December 28, 2012

“Michael Moore: ‘Calm Down, White People, and Put Away Your Guns’”

Michael Moore is down for the struggle.  And some of his best gophers are black. So.

CNS:

Documentary-maker and liberal activist Michael Moore said the reason for mass shootings in the United States is largely due to fear and racism, and on Christmas Eve he pleaded,  “calm down, white people, and put away your guns.”

In ablog post entitled “Celebrating the Prince of Peace in the Land of Guns,” while still calling for stricter gun-control laws, Moore said such laws will not stop mass killings because of “who we are” as a nation.

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“This probably shouldn’t come as a surprise to us as we are a nation founded on genocide and built on the backs of slaves,” said Moore, a multi-millionaire filmmaker with an estimated worth of $50 million.

Three things, according to Moore, make America unique in its violence: poverty, “fear/racism,” and the “me society.”

“We’re an awfully fearful country considering that, unlike most nations, we’ve never been invaded,” he said.  “Why on earth would we need 300 million guns in our homes?”

“I get why the Russians might be a little spooked (over 20 million of them died in World War II). But what’s our excuse?” Moore said.  “Worried that the Indians from the casino may go on the warpath? Concerned that the Canadians seem to be amassing too many Tim Horton’s donut shops on both sides of the border?”

“No. It’s because too many white people are afraid of black people,” he said. “Period.”

Ah, so that’s the reason for all the guns.  Fear of the black man, one of which has now twice been elected President.  Not, as Moore himself notes (but is simply too fat-headed to understand), “unlike most nations, we’ve never been invaded” (he’s wrong, but in degree we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt) — and that the fact our private citizens own 300 million guns may have something to do with that, from the standpoint of a deterrent to hostile invaders intent on a full-scale takeover.

Except, I take that back.  Moore knows this all too well.  But he’s developed a persona — and that persona has made him a wealthy man, playing as it does on white guilt and carefully-contrived faux populism.

Moore, I’m convinced, is an elaborate hoax — the “Michael Moore” character having proven so lucrative to the lard-soaked Michael Moore that everything he now says and does to stir the pot of public sentiment against the country is done cynically and with his own financial interests in mind.

After all, here’s a guy who talks about the plight of the impoverished and yet is notoriously stingy with his own money; similarly, his latest anti-gun / genocide / racism screed is accompanied by the fact one of his bodyguards was once arrested at JFK for carrying a firearm without a NY license.

“Michael Moore” says one thing; and yet Michael Moore does another.

This, friends, is a pattern all too familiar among the faux populists and the political and financial elite.   That so many people are gulled by it shows just how successful the long march through the institutions — which has produced a toxic mix of citizens who believe themselves educated and entitled and convinced about the villainy of capitalism who are, in fact, too stupid to recognize their own useful idiocy.

In fact, they seem loud and proud of it.

It would be funny, were it not so incredibly sad.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:34am
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Comments (176)

  1. he should Google the War of 1812 … never invaded ?

  2. In theory, if I didn’t know the police would protect me and keep me safe from harm, I would want a gun to protect me and mine from hobgoblins and bugbears coming around in the middle of the night looking for a bit of the ol’ ultraviolence –followed by the in-out in-out, naturally— and I wouldn’t care what color they were, anymore than I would worry about not being able to drop the first one within three shots.

    It’s not that I worry the hobgoblin will get away, you see, Mayor Bloomberg, it’s the thought that his droogs are back of him on the staircase that I worry about.

    And my girls don’t deserve to get raped to death because I could only drop the first couple of bugbears with my three “clips” of high capacity explosive assault bullets.

    But Thank Big Brother that I do know the police will be there to protect me and mine from wanton rape, murder, arson and rape. So I know those things never happen, except at the hands of anti-Party agents working for Guilder. Because Oceania has always been at war with Florin.

    I’ve been saved by the State!

    Hallelujah!

    Where the whiskey Victory Gin?

  3. “he should Google the War of 1812 … never invaded ?”

    I seem to recall numerous incursions between 1861 and 1865 as well.

    Not to mention the Battle of Attu. That probably doesn’t count because the descendants of the people who lived there are Palin voters.

    “Concerned that the Canadians seem to be amassing too many Tim Horton’s donut shops on both sides of the border?”

    I can’t imagine Michael Moore being “concerned” about this, no. Ecstatic, maybe.

    By the way, Mikey: the Canadians don’t own Tim Hortons (no apostrophe) any more. It was bought by Wendy’s, then later spun back off.

    It’s incorporated in Delaware, which (unless Howard Zinn’s version of the War of 1812 is even stranger than I think) is still part of the United States.

  4. Do you mean to tell us Jeff, the Michael Moore is the poor man’s, the working man’s, George Soros?

    Holy Koch brothers Batman!

  5. The bodyguard story is is almost 8 years old but, the point still stands.

    Hawaii? maybe cause they never stepped out of their planes it doesn’t count.

  6. I guess I’d count Hawaii as an attack rather than an invasion myself.

    The Japanese put troops on the ground in the Aleutians.

    Pancho Villa invaded New Mexico, too, and I believe there were a few other minor incidents over the years.

  7. fixed it, bgbear.

  8. An invasion of the land mass by other people is, of course, quite beside the point.

    Those who wish to control others want to take our guns because they want to do things to us that we would not allow if we had guns… H/T to L. Neil Smith at TLE

  9. I fully realize that Moore is impervious to reality, but somebody needs to show him the stats on black-on-black and black-on-other violence. For example:
    http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_06.html

  10. You can’t bring up black on black crime or black on other crime, rjacobse. It’s raaaaaaaaaaacist.

  11. Reality is raaaaacist, leigh.

  12. ” They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.”

    A chill ran up my spine when I read that. Assault kitchen knives. They are practically military grade swords!

  13. Only the hammer forged high-carbon steel ones.

  14. rjacobse,

    There is a slightly expanded analysis of those data at the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.[..]

    In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites

    It would be great if Michael Moore lost some fat from around his orbits; he might then be able to read that it is in fact black people who are killing black people at an extraordinarily disproportionate rate, and they should be the ones in need of calm. It is such a shame Michael Moore ignores the plight of black people.

    Do you think Michael Moore could be a racist?

  15. “Reality is raaaaacist, leigh.”

    True that.

  16. “Assault kitchen knives. They are practically military grade swords!”

    The Japanese make highly coveted kitchen knives of finest steel.

    I blame the Japanese for the epidemic of knife crime world-wide.

  17. Surgical steel and stainless steel lasts longer and has far less corrosion but are harder to sharpen and thus usually duller.

    Steel alloys closer to carbon rich soft “grey” cast iron are much easier to sharpen but loses its edge quickly and usually subject to corrosion which requires constant resharpening. Then you have stuff like serration that lets you use stamped steel to get similar cutting ability in a cheaper knife.

    And there are those ceramic santoku and paring style knives that cut really well but the blade can chip and shatter if mistreated.

    Wasn’t a desire to disarm drink dinner guests who might slash at each other the whole motivation behind our modern silverware? Now we need to disarm the chefs too?

    All you really need is a piece of glass or a box cutter to mess someone up bad or even kill them.

  18. If you read through the comments on the original Front Page Magazine story, or click through from there to the BBC story about the proposed knife ban, you’ll see that it’s a more than seven year old story.

    The larger point about unintended consequences stands. But FPM’s Daniel Greenfield was as either careless or a douche.

  19. He’s a little on the careless order Ernst. Still, FPM is one of the best resources for documentation heavy information.

    Their “Discover the Networks” is invaluable for finding linkage between individuals and their various propaganda arms.

  20. He’s a little careless at best, leigh. If he doesn’t hurry up and rework his essay to put the proposed ban in context, and fix his chronology (robbery at knife point was up 10% in 2011, not “this year”), I’m going to have to go ahead and assume the worst.

  21. Send him an email. They don’t work on the weekend over there, so it’ll be after the new year before he fixes it.

  22. Here are the current knifey rules what I just risked being scroogled to get. God bless those poor Bothan spies.

    https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife

  23. I posted a comment. If it get’s corrected, fine and dandy, if he gets weasely about it, I’ll know he’s a crapweasel, and treat his work accordingly.

  24. Keep us posted on what he does. I usually don’t read his stuff since his is a little breathless. Chicklike, IFYKWIMAITTYD.

  25. “Wasn’t a desire to disarm drink dinner guests who might slash at each other the whole motivation behind our modern silverware? ”

    I hadn’t heard that, but I know that in Renaissance Italy it was good manners to keep your elbows on the table (the exact opposite of our current practice). In fact you were required to keep your hands in sight at all times.

    “All you really need is a piece of glass”

    Or hell, just a rock of the proper type. Ask Homo habilis.

  26. Speaking of 2008, I remember when some loony twerp on a TownHall (Kevin McCullough) blog was telling everybody that the video game Mass Effect was a graphic porno-space orgy rough sex S&M simulator. (Because it had an hilariously lame/stupid “love scene” with some side boob in it). He had never played it or anything but decided to use his imagination and tell everyone all about it anyway. The game had been out for months when he wrote about it, so he had no real excuses when he wrote:

    It’s called “Mass Effect” and it allows its players – universally male no doubt – to engage in the most realistic sex acts ever conceived. One can custom design the shape, form, bodies, race, hair style, breast size of the images they wish to “engage” and then watch in crystal clear, LCD, 54 inch screen, HD clarity as the video game “persons” hump in every form, format, multiple, gender-oriented possibility they can think of.

    And of course it was all bullshit. Mass Effect was actually an enjoyable if clumsy blend of rpg/third person sci-fi shooter that was trying to bring back 80′s synth music and rip off Babylon 5, Star Wars, and Battle Star Galactica for inspiration along the way. It had brief love scenes in it at one point which were soft PG-13 at worst. The big draw was supposed to be that conversations in the game looked more real than anything seen in a video game before (very debatable) and almost looked like real TV footage (again debatable) thanks to the power of the Xbox 360 and the unreal engine. It was an impressive game for its time if you could stand all the data-loading being hidden by comically long elevator rides throughout the game and the rather terrible APC shooting gallery parts.

    But some McCullough thought it was the raunchiest porn game ever made and blogged about it in hysterical terms saying that we needed to stop video games like this because they will turn men into porn hounds and possibly rapists.

    ( Oddly there was a PC game called Rapelay from Japan that sort of did fit this description (from what I’ve heard) in that it was intended to be a violent sex simulator for prurient consumption. Nobody ever said boo about until later on when someone told amazon.com about it and they stopped selling it. It was not an rpg/sci fi cover shooter with one love scene. It was a rape simulator- whatever that is- where you apparently played a rapist holding a woman and her daughters captive and doing simon-says like activities and if you did them wrong the girl would kill you. Which sounds pretty awful to me, but then it was made expressly for slapping your oscar to and I guess some desensitized people need dark subject matter to spank to. And a rape simulator is not rape. Most people probably CAN tell the difference between a game and reality just like they could with rap music, heavy metal, D&D, comic books, and if you go far enough back jazz and blues music. )

    Some panel show on Fox (Fron Desk Live? I think?) unfortunately picked the blog-story up, didn’t check it, and had several guests including a behavioral psychologist self-help author pitching her book all dumped on the game without ever playing it or knowing what they were talking about. they also had game journalist/promoter Geoff Keighly on and they pretty much ignored him when he told them that they were totally wrong about the game and kept bitching about what they had heard about the game.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

    Angry video game players found her book on Amazon and gave it low review ratings many of them saying “I never read it or anything but it sounds like garbage and smut to me.” She later apologized for complaining about the content of a game she had never played or seen first hand and assuming that the complaints she was fed were accurate.

    And before Slippery gets into a “Lol FAUX news” tangent please remember CBS and their ‘fake but accurate’ national guard documents from the 1970′s that turned out to have been written in a recent version of WORD, and NBC playing around with audio from Zimmerman’s phone call to the police just before the Trayvon Martin shooting. This is not a problem unique to Fox News. At all.

  27. By the way, Moore is absolutely a hoax. That conservative dude Evan whatshisname did an ambush interview on him a few years back and Moore let the mask slip.

    He was actually amused that the dude had turned one of his own techniques against him and complimented the kid on his chops.

    Moore is totally about the money.

  28. “Wasn’t a desire to disarm drink dinner guests who might slash at each other the whole motivation behind our modern silverware? ”

    The story of that transition is found in this book.

  29. Mikey’s Moore needs to do an exposé on Leisure Suit Larry, chop chop!

  30. Moore, I’m convinced, is an elaborate hoax

    Michael Moore is the after picture of Al Gore on steroids (without the weightlifting cus he’s lazy).

  31. I wish you were right Danger. But I’m from MI and know he is all too real.

  32. ”They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.”

    Uh, I spend a fair amount of time in the kitchen and the knife I use far more than any other is an 8″ chef’s knife. Very pointy, it is. But then, I kill spiders with an AK-47, so maybe it’s just me.

  33. I use my 8″ chef’s knife more than any other, as well. Obviously those chefs are using the 10-12 inch knives and lying about it.

  34. I like a cleaver. God knows what they would think of that.

  35. They’d think you were one dangerous mutherfucker, BMoe.

    I have a cleaver, but it’s an heirloom from the FIL’s days as a butcher.

  36. I will be surprised if Moore isn’t a Senator soon. I can see it now, the Franken, Judd, Moore, Affleck caucus.

    Lord save us…

  37. Rome got the whole horse, we get just the horse’s asses. Damn.

  38. We can’t have the other end, geoffb, lest it tell us the truth.

  39. and that the fact our private citizens own 300 million guns may have something to do with that, from the standpoint of a deterrent to hostile invaders intent on a full-scale takeover.

    Yes, no citizenry with light arms has ever been conquered. It has nothing to do with Mr. Pacific Ocean and Mrs Atlantic Ocean.

  40. Mr. Pacific Ocean was one hell of a deterrent on 7 Dec. 1941, I tell you.

    Really, that’s the kind of thing said by somebody stupid enough to think Tina Fey was killer about Sarah Palin, Siberia and front porches.

  41. I didn’t know Switzerland was on its own continent.

  42. I don’t remember where I read it, so I can’t give a cite or the actual numbers, but I read an anecdote about Kaiser Wilhelm II reviewing Swiss soldiers. The Kaiser asked a ranker, what would the Swiss do if he invaded with an army of 100,000 (the size of the swiss army —again, I don’t remember the actual numbers). The soldier replied, “every man would fire once your majesty.” So the Kaiser asked what would they do if he invaded with 200,000. “In that case, your majesty, every man would fire twice.”

    Don’t hold me to exact quotes there.

  43. This is not a problem unique to Fox News. At all.

    Actually, the Mass Effect blunder is one of the few outcries against Fox News I’ve been able to confirm. Most of the other accusations against FoxNews seem to be of the “everyone knows” handwaving. Then they pretend they’re clever by chortling about “FauxNews” and so on.

    Fox is just another 24/7 news organization that follows the same cycle/habits that other groups use. Except it airs some conservative views so that sets off the Emmanuel Goldstein-esque eternal “two-minute” hate the progs use so much.

  44. Yes, no citizenry with light arms has ever been conquered.

    Which is why Afghanistan has been repeatedly conquered by greater military powers.

  45. Slaphead is nearly as ignorant of history as Michael Moore, apparently.

  46. Slaphead is nearly as ignorant of history as Michael Moore, apparently.

    Also current events.

  47. Yes, no citizenry with light arms has ever been conquered. It has nothing to do with Mr. Pacific Ocean and Mrs Atlantic Ocean.

    Reached for comment on their reservations, a number of Indians noted that, “Fuck you, douchebag.”

  48. … *squalid* reservations with nasty casinos and stupid feathers

  49. I bought a tactical battle hatchet. A machete is next. See how we are?

  50. i bought a fold-up shovel and an air horn

  51. *sigh* Do you mean an entrenching tool? I hope you got it at Army Surplus. The ones they sell at WalMart bend.

    Get some flares and a first-aid kit.

  52. And what was the status of gun ownership in Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Italy, Ukraine, Austria, etc.

    In your weird little world, seas provide no protection what-so-ever. Zero.

  53. It sure protected the native American peoples didn’t it, idiot?

  54. It totally protected the FUCK out of Japan. And ancient Briton…

  55. One of the big problems trying to invade Afghanistan is it is land locked.

    Do you know what land-locked means?

    Do you understand how having ports and naval access works?

    If you aren’t sure, try to find a native American and ask him how much protection the oceans gave them.

  56. The Atlantic totally stopped us at Normandy too.

  57. Why are you here, slipshod? You are not wanted.

  58. Duuuurrr…what’s a landing ship? What are ekranoplans and why did the Russians get so interested in them in 60′s, 7o’s and 80′s? How do LCAC’s work and what do they do? DURRRRR…

  59. palaeo – so you agree. Seas are zero protection.

    You realize that the oceans protected the native americans for 10,000 – 20,000 years, right, idiot?

    It’s just hilarious to argue with you guys because you just refuse to admit the very most basic facts. I mean, it’s you’re saying that if an invasion has ever happened across a sea then seas offer no protection. But no country with an armed citizenry was ever conquered, except all that ones that were, but guns.

  60. You aren’t arguing with us, slippery. But I am glad you are entertained.

  61. Yep.. Oceans. No protection at all. None. Zero. Normandy – just a cake walk. I mean putting 50,000 guys on troop transports is way easier than marching across land. Their little buckets aren’t vulnerable at all. Amphibious assault is, like, the lowest risk thing a military can do.

  62. oh. yeah I got a walmart entrencher but I’m back in normal climate

  63. Its like trying to explain algebra to someone and they are calling you an idiot for trying to do math with letters.

  64. You realize that the oceans protected the native americans for 10,000 – 20,000 years, right, idiot?

    really like tribes don’t go to war with each other?

  65. “palaeo – so you agree. Seas are zero protection.”

    Do you actually think Seas offer any significant protection or anything like sufficient protection against invasion? Do they protect us from getting trade goods? Contraband? What makes them such a barrier and how is this barrier prohibitively difficult to surmount given that it has been surmounted multiple times since the bronze age (at least) ? Your assertion is quite hilariously stupid.

    Please attempt to answer my questions before you try any further lame bullshitting about supposed “facts” based solely in your own ignorance. Do you know what a landing ship is. Do you know what an LCAC is? Do you know what an ekranoplan is and why they were so popular with the Russians during the height of the cold war?

  66. car in helps the turtles and mr geoff is known to be kind and I helped one cross a road in Vicksburg awhile back

    I thought that’s what everyone did

    people suck

  67. “Normandy – just a cake walk”

    How did it end? How long did it take? How much of a barrier was it? Hitler thought it was a HUGE barrier but how did that BRAIN SCIENCE of his actually work out? What invasions have the ocean stopped cold? How’s it feel to be such a moron ? Meanwhile, WHAT STOPPED THE NAZIS AND DROVE THEM BACK OUT OF RUSSIA?

    I bet you think it was oceans right ?

  68. I have always stopped and helped when I could, learned it from my Dad.

    Truly sad to hear that seems to be unusual.

  69. The reason North America avoided invasion for so long is no one had any reason to believe it existed.

  70. “You realize that the oceans protected the native americans for 10,000 – 20,000 years, right, idiot?”

    Protected them from WHAT attempted invasion exactly?

  71. Well fuck it. Let’s defund the military and call it day. We got two oceans! Win!

  72. Do you actually think Seas offer any significant protection or anything like sufficient protection against invasion?

    Yes, they offer significant protection. Landing on Normandy was a big deal. We took huge losses. The whole notion of having to establish a beach-head means that sea invasions have often failed, and the invader is forced to use overwhelming numbers. To suggest that seas offer no significant protection is just retarded. Go do some reading.

    Do they protect us from getting trade goods? Contraband?

    They would, if we set out to sink ever container ship that approached our shore. Why do you even bring up shipping as an example to demonstrate how easy an amphibious invasion is? It’s nonsensical.

    What makes them such a barrier and how is this barrier prohibitively difficult to surmount given that it has been surmounted multiple times since the bronze age (at least) ?

    They’re a barrier because people can’t walk on water. You can’t drive a tank or charriot across the ocean. Attempting an amphibious assault, esp between two fairly equally matched adversaries, is a very high risk maneuver. You can easily lose your entire invasion force. Retreat is problematic. Weather is much more of a deciding factor. It doesn’t make it impossible, but it makes it harder. Right?

  73. what needs to happen is when the turtles reach adolescence they should be exposed to a substance what imbues them with extraordinary skill in the martial arts

  74. ” To suggest that seas offer no significant protection is just retarded”

    What was significant and sufficient about protection that failed to protect? The guy who counted on that protections was wrong.

    “They would, if we set out to sink ever container ship that approached our shore. ”

    False. Too much ocean and coastline. I asked about shipping and contraband because that is the same means soldiers often use once they have successfully neutralized the stuff you think will magically sink any ship coming towards shore.

    “They’re a barrier because people can’t walk on water.”

    No. We have stuff that walks on water. We have since the bronze age. Try again.

  75. What invasions have the ocean stopped cold?

    Because you’re too fucking stupid to use Google?

    In 5 seconds, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan

  76. If you were going to invade Brazil from the US, would you march all the troops and supplies down through Central and South America overland or would you load them on boats and sail down the coast?

    Or would you hide them in shipping containers?

  77. What was significant and sufficient about protection that failed to protect?

    Christ you’re dumb. Because in your mind if it ever once failed, then it’s completely useless every single time. I mean shit, castle walls worked some times, and failed some times, but there were a fuck load better than no walls at all. Sometimes high ground helps win a battle. Sometimes the people with high ground lose, but in your world, you might as well always attack from a lower point because high ground doesn’t work every single time.

  78. 5 seconds to link it, maybe. It takes a little longer to actually read it and find out who the real dumbass is.

    Dumbass.

  79. Explain bee – I’d love to hear the how you brilliantly deduced that the ocean didn’t help protect Japan at all.

  80. “Christ you’re dumb.”

    No, I just know that the protection you are trying to make sound so impressive like a got fucked over really quick.

  81. “Explain bee – I’d love to hear the how you brilliantly deduced that the ocean didn’t help protect Japan at all.”

    He didn’t. He just knows that the protection offered by oceans is unreliable and has been surmounted many times. Thus depending on it to protect the US is hugely retarded. That’s why you have moved your goal posts of +3 stupid to ” oceans offer no protection at all” instead of “oceans protect better than small arms” where you had them initially. But no one has taken your stupid switch seriously and have continued to pound on your asinine “ocean’s protect better than small arms” thesis with history showing that ‘no, they fucking do not’.

  82. “but in your world, ”

    In my world, layers of defense are better than counting on one, especially one that is so easily defeated.

    You are proposing that guns in civilian hands are not a reliable layer of defense and will not cause a reduction in protection and that the ocean is a reliable layer of protection that should allow for a disarmed populace with no hit to discouraging invasion. Which is stupid.

    Or does your child like cartoon mind think that I want the oceans dried up because they serve no defensive purpose in your stupid leftist cartoon version of my argument that oceans ain’t enough and don’t do the job reliably by themselves and we have no possibility of establishing absolute coastal security?

  83. Blockaded ports do those in port no good.

    See: War Between the States. The South was as good as done when the North blockaded their ports.

  84. “Yes, no citizenry with light arms has ever been conquered. It has nothing to do with Mr. Pacific Ocean and Mrs Atlantic Ocean.”

    “Because in your mind if it ever once failed, then it’s completely useless every single time. I mean shit, castle walls worked some times, and failed some times, but there were a fuck load better than no walls at all. Sometimes high ground helps win a battle. Sometimes the people with high ground lose, but in your world, you might as well always attack from a lower point because high ground doesn’t work every single time.”

    And so the idiot defeats his own argument.

  85. why are you people arguing about oceans as a means of national defense with this moron? Even if e had a mile-high dirt berm, the ability to blast a hole in sloppyslope’s skull would be reason enough for citizens to have firearms.

  86. We gotta ban assault oceans. Oceans kill more people each year than Abe Vigoda and Kentucky Fried Chicken put together!

  87. Ships are weapons of mass destruction! Only the police and military should have the ability to cross oceans!

  88. How many children must be passed through the um..watery fires… of Dagon and Forsetti before we see the light? ! You can’t even drink salt water! This country is obviously under sway of Big Ocean lobbyists! And the Koch Brothers!

  89. I wonder if Slippery has noticed yet that when “the crowd” doesn’t unthinkingly accept his dumb reframing of the premise his arguments are revealed as utterly stupid. He thinks this shit act of his is shimmering reality bubbles. Hah!

  90. I have a natural right to my life, and the defense of it. Guns make us all equal from a defensive standpoint. They allow the old, weak, and few to defend themselves against the young, strong, and numerous. Taking away guns takes away my right to defend my life.

    No other argument is necessary.

    You are letting slipshod set the terms of argument. You are giving in to him by doing so. Telling him to fuck off is the only response he deserves.

  91. Hi, Abe! How was your Christmas?

  92. Hi Leigh! Xmas was good except for spilling coffee on my laptop. Now some keys don’t work and I have to actually copy and paste some letters.

  93. That bites. But, electronics should be on sale soon. You can upgrade.

    I hope the weather wasn’t hideous. Did you go see the folks?

  94. The weather hasn’t been bad. I like snow, especially at Christmas. I almost feel sorry for people in warm climates … for about a week.

  95. We were supposed to get a white Xmas, but it missed us and ended up in Dallas instead. That’s okay, though. We’ll get snow later since it was flurrying yesterday and made a good excuse for a fire in the fireplace for the last week.

  96. A tyrant’s law is no law.

  97. the blood of the martyrs will water the meadows of france!!

  98. A social contract is between two parties and contains due consideration, consent, and limitations. A social work order is merely unilateral trash that need not be followed and may be subverted according the needs and discretion of its recipient.

  99. You are proposing that guns in civilian hands are not a reliable layer of defense and will not cause a reduction in protection and that the ocean is a reliable layer of protection that should allow for a disarmed populace with no hit to discouraging invasion. Which is stupid.

    Oh, I see, you’re arguing against a bunch of stuff that I never said. My only statement was that oceans provide *some* defense. The Pacific and Atlantic oceans may have contributed *something* to no one invading (or attempting to invade) the US in recent history.

    I never said that an armed population does nothing for defense (I did say that armed populations are not a certain defense though, as they have been defeated). I did not state that, because of oceans, we should disarm the population. Find where I said anything like that.

    You, on the other hand, argued repeatedly that oceans offered no defense – which you now seem to be backing away from. Congratulations. You can learn. That sets you apart around here.

  100. Holy shit is this guy an idiot.

  101. “Oh, I see, you’re arguing against a bunch of stuff that I never said. ”

    You are arguing a bunch of stuff that nobody else ever said. Abut the only thing you EVER argue is stuff nobody actually said. And you know it too you stupid dishonest little fuck.

  102. You, on the other hand, argued repeatedly that oceans offered no defense”

    Nope. That was your shitty cartoonish interpretation.

  103. The zero protection argument came for you, while you were LYING to try and promote your seas ? amall arms bullshit. Observe:

    “In your weird little world, seas provide no protection what-so-ever. Zero.”

    As you and everyone else can PLAINLY see, that was own bullshit. It was what you typed in your silly cartoonish sarcastic straw man. You merely assumed that someone had signed on to it when they argued against the oceans being what defended the US instead of small arms.

    No one is backing away form anything. Your ‘oceans defend us while small arms can’t check out Poland and shit’ argument is still stupid as hell. I’m proud to let you know it Slippery. Your zero protection strawman was stupid as hell too.

  104. Just how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your gun-free utopia, Slappy?

    Be specific.

  105. “(I did say that armed populations are not a certain defense though, as they have been defeated).”

    Yeah. Just like the oceans aren’t a certain defense, or even a very good one. I already pointed that out in the post where I showed you defeating your own initial argument.

  106. He’s an insufferable moron, Abe.

    Slipshod, that’s pretty rich. You of all people screaming “J’accuse!” at others. You douchebag. All you ever do is insist that others have said things they have not, move your goalposts, and try to have it both ways.

  107. So in response to:

    It has nothing to do with Mr. Pacific Ocean and Mrs Atlantic Ocean.

    I got:

    Mr. Pacific Ocean was one hell of a deterrent on 7 Dec. 1941, I tell you.

    Reached for comment on their reservations, a number of Indians noted that, “Fuck you, douchebag.”

    If you aren’t sure, try to find a native American and ask him how much protection the oceans gave them.

    What invasions have the ocean stopped cold?

    So excuse me for thinking that you were indicating that oceans offer no (or practically no) protection. I only thought you were saying it because many of you were, actually, saying it.

    And these came after clarifying, repeatedly, “Are you really saying oceans offer no defense???”

    So unlike you, I was actually responding to what you were saying, not some characature of made up shit that you never said.

    But again, you now seem to accept that oceans offer some defense, and it only took 112 comments! That’s how thick you are.

  108. But again, you now seem to accept that oceans offer some defense, and it only took 112 comments! That’s how thick you are.

    You’re a fucking buffoon. T hat you think there’s anyone in America who doesn’t know that the oceans have offered something of a buffer is hilarious.

  109. ” slipperyslope says December 29, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I did not state that, because of oceans, we should disarm the population. Find where I said anything like that.”

    Yeah, okay. Easy peasy.

    —————————-

    “slipperyslope says December 29, 2012 11:59 pm
    ***and that the fact our private citizens own 300 million guns may have something to do with that, from the standpoint of a deterrent to hostile invaders intent on a full-scale takeover.***

    Slippy: Yes, no citizenry with light arms has ever been conquered. It has nothing to do with Mr. Pacific Ocean and Mrs Atlantic Ocean. ”

    ———

    “slipperyslope says December 29, 2012 12:04 pm
    And what was the status of gun ownership in Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Italy, Ukraine, Austria, etc.
    In your weird little world, seas provide no protection what-so-ever. Zero. ”

    ———–

    “slipperyslope says December 27, 2012 at 8:50 pm
    I like guns too. I’m just having trouble liking the fact that I like guns – so I plan to punish all of you for my guilt through draconian legislation.”

    ———-

    “slipperyslope says December 27, 2012 at 3:00 pm
    It takes only 13 states saying no to stick it up your ass, hater.
    It’s a 50-100 year conspiracy. We liberals are apparently good at such things – Obama being a full member of a conspiracy (to enslave the population) that was hatched many decades before he was born.
    But we may not need to repeal it. We might just be able to erode it until it’s defacto-repealed. Like abortion in Mississippi.”

    ——————

    ” slipperyslope says December 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    In my 20s I owned a Glock 17 and a Mossberg 500. And, to this day I greatly enjoy a trip to the shooting range to blast through a few hundred rounds or 9mm. But based on the conversations I’ve been a part of here, I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment. It won’t happen any time soon, but it’s time to plant the seed.
    And I think Dianne Feinstein shows a path forward – to chip away at the 2nd amendment the same way that pro-lifers have successfully chipped away at Roe v Wade. ”

    AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!

  110. caution: slippey slope ahead

  111. And we recognized you were a worthless troll way back when you posted your first comment under your first pseudonym, slippy.

    I think we win.

  112. “That you think there’s anyone in America who doesn’t know that the oceans have offered something of a buffer is hilarious.”

    Arguing with bullshit points that he’s made up is *way* easier than addressing actual points.

    Too bad no one is buying it but him.

  113. “So excuse me for thinking that you were indicating that oceans offer no (or practically no) protection. I only thought you were saying it because many of you were, actually, saying it.”

    That’s just dshinest opportunism and stupidity on your part man. And it’s a very valid response you saying guns don’t work, oceans work, which you are now trying to deny.

    Oceans are not a very good defense in bronze age times much less modern ones. Small arms in the hands of the populace are a better means of halting, slowing, and discouraging . Like I said, Normandy happened. Japan fell. So did your stupid bullshit argument. You are just too dumb to see it.

  114. “And these came after clarifying, repeatedly, “Are you really saying oceans offer no defense???””

    That’s not clarifying. That’s just you trying to reinforce your own idiotic strawman. It’s weak and stupid like all your infantile mess. I’d rather have a populace with small arms than your magic ocean bullshit. (hint: for when the ocean fails).

  115. “So unlike you, I was actually responding to what you were saying, not some characature of made up shit that you never said.’

    I’ve already shown exactly where it came from. It was you.

  116. For a Lefty troll Slip is in the 90th percentile from what I’ve seen on other blogs. He’s not the cream of the crop but he’s pretty close to it. The high end of the “Low-Information-Trolls.”

  117. Slippy is a fart lawyer. Whatever comes out of his butt at any given moment is law until someone lights a match or waves their hands to make a little ventilation an then the vapors part and sanity returns and he burbles about reality bubbles.

  118. I want the population disarmed because I’m tired of 75,000 shootings per year.

    I agree that an armed citizenry provides some limited defense. It provides no defense should an adversary establish air superiority, unless that adversary wants to occupy, and not punish insurrection with air delivered masacre (in other words, small arms are useful if they are stupid enough to try to occupy and win our hearts and minds, like the US tries to do.)

    Oceans provide some defense too.

    But the greatest deterrent is the US military with great soldiers, advanced weaponry, and a stockpile of conventional and nuclear weapons.

    I know you all want to play Red Dawn though.

  119. “I want the population disarmed because I’m tired of 75,000 shootings per year.”

    Bullshit.

    “I agree that an armed citizenry provides some limited defense. ”

    Bullshit.

    “Oceans provide some defense too.”

    Not what you were trying to argue.

    “But the greatest deterrent is the US military with great soldiers, advanced weaponry, and a stockpile of conventional and nuclear weapons.”

    Obama is currently unilaterally trying to go to a US with 300 missiles with Russia for essentially nothing in return. So bullshit.

    “I know you all want to play Red Dawn though.”

    Bullshit.

  120. “I want the population disarmed because I’m tired of 75,000 shootings per year.”

    That’s nice.

    Now, how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring this utopia about?

    Be specific.

  121. I’m tired of 75,000 shootings per year

    i’m tired of proggtard’s opinion but i don’t want to ban free speech

  122. http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/obama-weighs-big-cuts-in-nuclear-weapons-stockpile/article_a3f9b7f5-f92c-5adc-b813-53d71228356a.html

    “No decision has been made, but the administration is considering at least three options for lower numbers of deployed strategic nuclear weapons, cutting to: 1,000 to 1,100; 700 to 800, and 300 to 400, according to a former government official and a congressional staffer. Both spoke on condition of anonymity in order to reveal internal administration deliberations.

    The potential cuts would be from a current treaty limit of 1,550 deployed strategic warheads.

    A level of 300 deployed strategic nuclear weapons would take the U.S. back to levels not seen since 1950 when the nation was ramping up production in an arms race with the Soviet Union. The U.S. numbers peaked at above 12,000 in the late 1980s and first dropped below 5,000 in 2003.”

    “The Pentagon’s press secretary, George Little, declined to comment on specific force level options because they are classified. He said Obama had asked the Pentagon to develop several “alternative approaches” to nuclear deterrence.

    Stephen Young, senior analyst at the Union of Concerned Scientists, which favors nuclear arms reductions, said Tuesday: “The administration is absolutely correct to look at deep cuts like this. The United States does not rely on nuclear weapons as a central part of our security.”

    The U.S. already is on track to reduce to 1,550 deployed strategic nuclear warheads by 2018, as required by New START. As of Sept. 1, the United States had 1,790 warheads and Russia had 1,566, according to treaty-mandated reports by each. The treaty does not bar either country from cutting below 1,550 on their own.

    Those who favor additional cuts argue that nuclear weapons have no role in major security threats in the 21st century, such as terrorism.”

  123. So now that you finally understand what I’ve been trying to say, you have no response other than “bullshit” – with I take to be frustration at your lack of reading comprehension. It’s OK, I have hope for you. Maybe next time try to understand what’s going on before the thread reaches the 90th comment. Give yourself modest goals.

  124. “So now that you finally understand what I’ve been trying to say”

    You haven’t been saying anything, Slappy.

    How many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your utopia?

    Be specific.

  125. “i’m tired of proggtard’s opinion but i don’t want to ban free speech”

    2.9 million Americans are injured in car accidents every year, about 40,000 of them fatally.

    And yet Slappy wants to concentrate on guns.

    Odd, innit?

  126. You forgot the domestic part of enemies foreign and domestic, slope. I didn’t, though.

  127. “So now that you finally understand what I’ve been trying to say, you have no response other than “bullshit” ”

    I don’t believe that is what you were trying to say. It provides no real motive to ever objecting to the previous statement about small arms in the hands of 300 million people dissuading invasion and then trying to bring up the oceans. “wait dude, oceans help too” is just a dumb thing to say and not really worth making a response. “Oceans matter small arms don’t” is at least audacious enough to provide a motive for making at utter fool of yourself as much as you have. and that was the direction you went on listing places that fell with armed populations.

    So, bullshit.

    I don’t even believe that you ever seriously thought that anyone was arguing that oceans do nothing at all. That was never more than a dumb straw man ploy that you generated for the purposes of being a troll.

  128. “with I take to be frustration at your lack of reading comprehension”

    No slippy, I’m merely calling you a liar, a prevaricator, and a dishonest little bullshitter because the shoe fits.

  129. I want the population disarmed because I’m tired of 75,000 shootings per year.

    Has it ever occurred to you that you aren’t entitled to be tired of anything that doesn’t involve you directly? Especially since your fucking selfish emotional response will make hundreds of millions of people less free who happen not to agree with you?

  130. Will no one rid McGehee of this troublesome pest?

  131. good news: at the bottom of the slippey slope is a straw man.

  132. If it were only me who finds him a pest, I would live with it. But I know I’m not alone.

  133. If God granted me one wish, I would ask Him to install in every proglodyte a Mind Your Own Fucking Business cortex. There’d be plenty of room for it in the part of the progg cranium that corresponds to where we non-proggs keep our brains.

  134. 75,000/300,000,000 = .00025

    .025%

    1/40 of 1%

    This is being passed off as a worthy reason to fuck law abiding gun owners over and the constitution with them?

  135. I don’t much care since I rarely read the comments these days, but I can’t see how this jerkoff adds anything. His only agenda seems to be to play the role of irritant.

  136. His only agenda seems to be to play the role of irritant.

    Yup. He does what trolls do. Because he’s a troll.

  137. “This is being passed off as a worthy reason to fuck law abiding gun owners over and the constitution with them?”

    Of course, no statistic offered up by a leftist can be expected to exclude suicides, good on bad shootings and the like, either.

  138. “Maybe next time try to understand what’s going on before the thread reaches the 90th comment. Give yourself modest goals.”

    Oh! You mean like that time you said we wanted all teachers to be armed and trained at public expense ya fuckin’ liar? Or that we hated women, independent women, pleasure, contraceptives, and science because you felt it was so in your truthy gland?

    How about you learn to own your own sorry, ridiculous, dishonest history here you freaking douche bag?

  139. The only proper response to anything slipshod says is, “Fuck off.”

  140. does preparation h relieve slippey slopes?

  141. the article is bs but the proggtards are noticing

    This Is What Teachers Learning to Shoot Guns Look Like

  142. Don’t play the progressives’ games. Ever. Don’t ever let them direct the conversation, if you decide to address them, which I think is a mistake as well as a waste of time.

    Slipshod is a completely dishonest troll who argues from bad faith. That is readily apparent from every idiotic argument he has presented. Yet, he still gets entertainment value out of it, because people are willing to play with him. So he will keep coming back for more, since for whatever reason he gets off on it. No one here likely understands why. I certainly don’t.

    It’s your time to waste, of course.

  143. It’s weird how opposed lefties are to armed teachers considering the fact that conservatives are the only people willing to call most public school teachers morons. I say eliminate the pay raises for phony advanced degrees from ed schools and offer bumps in pay for being certified in how to handle a gun.

  144. the advanced stem degrees should still count I think

  145. i stopped reading after this:

    “More broadly, attempts by armed civilians to intervene in shooting rampages are rare—and are successful even more rarely. (Two people who tried it in recent years were gravely wounded or killed.)”

    i knew 2 right away in the past 2 years who weren’t killed. because when the shooter is dead and 4 or less are killed it isn’t considered a “shooting rampage”

  146. Chirpyfeet, they don’t give STEM degrees in ed school.

  147. no my friend I is a high school physics teacher getting a masters in physics and she’ll get a bump for it

  148. Good for her. Did she waste her undergrad career getting an ed degree, or was she already smart?

  149. That’s merely for getting her masters. It doesn’t matter what the subject is.

    McGehee is right that there are no STEM degrees in Ed school. It’s all theory and terribly grade-inflated. Your friend may have gotten a BS in Physics and a teaching credential at a later date.

  150. “i knew 2 right away in the past 2 years who weren’t killed. because when the shooter is dead and 4 or less are killed it isn’t considered a “shooting rampage”

    Right. Also people planning on “shooting rampages” generally pick places where they know the prospective victims aren’t armed.

  151. Right. Also people planning on “shooting rampages” generally pick places where they know the prospective victims aren’t armed.

    the “guns free zone” fans really do have blood on their hands. someone should point this out.

  152. stemmers get to skip a lot of ed stuff and get alternative certification

    or back in the day they did

  153. i know we get “code fink” going and show up in difi’s office. “have you no shame difi?” with blood stuff too.

  154. get alternative certification

    that “cert” stuff is guild/union mentality. monopolists. ax harvard?

  155. I don’t want to talk about this anymore

  156. I don’t want to talk about this anymore

    so you’re tired of the 75,000,000 peeps shot everyday in amerikkka?

  157. I don’t want to talk about this anymore

    the oceans won’t protect you. nor michael mann’s hockey stick

  158. So, when the po-po pull up to your door, and demand you hand over your outlawed weapons, what ya gonna do?

  159. I don’t know, Lee. I think I know, but I really don’t.

  160. stemmers get to skip a lot of ed stuff and get alternative certification

    That sounds right. Good for her for going further and getting a masters.

    Nr, the states are in charge of certification not the unions.

  161. Leigh, in many states the unions control who gets on the BOE, even where the state BOE is elected. Maybe especially.

  162. Oh. I’ve only ever taught in Oklahoma so that shows what I don’t know.

  163. Nr, the states are in charge of certification not the unions.

    sure like wisc.

  164. Stop being a hardass. McGehee already straightened me out.

  165. So, when the po-po pull up to your door, and demand you hand over your outlawed weapons, what ya gonna do?

    Go out the back door and flank ‘em.

  166. Leigh, they don’t know individual votes of course, but they know by precinct. For example, if Compton voted heavily for prop 8, it’s probably safe to say blacks voted heavily for prop 8. It’s all very scientificy from what I gather.

  167. Oops, wrong thread, sorry.

  168. Stop being a hardass.

    just pointing to an example. that’s being rude?

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