November 8, 2012

“Boehner: Obamacare ‘Law of the Land’”

There’s that fighting spirit!  Nobody — and I mean nobody — is more ferocious at preemptive surrender than is John Boehner.  Like a big orange tiger bounding out of a tree with a white flag in its razor sharp claws. Terrifying!

In an exclusive interview with ABC News today, House Speaker John Boehner said there would be no more attempts to repeal Obamacare. “Obamacare is the law of the land,” he said. “The election changed” the situation, said Boehner.

While some conservatives will no doubt see this as Boehner caving, it is also a testament to political realities: the Senate is Democrat, and so is the president. The chances of a repeal are zero. Nonetheless, Boehner’s remarks underscore the effect of this election in enshrining Obamacare into the American way of life.

Wait, this isn’t Boehner caving?  His constituency wants ObamaCare repealed. He should continue to push for repeal.

But hey, if you can’t win, why fight, right?  May as well make it easy on Obama and the Dems and hope to get some of that revenue stream for yourselves.  And besides:  it ain’t like the Democrats will always control the WH and the Senate.  One day, the GOP will get its turn to act as wealthy custodians of a The Bureaucratized States of America. And that makes their mouths water.  Because as I keep saying, there’s really not much difference between the establishment GOP and the Democrats.

In fact, if I can be honest here, I think the GOP establishment wanted precisely this all along.  Which is why measures were never taken to cut funding for implementation, and why anything other than symbolic votes never materialized.

You are now subjects.  And that works for the permanent ruling class, regardless of party.

(h/t newrouter)

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 5:05pm
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Comments (173)

  1. They’re going to run Jeb Bush. Cause they know he can “win” the “hispanic” vote.

    I still support a local Republican, but wow. I can’t support this nonsense anymore.

  2. Nothing Boner does from now on would make me interested in supporting him in the slightest. What a fucking pussy.

    Still, this might make him lose his leadership position to someone who would actually lead, so good on him for saying it now. Now that we know where he stands, perhaps we can be rid of him.

  3. I should have said, now that he has actually admitted where he stands, we can be rid of him. We already knew.

  4. Seriously. I’m glad that I’m already more or less adjusted to leaving the GOP, because otherwise I think the blood vessels in my eyes would pop.

    Struck lines from Boner’s speech:

    “I want to congratulate Obama, a good man, good patriot, and good friend, for his victory. I believe he truly knows how to regulate the country into the future. Now is the time to stop fighting and get to work, because we have to do something.”

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  6. And the hits keep on coming.

    I despise Pelosi and all of her stupidity, but, damn it, the woman never backed down. Sad state of affairs when a botoxed crazy woman has more balls than the so called GOP House Leader.

  7. The only problem with leaving the GOP, and it’s a tiny one, is that somehow I’ll be lumped in with independents who are to the left of the GOP and would even consider voting for a Democrat again.

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  9. i want santorum for speaker. he’s a fighter.

  10. I think Boehner hopes he’ll get a tummy rub for rolling over on his back like a good doggie.

  11. “The only problem with leaving the GOP [...]“

    I went through this officially a couple days ago. An awkward silence followed.

    Something about trying to pull Romney and Thompson over the line after telling people — over and over and over again — that they weren’t acceptable to our folks made it easy even though the vast majority of those I know in the state party are good people.

    Seriously, they’re good people. They go to work in the morning, pick up their kids from school, organize charity events, and just want the best for the country.

    Now I feel like drinking again.

  12. Already stated in another thread, but it bears repeating: The orange man must go.

  13. Slowly it dawns on a nation what it’s done to itself. This time it’s fundamentally different. This time there is no recourse.

    I remember the shock and horror of watching the vote that passed Obamacare but then came a number of real options to repeal the son of a bitch, including Romney’s campaign promises. There was hope.

    But now we find ourselves in a wholly new place and time and there’s no way to stop any of it. This guy is nuts and I’ve never felt even a tenth of this much angst and futility about the fucking State. We just don’t do chains.

    Thanks a lot. Reynolds and Ace and Whittle and Malor can stuff it. I will always vote my conscience, assuming I ever have the chance again.

  14. bh says November 8, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    Now I feel like drinking again.

    That’s the upside of being a political junky, there’s always plenty of reasons to drink heavily.

    Albert EinsteinInsanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

  15. JHoward, puts me in mind of the old joke about the comrade voting in an election in the USSR. The comrade started to open the ballot and the polling official admonished the comrade not to open the ballot because “it’s supposed to be a secret ballot.”

    The comrade replied that he only wanted to know who he was voting for.

  16. Oopsie, hit the wrong button somehow. Ignore the formatting and add “Here we go again!”

  17. Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week’s elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

    “We’re so far gone. We’re over the cliff,” the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop” program. “We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things.” The video.

    Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

    “The people in the Midwest voted against him: ‘Oh, we have to be taken care of!’ So that vote was sort of like what we are laughing at in Greece,” Mr. Paul said.

    “People do not want anything cut,” he said. “They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don’t believe that we’ve gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can’t have a budgetary solution if you don’t change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot.”

    Yeah. Crazy like a fucking fox. Unelectable. NOT A VIABLE CANDIDATE! Probably, but not because of TEH CRAZEE!

    Because of a nation’s denial.

  18. I have no one to blame. I came to me decision to vote for Romney all on my own.

    I don’t regret it either.

  19. I work for a large construction outfit.

    Until probably the spring.

    Between Obamacare, EPA regs, energy costs, and taxes,Changes Will Be Made.

  20. I did the same, cranky. Don’t regret it either.

  21. - JHo, unless the Dems have secretly perfected the “transformation pods” in some hidden lab in California or Or-ree-gone, and we’re witnessing a real-life version of the ‘Body Snatchers’, I’m going to go out on a limb here and at least mention a possibility. Chaulk it up to wishful thinking if you feel its a bridge to far.

    – Maybe the GOP lesdership has simply decided that the fastest route to ending the nightmare is to help them achieve unavoidable collapse as quickly as possible. ObamaCare is not sustainable without massive displacements of beneficiaries. Either Medicare goes down or theres not enough money to even begin to support it. More taxes? Any taxation at this point just causes yet more job loss, individual insolvancy, and company closings.

    – Same with the Bush tax cuts. Same with any further bailouts. Essentially the rowboat is sitting with water up to the gunnels, and ANY attemp to move thats a tiny bit unbalanced, and the boat goes down.

    – Maybe Boehner is handing the Dems their ticket to the Titanic.

    – Ok, I said maybe didn’t I.

  22. newt might be a fun speaker of the house. at least he’d attack the proggtards

  23. I’m sorry to hear that, TmjUtah.

  24. Such scenarios have a tinge of breaking windows to make work for glaziers about them though, don’t they BBH? Bad ju-ju from the jump.

  25. Boner will give Obama the tax increase on the rich, and the other rates will likely stay the same as they are now for a year or two. Then, when they are still broke after that time, because that’s how they like it, taxes will go up again.

  26. Somewhere Bob Michel rubs his hands with glee and mutters, “You have learned well, my faithful apprentice. Together we will bring the enemy to our knees!”

  27. I think Boehner hopes he’ll get a tummy rub for rolling over on his back like a good doggie.

    Is tummy rub what they’re calling a reach around these days?

  28. Boehner: Yaw of the Bland.

  29. Shit, that sucks, TmjUtah.

  30. What bh said, TmjUtah.

  31. - Yes TmjUtah. I thirdly the emotion.

    – What got me to thinking in such wildly unpopular notions is unless the average Democrate/Progressive has a gene that forces them to believe that up is down, Black is white, and Chachie loves Nancy Pelosi, I’m thinking that not a few of them are shocked they won and terrified because they know they can’t control the ‘Socialism Genie’™ they’ve let out of the bottle.

    – When you win the flag by resorting to appeal to the lowest of human instincts, its just a natter of time before the beast eats you, and I’m willing to consider they know that only too well and are secretly terrifed of the train wreck to come. Its very possible they were convined Romney would win, and exact some magic Mormon underwear elixir that would push the Genie back in the bottle, therby saving their bacon, and now instead they’re left owning the whole impossible mess.

    – Color me niave, or something, or maybe I should stop ‘not drinking’.

  32. My brother in California was in construction until the economy out there suddenly went to where the rest of the country has taken four years to follow.

    He and I both feel your pain, TmjUtah.

    And no, he hasn’t been able to keep another job since then. I guess when California elected Jerry Brown despite having seen how he governs before, I should have expected this year’s presidential election to go the way it did.

  33. 2014 election – “harry reid hasn’t passed a budget in 6 years…”

  34. hurry before baracky shuts it down

    marcellus shale jobs

  35. Such scenarios have a tinge of breaking windows…

    – If an angry mob has gathered outside the glass house and its enevitable, your best bet is to let the fools destroy their own home, and freeze for the winter, and plan on trying to be one who survives.

    – Think of it as the doomsday version of ‘not interupting the enemy’ theme.

  36. Ah, I mistakenly thought the scenario had Boehner and Co. gladly handing the window-breakers rocks.

  37. Yeah. Crazy like a fucking fox. Unelectable. NOT A VIABLE CANDIDATE! Probably, but not because of TEH CRAZEE!

    No, that’s the part where he’s dead on. Most of what he has to say is dead on. Get him talking about Islamists, however…

  38. I did the same, cranky. Don’t regret it either.

    I can’t possibly regret it. It didn’t matter.

    I’m seriously thinking about Texas.

  39. Get him talking about Islamists, however…

    makes cair/hamas/ moe bros. cringe

  40. I’m almost of a mind to let them have everything they want. They’ve got most of it. So if we give them the rest we’ll get to the endgame that much sooner, collapse and then we can start over. But that whistles past a hell of a lot of spilled blood.

  41. makes cair/hamas/ moe bros. cringe

    No. I’m sure they cheer Dr. Paul on in that realm.

  42. BBH

    It may be a fool’s hope, but your scenario makes sense.

    As you know, in CA it is now totally and I mean totally run by Dems from top to bottom WITH supermajorities in the state legislature.

    There is no way the Dems can foist the blame for the huge sh*tstorm about to hit this state. (oh, we may cling for a while on Obama-Fed infusions but the graft on such as the highspeedtraintoArmageddon will suck it up faster than it comes in)

    ObamaCare is going to implode … some states are resisting it, that are thousands of waivers and thousands of businesses making plans to move their employees to 30/hr weeks to avoid it.

    Not to mention the lawsuits over the 1st amendment violations when ObamaCare demands religious business owners to pay for abortifacients.

    I’ve listened to the nasty sore winner screechings about how conservatives should just die now and if any rethuglican opposes Obama in the House then All Bad Things will be their fault.

    Hey, elections have consequences. Let this mutherfucker burn down.

  43. JH

    I’m with Pablo. Dr. Paul is lucid only on the economics.

    After that, um …. and talk about cult of personality! Some of his followers are double um.

  44. I’m almost of a mind to let them have everything they want.

    – Which at this point, may be the only option left, if the aim is to end this nightmare as soon as possible, and with the least damage.

    – Don’t know if that’s what the GOP leadership has come to, but its possible.

  45. We don’t need no water, let the motherfucker burn.
    Burn, motherfucker, burn

  46. Pablo says November 8, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    I’m almost of a mind to let them have everything they want. They’ve got most of it. So if we give them the rest we’ll get to the endgame that much sooner, collapse and then we can start over. But that whistles past a hell of a lot of spilled blood.

    Word.

    EO? Go for it. Midnight backroom deals? Whatever.

    The system is unsustainable as it is being operated now. No one is accountable for anything anymore. I say we just stay out of it and they’ll eventually turn on their own.

  47. - You know, just because they use lies and deceit to win elections doesn’t mean for a minute they believe most of the campaign bullshit.

    – I saw today that some Dem leaders are recomending that Bumblefuck ask Romney to be his ‘Business Czar’.

  48. Obama doesn’t listen to most of his advisers/advisory panels/etc anyway, so he may as well put Romney in there.

  49. That’s crazy talk, BBH. Not surprising, considering the morons are who are saying it, but sheesh!

    “Hi! You’ve reached Mitt Romney. I can’t come to the phone right now.”

    Heh.

  50. But a stern talk with Tom Donilon is out of the question.

  51. “The official, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case”

    Okay, then. Kathleen Bigelow to the dock next?

  52. I can’t possibly regret it. It didn’t matter.

    I’m seriously thinking about Texas.

    Just for the record, I wouldn’t even be of a mind to bust the balls of someone who didn’t vote for Romney in a competitive state.

    We just witnessed a game of chicken where neither group turned the wheel. To be honest, I can understand the group who didn’t vote for Romney much more than I can understand those who were willing to make that sort of reckless gamble with a candidate in the first place.

    One of the greatest wave elections of our lifetimes (’10) was based on opposition to Obamacare and in the very next cycle we nominated the guy who couldn’t hammer that effectively. That’s something past stupid. That was effectively suicide.

  53. Btw, I really, really, really love that Bloodhound Gang song.

    Don’t mean that in any political sense. I mean that in a that’s-the-song-I-used-to-play-as-the-crescendo-of-house-parties sense.

  54. That’s why I wrote that I really do believe they wanted this all along.

  55. That’s something past stupid. That was effectively suicide.

    santorum was unavailable for comment

  56. How could I argue against such a thought at this point, Jeff?

    Don’t know that I can.

  57. - The bad news is that we’ll all suffer to one extent or another if things go the way almost every commen sense idea thinks they will.

    – The good news, at least for our kids, is maybe the coming meltdown will bury the entire Progressive cult scam for many many generations to come.

  58. So the GOP is shite and needs to die, quick too, because the exigencies will be piling up fast. Hope to hell the idea dawns on everyone at once.

  59. The bad news is that we’ll all suffer to one extent or another

    Yeah, but the good news is that the other side will suffer more. Sucks to be a grasshopper when the ants are armed.

  60. what is a popular ammo to stock pile?

  61. ‘- The good news, at least for our kids, is maybe the coming meltdown will bury the entire Progressive cult scam for many many generations to come.”

    Obamaphone! Keep Obama in president okay?! Romney sucks!

    I don’t see a lot of learning going on even from experience. People talk and think an emotional baby talk and make their predictions based on cartoonish mythology that they are good ones and fighting the bad ones so they’ll succeed.

  62. NR, 22 LR, 45 acp or 9mm, 7.62 Nato (.308 Winchester) and 5.56 Nato.

    38 Special is probably in the mix, too.

  63. The good news, at least for our kids, is maybe the coming meltdown will bury the entire Progressive cult scam for many many generations to come.

    I’ve been thinking about that BBH.

    On election eve I was talking with cranky and I never got back to it.

    Long story short I was proposing some degree of normalization or regression to the mean as a way to predict things (i.e. presidents don’t get reelected under certain scenarios) while cranky was suggesting that interesting times are upon us.

    What’s been crystallizing in my mind since then is that I was right all along! I kid but only sorta.

    What if we’re regressing to the normal state of affairs? What if this has all been a fluke on a longer time line? A good run to have been alive during.

    In the short term, like a century or two, Obama should have lost. In the longer term, like in all of history, strong men like Obama win. In the longer term, Rome falls. The mean we regress to might not be modern America. It might be the rest of the world for most of its history.

    Cheery thought, I know. But I’m considering it.

    There might not be an upside. I think this is why I’ve never really been a member of the let-it-all-burn contingent.

  64. Maybe the GOP leadership has simply decided that the fastest route to ending the nightmare is to help them achieve unavoidable collapse as quickly as possible.

    They’ll arrive in style on their flying pigs, no doubt.

    not a few of them are shocked they won and terrified because they know they can’t control the ‘Socialism Genie’™ they’ve let out of the bottle

    That would assume that they see some kind of downside in Total Government. If they did, they wouldn’t be proggs.

    I’m willing to consider they know that only too well and are secretly terrifed of the train wreck to come.

    Why would they be? They’re not ON the train. If they are even halfway aware that we’re over the fiscal cliff, they’ve undoubtedly got unwavering confidence in their incandescent ability to FIX IT with their Keynsian ways. Demand-side economics lets them be saviors by spending other people’s money, which is what they live for in the first place. It’s all good.

    Either that, or they WANT the fiscal collapse with all their wicked little hearts for Cloward-Piven reasons. Others honestly believe that they can keep printing money forever without consequences.

    If they didn’t believe one of those things, they wouldn’t be proggs or Dems.

  65. What if this has all been a fluke on a longer time line?

    hi sandy grrl link

  66. Actually, I didn’t necessarily mean we live in interesting times, just that I don’t know if we do, or do not. Ultimately you might have to look back from the future to know that.

    As far as your assertion above, you are entirely correct. The normal state of affairs with human governance is tyranny. What we have had in this country up until whatever date in the last century we can decided it ended was very unusual. Perhaps our tyranny won’t be quite so bad this time, and perhaps we can extract ourselves from it again some time in the future.

    So, if we extract ourselves from this mess and liberty is recovered, then we might be able to call these times interesting. Otherwise, this will simply be a repeat of history, and our decline will continue until everything falls apart.

  67. And by “falls apart” I don’t mean just things getting bad, but things getting so bad we lose our means of replicating and repairing our current level of technology.

  68. There is no way the Dems can foist the blame for the huge sh*tstorm about to hit this state.

    What’s going to stop them? After watching half the nation buy some of the most outrageous lies and absurdities ever, how can you believe that somehow the truth will out THIS time?

    A total financial collapse will NOT make people see the truth, except for a few. Instead, wild rumors and conspiracy theories will spread like a plague, and the MSM won’t even have to participate: these things happen on their own. Remember the rapes and murders and piles of dead bodies in the Superdome that never existed?

    People used to go to the Soviet gulags and write letters to Uncle Joe to report the atrocities, believing that if he only knew, he’d put a stop to it. Do NOT underestimate the willful blindness of those who are besotted by Barack Obama’s bigger-than-life persona.

    We always believe that we will be vindicated by events, but WE NEVER ARE.

    Hey, elections have consequences. Let this mutherfucker burn down.

    Just what do you think is going happen after that? There’s going to be real HUNGER and privation. Hyperinflation. The Weimar Republic writ large. Riots, looting, arson. Gangstas with free rein.

    CHAOS AND BLOOD IN THE STREETS.

    People will cry out for someone, ANYONE, to put a stop to it. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Taliban stepped up to restore order and were welcomed with open arms. The Muslim Brotherhood is doing the same in Libya and Egypt and are fixin to do it in Syria.

    Do you really think that the populace that re-elected Barack Obama will resist the temptation to embrace the first strong horse that comes along, regardless of the cost? Do you not realize that the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are already here, waiting for their chance, alongside who knows who else (Mexican drug lords, China, etc.)?

    Damn, I know everyone wants to find something hopeful to hang on to, but all this wishful thinking about 3-dimensional chess being played by the denizens of our fair capital is unforgivably delusional.

    The American people are not who we thought they were. Even our own side failed to turn up at the ballot box, even after the direness of the situation had been proclaimed from the housetops, even after watching Obama and the Dems and the MBM behave worse than anyone has ever seen.

    You just saw what happened on Tuesday. Process it. Change your assumptions about politics and the populace and endgames.

    Let it go, mourn its loss, and start mapping out the new terrain.

  69. what is a popular ammo to stock pile?

    The kind that fits in your gun. Der.

  70. another ammo ? can 9 mm be produced at home?

  71. If you mean, can you hand-load 9mm, sure.

  72. Is Boehner a French name?

  73. This is me clapping for what dicentra said…

  74. Handgun: .22LR (I like CCI Stingers and Remington Yellow Jacket), .357 MAG, .38 Special, .9mm, .40S&W, 10 MM, .44 MAG, .45 ACP. Full metal jacket, jacketed hollow point, Hydra-Shok, whatever. Rat shot and some other variants are interesting, but not quite as useful.

    Rifles: .22LR and .270 Win is all I have. I hear .223 REM, .556×45 NATO, .762 NATO, .308 Win, .30-06 Springfield, .30-30 Win are reasonably popular. Everything the size of .270 Win or larger can come with various weights, Nosler ballistic tips, boat tails, etc. It can get pretty damned exotic and there are a lot of other calibers and specialties, but really, how many people do you know with a long gun that fires a .300 Weatherby Magnum cartridge?

    Shotguns: .410, 20 gauge, 12 gauge shotgun shells, with the latter by far the most preferred, especially for SHTF days. Shot and loads vary considerably but just about anything will do in a pinch. 2 3/4″ shells are most common but 3″ 12 gauge 00 buckshot is pretty effective if you have a gun that will take 3″ shells, and by effective I mean it will go through several walls and still be lethal. Sabot slugs are interesting, but kind of specialized.

  75. The kind that fits in your gun. Der.

    true but would be the type you stock pile considering gun ownership in america?

  76. This country is huge. Smaller countries may come out of it.

    That’s why I say mark yourself somehow.

  77. So, if we extract ourselves from this mess and liberty is recovered, then we might be able to call these times interesting. Otherwise, this will simply be a repeat of history, and our decline will continue until everything falls apart.

    I’m glad you commented further because now I understand what you were saying the other day.

    Yes, we’ve been living through interesting (as in anomalous) times all along.

    I get what you were saying now. Think I was thinking in the colloquial Chinese curse of “interesting times” too much and that threw me.

  78. di I’m thinking that in order to gauge the situation you have to, as a minimum, seperate the hard left nutbags, the indoctrinated young turks, from the older, more adult Dems in the congress and in general.

    – For the older hands, its just a cynical playing of their base. I’m pretty sure they are aware their fearless leader is an ideolog crackpot, but they want the power.

    – Reids comments today belie the fact that they remember how they lost a lot when they didn’t take advantage in Jug ears 1st two years. They need the House if they have even the slightist hope of staying ahead of that frieght train. So far, beyond throwing red meat to the base, and voting in a health plan even they know won’t work, they havn’t actually been particularly in step with his nibs. Looking ahead with the possibility og losing the Senate, they’re going to pivot, its their only hope.

  79. I’ve preached to my children that a roof over your head and food on the table is necessity and all else is luxury.

  80. I’ve got about 5000 rounds of 22 LR, about 1000 rounds of 45 ACP, and about 1800 rounds of 7.62×51. Magazine wise I have 6 and 4 for my 45s, 8 for my 22LR, and 10 for my SCAR.

    The places I normally order from are backlogged or sold out. Luckily, I had a few backups.

    I need more. I also want a compact pistol, a shotgun, and something in 5.56. I don’t think I’ll have the time to get them all though before the assault on the 2nd Amendment begins.

    I feel fucked.

    I’d also like to pick up a two-way radio, a nightvision scope or monocular, a small stove, and start stockpiling rice, beans, and bottled water.

  81. bbh, the Senate may try pivot, but Obama is a committed ideologue and as such, he won’t care what the Senate says or does.

    Obama has moved to make Congress irrelevant and because Congress let Obama get away with it, what makes you think Congress will suddenly be able to reign in Obama?

  82. add .223 rem to the list. Similar to but not the same as 5.56 mm NATO (more powder/higher pressures in the 5.56 stuff) —or so I’ve read.

    I don’ know ‘bou’ dese dings.

    He said in John Qualen’s norwegian portugese accent.

  83. Apologies in advance, BBH, I realize came across as attacking you, and it is not meant that way.

  84. Don’t forget water, food, fuel, and a destination. Because one doesn’t want to get caught in a heavily populated area when and if things break.

    Speaking of taking a break, Hyuna. Sigh.

  85. Jeff, what is the water situation like where you live? I went canned goods, because I couldn’t see using drinking water to cook food. Fresh water is a bit on the scarce side in our area.

  86. but really, how many people do you know with a long gun that fires a .300 Weatherby Magnum cartridge?

    Is .357 Holland & Holland magnum close enough?

    If so, I know a guy who has two.

  87. - Jeff, a good small multi-band radio is a must item. The Coast2coast observer II is my choice. Inexpensive, solar, hand-crank and battery powered, built in flashlite, and can charge a cell phone.

    – I think its less than 50 bucks. You can check it out at the C2C website.

  88. Well, I live kinda out in the boonies, but @ $4 a case at Safeway, I figure I can afford to put away a two-to-three week supply.

    I have some canned stuff, but not really stockpiled. We just tend to have a lot of it around.

    Guess I should fill all the gas cans, too. No chance of me affording a generator at this point, but maybe I can borrow one from somebody who’s been eaten by the zombie hordes.

  89. Jeff, I’d say your good overall. Maybe add a .22LR pistol to the family before the 5.56.

    Anyone mention the 7.62 commie as a popular round yet?

  90. - No apologies neccessary Blake. I said they’d pivot, didn’t say it would make a bit of differenec. With the uduicy of their pres the die is cast.

  91. Jeff, check out inverters. They can be run off a car battery and put out enough juice to run a refrigerator, microwave, etc. Not too terribly expensive, either.

  92. You have a link, BBH?

  93. Jeff, I’d recommend getting a .22 target pistol for inexpensive practice and family training and a .lightweight .38 revolver for your ankle holster, to supplement your .45.

    Shotgun, depends on if you are talking self defense or hunting for food. For self defense, look at the Remington 870 Express Tactical, or just the Remington 870 Express to keep it relatively cheaper. Those are 18.5″ and 18″ barrels respectively. Mossberg also has some nice pumps, and for self defense I prefer a pump to a semi-auto. For hunting you probably want a longer barrel, say 28″. I’ve been very happy with my Remington 1100’s, though there are lots of good options. There are a few combos you can buy that swap a tactical barrel for a longer barrel that can be more effectively used for hunting.

    As for rifles, if you can’t knock it down with your SCAR, what’s the point? But the most common recommendation from dealers I’ve run into is a Ruger 10/22.

  94. Yeah….hold on.

  95. bbh, okay, cool.

    Anyway, later all.

  96. true but would be the type you stock pile considering gun ownership in america?

    Like as a commodity? 12 gauge shotgun shells and 9mm pistol rounds are probably sure winners. Rifles have so many different calibers I’d say your best bet is a variety of the popular hunting rifles out there; .270, .300 Winchester Mag, 30-06, like that.

    People with guns like Jeff usually have stock like Jeff. If you’re thinking post apocalypse trade goods, your market will be guys with a deer rifle and a box of shells in the closet that will be wanting more.

    Also, you can never have enough .22 shells…

  97. Guess I should fill all the gas cans, too. No chance of me affording a generator at this point, but maybe I can borrow one from somebody who’s been eaten by the zombie hordes.

    get an inverter

    MORE ON INVERTERS:

  98. I suspect it’s something like this, bbh?

  99. Send me a link, Blake?

  100. - Heres a link that will get you to the C Crane radio web site.

  101. Yep. similar. Only thing I’d say is the CC unit has been around awhile and has a rep of reliability, but the NOAA unit may also be a good choice. Probably come down to cost difference if there is any.

  102. Jeff, you are better armed than about 90% of the population, but maybe only 20% of your commenters if I had to hazard a guess.

  103. I personally don’t have that much ammo. I plan to strip the dead.

  104. I’ve been buying arrows and strings the last few years. Not kidding.

    If I’m worried about The Shit going down, I think I’m also worried about making noise when I’m hunting. That might seem out of left field but, hell, what can I tell you.

    Figure I know the woods around here better than most and if no one knows I’m sitting in a tree they don’t have any reason to give me any thought.

  105. Bh, there is another Chinese saying that says “There are ways when the Rich get too Rich.”

    This is meant as there is only so much the people are willing to put up with before they rebel. It was said before the Boxer Rebellion when the starving Chinese peasantry stormed the homes of the wealthy. Of course times were rather feudal in that period of Chinese history and the Chinese have a long and bloody history.

    But, then so do we. It’s going to be bad.

    And Jeff, a generator is about $800. Get one so you don’t have to start burning the furniture to stay warm.

  106. [I also have the standard assortment of boomsticks but I really don't know why I'd make noise and draw attention if I didn't have to.]

    [Yes, I do occasionally go over the top with brackets.]

  107. I’m liking the idea of an inverter and maybe an alcohol stove.

    Leigh, if I had $800 I’d have a generator.

  108. Your generator is only good so long as you have gas to run it, or better yet propane.

  109. They need the House if they have even the slightest hope of staying ahead of that frieght train.

    What makes you think they’re going to even pretend to play by the rules this time?

    Whatever they want they’ll take, either by decree or by “deeming” something passed.

    Again I ask: WHO IS GOING TO STOP THEM?

    They’ve seen what they can get away with, and so they’ll hit the accelerator.

    Midterm elections? Surely you jest.

    Do you not understand that WASHINGTON IS LOST? Do you not understand that at the level of the federal government, the Constitution and the Republic have vanished?

    Our only hope is to preserve the Constitution and the rule of law in whichever pockets of land we can defend and to declare anything that comes out of Washington to be null and void. They’ve already invalidated their side of the contract; there’s no reason to go on holding up ours.

    I mourned the loss of the Republic several years ago, so I can let go of the old way of thinking (“Maybe if we win this or that…”).

    I guess it may take some of you a bit longer.

  110. It’s good to learn to make coke. And sharpen hand-saws, cause gasoline isn’t always handy.

  111. I briefly considered picking up another case of Mosin food; then I stopped and thought about asking around if anyone was interested in a group buy.

    Then I owned up that I was indulging in shopping therapy.

    If I need anything in the way of supplies, I need some bullet swaging dies for a few calibers, and maybe a case prep station since the days of cheap import .223/5.56mm ammo are dead and gone so I’ll finally have to start reloading for the Bushmaster.

    If I can’t handle what’s coming with what I have on hand, then it can’t be handled with ammo.

    Shit, the Red Army handled Kursk with slightly less than I have on hand…

    Don’t know for sure if my particular number will be up come spring. I do know that we’ve been competitive as heck in a better-than-the-national market but what with our uppityness, desire to exploit our mineral resources, and general failure to become a socialist vassal state I think we are going to get Special Treatment Hammering by The State.

    I’m a lot angrier than I sound. Trust me on this.

  112. Do you have Trade-io? People call in with stuff to sell or asking to buy. Most hinterlands have them. I bought a load of firewood (4-5 ricks) for $50 one year. People often generators and hunting/camping/fishing gear for sale.

    It’s worth a listen.

  113. It’s good to learn to make coke.

    you and carnegie and frick ” ruined” this place and slavery to boot

  114. - I don’t know about a gas driven generator. You’re going to run thru fuel pretty quickly. My first choice would be a small solar powered unit. Store energy during the day, use it at night when its critical. Prices should be competitive, and they can deive an invertor for AC power if neccessary, and you can use auto bulbs as illumination off the DC, and recharge any batteries you have.

  115. TmjUtah:

    Nice thing about Utah is that we’ve got fuel to exploit, plus other stuff.

    Now if we could only convince the tree-huggers to go to Taos, we could make the whole state into Galt’s Gulch.

  116. bh, I’ve been seriously thinking of getting a bow. What’s a good one?

  117. Nice thing about Utah is that we’ve got fuel to exploit, plus other stuff.

    how much fed. gov’t. owned?

  118. I traded one of these so I could afford something more utilitarian.

    I’ve managed to put together about 400 of these, including 40 of these for anybody who comes to play in the middle of the night.

    I opted not to go with this because I’ve never been able to hit shit with a short gun.

    I hope that’s clear.

  119. Don’t forget that generators make noise, and as do open fires and lots of rounds, will attract what you want to avoid; the scavengers and assassins.

    bh, a crossbow is my next pick up. I’ve enough loud things; not enough stealth except a few blades. And I don’t want to get close enough to use a blade, really.

  120. I’ve been partial to my Mathews for awhile now but they’re all so much better than the recurves of my youth, Lee. Hoyt, Bowtech, PSE, too, they’re all pretty damn good nowadays.

    Look around the $400 price point. You can spend more but you won’t get all that much for it.

  121. newrouter, aye, there is the rub.

    We have tremendous oil shale, natural gas, and coal reserves. Then there is the copper, gold and silver mines…

    The attack on Utah started in 2008 (arbitrary vacating of already let leases by order of the Secretary of the Interior) and it is going to get much, much worse pretty quick.

    Nah. We here in Utah are Special. And we are going to be treated as such.

    Sure am glad that we sent Orrin Hatch back for his umpteenth term. Maybe he’ll get his flag burning amendment on the floor this time.

    Then again, somebody who remembers the Civil War might have some insights. Or not. He’s part of The Problem. Nice guy or no.

  122. how much fed. gov’t. owned?

    Most of it.

    Them and what army, is what I’m sayin.

  123. The attack on Utah started in 2008 (arbitrary vacating of already let leases by order of the Secretary of the Interior) and it is going to get much, much worse pretty quick.

    Only if we accept the premise that their edicts are authoritative. I realize that we can’t YET tell them to get stuffed, but it can still happen when push comes to shove.

    Orrin Hatch is a blamed fool who had a man-crush on Ted Kennedy and has otherwise been utterly seduced by Washington.

    He, like all the others, is a Reaver.

  124. In case that was phrased goofily, those aren’t recurves I’m recommending. Just what I used as a kid.

  125. Compound bow and a jillion arrows here. Also lots and lots of Buck knives.

  126. Anybody have an opinion on air guns?

  127. Heh, as a matter of fact I have a pellet gun in my garage, Ernst. Stupid rabbits.

  128. I’d like to have a gas generator on hand for a 2-week emergency. But I wouldn’t mind a solar one, as well. And an inverter. And a shortwave radio. And two-way radios.

    A crossbow seems a good idea, too.

  129. I’ve never owned a crossbow. It’s pretty easy to notch another arrow with a normal compound though.

    I’d recommend it.

  130. Or, you know, nock another arrow. Stupid words.

  131. Gas generators are worthless if you can’t get gas. I just learned this last week.

  132. Yeh, a gas gen, but strickly as a backup, and the fuel stored, ventalated but water tight if possible.

    – You can use a solar unit along with several car batteries for storage. electric sleeping bags, and keep the house at minimum, dressing warmly. As much battery operated equipmwnt as possible, feild stove etc.. AC conversion costs you efficiency and pushes up the wattage you’d need in a solar power/car battery setup. again, good ventalation for the batteries.

    – And don’t forget medical basics. Aspirin, an ample store of Neo-sporin and various bandages and guaze. The new types of contact bandafe with the heal jell are excelent. lots of easy tear tape. Some store of anticptic, and burn meds. Eye wash.

    – Remember, even a simple cut if infected can be the ball game. Lots of pinesol to keep down mold.

  133. It occurs to me that I never thought to ask about your family in Jersey, Abe.

    Everyone (and property and so on) good or did they take a hit?

  134. I’m leaning towards the Excalibur crossbow. It’s not compound, though. And, of course, your refire speed is going to be slow. On the other hand, shooting a regular bow well takes more practice.

  135. Our part of Jersey was pretty much unscathed, aside from the power outages and a few downed trees. I didn’t even know that other places got it bad until the power came back a week later.

  136. One problem for me with a regular bow is I shoot left-handed (though I shoot a gun right-handed… I’m weird). I guess it’s not a huge issue.

  137. Glad to hear it, Abe.

  138. I tend to ramble. Don’t mind me.

  139. Definitely makes it harder to grab a friend’s bow and see if it feels right, cranky, that’s for sure. That’s how I test out most the stuff I end up buying.

  140. I shoot the other way around cranky

  141. Here’s a small collection of before/after aerials of shore towns. I’ve been looking for aerials of Brigantine and if anyone has happened to have seen any, please throw up a link if you would.

  142. Those are the same before/after shots I’ve seen, sdferr. That’s kind of the closest the Jersey Shore gets being able to replicate the effect of hurricanes on trailer parks. I can’t even think of where Brigantine is, though I remember going to a place called Brigantine Castle as a kid.

  143. It’s the island just north of Atlantic City Abe. On the whole, I don’t think it got hit near as bad as the islands north of itself like Long Beach Is and further up the coast. But I’m guessing, based on very little input.

  144. Ah, ok. Looks like a ripe target, especially with the bay directly behind it. Haven’t seen any pictures though. Will let you know if I do.

  145. JH

    I’m with Pablo. Dr. Paul is lucid only on the economics.

    After that, um …. and talk about cult of personality! Some of his followers are double um.

    That’s an assertion, Darleen, and as such it’s wholly unconvincing. Allow me one of my own, this time correct: You’re wrong. But if you insist, believe in your undefined third way — something between the GOP in full fail mode and the only popular small government classical liberal that ever stood a chance. I’ll wait. I mean you no disrespect but really look at your options.

    With that in mind, allow me to define them as I see them.

    dicentra gets is. There is NO remaining strategy:

    What makes you think they’re going to even pretend to play by the rules this time?

    Whatever they want they’ll take, either by decree or by “deeming” something passed.

    Again I ask: WHO IS GOING TO STOP THEM?

    They’ve seen what they can get away with, and so they’ll hit the accelerator.

    Midterm elections? Surely you jest.

    Do you not understand that WASHINGTON IS LOST? Do you not understand that at the level of the federal government, the Constitution and the Republic have vanished?

    You need to realize that the war has itself been lost. This wasn’t just an advanced phase battle, this was the whole thing. The sheer momentum of a hundred years of progressivism combined with the final act of progressivism that is Obamacare means it’s over. You have no strategy left to you. There is no going back and Boehner just told you that. Hell, Obama said he’d fundamentally transform the place and he did.

    Then he told you to vote out of revenge — while his co-president Jarrett told you repercussions would be severe, which they will be — and they meant it. How many times do I have to point to federal education, federal health, federal money, federal finance, federal housing, and soon federal identity and permissions throughout it all before we get it?

    Do we really think even one of these trainwrecks would ever work? Like the feckless Repair Medicare bullshit out of the Romney camp? Added together and including unfunded State-level pensions, they’re some quarter quadrillion dollars upside down. Does that have to be repeated a two hundredth time before we grasp the magnitude of the problem?

    This is the functionally Imperial Presidency and all-doing central State and there is nothing Congress can do about it but prevent it including their rubber stamp when it happens.

    Also, there’s nothing wrong with going survival mode and preparing yourself. But as I’ve also said, if a collapse were to occur it would undoubtedly occur under a Romney Administration as it tried and failed to unwind all this, assuming it would, which not one of us really believed.* There shall be no unwinding under Obama II and thus there shall be no collapse. What there shall be are endless Stimulus and endless progressive patchwork and the whole bloody mess will stand, by God, or they will find just one more way to keep it standing!

    Proof? What’s the latest thing on national radar. It’s some urgent “fiscal cliff” rebalancing act that you all already know will absolutely mean driving down the shit out of everything so as to fund, at least in part, the whole mess. They’re simply not going to let this thing fail by their measure or lights. They are going to make you live in this post-American, post-Enlightenment, and post-civilization age or you absolutely will die by their trying.

    If Jeff posts up some of the things happening right now, you will grasp the nature of the problem:

    -Internet freedom. This needs explaining?

    -They already fused Homeland Security into the private sector. You are property, people.

    -An immediate rush to enact the first phase of the UN’s global gun management policy. You know what comes next and they’ve got four long years to get er done.

    -Bernanke is semi-permanent, and together with the Treasury, runs the entire enchilada where it lives, which is in the numbers. You need to grasp that Paul and crew were absolutely on to the single most important problem under our sun.

    I could go on but since Roberts showed you the extent of structuralism, and since with the govt already virtually owning that roster of stuff from education to hospice, what remains is removing resistance and globalizing everything.

    Tell me you don’t see this already started up.

    No, we have no more battles. Because we have no more means.

    *I got aboard the Romney movement out of one sentiment, which was that I wanted to believe it harbored and would be beholden to the TEA/Liberty/independents faction, which like Jeff I still believe is sizable and formidable and could, must, and perhaps shall form the third way that simply does not exist today. The problem is that its formidability lies in its tacit resistance and its remaining spirit and intellectualism. Whether it ever arises — and moreover by what possible means — remains to be seen.

    Returning to the assertion that Paul was the untenable candidate, you’re incorrect, Darleen. He was the only last hope if we weren’t going to go right down the path Reagan described decades ago. We didn’t listen and now we’re on our way. We were as timid politically as we are functionally.

    Ironically, having said otherwise, we ourselves made the perfect the enemy of the good.

  146. I have a generator and a 1000 gallon tank for propane.

    If only I could afford to fill it.

  147. The new Republican establishment motto is ” Not in the face!”

  148. I’m sure there are lots of leftists in hell Car in. Might as well stick it out and focus on what cannot be taken away.

  149. Someone talk me off the ledge

    If you’re going out on the ledge, at least jump over something better than FEMA “black helicopters.”

    Hope that helped.

  150. Not saying you’re wrong, JHoward, but you do have more of a religious than political fervor with your point of view. It’s a lot less “Find ways to move forward, and forget the feckless GOP, and there endless beta male maze” and a lot more “Repent! Then End is Near. For yay, the quadrillion is coming.”

  151. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your tacitly allowing the opinion to stand, William, notwithstanding the completely unhelpful tone in which I state it. I’ll get to work on that.

    How’s this: Ernst, my good man, concerning the fine article at your link, I do say the good gentleman has made a most earnest and useful point.

    (Even though by his dealing almost entirely symptomatically, it has little to do with the problem.)

    Oh see, there I go again. So sorry, all!

  152. The GOP is done. Like K-Mart, they’ll still be around, irrelevant, but somehow still part of the conversation. An example of how to lose a once-unassailable position at the top of the heap, only desperate marketing gimmicks and the hiring of a succession of has-been turnaround artists will keep it afloat.

    K-Mart lost the concept war early, its stores were small, dark and shabby. They were mostly anchors in older strip malls while Wal-Mart was building mega-stores with tons of parking in the far reaches of the exurbs where the newly house-poor, dual-income yuppies needed to buy cheap curtains and cheaper food in the hour between work and driving the kids to practice. K-Mart became the place where your grandmother bought you generic-looking sweaters when your aunts let her go shopping on her own.

    The GOP went the same way. Looks great on paper, but once you get in, the merchandise is dusty, the floors are dirty, the customer service sucks and the executives don’t care because they still have the idea that there’s no place else for voters to go. You want that yuppie market? Hire Martha Stewart, it’ll downgrade her brand and not uplift yours and she’ll bail in five years, but you’ll get that quick bump from curiosity seekers. You want that Hispanic vote? Push for “comprehensive immigration reform”. Why not?

  153. Thanks Ernst.

    That helped a lot.

  154. Mark Steyn said it: We’re a tax happy country now, why the heck would you want to be under the lights of the IRS when you don’t have to be?

    But the Republicans will offer a path to citizenship and all the goodies of… the Democrat welfare state? Yeah, good luck with that as your principle.

  155. If that’s the case (and there’s no reason to believe it’s not) then somebody better start organizing something other than protests and rallies.

    It’s either that or start planning committees of correspondence.

  156. The link is busted, Ernst.

  157. I try to do my part Carin.

  158. Washington is lost to us. If we wish to restore the Republic, it will have to be done at the level of our sovereign States. I’m not hopeful that Minnesota can be saved, but I have the consolation of some sane cheese-eaters on the other side of the river, when things here go completely pear-shaped.

    I still think things will come to a head when California goes under, and the responsible states are “asked” to bail out the land of fruits, nuts and flakes. It’ll be Germany and Greece all over again.

  159. I’d be willing to support a bailout of California (and New York, and Illinois) if the bailout came with the loss of statehood and reversion to territorial status.

  160. I’d be willing to support a buyout over a bailout. Snatch up the bankrupt organization, fire the management team, and install some turnaround specialists to reinvigorate the brand.

    “So on your next vacation, come visit California(tm)!”

    California(tm) is a registered trademark of the Texas State Investment Board(r). We invest in states!(tm)

  161. Weird. The ™ and (r) symbols looked just fine in the preview…

  162. Maybe the newly appointed territorial governor can hire the Texas State Investment Board to oversee the states finances why the territorial legislature busies itself designing a new flag?

  163. Could work. A lot of us already do speak Spanish.

  164. I should have continued with Spanish in junior high and high school. I might need it.

  165. I grew up in San Diego. The weather there is fantastic. I’ve visited other parts of California, and it’s a great place. At one time, it had a booming economy and industry second to none.

    It took serious effort on the part of a lot of progressive idiots to turn it into the disaster area it has become.

  166. It took serious effort on the part of a lot of progressive idiots to turn it into the disaster area it has become.

    They call that “practice.”

  167. “I’m seriously thinking about Texas.”

    Move to Austin. We need another 30,000 or so conservatives who actually vote instead of move out to the burbs and towns.

  168. Anybody have an opinion on air guns?

    Any Weihrauch break barrel, .22 or .177. Last forever, deadly accurate, pretty quiet when suppressed.

  169. I cannot tell from their site which ones are “break barrel” and which are not.

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