G or a B? –

    The LGBs are about whom they wanna do. They know which one they are.

    The Ts are about which one they are; attraction is not in the equation.

    So with the Ts you’d put in the As for “androgynous,” and maybe H for “hermaphrodite.”

    LBGTQAH

    They all go together in that they’re irregulars in the sex category, and everyone calls them preverts.

  39. no they do NOT go together there’s nothing irregular about normal old gay people they’re just gay whereas people who renounce their genitalia have ISSUES

  40. With 330 or so million souls in the US alone, it’s not surprising to find strange quarks in the particle mix.

    What is annoying is the undue attention paid to them.

  41. >about normal old gay people they’re just gay whereas people who renounce their genitalia have ISSUES <

    more pervert microaggression

  42. yes yes yes

    T’s are outliers like when people find a finger in their Big Mac

  43. This Ricochet thread is kinda fun: Six-word stories.

    She still makes coffee for two.

    Wrong Tea Party, Alice.

    He couldn’t remember getting the tattoo.

    Kenyan father, white grandmother, composite girlfriend.

    Loves cats. Dies alone, partially eaten.

    Weeds are exponential. Weeding is linear.

    He apologized and took her home.

    Haikus were too long for him.

    It wasn’t an especially good idea.

    The son was a jackass too.

    For sale, Klein bottle: apply within.

    A republic: we couldn’t keep it.

    if not for that one thing…

    Help! The NSA is monitoring my

  44. >T’s are outliers<

    like fags and lesbos

  45. and pervert contains them all

  46. you’re not very nice sometimes this is why you don’t get the good Halloween candy

  47. i *still* have kit kats left over

    white chockit ones

  48. “Pervert” is unnecessary for mere homosexuality or gender dysphoria. Let’s save that for child molesters, k?

    Gays have a reproductive handicap. Trannies are being tormented by their brains or their souls.

    It’s irregular, not evil.

    Also, the Sunday Shows all coincidentally mentioned in passing that Ted Cruz doesn’t have any “bench buddies” at the GOP lunches.

    You will know a man by his enemies.

  49. evolution wouldn’t occur with lgbtxyz in charge

  50. “Pervert” is unnecessary for mere homosexuality or gender dysphoria. Let’s save that for child molesters, k?

    no the child molester is another type of pervert. see rsm for female public school teachers and their behaviour.

    >per·vert transitive verb \p?r-?v?rt\
    : to change (something good) so that it is no longer what it was or should be

    : to cause (a person or a person’s mind) to become immoral or not normal

    Full Definition of PERVERT

    1
    a : to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right : corrupt
    b : to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted : misdirect
    2
    a : to divert to a wrong end or purpose : misuse
    b : to twist the meaning or sense of : misinterpret<

    link

  51. actually proggtardia is perverted

  52. evolution wouldn’t occur with lgbtxyz in charge

    Good thing they’re in the minority.

    Look: gays and lesbians need God as much as anyone, but if there’s a phalanx of believers calling them preverts by the entrance to the church, they’re not going in.

    Can’t say I blame them.

    You don’t want God giving you the stink-eye for depriving them of His love. He’s not going to accept “but they were perverts” as an excuse, because you were supposed to help them find grace, not make them think God hates them.

    It’s one thing to assert that male/female complementarity is a load-bearing wall in marriage and society.

    It’s another to spit on those who find it hard to fit in to that paradigm.

  53. that’s why the lgbtxyz need to be called endlessly perverts. they don’t get to define morality. big fan of subsidiarity in these matters.

  54. i be your bench buddy Mr. Ted!

    plus I have white chockit kit kats and pineapple vodka and plus this guy let me have his HBO Go password

    we could watch that movie with the ocean tiger

  55. It’s another to spit on those who find it hard to fit in to that paradigm.

    who is doing the spitting? the pervert agenda has full support of the ruining class. if anything the ruining class is the spitter.

  56. happy, Bill DeBlasio’s wife was a lesbian and now she isn’t. What happened? It didn’t take?

    I believe she made a choice, there.

  57. if anything the ruining class is the spitter.

    They spit because they’re full of spit. It’s who they are; it’s what they do.

    I’m talking about individual LGTBQARSYOCs, all of whom are redeemable.

    There’s a difference between saying, “this concept of human sexuality is a perversion” and “you’re a pervert.”

  58. but she’s a mother-luvin fascist

    ICK

  59. and so i drive

    and i think about my life

    and wonder why i have so many white chockit kit kats and Mr. newrouter doesn’t

  60. pervert is a perfectly fine word to describe folks who are lbgtxyz. i stopped playing the proggtard’s game of unilaterally declaring “certain” words offensive.

    yours,
    bitter clinger, islamophobe, fagophobe, racist commentator

  61. Hey, let’s completely reorder society so that .0000001 of the population doesn’t get their fee-fees hurt! What could go wrong?

  62. >There’s a difference between saying, “this concept of human sexuality is a perversion” and “you’re a pervert.” <

    if you practice perversion you are a pervert like commieism and commie. i'm in the "sticks and stones" philosophy but the ruining class is trying to shift us into the "words hurts us" political dead end.

  63. you’re just wrong is all

    L’s and G’s and B’s are or here frolicking in the meadow lalalalalalala

    whereas T’s are all about SELF-MUTILATION

    hello?

    critical think much?

  64. *o’er* here i mean

  65. L’s and G’s and B’s are or here frolicking in the meadow lalalalalalala

    You need to read the news more. If that was all they were doing, I’d get them some kites.

  66. Bill DeBlasio’s wife was a lesbian and now she isn’t.

    – I notice LGBTabcx only seems to be the end of the world as we know it when the practisioner is benefiting in some way. In a great many cases the “benefit” is an opportunity to shed a hopelessly dreary and un-unique personage. Problem is when the population of any demographic grows to large, there is a need for new gender bending ideas. Thus 50 is probably not surprising. Of course at some point there will be so many types that it will all melt into monogenderism, which just means more guns will be sold.

  67. >critical think much?<

    so this pervert is ok but that pervert goes too far – bigot

  68. freedom is mostly all L’s and G’s and B’s are guilty of

    not unlike Hobby Lobby really

    except with better taste

  69. >critical think much?<

    that is what is useful calling the lgbtxyz perverts. see what we’re doing is ok what they’re doing is not. but you’ll are still perverts. they are sexual nut cases of a minority of people who demand we accept them. go do what you want(legally and here is where the rubber meets something in a civil society) leave me alone.

  70. Hey, let’s completely reorder society so that .0000001 of the population doesn’t get their fee-fees hurt!

    I’m not going to call gays “perverts” for the same reason I don’t use the N word: not to be politically correct but because it’s not how I roll. If I’m going to insult you, I’ll go after your faulty thought processes or your lack of character.

    I will say that Something Went Wrong with the sexual orientation of LGB, just as Something Went Wrong with the eyes of a blind man or Something Went Wrong with the brain of a schizophrenic woman.

    I won’t go along with the idea that homosexuality is like left-handedness or being born with your internal organs flipped: paradoxically, our most intimate behavior has some of the most profound effects on society. Sex is too important to be experimented with by a bunch of self-important Overlord wannabees whose true aim is to destroy churches and families because they are rivals to State control over the individual.

    I will say that there’s a difference between a fringe behavior occurring on the fringe and its mainstreaming. The attempt to obliterate sexual differences is perverse and authoritarian — you’ll remember that I predicted that we’d arrive at a point where presenting as Male or Female (clothing, behavior) will be considered a grave offense to the otherly sexed/gendered. Feets can scoff all he wants but he has to show that the road we’re on doesn’t have that trajectory. If you get on the plane to Miami, you tend to arrive there unless something causes the plane to change course.

    That said, LGBTQ people are human beings and deserve to be treated with the same kindness that we’d extend our friends. Newrouter’s link to the lesbian who converted to Christianity demonstrates that she was won over by love, not condemnation.

    It’s hard to separate the larger perversity in a movement from the individuals in it. Or who appear to be in it. Except that we’re called to do that, alleged Christians. You can’t condemn homosexuality as a sin on one hand while being cruel to hapless sinners on the other. (You also can’t condemn gays for being sinners if you’re a fornicator, but that’s another issue.)

    The name calling is unnecessary. Good arguments suffice.

  71. >freedom is mostly all L’s and G’s and B’s are guilty of <

    no not be freedom in a civil society. this be the word:

    li·cen·tious adjective \l?-?sen(t)-sh?s\
    : sexually immoral or offensive

    Full Definition of LICENTIOUS

    1
    : lacking legal or moral restraints; especially : disregarding sexual restraints
    2
    : marked by disregard for strict rules of correctness

  72. why don’t you just accept them

    then everyone can stand together

    united against the T menace

    it’s our only hope

  73. Sex is too important

    whaaa????

    sex is like the ONLY thing we can take for granted in neo-fascist food stamp america

  74. Acceptance: done.

    Allowing them to fock over natural society by undoing long-established norms: not acceptable. Let them follow white rabbits on their own time.

  75. I’m not going to call gays “perverts” for the same reason I don’t use the N word: not to be politically correct but because it’s not how I roll.

    here’s some niggers(ie low class, stupid black people)

    Cleveland disabled vet victim of savage beat down, teen gang calls him ‘white boy’

    there nigger stories daily. same with the perverts. except you don’t hear the nigger stories but the perverts are 24/7/365 in your face. those peeps ARE niggers and those peeps ARE perverts. the language matters. i will not unilaterally disarm in fighting for the truth.

  76. >why don’t you just accept them then everyone can stand together united against the T menace <

    your tribe sucks literally pal

  77. natural society

    *newsflash*

    your “natural society” is a cowardly neo-fascist cum-blot in the global rorschach test of national sustainabilitah

    #SHITMERICAFAIL

    Asia and India are the future

    America is a fucking joke

    *DEAL*

  78. you loathsome cowardly amerifucks are *this* close to getting presidented on by a geriatric HILLARY CLINTON

    and you’re worried about the gay menace Mr. newrouter?

    prioritize much?

  79. If I’m going to insult you, I’ll go after your faulty thought processes or your lack of character.

    factually stating behavior is only insulting if you are in some ways ashamed of it? i’m not insulted if you call me a “racist” because i acknowledge niggers in the low class black sector of the economy. because calling me “racist” does not refute evidence.

  80. take off your leavin dress let’s do what we do bess

  81. >natural society<

    nice bs

    @7:54

    here is where the rubber meets something in a civil society

  82. i got your civil society right here

    p.s. your public school system is a splooge-laden fascist wet dream

    #becausehomos

  83. >p.s. your public school system is a splooge-laden fascist wet dream #becausehomos <

    where's the "outrage" about sex molesting/twisting union back public schools?

  84. ex molesting/twisting union back public schools

    actually

    come to think

    there’s no segment of shitmerican society more female-dominated

    than your public school system and your healthcares

    how’s that workin’ out for ya’?

  85. egads

  86. Gross. Ima read my book.

    G’nite.

  87. >egads<

    no genital mutilation involved: whats the problem?

  88. This just in: Male sexual orientation influenced by genes. Apply all caveats about whether Science By Press Release is at all reliable because we never hear about attempts to reproduce the results:

    Researchers have speculated in the past that genes linked to homosexuality in men may have survived evolution because they happened to make women who carried them more fertile. This may be the case for genes in the Xq28 region, as the X chromosome is passed down to men exclusively from their mothers.

    The gene or genes in the Xq28 region that influence sexual orientation have a limited and variable impact. Not all of the gay men in Bailey’s study inherited the same Xq28 region. The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay.

    The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother’s DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay. That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin.

    DNA is the hardware, Epigenetics is the operating system, environment is the coder, and individual volition is the user.

    I reckon that if we were to find out for sure, we’d see that people are gay for different reasons: some more organic than others, some more environmental. Some even largely volition. Who knows?

    Yet causes don’t inform whether homosexuality is “just different.” Even if gayness were 100% organic, it’s still abnormal, same as cystic fibrosis or Alexander disease, and the abnormality has profound consequences both for the individual and society.

  89. I had a friend once joke that he was a male lesbian.

    The waitress overhead and said that he looked sad, lonely and heavy, and was obviously letting himself go so she believed him.

    That was at the G&M steakhouse where they insulted the guests as a novelty back in 1989.

    That steakhouse is closed down now.

  90. “you loathsome cowardly amerifucks are *this* close to getting presidented on by a geriatric HILLARY CLINTON and you’re worried about the gay menace Mr. newrouter? prioritize much? ”

    How does it feel to be so useless and ineffectual?

  91. “Asia and India are the future”

    Nah, the future is a nice nonheteronomrative eloi theme park where everyone has a bunk-bed or cot in a dorm with carboard walls, and rides bikes, and burns shit in little shit ovens with filters on top and eats rice and beans and gets a shrimp and a handful of nuts a day for protein. 35 hour work weeks spread over six days. Overalls and one hair cut. And that future is getting it’s throat slit by a biker/viking.

  92. >DNA is the hardware<

    Freewill – Rush

  93. and the real problem is we got a fed gov’t prioritizing “niggers” and “perverts”.
    tribal hear the drums.

  94. oh and “wetbacks”

  95. oh and about “hurting peeps feelings” at this point, 5 years into baracky and his “alinskyites”, eff ‘em.

  96. even the white board gets it

    STRICKLAND STRICKEN

  97. Dicentra, you might find an interesting read about how to deal with atheists at Vox Day’s site. Scroll down a ways and on the right side of the page you will find a link to the free download of his book, The Irrational Atheist.

    His rhetorical skills are somewhat above average, heh.

  98. By the way, I’ve been reading here for quite a few years. I’m just one of those who prefers to enjoy Jeff ( and the rest), nod, chuckle, and then move on and mull for awhile.

    Does me a world of good.

  99. then everyone can stand together

    – Sure, but just for the hell of it I’ll stand with my back to the wall.

    That steakhouse is closed down now.

    – Telling people the truth too often will do that.

  100. - Hell, come to think of it, thats a large part of why Bumblefuck got elected. People were just sick of all the “cadidness” and wanted to elect someone they could count on to lie to them at every opportunity in every way possible, because “feel good” is where its at man.

  101. “um the ‘spanish’ speakers:

    The following story is a tragedy, involving the most heartrending of all crimes, the alleged killing of an infant, born into the world entirely dependent on the good will and caring of adults. It reports allegations of murder, not proof of it. Much must be inferred rather than confirmed. But all that said, the preliminary account is emblematic of a deeply sick society, which in its loud protestations of mercy and charity is often heartless and uncharitable:

    link

  102. Hey LEIGH!

    You all shook up or what?

  103. How does it feel to be so useless and ineffectual?

    it feels awful I hate it so much

  104. Who’s ready for a new thread?

    <raises hand>

  105. The name calling is unnecessary. Good arguments suffice.

    Name calling is virtually unavoidable. For instance, “Tranny” is now a vile bigoted slur. But “Trans-….” in any of the now limitless permutations is perfectly acceptable…as long as you pick the right one. And if you don’t? Why, you’re a h8ey h8er, unfit for public society. So go away and let the little penis people shower with your daughter, Neanderthal.

    This trap should look familiar to anyone who’s been around these parts a while.

  106. you loathsome cowardly amerifucks are *this* close to getting presidented on by a geriatric HILLARY CLINTON

    and you’re worried about the gay menace Mr. newrouter?

    Hillary would perhaps be the third gay president.

  107. Hillary Clinton was totally inevitable in 2008 too.

  108. How screwed up is New York? Meet their Director of Homeland Security: CUOMO: Some Pigs Are Better Than Others. Especially Mine.

  109. For instance, “Tranny” is now a vile bigoted slur.

    It will be, until the next time someone uses it on Ann Coulter.

  110. So, I think I have mentioned this before, but this thread sort of brings up a question for me.

    Let’s say I knew a guy who was a genuine male, or at least was so equipped. Let’s say that a little later in his life, he decided he wasn’t really a male deep down inside, so he had himself reassigned. So: transexual. And let’s say that he/she is also still attracted to girls.

    Do we have an LT, then? Or does that count as a straight transsexual?

    Not that I’m ever likely to have a use for any answers, mind you.

  111. The category for that, Slarti, is TFU — in which T stands for Totally and U stands for Up.

  112. Well, my kids are all pretty darned bright, so I’m glad to be able to remove one school from their list of potential future colleges.

    Not to dirty up the comments here, but this idea is well and truly fucked. As is the country apparently.

  113. It will be, until the next time someone uses it on Ann Coulter.

    It will especially be a vile bigoted slur against Ann Coulter, because she deserves it and we cannot — should not — contain our righteous indignation against Hitler.

  114. Hitler wasn’t all bad. At least he had the decency to kill Hitler.

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