December 22, 2012

“‘Travesty of Justice’: Limits on President’s Detention Powers Stripped from Final Defense Bill”

Jesus.  I’m in agreement with Dianne Feinstein and Bernie Sanders, for Chrissakes.

Are we sure the world didn’t end, and that this is just some version of hell I’ve been sent to for that one time I coaxed a couple of very hot, slightly drunk coeds into, you know, touching each other for me?

(h/t geoff b)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:33am
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  1. Numerous Rs and Ds voted against this (and of course, many voted for it, including “our friend”, John McCain).

    Does anyone have a link to the roll call, so we can see who stood up to be counted for the pro-fascist viewpoint?

  2. Madison said that if a government were comprised of angels, we wouldn’t need the chains of the constitution

    But hey, Madison is just an old dead white guy back when they owned slaves and oppressed teh womyns … so nevermind, carry on.

  3. some version of hell I’ve been sent to for that one time I coaxed a couple of very hot, slightly drunk coeds into, you know, touching each other for me?

    One does no get sent to hell for doing that. One gets sent to hell for doing that and not letting your best buds watch too.

  4. Add Rand Paul and Mike Lee to this list

    Other senators voting against the defense authorization bill were Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), James Risch (R-Idaho), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa).

    to total 13 negatives, then figure only 98 total could have voted (Inoye and Kirk surely not voting). But the reasoning itself isn’t apparent. Two guys from Wyo. may be voting because they don’t like the effects of the underlying bill on their state, for a hypothetical example, and not because they’re concerned about tyrannic detention powers. Or again, Franken and Sanders may well have voted against the bill because they simply don’t want to spend $633B on defense, and not because they’re concerned about tyrannic detention powers, and so on.

  5. The roll call has 14 negatives (so I screwed up there somewhere), and 81 yea votes, with 4 not voting.

  6. This is true; in general Sanders and Franken loves them some fascist state power.

  7. Just an aside, since it’s marginally interesting to me: since Sen Inoye died this week before the vote, I subtracted his vote as one of one-hundred, whereas the Senate record counts him not at all, or in other words as none of anything. This is only to do with what is being counted, I guess, yet the difference is curious.

  8. “many voted for it, including “our friend”, John McCain).”

    Today, Senator Paul had some sad news to announce: A House-Senate conference committee led by Senator John McCain has stripped amendment #3018 from the new draft of the NDAA bill. Senator Levin confirmed this, saying, “The language of the Senate bill was dropped,” but, according to Politico’s Juana Summers, declined to offer any further comments.

    “The decision by the NDAA conference committee, led by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) to strip the National Defense Authorization Act of the amendment that protects American citizens against indefinite detention now renders the entire NDAA unconstitutional,” Sen. Paul warned.

    link

  9. Hatch voted for it too.

    I hate his guts.

  10. Mike Lee, however, is God.

  11. Orrin Hatch is an old fool. He always looks as if he’d just stepped out of a tin-type. It must be those collar pins he likes.

  12. sdferr: they could count him as “present but not voting”, like Jeremy Bentham’ at certain meetings of University College London, but perhaps he’d have to be physically lying in state at the Capitol to do that.

  13. It is a puzzlement how Hatch keeps getting elected in Utah. dicentra tried to explain it once, but I still didn’t understand.

  14. McCAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIINNNNN!!!!

  15. McGehee says December 22, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    One does no get sent to hell for doing that. One gets sent to hell for doing that and not letting your best buds watch too.

    This man. This is a very wise man.

  16. Well, you’re right about this being Hell.

  17. I always thought “Through the L0oking Glass” was a charming story about a little girl and some oustanding opium.

    Little did I know it was actually the prequel to modern American politics.

  18. “One gets sent to hell for doing that and not letting your best buds watch too”

    WHAT!!! Jeff has video?

    Man,
    no one tells me anything;)

  19. Man,
    no one tells me anything;)

    - Yes, and you’re supposed to be watching our six, not reading about fairy-tales!

  20. - So we had a nice uneventful doomsday yesterday, and a nice restful Bday today. The Mayans struck out but the Aztecs won in Hawaii, so…..good times.

  21. BBH, your birthday today too?

    No wonder I find you so insufferable, you’re me in 20 years.

    Or is it 30?

  22. - Well, that will only be true McGehee if you gradually become good looking and rich by the time you’re my age.

  23. - It will be a real challenge for medical science and nature, but I’m pulling for you bro.

  24. We’ve become a post-Constitutional oligarchy.

  25. 3 months after kennedy’s death the proggtards chew on the constitution like effin’ zombies

  26. No wonder you guys are so cranky. You missed being Sagittarius by thismuch! Happy b-day, boys.

  27. But hey, Madison is just an old dead white guy back when they owned slaves and oppressed teh womyns … so nevermind, carry on.

    Wait, if Madison is just an old dead white guy then Marbury is too, isn’t he?

  28. orangedude repeal starts here”

    Executive Order 11110 was issued by U.S. President John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963.

    This executive order delegated to the Secretary of the Treasury the President’s authority to issue silver certificates under the Thomas Amendment of the Agricultural Adjustment Act, as amended by the Gold Reserve Act. The order allowed the Secretary to issue silver certificates, if any were needed, during the transition period under President Kennedy’s plan to eliminate silver certificates

    link

    take on the shit head in chief

  29. - Actually Pablo, when you are born on the 21st or 22nd you are a “cusp” baby, or Sag/Cap, destined to be an “observer” all your life, and as such tend to long life, and luck in surviving.

    - Sags are super introspective and level headed. Caps hi strung and energetic and come into their own late in life. The combination of those two signs makes one weird but lovable, reliable to a fault, and unshakable to a goal.

  30. 3 months after kennedy’s death the proggtards chew on the constitution like effin’ zombies

    nr don’t. I just discovered The Walking Dead on Netflix tonight (ok I don’t have cable and never watch TV anyway) and I’m so freaked out right now the answer to everything is MORE GUNS AND AMMO Jesus

    as for the Republic – i think I started mourning it a year ago

  31. “who gave him this power?”

    Roosevelt grabbed the basic power with his EO 6102 way back in 1933. Roosevelt killed the Republic. It’s just taken this long for it to stop twitching.

  32. - Sags are super introspective and level headed.

    Wait, I’m a Sag and I’ve always understood us to be whimsical, impulsive and fickle. I thought I was the only level-headed one.

    One thing I’m sure of is that we need to steer clear of Cancers.

  33. ok. get with the century. It’s MBTI. what’s your 4 letters?

  34. has a citizen demanded the silver? time take the executive a’holes to court.

  35. - Well you can understand why McGehee and I would feel sort of special. We missed being Jesus by just three days.

  36. SOST

  37. On Wednesday, the Jordanian military issued gas masks. Jordan has taken in a large number of Syrian refugees and hosts U.S. troops on its soil, together with troops from both Poland and the Czech Republic.

  38. nono no Ernst. Take this test and join the new age of personality descriptors.

    I’m ISTP

  39. ok scroll down on that link. it’s junky

  40. I suppose I’ll humor you. You should have your chance to get even.

    If it’s what I think it is, INTJ, or ISFJ, depending on the alignment of the stars and whether I’m drinking scotch or bourbon whisky.

  41. ok that’s bullshit INTJ and ISFJ are wildly different. hmph

  42. Did that backwards, INFJ, or ISTJ.

    I anwered SOST because your parameters excluded answering OTMRP, by the way.

  43. - In honor of the holidays I’m having a rum cake, but since I don’t really have a cake I’m just going straight for the Bacardi purple lable and calling it even.

  44. still wildly different so it’s not even an answer. Let’s play psychologist, I’ll diagnose you

  45. Hmm. INFP when I can pick my own answers.

    Unlike here, where I popped up ISTP(?) this time.

    Must be because I’m not drinking whisky tonight.

  46. Just think of me as a Garbo

  47. If you want to be my shrink, you’d better know how to mix a good drink.

    If you want to be my therapist, I’ll need color photos and a signed confidentiality/non-disclosure agreement.

  48. ok that test i came out ISTP but i always do. you’re not doing it right!

    Yes i make drinks. straight ones. in ice.

  49. I take my whisky with a splash of coke (bourbon) or soda water (scotch), so we should get along.

    In that test I linked, I’m Strongly I, marginally S (or N), marginally T (or F) and slightly P (though usually J)

    It may or may not matter that I’m Pisces as well.

  50. slightly P though usually J – so read the profile of an ISTJ and see if it sounds right. Or read the ISTP. it’s so much fun way better than astrology

    whiskey is gross unless it’s fireball straight with a cherry.

  51. Kind of a waste of time, don’t think, when I really don’t have a preference between Sensing and iNtuition on the one hand, or Thinking and Feeling on the other?

    I prefer Pascal, as summarized by Barzun, over Jung and Myers – Briggs anyways.

    I’m more esprit de finesse, than esprit de geometrie.

  52. Wait, if Madison is just an old dead white guy then Marbury is too, isn’t he?

    Old, dead, and white?

    Oh, not that Marbury?
    ;)

  53. Last I checked I was INTP, but I doubt that’s true because those people are nuts.

  54. It’s MBTI. what’s your 4 letters?

    Ugh. My wife kept insisting I take that stupid test again and again until I demanded to know what result she wanted me to get so I could tell her that’s the one I got.

    My four letters are MYOB.

  55. You and me both, Pablo.

    Since I work with computers for a living, it doesn’t come as a great surprise.

  56. @McGehee, that made me laugh.

  57. You guys are civilians dissing one of the tools of my trade. Knock it off.

    I don’t tell you how to do your jobs. Fooking engineer know-it-alls.

    Just kidding. Mebbe.

  58. BBH, I share a birthday with Jesus. So I trump you guys.

    Bonus: if one is born on Christmas, folklore says we can talk to animals, just like St. Francis.

    BBL. Mass calls.

  59. - Leigh, you mean to say you have to have a conversation with them. I thought dinner and a movie was enough?

  60. Just chit chat, BBH. No hanky-panky because that’s just yucky.

  61. Engineers have had to throw plenty of industry legend out over the years. And I’m hoping that a lot of pseudo-engineering (usually tied to safety and high quality lean manufacturing schemes) gets a lot less attention and money in the coming decades.

  62. Streamlining and throw out unworkable concepts is part of science, paleo.

    We don’t do phrenology and a lot of old school hocus-pocus anymore, either.

  63. And I’m hoping that a lot of pseudo-engineering (usually tied to safety and high quality lean manufacturing schemes) gets a lot less attention and money in the coming decades.

    amen. that shit is a waste of time and money, to the point where our company just disregards it completely. But you’ll notice that any major manufacturer (like Caterpillar etc) now demands “Lean Six Sigma” qualifications for employment.

  64. You can have anything, good, fast, cheap, just pick two, only two.

  65. INFJ here. Though I flip-flop to INFP depending on the test.

  66. Also looking at Lean Six Sigma right now.

    wtf is this shit???

  67. wtf is this shit???

    exactly. a big waste of time

  68. I hate to break it to y’all, but Six Sigma was invented by an engineer.

  69. A lot of things invented by engineers are just business and documentation procedures.

  70. “There comes a time in every project when it’s time to shoot the engineer and begin production.”

  71. which is why i hate engineering. it’s ruled by introverted autistic men who write literally thousands of pages of specifications and rules for every little thing you can think of, so I get to read 400 pages just to figure out if we can install a wireless communication pole in Iowa. I am in the wrong field.
    (no offense to the autistic men who write code.)

  72. Lean Six Sigma is a synergized managerial concept of Lean Manufacturing and Six Sigma Quality protocol that that combines the goals of minimization of the seven kinds of waste and maintaining a 3.4 DPMO or below. (defects per million opportunities)

    7 wastes: Transportation, Inventory, Motion, Waiting, Overproduction, Over-Processing, and Defects

    Basically you spend more time documenting than designing testing and prototyping and the REAL goal is to be certified as a good lean 6 sigma operation that will supposedly get you investors and customers.

  73. I’m amazed how many engineers are hired and quickly moved to managerial or accounting or even sales roles and never given a chance to do any engineering and yet are counted as engineers in the investor docs to make the company look like its doing way more R&D than it really is. they end up acting as translators and evaluators when the engineering department wants to walk to another department.

  74. my boss won’t bother with Lean Six Sigma because we are too busy pumping out prototypes of every new product we can think of – we’re trying to survive this economy

  75. Lean Six Sigma sounds like another of those deals where folks who lack critical thinking skills can try to figure out what the fuck is going on.

  76. Businesses generally depend on investors or subsidy before they can get a new product to market, and that makes them very very very susceptible to fads.

  77. And don’t even get me started on engineers and architects.

  78. what’s that joke… IF:too gay to be an engineer AND:not gay enough to be a fashion designer THEN: architect

    I denounce myself.

  79. What was Newt’s excuse, I wonder? (Besides wanting to have the ‘latest’ thing in management jargon spill out of his mouth, that is.)

  80. Lean Six Sigma sounds like it was designed by that guy who looks like motionview’s avatar.

    BTW anyone seen motionview around anywhere?

  81. Damn, and I thought manufacturing fads ended with ISO 9000.

  82. I was wondering about motionview, myself the other day.

    Btw, his avatar is his daughter in the tub with shampoo sculpting done to her hair. Which, apparently, she doesn’t like too much.

  83. IF:too gay to be an engineer AND:not gay enough to be a fashion designer THEN: architect

    I like that. I call them exterior designers.

    About the only jobs we get now are government projects and its driving me crazy. Architects drawing shit that can’t be built, lawyers driving engineers to over design everything, contractors who low-ball the bid and hope to make their profit on change orders, and government bean counters who are convinced that the important thing is that nobody move or somebody might get hurt.

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