January 8, 2013

a nation divided, 13

Or, “Just how many people is Denver University Professor Brian Kiteley going to have to distance himself from, for Chrissakes?”   Historian Arthur Herman, “We’re now one step closer to America’s coming civil war”

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy…In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

“The violence puts Mrs. Kirchner in a difficult position as the poor are [her] core constituents…Her government spends billions of dollars a year to help low income families, including free health care…[Yet] Argentine activists who claim to represent the poor traditionally block access to supermarkets in the month of December to demand free food and other items […].”

Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

It’s the poor and the middle class, the very ones big government says it’s trying to protect.

And sadly that’s where Mitt Romney had it wrong.

That 47 percent of Americans who get unemployment benefits, Social Security disability checks, Medicare and Medicaid, and government student loans, aren’t the real takers. Like the rioters in Rosario, they’re just pawns in a perennial battle between those who see wealth and prosperity as something created by hard work, ingenuity, and innovation in a free market system–or something to be doled out by government.

Experience teaches that those who believe in free markets are right. The November election and the budget deal, however, show that the other side is winning, and winning big.

Since 1970, America’s public sector has exploded as a percentage of GDP, rising to almost 25% last year. While the national unemployment rate hovers at the 8% mark, government worker unemployment rate is a cozy 3.8%. Sixteen percent of America’s workforce now work for government. By the time the Obama administration ends, we won’t be that far away from Argentina’s 21 percent.

Yet as an economic and social enterprise, government creates nothing.

Far from adding to people’s standard of living, government is the number one cause of poverty in this country. It forces those who depend on its largess to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves—and increasingly resentful of those who can.

When the economy tanks and the government checks have to shrink, their only alternative is to take to the streets. That’s what happening in Argentina, and in Greece; and that’s where the growth of government is taking us here, as this current budget deal increases handouts–and more and more Americans are finding that an unemployment or Social Security disability check is their only life line.

Washington’s Republicans and Democrats alike have become the toll collectors on the road to serfdom–and the road to Rosario.

How far down that road depends on how our private sector rallies in 2013 after two numbing defeats, first on November 7 and then on Capitol Hill this week.

It needs to explain to that 47 percent that when big government wins, we all lose–and that this nation won’t survive if it does.

[my emphases]  I was listening just now to last evening’s Mark Levin show, and Levin noted that he’d been getting calls on his cell phones from various Republican members of Congress who were seeking to explain certain votes — essentially, to lobby him.  Levin, for his part, was having none of it and announced on air that he doesn’t want any of them calling his cell phone again.

And who can blame him?  Even many of those we thought supposedly staunch caved when the pressure became too great — and rather than come out and apologize for their cowardice, they instead tried to rationalize it:  heroic Republicans made sure that 99% of the country didn’t have its taxes raised (even though this is a complete lie; about 80% of Americans will see their taxes raised, and their first paychecks was a wake up call), and this, despite very little political leverage.

— You know:  like controlling the House of Representatives.

I said it before but I’ll repeat it here again:  if it plays out like it couldn’t have been scripted to go any worse for conservatives and classical liberals, chances are good that it was indeed scripted.  We knew the GOP would fold and taxes would be raised, emboldening class warfare warriors and lending cover to the validity of the class warfare argument; we knew that we would be told yet again by our “conservative” opinion outlets and spokespeople that a tax increase for “the rich” wasn’t a hill worth dying on; we knew that anger over being criticized for their feckless and pre-ordained surrender would be marshaled against the “extremists” who make up the TEA Party, a collection of John Wilkes Booths and hairy-footed Hobbits who refuse all but the most pure legislation, proof of their naivety and unnuanced worldview, and so justification for their being shunned and ridiculed.

But the thing is, there are many many of us — and because we are who we are, and we believe what we believe, we are the least likely “subjects” to accept a life of servitude to the State.  And so Herman is correct — just as I was, unfortunately, some 7 or so years ago when I predicted a coming irreparable divide — that there will be some sort of reckoning, and the United States as we’ve known it is not likely to survive.

It is the ruling class vs. the rest of us. And more than half of the rest of us are either left wing ideologues and true believers, or else useful idiots of the kind that allow mobs to rob the minority of its rights, its liberty, and its property.

These are dire times.  And we ain’t seen nothing yet, I’m afraid:  either a monetary collapse or else an attempt to tax and register all weapons owned by law-abiding citizens, will be the point of conflagration, if I had to guess.

And I believe — reluctantly — that such has been the plan the New Left has been working on all along.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 12:10pm
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  1. BUENOS AIRES—Argentina has hired a private jet for President Cristina Kirchner’s trip to Asia and the Middle East later this month due to the risk that creditors might try to seize her official aircraft. The chartered plane will cost $880,000 for the weeklong trip, or about 20% more than it would cost to travel in Tango 01, the Boeing BA 757 customarily used for presidential travel, the government said Monday. Argentina hired the same U.K.-based aircraft charter company, Chapman Freeborn, in 2010 and 2011 for Mrs. Kirchner’s trips in South America and to Europe…

    link

  2. some things are worth fighting for

  3. Which is why the GOP refuses to die on any particular hill –live to fight another day and all that.

    Only now they’ve run out of hills to die on. Now they have to fight their way out of the Valley of Death.

    Or give up the fight.

  4. And we ain’t seen nothing yet, I’m afraid: either a monetary collapse or else an attempt to tax and register all weapons owned by law-abiding citizens, will be the point of conflagration, if I had to guess.
    And I believe — reluctantly — that such has been the plan the New Left has been working on all along.

    Thing is, that’s not going to play out for them any better than any of their other unicorn dreams. Skill in rhetorical battle doesn’t translate to the real thing.

  5. Glenn Beck has been darkly hinting at Stuff He Knows But Can’t Say, that the GOP establishment actually has an overarching plan of sorts to Do Horrible Things if they’re not already doing them.

    Basically, when it gets out, the GOP will collapse like a cheap pup tent.

    I also imagine that the Dems will be pretty much guilty of the same kind of perfidy, but their constituents probably dig it.

  6. Now they have to fight their way out of the Valley of Death.

    And, not being the meanest sons of bitches in the Valley, they’re not exactly favored by the oddsmakers.

  7. I like Glenn Beck—in small doses. He tends to take himself too seriously and is always seeing sinister things under the bed.

  8. It wouldn’t help then should there happen to be many sinister things under the bed, even for so long as that particular ‘always’ has run.

  9. I was listening just now to last evening’s Mark Levin show…

    I was as well. In the opening segment he points out that we now have to constantly look to DC in order to see how our daily lives are going to be effected and then goes on to point out how it was never supposed to be this way.

    I can’t believe how bummed out I am after listening to that simple statement and realizing the truth of it.

  10. “Basically, when it gets out, the GOP will collapse like a cheap pup tent.”

    I’m sure it’s Agenda 21 related only Bush style. I say if he has anything substantial he should share it instead of playing carnival barker with it. Maybe it’s too “infowars” in origin to be believed.

  11. He tends to take himself too seriously and is always seeing sinister things under the bed.

    Wot? He hires people to make fun of him. Nobody mocks Glenn better than Glenn himself. And the sinister things under the bed are the ones that are actually there.

    What’s he seen that ain’t so?

    Or have you been listening to the morons who conflate Beck’s “these people are UP to something” with Alex Jones’ tin-foil-hat ranting? Beck is not a Truther or a Birther—he makes fun of those people incessantly.

    People on the inside of organizations come to Glenn and tell him stuff. He used to have a mole in the White House (I’m guessing secret service). Recently, gun manufacturers are calling him to say that banks are canceling their loans or some such. He started this Gloom and Doom after someone in High Finance in NYC took him aside and told him about the dangerous shenanigans going on with the money supply. So Glenn boned up on monetary theory and started warning us in 2006. (Contrary to stereotype [including the ones he’s promulgated], he’s a voracious reader of history and non-fiction and has a damned sharp mind.) He started reading verbatim from Jonah’s Liberal Fascism over the air.

    He lost listeners: “Bring back Teh Funneh!” they shouted. Station managers called him and told him to knock it off with the talk of storing food and clothes and water in anticipation of A Perfect Storm, or they’d have to replace him. His producer and business partner were extremely skeptical of where Glenn was going with all this.

    And then when stuff hit the fan in 2008, he got angry calls from friends who had lost tons of money, accusing him of Knowing Something. And then his audience got bigger because things got worse, and only Glenn seemed to have the courage to Say Why.

    Crap, leigh, if Glenn is seeing things that ain’t there, then so are Mark Steyn and Mark Levin and Jonah Goldberg and VDH and Jeff.

    So what gives? You gotta pooh-pooh EVERY assertion that I make or what?

  12. I say if he has anything substantial he should share it instead of playing carnival barker with it.

    He’s making sure the info is good before saying anything.

    Because yes, Glenn is all about Not Saying Things for 20 hours a week.

  13. I listen to Glenn but keep him in the Newsmax/Worldnet Daily column. He’s not in the infowars column but he can see it from his own column. He gives off a strong ‘Face in the Crowd’ vibe to me so I take him with salt when I take him. When he has news great. When he has ‘things that we aren’t supposed to know and he’ll tell us when the time is right’ I lose interest.

  14. You gotta pooh-pooh EVERY assertion that I make or what?

    What’s this really about, di? I told you to get a flu shot yesterday and not you specifically, everyone, I said. Now I just said I can take Glenn in small doses. I can’t listen to any of the talk radio guys for very long, so it isn’t just Glenn.

    It’s probably because I’ve been watching all of this stuff coming at us for at least 25 years and I’m not hearing anything I haven’t either heard, read or thought from any of these guys, with the exception of VDH and Jeff. It isn’t that Beck is wrong (although he is at times but arent’ we all?) it’s a matter of style.

    Glenn wants to bludgeon us with his truth. VDH and Jeff want to lead us to the truth and will admit to being puzzled, perplexed, saddened, wrong, as well as angry. Yet, VDH and Jeff both have lovely touchstones of book learning in their essays (with handy citations) to counter all the pissed-offedness. (Yes, that’s a new word.) Glenn wears me out. I get a headache listening to him.

    All that aside, you know we agree on plenty of things. C’mon, who’s your buddy? Who’s your pal? ; )

  15. Somebody wants to try to Akin-ize Hagel’s SecDef appointment.

  16. No, not the flu shot thing necessarily, but: gluten-sensitivity is mostly imaginary, PMS is just an excuse to be a Bitch for a week, etc.

    Whatevs. It’s not a problem that you cannot take Glenn except in small doses. He’s not everyone’s cuppa.

    But he takes himself too seriously? GLENN? BECK? You must not listen to the radio show.

    As for jumping at all the small noises, he’s usually right, and then he makes fun of himself for being the token paranoiac and food-hoarder. And then Pat and Stu skin him alive on the aftershow.

  17. It’s all a ruse to keep the light on Hagel and sneak Brennan’s appointment through.

    Jugear’s entire cabinet is now nothing but thugs and flip-floppers.

    And, if I hear one more newsies proclaim that Hagel ‘won’ his 2 Purple Hearts (as if it were a contest, fer Pete’s sake) I shall scream.

  18. He gives off a strong ‘Face in the Crowd’ vibe to me

    Do you know why that is? Because Obama and Soros decided that to take down Glenn, they’d make him out as Lonesome Rhodes and then watch him fall.

    Thanks for lapping THAT one up.

    I just watched that movie to see what the parallel was, and it’s WAY off. Rhodes was a drifter and ne’er-do-well from the beginning who was picked up for his folksy delivery, but in reality he HATED his fans and thought them all morons and rubes. He used his position all the better to Chase Skirt and got involved with political corruption without skipping a beat.

    He was not a man of integrity of any degree. His downfall came when he thought the mike was off and people heard what he really thought of them.

    Glenn is parallel only if he demeans and degrades his fans off-mike, only if he’s a phony through and through.

    Is he?

  19. Well, try not to take it personally. In context, I listen to people who make excuses for everything everyday and whenever a new syndrome rears its pretty little head, well there they are again. It doesn’t help that I am a skeptic of epic proportion, as well. Getting lied to all of the time will do that to you.

    I don’t listen to Glenn often. His show conflicts with another that I listen to here in the hinterlands. I’ll give it to him that when he’s good, he’s great. When he’s bad, he makes me cringe.

  20. “Because Obama and Soros ”

    I don’t think I got that from Obama or Soros Di, I got it from listening to his program and noting the similarity in format for myself.

  21. At the risk of bringing on the wrath of di, I’ve thought that about Beck, as well palaeo. I arrived at my opinion independently and it was much longer ago than when Obama became president.

  22. I don’t take it personally so much as it frustrates the bejeezus out of me when people repeat the lies that the Left tells about the right: Glenn Beck is a conspiracy theorist. He’s Lonesome Rhodes. He’s trying to do some nefarious thing. He’s bat-spittle crazy (ok, maybe that one).

    Conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones (and the cohort on Coast-to-Coast AM) believe that the secret cabal that controls everything is already in place and has been for centuries. The secret cabal is so secret that the members have erased themselves from the grid. They’re international bankers who are omniscient and omnipotent. Every black-swan event is the result of the cabal pulling strings for their own wicked purposes. They’re the people described in The Paranoid Style in American Politics.

    Conspiracy theorists maintain that NOTHING is what it seems, that every official version of a significant event is a lie, and that governments and countries are façades to mislead the proles. Their only evidence is their incandescent ability to connect the dots like no one else can. Only THEY have their eyes open. Only THEY know what’s going on behind the scenes.

    Glenn Beck started talk radio with the theory that Republicans have a stick up their butts and need to loosen up. He was wicked funny back in the day, using schtick he developed during his long years as a morning DJ. It was all clowning all the time, and he had a cult following.

    Then CNN Headline gave him the TV show in NYC, and that’s when the High Finance guy told him what the deal was. That’s when he started to bone up on monetary policy, and then Liberal Fascism came out, and he became a man on fire, trying to learn as much as he could about Progressives and their movement and what they’re still up to. I’ve watched him all throughout this transition, marveling about all the stuff he didn’t know, such as the absolute arrogance of academics and other obvious thing.

    Glenn produces tapes of people saying what they plan to do. He finds their written statements. People come and tell him what specific people and organizations are doing at a specific time. He names names. He follows the money. He makes predictions based on how this kind of thing has unfolded in the past. He consults futurists and scholars and other folks who know how these things go.

    Conspiracy Theorists can’t produce tapes, names, paper-trails, or anything like unto it. Their fundamental assumptions about How the World Works don’t overlap with Glenn’s except for the part where people need to wake the hell up.

    Other than that, Glenn and Alex Jones have no love lost between them. You should have heard Glenn talk about Jones this morning. NOT complimentary.

    He’s not in the infowars column but he can see it from his own column.

    So maybe you can provide an example of Glenn treading on infowars territory, or edging closely, and he’s barking up the wrong tree?

    Or are you just going on impressions?

  23. “Well, try not to take it personally. In context, I listen to people who make excuses for everything everyday and whenever a new syndrome rears its pretty little head, well there they are again. It doesn’t help that I am a skeptic of epic proportion, as well. Getting lied to all of the time will do that to you.”

    One question. Does the irony burn? I sincerely hope listening to people complain pays well.

  24. What’s the parallel? That Glenn is popular with ordinary people?

    Or that he’s a total phony who’s just BEGGING to be exposed?

  25. Glenn had a military combat trainer on the other day and was saying that violent video games represent combat without any consequences and suggested that kids who play with bb guns, airsoft pellets,and paintball are far less out of control that kids who play video games because bad behavior is met with instant retaliation that hurts. He was trying to tie this in as a contributory element to recent gun massacres.

    Violent video-games causing an environment that facilitates massacres is not at the level of flouride in the water causing stupidity, doctors being paid to keep your sick, and fear of so called chem-trails (contrails from planes) but it is similar in that it is a sloppy trope that feels right even if causal evidence is poor. (Not unlike D&D or heavy metal causing suicides or comic books causing juvenile delinquency.) Thus I put him in the Worldnet Daily column instead of the infowars column but I still have my doubts as to how careful or serious he is. It doesn’t help that a lot of his content is designed to lead into his testimonials sponsors such as gold line or food insurance or his made in america clothing line . He comes off as a crass promoter trying to play his audience.

  26. He comes off as a crass promoter trying to play his audience.

    Then you’re misinterpreting what’s he’s doing. He hand-picks his sponsors according to what he believes in. When GM was bailed out by the gubmint, he dropped them as a sponsor. That cost them boucoup bux and wasn’t a decision his business partners welcomed.

    Accusing him of pimping GoldLine for nefarious reasons puts you in the same category as Anthony Wiener, who literally tried to make a federal case out of it. Glenn actually believes that people ought to think about buying gold as a hedge against inflation. He does it himself. He buys his gold from GoldLine.

    He also thinks that it’s a good idea to stock up on food (it’s actually a common Mormon practice to store food), and he thinks that Food Insurance is a good company to provide such victuals. He himself stocks up on food from Food Insurance.

    his made in america clothing line

    Wherein he hires single mothers to help them stay off the dole.

    Wotta slimebag!

    Violent video-games causing an environment that facilitates massacres

    You also misinterpreted THAT.

    It’s a known fact that people have an inherent hesitation to kill another person face-to-face. It’s a known fact that soldiers who practice shooting bull’s-eyes don’t lose much of that hesitation. It’s a known fact that soldiers who practice shooting dummies with faces LOSE that hesitation to a significant degree.

    This was learned during WWI. This principle is practiced to this day.

    It is also a fact that the military uses lifelike video games to train soldiers to kill, and the more realistic the enemy, the more the soldiers lose their hesitation to kill.

    It is also a fact that Adam Lanza was obsessed with realistic first-person-shooter games. Such gaming—they assert—surely made it easier for him to shoot those people face-to-face.

    What they’re NOT saying is that violent video games make you more likely to decide to pull off a massacre, or that the games incite people to violence.

    Look, you don’t have to like Glenn Beck or agree with him, but for the sake of Pete, quit mischaracterizing what he does or says.

    THAT’s the burr under my saddle, not mere disagreement.

  27. I sincerely hope listening to people complain pays well.

    Not particularly. I’m doing consulting stuff since my health is declining.

  28. I don’t even know who Alex Jones is. I asked one day when (I think) Pablo mentioned him and no one came to the rescue.

    Is he that guy who talks to/about aliens and is on really late at night?

  29. Well, it’s nice to know that Cloward, Piven, and Ayers and those they spent decades training are not the *real* problem, Glenn Beck is.

    This is why we lose. Real problems are too scary, so we deny them and change the subject to something less threatening. So we end up infighting and ignoring the left, who are working very hard to enslave us.

    Because that’s just crazy talk.

    They’re actually *doing* it, they talk about it, they write it down for us, and we blink and call it a “conspiracy theory” a la moon landing hoax nonsense.

    And when the end of every leftist utopia comes to us, at least we won’t have deserved it because we were *uncouth*.

  30. Oh stop it. That isn’t the argument.

  31. Sinister things under the bed.

  32. It may not be the argument, but it’s a pretty damn good observation if you ask me.

  33. The point is, the article and the problem is about power and control, our society hurtling toward a physical conflict because people are so inured in their bubbles they can’t talk anymore. We document the living crap out of a long train of abuses and threats, the majority of the ignoranti don’t even see it because of a MFM near-monopoly by one player, and even purported allies don’t want to deal with anything outside of that bubble.

    And we’re arguing about *Glenn Beck*.

  34. I don’t even know who Alex Jones is. I asked one day when (I think) Pablo mentioned him and no one came to the rescue.

    Is he that guy who talks to/about aliens and is on really late at night?

    That’s George Noory.

    You can see Alex Jones in action here and here.

  35. Thanks, Mike. I’ll watch later.

  36. “You also misinterpreted THAT.”

    Nah. And I never called him a slimebag. I just said he was fast and loose and selling stuff.

  37. “Accusing him of pimping GoldLine for nefarious reasons puts you in the same category as Anthony Wiener, who literally tried to make a federal case out of it.”

    No it doesn’t and I’ve not made a federal case of anything nor sent anyone a picture of my crotch. He’s pimping gold line.

  38. “Not particularly. I’m doing consulting stuff since my health is declining.”
    Growing old. It beats all the other options, hands down.

  39. “I just said he was fast and loose and selling stuff.”
    You might want to check the side bar. There seems to be some “sellin” gonin’ on right heyah!

  40. Shoud have been “goin'” Duh.

  41. “Should” quit while I’m ahead.

  42. Is he that guy who talks to/about aliens and is on really late at night?

    That’s George Noory.

    Talks about aliens, exclusively. He goes along with his guests’ premises but only because that’s what he does. Taken together, all those guests end up contradicting each other to the point of canceling each other out.

    Noory is a pal of Alex Jones’s, but Noory has dignity and class. He’s on live all throughout the holidays because he knows that a LOT of his listeners are lonely and sad and need someone to listen to or even to call.

    He’s always kind to the loonies who call in, including the obvious schizophrenics who rant about the transmissions coming in over their fillings.

    Noory doesn’t seem to have an agenda beyond providing his guests with a platform from which to pontificate.

    Alex Jones, OTOH, is a tin-foil hat ranter at Prison Planet who has his own radio show. He’s the originator of 9-11 Trutherism. He’s a pal of Charlie Sheen’s and uttered one of the most incredible lines ever on radio: “I’ve SEEN his hernia.”

    What Glenn and crew did with THAT is some of the best radio evar.

    Jones claimed that Bilderbergers are eating gold-roated babies, and he says that Glenn Beck is a CIA agent whose job it is to obfuscate the real reasons the towers came down. (Glenn had Popular Mechanics on his TV show to debunk all the stuff.)

    I just said he was fast and loose and selling stuff.

    That’s his JOB. It’s no different from any other entertainer who pimps their sponsors. Oh hey, ever heard Prager or Hewitt or Medved provide their voices for a commercial?

    Why yes, yes I have. It’s their JOB.

    And I never called him a slimebag.

    Lonesome Rhodes was a slimebag. I made the inference.

  43. Lumping all conspiracies and conspiracy theorists together is a favorite tactic of the left. Let’s don’t do there.

    Another thing to remember about paranoia, no culture or government lasts forever- one of these days the sky is going to fall.

  44. beck laid out a fairly large agenda for the next year. the blaze news is going global.

  45. beck laid out a fairly large agenda for the next year. the blaze news is going global.

    Oh, he’s definitely ambitious and he’s GOT an agenda. He wants to be the next Walt Disney, who came up with the idea of Disneyland in 1953 and opened the gates in 1955.

    Yes. Two years from concept to premiere. Today it would take two years just to get one of the many dozens of building permits he’d have to get.

    Glenn’s not building an amusement park (as far as I know). He is determined to help us build a parallel haven for when it all comes crashing down.

  46. Lumping all conspiracies and conspiracy theorists together is a favorite tactic of the left. Let’s don’t do there.

    Exactly. Thanks, BMoe.

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  48. Glenn’s got a lot going for him, but I ultimately side with Leigh on this one. Not that I think you’re wrong for defending him, Di, since he’s definitely gotten an especially bad rap and it drives me nuts when people think that he’s got crazy just for exploring underexposed theories. Glenn goes out of his freakin’ way to find the middle ground, and he gets nothing but grief for it. Makes you pull out your hair.

    But the constant, “You must, you MUST read this,” and “We are the heart of America, hug your children. Never stop hugging!” and “That fiscal cliff deal sucked, but you know what’s worse, having sex with robots,” keeps “Pat And Stu” as the show I listen to on my spare time. But I proudly subscribe and endore BlazeTv.

    Really, my personal problem is that Glenn knows what he’s brilliant at and what he’s only good at it, but that doesn’t stop him from obsessing about what he’s good at and only sometimes doing what he’s brilliant at.

  49. Jones claimed that Bilderbergers are eating gold-roated babies, and he says that Glenn Beck is a CIA agent whose job it is to obfuscate the real reasons the towers came down.

    He’s also a UN shill because he was pimping Agenda 21, according to Jones. That boy is a kook.

  50. beck is interesting because he is taking on the mbm in real time and broadcasting it. who would you rather watch: cbsnbcabcpbsaprueters or beck?

  51. Here is a better idea: Republicans should take a page from Obama’s playbook, do what they think is right, use all the leverage at their disposal and stop worrying about the electoral consequences. If they learn anything from Obama’s victories, it should be this: Voters reward conviction politicians who fight for what they believe in — even when they disagree with them. Pandering does not work.

    link

  52. the nro crowd

    “There is something wrong with our political system on the Republican side when our field of nominees includes Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Santorum… these were not our best candidates and of course Romney was going to win because he wasn’t competing against the best people.”

    link

    we need “the best peeps” dontcha know

  53. buckley’s mag died with buckley

  54. “Then you’re misinterpreting what’s he’s doing. He hand-picks his sponsors according to what he believes in.”

    He seemed just fine with hanging on to Carbonite after what they tried to do to Rush Limbaugh over the Fluke/Slut dust-up.

    ” That’s his JOB. It’s no different from any other entertainer who pimps their sponsors. ”

    I’ve heard him do five minute near-tear intros to the pimping. I don’t like the way he does his JOB. I don’t see other people trying to do their job quite that way. It feels over the top and fake and cynically manipulative.

    “Lonesome Rhodes was a slimebag. I made the inference. ”

    Yes, you also made the inference that I must have formed this opinion of him from a Obama and Soros campaign, and that I am in the same category as Anthony Wiener for finding his gold pimping a bit on the distasteful side.

    What I said was that “He gives off a strong ‘Face in the Crowd’ vibe to me”. And he does still leave me with that impression. Maybe I should have said Arthur Godfrey or Pat Robertson on the 700 club? It’s the same sort of icky feeling I got with them, though I only ever saw Godfrey on tapes about Godfrey and how he was this super vitamin pitchman who everyone in America loved and listened to and one of the first huge mass media figures.

    I’m not calling him a criminal. I’m not calling him a flat out liar nor a full on nut like David Brock. I think I’ve been clear in my feelings about him. I like some of the news he brings and discusses. But he gives me the creeps when he turns the faucets on, and he stays on the emotionally extreme side of things too often for my taste, and that keeps me from having much confidence in him. I have my doubts about him.

  55. “newrouter says January 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    buckley’s mag died with buckley”

    Yes NR has largely turned to insipid Rovian shit.

  56. “we need “the best peeps” dontcha know”

    Yeah, Lugars, McCains, and Boehners! Oh my! Or is it Jeb’s turn next?

  57. Andrew Cuomo is warming up for the other side. Watch your large ass, Hil. He’s gunnin’ for gun control.

  58. “That boy is a kook.”

    He’s got that ‘crushed throat’ voice, and he gets the Nero dressing in wolf skins in the arena story wrong a lot. (In Jones version he dresses up like a lion and tears childrens throats out at parties. And sometimes he is Caligula too. )

    He had a bunch of guys surround Michelle Malkin in Denver during the 2008 democratic convention and they all chanted that she was a torturer and a Nazi.

    So yeah he’s a horrific idiotic dick bag who can’t shut up about Skull and Bones or chem-trails or any other stupid thing. He tried to push David Icke’s lizard hybrid stuff at one point. He’s a typical soulless Austin slacker freak who found a niche on Access TV and turned it into a media gig. Sadly KLBJ (which honorably switched from CBS to FOX News after Dan Rather did his National Guard Word Document nonsense) puts him on the air on Sundays.

  59. “Agenda 21″?

    Was ist das?

  60. Art Bell is who I was thinking this Alex Jones is. They are both nutty, it seems.

  61. we need “the best peeps” dontcha know

    Yep, and heading the list of the RINOs’ best peeps now is Jeb Bush.

  62. buckley’s mag died with buckley

    Yes NR has largely turned to insipid Rovian shit.

    Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson, and Michael Walsh are the only reasons to read that site anymore.

  63. Was ist das?

    This is Agenda 21. It’s also the title of Glenn Back’s latest book.

  64. He tried to push David Icke’s lizard hybrid stuff at one point.

    At the heart of his [Icke’s] theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.”

  65. “Art Bell is who I was thinking this Alex Jones is”

    Art Bell is more of a passive aggressive type. He’ll gently and smugly let you know how primitive and close minded the aliens, shadow people, yetis, psychic Indian chiefs, mediums, and spirits must think you are if he doesn’t like your politics or if you have actual credentials in something that is an actual regulated field of study(or was at one time). He is a new ager and I think he tried to sound like Kolchak sometimes. I think he’s off the air now and replaced by George Noori? and some other new guy who might have replaced George.

    Alex Jones is an actual shit stirrer and probably a little dangerous on the stupid side. He might get a crowd to really hurt somebody some day or start a fire or something and all the cries of ‘false flag’ in the world won’t get him out of that kind of trouble.

  66. It sounds expensive and ridiculous. Naturally, it was executive ordered on through.

  67. Agenda 21 is a real thing BTW and it IS clearly being heavily lobbied at the local state and national and international level from many different groups and directions. And it does sound pretty dystopian and sick in an HG Wells/Wilson sort of way when you read about it on the UN website.

  68. I listened to Art Bell one night when I was driving across Arizona. He was freaking me out because he did sound dangerous and so did his callers.

    “In my underground bunker here outside of Las Vegas . . .” followed by how the feds were spying on him and he was going to have to go off the air for a while and blah, blah,blah.

    I found a rock channel from Mexico to listen to instead.

  69. I think he’s off the air now and replaced by George Noori? and some other new guy who might have replaced George.

    George Noory is still there, but looking at the website, apparently there’s a guest host named John B. Wells, whoever he is. The topic of tonight’s show:

    “Filling in for George, John B. Wells welcomes the man code-named Cobra, who for 35 years has been in contact with an underground movement, resisting the dark forces attempting to control humanity. UFO contactee Rob Potter also joins the discussion about the nature of the dark forces, the havoc they have wreaked on Earth, and how the resistance movement is on the brink of a major breakthrough.”

  70. Didn’t Cobra used to be G.I. Joe’s antagonist? Guess he’s moved on.

  71. Good times, Mike. Here I thought we were over all the people who had been probed by aliens after they had been beamed up to the Mothership.

    Live and learn, I guess.

    And yes, Cobra was GI Joe’s nemesis.

  72. The truth is out there, Leigh! [cue the X-Files theme]

  73. “Gulermo says January 8, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    “I just said he was fast and loose and selling stuff.”
    You might want to check the side bar. There seems to be some “sellin” gonin’ on right heyah!”

    Does pretending I’m complaining about selling in general like side bar ads on a blog instead of the way that Glenn sells thing in particular( such as having five minute emotional appeal preambles to the actual pitch and even having the subject matter of the show gradually start to coincide with the testimonial just before the testimonial is read/performed) really accomplish much? Do you seriously believe that I find all ads or brief testimonials creepy? I’m also not a particular fan of Rush telling me about what’s going on in the world of identity theft in a twenty second anecdote as part of his Life Lock pitch but Glenn takes that sort of thing to a whole other level that turns me off.

  74. Maybe I can find a rerun of “Alien Autopsy” on SyFy one night. That’s always good for a few laughs.

    Really, all you need is Crowe and Tom Servo and you’re good to go!

  75. “And yes, Cobra was GI Joe’s nemesis.”

    He used to be a foot tall and fought the commies (1964).
    http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=CHfN3o1oISU9jig&pid=Commerce

    Then in 1976 he had a kung fun punch, so he shrank to eight inches tall wore a flashlight vest and fought a lizard who had a red flashlight built into his chest . When the lizard look a blow to the head his chest flashlight stopped working till you popped his head back into place.

    http://www.plaidstallions.com/images/superjoec2.jpg

    Then in 1982 he shrank down to 3 & 3/4″ action figure size so he could be more like the Micronauts (and Kenner Starwars figures). THAT’S when he started fighting Cobra.

    http://www.yojoe.com/images/resize/h/375/imagestore/6/38967.jpg

  76. I only know that my Barbies used to ditch Ken to hang out with the foot tall GI Joe and ride in his jeep, let him drive their convertable and snuck him into the Dream House.

  77. - Wells is the replacement quarterback for Bell because Norry is too mild in his conspiracy jargon.

    – Concerning that radio waves/filling thing, is a perfect example of some truth getting inflated to epic proportions. Yes your fillings (the mettalic ones that have gone out of favor in recent years because of mercury content) can detect radio waves directly.

    – Two cases in point:

    * Many decades ago there used to be a low frequency long range submarine communications base in Chesterland Ohio. (There was another here in San Diego as well.) One could stand on the Road ruuning by the base entrance and “listen” to the broadcasts with no equipment, and hear them perfectly clearly as long as you were close enough to the antennas (a few hundred feet generally, although some days depending on the humidity/moistue in the air were better than others.).

    – Sanguine and Harp are modern versiosn of those older radio bases used to communicate worldwide with the nuclear boomer fleet, not to “alter” the weather. But theres no money in dull communications and lots of potential books/lecture engagements in weather warfare theories.

    – During thw 60’s a amatuer radio club I belonged to was invited to tour a new small time country FM station when it converted over from AM in rural ohio. While we were doing the tour the station manager showed us how it was impossible to turn off the control room flourescent lighting when the station was on the air. This was caused by a very incomplete and limited “counter-poise” for the antenna they were using which had been hastely installed on a temporary basis. In other words no ground plane. which ment the entire facility was awash in radio energy when broadcasting. We all laughed at the demo, but within minutes several of our group began having excruciating tooth aches and had to be rushed to a local dental clinic. In a few cases fillings were actually disloged completely.

    – From this can we deduce that the sinister powers of government run amuck are controlling our thoughts, causing mass murderers to explode in sudden violence, or increasing suicides, ect.

    – Well I might nake an exception in Chicago’s case.

  78. My GI Joe had real hair, a real dog tag, and scuba gear. He used to fight sharks in the bathtub. Though he didn’t realize that’s what he was doing. Being a toy in my universe, I mean.

    Man. Somebody could write an existentialist/absurdist masterpiece using just that prompt.

    GO!

  79. Didn’t GI Joe originally have a scar on one cheek?

  80. My talking GI Joe had such a scar. You’d pull a ring sticking out of his creepy war-tunic with the scary red and black arrow of mars symbol on it, and he’d say “All for One! And one for all”. Then I guess he’d go fight Richelieu with a duelist’s foil or something. I had an M-14, an MP-40 grease gun, and an M-1911 .45 for him. Which was kind of backward for the 1970’s.

    http://wemeantwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/talking-gi-joe.jpg

  81. For those interested in kook-watching: this is Alex Jones near the Denver Mint in 2008 shouting down Michelle Malkin with a mob of weirdos and running afoul of Steve Green and other PJTV people.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3b_1285447541

  82. That toy line got WEIRD in the 70’s just before the Super-Joe shrink down.

    http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/8/8/1/8/4/webimg/617441367_o.jpg

    http://www.plaidstallions.com/hasbro/joe.jpg

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