December 5, 2012

The real American Taliban [Darleen Click]


HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) –

A threatened lawsuit had put a halt to what’s become a Christmas tradition for members of the Moanalua High School orchestra.

For the past six years, the award-winning group and volunteers from the New Hope Church have raised more than $200,000 for a charity that treats poor people in Africa.

But that all came to a halt on Monday when the Department of Education decided to cancel the concert just four days before the event.

In a letter to the Department of Education, Mitch Kahle, founder of the Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, took issue with the involvement of New Hope Church, which handles ticket sales and sells those tickets at its services.

“The issue here is an entanglement between a public school and a Christian church,” said Kahle.

“And one of the things about the constitution is that it prohibits the involvement of public schools and churches.”

Concert volunteer Chad Brownstein said that this year’s event has sold more than 600 tickets and would have generated about $30,000 in sales and donations.

So what, Brownstein, you have no right to feel your pitiful efforts at individual charity are worth anything. Kahle has the right of it, with his protecting the public from obvious bitter clingers like you.

Now please excuse Kahle and his virtuous Citizens, they have a some Buddhist statues to blow up and some Nativity scenes to kick over.

Posted by Darleen @ 8:36pm

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Comments (39)

  1. “And one of the things about the constitution is that it prohibits the involvement of public schools and churches.”

    It’s quite a novel reading of the establishment clause to conclude that it prohibits a church from raising money for a public school event.

  2. Not anti-theists, free thinkers

  3. Take it away dicentra.

  4. But remember: it’s the social cons who need a good reining in…

  5. After they’re done making the public sphere a God-free zone, maybe they could all treck to D.C. and protest a government that doesn’t do more to ease the sufferings of AIDS afflicted Africans.

  6. It would be a pleasant thing for a change to see the community take ownership of their school — put the grapefruit to the face of their school administrator, for instance — and go ahead to hold their concert as planned. If the opportunity arises, even maybe give the lawsuit dude a good beating for his troubles.

  7. a government that doesn’t do more to ease the sufferings of AIDS afflicted Africans

    being all tribal these days eff the africans and the zebra they ride. hi racial carson

  8. Of course the public sphere needs to be cleared of any real gods. The Little God-King hates competition.

  9. – You simply cannot make government into your god without breaking religion. That is why the Left won’t open their duplicitous mouths when one of their own, the Athesists, attack any and all benevolent works that night benefit groups directly, groups that they claim to want nothing more than to help and save, if the work is done by any private charitable action. Because so many of the electorate now have been taught that suckle on the god of governments teat is the way to a happy life, the Left gets its way.

    – Question: Why usn’t the SC called on tpo set forth the actual positions and meanings of what is really in the Constitution so we could put done to all these politically motivated manuevors that are used daily to game the system. The court “hears” cases and by “indirect inference” imply meaning to the clauses, but they are careful to avoid direct readings. Why?. Why do we allow that?

  10. – Case in point: “Ask the court to clarify the meaning of the “Congress shall make no laws respecting religion or the practice thereof.”

    – Question to the court: “Clarify what that clause says and means in innumerated powers, show where it prohibits in any way the simple interaction between church and government, and show where those enummerated powers effect any action beyond the federal government to other governments at the state, county, or city level.”

  11. Is that revolution I hear rustling in the fallen leaves of the Founding Documents?

  12. Probably because the other two branches, being co-equal would feel free to ignore any clarification they didn’t like.

  13. – No cigar in that case Ernst. The Constitution is quite specific addressing only the powers of Congress in that clause. There is in fact, no reference to the powers of the Executive or SC in matters pertaining to religion.

    – The Executive is supposidly prohibited from making law, and the SC is permitted to adjudicate, so there would be no barrier to a full and complete hearing, and this is true of the entire document.

    – My guess is the ruling class, no matter the stripe, want nothing to do with such straightforward clarifications for their own agenda’s.

  14. There is no desire so primal as the need to make sure one isn’t tainted by the other. Used to be food and shelter, I think.

    I’m sure this bodes well.

  15. Your forgetting 14th amendment juris prudence on incorporation, bbh.

    The Constitution is Apollo at Delphi and the Court’s own precedents are its oracles.

  16. >i>The Constitution is Apollo at Delphi and the Court’s own precedents are its oracles.

    – The Constitution is a 50 state ratified dobument that holds sway over all else in governance by fiat of the soveriegnty of the citizems wishes first, the states soveroegn wishes second, and majority rule.

    – If the court wishes to usurp that by imagined Delphi rukes than let them speak and show themselves in the public forum.

    – If we do not require that then the focument is a fake.

  17. – The IX and X assures us that right of governance.

  18. I’m understand what you’re saying and sympathize with it, but until some State tells the court to piss off, or some group engages in civil disobedience against the State’s agents* IX and X protect exactly nothing.

    *alright! All you kids are under arrest, there’s religion going on in this play!

  19. – Since that is the case, if we do not require the court to put its interpretations where its mouth is then we deserve whatever contrivances they choose to visit upon us.

  20. – Also since the court is adept at reponsibility avoidance the gridlock could be broken by an amendment that deliniates Constitutional interpetation as a direct and in perpituity requirement of the SC’s duties. Diract interpetation, not burried in endless opinions and nuance such as it is now, which of course is the means and reason for that approach in the first place. The whole idea of a ‘living document’ should be precluded for all time. If the people feel additional amendments are needed in the future there is a straigtforward means for that built in.

  21. Like I (sorta) said, I’d love it if the school superintendent would tell the Education secretary to get bent. And I’d love it even more if the Ed. Sec. or the concerned citizens for a god-free public sphere went to court to prevent the concert from proceeding and defendents decided to go ahead anyways, irrespective of the court. And then I might just make an embarrassing mess in my shorts if the court ordered the state police to bar entry into the venue and the orchestra and concert goers all went to jail –for holding a charity concert at a church.

  22. I’m not inclined to write Marbury into the Constitution itself, personally.

  23. It’d be nice if people so upset with any possible contact with religion would send their children to special schools so they could be taught according to their parents’ extreme moral* code. Imagine, as John Lennon once said.

    *I’m using moral in a way that doesn’t preclude sub-optimal mores.

  24. In the case of that Little Rock, Charlie Brown Christmas play, it was one parent that ruined it for the rest. Asshole could’ve taken advantage of the opt out and taken their brat to see the Vagina Monologuesinstead, if that was his/her thing.

  25. I kinda hope the kid of that one parent was rolling his/her eyes behind his/her parent’s back.

    You’re so embarrassing, they’re thinking.

  26. – Years ago I wrote a musical score for the Vagina Chronicles, including a spirited version of “I’m dreaming of a white Vagina”, but none of the Universities showed any interest. Go figure.

  27. I cannot help but notice that you never here these principled protectors of the First Amendment arguing against the HHS birth control mandate.

  28. “And one of the things about the constitution is that it prohibits the involvement of public schools and churches.”

    The key to his entire attack is based on the word ‘involvement’ I’m thinking. The church isn’t asking school kids to join a religion, it’s not promoting itself, but is offering help in keeping kids off the streets and their minds occupied. That’s always a good thing, since kids are escaping public schools filled with vapidness and with no virtue whatsoever. What is cross-purpose to kids picking up some decent thinking is Kahle’s attack on religion, just because it exists.

    Let’s see the atheists attacked the same way. Wait, they RUN our public schools for all intents and purposes; just as Kahle & his allies intend.

    Yes, we as a vibrant, virtuous Republic are well and truly fucked it seems. This division isn’t getting healed until one camp or the other is out and forgotten.

  29. Oh, OT, but for those who follow the Walker – Frey – Kimberlin saga

  30. The conclusion I have drawn from this idiotic attempt to stop a school and church from raising money for poor African kids is Mitch Kahle is a racist and the Hawaii Citizens for Separation of Church and State hate brown people.

    Start throwing the racist thing back in their faces and see if they scuttle back into their hole.

  31. When you have perverted justices like John Roberts gleefully defiling your constitution like it was a young thai boy it gets harder to get excited about these sorts of petty oppressions taking place in the blue blue obamawhore heart of our failshit little country.

  32. “Asshole could’ve taken advantage of the opt out and taken their brat to see the Vagina Monologuesinstead” You do understand this is all about forcing his will on them? It’s who they are and what they do.

  33. That’s one of the many things I like about living here in Smallville, Jesusland.

    A few years ago, torrential rains collapsed the roof on the elementary school one week before school was to begin. One of the megachurches in town offered up their space for use as classrooms for the tykes while the school was being repaired. They have a kitchen and a large playground, too, so it worked out well for all.

    None were harmed by the Jesus cooties in the church buildings and no one complained that the city should have found a more secular school space, either.

  34. None were harmed by the Jesus cooties

    Divine miracle?

  35. Most “anti-theists” I have met fit their own description of man decendant from apes; howling, aggressive asses.

  36. True words, Gulermo.

  37. The constitution was approved by 50 states? Accepted by perhaps as a condition of admission to the Union by 50 states, but I don’t recall more than 13 that got to vote on it in toto, and the other 44, I mean 37 only got to vote on amendments offered after they became states.

  38. “And one of the things about the constitution is that it prohibits the involvement of public schools and churches.”

    Our schools obviously need to spend less time on fund raisers and more time teaching pinheads to fucking read.

  39. I think the organization / parent in these cases should get a pointed reminder of how pitiful the clearance rate for homicide is when the killer and the victim have no ties between them….. other than one seeing the other’s name in the paper and deciding to take advantage of the incentive system the Islamists have pioneered.