April 19, 2013

Boston Marathon bomber(s) chase: open thread

Discuss new developments here. For instance, I’m told that the Tweet from the suspect’s hacked Twitter account making the rounds is a hoax [potentially]. Also, it seems the brothers were living here as legal immigrants but were not citizens (according to FOX). [update: new report says naturalized citizens]

Meanwhile, as the day goes on, I’ll be haranguing David Sirota on Twitter. I invite you to join me.

Because among other things, Sirota is trying to point out how “the right” is reacting to the Chechen angle in a bigoted racist rage. As is evident in Tweets from individuals you’ve never heard of that he helpfully points to.

– Ignoring or forgiving his own almost orgasmic desires that the terrorists be white, private school lacrosse players from rich families who, though they may not have actually raped that stripper, probably considered it — and so need to be punished as emblems of white privilege.

He’s also pushing the canard that the brave and professional response from first responders in Boston vindicates the progressive thirst for higher confiscatory taxes — as if red states are the ones routinely threatening to cut funding to first responders every time its citizens say no to tax increases, or as if red states don’t themselves have adequate first responders.

What they don’t have is Cowboy Poetry Festivals; nor do they pour our money into studies and grants seeking to determine why lesbians have an outsized (social) propensity toward alcoholism.

And tell me: what the fuck does belonging to a public sector union have to do with your ability to behave professionally and do your job?

Answer: it doesn’t. Sirota is a pseudo-intellectual posing as a political analyst. He’s a poser getting rich off of pretending to champion the people.

Meanwhile, the dude probably spends $80 on a cut and coloring, and another $100 to wax himself monthly.

He’s everything that’s wrong with the leftist mindset rolled up into one carefully polished turd.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:21am
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Comments (319)

  1. Has anyone thought about how this affects the environment? Look at all those police cars and copters driving around.

  2. The killers’ uncle, interviewed on tv in Maryland just now, seemed to have said the two murderers were born in Kyrgyzstan.

  3. The killers’ father should receive a cruise missile from the U.S. Navy, express delivery.

  4. ohnoes the chechens are coming home to roost

  5. The minute that MIT cop died, the “suspect’s” chances of getting through this alive rapidly descended toward zero. My former LE peeps assure me this is probably the prevailing mindset of the pursuers.

  6. Sirota is trying to point out how “the right” is reacting to the Chechen angle in a bigoted racist rage.

    Selective perception is a hallmark of bigotry. You see that which reinforces your stereotype, and ignore the inconvenient stuff that doesn’t.

  7. “Also, it seems the brothers were living here as legal immigrants but were not citizens”

    And yet were somehow registered to vote, imagine that.

  8. Wow, Jeff is really curb-stomping Sirota this morning.

  9. The last time I was in Boston, they had two very senior state patrol officers playing crossing guard in the ground transportation area. You know, the sort of gig where most airports use a rent-a-cop or just a guy in a vest, if there’s even anyone there at all?

    Their “first responders” at work.

  10. Is it wrong of me to wish karmic punishment upon Mr. Sirota?

  11. Somebody mentioned that the SUV they carjacked had a Coexist bumper sticker on it. Is that true? Cause if it is, the irony would burn…..

  12. What’s up with the Hasids in NY, like they think they can ride the subway free from harassment? What next Sirota?

  13. FWIW, Mythbusters showed that you can, indeed, polish a turd.

    Be that as it may, a beautiful, glossy finish does not change the substance of said turd.

  14. Anyone who doesn’t believe God has a sense of humor, I present to you:

    “COEXIST” sticker on a vehicle car-jacked by a Muslim during a terror attack.

  15. That last via @BenHowe on twitter…

  16. What’s that old chestnut about a liberal who gets mugged by reality?

  17. Heh. That’s like RAY-ee-YAIIIN on your wedding day.

  18. Correcting my mishearing the uncle, Ruslan Tsarnaev, he’s saying “Dagestan”, “one of them, Dzhohar, he is born in Dagestan”, not “Kyrgyzstan” as I misheard earlier, but he does say “they” “never been in Chechnya”, “they has nothing to do with Chechnya” .

  19. What’s that old chestnut about a liberal who gets mugged by reality?

    You mean they just ignore reality and make up thier own?

  20. I’m wary of having a national moment here cause every goddamn time we have one of them we lose more freedom.

    I’d rather have a tasty scone I think.

  21. Sirota is entitled, entitled I tells ya! to his own facts.

    It’s part of the douche-bag privilege.

  22. I have to admit I find it very difficult to be bigoted against the uncle. I’d better turn in my White Privilege™ card.

  23. Wow, Jeff is really curb-stomping Sirota this morning.

    Unfortunately, Sirota is too brain-dead to appreciate the skill with which it’s being effected.

  24. Heh:

    Michael Moore ?@MMFlint 5m

    For past 4 days hundreds of “terror experts,” “terror analysts” and pundits never said anything about Russia or Chechnya. They know nothing.

    @@. w/o any evidence, the experts should have looked into Chechnya? I thought that would have been jumping to conclusions?

    Experts mention ISLAM which these guys are. MM is a pimple on the ass of life.

  25. how much more white can you get than someone from the Caucasus region?

  26. Early this morning, around 7-8am ET, Fox radio was reporting that the cops were surrounding a particular house in which they suspected Little Brother was hunkered down, but then I drifted back to sleep and there’s no mention of that anymore.

    What happened? He wasn’t there?

  27. I assume Michael never heard of Beslan school hostage crisis. Not on his radar.

  28. That’s fucking spooky, is what.

  29. That was from a week ago Tuesday, I believe.

  30. Michael also probably never heard of the Moscow theater hostage crisis. Just some random white guys and gals upset about something or other.

  31. - Well yeh, white, but the wrong kind of white for the propaganda needs of the highly polished Lefturds.

  32. It is not like they are Consolidated Chechen Industries of America or something really evil like Halliburton.

  33. Here’s what I can assure you: were a bombing suspect loose in my neighborhood, I’d have the door locked and I’d have a military-style instrument of death — and several high capacity magazines! — at the ready next to me. And a semi-auto laser-sighted handgun on my thigh, with one in the chamber and fifteen in the mag.

    SHAME ON ME! SHAME ON ME!

  34. like a white Hispanic.

  35. Sirota is trying to point out how “the right” is reacting to the Chechen angle in a bigoted racist rage. As is evident in Tweets from individuals you’ve never heard of that he helpfully points to.

    Oh. So the right is behaving like the left behaves every time a nutbomb with a gun goes off? WE GOTTA GET RID OF THEM GUNS!

  36. Here’s what I can assure you: were a bombing suspect loose in my neighborhood, I’d have the door locked and I’d have a military-style instrument of death — and several high capacity magazines!

    I suspect that polling results of gun rights/gun controls may experience some shifting in Boston.

  37. Also not a good time to bring up immigration. I notice there are already a few people out there advising that it isn’t helpful to link this current situation with immigration.

    It’s just like what the Newton families did. And you don’t want to be like them, amiright?

  38. - Ok. This eluded some 9 to 10 thousand combined law enforcement personnel for more than 14 hours, probably afoot, alone.

    - Good bet that he’s getting help.

    - Multiple military helicopters now added to manhunt. State police added to mass of onsite personnel.

  39. Obama is currently fuxxored with all his issues.

    Oh well. He still has gay marriage.

  40. Don’t like background checks? Don’t get one.

  41. - Someone should start a process of removing the Obama administration from office.

  42. Were I in Boston and of a criminal bent, this would be a great day to rob some jewelry stores. All the cops are busy chasing shadows. A little of the old smash and grab.

    No offense Bostonians, but Watertown is one fugly town. It looks like the slummy parts of the old knitting mill towns in PA.

  43. Dear God. When you thought the Gosnell story couldn’t get worse…

    Gosnell Worker: Baby Surviving Abortion Struggled in Toilet Trying to Live

    I cannot fathom this. I’m done with this day.

  44. leigh, Watertown is like any other big city suburb – parts are really nice, and parts are run down. I was there yesterday at the RMV – it is a little weird to see the Watertown Mall sign in the background at the press conferences, when that is where I went to renew my registration.

  45. - More explosives found at home of bombers in Cambridge. Officials announce yet another planned “Controlled detonation” this afternoon.

  46. Yes, people like Gosnell make me hope that I am wrong about this whole Hell thing.

    Or, maybe re-incarnation and every time he tries to get re-born, he. . .

  47. Oh, yes Scott. When I lived in Pittsburgh, it was the same way. Nicely kept streets and shops, turn the corner and straight up ghetto followed by vacant lots and then more nicely kept blocks.

    Watertown reminds me of Reading, PA. The old part of town, anyway. Nice shopping and offices that give way to Section 8 housing a few blocks away.

  48. Watertown reminds me of Reading, PA. The old part of town, anyway. Nice shopping and offices that give way to Section 8 housing a few blocks away.

    My husband grew up there. Reading. I was given the grand tour of the childhood home, first job, etc, a few years back.

  49. - FBI and counter-terrorist units questioning sister who lives in the Watertown/Cambridge area.

  50. [W]ere a bombing suspect loose in my neighborhood, I’d have the door locked and I’d have a military-style instrument of death — and several high capacity magazines! — at the ready next to me. And a semi-auto laser-sighted handgun on my thigh, with one in the chamber and fifteen in the mag.

    That’s going to make the predictable door-to-door search awkward, to say the least.

  51. James Taranto ?@jamestaranto

    What the hope-they’re-white crowd really wishes for is a reason to treat their domestic political adversaries as enemies of the state.

    link

  52. Watertown has an old arsenal that has been converted into a major mall – The Arsenal Mall (name creativity was seriously underfunded that year). Bet that place is a ghost town today.

  53. - Bad info. She lives in Northern NJ.

  54. Carin, I lived in Wyomissing, which is a suburb of Reading. I liked it there. Lots of old growth trees, stately homes with big yards, not much traffic. My BIL and SIL lived downtown on 10th Street in a totally different city it seemed. No parking. Everyone yelling at each other in Spanish. It was close to outlet shopping, though.

    My only big claim to fame about living there was one of my sons went to preschool and kindergarten with Taylor Swift.

  55. That’s going to make the predictable door-to-door search awkward, to say the least.

    Especially when people follow Joe Biden’s advice and cut loose with a shotgun blast through the door.

    Sorry, Officer. If I had known it was you….

  56. I’ve been texting my youngest who is at a track meet today and he was flabber-gasted that the peoples of Mass were forbidden to own firearms.

    As was said upthread, this who episode is going to thrown a serious wrench in gun control advocacy and immigration reform. Pity that.

  57. who=whole

  58. Thomas Jocelyn writes of the ties of these murdering scum Tsarnaev brothers to Khorasan, a region from which Barry Obazm thinks he can escape by lightly running away. You’re a moron, Barry, for Khorasan will come to you.

  59. This episode is proving what the late Baroness Thatcher once said: “The facts of life are conservative.”

  60. - Sorry, Officer.….the vice president made me do it.

  61. that’s going to make the predictable door-to-door search awkward, to say the least.

    Especially when people follow Joe Biden’s advice and cut loose with a shotgun blast through the door.

    Sorry, Officer. If I had known it was you….

    You think you’ll be in a condition to apologize after the police counter your Biden maneuver with the Christopher Dorner protocol? That’s wildly optimistic, don’t you think?

  62. This is either an incipient hostage crisis, or he’s gotten outside the perimeter.

  63. Leigh,

    Sorry, door to door searches are exactly the reason citizens need to be disarmed.

    The government cannot take any chances. The cops, I mean, the citizens, might shoot wrong person.

  64. EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

    ‘Course, we’ve known this for months, but the inside word is only just now making an appearance on the stage.

  65. Leigh,

    Sorry, door to door searches are exactly the reason citizens need to be disarmed.

    The government cannot take any chances. The cops, I mean, the citizens, might shoot wrong person.

    That, and daring to ask “Do you have a warrant” constitutes probable cause, if it’s not admitting guilt.

  66. I keep expecting to see one of the police scrambles culminate in the house they’ve converged on going BOOM.

  67. Now there’s a BOLO for a green Honda Civic with Mass plates in CT.

  68. Pffft, guns, warrants, habeas corpus….those things are like, soooo outdated. Like, OMG, must be all of a hundred years old. Totally ancient and all.

  69. *The preceding brought to you by the classic “Valley Girl” as performed by Moon Unit.

  70. Chechen kid likes him some Hondas. This is the second or third one he’s helped himself to.

    Feds just seized Sis’s computer in NJ.

  71. Viz a viz Doerner, it might be easiest if everyone in the greater Boston area simply burned their houses to the ground.

  72. Oh, and if your neighbors aren’t home – be a buddy and help them out.

  73. leigh says April 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Chechen kid likes him some Hondas. This is the second or third one he’s helped himself to.

    Just because you’ve declared war on the country, and have every LEO in 100 miles ready to shoot to kill you is no reason to get bad gas mileage. Wouldn’t want to damage the planet or interfere with Cuomo’s “new normal” or anything.

  74. How many cops of every stripe does Boston, Massachusetts employ? Are all these fully kitted out guys homegrown or imported? I thought there were a lot of coppers in NYC, but there look to be even more in Boston.

    I don’t remember seeing this many cops in LA during the King riots.

  75. Has Robert Redford started work on a new film about these two misunderstood revolutionaries? I wonder how his “The Company you keep” is going to play now.

  76. leigh, as I understand it they’re bringing in the po-po from lots of outlying burgs to assist.

    Which leaves one to wonder, what are the good citizenry whose local PDs have been stripped going to do if certain non-conforming individuals decide to engage in extra-legal activities? Because people defending their own lives, loved ones, or property is so 18th century and regressive.

  77. The Aunt of the killers is on TV ranting away about how this is a set-up.

  78. That was my question, Darth. I think if I were your average unemployed criminal guy, who was out of weed and beer and needed cash, I’d be rolling on a 7-11 right now.

  79. I don’t see Redford doing any interviews or promos for the film…

    someone really needs to get a camera and go knock on Kathy Boudin’s front door to ask her for her expert opinion on all this.

    Ayers and Dohrn too.

  80. “I have to admit I find it very difficult to be bigoted against the uncle. I’d better turn in my White Privilege™ card.”

    You can only do that by praising Obama and cursing his enemies. That means you’ll have to turn in your human being with a brain card too. And that means you’ll be an extra senatorial Harry Reid.

  81. Ayers and Dohrn too

    Last time anyone tried to ask Bill any questions, he called the Man. Like the little bitch he is.

  82. They just showed the interview with the Aunt of the Boston Bombers. She was kind of pissed at the press and thought they were like kids who didn’t know how to think or see obvious things. It was great watching her cut them off and tell them that their questions were the kind that ought to answer themselves to anyone who was paying attention.

    She said something like “Why do your questions focus on emotion instead of evidence? That is not how things work! How can you ask me if I feel that they are capable of doing such a thing? They did it! We saw them do it! We know that they did it! So obviously I have to think that they could do it now! “

  83. My prediction is the press reports that Obama himself captured the terrorist himself. My local idiot radio station was already reporting, breathlessly “That Obama was being brief in the situation room and would be responding to the crisis”, like at any moment, he would fly over Boston and use his Xray vision to find the perp.

    Hate the press. So much.

  84. FOX correction: younger bomber granted US citizenship in 2012.

    On September 11.

  85. when you do your terrorisms in coastal cities you severely limit your escape routes

    unless you have a cool cigarette boat like pappy bush or kenny chesney

  86. Well then, Barry and Eric can finally have their civilian terror trial.

    Assuming they can take this kid alive, that is.

  87. where’s leigh

    it’s past effing time we did the irradiations

    not doing them is getting scary scary

    people are gonna die

  88. Good Roger L. Simon piece:

    It’s About Islam, David Sirota

    Read the whole thing, as they say.

  89. How the Hell he got this I do not know.

    http://tinyurl.com/d2rqbjd

  90. Happy, I keep trying to tell people that. No one listens to me.

    They all say “Monsanto bad! GMOs bad!” like the stupid Neanderthals that they are.

  91. “Assuming they can take this kid alive, that is.”

    50/50 he gives up or blows his own brains out.

    If he wanted to go out in a blaze he’s already had his chances.

  92. FOX correction: younger bomber granted US citizenship in 2012.

    On September 11.

    Hey, he’s just bombing the footraces Americans won’t bomb.

  93. ThomasD, is that wound on the side a resuscitation effort of some sort? EMS had him at one point since he has contact points taped all over him.

  94. If you want to damage the U.S. economy, you don’t have to bring down the World Trade Center any more.

    You just have to let youself get caught on camera carrying a backpack bomb and then elude the subsequent drag net for a day or two.

    In fairness, the bomb went off, and they did throw down with the police, so….

  95. Yeah, that big wound looks surgical, probably went in trying to clamp off bleeding.

  96. “They all say “Monsanto bad! GMOs bad!””

    I’ve never quite figured out why it’s okay to do any genetic experiment whatsoever with human embryos, but not with, say, corn.

  97. It’s too big for a chest tube. Maybe they tried that and had to do heart massage? They already had him cracked from the side, so I wouldn’t open the chest from the front too.

  98. The thing that I noticed last night from his photo on TV was that he might have had a bit of a cauliflower ear. This photo is much clearer, and does not appear to show that.

  99. Pic from twitter account:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFctFaDCEAEnuYh.jpg:large

    what is the word of phrase on the license plate of the bmw ?

  100. I’ve never quite figured out why it’s okay to do any genetic experiment whatsoever with human embryos, but not with, say, corn.

    Beats me. The same reason it’s okay to eat beef cattle and foie gras but no way! no how! can you eat a horsie. We just passed some legislation to make horse slaughter for meat legal in OK. Our legislators who wrote the bill have been getting death threats from the Animal Rights jagoffs—who reside out of state, natch.

  101. Maybe the pictures were inverted? That happens all the time with our crack new reporters.

    Ruskie dad is on teevee claiming the kids were set up and this whole thing is bullshit.

  102. I’ve only seen a few thoracotomies in the ER, but that one looks like a pretty typical anterolateral, and heart massage is a good thought

  103. In the “separated at birth” theme: I’m just happy they didn’t shoot Ricky Rubio for carrying his gym bag around.

  104. It’s been about 25 years or more since I watched an autopsy and everything has changed so much, I’m in the dark.

  105. To my ignorant mind, he looks remarkably intact for a guy who may have blown himself up.

  106. Say, do you suppose these two are the embodiment of the think globally, act locally mindset, or what?

    What does David Sirota think?

  107. GSWs say ixnay to the “blew himself up” idea.


  108. leigh says April 19, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    The same reason it’s okay to eat beef cattle and foie gras but no way! no how! can you eat a horsie.

    Don’t those people get that horses “eat like horses”? Ever since horse meat was ruled off-limits there have been more reports of starved and neglected horses (with fewer legal ways to unload them), especially with our wonderful “new normal” economy.

  109. I’ve been suspicious the shrapnel found in him might have been from Monday. And I shake my head when I hear “too many bullet holes to count.” Too many to estimate, maybe, but any inventory auditor could get you a damned accurate count.

  110. Mr. Ed is off limits because, not being raised specifically as food, they may have received horse drugs that are not safe for humans to consume (phenylbutazone, aka ‘bute.’)

  111. Depends on the bullet wounds, one of the guys from the infamous 1980′s Miami FBI shootout was a dead man walking from the first bullets that struck him. Didn’t stop him from killing a few people before he finally keeled over.

    And given the crude nature of their ‘big’ bombs his explosive vest may not have been all that powerful.

    Also, that photo is pre-autopsy. Autopsy leaves the great big Y across the entire chest, and they will count every projectile entrance and exit wound.

    I only see a couple for sure, and a couple more maybe.

    I heard the ‘shrapnel’ from Monday line too this morning on the radio- that’s just confused meaning/terminology. Probably referring to similar kinds,/i> of objects. No way he stayed ambulatory for four days with shrapnel from the first blast in him.

  112. Too many, McGehee, or enough to make sure he wasn’t moving, er, I mean, “a threat”.

  113. So, if we ever get invaded by humanitarian* aliens, the safest thing to do is to takes lots of drugs so they will be afraid to eat you.

    *if you have to explain the joke. . .

  114. “they may have received horse drugs that are not safe for humans to consume (phenylbutazone, aka ‘bute.’)”

    This is true, though there’s no reason horses couldn’t be raised without that stuff.

    Horse meat was sold in Pike Place Market in Seattle in WWII. I’ve seen an old picture of the signs. The big selling point was that it was unrationed.

  115. newrouter says April 19, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Interesting to know, I don’t understand what the tie in to illegal immigration is at the end.

  116. they may have received horse drugs that are not safe for humans to consume (phenylbutazone, aka ‘bute.’)

    Bute = horse aspirin. The concerns of many over wormers being badbadbad for people are overstated, as well. The same wormers are used in swine raised for food. If were to slug down ‘bute or a wormer for animals it would probably make you pretty sick. After it is metabolized by Trigger it isn’t a problem.

  117. Absolutely true SBP, same goes for Europe. Horse meat being quite popular among some of the older generations.

  118. “humanitarian”

    I prefer the term androphagous.

  119. Ever notice how, despite refusing to eat pork, more than a few Muslims end their lives as swine? Very odd, that.

  120. Perhaps they are respecting their own sdferr?

  121. DarthLevin says April 19, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Well, defined another way, exactly enough bullet holes did count. The rest were retweets.

  122. #twittermustdie

  123. “I’m a police officer and I endorse this message.”

  124. #failwhaleisourfriend

  125. Ok, now I am wondering what the f? WaPo:

    Though he has a Massachusetts driver’s license, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan, law enforcement authorities said, and when the brothers were young they lived in that former Soviet republic in Central Asia, which is home to a small Chechen diaspora.

    On Friday, Kyrgyz officials tried to distance their country from the Boston bombings. “As the suspects left the republic when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was 8 and Tamerlan Tsarnaev 15, the Kyrgyz National Security Committee considers it inappropriate to link them to Kyrgyzstan,” security officials said, according to the Interfax news agency.

  126. I’m reading all the disclaimers from Chechnya, Kyrgyzstan, Dagestan, etc. as “Please don’t drone us Mr. Obama!”

  127. John Kerry has it on good authority that Kyrzakhstan is behind the bombings.

  128. or maybe Ketchupstan.

  129. Don’t make John “Jenjiss” Kerry angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.

  130. I wonder if they were related to Jen-jiss Khan?

  131. I don’t understand what the tie in to illegal immigration is at the end.

    The tie-in to illegal immigration is that we can’t enforce the existing immigration laws adequately, even as the pertain to legal immigrants, and now we’re going to place another 12 million people under bureaucratic oversight? That’s going to end well.

  132. Obama’s Uncle Omar got two deportation orders, the first one almost 25 years ago.

    He’s still here, and will be getting a new hearing in December.

  133. “Don’t make John “Jenjiss” Kerry angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.”

    I don’t even like him when he’s not angry.

  134. Kyrgyzstan?

    Obviously, the poor tykes were victims of early-childhood vowel shortages.

  135. Please, Kerry knows who the real culprit is: Global Warming.
    Which is why he wants us to move on from distractions like Benghazi and North Korea so he can focus on what he declared is our greatest security risk.

  136. Mark Steyn was saying on Rush’s show that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was out of the country for 6 months in 2012 (?) — which is the kind of thing that screws with your right to stay here — at least it’s supposed to.

  137. Well, you can’t just rush your training.

  138. From all of the first person reports of the good people of Boston, the PD is doing its level best to wing some of them. Umpteen people with bullet holes in their apartments, through their doors, pinging off their sidewalks, zinging through their cars, etc.

    You know, the usual.

  139. That’s why we have to leave gun ownership to the professionals. Can you imagine what it would be like if the average citizen had a gun they could use? Mayhem.

  140. It would be especially bad since the average individual would be held accountable for every bullet fired, while the police can apparently throw lead around with impunity.

  141. Way back when after 9/11 I used to read Dan Darling’s sadly defunct blog and Jason Burke about AQ, and the Chechen Wars. I was fascinated about this tiny spot on the continent and how relatively close these savages were. This led me to the Nagorno-Karabakh war, the Bosnian war, and how this assortment of jihadis were getting on the job training against the European. I read about the Pankisi Gorge and how it pierced Georgia like a hypodermic and virtually injected its virus of Salafists. The received wisdom then was that Shamil Basayev was a wholly owned subsidiary of the GRU, and as long as he was playing soccer with Georgian heads, Moscow was happy that Georgia looked east instead of north to South Ossetia. The Battle of Grozny seemed have passed most of the west by, apart of course for those at staff colleges who were determined not to repeat Russian mistakes in urban warfare. Witness the Second Battle of Falluajah. Who would have guessed back then that Chechnya would come again to remind us of savagery on a different continent entirely.

  142. Late to the party, but how pretty is your town Leigh?? There are lovely parts of Watertown. Some parts are even terrorist-free!

  143. Oh, not very Enrak. It’s more of a wide spot in the road than a town. We may qualify as a village, but I’m not certain. We average more cattle than people out here in Smallville.

  144. Our town is very, very pretty on account of the 5 inches of snow that coated all the trees and houses last night. Oh, such pretty snow! Who needs Spring and Summer? I wish it would keep snowing here forever. I never get sick of shoveling!

  145. Gosh, and I’m out of town in San Diego visiting my father, so I’ve missed all the snow.

    Darnit!

  146. Man, it’s 81 degrees here. Hideous.

  147. Given these problems of cognition it’s sometimes best to start from first principles. To figure things out from scratch. Let’s forget all our intellectual baggage for a while and just for a moment to try and understand Tsarnaev. Forget critical race theory; forget Third World perspectivism; forget Progressivism. It’s hard but maybe for a few moments we can do it and just focus on the obvious.

    Let’s imagine that you observe an ideology dedicated to your personal destruction, funded by billions and preached worldwide over the Internet and in buildings some of which are even built indirectly with government funds. What do you call it? “Right-wing Islam”. No, no no. Try again.

    link

  148. I like pretty – pretty is as pretty does, but, I’d rather have a job and afford an apartment in an ugly town, if that’s what it comes down to.

    I gotta chime in with an ugly thought: I cannot be roused to feel Boston’s pain. Some of my best friends were from Boston, but they moved to California or Arizona or Washington. No-one I know can afford to live in the city.

    And, sar guys, but watching a marathon is like watching paint dry. Folks who like watching golf, or dog shows, might like watching a marathon. But, really, who pins their eyeballs to a marathon.

    I’m wondering what the audience for this “terrorism” is supposed to be. It can’t be the world’s endomorphic jogging community, can it be? Seems as if the “terrorisms” is actually the melee of news Fubars, and the intended audience for it is the alphabet-soup-networks’ viewers.

    Just read at Drudge that Bostonians are huddling scared in their homes because of the media/police alarms. Could it be they are terrorism-ed by the alarms, and they would be perfectly safe in the corner starbucks or at the ).

    Why is the OJ Trial (remember the white bronco chase) coming to mind?

  149. Diary of a Snow Shoveler

    December 8: 6:00 P.M.
    It started to snow. The first snow of the season and the wife and I took our cocktails and sat by the window for hours watching the huge soft flakes drift down from heaven. It looked like a Grandma Moses print. So romantic we felt like newlyweds again. I love snow!!!

    December 9:
    We woke up to a beautiful landscape of crystal white snow covering every inch of the landscape. What a fantastic sight! Can there be a more lovely place in the whole world? Moving here was the best idea I’ve ever had. Shoveled for the first time in years and felt like a little boy again. What a perfect life.

    December 12:
    The sun had melted all our lovely snow. Such a disappointment. My neighbor tells me not to worry, we’ll definitely have a white Christmas. No snow on Christmas would be awful! Bob says we’ll have so much snow by the end of winter that I’ll never want to see snow again. I don’t think that’s possible, Bob is such a nice man. I’m glad he’s our neighbor.

    December 14:
    Snow, lovely snow! 8″ last night. The temperature dropped to -20. The cold makes everything sparkle so. The wind took my breath away, but I warmed up by shoveling the driveway and sidewalks. This is the life!! The snowplow came back this afternoon and buried everything again. I didn’t realize I would have to do quite this much shoveling., but I’ll certainly get back in shape this way. I wish I wouldn’t huff and puff so.

    December 15:
    20 inches forecast. Sold my van and purchased a 4×4 Blazer. Bought snow tire’s for the wife’s car and two extra shovels. Stocked the freezer. The wife wants a wood stove in case the electricity goes out. I think that’s silly. We aren’t in Alaska, after all.

    December 16:
    Ice storm this morning. Fell on my ass on the ice in the driveway putting down salt. Hurt like hell. The wife laughed for an hour, which I think was very cruel.

    December 17:
    Still way below freezing. Roads are too icy to go anywhere. Electricity was off for five hours. I had to pile blankets on to stay warm. Nothing to do but stare at the wife and try not to irritate her. Guess I should’ve bought a wood stove, but won’t admit it to her. God I hate when she’s right. I can’t believe I’m freezing to death in my own living room.

    December 20:
    Electricity’s back on, but had another 14″ of the damn stuff last night. More shoveling. Took all day, goddamn snowplow came by twice. Tried to find a neighbor kid to shovel, but they said they’re too busy playing hockey. I think they’re lying.Called the only hardware store around to see about buying a snowblower and they’re out. Might have another shipment in March. I think they’re lying. Bob says I have to shovel or the city will have it done and bill me. I think he’s lying…..

    The rest

  150. I should just sell all my ammo* and get a “coexist” bumper sticker for the pickup.

    *at the bottom of the lake, must have own salvage equipment

  151. I love that joke, Blake. Once you’ve lived it (10 years in PA) it’s actually funny again when you don’t have to dig the damned car out twice a day.

    Anyway, we don’t actually live in town. We live out in the sticks where the landmarks are the guy with the two mules over yonder and that big oak tree.

  152. Leigh, I lived in MN for over 20 years, so, yeah, I can relate.

  153. You know you are in a small town when the guy giving you directions says “turn left where the barn used to be.” (true story)

  154. Yep. I get that here occasionally.

  155. Bgbear? I’m a thinking that we should get scuba training. At least that way I could get my firearms that weren’t lost in the tragic barn fire back.

  156. Holy crap, this thing just keeps getting weirder, and weirder.

    Married, with a young daughter.

    http://tinyurl.com/blb7doo

  157. As far as this Boston shit goes? I lost 2 jobs today due to it. BOTH were supposed to come from Watertown.

    The guy is GONE you idiots!! ( I say to the po po ) Deal and find.

  158. Also? I said in the first thread that these were Muzzies…But I still believe that this was NOT let through by accident.

    There were bomb sniffing dogs and National Guard all over the train station here in Framingham…Training my ass.

  159. Gunshots again, great. Copters, sirens and booms. Send lawyers, guns, and money please.

  160. One reporterette says her source says Dzh is down.

  161. Dude is not dead. He’s hunkered in the boat surrounded by coppers.

  162. I think at this point the cops are here for his protection. There’s an angry crowd gathering on Mt. Auburn street.

  163. With his flippy floppies.

  164. Our town is very, very pretty on account of the 5 inches of snow that coated all the trees and houses last night. Oh, such pretty snow! Who needs Spring and Summer? I wish it would keep snowing here forever. I never get sick of shoveling!

    That was last week.

    Only not so pretty, what with all the downed trees and poles and power and cable lines

  165. The inch of ice before the snow may have had something to do with it.

  166. What do you folks see in the frozen tundra? Opportunity?

  167. What do you folks see in the frozen tundra?

    Mostly Swedes and Norwegians and Danes. Oh, an Icelander or two, the occassional Finn. Germans of course.

  168. Lutherans and Catholics abound, yes?

  169. Presbyterians and Methodists too.

  170. What do you folks see in the frozen tundra?

    4x4s in the ditch the morning after a snowstorm.

  171. And snowmobiles in the ditch that afternoon.

  172. “The inch of ice before the snow ”

    that’s what happens when the global warming says hi

  173. No. That’s what happens when you get either an early fall or a late spring snow storm.

    But I have heard people attempt to blame it on global warming.

  174. Got that backwards,

    late fall or early spring.

  175. Got ‘em alive.

  176. I look forward to the advent Dzhokhar’s academic career at an elite American University in 20 years.

  177. “Got ‘em alive.”

    that too is part of global warming

  178. Maybe this is what Eliot meant when he called April the cruelest month.

    Just when you think April’s warming up to you, and you’re all set to plow her field,
    the bitch turns frigid.

  179. maybe holder can recommend an attorney

  180. Look. Hicklicker sent me a form letter today to answer my email sent to him over a month ago:

    Office of Governor John W. Hickenlooper do-not-reply-gov-office@state.co.us
    Dear Gary:

    Thank you for writing to share your thoughts and concerns on the gun legislation recently signed into law. We appreciate the time you took to contact us.

    On March 20, we signed into law three pieces of legislation that we believe will help curb gun violence:

    • HB 13-1229 requires criminal background checks at federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) for all gun sales and transfers regardless of how the guns are acquired, with reasonable exceptions such as transfers between family members. FFLs may charge a reasonable fee for running background checks for private sales.
    • HB 13-1228 requires the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to collect a fee for performing an instant background check prior to the transfer of a firearm.
    • HB 13-1224 makes illegal any magazine manufactured or purchased after July 1, 2013, that is capable of accepting, or is designed to be readily converted to accept, more that 15 rounds of ammunition, limits the capacity of shotguns, and allows the continued use of any existing firearm or magazine owned prior to July 1, 2013.

    We have directed the Colorado Department of Public Safety to consult with the Office of the Attorney General and others with respect to the interpretation of HB13-1224’s large-capacity magazine ban, and then to draft and issue, to law enforcement agencies in Colorado, technical guidance on how the law should be interpreted and enforced. This work should be done by July 1, 2013, the law’s effective date.

    These laws, coupled with our efforts to improve the state’s mental health service system, will help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and make our state a safer place. It is important to underscore that these laws do not ban the safe ownership and use of guns to eligible individuals, and thereby respects Second Amendment rights. By taking these important steps, Colorado has proved that we can use common sense ideas to make our communities safer and at the same time respect the Constitution.

    Once again, we thank you for your input, and for taking the time to contact our office.

    Sincerely,

    Office of Governor John W. Hickenlooper

  181. Got ‘em alive.

    Good. He shouldn’t be too hard to break.

  182. - 2nd perp in custody. Being transported to local hospital. No info on his condition.

  183. did someone take a hickenlooper?

  184. “the-insanity-of-blaming-islam”

    i think camel urine cures that

  185. - Enormous crowd gathering in Watertown.

    - Probably lucky for him they’re getting him out of the area.

    - Area still being combed for any additional evidence or explosives.

  186. - Police spokesman – “White hat guy has been captured alive. Being transported to unknown area hospital.”

  187. What I see on the television sort of reminds me of the end of Blues Brothers.

  188. - The idiot press has announced the hospital, just to be sure the mob knows where to find him.

  189. Three more arrests in a New Bedford apartment complex where one of these guys lived.

  190. This is a photo of the car the brothers carjacked last night. See if you can see what I see:

    http://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/biozjmlcqaeogvi-jpg-large.jpeg?w=500&h=375

  191. - Mt. Auburn if anyone wants to join the party.

  192. Can we blame Islamists, or is that guilting Islam by association?

  193. - Police presser tentatively due shortly at Watertown mall.

  194. So when do they back down the police presence and let people get on with their lives?

    Like hell I’d stay in my house. Boston is the “Cradle of Liberty”? Ha!

  195. - Cops pushing the crowd back at the hospital with guns drawn.

  196. Time to celebrate with a massive game of Zombie Tag!

  197. - Cops pushing the crowd back at the hospital with guns drawn.

    David Sorota’s going to need more lotion and a fresh box of kleenex.

  198. - Father of perps told 2nd son captured. Now tells his son to tell officials everything. “Be honest”. He believes his sons were set up by someone.

  199. The fact that we don’t have a single report yet that these guys were regulars at a local gay bar convinces me that we don’t have a functioning intelligence apparatus in this country.

  200. You’d perpetrate homophobic hoax just for national security reasons?

    What kind of suck fick are you?!?!?

  201. The jihadis are already making their youtube tributes and propaganda and we’re broadcasting their fucking sobbing parents instead of how their closest friends suspected incest in the family.

  202. (I know you’re being facetious, Ernst, btw.)

  203. - Change of plans. Heading for Mass general. Probably easier to secure.

    - Aside from the irony of having him at the same hospital as the MTI cop he wounded.

  204. Fly him to Gitmo. After all, Cuba is famous for the excellence of its health care.

  205. - Presser starting. Mayor speaking.

    - Guy reminds me of Colin Powell.

  206. Deval Patrick wishes he was Colin Powell. Mainly so’s he could wear all those medals.

  207. - No. Instead they’ll run articles saying he’s rumored to be a distant cousin of Bush.

  208. Oh, dear. The Unwise Latina herself, Carmen Ortiz, is going to be running the case.

  209. Unwise Latina

    Protip: Unwise Latinas make better strippers than prosecutors. That is all.

  210. Of course, you don’t think that Teh One would put a competent attorney on this one, do you??

    Now that it is well known that these are Islamists.

  211. - Father of perps told 2nd son captured. Now tells his son to tell officials everything. “Be honest”. He believes his sons were set up by someone.

    Set up or put up? I’ll take the latter. Dad should ask his jihadi friends.

  212. It also recalls the case of the underwear bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who boarded a flight in explosive jockey shorts despite the fact that the Obama administration had been warned by many sources, including the man’s father, that he was a dangerous fanatic.

    But maybe wiser minds decided that there was really no danger in the Marathon case, the Fort Hood case and in the Underwear case since none of the suspects were “white Americans”.

    News that the Boston suspects were known to the FBI as a result of a warning by Russia can only add to the impression that they care more about The Narrative than doing their jobs. That the whole exercise was not about returning to a “state of grace” but preserving the state of the administration’s face.

    link

  213. I don’t care what you say – nobody can be pried out of bed and bothered to trudge through a perfunctory address over a matter of intense personal interest to Americans like Prezzy Obizzy.

  214. - Yeh. The idea of “peace loving Muslims” is reinforced almost every day.

  215. Won’t be much good intel gleaned from this kid. The dead one would’ve been the prize. This one will provide a show, but little satisfaction. Because, backwards cap tells me these things.

  216. “I thought they were piñatas!”

  217. Obama: “We Can’t Rush To Judgement About These Individuals Or Groups Of People”

  218. LEAD DEFENSE ATTORNEY: “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this child was led astray by his disaffected brother, who immersed him in a culture that was foreign to our American values; a culture that caused his temporary insanity. We cannot but be reminded of another American youth senselessly taken from us by wrong-thinking right wingers. You have a chance to right a grievous wrong: FREE TRAYVON MARTIN!”

  219. Obama: “Why did young men who grew up and studied here … resort to such violence?”

    I suppose he could ask his own personal friends.

  220. Carmen Ortiz is in charge. She’s awesome if you need to harass a mild-mannered computer geek into suicide, or bully a motel owner.

    On a real case? Not so much.

  221. bh: Yes, maybe a blue-ribbon faculty panel with Bill Ayers, Mark Rudd, Eleanor Raskin, and Kathy Boudin could answer this question.

  222. This also comes to mind.

  223. Obama: “We Can’t Rush To Judgement About These Individuals Or Groups Of People”

    - Hey. You gotta wait ’til the body count climbs at least past a million before you start bad mouthing my homeboys

  224. Obama: “We Can’t Rush To Judgement About These Individuals Or Groups Of People”

    Unless they voted against my theater piece of a gun control bill. Then they’re bastard people. But people who killed innocent Americans who were minding their own business? You should scratch your chin until you forget about that.

  225. I’ll bet Marco Rubio just wishes this whole incident would go away.

  226. roobs is praying for a recovery summer all his own

    good luck with that

  227. Obama: “We Can’t Rush To Judgement About These Individuals Or Groups Of People”

    Unless they voted against my theater piece of a gun control bill. Then they’re bastard people. But people who killed innocent Americans who were minding their own business? You should scratch your chin until you forget about that.

    These were confused and misguided kids, culturally adrift, no social resources —like midnight basketball leauges— to fall back on. For all we know, they were decieved and/or brainwashed into taking up anti-Islamic activism and participating in this tragic man-caused disaster.

    But the sonsofbitches who voted against the President’s sane, reasonable, responsible, common sense, balanced approach to ending gun violence while respecting the rights of gun owners?

    Evil bastards, everyone last one of them.

  228. oh criminy in all the excitement I missed hitler’s birthday

  229. There’s always Lenin’s birthday this coming Monday.

  230. Huh? Monday is Earth Day, don’t you know!

    And May 1st is Democrat’s Day, formerly known as Mayday.

  231. oh. did you guys not see this?

    that explains about the hitler’s birthday

  232. They’re back to that again, eh? For a while there, I thought we’d successfully pushed back (thanks to Goldberg’s first book and whatnot) that Hitler was only ‘right wing’ in the sense of viable German politics of the ’30s. (“You can have any flavor of socialism you want, national or international. We’ve got both kinds!“)

    ‘Cause there’s next to no overlap between Hitler and American Conservatives of the last 50 years, except perhaps a smidge of Judenhass among the paleocons. But I haven’t actually heard Pat Buchanan arguing in favor of railroad cars and ‘showers’, so even that’s kinda forced.

    For a while there, the Left had actually dialed down on the “you rightwingers, you’re like Hitler… from hell!” comparisons, when we had that long list of things Hitler did or wanted to do that American Progressives have been jizzing over since FDR’s time.

    Eternal vigilance is called for, I guess.

  233. Every day is ‘crisis day’ and ‘eat your peas’ day. The whole country smells of Chicago now.

  234. NAZI -> nickname for NSDAP

    NSDAP -> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

    In English: The National Socialist German Worker’s Party.

    Collectivist. Authoritarian. Utopian. Progressive. Just like Leftism. Allied with Socialism and enthusiastically supported by American Socialists until the breaking of the Pact of Iron.

    History shows us who the fucking liars are.

  235. Unfortunately they don’t teach history in schools any more, or if they do it’s Howard Zinn’s version.

  236. I had to follow all the news while I was working last night .

    I had to explain to a lot of my fellow waitstaff what had occurred, and “what” Chechnya was.

    Whatever. I’m glad to spread the word.

  237. Will the liberty loving residents of the town of Waterford notice that their virtual lock-down under a quasi police state yesterday didn’t result in the ostensible object of their discomfort (finding the bad guy), but that the casual effort of observation by a single man, knowledgeable of his own very local circumstances, i.e., his own backyard and property, resulted in the intelligence necessary to locate the perpetrator? That top down worked hardly at all, whereas bottom up worked almost instantly? Let’s hope so, and that the application of the micro-lesson dawns on their consciousness.

  238. Apologies Watertown. I should follow the coffee first guide to commentary.

  239. i think it was a lady who noticed sumthing

  240. Regardless of the sex of the individual as reported (thinking it irrelevant to the question), we might ask whether the fact of “noticing” might have taken place much earlier in the day had the people of Watertown been at liberty to traverse their property and environs (and therefore the perpetrator been caught much earlier in the day — therefore likewise saving the thousands of similarly situated cooped up people in Watertown the waste of the day), or whether being cooped up in the house like a chicken in a pen was necessary to allow the “noticing” to have taken place when it did take place — in which case we may have to celebrate the quasi police state condition rather than denigrate it as ineffectual in the discovery of the whereabouts of the criminal?

  241. Speaking of history, I think the casting of Hitler as a left-wing kook is fairly misplaced. Hitler was only Socialist in name, not in deed. Hitler decided he needed the initial support of the workingman to gain power, and “socialist worker’s party” was the way to get it.

    I’m open to disagreement on this, but it’d be good to hear what actual socialist policies were enacted by the German government at the time.

    I’m not going to argue counter to the socialist/totalitarian connection, because although the correlation between those two things is strong, you don’t need socialism for totalitarianism.

  242. Hitler knew that he needed the workers to be on his side but he could not allow trade unions to exert the potential power they had. Therefore, trade unions were banned in Nazi Germany and the state took over the role of looking after the working class.

    link

  243. I am wondering how many splodeydope terroristy types have noticed the lessons of LA and Boston that if you shoot a couple of cops the remaining police go nuts enough that you can bring an entire major city to a standstill.

    I then wonder if the cops realize the implications of this.

  244. I then wonder if the cops realize the implications of this.

    Would you maybe expand that Bmoe?

  245. “statists” is good enough for me. “left wing” or “right wing” means nothing, you either favor liberty or tyranny.

  246. i’m with de bear. it is like arguing which fork in the statist road takes you to hell faster.

  247. Shooting cops is a good way to create havoc and paralyze cities, if that is your goal.

  248. Bombing Innocent People at a Marathon: one more in the long list of jobs Americans just won’t do…..

  249. That rather narrows than expands Bmoe, though it’s clear enough where that one aspect of the implication leads. That wedge between the security forces of a society and the society itself has long been a motive in terrorist theory, using the security forces and measures in response to terroist acts as a ju-jitsu against the society the terrorist wishes to attack.

    But it seems like there are other implications as well, things to which the police themselves may want to pay heed — such as the friction between the publicly or legally granted powers of policing and the (de facto) assumed powers the police act upon when threatened at the death of a member of their kind (clan? tribe? class? category?) and where they seek to make an example of the wrongdoer for the edification of potential future lawman-killers. As appears in the police shooting up the innocent newspaper delivery women near Los Angeles, for instance, along with the seeming lightness with which that incident was handled after the fact. These other implications, I had thought, don’t depend on terrorist attacks as such, but upon the behavior of the police in the conduct of their vengeance of their loss.

  250. The behavior of the police often gets scant attention, especially when there is any sort of positive ending.

    Consider the denouement of this episode. There are multiple reports of an exchange of gunfire – upwards of 20-30 rounds per Fox news last night- upon the discovery of the shitbag. Yet today’s information on his capture does not seem to indicate that the shitbag had threatened or engaged anyone.

    Why the need for those shots? What kind of rounds were they? Where were they aimed.? How the hell do you miss a guy trapped in a fiberglass boat? Where did those rounds end up?

    At some point, your attempts to defend the populace can instead threaten the populace. Such events deserve as much scrutiny as the security system that did not prevent the bombing. But I doubt this specific example will get much attention.

  251. Consider the denouement of this episode. There are multiple reports of an exchange of gunfire – upwards of 20-30 rounds per Fox news last night- upon the discovery of the shitbag. Yet today’s information on his capture does not seem to indicate that the shitbag had threatened or engaged anyone.

    Exactly.

  252. These other implications, I had thought, don’t depend on terrorist attacks as such, but upon the behavior of the police in the conduct of their vengeance of their loss.

    Exactly. The police appear to be to the point that in events such as these the only safe thing to do is to lock down the city to protect the populace from the police, who then feel free to shoot on sight.

    Which means they are actually putting big targets on their own backs for folks that want to disrupt society as much as possible, or it seems that way to me.

  253. Yet in the midst of this day-long loss of freedom of movement, or at the end of it, rather, many of the video images we saw last night from Watertown and surrounding areas were of people widely celebrating the procession of the police down the avenues in triumph, cheering their saviors along, without the slightest evident concern for the darker meaning of the latitude granted (and taken by) the police with vengeance on their minds. The salient thing being, people seemed in the balance to have been happy to part with their liberty on this occasion.

    Perhaps the better part of a day isn’t a sufficient length of time to penetrate the general run of folks’ sense of irritation when under control, stirring them to backlash, or perhaps any sense of irritation they may have experienced is merely outweighed by their own urge for vengeance accomplished (even if only effected by the police and not by themselves)? And if the police fired errant shots into homes and property, well, it was someone else’s property, so nothing to be all that immediately concerned about, so far do the police find themselves from having targets on their backs?

  254. How the hell do you miss a guy trapped in a fiberglass boat?

    Indeed.

  255. …people widely celebrating the procession of the police down the avenues in triumph, cheering their saviors along, without the slightest evident concern for the darker meaning of the latitude granted (and taken by) the police…

    Mother should I trust the government?

    Hush now baby, baby, don’t you cry.
    Mother’s gonna make all your nightmares come true.
    Mother’s gonna put all her fears into you.
    Mother’s gonna keep you right here under her wing.
    She wont let you fly, but she might let you sing.
    Mama will keep baby cozy and warm.
    Ooooh baby ooooh baby oooooh baby,
    Of course mama’ll help build the wall.

    Replace ‘mother’, ‘mama’ with ‘government’ and you’ll have your answer ‘why’.

  256. …because although the correlation between those two things is strong, you don’t need socialism for totalitarianism.

    Ever caught a fish without first baiting the hook?

  257. “I’m open to disagreement on this, but it’d be good to hear what actual socialist policies were enacted by the German government at the time.”

    If you listen to socialists they will say roughly the same thing about any socialist project failure you care to name. And the Reds essentially shut down all unions but those who allied with them and then they consolidated and purged those.

  258. - The object is always maximum chaos. somewhere upwards of 9000+ of America’s finest readily obliged.

    - At one point the biggest danger was the protectors shooting each other. The mass of law enforcement did not even achieve the singular goal of keeping a badly wounded teen inside the “perimeter”.

  259. http://www.volokh.com/posts/1185254785.shtml

    “Putting the Socialism Back Into National Socialism:”

    But, ‘no true scotsman’ and all that.

  260. Socialism does not scale beyond the level of a family or very small community. It just doesn’t.

    Most families are more or less socialist (with, of course, various degrees of totalitarianism involved). Religious communities can work that way too (monasteries and whatnot).

    Once the group grows so large that people don’t know each other on a personal level, it not only doesn’t work, it can’t work.

    In humorous form:

    http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

  261. palaeo, Volokh & Co. are very good at the “No true Scotsman” stuff.

  262. Man on the street reports that the cops were on their loudspeaker last night chanting “U-S-A! B-P-D!”

    Man on the street is cool with this and thanks the almighty for the courageous cops who caught the e-vil bomber and kept their city safe!

    Are we the only ones who see what’s going on here?

  263. … but could you imagine the hue and cry if a Republican President sent the FBI to Boston and shutdown the city ?

    Michael Moore was about the only Democrat to stay in character yesterday, when he started whining about two teenagers shutting down the city of Boston.

  264. these are the same folks that brought you: ted, kerry, fauxchohantus,barneysfrank, and other miscreants. they ain’t called massholes for nuthin’

  265. Mitt Romney on Thursday said his former presidential rival gave a “superb” speech at a memorial service honoring the victims of the Boston Marathon bombings.

    “I must admit I was also very impressed with the words of the mayor, Mayor Menino, with our governor, Gov. Deval Patrick, and with the president,” Romney said, speaking on CNN’s “The Situation Room” several hours after the interfaith memorial service at which those leaders spoke. “I thought the president gave a superb address to the people of this city and the state and the nation. It was inspiring day.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/romney-obama-boston-90305.html#ixzz2R1k4jKiJ

  266. Linked at Insty.

    So lockdown is lifted because they can’t find the suspect…which allows boat guy to leave his house…and find the suspect.

  267. Cop: “You don’t like it when we bust you for speeding or loitering or disturbing the peace, but when somebody sets off bombs at the marathon and 9000 of us shut down the city to catch him, that’s when you love us.”

    Citizen: “And what’s your point?”

  268. Yep, geoff. Boat Guy will forever remain anonymous so the BPD cn glory hog it up.

    I expect President Foodstamp to give them some sort of medal.

  269. I continue to feel better and better about not voting for Mitt.

  270. @StrangernFiction: Likewise.

  271. i think mittens like this part about the ied


    Obama: “There’s a piece of Boston in me”

  272. Ever caught a fish without first baiting the hook?

    If the hook is shiny enough, or the fish is hungry enough, or if it’s just a crazy little bullhead that will jump out of the water to grab the hook, so you can throw it back, so it can jump out the water to grab the hook so you can throw it back, so….

  273. Noodling for catfish requires no bait. Just large quantities of stupidity.

  274. Well, we all know Oklahoma has a surfeit of stupidity, don’t we?

  275. Certainly parts of it. There are some enterprising fellows who have made a tourist thing of it, though. City slickers who pay large amounts of money to stick their arms into craggy holes in the river banks in hopes of dragging out the grand-daddy of all catfish.

    Catfish doesn’t even taste good, so I don’t see the point. One of my neighbors sets traps for them and just waits for them to swim in and get caught. Sort of the way people trap lobster and crab. She checks the traps every two days or so and hauls them up on her dock.

  276. I’m kidding, of course. I love Oklahoma, especially the places they used for location filming in True Grit (either version). If I ever won the lottery, I’d move there in a heatbeat.

  277. It’s cheap to live here. It’s just that we’re short on the j-o-b-s, just like everywhere else.

    I knew you were kidding, ya dockel.

  278. hooray jeans pair #2 fit ready for catfishing

  279. Since the ’68 Grit was filmed in Colorado, and the ’10 Grit was filmed in New Mexico, maybe I wasn’t.

  280. Couple of thoughts after watching the weekend evening news:

    Watching people who just spent the day sheltering in place celebrate the capture of a semi-conscious 19 year old who’d just spent the day slowly bleeding out underneath a tarpaulin in the back of a fishing boat like it was V-J Day, or at least Bin Ladin is dead and barking in hell Day, is, well, awkward.

    Secondly, these two guys should by all rights have been an American immigrant success story: good schools, great extra-curriculars, etc. These guys shouldn’t have been isolated, alienated, disaffected losers (and I’m not saying here that that’s what they were or believed themselves to be —because I don’t know what was going on in their heads). So when the public displays of chin-stroking and thumbsucking and navel-gazing get going in earnest, the question we have to ask is the question we won’t ask, because the thumbsucking, chin-stroking navel-gazers fear to know the answer. And that question is: who taught these two to hate the country that took them in?

    Because it wasn’t the mosque or Imam, or the websites and chatboards, or the Chechen/Islamist militant group(s) we’ll sooner or later learn about—at least not entirely. Those entities only taught them how to channel the hate they’d previously learned, and the ends to which it could be employed.

  281. meant to put the above in the next thread

  282. Boston marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was thrown out of his local mosque for ‘crazy’ behavior after getting involved a ‘shouting match’ with his imam according to one member of the congregation.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev was ejected from his Boston mosque for aggressive behavior after insulting Martin Luther King Jr. during a Friday prayer service three months ago.

    Described as being full of rage by a worshiper who would give his name only as Muhammad, Tamerlan was ejected from the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center three months ago for claiming that Martin Luther King Jr. was not a man Muslims should look to emulate.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312470/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Boston-bomber-thrown-mosque-raged-filled-rant-Martin-Luther-King.html

    Clearly, Tamerlan was a ‘crazy” Muslim … but he deserved to be run over by Dzhokhar, who obviously had come to his senses, for bad mouthing an outstanding brother, who happens to have a federal holiday named after him.

  283. Conflicting reports now about whether or not Tamerlan was run over by Dzhokhar or shot to death by police. The death picture of Tamerlan sure looks more by death by gunfire. He was not intubated (all that stuff is left on the body after death) so it appears he was DOA.

    Why would Dzhokhar abandon an SUV to flee on foot particularly if he were wounded? There is the whiff of bullshit about too much of this story.

  284. the lockdown made it for so everyone was part of a common narrative Mr. Ernst

    New Yorkers we’ve learned are passive unthinking sheep-like creatures at heart what fucking LOVE to be part of a common narrative – hardcore real-world brothers in the war against transfats type shit

    so maybe it’s no surprise these Boston losers get a little giddy about it too

  285. Mitt Romney sure got a big drippy shelter-in-place hardon didn’t he

  286. That might offend Romney fans if there were actually any Romney fans around here.

  287. “ain’t no hard-on like a statist hard-on, ’cause a statist hard-on don’t stop!”

  288. put yo hands up put yo hands up

  289. File this under … No shit Shakespeare

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A Massachusetts police official say the brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon before having shootouts with authorities didn’t have gun permits.

    Yet another fine example of the “Joys of Gun Control”

  290. Just means we need more gun control is all. Becuase the controls we have don’t seem to be enough.

    Making progress on the people control front though, so we go that going for us.

    /progressive elitist conventional wisdom

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