November 18, 2012

Eco-tyranny: Obama’s 2nd Term

Brian Sussman, who sees the tidal wave of green set to submerge the private sector:

In President Obama’s post-election victory speech he spoke of creating a future that would not be “threatened by the destructive power of a warming planet.”

Obama expounded on that remark the following week in a press event stating, “I am a firm believer that climate change is real, that it is impacted by human behavior and carbon emissions.”

Get ready. The President is to exact vengeance on the American people for their use of carbon-based fuels which, according to him, are destroying the planet. The result of his actions will raise the price of energy, spoil job creation, and increase the flow of U.S. cash into the unsavory coffers of the OPEC nations.


On May 6, 2010, three weeks after the onset of the massive British Petroleum (BP) oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the Obama administration autocratically imposed a 30-day moratorium on new deepwater drilling operations in the Gulf and suspended drilling on rigs working in water deeper than 500 feet. This mandate immediately froze operations on 33 operational oil platforms, and another eight that were under construction. Prior to the expiration of the moratorium the stay was extended for an extra six months.

In conjunction with the BP spill the President also ordered the Atlantic Coast off limits to energy development through 2017. This was a stunning reversal of a promise Obama made to the people of Virginia just two months earlier when he announced the lease-sale of nearly 3 million acres off their coast, a move that would enable America to harness some 130 million barrels of oil, and over a trillion cubic feet of natural gas. According to Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell the offshore projects would, “speed our economic recovery” by creating 2,578 full-time jobs annually and $271 million in new state and local revenue.

Meanwhile, the Gulf freeze was challenged in Federal court twice, with the Administration losing both times. The first loss occurred on June 22, 2010 when U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans stated that Interior Department “acted arbitrarily and capriciously” when it incorrectly assumed that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger. Feldman went so far as to say the administration’s motives seemed to be “driven by political or social agendas on all sides.”

Unfazed, the Interior Department issued a second challenge, but that appeal was rebuffed in early July, 2010 by a three-judge panel assigned to the case in the 5th District Court of Appeals. The panel stated it was open to a further hearing on the merits of the appeal in September. However, the government wasn’t interested in waiting for that. Instead, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar painted the getaway car a different color and quickly sped away to pull the next anti-oil caper. On July 12, Salazar issued a “suspension” on all floating-type rigs, like the one used by BP, in any depth of the Gulf’s waters, through November 30. About 36 rigs were instantly impacted and shut down.

But the Obama administration punishment to Big Oil didn’t end there. Simultaneous to the initial Gulf abeyance, the administration also suspended applications for exploratory drilling in the Alaskan Arctic until an unspecified date in 2011—which, due to the short drilling season in Alaskan waters, really meant the summer of 2012. This was a shock to Shell because they had received permits from the Interior Department in 2009 to drill five wells in the region—three in the Chukchi Sea and two in the Beaufort Sea. Ironically, drilling operations never really progressed much this summer due to immense amounts of sea ice (so much for global warming) setting the project back further.

Meantime, back in the Gulf, in January 2012, with great fanfare, Obama announced he was opening up 38 million acres for drilling. The announcement was a sham. Most of the acreage in question was previously set aside by the Bush administration for exploration and development but the plan was halted pending environmental review.

As for coal, in his 2008 campaign for the presidency, then Senator Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that the “notion of no coal . . . is an illusion,” adding that he favored a cap-and-trade system. “So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,” Obama continued. “It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

The truth is the Obama administration is on a mission to destroy the American coal industry. In the last four years the U.S. has gone from producing 1.2 billion tons of coal to about 800 million tons.

The regulations that have hurt the industry most are the Maximum Achievable Control Technology (MACT) standards, which aim to eliminate air pollution. The MACT standards are so rigid that it’s not feasible for many coal plants to make the capital investments required to meet the new regulations. In recent decades the coal industry has invested over $100 billion in cleaning up it’s emissions to meet the standards put forward in the federal Clean Air Act, but because of MACT, that’s not enough. As a result under Obama’s watch 111 of the nation’s nearly 500 coal-fire plants have been shut down, with more on the way.

Our natural gas supply has been attacked, or perhaps we should say “fracked” by Team Obama too. Obama’s war on natural gas went into overdrive in April when the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) unveiled its first-ever regulations to curb air pollution from hydraulic fracturing, the drilling process commonly known as “fracking.” By 2015, natural-gas and oil drillers will be forced to invest in new equipment that curtails certain emissions from fracked wells.

Over the past 50 years, tens of thousands of oil and gas wells have been drilled using hydraulic fracturing or “fracking” (6,000 recently in the Bakken shale region of North Dakota alone). During this period only two significant cases have suggested contamination of sub-surface water; both were discovered by the EPA, and both involve questionable if not fraudulent data.

Natural-gas production has boomed in recent years, as the fracking process and other new techniques have improved. Combined with advancements in horizontal drilling technology, fracking has spurred explosive growth in natural-gas production from shale. The federal Energy Information Administration estimates that shale gas will grow from 23 percent of U.S. gas production in 2010 to 49 percent in 2035. Natural gas is clean burning, plentiful and cheap. But critics warn that the new environmental rules could severely curtail the natural-gas boom, a boom that has brought down prices to 10-year lows. In response to such criticism, the President announced an executive order earlier this month to form a fracking oversight group that directs a dozen federal agencies to collaborate in bolstering “safe and responsible unconventional domestic natural gas development.”

And the last time federal bureaucracy aided an industry that provides a vital resource to the people was…?

“EPA’s latest oil and gas regulations are a continuation of President Obama’s attack on hydraulic fracturing,” charged Sen. James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma), ranking minority leader in the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. “President Obama has crafted a very clever election strategy: he’s going around the country touting the virtues of natural gas, while at the same time, he’s completely undermining natural gas development by working aggressively to shut down hydraulic fracturing — and these new air rules are very much a part of that agenda.”

Obama has been at war with oil, coal, and natural gas for four years. He’s now a lame duck president who has made it clear he wants to save the planet. Prepare for the President to double down with his attack on fossil fuels. As a result the U.S. will continue to be OPEC’s favorite sucker, unemployment will continue to rise within the coal community, and the only significant fracking will be on private land—not the federally owned and managed land that belongs to We The People.

Obama has emboldened the building of the new Caliphate; he has weakened Israel; he has supported the growing communist threat in South and Central America — while leaving our borders intentionally unsecured, first to bring in a new dependent Democrat voting block,  and second to create the conditions for a new terrorist crisis that will allow the federal government to claim even more police state power.  He is set to cut our military, raise taxes to levels that are sure to destroy the job producers relied upon by the middle class, and create a permanent dependency class that will vote in its “economic interests” — namely, for others to subsidize their lives.

Keeping us energy dependent keeps the money flowing in the middle east — where Obama hopes to reverse the “colonialism” he believes is at the root of our previous alliances.  He is hoping to weaken the US, manage the decline, and move us into transnational progressive alliances by way of elevating the UN and subverting our Constitution and sovereignty.

Many of us see it — but sadly, many still don’t, including the GOP leadership and many of the Republican governors, who are already looking to cave on taxes without securing a single spending cut; just as they are looking to support the very “amnesty” programs that will only serve to maintain a growing Democrat voting bloc.

All of it is unsustainable.  But for the leftists, you need to tear down the constitutional republic if you ever hope to replace it with a managed liberal fascist state.

Will we go quietly, is the only question left worth asking.


Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:58am

Comments (164)

  1. By destroying the economy, they will make us be so wrapped up in our own money problems that we won’t have the time or energy to make any noise. Not that they would listen if we did.

  2. Will we go quietly?


  3. The Obama Administration has committed the US to reorganizing the world economy around Sustainability and using education, K-12 and higher ed, to cultivating the beliefs and attitudes to tolerate such a wholesale transformation. is the story I wrote in June on the Future Earth Alliance with UNESCO and others. FEA is slated to go operational in 2013. It is mostly being conducted in Sweden where it is more out of sight.

    The previous post on June 14, 2012 “The Belmont Challenge and the Death of the Individual via Education” explains the creation of the Belmont Forum in 2009 and the issuance of a roadmap in March 2011 to use Green Energy as the basis for promoting “equitable economic and social development” worldwide.

    What we are really looking at is a scam to justify government directed economies and the idea that government politicians and bureaucrats plan to work with Connected Big Businesses to run the economies as a supposed necessity.

    I learned about and documented these initiatives after tracking documents from the March 2012 “Planet under Pressure” conference in London. This is why the UN does not think they need more treaties. The UN Secretary-General says education globally can now be used as the primary means for accomplishing these troubling goals.

    And I recommend Brian’s book. I read it as part of tracking down this story.

  4. In President Obama’s post-election victory speech he spoke of creating a future that would not be “threatened by the destructive power of a warming planet.”

    We don’t have the strength to withstand “a destructive, warming, planet,” but we have the strength to affect, and furthermore, transform, a destructive, warming, planet.

  5. The worldwide far-Left has taken Al Gore’s post-2000 election loss payback tool ‘Global Warming’ and will use it to hammer all of us to their vision. Since most of those pulling the strings are misanthropes, expect a large number of human deaths in their calculations. Here in the US we are expected to eventually kill amongst ourselves, so as to expunge troubling concepts floated in that hoary old ‘Constitution’.

    Of course the thin layer of upper-crust controlling elitists will find escape hatches.

    We are being played like children.


    Jonah Goldberg publicly dons the mu-mu of defeated lamentation and prepares for assimilation as W.F. Buckle Jr.’s subterranean remains approach 65oo rpm.

  7. The Malthusian Left will not be denied. If they have to destroy the world’s largest economy to bring about the crisis they’ve been predicting (dreaming of) for two centuries, then that is what they’ll do.

    We are being played like children.

    They think we ARE children, serr8d.

    The individual is useless to them. We all must be pigeonholed into groups they can control.

  8. Some of you might enjoy this: it’s a 1hr vid of a talk Whittle gave a couple of days ago for a conservative group. Hits on some of the same points as his post-election thing, but in a tighter, more refined version. Also covers some new ground.

    Particularly appreciated his “(establishment) Republicans can’t win because they don’t believe in their stated principles, and the voters can tell” bit. As well as the “what Romney should have said in reponse to all those ‘hey, you’re filthy rich, you bastard!’ questions”.

    But your mileage may vary.

  9. That Palin article made as good of case I’ve seen for her to run for office again. Too bad it’s too fucking late.

    I’m just sitting back and shaking my head at all the republicans out there talking political strategy for 2014 and 2016. I wonder how many people haven’t “gotten it”. We didn’t just lose another election. This time, we lost the country.

    America, the grand experiment, the exceptional nation as defined by the ideas of our founding, is dead. “we the people” are now subjects ruled over by monarchs once again.

    The only strategy left is submission or armed revolution. Is where we are…

  10. I’m not big on submitting.

    Just sayin’.

  11. We are no longer a country. We are a tribal struggle and our overlords are corporate facilitators and political zealots trying iterations of the exact same failed experiment 150 years later.

  12. We’re Scotland?

  13. Secret diplomacy. What promises has president Obama made that we know about to the same degree that we know about Benghazi?

    The Ludwig von Mises Institute discusses how “secret diplomacy” led directly to the Great War. “Small powerful parties in France, Britain, and Russia all pushed for war and created secret treaties amongst each other. As Ralph Raico has pointed out, English foreign policy was dominated by a small, secret clique no more answerable to Parliament and the people than a dictatorship like Nazi Germany.”

    You mean like Hillary, Barack and Valerie Jarrett?


  14. I’ll probably be so busy working my ass off that I’ll be to tired to do more than bitch.
    We’ll all be like those workers at Foxcomm or whatever the name of that chinese sweatshop that makes the iPhones is.
    Drones. Worker bees.

    This will suck for someone, but the tipping point might be when government or union thugs start the beatings. Or maybe not. Prison culture is in, so snitches and bitches get theirs and you will be warned to back away from intervening. So maybe we’ll all just moo like cows and wander off to the barn

  15. Courtesy some Facebook friends, a translation of an editorial from the Czech newspaper Prager Zeitungon:

    The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.


  16. Ugh the Sunday shows.

    I’mma go ahead and update the classical phrase. I didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP became the party of such clueless babies desperate to be liked by New Yorkers that it left me.

  17. I will stay registered as GOP, but no longer identify as Republican.

    I’m a Classical Liberal, and I have no party to call my home.

  18. I came to that conclusion last week as well, cranky.

  19. Yeah, I guess that would really be the closest designation for me too these days. Even though I believe in social con ways, I don’t really believe in pushing them through government, so that’d leave me with the Classical Liberal distinction.

    Strange new world.

  20. Sane new world, William.

  21. There used to be something behind our vapid pop culture. Not any more. The pop culture is it. Everything else is counter culture and apparently it is not a glorious culture. We are just strange freaks and ugly weirdos now. Sadly organized criminals are best equipped to prosper through what is coming. Honest boring hard workers who want a middle class life for 40 hours a week with some over time are just grist for the idiot mill. The gove will send them a subsitence check and tell them that white people took their house (this will work just fine with white people BTW who can be convinced that they are not white white) and the doc will prescribe them cheap sedatives to keep them from freaking out. Half of them will have drunk themselves to death or sought other Hobbes-ian exits within 40 years. Meanwhile everyone will become poorer and less mobile. Eventually things(our manufacturing and resource base) might get bad enough that certain people will become surplus population to be either killed, let go into the wild to become bikers or biker victims, or kindly encouraged to emmigrate. Then the new vikings will come and cut through all the red tape and bullshit with machetes and helicopters and become our new lords. Eventually the new lords will need merchants and we’ll probably start the whole shit head loop over again only faster and more intense.

  22. We’re not going to go through all that Feudal crap and the Guilds again, are we?

    I’m opening a tavern.

  23. It might help to notice Hobbes’ own sleight of hand when he’s describing a war of all against all. He worked to think his way out of the problem he confronted, and ended up creating a modern natural rights scheme that we’ve only recently lost the thread to.

  24. “I’m opening a tavern.”

    You didn’t build that, the liability insurance is soon to be unaffordable to those without waivers, and the unions are very unhappy.

  25. I will give the union bosses free beer laced with opiates. They will get hooked and become my muscle in the neighborhood, kneecapping any city officials and making sure I have false licenses and code inspections that are pristine.

    Barring all that, I’ll open a speakeasy that caters to law enforcement.

  26. You’ll have to pay big bribes to keep those opiates quiet. Serfs don’t need undocumented prescriptions. And your muscle better not ever piss off bigger muscle or they’ll just hand you over rather face a cowboy dance number. Even then if you compete with the wrong business you’ll have a fire and the fire department will be late. You might need to run a pretty rough business to cater to law enforcement and they might decide to shake you down and farm you instead of guard you.

  27. It sucks but you might need to make /fix/run guns for the spin offs of the triads or go proto-viking and move around lot. The good thing about the automated high tech police state is that it is fragile and doesn’t whether hard times and collapsing towns well. Anything you do though will one way or another have a sword hanging over you (if you fight) or a boot on your neck (if you don’t).

    Sadly collaborators often live scarier lives than the serfs since they need to be checked for loyalty more often, their bosses often find better cronies and don’t need you as much anymore, or they fall out of favor as their patrons lose prestige. Party members get more chocolate than the people but the thought police watch them more closely and they aren’t allowed to just run away.

  28. I am thinking that tattoos and piercings won’t be enough in the brave new world, children are going to need some sort of new and more grotesque disfigurement to show how hip they are. Maybe small amputations of the ends of pinkies or pieces of ears and noses, something like that.

    Get in on the ground floor of that, that’s where the money will be.

  29. Global warming freakazoids are out in full plumage. Latest overwroughtness is “Megastorm” Sandy.

    The anti-science Left, spearheded by the made-for-each-other James Hansen and Al Gore, are busily trying to dismantle our economy before anyone discovers how full of crap they are.

    Shit. I am reluctantly thinking that Jeff is right; it’s not that we are over right this second as it is that we are following a nearly inexorable slide to over-ness.

    I hope that my Ruger 22/10 makes it in. I am considering a climb to higher caliber on the cheap by going with a single-shot .30-06 or similar. For simplicity, and because we don’t have a lot of money to work with. Any of you frequent shooters have any experience with single-shots? I am talking break-open guns, here. They have very few moving parts, so simplicity is the rule over rate of fire. But I would guess they would be potentially very accurate as well.
    Also, I think the wife is opting for a compact .22LR pistol, which I am going to buy for her in the next couple of days, that is convertible to .22WM by a change of cylinder. So, she can plink all day with .22LR and load up with magnums for a slightly more effective personal defense weapon. It weighs only 10.7 oz empty, but has a 4″ barrel. Seems ok for close defense. I am still thinking .357/.38 special combination, but those seem pretty dear.

    So I might stick with the Glock or Sig 9mm semi, which I can shoot fairly accurately.

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  31. “Any of you frequent shooters have any experience with single-shots?” Three words for you: Thompson Center Fire. You can buy different caliber chambered barrels which can be rapidly changed.

  32. . Any of you frequent shooters have any experience with single-shots? I am talking break-open guns, here.

    Check out the Ruger No. 1.

  33. I think there will be a lot of political power in offering aging kidz laser removal services on the public (penitant 2 %) dime. You gotta wait in three year lines though. ‘Cause of the wreckers, free riders, looters, and whites won’t get with the program.

  34. I have access to free health care here, including dental. How would you like the dentist drilling on your teeth with out novacaine? Common practice here.

  35. Would you be talking about the Dimension Gulermo, or something else?

  36. “Any of you frequent shooters have any experience with single-shots?”

    Break open works good for shotguns since they make good hunting guns. Get an over/under breakaway12 gauge maybe. Browing makes or sells the Citori shotgun brand that has good word of mouth. It looks like a big dove gun.

  37. I am thinking that tattoos and piercings won’t be enough in the brave new world, children are going to need some sort of new and more grotesque disfigurement to show how hip they are.

    If you’re trying to prove how hip you are, you are not hip. Jeez, kids — even us old guys know that.

  38. Break open works well for double rifles too.

    But you might have to sell your house to buy one.

  39. Ruger is pretty dear, for a single-shot.

    The ones I am looking at are under $300. H&R (owned by Marlin) makes a few models of rifle; the one I am looking at is the Handi-Rifle in .30-06, which sells online for about $266. The Ruger is $1300.

    Which it might be worth, but a single-shot gun, not having much in the way of moving parts, ought to be cheaper unless the barrel is just that good.

  40. Any of you frequent shooters have any experience with single-shots?

    Only one: Thompson Center’s Contender, a break open single-shot pistol with interchangeable bbls. One could have a .22 LR and also a 30-30 or 45-70 combination, or anything in between. Set a scope on a 16″ .30 wildcat bbl, fit a stock to it, have a short-barreled rifle. Pretty much limited only to how much your wrist can take.

  41. The list price is at least 20% higher than retail. Which still isn’t cheap, I’ll grant you.

    Anyways, that’s the single-shot I have experience with.

  42. Copy. Thanks, Ernst.

    Thompson/Center single-shots are over twice what the H&R guns cost. They may very well be worth it, but I may buy myself an H&R to start with so that a) I can get used to shooting .30-06, and b) because it’s cheap and I would keep it around in case I bought another, as a backup, and c) because my southpaw wife could shoot it in a pinch.

    c) is one of my leading reasons for choosing a single-shot purchase. Semis and bolt-actions all eject to one side or another.

  43. I like what I am reading on the Thompson/Center website, though. I might have to try one of those, eventually.

  44. Guy I know who’s a trophy hunter and shooting enthusiast, he mentioned to me couple of months back that if he were just starting out to build a working gun collection, he’d go with .308 Win. instead of .30-06 Spr. Similar terminal ballistics, less recoil in the .308. Maybe that’s worth putting some research into. Or maybe not.

  45. As another left-handed shooter, let me tell you something that I like about the Ruger mini-14.

    The thing flings brass so hard that you don’t see it flying in front of your nose.

  46. Gabe Malor just went full retard again. He wants us to 2008 again in 2016 but with a batter ground game. Being quoted in the pro palin LAa Times article really shook him up. We were inevitable, we just weren’t inevitable ENOUGH.

    Karl Rove: Gabe. Search your feelings. You don’t need the targeting computer. Use the force.

    Gabe: Yeah okay (politically) dead-guy voice. That sounds right.

  47. Whaddaya mean “again”?

  48. So, who thinks the next gun control ban will be for the top ten most popular models of rifle, shotgun, and pistol, and their key features, sold focusing on conceal-ability and ammo supply for the pistols,with a wink to the Supeme(ly submissive) Court to let it stand without a fight this time.

    And then they’ll use a VAT, a special ammo tax, expensive training registration classes, sticker safety inspections like for cars, and a tax break for not owning any guns AND EPA regulations about burning cordite and spewing metal shavings, and horrendously one sided liability insurance and gun tort laws, to effectively shut guns down as a legal thing for normal or semi-poor people, without actually shutting them down as a legal thing on paper.

  49. Heh.

    Oh. .308/7.62 may be the ticket. Especially if the two are interchangeable.

  50. Ernst Schreiber says November 19, 2012 at 8:51 am
    Whaddaya mean “again”?

    He’s a modulated rectified EKG-like semi-irregular analog sin wave that goes from FR to 1/2 R (when it’s time to try and get the socons on board unless they win too many primaries too early and don’t play ball) and back. And now he’s gone back to the FR state.

    FR FR FR FR 1/2R FR FR FR 1/2 R FR FR FR FR 1/2R

  51. I think regulatory restrictions are more likely than an out and out ban. But we’re back to the early ’90s, politics-wise. Every shooting incident is a chance to bang the ban drum again.

  52. Your tolerance for retards is higher than mine then. I don’t pay attention to him when he’s in half-retard mode, let alone full.

  53. Oh. Savage Axis bolt-action. That might be the ticket.

    Or H&R Survivor. That also looks good, for a break-open in .308W.

  54. “Slartibartfast says November 19, 2012 at 8:56 am
    Oh. .308/7.62 may be the ticket. Especially if the two are interchangeable.”

    Rumor is that they are not interchangeable in some rifles, and Garand clones come up as one of those rifles. Supposedly the casing is a little off spec between Winchester and Nato and it can cause problems in the receiver or something like that leading to jams.

  55. .308/7.62 may be the ticket. Especially if the two are interchangeable.

    I’ve never heard differently.

    Just to throw something else on your plate, maybe consider a pump-action rifle like the Remington 7600 as something both of you can shoot.

  56. Where does it eject?

  57. hmmm….

    The .308 Winchester and the 7.62mm NATO (nee T-65) cartridges are not the same, nor should they be considered interchangeable

    308 Winchester and 7.62×51 NATO Are The Same On The Outside and … are identical in every way, and completely interchangeable

    I say we make Jeff find out for us. He’s the guy with the big gun who knows a guy after all.

  58. Looks like it ejects right. But I guess you can pump it with the gun lowered.

  59. The reciever on the 7600 is like that on the 870 shotgun, both having right-hand ejection ports.

    I’m left eye dominant, so I learned to shoot on my father’s right handed guns, but I’ve always shot left handed. Semi-autos are the easiest to keep on target. Levers and Pumps never particularly bothered me, but I would drop the muzzle while cycling the action. It’s been so long since I’ve been shooting that I can’t tell you if that was to keep the spent shells out my line of site, or just lazy handling. Probably a bit of both. With a bolt action, more often than not I’d lift the muzzle close to vertical, bring back my right hand off of the forestock and cycle the bolt, and then return to a shooting position. I could also work the bolt with my left (trigger) hand by reaching over the top, unlocking the bolt with my thumb, then closing my hand over the bolt before opening and pulling it back. It was awkward and you ended the day with a sore thumb. I imagine it would hurt worse on a stiff, new bolt.

    Which is a long way of saying that a right-handed bolt is a pain in the ass for a left handed shooter, but you can pretty much make everything else work.

  60. Heh. You figured it all out in the time it took me to compose that treatise

  61. Also fwiw, the only brass that ever hit me in the face came out of a Ruger 10/22. Hot brass is a bit like getting spattered with hot bacon grease.

  62. Don’t you love how the people in charge really think they are “the people in charge?”

    Those morons think they can diddle with an incredibly complex economic system without any personal repercussions.

  63. That’s because their won’t be any personal repercussions to them.

    Algore can afford his expensive green energy lifestyle. Not his problem if you and I can’t.

  64. I say we make Jeff find out for us. He’s the guy with the big gun who knows a guy after all.

    My SCAR is chambered for 7.62×51 but shoots .308 and is compatible with it. You just need to be careful using hot loads handloaded .308. I have two side by side right now and 7.62 looks to me to be in the bullet only about a millimeter or two smaller.

  65. The chamber spec for the 7.62×51 is a little looser than that for the .308 at the front of the bullet. Consequently, the mil-spec ammo has a thicker case to allow for expansion.

    On the other hand, my brother has two M1As and told me he has shot .308 in them with no problems.

  66. Ernst, I suspect Al will be fine, short term. Long term, Al’s head will probably adorn a pike, if society collapses.

  67. The faster Iran can juice their uranium the soon the party can get started. Nothing says pick a side and have at it any more than Israel and Iran lobbing class A ordinance at each other. Personally I think we need to be reminded from time to time of the cost of remaining a free people. Like it or not the price has never changed. The question remains, will anyone be inclind to pay up? My bet is that as a country, alas though not a government, we are still willing to go to the mat for something larger than ourselves. We just haven’t had to do it for 70 years.

  68. What I have read so far is that some 7.62-chambered guns have longer chambers for reasons not specified. If you fire .308W in those, you could break the casing.

    But if you’re going the other way (or so I read), it’s completely compatible.

    But never, ever reload 7.62 run through a full-auto gun. Not that I’m about to do that, or even use brass that I didn’t go through in the first case.

  69. Or kinda what cranky-d said.

  70. interesting

    The rule of thumb (as I understand it) for .223/5.56 is is .223 is a go for 5.56 chambers, but 5.56 is a no go for .223 chambers. If I’m following that fulton armory FAQ, the reverse might be the case for .308/7.62, depending on the headspacing of the chamber.

  71. Sorry to once again threadjack this into guns. At least it’s not cupcakes, or that whoreslut Sarah Palin.

  72. I suspect Al will be fine, short term. Long term, Al’s head will probably adorn a pike, if society collapses.

    Only if he neglects to take care of his security detail.

  73. I bet whoreslut Sarah Palin could dump half a mag of .308/7.62 from a Fulton Armory Mk14 Mod1 SOCOM (me likey!) into a moose, field dress it, haul it back to camp and make us all tasty mincemeat pies in a dutch oven on the camp fire.

    Just to complete the circle.

  74. You blew the link, Ernst. Or was that just ice cream?

  75. Only if he neglects to take care of his security detail

    I suspect Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette took care of their security guards.

  76. Those are expensive toys, Ernst. Some of those are almost as much as I paid for my car, nearly a decade ago.

  77. Those are expensive toys, Ernst


  78. I suspect Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette took care of their security guards.

    Algore’s swiss guards are better armed and led. Nor will he be as easy to get to as Louis and Marie in the Tuileries.

  79. Ernst, all kidding aside, people like Gore already deny history and reality. To me, reality says it’s going to take several metric tons of supplies to keep the guards happy and loyal. Once the Gore gravy train is threatened or disrupted, the guards quietly disappear.

    I seriously doubt Gore inspires any sort of loyalty. Loyalty to Gore starts with a check and ends when the checks bounce.

    And, lucky us, we may very well get a chance to see which of us is correct.

  80. So, are .22 LR hollowpoints okay for small game? I am thinking of getting more .22 to feed the 10/22 that I don’t have any more.

  81. Those are expensive toys, but after glancing over today’s posts, I think that, at the rate things are going, one of those toys or something from Springfield Armory (Sig Sauer, FNH-USA , Heckler & Koch, Colt, Bushmaster, Panther Arms, Ruger, Remington, etc. etc.) makes a helluva lot more sense, investment-wise, than a retirement or a college fund.

  82. I should have made clear that I want the result that the meat is not ruined. I know the bullets will make the critters dead.

  83. When I think .22lr and small game, I think squirrels and rabbits (and cats and other small vermin, but that’s besides the point). My guess (bordering on asspull) is that standard .22lr is plenty good. Save the hollowpoints for vermin (like cats).

  84. Those are expensive toys, but after glancing over today’s posts, I think that, at the rate things are going, one of those toys or something from Springfield Armory (Sig Sauer, FNH-USA , Heckler & Koch, Colt, Bushmaster, Panther Arms, Ruger, Remington, etc. etc.) makes a helluva lot more sense, investment-wise, than a retirement or a college fund.

    I agree. My wife and I are taking a balanced approach, in case the collapse is much farther down the road than some people believe it to be. That is, having made the initial investment in the guns, ammo, and training, we’re slowly building up our “prepper” supply. After 911 I purchased one of those pre-supplied emergency bags, and over the last few years I’ve picked up a number of serious knives in various sizes, along with things like fire-starters, water filters and tablets, head lamps, high-output tactical flash lights, weatherproof matches, etc. Now we’re picking up a few cases of bottled water and some canned goods each time we go shopping, and we’ll be picking a few things up each month to add to our supply, from bigger ticket items like a generator or inverter or a shotgun or crossbow (and the ammo and sighting that go with them, including, I hope, some night vision), to less expensive items like a solar powered radio with a handcrank and the ability to recharge electronic devices, two-way radio sets, thermal emergency blankets, and an alcohol stove.

    If things go badly quickly, at least we’ll have some measure or preparedness. If it takes until after 2014, we’ll be okay and will have managed to stay legal within the system until it collapses and the dollar is worthless.

    That is, my wife has worked on keeping our credit rating high while I’ve worked on gathering material goods.

  85. .22LR is okay for squirrels and rabbits and some medium fowl. It depends on what you mean by “meat ruined” though. If you want restaurant quality cuts then yes it’ll ruin some of the meat and you should hit a butcher shop that does game. If you just want to stew/fricasee some meat, make chili with it, or make grinds or sausage then you should be fine. If you are going after very small game like quail or ground squirrels then you might want to think about dove shot in a 20 gauge or even a .410 instead.

    .22LR might not bring down small wild pig/peccary sized game or larger reliably though. Be warned. Of course gangster use them to kill human sized prey so maybe there is a trick to it.

  86. I’m expecting devolution rather than revolution, Decline and Fall instead End of the Old Order. It won’t be the mob that gets Algore and those like him. If anybody gets the Gores, it will be the ones in charge of those who are supposed to protect them.

  87. Maffiosi aren’t shooting people in trees from 75 ft either.

  88. What I meant by meat ruined is “Hey, where the heck is that rabbit I just shot? Oh, it’s everywhere.” I would not care about appearance, just edibility.

  89. $22,000 for Mr. .22. Don’t get caught flat-footed, Flatbush.

  90. “Ernst Schreiber says November 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
    Maffiosi aren’t shooting people in trees from 75 ft either.”

    I wasn’t thinking the icepick and rackets crowd.

    I was thinking gangster more in the Trevor ” Killa'” Smithers, Bobby Ray “No Dad” Cleese, and Curtis ” 187″ Stillwater who think they have a pot empire, that Marshall Mathers went soft after he turned 30, and that old lady in that Salvation Army Thrift store looked at them funny, and needs a lesson in life on the streets. Unless she has a hogleg hidden under the counter.

  91. You should look at .177 or .22 air rifles.

  92. I am, Ernst. I put one on my Amazon wish list so I wouldn’t forget the brand.

    However, guns that go boom will still be a valuable commodity, as will the bullets that make them go boom.

  93. “sdferr says November 19, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    $22,000 for Mr. .22. Don’t get caught flat-footed, Flatbush.”

    Wow. You can tell from that drawing that the killer is not a crawfish, a dandelion, a giraffe, or a parrot. Well done.

    A youngish clean shaven male with shades and short hair. That’s almost a description.

    It should help us eliminate about 65% of the population. The remaining Ramones are certainly off the hook as is Weird Al and Tiny Tim couldn’t have done it because he’s dead.

  94. ” Unless she has a hogleg hidden under the counter.”

    They they gon’ squash that beef ’cause this is a business, yo. Gotta think of those crisp B’s.

  95. guns that go boom will still be a valuable commodity, as will the bullets that make them go boom.

    True that.

    Cabela’s has a black friday special on Ruger’s 10/22 takedown.

    If you like to hang out with crowds of crazies.

  96. I don’t have a current handgun purchase permit, Ernst, so that is right out.

  97. You need a handgun permit to buy a rifle in Minnesota?

  98. You need the permit if the rifle can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

  99. The Cabella’s in Buda has a lot of nice folks that shop there.

    The only crazies are the fishing people and maybe the fancy hiking boot people. The knife, gun, boating, camping, archery, and clothing shoppers are usually nice as are the people who go for the jerky, the cactus candy, the pine nuts, the jars of seasoning, jelly and that sort of stuff.

    Those fishing guys really are kind of serious business though.

  100. “You need the permit if the rifle can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.”

    If you don’t have a rifle with more than 10 rounds then how are you going to shoot the holes in the swiss cheese?

  101. You need the [handgun] permit if the rifle can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

    fucking DFLers

    I’m half-tempted to play straw to your purchase.

    But I really can’t stand crowds.

  102. You need the permit if the rifle can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

    What the hell does “can accept” mean? Ruger makes a 10-round magazine; does not (AFAIK) make a larger one. But there are people who make external high-capacity rounds for the 10/22. Just about any gun having a magazine that you shove into it can have a larger-capacity magazine made for it. Not that you necessarily want that, if it makes for a jam every three rounds, but knock yourself out.

    If you’re being sensible about magazine limitations, you’re going to restrict to guns having internal magazines. But knowing what I know about firearms laws, they’re almost guaranteed to not be reasonable.

  103. I mean: the stock 10-round magazine (which is about the size of a couple of matchboxes) is fine, whereas this is unacceptable?

    Idiocy ;)

  104. Basically what it means is that you can’t by any gun that takes a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine holding more than ten rounds without a handgun purchase permit.

    And that’s a backdoor way to register gun owners.

  105. Yeah, that is where I was going: internal, non-detachable magazines. The 10/22 is both fully internal and detachable.

    At least it’s not one of those deadly banana-clip magazines. Killshot!

  106. No worries, Ernst. I had a 10/22 before I lost it in that tragic boating accident.

  107. People who buy things like this just want to shoot up malls and schools and parking lots.

    Because who among us doesn’t mind spending more time reloading than shooting when we’re at the range?

  108. I should renew my permit anyway. I might want to by some guns to replace the ones I sold or lost.

  109. It’s more about wanting to defy nanny than helping you acquire another possession cranky.

    —which you’d just lose anyways, since you’re sone careless, forgetul and accident-prone.

  110. It’s a vicious stupid piece of ignorance anyways. Obviously these moron have never heard of stripper clips.

  111. Is there a gun show private exchange law in Minnesota?

  112. I now feel very comfortable with my 45 ACPs at out to about 45 feet (for precision shots) and out to about 60-75 feet if I just want to hit a human target somewhere.

    I also feel very comfortable with my SCAR out to 100 yards to within a couple inches of my aimpoint from any kind of rest. And I can shoot the S&W M&P 22LR without a rest fairly accurately from any position.

    What I really have to work on is using the sling on the SCAR to aid in longer-range accuracy without a rest. The 22 is light enough that I don’t get the same shake. The SCAR is more difficult for me to balance.

    Of course, I don’t see why if I’m shooting at 100 yards I’d need to do it without some sort of support. For CQB, I’d have no problem with the SCAR at 1 or 1×5 times on the scope hitting a target with precision. On the 22LR, I’m putting an EOTech and a flip up / down 7x magnifier — though if I ever get a 5.56 SCAR I’d likely move that set-up over to it.

    At some point, I’d like to have a set-up with a longer range magnification, for hunting or sniping, but for now, I feel pretty good about being able to hit a target out to 500-600 yards, so that’s a good return-fire buffer zone for most situations a battle rifle can be used for, particularly when the strength of the set-up is CQB.

  113. I think truly private sales require no license, but at gun shows they do a background check.

    Not sure, really. I guess I should find out.

  114. Put a sling on the M&P 22 anyways.

    A sling is a rifle’s holster, as well as an aid to accurate shooting.

    If you can put a round in the kill zone (i.e. through the heart/lungs) at 5-600 yards with your current setup, you shouldn’t need a seperate scope for hunting.

  115. Okay, there is a “gun show loophole” in the law that allows individual gun sales without a background check.

  116. I don’t see why if I’m shooting at 100 yards I’d need to do it without some sort of support.

    Just because you can’t see it happening, doesn’t mean that it can’t happen. So it’s not like practicing offhand shooting is a complete waste of time.

  117. Have you considered what yu’re going to do if your bi-pod or optic get broken, for example?

  118. Jeff, yeah, I’m pretty much following the same supply path you are, with some minor variations.

  119. Didn’t I say I was going to practice sling shooting to 100 yards anyway? For just such contingencies?

    My bipod being broken doesn’t mean I can’t find something to prop up the rifle. (I have sandbags, for instance, but anything will do). And if the optic is broken, that means I can’t see past a certain point. I’m fine shooting with the iron sights but my eyes only work so well. The optic is great for ranging and for increasing the space I can cover.

    Oh. And I have a sling on the 22. I just have found I don’t much need it to stabilize the rifle shooting standing.

    As for putting a round through the kill zone at 5-600 yards, the problem is, I can’t see if I’ve done so, and I know I’d be far more accurate at that range in terms of precision with better magnification. Remember, the optic I have is a one-size solution for the effective range of a battle rifle. Doesn’t mean I couldn’t do with more magnification.

    Guys at my gun club brag about their 100 yard groupings using 14x scopes. I can nearly match them with a 6x scope. But that’s at 100-200 yards. Beyond that I just don’t have the same sight picture.

  120. “Okay, there is a “gun show loophole” in the law that allows individual gun sales without a background check.”

    That’s good.

    Now you won’t have to go to Mexico and pose as a violent lieutenant to a drug lord looking to pick up some dangerous assault style untracked heaters such as are carelessly sold to the racist Jesus freak lunatic ignorant peasants in the US and see if ATF won’t help you out with that. /s

  121. cranky-d —

    At any gun show in CO you have to go through a background check. Private person-to-person sales don’t require that, so if you meet a guy in the parking lot, all he’s required to do is ask if you’re a felon.

    Dealers at gun shows don’t tend to want to risk that, though.

  122. Dealers at gun shows don’t tend to want to risk that, though.

    It’s always dangerous to bring the attention of the state onto yourself, even if you haven’t done anything wrong.

  123. Just to be clear to everyone, I was ruminating on the gun laws in MN. That may have gotten lost somewhere.

  124. Jeff, I read you literally (“I don’t see”) and came up with some scenarios off the top of my head. Apologies if I came across as talking down to you.

    As to hunting at distance. You’ll know you’ve missed when the deer (elk, antelope, bighorn sheep) either doesn’t move or trots off a short ways and stops. If you’ve hit, it’ll either drop, or take off at full speed. What you won’t know is how well you’ve hit it until you walk over there and either see your quarry, or (hopefully) a really good blood trail.

    Anyways, that’s why you have a spotter, if at all possible. Also why most hunters (in my limited personal experience) won’t take shots over 300 yards.

    Longest shot I’ve known someone to take while hunting was about 315 yards (a guesstimate splitting the difference between over 300 and less than 325).

  125. Guys at my gun club brag about their 100 yard groupings using 14x scopes. I can nearly match them with a 6x scope. But that’s at 100-200 yards.

    Out of curiousity, do these guys ever take their rifles out of their Lead Sleds (and other assorted gun rests)?

  126. Many of them use lead sleds and other secure rifle rests. I’ve personally never used one. I don’t even use a rear sandbag. I just try to keep the cant and swivel of the bipod steady by keeping a good over/under grip on it and pulling the whole rig in tight to my shoulder.

  127. My guess is you’re a better practical shooter than most of them. Certainly the ones who never take their rifles out of a rest. If I had a 14 power scope, and shot from a bench with my rifle in a rest, I’d be embarrassed to brag about my groups at 100 yards. It’s too much like being proud that you hit the inside of the toilet bowl, without the excuse of being five years old.

  128. I might make an exception if I was shooting through blizzard conditions.

  129. I can nearly match them with a 6x scope. But that’s at 100-200 yards. Beyond that I just don’t have the same sight picture.

    Don’t plan on aiming at a post it note at 300 yards right now. Do that at 125 yards, then 150 yards, 200…so you get a feel for elevation and perspective. Then get yourself a full size silhouette, and move that gradually outward from 200 yards. I realize you have to have a good place to do that, but if you did, I bet you’d be surprised how often you can put a clip in the head at 300 yards with what you have.

  130. Oh, and someone with a better rig might get a tighter group, but the target wouldn’t be deader.

  131. someone with a better rig might get a tighter group, but the target wouldn’t be deader.

    Ain’t that the truth?

    We need to get Jeff to make some sociological observations about the guys that are really enthusiastic (I want to say “obsessed,” but I’m trying to be fair here) about sub-minute-of-angle capable rifles and tight groupings. I’ve a hypothesis I want to check.

  132. Guys, I posted this earlier, but since there’s a question about what .22 LR is good for:

    Then in the 1990s the Russians noted that Chechen snipers were effectively using .22 LR (long rifle, them little bullets kids use to hunt squirrels and rabbits with) weapons. Inside towns and cities, the .22 LR sniper was very effective, especially since the Chechens would improvise a very workable silencer by putting a plastic bottle on the end of the rifle’s barrel, with a hole in the bottom of the bottle for the bullet to exit. Using a cheap scope, Chechen snipers were very deadly at ranges of less than a hundred meters. Such ranges were pretty common in built up areas. And since you usually did not hear the shot (to the head or face, of course), you had a hard time finding the shooter.

  133. Yeah, but is your .22 sub-MOA at a hundred yards? That’s what’s really important!

  134. I can’t even spell MOA, and I would be happy to shoot anything recognizable as a group.

    But still have yet to fire my first rifle round, so all is not lost.

  135. One thing to think about with a semi-auto .22 is the ability to put a lot of lead on target in a short period of time. .22LR doesn’t really have anything in the way of muzzle jump and is easy to keep on target.

  136. I used to use arc-minutes and such, but nowadays I am fully entrenched in radians. An arc-minute is roughly 300 microradians (just a hair under, but approximation is the soul of rapid calculation), which at 100m subtends about 3mm.


  137. Let’s make that 3cm. Reasonable. Inch and a quarter-ish.

  138. I think the sub Minute-of-Angle fetish is a generational thing. I blame the young punks who came to shooting by way of playing video games.

  139. 1 inch group at 100 yards is what people mean by minute of angle. So if you have a 1.5 minute of angle national match grade M1a, say, you the rifle should be able to shoot capable of shooting, 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards, 3 inch groups at 200 yards, 4.5 inch groups at 300 yards, etc.

    That’s if I understand it correctly. Shooting for groups is nice, but it wasn’t my thing. Knocking cans off of fence posts and breaking clays was.

  140. What I read in mafia novels is .22’s have enough power to breach one side of the skull, but not the other…creating a brain blender.

    I think at 100 yards, you’re pushing the limit for even one side of the skull. It would have to have very little deflection at that range I’m thinking.

  141. Shooting for groups is nice, but it wasn’t my thing. Knocking cans off of fence posts and breaking clays was.

    Amen. Also, bagging a nice five point, and filling a Dutch Oven with Sage Grouse is fun too.

  142. Getting worked up over being able to cover a 3 or a 5 shot group with quarter? If you’d have shot that buck right the first time, you would’t have needed a second shot

    (I denounce myself for using a racial epithet to describe a male of the species Odocoileus)

  143. When I was a young man, my father in law would take out a cardboard box (say, standard Bud Long Neck case size)just before deer season, and if he could hit it at around 100 yards, good enough.

    Never got skunked, the sly bastard…

  144. I don’t remember where I saw this on the internet, but it really struck me as true:

    Shooters rarely Hunt
    Hunters rarely Shoot
    Collectors do neither

  145. wikipedia has a lot of info on various naked and jacketed .22 centerfire and rimfire rounds from the .22 short to the .22 hornet which is almost a baby Remington .223

  146. And here I thought .223 was a ‘roided up .22

  147. That’s .308 supremicist talk. Just heavy old 20 packers hating on light and frisky 30 packers. The usual.

  148. Just having some fun before I call it a day.

  149. I stole this from a comment on the powerline facebook comments thing:

    “Liberal = (poor math skills + little imagination + easily fooled) * poor situational awareness”


  150. Truth be told, I’m kind of sad I missed out on the Ruger Mini-14 chambered for the 6.8 mm rem spc.

    Or maybe I just need to get over my Cold War hang up about the 7.62×39.

  151. I’ve got a neighbor with a breakaway one shot scoped match pistol-thing that shoots 6.8mm Rem Spc. I don’t know who made it or how he got it but he showed it to me once when I asked if it was some kind sedation dart gun or something.

    I was always a little sad that I didn’t buy a Bushmaster M-17s back when I had the money and the free spirit to do stuff like that. Of course now I think about the Keltec 7.62 bullpup. I dunno. I guess I just like that whole quasi- L-85/SA-80/whatever they call it now look.

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  153. I mean: the stock 10-round magazine (which is about the size of a couple of matchboxes) is fine, whereas this is unacceptable?

    Actually, I would think not. That’s still 10 rd mags and they’re far less killy than larger mags. Everybody knows that.

    Idiocy ;)


  154. Pablo reminded me of something.

    Ruger makes a 10-round magazine; does not (AFAIK) make a larger one.

    Ruger does in fact offer a factory made 25 round magazine for the 10/22.

  155. Yeah the scary 100 rounder full of 5.56 jammed on Mr. Joker Theatre shooter in colorado, who was a failed med student, so he switched to the pump action 12 gauge…that holds like 5-7 rounds. Something not even semi-auto did most of the killing. Or at least that was how they were telling the story the last time I saw it.

  156. Be thankful he was a mall ninja as well as insane.

  157. Ok, as of yesterday I now own a shiny new Marlin in .22LR. Could not obtain a Ruger to save my life. Moving on to a pistol for the wife, then one for me.

    But the firing range had a nice scoped Rossi single-shot in .243 for just inside of $309, which intrigued me. Shoots very flat.

  158. $300, not $309