November 29, 2012

Progressivism has become a parody of itself

It’s cliche, I know, but we’ve nearly reached an Orwellian singularity:

The Washington state Health Department will be changing marriage and divorce certificates in response to the same-sex marriage law that takes effect Dec. 6.

Words such as “bride,” ”groom,” ”husband” and “wife” will likely be gone. The department wants to use gender-neutral terms.

Spokesman Tim Church told KIRO-FM [...] they could be replaced with something like “Spouse A” and “Spouse B.”

The forms will still include gender so the state can track the number of same-sex couples in the state.

It’s really not too difficult to predict that the next step is to push for a Spouse C, a Spouse D, and onward, then to create available categories for what comes to count as a “spouse” in the first instance.  And this idea about including gender?  Well, the LGBT lobby will get rid of that particular hate crime soon enough.  For freedom!

Now, the libertarian in me doesn’t necessarily take issue with consensual relationships (with certain exceptions that create conditions for significant health risk, like inbreeding) as agreed upon contractually; but the constitutional conservative / classical liberal in me also takes note that there’s been an historical aversion to tinkering with the definition of  marriage as sanctioned by governments in successful civil societies — and I would argue that that is not an accident:  it may not be causal, but it certainly seem corollary.   The biological and social truth is, children benefit most from a one-man, one-woman family structure.  And while there are always exceptions to every rule, the rules nevertheless become the rules because of their history of success.

The civil society has a right and perhaps even an obligation to promote its own healthy continuation.  And government, from the classical liberal perspective, is permitted to play a (limited) role in creating the parameters for such self-perpetuation.  This is what separates the classical liberal from the pure libertarian — the idea that government does have some legitimate interest in protecting the social contract, not just in protecting individual rights and providing for defense.

That having been said, I also believe in federalism. And if the people of Washington state want same-sex marriage and Spouse A / Spouse B relationships, more power to ‘em.  Just don’t insist that those of us who, as voters in other states, think the idea a bad one, be forced to recognize what Washington state or New York, etc., decided to enact.

The tension comes when the courts, as is their wont, step in and demand we all accept what only some, in a federalist system, are attempting — usually under the rubric of a “civil right” that is no such thing.  People have a “right” to enter into contracts; they have a “right” to choose a partner.  But they don’t have an inherent right to marry (ahem) their own definition of what comes to constitute a state sanctioned union to a thing that has always had a clear and stable definition.

YMMV

(h/t Pablo)

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:16am
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Comments (356)

  1. Frankly, I’ve reached the point where I can no longer summon the energy to try to convince the unconvincable that what they want and what they’re doing to get it will be detrimental to the Nation.

    They’ve asked for it. Now let them have it.

    LET. IT. BURN.

  2. Hah. That would be unconvincible.

  3. Why not Thing 1 and Thing 2?

  4. They’ve asked for it. Now let them have it.

    Appending Mencken’s “good and hard” to that, in this context, probably won’t have the desired effect.

  5. Why not Thing 1 and Thing 2?

    When Cousin Itt requested her hand in marriage…

  6. Kinda looks like civil society has been annulled.

  7. So the next iteration will be polygamy, and all of those open-minded progressives who have fought long and hard to overcome the traditional, heteronormative religious types will be responsible for making Islamic marriage practices viable in the US. Yay, you!

  8. In honor of polygamy: The Persian Letters

  9. Something about calling cheeseburgers veggies so you can claim to be a vegan.

  10. It is no coincidence that Showtime schedules The Real L Word with Polyamory: Married and Dating immediately after.

  11. You’re a Mad Men party in a Modern Family America. Another position for me to cheer.

  12. You’re a Mad Men party in a Modern Family America. Another position for me to cheer.

    Remember what happened to disco?

    Keep cheering. At the end of the day, we wont be the ones walking around in tight polyester suits and platform shoes, wondering what the hell happened to the mirrored ball and the omnipresent coke.

  13. The wife and I were talking the other day about how the new generation see themselves as almost a new creation, totally separate and above all that came before. The arrogant little apes denounce everything that came before them as irrelevant, outdated, and ridicules. They look at the fabulous riches around them, and reject all that made it happen, taking all the credit for themselves and admiring their own wonderfulness for doing it.

    Slipperyslope reminded me of the conversation…

  14. This is what separates the classical liberal from the pure libertarian — the idea that government does have some legitimate interest in protecting the social contract, not just in protecting individual rights and providing for defense.

    In your world:

    Protecting the social contract does not include barring property owners and employers from discriminating solely on the basis of race.
    Protecting the social contract may (does?) include barring two consenting adults from marrying each other.

    It’s opposite world. Which again, I cheer. It’s like you’re going out of your way to quarantine yourself from anyone who might craft policy.

  15. Let’s make a list of things which slippy thinks are horrible:

    1) Christianity
    2) Freedom of speech
    3) Traditional marriage
    4) Freedom to petition the government
    5) Secure jobs
    6) Freedom to think and act like a jerk
    7) White males
    8) Freedom of association
    9) Private charity
    10) Freedom of — well, freedom generally

    I’m sure there are more, but there’s more than enough here to see the pattern. If we don’t embrace slippy’s preferred social policies, we’re stupid, square, powerless, uneducated, lost souls. Lucky for us there are people like slippy (and his yellow electric hamster analogue) to show us the error of our ways, so that we can be hip and cosmopolitan and sophisticated and popular like they are.

    Because who gives a shit about consequences, when one can be popular?

  16. Protecting the social contract may (does?) include barring two consenting adults from marrying each other.

    Why limit it to two people, slippy? What are you, some kind of reactionary bigot?

  17. Oh Squid, now you’re just leveling baseless accusations and arguing with a caricature. You hate that here. You should denounce yourself.

  18. Slipperly slope doesn’t agree with Federalism. Our betters in DC should decide what’s best for everyone.

    While they vacation on our dime in Hawaii for three weeks.

    But I get Christmas day off, so I shouldn’t complain, right?

  19. Wasn’t it the Mad Men generation that put a man on the moon?

    This generation can’t get seem to make it out of moms basement.

  20. Wasn’t it the Mad Men generation that put a man on the moon?

    Vote for us! We’ll take everyone back to 1970!

  21. ” If we don’t embrace slippy’s preferred social policies”

    There are negative contrapositives to recognize for embrace as well: never consider the history of socialism in the world; ignore the genocides carried out to achieve the desired results; forever claim it can’t happen here.

  22. “Vote for us! We’ll take everyone back to 1970!”

    We’re the ones taking things to the 70’s?

    Things are looking a lot more like 1977. Carter-style!

  23. Of course Squid is arguing with a caricature, slippy. You’re the only one here who doesn’t realize what that means.

  24. In your world:

    You’ve repeatedly proven you haven’t the first idea about my world, nor are you capable of learning. So forgive me if I don’t much care how you hope to re-frame my actual views into views that comport with the cartoons you keep in your head.

    But here, let me help you: how can you prove that a property owner is discriminating solely on the basis of race if he doesn’t come out and admit it? And even if he does, why does that concern you? It’s his property. Why do you presume a collection of elected officials have a right to demand he use his property the way they insist he use it?

    And nobody is barring two consenting adults from joining together in a monogamous relationship. So again, you intentionally misstate the position I’ve laid out: that the voters of the state decide (federalism), and that “marriage”, which is already a thing with a stable definition (and one that has served the civil society well), isn’t another different thing just because you have decided you wish to lump the two together. Unless, that is, you decide as a state to redefine marriage thus.

    But not everyone wishes to open up the legal can of worms that will flow naturally as a result.

    Instead of trying to spin what I’ve said, how about you answer the questions, or engage my actual positions? Answer: because you are an intellectual lightweight who thinks spinning my positions to make them sound nefarious or racist or homophobic or anti-science or anti-earth or what have you is the epitome of rhetorical prowess.

    If I farted near you, you’d blow away like a wee brittle leaf.

  25. That’s impossible, antillious, because Forward! Duh!

  26. Vote for us! We’ll take everyone back to 1970!

    Reminds me of a famous Reagan story:

    The former president was telling a group once about his tumultuous days as governor of California during the rebellious sixties and early 70s. He said he had a meeting with some of the organizers of the protests. They came into his office wearing t-shirts and jeans, and some were barefoot.

    Their spokesman began, “Governor, it’s impossible for your generation to understand us…. You didn’t grow up in a world of instant electronic communications, of cybernetics, of men computing in seconds what once took months, even years, or jet travel, nuclear power, and journeys into space….”

    When the young man finished, Reagan said, “You’re absolutely right. Our generation didn’t have those things when we were growing up. We invented them.”

  27. Forgive me for not digging into the archives, but —

    Did slippy provide evidence of Jeff’s racism yet? I’d like to know whether to proclaim him victor and belittle Jeff, or vice-versa. kthxbai

  28. You’re a Mad Men party in a Modern Family America.

    More like a Bonanza party in a Teen Mom America.

  29. Mister we could use a man like Calvin Coolidge again…

  30. Squid —

    He declared me not necessarily racist, but an accomplice to racism because I believe people have private property rights and freedom of association. In other words, the Constitution is the real racist, and by following it, I’m its henchman.

    Which makes me very very near racist.

  31. Protecting the social contract may (does?) include barring two consenting adults from marrying each other.

    And prohibiting men from having abortions. And prohibiting dogs from being cats.

  32. If you didn’t have your filthy opinions, this would be Utopia.

  33. Slipshod is certainly a good little fascist, isn’t he? He probably thinks that means he’ll get rewarded somehow.

  34. But it’s benevolent fascism, cranky-d. And he wouldn’t have to resort to it if you mouthbreathers didn’t stop thinking wrong all the time.

  35. Something about calling cheeseburgers veggies so you can claim to be a vegan.

    I believe Mr. Locke’s formulation was: It’s like lobbying congress to designate the cow a vegetable, so vegans can eat cheeseburgers too.

  36. I’ve laid out: that the voters of the state decide (federalism), and that “marriage”, which is already a thing with a stable definition (and one that has served the civil society well), isn’t another different thing just because you have decided you wish to lump the two together. Unless, that is, you decide as a state to redefine marriage thus.

    Shorter: Voters in a state can let gays marry, but I kind of wish they wouldn’t.

    It’s really not too difficult to predict that the next step is to push for a Spouse C, a Spouse D, and onward, then to create available categories for what comes to count as a “spouse” in the first instance. And this idea about including gender? Well, the LGBT lobby will get rid of that particular hate crime soon enough. For freedom!

    Shorter: Polygamy is coming!!! And in the future you’ll get in trouble if you call someone a “boy” or a “girl”.

  37. Shorter: Voters in a state can let gays marry, but I kind of wish they wouldn’t.

    Is there any method of turning the world on its ear that you don’t favor?

  38. Shorter: Voters in a state can let gays marry, but I kind of wish they wouldn’t.

    Pretty much. Not because I don’t wish to see gays in happy monogamous relationships if that’s what they choose, but rather because I recognize the potential legal dangers in opening up “marriage” to new definitions.

    People here can read, though, so there’s really no need for you to shorten anything for us. This isn’t a kindergarten class / leftist site.

    Polygamy is coming!!! And in the future you’ll get in trouble if you call someone a “boy” or a “girl”.

    You can already “get in trouble” for those things, given the right context.

    And I assume your use of three exclamation points is an attempt to sneer at the notion that same-sex marriage opens the legal doorway, at least potentially, to polygamy and polyamory — and yet it is your very own progressive law professors pushing that argument. Like, for realsies!!!

    Also, though it’s not “boy” or “girl,” it’s at least a start!

  39. Shorter: Voters in a state can let gays marry, but I kind of wish they wouldn’t.

    Rephrased: Don’t tell me what you think; I’ll tell you what you think.

  40. Now. Why not answer my questions? How can you prove that a property owner is discriminating solely on the basis of race if he doesn’t come out and admit it? And even if he does, why does that concern you? It’s his property. Why do you presume a collection of elected officials have a right to demand he use his property the way they insist he use it?

    Also, do you reject the 9th and 10th amendments?

  41. I’m curious what they decide on

  42. Polygamy is coming!!!

    Why shouldn’t it?

  43. Shorter: Voters in a state can let gays marry, but I kind of wish they wouldn’t.

    Shorter: Polygamy is coming!!! And in the future you’ll get in trouble if you call someone a “boy” or a “girl”.

    I’m more of a socon than Jeff, so here’s my shorter:

    I’m in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman, and I haven’t a doubt that social acceptance of gay “marriage” will result in polygamous marriages and the eventual loss of the meaning of what marriage is.

    There’s an even chance I have that backwards, and it’s been the corruption of the meaning of marriage in the first place (ie. the public declaration of love between people fucking, that can be revoked anytime, for any reason) that brought about the popularity for the concept of gay “marriage”.

  44. Why shouldn’t it?

    Consenting adults amiright?

    We know slipperyslop is all about the freedoms to associate (except when they need to be banned, because RACIST HOMOPHOBE NATIVIST!)

  45. Uh, a lot of progressives are totally on board with polygamy, including Cass Sunstein (see “Nudge”), Chai Feldblum (see “Beyond Same-Sex Marriage: A New Strategic Vision for All Our Families & Relationships”), the ACLU. If you DON’T think polygamy is coming you haven’t been paying attention.

    You also must have missed all of the ‘gender is just a social construct’ talk that’s been going on for years. Maybe you’ve seen those stories about proud mommies writing books & blogs about their son’s preference for princess dresses and nail polish, or about not sharing their child’s actual sex to protect them from gender stereotypes? It’s no longer whether one is a boy or a girl, it’s which gender do they identify with regardless of their bodies.

  46. Slippery really has no future in either sales or politics, both of which require a skill-set that he is lacking. Mainly, the ability to make oneself likeable. To present a clear point of view. The ability to explain why this point of view is superior to the ‘old’ point of view. To point out the features of his point of view and without ‘besmirching’ the POV of the other to explain how his POV will make life better. Which it won’t.

  47. I like how Ruth Bader Ginsburg got her personal prudery established into speech with gender. It’s magical.

  48. Consenting adults amiright?

    So what if my 5 wives produce 15 kids I can’t afford to feed? That’s what food stamps are for, isn’t it?

  49. Well, I think he might have a future in sales, if you count blooming onions and the soup of the day.

  50. So what if my 5 wives produce 15 kids I can’t afford to feed? That’s what food stamps are for, isn’t it?

    Well, not really. That’s what the rich are for. Then come the food stamps.

  51. Besides. We can always just abort the kids if it gets to be too much of a punishment.

  52. It’s no longer whether one is a boy or a girl, it’s which gender do they identify with regardless of their bodies.

    Just like race! Say, if you’re a blonde Native American trying to get into Harvard…

  53. Besides. We can always just abort the kids if it gets to be too much of a punishment.

    Or, just marry a couple more dudes with jobs.

  54. So what if my 5 wives produce 15 kids I can’t afford to feed? That’s what food stamps are for, isn’t it?

    ’tis folly to marry any bitches if you’re going to spawn.

  55. I raised your pathetic guilt by association cannard earlier. Are you going to to call or fold?

    New – seriously? Here’s the 1948 Dixiecrat 1920 National Socialist German Workers’ Party platform:

    The program of the NSDAP

    It’s like it was written just for you guys. Pretty funny that you try to hang that as a noose around the head of today’s Democratic Republican party, when it’s exactly what you want the Republican Democratic party to “return” to.

    Really slippyslop, what part of that document do you disagree with?

  56. I almost forgot to ridicule our new resident troll for looking to network television for his/her/its social mores.

  57. How else am I gonna raise an army, Alec?

  58. How else am I gonna raise an army, Alec?

    My understanding is that an aspiring Warlord should find a reliable source of khat and Chinese Kalashnikov clones, and then the child soldiers will come to you.

  59. I’m pretty sure we’re reliving the 70s now. We’re just too distracted to recognize it; largely for the same reasons as many of us who lived through the 70s the first time.

    too many toys.

  60. Shorter yet: believers must be sublimated.

    Laws laid down or derived from anything even smelling of a deific source (eg. our constitution, marriage etc) must be destroyed.

    The human mind is all knowing. There is no God. Get over it.

  61. I think he might have a future in sales, if you count blooming onions and the soup of the day.

    Possibly, Jeff. I think he’d make a shitty waiter, too. Best to keep him in the dishroom.

  62. Hey, there you are, slip-slop! You ignored me last night, even after I agreed that I was a racist, asked for a credential check and gave you a spelling lesson. What gives? I am cut to the quick.

  63. Opportunistic SPEED is still of the essence of socialist success. Urgency is all.

    Well, that and a profound ignorance as a source of propulsion.

    One of the great disservices of the Bowles-Simpson commission was that it fed the impression that tax reform could generate so much cash that it would permit a cut in tax rates.

    Grant Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson credit for good intentions — they were desperate to find a way to get Republicans on their commission to acknowledge the need for new revenues. Nonetheless, their effort was more a political deal than wise policy. They sent us down the wrong path.

  64. How can you prove that a property owner is discriminating solely on the basis of race if he doesn’t come out and admit it?

    This isn’t a hypothetical question, as it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of race in many circumstances. In short, you must provide evidence that convinces a judge or jury:

    http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/wiki/Proving-Unlawful-Employment-Discrimination.htm

    And even if he does, why does that concern you? It’s his property. Why do you presume a collection of elected officials have a right to demand he use his property the way they insist he use it?

    Because I precisely agree with the statement that: government does have some legitimate interest in protecting the social contract, not just in protecting individual rights and providing for defense.

    Also, do you reject the 9th and 10th amendments?

    No.

  65. Because I precisely agree with the statement that: government does have some legitimate interest in protecting the social contract

    Is not private property part of the social contract?

    If I want to have a gentleman’s club that only admits red haired Spaniards, what business of that of yours?

  66. Protecting individual rights is protecting the social contract.

  67. of is

  68. Slippy is one of those people so desperate to be seen as a thinker that he can’t bear to be accused of knowing anything.

  69. So in slippy’s world, employees are property? Because I note Jeff asked about property and slip-shod responded with a link to an employment lawyer.

  70. He’s in no danger there, McGehee.

  71. Shorter slurpy – racist science deniers

    I would love to see what a psychiatrist would have to say about its serial trolling, under countless names, multiple bannings, serial dishonesty, and its determination to take a shit in somebody’s living room when they are uninvited and unwanted.

  72. When all of your source material is written at a level of the average reader, a la Psychology Today, is rather difficult to buy into the notion that slippery is a thinker.

    He’s more of a regurgitator.

  73. He’s more of a regurgitator.

    Yesterday it was plagiarizing, like Willie the racist hilljack used to do.

  74. Protecting individual rights is protecting the social contract.

    Tell Jeff. He disagrees (those were his words. You knew that, right?)

    So in slippy’s world, employees are property? Because I note Jeff asked about property and slip-shod responded with a link to an employment lawyer.

    If proving discrimination related to property is fundamentally different than proving discrimination related to employment, then… YOU GOT ME!!!

  75. Apparently slippy believes that when someone hires you that’s a social contract.

  76. Other than the jew butchery, what are your objections to the National Socialist program slippyslop?

    After all, the first step to ridding yourself of your hateful notions is to admit that you harbor them, if only subconsciously.

  77. What are employers for except giving people jobs McGehee?

  78. “I raised your pathetic guilt by association cannard earlier. Are you going to to call or fold?”

    Ernst, you are metaphorically playing poker. Slippery Slope is not. Slippery Slope is metaphorically flicking boogers and overlaying doodles of horns and a hitler mustache on your image with his mental felt tip marker.

    He’s the guy who makes fun of Jesus, Leave it to Beaver, Spider-Man and Eisenhower to get a rise out of us, and says that we should develop a sense of humor when we frown at him. Then we make fun of Kurt Cobain, suggest that his lyrics aren’t that great, and that his melodies are more akin to simple, punchy, air-headed, commercial pop than the grim, complex, obscure alternative sound he claimed to value. Then devil may care, cool, thick skinned, funny man Slippery pisses his shorts in fury and outrage because we dared not pay proper obeisance to his chosen scared cow.

  79. “Protecting individual rights is protecting the social contract.”

    Protecting class rights according to one’s notions of social justice is not protecting individual rights. After all discrimination against an individual is tolerated or even encouraged in the name of fairness. It is discriminating against a protected class that has become a matter of civil and criminal law. If you don’t belong to a protected class then you are eligible for no protections.

  80. Tell Jeff. He disagrees.

    That is a lie, and you are a liar. Some components of the social contract may lie in conflict with individual property rights, but respecting and protecting property rights is a significant — probably the most significant — element of the social contract. Where one element comes into conflict with another, society may try to strike a balance; rarely should it impose a winner-take-all “solution” that obliterates an accepted part of the whole.

    Any fair reading of Jeff’s work, or any work by classical liberals and/or libertarians regarding the social contract would make that important distinction. It’s enough to make one suspect that you’re not interested in a fair reading of anything we have to say…

  81. no, slippery, we knew who and what you were from the beginning. Your kind deals in the 10 billion names of tyranny, because you never want to acknowledge that your kind longs for actual tyranny.

  82. Slippery is not interested in individual rights. And he thinks the social contact was written by Marx’s vision of progressive historiography and is immutable within the context of this “age”. The chosen will and must do the work of the people. The people are so deluded and distracted by the bosses that they are too stupid to recognize the great work is in their interest so they must be disregarded, confused, misled, intimidated, imprisoned, worked like slaves, or even killed so that their work can done by their betters in the name of history.

  83. The wife and I were talking the other day about how the new generation see themselves as almost a new creation, totally separate and above all that came before. The arrogant little apes denounce everything that came before them as irrelevant, outdated, and ridicules. They look at the fabulous riches around them, and reject all that made it happen, taking all the credit for themselves and admiring their own wonderfulness for doing it.

    THIS….My daughter just wrote an email to Jeff regarding this. Only 20, she sees it the same way and is disgusted by it. It’s not hopeless as long as some see the truth, but still I weep for the republic as long as the majority of our children are not being taught actual history.

  84. Your kind deals in the 10 billion names of tyranny, because you never want to acknowledge that your kind longs for actual tyranny.

    If telling an apartment owner that they can’t discriminate solely on the basis of race is tyranny, then I’m all for tyranny. I always thought of tyranny as more cruel and oppressive than that.

  85. - The collective, which people like slippy are drawn too from lack of self-sufficiency and in gemeral an alienation from society at large, works in a sort of fit and start fashion, right up to the point when theres no more of other peoples money left to support it.

    – But until then he gets to protent he is not worthless. So theres that.

  86. Slippery is not interested in individual rights. And he thinks the social contact was written by Marx’s vision of progressive historiography and is immutable within the context of this “age”. The chosen will and must do the work of the people. The people are so deluded and distracted by the bosses that they are too stupid to recognize the great work is in their interest so they must be disregarded, confused, misled, intimidated, imprisoned, worked like slaves, or even killed so that their work can done by their betters in the name of history.

    Caricature much?

  87. Maybe the new marriage certs can read Defaults to Top and Defaults to Bottom and have room at the bottom of the certificate for new registered sub-let quasi-marriage stations like ‘trusted fuck buddy’ or ‘one a month strange’.

  88. ” Caricature much?”

    Not a denial.

  89. “If telling an apartment owner that they can’t discriminate solely on the basis of race is tyranny, then I’m all for tyranny”

    Ends justify means.
    ‘Good’ intentions trump limits on power and erode property rights.

  90. I always thought of tyranny as more cruel and oppressive than that.

    – Mommy and daddy never taught you about the ‘camel ‘s nose in the tent’ parable, and as a direct result you have no understanding of the phrase “creeping incrimentalism”, nor the attendent dangers thereof.

    – Every tyranny in history has started with the intrusion of government into your civil rights at some microscopic level. Its success follows from the fact that there are always people like yourself that lack introspective and self-awareness.

  91. ” I always thought of tyranny as more cruel and oppressive than that.”

    Stupid, gullible people almost always do! That is how the cruel tyranny usually comes into power. The stupid people happily give out dictatorial power either in a lump or incrementally to an individual, or a bureaucracy precisely because they want someone to fix the bad patches and make the trains run on time. They want experts to control outcomes and create a structured caste system that supposedly improves everyone’s life. A utopia is held up before them like a carrot. But utopias are bullshit. The dictatorial power is used for other things (like cronyism, getting enemies, beak wetting, pragmatic experiments in redefining the meaning of property into commonly owned resources to be regulated and distributed by the government, police states, conduct codes that criminalize everyone and thus allow for control via subjective enforcement, class or ethnic “cleansing”, etc. ).

  92. I believe Hannah Arendt referred to this as the banality of evil.

  93. “‘camel ‘s nose in the tent’ ”

    ‘Foot in the door’ and ‘slippery slope’ are rhetoric designed to describe the same phenomenon in different emotional terms. ‘Slippery slope’ is the stigmatized form that described as a logical fallacy based in paranoia or excessive irrational pessimism. When you want to quiet a controversy about your policy you portray your opponent as falling for the ‘slippery slope’ fallacy. ‘Moving one inch down hill does not guarantee that you will move all the way down hill. What infantile balderdash! ‘

    But, when you want to stir up hysteria against your opponents policy you say ‘this is about getting a foot in the door’ and start talking about ‘boiling frogs slowly’.

    They say that they want to cut spending now but the truth is they hate ALL government spending! They want a world without fire stations and emergency rooms! They want a world without taxes of any kind! This spending cut they propose is just a foot in the door! ‘

  94. This isn’t a hypothetical question, as it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of race in many circumstances. In short, you must provide evidence that convinces a judge or jury

    Your link is a dodge. It tells me nothing. What kind of evidence? Recall, I set the theoretical thus: all other things being equal (on the resumes), the employer has an all white workforce. Does that “prove” racial discrimination?

    Similarly, presuming to take someone else’s private property for a thought crime is not part of the social contract. It’s theft of the unpopular by a rapacious form or populism disguised as moral rectitude.

    Further, if you don’t reject the 9th and 10th amendment, why the snark about states getting to decide, but my personal preference being otherwise. Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work?

  95. OT: The UN is voting on accepting statehood for Palestine. It looks like a done deal.

    It’s time for us to withdraw and tell the UN to move it’s offices to Dubai.

  96. “I always thought of tyranny as more cruel and oppressive than that.”

    It always comes masked in altruism and false justice. In sum, you’re quite supportive of exercising dominion and control over things that belong to others, such that their right to the property and those benefits flowing therefrom are directed to ends other than that which its owners freely choose. You strike at the idea of ownership itself, not discrimination.

  97. Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work?

    I think the game is heads he wins, tails we lose. We’re supposed to the the Washington Generals, you see.

  98. This spending cut they propose is just a foot in the door! ‘

    – Which of course is the linguistic trick in the first place, recasting the argument from the reverse to give yourselfa false gravitas.

    – Limiting taxation is not about ‘a foot in the door’ for the wage earner. Its about shoving the fucking camel back out the door where he belomgs.

    – The former strawman leaps from the samre tortured logic as the ‘against limited government’ meme arises.

    – The real probkem of course, is once established government NEVER voluntarily gives up power. And so the slippys of the world set all their fellow citizens up to suffer from their own limited and short sighted ideas.

    – Sliipy will be confused, not dismayed, that requires introspect he lacks, when the first edict comes down concerning social contracts that limits such things in the Chinese way, no more than two children per couple, along with a strict list of ‘who’ can qualify for such unions.

    – He will have to recalibrate his narrative continuously to keep up the happy face.

  99. “If telling an apartment owner that they can’t discriminate solely on the basis of race is tyranny, then I’m all for tyranny”

    If telling a government official he can’t force a devout Catholic to pay for someone else’s abortion is tyranny, are you still all for tyranny?

    Yes, I know, trick question. Only the first instance is actual tyranny, particularly in a country where the government allows itself to discriminate solely on the basis of race, then presumes to control your property so that you cannot, for whatever your reasons: for instance, you can be a black property owner who is more comfortable around whites, and wish to rent an open room in your home only to whites. And the obverse is true, as well. These would still be instances of discrimination based solely on race, would they not?

    Why, there ought to be a law!

  100. I guess persons who own rental properties that are re-zoned for Section 8 housing should just STFU about their loss of revenue if they have to take on new tenents?

    That doesn’t seem fair.

  101. Stupid, gullible people almost always do! That is how the cruel tyranny usually comes into power. The stupid people happily give out dictatorial power either in a lump or incrementally to an individual, or a bureaucracy precisely because they want someone to fix the bad patches and make the trains run on time.

    It’s also the way that tyranny doesn’t come into power. Name one government on the planet that doesn’t infringe on the individual to a degree greater than you would prefer. Is every government today a tyranny? Is every government headed there?

  102. - Slippryslope is sitting on his own ramp to overburdened governmental hell, and he has no idea hes intent on eating his own feet.

    – Which is what always happens when you let your ‘feelings’ rule your head.

  103. Slippery, I think you won’t know the face of tyranny until it’s loading you in the boxcar.

  104. Is every government today a tyranny? Is every government headed there?

    – That you even feel the need to ask such a self-evident and sophomoric question says it all slippy.

  105. - Incidentally slippy, you might note that dear leader is getting the hell out of dodge, sidling off to Honolulu during the three ceitical ‘fiscal cliff’ weeks.

    – He’ll probably wait to see how things are on the mainland before he finds reason to return.

    – Persinally I don’t blame him.

  106. In sum, you’re quite supportive of exercising dominion and control over things that belong to others, such that their right to the property and those benefits flowing therefrom are directed to ends other than that which its owners freely choose. You strike at the idea of ownership itself, not discrimination.

    Precisely. And all because he gets to preen around as if he’s more supportive of minorities than are we racists who insist on our private property rights — the very thing that keeps us free.

    Anybody read the American Spectator piece? The plan is to go after 401Ks and create a national retirement program, because only the “rich” have 401ks. Also, the plan is to create an escalator — a wealth subsidy — to close the “income gap.”

    I say why bother with all the finessing and nudging. Just print off everyone a trillion dollar bill and mail it to them in exchange for being able to take all their current wealth, whatever it is. Then we’re all rich, and it’s all “fair,” and we can start again afresh!

    Because that’s essentially the economic idiocy they are promoting.

  107. - That you even feel the need to ask such a self-evident and sophomoric question says it all slippy.

    If you’ve never read anything, BBH, it might seem like quite a perceptive question.

  108. It’s also the way that tyranny doesn’t come into power. Name one government on the planet that doesn’t infringe on the individual to a degree greater than you would prefer.

    United States of America, circa January 20, 2008?

  109. It’s also the way that tyranny doesn’t come into power. Name one government on the planet that doesn’t infringe on the individual to a degree greater than you would prefer. Is every government today a tyranny? Is every government headed there?

    Well you see, we used to have this thing called the Constitution conceived specifically to avoid this very thing. So long as we kept it, we were safe. But as Ben Franklin reminded us through a proxy, it would only last so long as people like you don’t become so debased that you want and need Despotism.

    That’s what American exceptionalism is about. That’s what the American experiment is. Obama and the left either don’t understand that or else pretend not to. As a way to get out of the constraints put on tyrants by enumerated powers, a bill of rights, natural rights, primacy of individual and property rights, checks and balances, separation of powers, and the powers granted to the states.

    It’s almost as if you believe American history began with you. Or maybe the New Deal, if I’m being generous.

  110. Your link is a dodge. It tells me nothing. What kind of evidence? Recall, I set the theoretical thus: all other things being equal (on the resumes), the employer has an all white workforce. Does that “prove” racial discrimination?

    It’s not a dodge because it’s not theoretical, it’s actual. There are cases where racial discrimination goes to court. Sometimes the plaintiff wins, sometimes the defendant does. In cases where the plaintiff has won, look up what evidence they presented. I’m not interested in being your law clerk.

    Similarly, presuming to take someone else’s private property for a thought crime is not part of the social contract. It’s theft of the unpopular by a rapacious form or populism disguised as moral rectitude.

    Sorry, what’s being taken. “I have an apartment for rent. It’s $1,000 per month. I can discriminate based on credit rating, rental history, or any but a handful of other things.” Where’s the theft?

    Further, if you don’t reject the 9th and 10th amendment, why the snark about states getting to decide, but my personal preference being otherwise. Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work?

    Mainly because of the Polygamy!!! Polygamy!!!

  111. Jeff, you want to defend the “rights” of property owners to discriminate solely on the basis of race, and you (presumably) want to win elections so that you can effect such policy changes. How do you reconcile those? The former position inexorably leading to minorities overwhelmingly voting for the other team.

  112. Why are so invested in this topic, slippery? It’s as if race colors your world view of any topic.

    This topic was put to bed before you were born.

  113. It’s not a dodge because it’s not theoretical, it’s actual. There are cases where racial discrimination goes to court. Sometimes the plaintiff wins, sometimes the defendant does. In cases where the plaintiff has won, look up what evidence they presented. I’m not interested in being your law clerk.

    And I’m not interested in what a jury decided with respect to EO laws for businesses, save in the case I’ve noted and that you continue to ignore: all resumes being equal, and an all white work force, is this “proof” of racial discrimination. I imagine to some jury somewhere it is. And their opinion carries legal weight.

    But we’re talking rights here. So answer the question: is such an employee pool proof of racial discrimination?

    Sorry, what’s being taken. “I have an apartment for rent. It’s $1,000 per month. I can discriminate based on credit rating, rental history, or any but a handful of other things.” Where’s the theft?

    The theft is of the “I have.” Because you don’t. Not in any real sense anymore.

    Mainly because of the Polygamy!!! Polygamy!!!

    I guess you missed to Turley, and the litany of other names Libby through out. And by “missed,” I of course mean “ignored, because they point to how woefully uneducated I am about the things I presume to sneer at.”

  114. - Resort to dramatics does not move the discussion along any more than self referential circular logic of the Because shutup sort of polemic slippy.

    – ‘You want what you want’ would at least be honest, if no more intellectually thought out.

  115. Jeff, you want to defend the “rights” of property owners to discriminate solely on the basis of race, and you (presumably) want to win elections so that you can effect such policy changes. How do you reconcile those? The former position inexorably leading to minorities overwhelmingly voting for the other team.

    Firstly, because I don’t want to defend the “rights” of property owners to discriminate solely on the basis of race. I simply want to defend the rights of property owners to do with their property as they see fit, it being theirs.

    It’s very similar to the idea that I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it. Only with property rights. See how that works? I defend a principle. I don’t try to micromanage every conceivable situation that may look to someone else to be untoward. Because I’m not a liberal fascist.

    Also, I’ve pointed out that blacks renting only to whites or whites renting only to blacks because that’s who they are comfortable renting to is “discrimination based solely on race.” Should they be punished? For their personal preferences and comfort in property they own and is theirs?

    Advocating for your being able to better know how to use and keep and enjoy the fruits of your labor than does some temporary politician who has to cobble together voting blocs through promises of special dispensation, is not leading minorities to vote for the other team.

    The fact that they seem to be as confused about what liberty is as are you is what leads them to vote overwhelmingly for the other team. That, and free shit.

    And because the GOP runs mushy us-too moderates, our message doesn’t get much play. Which is presumably why you have no idea what it actually is, beyond the cartoons that have been prepared for you, and that you’ve taken up as a kind of status marker.

    You’re a useful idiot. And there are millions more like you. You just seem to enjoy it, is what’s so fascinating to me.

  116. I’m actually a little surprised by the Left’s slowness to agressively promote incest — at least, “adult” incest — and brother-sister marriage, father-daughter marriage, father-daughter-brother-son marriage, and so on.

    I’m not sure if they think promoting it would be too soon; “jumping the shark” as it were. You would think it would be coming; but, maybe not. Consistency is not a strong point of the dark side.

  117. Also, though they may never make the push (openly) for pedophilia; wouldn’t infantophilia be perfectly acceptable … I mean, if you can “expose” a child until he’s two years old, what can’t you do to/with him?

  118. Caricature much?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

  119. I’m not interested in being your law clerk.

    – You’re obviously not interested in defending your own civil liberties either, so what exactly do you engage in that makes your existance meaningful?

  120. Yuri, they’re currently busy promoting “inter-generational” relationships. Give it some time.

  121. Slippery, I think you won’t know the face of tyranny until it’s loading you in the boxcar.

    Not even then. He will go cheerfully to the Soylent Industries processing plant, proud to know that his packaging will be green.

  122. Shorter Slippery: Slippery knows the precise quantum of freedom you need.

  123. - The so-called ‘elite’ apparently lack even the most basic of judgement when it comes to human nature, in that they completely ignore reality in favor of personal feelings in its stead.

    – Which I suppose makes perfect sense when your world view stems from living in a mental basement all your life where reality is whatever success you can achieve in World of Warcraft.

  124. Firstly, because I don’t want to defend the “rights” of property owners to discriminate solely on the basis of race. I simply want to defend the rights of property owners to do with their property as they see fit, it being theirs.

    The latter includes the former, so you are, in fact, defending the right to discriminate on the basis of race and other things.

    It’s very similar to the idea that I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it.

    I defend one’s right to say it too. I just don’t defend one’s right to do it. It being, discriminate in housing or employment on the basis of race.

    Also, I’ve pointed out that blacks renting only to whites or whites renting only to blacks because that’s who they are comfortable renting to is “discrimination based solely on race.” Should they be punished? For their personal preferences and comfort in property they own and is theirs?

    Yeah, it’s not legal.

    You’re a useful idiot. And there are millions more like you. You just seem to enjoy it, is what’s so fascinating to me.

    And you’re quarantining yourself safely away from policy makers via your barrier of untenable positions. It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration.

  125. “The latter includes the former, so you are, in fact, defending the right to discriminate on the basis of race and other things.”

    In determining the use of one’s own rental property either fairly or unfairly. We are all gloriously set free to do those things that do not offend you in other words. There is no property unless it is used as you would have it used. Thus, there is no property, only tax responsibility and liability and a chance for some profit IF the one held responsible acts as you wish him to.

  126. It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration.

    – Well, while you’re busy flouncing around with the celebratory butterflies, and superior Unicorns, you might want to consider that sooner or later what you’ll be celebrating is your own civil imprisonment.

    – But hwy, no time for actual thinking, theres celebarting to be done!

    – (Cautionary hint: Get rid of all mirrors. The last thing you need to burst your utopian bubble is to notice the ears and tail beggining to grow.)

  127. The latter includes the former, so you are, in fact, defending the right to discriminate on the basis of race and other things.

    Ah, I see. So when I defend free speech, I’m defending hate speech, it being included in the former. And hate speech being bad, I should probably stop defending free speech. It being “untenable.”

    I defend one’s right to say it too. I just don’t defend one’s right to do it. It being, discriminate in housing or employment on the basis of race.

    No,it being the idea of private property, which it isn’t, if you have a say in how it’s used, and your say trumps that of the private property owner, who isn’t harming anyone by renting out a room in his own house.

    But finally we’re getting somewhere: you are saying that if a white guy,eg., rents out a room in his house, and over the years, he’s rented only to black women, say (because he gets along well with black women for whatever reason, and this consensual arrangment makes him and them happy and comfortable), he should be punished. Because what he’s doing is not legal. Renting to whom he wishes to rent to.

    Good. Then we’ve reached the crux of the matter, which is not at all surprising to anyone here: you don’t believe in private property rights. And you conflate preference with actionable discrimination. Why? Because you presume you can see into people’s hearts, and you are more moral than are they, so you should be able to tell them what to do.

    You are granting yourself a moral authority that isn’t yours to grant.

    you’re quarantining yourself safely away from policy makers via your barrier of untenable positions. It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration.

    My positions are Constitutional. It speaks to the sadness of the age when a fascist dolt looks at the Constitution as untenable and cares only about his “side” winning elections, immune to the very real fact that his side is using those wins to further enslave all of us, including the fascist dolt.

    But maybe you’re typing all this in a gimp suit, what do I know? At least then it would make sense.

  128. Freedom of speech means freedom to say bad shit. Property means you can use something in a way that others don’t approve of and consider bad for society.

    Keep in mind Slippery that good intentions routinely lead to bad law. You can be against discrimination without being for laws against it. There are ways to deal with evil things in society without empowering the gendarmes to run more of our lives. But, you can’t be for property rights when you favor laws that destroy or erode property rights in the name of ending discrimination or anything else that can be sold a a good social goal.

  129. We really do need a better class of troll. Remember Phoenician? Now those were the days.

  130. It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration.

    If that’s true, why are you here? Aren’t you in danger of convincing us, using your mighty rhetoric, to change our ways so that we might be a danger to the future power grabs by the Democrats?

    Perhaps you should retire from the field with the knowledge that, once again, Truth has won out, and we wingnuts are too stupid to see that.

  131. Not even then. He will go cheerfully to the Soylent Industries processing plant, proud to know that his packaging will be green.

    Excellent.

    Smithers? My robe.

    Remember Phoenician? Now those were the days.

    I recall the mocking handle “Phone technician in a time of roaming.” Classic.

  132. - Might as well accept it. We’ll all suffer while the Left learns the sad truth that you cannot legislate human nature.

    – How many more rounds of truthiness learning by the Left will society be forced to endure?

  133. How many more rounds of truthiness learning by the Left will society be forced to endure?

    They won’t learn. They deny the truth in front of them. They deny the tens of millions who have died on the alter of socialism, and they will continue to do so even if the dead physically surround them.

    They cannot be reasoned with. They must be marginalized or destroyed.

  134. We already have cities that tried to make it illegal to sell ‘conflict coffee’ and toys with children’s meals. 32 oz. soda? Fuck you. You have no right to let people drink that much soda. We want people to be healthy and not obese, so we take control. And when that doesn’t have the desired effect we take MORE control because the answer is always more money and power. It’s the Lucas solution to a boring or disappointing scene. ‘Do the same thing only faster and more intense’ and digitally move this guy over there a little bit. But that’s not tyranny. Oh no! Don’t be silly!

  135. I guess “alter” should have been “altar.”

    I’m lazy.

  136. “Perhaps you should retire from the field with the knowledge that, once again, Truth has won out, and we wingnuts are too stupid to see that.”

    I want the useful idiot to see what happens when the idiots are no longer of use.

  137. I want the useful idiot to see what happens when the idiots are no longer of use.

    – If you want to see that in real time just hold your nose and make a quick visit to the crystal echo chambers of HuffPoop.

    – Drop a comment in any of the Obama love fest articles as follows:

    “So now that we know from his record that dear Leader is a total war monger, what with Gitmo, the pursuit of both wars, and his ‘kill list’ using drones to murder 3000 innocent Islamists, women and children, and making Bush/Chaney look like Sunday school teachers by comparison, where are all the calls for him to be tried for war crimes. Where are all the protests, Code Pink, and Sister Sheehan. Why are all the Progressives remaining silent?”

    – You’ll either be told to ‘because shiutup’, or you’ll get crickets.

    – The Left simply can’t deal with Obama’s total betrayal of every promise he made to get elected.

  138. Can’t seem to grab slip-slop’s attention. Must have been because of when I harpooned him as johntaylor.
    Let’s try this – Black’s Law Dictionary defines marriage as the “[l]egal union of one man and one woman as husband and wife.” Just like the definition of “apple” (according to Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary – yes, it’s old, but definitions don’t change (oops, gave a clue)) is “the fleshy usu. rounded and red or yellow edible pome fruit of a tree (genus Malus) of the rose family.”
    Civil society has been quite successful and satisfied using the former definition, and I suspect that if you defined the latter as an “orange”, you might get some push-back.
    So, I suggested to Happyfeet some time ago that he could have the word “garriage” to define gay marriage. All of the same legal rights, privileges and responsibilities of marriage. But not “marriage”, because it is already taken.
    How do you like them apples?

  139. - One suggestion Red. Hoe about gayraige© ?

  140. team R never should’ve acted like there was jack shit they could do about gay marriage in the first place

    Now they just look stupid

  141. Seems like that one is not taken, either, bbh. I’ll offer both of them to slip-slop. With your permission, of course. Intellectual property such as copyrights is still “private property.” For now.

  142. Have to agree with you there, happy, that Team R does look stupid on many fronts. If team D is the party of free shit, Team R is the party of dumb shit.

  143. Then we’ve reached the crux of the matter, which is not at all surprising to anyone here: you don’t believe in private property rights. And you conflate preference with actionable discrimination.

    What’s “actionable discrimination.” vs. “race preference”?

  144. Dude, you believe that property is theft.

    Just say it.

  145. Dude, you believe that property is theft.

    What?

  146. What’s “actionable discrimination.” vs. “race preference”?

    actionable discrimination occurs when you choose hohos over twinkies while race preference is deciding which nascar events to see next year.

  147. What’s “actionable discrimination.” vs. “race preference”?

    Both are crimes according to you, even though there’s clearly no evidence of racial animus in the example I offered, just a preference. The white guy who rents to the black woman doesn’t, because of his preference for black women, necessarily dislike whites. He is not a self hater because of a preference about whom he wishes to have around his house, nor is he a racist. This is clear. And yet the same law is applied to him. He should be legally punished, according to you, and for what? Because he doesn’t comport with your idea that he has to switch up the color of people he likes to rent to, not because he’s a racist. That is, you want him punished for not being attuned to your vapid superficial symbolism.

    Face it: You don’t believe in private property. You don’t believe a private citizen should be able to choose to whom he rents out his own space, even if that private citizen isn’t hurting anyone, is engaged in a mutually beneficial contract with another willing citizen, and isn’t a racist or some other cartoonish monster of the left’s imagining.

    You worship at the altar of conspicuous moral vanity and top-down, one-size-fits-all big government dictates. You’re a fascist. It’s who you are. Just go with it.

  148. Okay! I hereby declare ME as the winnah! Slip-slop dare not even engage my gigantic cranium! The rest of you can bow down, worship and feare!
    Much like Galadriel with the Ring of Power.

  149. That would be “fear me. “. Damn Ring interfered with my iPhone.

  150. Slip would never make it in sales because he doesn’t listen.

  151. I always thought of tyranny as more cruel and oppressive than that

    Huh oh, I feel another Reagan quote coming on…

    The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’

    As the devil is actually very attractive, so is tyranny. They want to “help”, and their agenda is to assume authority in order to do that.

    We’re dying We died the death of one thousand cuts. Only it was a kazillion laws and regulations. From toys in happy meals to CAFE standards, eight pages of warnings for can opener to tax law no one can understand, prohibiting smoking in outdoor public spaces to making it impossible for a coal fired electric plant to conform to regulation, sin taxes on sodas to little girls being handcuffed for pretending a chicken finger could shoot, and on and on and on.

    The tyrant sooo wants to help you.

  152. Slip would never make it in sales because he doesn’t listen.

    That’s for sure. His negotiating skills are nil, as well.

    Keep him away from the coffee. Coffee is for closers only!

  153. Both are crimes according to you, even though there’s clearly no evidence of racial animus in the example I offered, just a preference. The white guy who rents to the black woman doesn’t, because of his preference for black women, necessarily dislike whites. He is not a self hater because of a preference about whom he wishes to have around his house, nor is he a racist. This is clear. And yet the same law is applied to him. He should be legally punished, according to you, and for what? Because he doesn’t comport with your idea that he has to switch up the color of people he likes to rent to, not because he’s a racist. That is, you want him punished for not being attuned to your vapid superficial symbolism.

    “I prefer to hire white people, well, just because I have found over the years that they’re better workers. I feel like they’re more honest and less likely to shuck and jive me and call in sick on a Monday. It’s not that I hate black people. I have a number of black friends, I’d just rather hire a white person. I’m just a lot more comfortable with it.”

    Perfectly reasonable? Nope. You can think so, in fact, I hope you do, because it will ensure that your team can’t win office outside of red states. And with the demographics, Texas will be a swing state before long.

    Face it: You don’t believe in private property. You don’t believe a private citizen should be able to choose to whom he rents out his own space, even if that private citizen isn’t hurting anyone, is engaged in a mutually beneficial contract with another willing citizen, and isn’t a racist or some other cartoonish monster of the left’s imagining.
    You worship at the altar of conspicuous moral vanity and top-down, one-size-fits-all big government dictates. You’re a fascist. It’s who you are. Just go with it.

    That’s a lot of big boy language, but you’re the one that would fight for the “right” to hire or pick renters solely on the basis of race.

  154. That’s a lot of big boy language, but you’re the one that would fight for the “right” to hire or pick renters solely on the basis of race.

    Where did he say that, using those words? He didn’t. You did.

  155. Crap, I should have looked it up.

    I should have said “the 9 billion names of tyranny.” I was going for a subtle reference and got the number wrong.

    Drat.

  156. My father has told me since I was a wee crankster that the devil would not appear in a red suit with a pitchfork. He would be wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase.

  157. , I’d just rather hire a white person. I’m just a lot more comfortable with it.

    what exactly is wrong with discrimination?

  158. Perfectly reasonable? Nope.

    Conflating employees and property again. Geez, you learn slow.

  159. I hate to say it, but I almost miss semanticleo.

  160. here’s some discrimination slippey

    There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through.

    link

  161. Perfectly reasonable? Nope. You can think so, in fact, I hope you do, because it will ensure that your team can’t win office outside of red states. And with the demographics, Texas will be a swing state before long.

    – And there you have it. The Leftueds one and only true principle. Winning.

    – Everything else is agitprop, time filling noise. Which you might as well ignore, because you can’t argue with a willful liar.

  162. what exactly is wrong with discrimination?

    I believe slope is of the opinion preference is ok if you’re using any other metric besides race. Discrimination(defined as: exclusion from participation, in any conceivable circumstance, by consideration in any degree, race ) against one particular race is and should be a criminal offense. If you don’t agree completely, no one will like you and they won’t friend you on Facebook.

    Asshole don’t give a shit I can’t get hired to wait tables at Hooters though, if I got it right.

  163. Asshole don’t give a shit I can’t get hired to wait tables at Hooters though, if I got it right.

    i’m surprised trannys haven’t sued

  164. Ok, no joy. I’m going back in my foxhole to get my tail feathers nibbled. Slip-slop, you’re a coward.

  165. Tell Jeff. He disagrees (those were his words. You knew that, right?)

    Jeff doesn’t assume a right to the apartment or job you want. You do. You’re not endorsing protecting individual rights, you’re happily subsuming them to government power and your notion of social justice. Asshole.

  166. team R never should’ve acted like there was jack shit they could do about gay marriage in the first place

    Where Spouse A and Spouse B? Fucking genius.

  167. We really do need a better class of troll. Remember Phoenician? Now those were the days.

    How about actus? Now that boy was tenacious.

  168. these are the same rape baby bigots that predicted utter disaster if we let gay people serve in the same uniform as notable whorebangers like the david petraeus (sp?)

    at some point you’d think they’d realize they suck ass at this game

  169. Slip blathered:

    It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration.

    cranky-d wrote:
    If that’s true, why are you here? Aren’t you in danger of convincing us, using your mighty rhetoric, to change our ways so that we might be a danger to the future power grabs by the Democrats?

    Because he hates us and he thinks his “celebration” causes us pain. There’s also likely a motivation to beat down all us icky people who disagree with him by him gloating about how “isolated” we are and such. Oh and he seems to want to martyr himself by being enough of a jackass that he’s banned and then pretend it was “disagreement” or “suppressing dissent” that got him banned instead of being a jackass.

    Standard progressive troll tactics, in other words.

    There’s a reason why I suspect he was grown in a vat somewhere.

  170. Gay people have been serving in uniform as long as there has been a uniform. #derp

    Best to throw in with those who want to get the pie out of chow halls and make sure there’s no candy in the barracks vending machines. Because butseks make an Army strong. FORWARD.

  171. rape baby bigots

    are they like abortion baby bigots

  172. What actus was, was dense. Denser than neutronium. Trying to engage him was what led to the coinage of the phrase “typing telephone pole.”

    Whereas slippy is just slippery. Trying to engage him is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.

  173. Now they do it openly… In spite of what Jesus and the Republican Party says.

    And that’s exactly what will happen with marriage.

  174. why they put a horse up first in dat gay wymens thing? are they into bestiality too?

  175. gay peeps are the proggtards little pets. like black peeps only with more lavender.

  176. There’s a reason why I suspect he was grown in a vat somewhere.

    Oh my God. It’s 905!

  177. And that’s exactly what will happen with marriage.

    They’re taking the pie away? Bastards.

  178. In spite of what Jesus and the Republican Party says.

    you don’t like christians?

  179. I think it’s a lot more likely r pat is the gayest one cause he just seems very gayish whereas k stew seems more like she just can’t help herself around guys especially married ones

  180. It’s the glitter. R Pat gets props for hating the Twilight movies and the fans openly.

    He makes them for the money.

  181. The Lunny family, which owns the oyster farm, was among a group of families that sold their ranch lands to the National Parks Service in the 1970s to protect them from developers, with the understanding they would get 40-year-leases renewed in perpetuity.

    “We’re from the government and we’re here to help.”

  182. I’m a watch the twilight movies someday maybe. And the Potter ones.

    I just need more time to work up to it.

  183. a real state would seize the fed’s land in this instance

  184. yes but do you like christians or do you discriminate?

  185. “It’s not fascinating to me, it’s a relief and a cause for celebration. ”

    Eat, Drink, and be Merry!

    (still not inviting direct response)

  186. politics and theology are not like peabnut bubber and chockit they do not taste good together Mr newrouter

  187. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

  188. I haven’t seen any of those movies, either. Or TLORs movies.

    I don’t care for fantasies too much. All the new movies being made seem to be about weirdos so I probably won’t see those either.

  189. there’s nothing immoral about gay people getting married there’s something deeply immoral about the government forcing a fourteen year old girl to bear a child for a slavering foul-smelling rapist

  190. So, happy, in your world, rape > murder?

  191. politics and theology

    like proggtardism? it combines better than the jesus peeps do. sold 24/7/365 on a tv near you

  192. forcing a fourteen year old girl to bear a child for a slavering foul-smelling rapist

    why are you discriminating against certain sperm? do you object to muhummad and his 9 year old “wife”?

  193. in my world people would get to live their lives with minimal interference from an arrogant failshit government what is as deeply immoral as it is fiscally imprudent

    and in these end days of America your precious constitution is of less value than the paper John Roberts uses to wipe his deeply religious pervert ass with I think.

  194. forcing a fourteen year old girl to bear a child for a slavering foul-smelling rapist

    women make babies. why is rape baby bad but a hook up baby good? both babies can be killed in proggtardistan but why is one dead baby better than the other dead baby?

  195. In the real world, the moderate California GOP gets donkeystomped regularly, while the “christer” Texas GOP has kicked ass and taken names for the past twenty years.

  196. It’s like nishi never left.

  197. We should prolly get a new Constitution with the baby killing and food stamps and buttseks and wealth redistribution and whatnot.

    Nobody’s gonna vote for that one that’s like a hundred years old and all kinds of confusing.

  198. We should prolly get a new Constitution with the baby killing and food stamps and buttseks and wealth redistribution and whatnot.

    Nobody’s gonna vote for that one that’s like a hundred years old and all kinds of confusing.

    That should be the new California GOP platform, if it isn’t already.

  199. It’s like nishi never left.

    I sometimes wonder how she ended it all.

  200. in my world people would get to live their lives with minimal interference from an arrogant failshit government what is as deeply immoral as it is fiscally imprudent

    so why do gay peeps need the gov’t to “bless” their lifestyle?

  201. Not one R candidate pissed away a senate seat this year by proposing appalling and extremist job creation ideas Mr LaRoche

    Weirdo religious nuts on the other hand went hog fucking wild.

    It’s one of those compare and contrast things

  202. why do whorebanging sluts like general david petraeus get to have his sham marriage blessed by failshit America Mr newrouter

    it’s decidedly arbitrary

  203. “happyfeet says November 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    Not one R candidate pissed away a senate seat this year by proposing appalling and extremist job creation ideas Mr LaRoche
    Weirdo religious nuts on the other hand went hog fucking wild.
    It’s one of those compare and contrast things

    Karl Rove’s super PAC was 2/10.

    Scott brown got his ass tossed out. Y’all ain’t winnin’ shit so y’all a spinnin’ shit instead.

  204. Not one R candidate pissed away a senate seat this year by proposing appalling and extremist job creation ideas Mr LaRoche

    Didn’t follow the Massachusetts senate race this year, did you? Nor the presidential election, apparently.

    And as for compare and contrast, see California GOP vs. Texas GOP above.

  205. why do whorebanging sluts like general david petraeus get to have his sham marriage blessed by failshit America Mr newrouter

    The Army takes a very dim view of whorebanging among the married folk. The Obama Administration and Andrew Sullivan not so much.

  206. Drat, palaeomerus beat me to it.

  207. It’s like nishi never left.

    I sometimes wonder how she ended it all.

    No doubt anime and Avatar were involved.

  208. Scott brown got his ass tossed out.

    By a fake Indian. Chalk one up for the slope.

  209. why do whorebanging sluts like general david petraeus get to have his sham marriage blessed by failshit America Mr newrouter

    because of the children

  210. Scott Brown lost Ted Kennedy’s seat

    Todd Akin lost a seat in the lifeydoodle heartland

    It’s another compare and contrast thing

  211. Lifeydoodle states like Montana and North Dakota elected Democrats to the Senate this year. Try again.

  212. why do whorebanging sluts like general david petraeus get to have his sham marriage blessed by failshit America Mr newrouter

    ask bill clinton

  213. Todd Akin lost a seat in the lifeydoodle heartland

    thanks to the gop. you go “ruling” class rethugs

  214. Happy is all judgey of a sudden re: whorebanging. Why do uou hate whorebangers, feets?

  215. “It’s another compare and contrast thing”

    No it’s just lame excuse bullshit that you expect from losers trying to maintain credibility they know they’ve lost.

  216. if only Team R’s candidates in Montana and North Dakota had been more vocal about rape babies…

  217. North Dakota had been more vocal about rape babies…

    how many “rape babies” verses abortions in this failshit cuntry

  218. It’s all the same to me. I’m not voting for or contributing to republicans again. They aren’t worth it. All they do is talk big, sell out, fuck up, preach against their own platform, and dagger each other in the back every time the humidity changes. They’re just crooked fucking fools who like brief shows of false affection when they turn on their own, and who have nothing to offer the voter but bravado, treachery, stupidity, spite, disappointment, and excuses.

  219. Why do uou hate whorebangers, feets?

    They’re not intrasex. The bastards.

  220. If only the California GOP were more moderate…

  221. Speaking from lifeydoodleland, go fuck yourself.

  222. why is preaching about the gaydumb stuff good but preaching christianity bad? are you evil? are you stupid? are you a proggtard? are you “discriminating”?

  223. Funny, but the “religious weirdos” who lost didn’t get the support of the GOP, or in Mourdock’s case, Lugar’s endorsement. After conservatives supported that twat for 36 years.

    McCaskill’s last campaign ad was of the GOP blasting Todd Akin.

    Rove’s army of candidates got creamed. One of the GOP establishment’s favorites — their keynoter, Ann Coulter’s obese undercover angel — actively sank Romney’s campaign. Meanwhile, Jeff Flake and Deb Fischer and Ted Cruz made it in.

    Revisionist history is for leftists, happy. Even those who sometimes vote Republican because they like lower taxes.

  224. I’m done with team R too Mr palaeomerus

    They’re embarrassing and also they’re stagnant like a puddle of twinkie filling

  225. Mr Jeff it’s a far more meaningful failure of Team R’s intrepid establishmentarianism that they support the continuance of stale feckless leadership like boehner and mcconnell than it is that they walk away from people spouting inane crap about rape I think

  226. yea but do like hohos over twinkies ? discriminating peeps want to know.

  227. chris christie is a nasty whore for sure

    but that christie todd whitman slut was no prize either

  228. I’m sick of queers and their yapping about their lifestyles and how fabulous they are. I’ve known a lot of homosexuals in my lifetime and not a one of them was a happy person. They drink too much. They’ll screw a snake. They do a lot of drugs.

    They’ve ruined the entertainment industry with their tawdry tales.

    They’re a bunch of attention whores who need to STFU because no one cares about them.

    Babies are a different story.

  229. spouting inane crap about rape I think

    inane like: global warming, or the rest of the proggtard agenda?

  230. chris christie is a nasty whore for sure

    but that christie todd whitman slut was no prize either

    happy rinos no?

  231. Rape. Queers. Racism (perceived). Religious intolerance. Global warming. Et fucking al.

    Grievance commitee meets at 7 pm, weather permitting.

  232. get off of leigh’s lawn chop chop

  233. and why is it so hard to find a country station in west virfuckingginia

  234. Something I like about PW is knowing that there is a place for Burkean conservatives of random perspectives nowadays. These places keep going away. (Many places doesn’t see the natural connections between certain groups.)

    We have different names for this whole deal but I don’t feel any need to take shots at my religious friends or pretend I’m more sophisticated.

    It’s a (secular) blessing.

  235. Get off of mine, too.

  236. No. You can all come over and admire my fabulous kitchen that Hubs remodeled for me. It’s to die for.

    I’ll make snacks.

  237. I agree, bh. PW is that rara avis we all look for.

  238. What kind of snacks, leigh?

  239. and why is it so hard to find a country station in west virfuckingginia

    rape babies perhaps or coal dust

  240. leigh, just put on a pot of strong black coffee and I’m there. Give me a cool morning, a cup of joe and some manly type yard work and I’m there.

    Bushes need to be dug out?

    Sprinkler head needs to be dug out?

    Garbage disposal needs to be replaced? (okay, the last is not outside work, but that was the chore this evening. By the way, if I ever meet the person who recommended using a car scissor jack to hold the new disposal in place while tightening, dinner is on me)

  241. i agree with bh except for the part about not taking shots at religious lunatics what are hellbent on infusing team r politics with their theocratic crazy cat lady lila rose focus on the family 700 club freakery

  242. I’ve got summer sausage and strong cheeses. Also several kinds of olives and a big bottle of bourbon. Pop and iced tea for us tee-totalers.

    Awesome, Blake. I’ll keep you in mind.

  243. I once confused you as someone troubled with empathy, ‘feets.

    No worries. I don’t anymore.

  244. “Religious lunatics” ain’t the ones that ran up trillions of dollars in debt. That’s all on the secular socialists and their RINO enablers.

  245. I’ve got summer sausage and strong cheeses. Also several kinds of olives and a big bottle of bourbon. Pop and iced tea for us tee-totalers.

    Mmmm…..

  246. freshly sliced jalapenos would be tasty with that

    i’m carting around gallons of boiled peanuts for when i get to minnesota so the niece and nephew can try

  247. taking shots at religious lunatics what

    hi algore!!!

  248. don’t be weird bh you’ve never even met me

  249. al gore is no more relevant to contemporary politics than that palin chick

    it’s cause he tried to fuck this massage lady or something

  250. Yep.

    On and on it goes.

  251. That “Palin chick” is about to give her detractors a whole lot of butthurt in the coming year. Which reminds me, 64% of the candidates her PAC supported this year won their races. But haters gonna hate no matter what.

  252. Queers are really expensive to maintain when they contract The Virus through their slutty behaviors. Their refusal to take responsibility for the fact that they are dirty whores and to adamantly demand that they be allowed to donate blood at the Red Cross (probably to finance their drug habits) contaminated the blood supply nationwide and lead to many senseless deaths of innocents who needed regular blood transfusions to keep them alive. Hemophiliacs and the like, most of them children.

    They were also squarely behind propogating the myth of heterosexual AIDS back before it spread like wildfire through intaveneous drug usage and the whorish behaviorof the general population who said ‘It’s just sex’ not knowing that they were getting a slow killer with that one night stand. Now we have a whole population that is HIV positive and on SSI—forever.

    Irresponsible as hell.

  253. that palin chick is about to release a bunch of tasty low carb recipes is what i heard

    it’s very exciting i should give her some of my ones what you can make in a motel room with just a small rice cooker

  254. Palin at 64% to Rove’s 20% and loss of a gimme presidential election.

    Yeah. Palin’s the problem. What we need is more Jeb Bush.

  255. maybe rove was trying to challenge himself

    some races were heavier lifts than others you know

  256. al gore is no more relevant to contemporary politics

    can you say current tv or
    Dionne Warwick Do You Know the Way to San Jose 1968

  257. i thought current was for sale

  258. some races were heavier lifts than others you know

    like ct and nd or wi?

  259. ‘Feets is a pretty shitty person. I have no idea why he’s even around again.

    Let’s talk about that for awhile if we’re going to talk about random bullshit.

  260. i have no idea i wasn’t following this whole thing very closely i been on the road since mid september

  261. i want to know your directions to san jose?

  262. yeah well you’re an emotional cripple who looks to the internet for a place of solace

  263. san jose i used to go to all the time cause of yahoo is right there u just go to the burbank airport and get on southwest

  264. I’m thinking you should maybe keep fucking off for awhile.

    In your terms, you’re a mean person, you’re a dick. Do you get this?

  265. get a different fixation weirdo

  266. yeah well you’re an emotional cripple who looks to the internet for a place of solace

    Yeah, I know.

    What a monster I’ve become. On the plus side, you’re the guy who’s here to set me straight. Cheers to you.

  267. u just go to the burbank airport and get on southwest

    heck i thought you knew the way to san jose or rape babies or hookup babies or the rise and fall of western civ. oh well little debbies for the crew.

  268. i’m ignoring you cause you’re fragile and weird so you can blah blah all you want i’m not engaging you until you can learn not to be so emotional and fraught

  269. actually i used to listen to frankie’s version of that song

    the frankie what went to hollywood

  270. i’m ignoring you cause you’re fragile and weird

    and can’t find country music in west virginia

  271. This is a hard moment for me.

    I guess ‘feets isn’t really a super nice guy.

  272. are you drunk?

  273. death match

    cat in ceiling vs pikachu popcorn by al frakthem

  274. i have to go to bed soon anyway i’m like 5 hours ahead of y’all and i have to get up early for to hike around the park and eat sweet potatos

  275. are you drunk?

    near but no you? if not why not?

  276. to hike around the park and eat sweet potatos

    your methane will be recorded- sincerely big gov’t

  277. are you drunk?

    No, I tend to get drunk on weekends.

    I’m just surprised you’re back. Why?

    Do we really need another twenty cycles of you transgressing and then pretending to apologize and then starting new?

    It’s old. Your bit is fucking old. Why is this happening again?

  278. since i left i got drunk in allen texas and then in athens georgia and then i drank some on thanksgiving day with my meal and afterwards i went back to my room and had a few glasses of plum wine and sake cause of i was sad about my friend in rockaway what lost his whole house cause of superstorm sandy and that’s what we used to drink in chinatown every year

  279. i’m not back per se really

  280. oh mr bh did i tell you i finally got a tom n jerry!

    this guy in blowing rock made it from a book and then he made another one

    they are definitely tasty and he beat eggs and got all up in his chef’s spice cabinet

  281. I can go away for awhile instead. It might be that pw is more your place than mine.

    Me and guins could ride the rails for awhile.

  282. nonono how about you can make your comments about stuff and i will make mine sometimes and we don’t have to make things all personal and awkward

  283. It’s old. Your bit is fucking old. Why is this happening again?

    He likes lower taxes. He just wishes progressives did too so he wouldn’t have to slum it with the lowbrow Christers and the uppity suburban soccer mom politicos who should know their fucking place because Christ they probably think Velveeta is cheese and Flaubert’s Parrot a breakfast cereal mascot.

  284. i make chicken spaghetti with velveeta no i’m lying i use ralph’s brand

  285. i like lower spending too

    also i like the idea of government being distant and unobtrusive like supermodels and powerball winners and native americans

  286. I don’t know a different way to read it, Jeff. I don’t.

    It’s all about markers for some. That’s it. That’s all there is.

  287. i’m right here i can hear everything

  288. Did you ever make it to Penn Dutch country, happy?

  289. See, I’m pretty sure that ‘feets belongs here more than me.

  290. i’m on the doorstep… i got distracted by the Harper’s Ferry National Historical Park… it’s very different … it has a shuttlebus system and this sorta contrived but very elaborate recreation of a town from … like the 1700s or whatever… I think they’re going for a Jamestown feel but the park is so empty this time of year it’s hard to know if they succeed

    but it has really fun hiking where you come across for real ruins of stuff from hundreds of years ago

    plus the deer here are very hoppy and fun and i’m almost certain you don’t have to worry about bears at all

    i saw more deer in shenandoah national park but they felt kinda tame like they were a lot used to people so they didn’t hop away like graceful white tailed bunnies

  291. nonono bh this is your place i am but an interloper like when blossom shows up on the big bang show

  292. Don’t go, bh! Who else is going to hate on the Lakers with me this season?

  293. ok good night all especially you mr. bh i really hope we can work through this recent awkwardness but if we can’t maybe we can peacefully coexist like canadians

  294. So what’s the mood of the people you run across?

    Happy, sad, worried, scared , ambivalent?

  295. Cheers, Mike.

  296. people are mostly just really sweet

    but i got a lot of ball caps and a goofy grin

    plus i shaved my head so i look very make-a-wish

  297. these are the same rape baby bigots that predicted utter disaster if we let gay people serve

    No one predicted instant disaster.

    Give the social engineers another 5 years with their new captive audience, and get back to us.

    And yes bh, happyfeet is an asshole. Rape baby bigots?

  298. Yeah long road trips are a good way to check the pulse of America.

  299. Cheers, Lee.

  300. i will miss it terribly when i have to go home

    but new job called they want me first part of january

    plus they want me to go to chicago next week or week after to meet with beer people

    i kinda looked at map and i think i can still try and do my thing and hop on this thing called I80 and scoot to chicago fairly quickly, but i may look at flying from like harrisburg (sp?)

  301. I was born in Harrisburg. I pitched a no hitter there in my youth and lost the game with a bases loaded walk. Must have been around 4th grade. Got distracted by Vicky Laucks. Oh well, glory days.

  302. apparently the capitol building is really something to see, cause of how old it is

  303. That and 3 mile island.

  304. that wouldve been fun… time constraints mean i have to make choices… what i want to do is hershey then catskills if i can then chicago then indiana then iowa then minnesota then i’m not sure

    i have to buy all new clothes cause i been leaving clothes behind as i go instead of doing laundry cause i need different clothes for new job anyway, so i’ll probably look for a tanger in a low sales tax state somewheres

  305. Queers are really expensive to maintain when they contract The Virus through their slutty behaviors. Their refusal to take responsibility for the fact that they are dirty whores and to adamantly demand that they be allowed to donate blood at the Red Cross (probably to finance their drug habits) contaminated the blood supply nationwide and lead to many senseless deaths of innocents who needed regular blood transfusions to keep them alive.

    fail.

  306. people spouting inane crap about rape I think

    Just as people spout inane crap denying AGW. Science is only what the left says it is and they get to pick and choose what data to rub, scrub and twist to fit their predetermined reality. This is their method, so too… Language is only what the left says it is and they get to pick and choose what definitions to rub, scrub, and twist to fit their predetermined reality.

  307. both agw and rape should both be well outside the purview of our federal government and our pitiful political class, and many other things besides

    they know nothing of restraint, these Rs and Ds

  308. I’m a watch the twilight movies someday maybe. And the Potter ones.

    If you must watch the Twilight movies, I heartily recommend picking up the RiffTrax’s of same. They help immeasurably.

    a sample

  309. A: Hey, you got your slipperyspooge all over my slewfoot!

    B: Hey, your slewfoot stepped in my Slipperyspooge!

  310. Twilight is only slightly less lame on the screen than it is in print. It makes for painfully bad reading.

    I’d rather sit through a marathon review of my wife’s past recordings of America’s Next Top Model than watch any of the Twilight movies, though. Come to think of it, there’s a certain similarity between the two that might be fun to explore, but I just can’t summon enough interest to do that.

    Bitchy, depressed attention whores, when cornered, fight savagely. Or something like that. Not sure if there’s a wolf equivalent, there.

  311. yeah you’re not selling it

    I can’t bring myself to watch that Revolution show either because you just know it’s brought to you by a sad little coterie of broadcast tv obamawhores what wouldn’t know revolution if it crawled out of chris christie’s ass with a fife and drum

  312. I have some fundamental disagreements with Jeff about whether the government should enforce antidiscrimination laws, but I have to say I don’t have a really good set of thoughts on the subject. It’s crystal clear that the federal government cannot discriminate based on race, and it’s also clear that state governments can’t. What’s less clear is whether (stripped back to the bare text of the Constitution+Amendments) federal law has any clear leverage at the level of personal interaction (of the type Jeff has already outlined, perhaps). Take that a step further, Jeff: what if the individual in question is not just a guy who’s letting a room out of his personal residence, but is instead the owner of a small hotel?

    That the Commerce Clause was hijacked to cover this particular kind of occurrence is perhaps an indication that the limitation of federal law ought to have been more clear, IMO. Maybe legalized duelling until all of that shit was sorted out could have accomplished some things.

    That aside, I am beginning to think that (based on the last few weeks of helping my kid with her American History up through 1877) Sherman was entirely too gentle. If the South had been more thoroughly beaten and penitent, there may have been some opportunity to avoid the Reconstruction waffling about the limits of federal power. But Lincoln not getting assassinated may have had some of the same effects. Andrew Johnson’s presidency was an utter disaster that we’re still picking up after. The things he turned a blind eye to, and that were later rectified, permitted a great deal of festering where none should have been tolerated.

  313. the south is still paying a heavy heavy price for the ungodly revenges the yankee hordes exacted

  314. i’m ignoring you cause you’re fragile and weird so you can blah blah all you want i’m not engaging you until you can learn not to be so emotional and fraught

    My, but that’s big fat pile of projection.

  315. oh look at the accusatory pot making spurious assertions to the brave and stalwart little kettle

  316. Revolution is ok in my book, although I think there’s rather more discipline in the badguy camp than would actually be the case. I think TV almost universally underplays how evil the Bad Guys can be. Even the Governor from The Walking Dead is only crazy on an intermittent basis.

    The Revolution bad guys are mostly sadists who have magically seen the light of day and acquired military discipline; every last one of them. I think that’s kind of unlikely. Billy Burke would have been at least partially mangled by the third or fourth capture. And he would have earned it, in retribution for playing Bella’s dad on Twilight.

    Ah, full circle.

    About the only TV series that goes over the top with evil is American Horror Story, which I kind of like a lot. It’s always hard to see where that one is going.

  317. accusatory pot = pablo

    brave and stalwart little kettle = me, happyfeet

  318. You worship at the altar of conspicuous moral vanity and top-down, one-size-fits-all big government dictates. You’re a fascist. It’s who you are. Just go with it.

    That fits a lot of ‘feets what are sliding uncontrollably down down down slippery slopes that’ll lose us a good Republic thinger I’m thinking

  319. I love ahs I’m saving it for when I can marathon it

  320. this republic is lost mr serr8d and I think deep down you know that

    the darkness falls again but we can tend to the ashes of our immolated little phoenix with hope what is inspired by the deep immutable grace what imbues this land and her peoples

    no I’m not gonna sing hey you know what looks kick ass is that les miz movie

    I’m a need a tissue

  321. Yes, and the reason it’s lost is there’s not much virtue left in this Republic’s citizenry. Virtue is difficult to learn outside a venue that teaches it, church or strong family, and those institutions are getting hammered. Instead of self-reliance and mutual respect, people learn selfishness and me-first and government will give us nice things if we empower it by voting for the empowering Party that proffers the most goods and services that aren’t earned, but someone will print money to pay for.

    Yes, we are in the final stage of this Republic. Be sure to be in a Red State when the SHTF if you can. Things that are important to do will be done very locally I’m guessing.

  322. Oh, and to the marriage thing: strong nations are made by intact families. Families are held together by the marriage bond, a centuries-old tradition that has meaning and structure, the most important facet being the production and raising of children. For gays to successfully ‘marry’, they’d need to be able to naturally procreate. So far, nishi hasn’t informed us that men can get preggers by the back door.

  323. I don’t want to go back to la at all but I will go back is what I will do and make some monies and save as much as I can and since this is a brand new position I’m taking I’m hopeful it might be something I can shape to where I could someday do it from outside failifornia

  324. the south is still paying a heavy heavy price for the ungodly revenges the yankee hordes exacted

    But maybe not heavy enough, considering that for years after the war, many people in the South still thought they could treat Blacks as property.

    That should have been a major object lesson. There was opportunity there, and it was lost.

  325. Didn’t you mean to call yourself staunch, ‘feets? That one’s hilarious too.

  326. It’s useless to argue with feets because there’s very little in his head aside from whores and cupcakes, and arguing with whores and cupcakes isn’t very productive.

    So, we talk television, and how happyfeets is perfectly fine with some folks owning other folks.

  327. He’s a bear of very little brain, is what I’m trying to say.

  328. the black people are paying the price the most of everybody

    it’s not fair at all

    Monroe Louisiana for example

    god bless America that place is bleak

    and it smells of rotting cabbages

  329. Heh. LA will be a death zone. Not much surviving there if/when there’s a major setback and civilization’s thin veneer crumbles. Perhaps the Mexican army can get there in time stop the worst of it…wait. They will be there for consolidation by color of skin, not for salvation by content of character… )

  330. “happyfeet says November 29, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    maybe rove was trying to challenge himself
    some races were heavier lifts than others you know”

    The tricksy whore leftydoodles make you think the RINO-dumbs are all futuristic and special but then they pull the rug out from under them. the RINO-dumbs fall for it every time but nobody else does. They suck and no one wants them. All they do is attack the few GOPee drinkers that can still hold on to their seats and it gets the RINO-dumbs nothing but a lot of campaign money they get ad buy commissions on as they lose.

  331. you reap what you sow

  332. You guys didn’t really managed to reap anything.

  333. That’s right: you do reap what you sow. Even if you didn’t mean to. Which is why Republicans lost the black vote for most of all time: because Republicans failed to stand up on principal and compromised with Southern Democrats on the issue of federal intervention in the South.

    It was one of the larger cockups in US history, in my opinion. And that’s saying a lot, because we are country that has stepped on its own figurative crank (which, if you were looking for a likely representation, would be Florida) a whole lot of times.

  334. So, in other words: because the Yankee horde didn’t lean on the South even harder than it did, we are a many, many times more fucked than we would otherwise be.

    Which, if you look at it, is just one more bit of evidence (if you needed to look for more) that happyfeets eternal blather machine should not be listened to. Because although he undoubtedly has good intentions, that’s pretty much all he has. And it’s not enough. It’s not nearly enough.

  335. well nothing for it now we could send a fruit basket i guess

  336. Cupcakes. You could send cupcakes.

  337. Yankee town got plenty fucked up by the 20’s. So did the mid west. The 30’s was crazy time. We thought WW2 and the fancy days that followed cured some of that but the late 90’s (the post historical period) onward showed that it was not so. Now, having wandered so far from the constitution, the cities rot, the people rot, and the maggots and vultures are crowned king in a land that was founded so there would be no kings.

  338. Men fearing to forge their won future, beg the Fates to take up their sheers and loom, to handle their threads once again. Weave me lest I weave myself poorly!

  339. Slart, most of our problems begin and end with welfare and social security. We let the pig in and it grew and grew and grew. Now we are trying to make more pigs just like it. I don’t know why. I guess we’ll die.

  340. Hey guys, did you notice slippy tried to regain control of the thread, and y’all and happyfeet just steamrolled right over him?

    A thing of beauty, it was. But wipe your feet before you come back in the house, okay?

  341. slippy is a fundamentally unserious pseudonymous entity. It does much talking and very little in the way of close listening. It argues, but isn’t interested enough in the other side to understand it, and instead argues with caricatured opponents of its own imagination.

    Or, shorter me: .

  342. Slart, most of our problems begin and end with welfare and social security.

    Most of our problems begin and end with the system underlying welfare and social security.

  343. What’s less clear is whether (stripped back to the bare text of the Constitution+Amendments) federal law has any clear leverage at the level of personal interaction

    Do you think it should?

    98% of black women voted for Obama. It seems highly likely some, if not most, did so in some part to racial discrimination. Is that immoral? Criminal? Unconstitutional? Should they be prosecuted under anti-discrimination law? How do you decide which voted for Obama because his daddy was black and which did so for other reasons?

    Personally, I don’t think it’s my business, what they did with THEIR vote…

  344. Slart, most of our problems begin and end with welfare and social security.

    Most of our problems begin and end with the system underlying welfare and social security.

    The day the EBT cards no longer work will be a dreadful one for this country. To answer Roddy’s question from another thread, that will be the date of our societal collapse. And it will have been completely preventible.

  345. *sniff… sniff…*

    Ahyep, definitely the stench of a staunch little kettle of fish.

  346. It’s crystal clear that the federal government cannot discriminate based on race, and it’s also clear that state governments can’t.

    And yet they do, with contracts, race-based affirmative action,etc.

    I’m a libertarian on these matters. For good or ill Augusta finally accepted two women. But it wasn’t government mandating that they should. In theory, If you run a racist small hotel (bracketing for the moment that such things are generally licensed and have to meet certain requirements), you will wind up in the end catering to racists, as others will rebuke you and take their business elsewhere. Which means you have to hope there are a sufficient number of racists to keep your racist hotel afloat. And you must also be prepared for it to be known as a racist hotel — and the social pressures and scorn,etc, that come from such things.

    The point being, we don’t need the government to step in and try a one-size-fits-all solution to supposed discrimination. Because then it winds up punishing what merely looks like discrimination as discrimination, when what it is is personal preference on private property.

  347. Mein Gott, guins. I thought I was the only Mott the Hoople fan.

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