November 4, 2012

Robert Redford very pleased with President Obama

Who, he notes, has done an historic job combating the country’s biggest threat: carbon pollution.

Yes, carbon pollution. Which weighs far more heavily on the minds of those Americans who actually matter than, say, a lack of jobs, or the enormous debt, or the impending implosion of the welfare state. And on that issue, the seminal issue of carbon’s relentless attack on our ecosystem, Barack Obama has been a fierce warrior, and should be re-elected because of it.

And Redford does have a point: when people aren’t working, they tend not to breathe as fast, and so they belch out far less of that noxious human exhalation. Also, when gas prices and electrical prices are high, people are able to move around less and are less productive — another boon for those who wish to see the country ridden of industrialization and returned to the pristine state of nature where cougars and bears rule.

Now all we need do is implement a one-child policy, and we’ll be this much closer to Redford’s idea of paradise: him and those of his class living in huge eco-friendly mansions in Utah ski country, only without an annoying overabundance of proles with enough resources to show up and spoil the scenery or lower the property values.

Power to the people!

(h/t Terry H)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:46am
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  1. joan baez sayeth..send in the clowns…but..not under my treehouse..I’m waiting for railings..regulations..paperwork etc

  2. I’ll bet Redford is even more pleased with himself for being the enlightened person he is. He’s just better than the rest of us.

  3. Pretty boys like Robert Redford should be seen and not heard.

  4. nobody except for retards says “carbon pollution” and that’s cause bless their heart they retarded

  5. Carbon is pollution? What is Redford, silicon-based?

  6. “What is Redford, silicon-based?”

    Nope, I think he’s more or less still Wyoming based these days, that is, when he’s not gallivanting around somewhere’s else by means of a private jet.

  7. Pretty boys like Robert Redford should be seen and not heard.

    He has not aged well at all. So maybe he’s feeling kinship with O! in the bitterness department.

  8. Redford has never been the sharpest tool in the shed. And as Darleen says, he hasn’t aged well.

    Maybe he’ll decide to take up flying and we’ll be rid of him.

  9. When Redford stages his Sundance festival using only solar lighting to screen the films, and requiring everyone (himself included) to walk to the venue, then he’ll have my attention.

    And they have to walk barefoot, since shoe soles contain petroleum by-products.

  10. I don’t know, McGehee. With those kinds of restrictions, they’ll have to show better movies.

  11. Icing on the cake.

  12. raindrops keep falling on my head

  13. So agreed. Reford pretty much misses the mark.
    What I’d like to know: what is the conservative plan to work on environmental problems?

    Folks who like to fish and hunt – usually (R)- can’t be that pleased to see public lands sold for energy extraction. Air and water quality seem to be bipartisan concerns but I get nothing from the Republican party that even suggests that there is a plan or ideology to address environmental damage.

    Someone please enlighten me.

  14. So I did some talking to the Sun
    And I said i didn’t like the way he got shit done
    Sleeping on the jibby job

  15. I just saw an ad with Colin Powell endorsing Obama. Yay team!

  16. Isn’t one moronic ideology aimed at addressing assumed but unproven “environmental” damage ideology enough for you? I mean really, would matters improve with further political degradation?

  17. You don’t want to be enlightened.

  18. Gaia is the ultimate milf. Didn’t you get the memo, Dalekhunter?

  19. public lands

    You mean these?

    This isn’t sufficient?

    All the people in the world could live comfortably in the state of Texas, Dalekhunter. Maybe you could point out how you see environmental impact playing out if a hundredth of one percent of them increased oil production by a few percent.

    You’re not thinking all of this is going to be razed of life, are you?

  20. Carbon pollution is people!

  21. No, and thanks for the reasonable response.
    I just keep thinking there is a conservationalist ethos in the American right that has sort of been muddled. Thrift, conscientious use, value of the land, that seems to have been forfeited for blind consumerism. The idea that more is always better, a sort of material liberalism.

  22. paper or plastic bags pick up dog poop
    if u put ur gun in them bfore ‘cappin’ they hold the spent shells

  23. You need to read more.

    What can the profit be to not be a careful steward of the land on which we live? If you know anyone who works in energy production and development you would know that they are the most careful individuals of all.

  24. LeftLibProggs are, in their ‘purest’ form (Redford, Baldwin, Cher &c.) all misanthropes. They’d be happier with fewer humans; thus abortions and, when they can get back to it, eugenics (of which abortion is a subset).

  25. Men these days aren’t what they used to be. Seem to be all made of straw.

  26. can’t be that pleased to see public lands sold for energy extraction

    i wished they were sold but they’re only leased

  27. We grant ourselves the right to think and speak in cliche and call that liberty SW. Works, don’t it? Nothing like the current advance of liberty in Obama’s cudgling the Constitution into submission to his will to say “purity of bodily essences” on the march.

  28. Thrift, conscientious use, value of the land, that seems to have been forfeited for blind consumerism. The idea that more is always better, a sort of material liberalism.

    Lordy. That sounds very ’80s, as in it sounds like the standard prevailing knock on conservatism from back then.

    Everything old is new exhumed and re-animated again.

  29. Aye, sdferr, that on display isn’t worth a bucket of bodily essence.

  30. Thrift, conscientious use, value of the land, that seems to have been forfeited for blind consumerism.

    Blueprint for Disaster: The Unraveling of Chicago Public Housing

  31. Redford – oh to be that clueless

    and this:

    living in huge eco-friendly mansions in Utah ski country, only without an annoying overabundance of proles with enough resources to show up and spoil the scenery or lower the property values

    pretty much sums up all Leftards outside of the working class

  32. - I could be wrong McGehee, but I think the word you’re looking for is “recycled”.

    “Enlightenment”:

    – Now this is the story of a man named Jed

    – Poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed

    – Then one day while a huntin’ for some food

    – Up from the ground came a’bubblin crude….

    – Texas tea….Black gold…..Oil that is.

  33. What is Redford, silicon-based?

    No, that is his girlfriend.

  34. A heartbeat away from the presidency.

  35. “A heartbeat away from the presidency.”

    Which is after all is taken into account closer by a measure than Obama will ever come, no matter how hard he works at it.

  36. The Redskin Rule rules the day. Beaten by the Panthers.

    Romney it is!

  37. - He seldom knows where he is, let alone anyone else.

    – He said yesterday after this is over hes going to take a long vacation. I think hes right.

  38. Wesley Clark is on teevee covering for Bronco on Benghazi.

    Jeez. Two more days.

  39. - Maybe yesterday we finally discovered just why Jug ears has been such a total flop. The administration was never able to find a good ‘prop’ manager.

  40. I just keep thinking there is a conservationalist ethos in the American right that has sort of been muddled.

    Apparently, but that would be you projecting. Given that it’s baseless (and condescending to boot) I reject it.

    Question: What gave you the right to assume your fellows were that way? I mean, if not just the common presumptive narrative.

  41. What Burge, as this case were “David” does, can only be described as “what we don’t do.”

    Let us all proclaim D. Burge the only ever next William Frank Buckley Junior.

  42. As a shell of a man, I wonder why, why, one of the best songs not ever heard, which is indeed literal truism in our age of Fiskar, gets nothing in terms of influential impaction locally.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxdMqiKI08g

  43. Not ever heard? I think you’ll find Julie Driscoll made a few quid with it.

  44. You want to protect hunting rights and conserve land resources? Do what they do in the smart parts of Africa: hunting concessions. Don’t do what they do in dumb parts of Africa: nature preserves.

  45. Gaia is the ultimate milf.

    Somebody needs to put that on a T-Shirt!

  46. DaleK

    If conscience has been compromised, you might like to check the almost complete takeover of academia & media by the Left. A Left that sneers at Western civilization & Judeao-Christian morality. A morality, I’ll add, that gave us Scouting, conservation, Humane society, Red Cross, et al, under the God-given obligation that we are all stewards of the earth.

    Excuse me if I’m flippin tired of pointing out the misanthropic nature of “enviromentalist” regulations only to receive emo-assertions that I must LOVE LOVE LOVE dirty rivers and poisoned air.

  47. When they allow hunting such that farmers and ranchers can get paid to let someone kill a predator or two, they farmers and ranchers tend to preserve the predators. When the predators are protected, the farmers and ranchers tend to slaughter them wholesale if they can, because those predators are a downside to their bottom line.

  48. Stolen shamelessly from Iowahawk, Ernst.

  49. I was talking about Africa.

  50. Dalekhunter, if you’re still lurking, google/bing “tragedy of the commons” and edumacate yourself, m’kay?

    he joshed.

  51. R&B Room to move just for the fun

  52. Hell, it doesn’t even need to be a predator, cranky. An elephant or two traipsing through the fields can mean starvation.

  53. No lurking. I asked a question. I got some good answers.
    Happy times.

  54. I was just late to the conversation and wasn’t sure if you were still around or not. No offense intended.

  55. - I could be wrong McGehee, but I think the word you’re looking for is “recycled”.

    No, I’m pretty sure “exhumed and re-animated” is what I was looking for. Old re-animated zombie tropes from a generation ago wander among us, searching for hosts without brains.

  56. big crowd for mittens’ pa rally right tonite

  57. Mitt’s pop was a lather, learning the trade from his own dad. Who knew?

  58. It’s obvious from those large crowds for Romney that Obama is going to win handily.

    Science!

  59. Science!

    Forsooth! I see the diviners moving in my direction. (Which by the way, was most recently that Barry has a tough time holding the 201 he’s already credited with.)

  60. romney is practically oozing bipartisanship out of his ass christie is gonna have to double down

  61. ” christie is gonna have to double down”

    So long as that doesn’t mean Christie has to touch his toes with his fingers, he won’t mind.

  62. sdferr, Minnesota is in play. Minnesota! They haven’t voted for a Republican since the 1970s.

    True, we don’t have many electoral votes, but as an indicator this should be making the proggs cry in their beer.

  63. Minn. would add 10 more to Charlie’s figure, bringing it up to 351. Yipes. Imma have another beer.

  64. christie is gonna have to double down

    he does that with cheeseburgers

  65. Minnesota
    Gump Worsley
    Fuck u Gerry Cheevers
    Masks? Masks? we dont need no steeking masks

  66. Morgan Freeman has like 16 times more gravitas than this Colin Powell bozo

  67. Vote Obama down, end the nhl lockout. Simple. Put the small businessmen / subcontractors back to work spearing their fellow skaters.

  68. From your keyboard to the hockey gods ears, sdferr.

  69. Morgan Freeman has like 16 times more gravitas than this Colin Powell bozo

    Except when he doesn’t. Like when he called me (and about forty million others) a racist because of the TEA Party.

    There’s been scores of respected people lost their self respect because of Obama.

    Even fucking Ann Coulter…

  70. he has absolute moral authoritah just axe miss daisy

  71. I’ll respect Eric Cartman’s authoritah before I’ll respect that old reverse Klansman.

  72. Bobby Orr is rolling in his grave..wait…what?

  73. “Bobby Orr is rolling in his grave . . .”

    Edvard Grieg gives a hearty Norwegian shout out to Minnesota, while Ludvig Holberg remains quietly sleeping in his.

  74. “Bobby Orr is rolling in his grave . . .”

    …and he caroms off the far board!

  75. Like Led Zeppelin, there is a long line to see Bobby Orr
    Spin in his grave
    He didnt swallow his own vomit
    so he got that going for him

  76. Dalekhunter, where would you like to put the wind and solar farms? The gas and oil extraction footprint is much smaller and much more environmentally friendly. It also produces more energy at a lower cost.

  77. - When he said he would keep the tides from rising, Jug ears must have missed one.

  78. If we’re finished ripping Robert Redford’s elitist head off his shoulders and stuffing it out of sight, how’s about a nice game of… nuclear postponement ?

    After midnight on November 9, al-Jazeera reports that Israeli airplanes have attacked
    Iran’s nuclear facilities in three waves of attack. As reports multiply, Israel officially
    announces it has attacked Iran’s nuclear sites because it had no other choice. According
    to the scenario, Israel did not coordinate the attack with the United States in advance, and only informed the US once the planes were already en route to the Iranian targets. Initial assessments estimate that the Iranian nuclear program has been set back by nearly three years.

    Following the successful attack, Iran decides to react with maximal force, launching
    missiles from within its borders and urging its proxies – Hizbollah, Hamas, and other
    radical elements – to attack Israel. Nonetheless, it is careful to avoid attacking American targets. Israel attempts to contain the attacks and works to attain a state of calm as rapidly as possible. The international community is paralyzed, largely because Russia tries to exploit the situation for its own strategic objectives. At the end of the first 48 hours, Iran continues to attack Israel, as do their proxies, albeit to a lesser extent. At this point in the simulation, the crisis does not seem to be close to a resolution.

    (I’m thinking there’s far too much optimism in this wargame’s conclusions. There will never be any neat ends if Israel attacks first, and the other players mentioned won’t really be tucked in with visions of sugarplums dancing in their heads.)

  79. In that scenario, I would expect Obama to vote “not present.”

  80. - Obama who?

  81. Wowzer. It’s like Mittstock.

  82. Paaarttttaaayyy like its 1982 !

  83. Obama voters are composed mainly of people who, among other things, are convinced that Sandra is a definite symptom of global warming, despite the National Hurricane Center having nixed that idea a few years back.

    Because their experts are giving them the answers they like, while actual hurricane experts are full of crap.

    Also: unprecedented, which means a really awful thing that was caused by global warming that might have been preceded by even more awful things that weren’t!

  84. More like shitstock (all due respect to Leigh and other solid sorts)

    Romney’s behind in Ohio and looks like he’s going to need a 9th inning 3 run homer. Happens–I’m a Yankee fan–but a lousy bet.

    My NC will represent though.

    Drudge really had everyone going there for a few and Michael Barone finally, Walking Dead like, became a Fox Zombie with his call Friday on a Romney near landslide.

    Sad.

  85. Paaarttttaaayyy like its 1982 !

    Republicans lose 26 seats in the House and gain one seat in the Senate?

    That doesn’t sound like much of a party.

  86. More like shitstock (all due respect to Leigh and other solid sorts)

    Romney’s behind in Ohio[.]

    [....]

    Drudge really had everyone going there for a few and Michael Barone finally, Walking Dead like, became a Fox Zombie with his call Friday on a Romney near landslide.

    Sad.

    We’ll know soon enough.

    Personally, I’m looking forward to watching you eat those pixels.

  87. Since the Fox Zombies haven’t been feasting on his braiiiins, I wonder what George Will‘s excuse is going to be. Hanging out with the Beltway establishment got him wee wee’d up, perhaps?

  88. - Comgress wise party likes its 2010, but for both houses, although I think keeping the House solidly, with some real but modest gains in the Senate followed by a 2010 redux in 2014 would work just fine.

  89. Romney’s behind in Ohio

    chug the kool aide roddy. bubble be boppin’ soon

  90. Did the Democrats hold their convention in North Carolina, or were they only dreaming they were holding their convention in North Carolina after spending tons of money there — since fat lot of good it did them, eh? But the Democrats are the smart guys, they always know what’s up: like Bob Beckel was saying eight months ago, how North Carolina and Virginia plus Florida would guarantee Obama reelection! Oops.

  91. He’s got a good idea does Obama: call for a Debt Commission, then ignore it! And another good idea: send one budget after another to Congress without getting a single vote from his own party. And another: so estrange the people fo the country that when he goes into various states while campaigning, members of his party who find themselves in tough races don’t want to be seen within miles of him! Brilliant politician, we have to say.

  92. How can it even be close? That it’s close suggests just how close to being over we really are.

    Now, it appears Christie was to be Romney’s VP choice, but Romney changed his mind at the last minute. Explains the Christie / Obama love fest, I guess.

    We need to gut the GOP.

  93. While we’re at it, we should also take notice that Obama puts a very high priority on keeping his Ambassadorial representatives safe and secure. None higher, he said, right after that one fellow fell to carbon monoxide poisoning (ok, a couple of others fell too) due to that minor slip-up caused by inattentive minions down in Foggy Bottom mindlessly carrying out the policy implications sent to them from the White House. The idiots didn’t divine the importance of security and safety Obama would declare in the days following the bumps in the road to world-wide peace and prosperity.

  94. - sdferr, that idea of Obama “teh toxic” is glaringly obvious even here in Cal. Moonbeam and Feinstein didn’t use his name once in any campaign speeches or circulars once. You wouldn’t know he existed.

  95. Christie as VP is such old news though: the new news is that Romney fucked up by not picking Rob Portman rather than the useless Paul Ryan. The bringers of this new news mean Romney can’t possibly win a majority of Electoral College votes with only Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire, Florida, Virginia and North Carolina, nevermind Pennsylvania and Michigan. No no no. He simply must have Ohio or his goose is cooked.

  96. Romney’s behind in Ohio

    Then he took his behind to Pennsylvania, where he’s tied with O. What’s your point?

    The only way Romney loses Ohio is if Ohio has suddenly become Maryland.

  97. it ain’t close. go vote tues. eff him real good.

  98. team baracky – lean forward!

  99. Operation Demoralize has gotten to Roddy. He’s going to hide under his fainting couch all day Tuesday.

  100. How can it even be close? That it’s close suggests just how close to being over we really are.

    Which is why I am choosing to believe that it’s not close.

  101. Well hey, there’s fallible human wisdom and then there’s polls which are never in error. The smart ones know which they’d pick to lean on.

  102. Polls are always in error. They tell you so up front.

  103. roddy

    please please absolutely no incumbent has won with less that 50% approval rating

    The media has compromised itself beyond redemption in trying to drag Obama across the finish line – be it fluffer pieces pretending to be news or the Benghazi blackout.

    And it only works that O wins if the Democrats turn up at the polls in higher numbers than they did in 08 and the fucking enthusiasm is JUST NOT THERE.

    Obama is drawing crowds of less than 5K and Romney is at 30K plus.

    It’ll be hard to overcome the rampant Democrat cheating that is underway, from busing in illegals to vote to the legions of lawyers out to fuck over local polls, but it is only a ‘given’ that Romney loses by those that are trying to fix the election.

  104. I’ve read at least four (Barone, Will, Morris and Whatshisname at pjmedia) plus the WHI predict 300+ for Romney.

    If RINOs and ex-Dems are coming out with those predictions, well I’ll choose to believe it.

  105. What happened at Bronco’s rally in Cincy? Some sort of ruckus? I can’t find any information, but Bronco lost his bearings and Faux cut away.

  106. And it only works that O wins if the Democrats turn up at the polls in higher numbers than they did in 08 and the fucking enthusiasm is JUST NOT THERE.

    – I think the backlash is so intense it wouldn’t matter if the Dem enthusiasm was there. It all depends on the Romney turnout, Obama’s base just isn’t large enough. In ’08 it turned out heavily and the right stayed home. There is no way in hell that doesn’t flip this time on the right, so its not a question of whether, just a question of extent.

  107. You’d have to have your bearing before you lost it, wouldn’t you?

  108. - The Dems only hope is to tie things up in court in as many states as possible. Thats why all the bullshit with the voting haggling.

  109. Well, yeah Ernst. I forgot myself for a moment.

    Apparently, BO was speechifying and was startled or caught off guard by something in the mezzinine. I wasn’t watching. Hubs told me about it.

  110. I already voted. On Tuesday I may just seal myself up in an isolation chamber and try for some sort of altered state-type dealio. That way, if Obama steals this somehow, I won’t much care, because I’ll be scavenging for food as a kinda half-monkey person.

  111. baracky’s concession priceless

  112. We’re voting Tuesday. You should too (or two), Jeff.

    Vote early and vote often they say.

  113. well $16,000,000,000,00o

  114. - Heres an account Leigh, no link:

    5:39 PM – Today
    Obama Gets Heckled In Cincinnati

    In a rare moment for his campaign, President Obama was heckled twice during a Sunday evening appearance in Cincinnati, Ohio.

    It wasn’t immediately clear what the hecklers were yelling about, although reporters on the ground suggested it was abortion related. The president stayed calm through it all, even after the first heckler required multiple police officers to escort him out.

    After the second heckler interrupted his address (during the section about the country coming together during Hurricane Sandy), Obama even cracked a joke, wondering whether the person was a Tennessee Titans fan bitter about the team’s loss to his Chicago Bears earlier that day.

    – Notice the lask of mention of crowd size. The press has been carefully cherry picking that sort of info.

  115. Thanks, BBH.

    Of course O never cracked any joke and looked rattled. (I’ll believe my husband’s lying eyes.)

  116. Obama is scheduled to speak here in front of a sizable crowd at Aurora Community College tonight. Seems The Dave Matthews Band is opening for him.

    Guy needs to get the fucking community college vote. Pathetic.

  117. NR, Ernst:

    I stand up when I’m wrong, you guys know that. Hell, I apologize more than anyone around here.

    McGhee: Fainting couch? Come on. Little respect please. I work in an industry where I’m a Jackie Robinson level minority. The shit I’ve taken….If you honestly understood what I did, taking on fraud, man, you’d walk that fainting couch bit back.

    Darleen: Maybe, hopefully, but probably not.

    Here’s the thing: I’m not seeing where I’m wrong. He won’t win Ohio (but will get Va. and Fla.; I’m going out on a limb as Va. is razor thin close, but POTUS has conceded Fla. and NC.) It’ll be close, maybe inside of 2% there and a few other places where McCain was walloped, but he won’t win. The Pa. bit is unfunny, nor is he going to win Wisconsin, Michigan or whatever other state Romney’s strategists have been leaking to Charles Hurt @ Drudge.

    Romney was an imperfect candidate with his PE money, but he sure made POTUS sweat, I’ll give him that.

  118. Obama’s base just isn’t large enough. In ’08 it turned out heavily and the right stayed home. There is no way in hell that doesn’t flip this time on the right, so its not a question of whether, just a question of extent.

    That’s also the assessment of this Washington Post piece linked in the Tatler blog. Key take away:

    Overall, “[t]wo weeks of Washington Post-ABC News tracking poll interviews find 84 percent of likely voters who supported Obama in 2008 support him this year, while 13 percent say they are switching to Romney [emph. add. By way of comparison, how many polls are reporting that McCain voters in '08 now plan to vote for Obama? –E.S.] and 3 percent are backing others or haven’t made up their mind yet.” Now, from the standpoint of the Republican Party, whether they vote for Romney or for Mickey Mouse, they reduce Obama’s vote. Now, here’s a little bit of math for you: Obama got about 53 percent of the vote in 2008. Obama is only getting 84 percent of those votes this time.

    84 percent of 53 percent is 45 percent.[emph orig.]

    Frankly, the hard part for us is going to be to persuade the GOP establishment that it wasn’t their sensibility and moderation (naturally embodied by Romney) that won them the election.

  119. I already voted, leigh. So did my wife. Ballots were in over a week ago.

  120. Jeff,

    That’s his base you’re talking about.

    Also, a vote is a vote. Sadly, that CC and a few others full of jam band noodlers blown away by DMB’s tired sets are going to give him your state.

  121. I stand up when I’m wrong, you guys know that. Hell, I apologize more than anyone around here.

    Like I said Roddy, I’m looking forward to watching you eat those pixels. [grin]

  122. I can only go by what I see, and most of the Obama stuff I see on cars is from 2008. In my town, at least, I’ve yet to see an Obama/Biden yard sign.

  123. Ernst,

    Interesting. I’m in the phone book. If Romney wins and you’re ever Cape Fear way, I’ll buy you a beer and a cheesburger. If POTUS wins, I’ll do the same.

  124. I know you did, Jeff. I was just joking.

  125. A friend whose wife is way active in the Obama campaign in NC said they tossed NC more than 10 days back, closed offices, pulled pro’s out. It’s only volunteers and long paid for ads now.

    Va., I am told, is different. It’s tipping Romney, and if Ohio was a tossup, they’d be crapping their pants now. They cannot lose both Ohio and Virginia–if NC and Fla. are gone–and win (I don’t think.)

  126. - Roddy. Ohio is my birth home. If the flyovers turn out in anger the Cleve/Cinn/Columbus vote will be swamped under. Whether the rednecks get off their asses and vote is the only question. You can take that to the bank.

  127. Honestly Roddy, I think you’re letting your hardbitten reporter’s cynicism get the best of you.

    The upside to that is you get to be pleasantly surprised Tuesday night.

    And if I’m wrong. I’ll cheerfully admit it.

    (Well, not cheerfully, but you know what I mean.)

  128. BBH,

    I hope you are correct. I mean that. You know those people well enough, I suppose.

    Virginia is super razor thin for Romney now; I hope the counties outside of Fairfax and Prince William(?) turn out big time. Those near-in suburbs have done very well the last four years.

  129. Probably true.

    Stay well. Plenty to talk about starting Tuesday.

  130. Roddy

    This is pure anecdote, but I work with a dda who was quite the mover/shaker in the Dem party, Los Angeles in 08. got to meet Obama when he & his wife were Bill Clinton’s guests at a $25K a plate fundraiser.

    Him and his whole family are voting Romney this time out.

    and, oh btw, he’s black

    he’s not advertising this much …but I don’t think he’s the only one disgusted with the Benghazi and other things and will be marking his “traitorous” vote in the privacy of the voting booth.

  131. Who sent the opinion poll? ‘Cause y’know, they don’t want no poll nobody ain’t sent.

  132. Benghazi really is a huge, huge deal to the military and, of course to the rest of us. But most especially to the military.

    VA is home to many active and retired vets as well as GS employees. They are not going for Obama and they are pissed.

    Bronco’s fecklessnes in the face of the Benghazi debacle is going to cook his goose. He will have only himself to blame. May he roast in hell.

  133. - Actually there’s a whole gaggle of the whore media in that same boat, and they’ll be scrammbling just to survive their feckless cheerleading after Tuesday. Which, in the long run, is another thing to feel good about.

    – Not so good is the fact that our first Black American president turned out to be a devisive, polarizing ideolog. We’ve missed a giant chance to accomplish some trully significant racial healing, and thats a damn shame. Hopefully we do batter with a true Black American leader who see’s himself as president of All people and governs the same way in the not to distant future. We can hope.

  134. Speaking of polls, here’s something I know but can’t prove suspect:

    Political opinion polls aren’t random random. They’re random among that subset of the population that the pollsters know to be willing to participate in their poll.

    Which means they’re not representative.

  135. We’ve missed a giant chance to accomplish some trully significant racial healing, and thats a damn shame.

    Doesn’t equality demand that we treat him like we would a white liberal fuck-up and boot his skinny black ass to the curb?

  136. It may not be the first he wanted, but shitcanning him would be historic.

    We need to do this thing. For the healing

  137. Gillespie claims Romney leads with Independents in Ohio by double digits, yet Obama is presumed to lead the State in totality by 3 or whatever. Says Gillespie, that smells worserer than a rotten, maggot-infested Limburger left sitting out for six days inna hot humid clime. We should assume Gillespie is a lying liar who more than anything just wants to tell false stories to fend off pending reality for a couple days more and a paycheck.

  138. I have judged him by the content of his character and found him severely wanting.

    Now, get the fuck out of our White House, asshat.

  139. - Ernst, its all part of the “perceptions” game. everyone knows that conservatives tend to be far nore retisent to take part in any sort of demonstrative assertion. The Dem slanted press and most of the pollsters take bald-faced advantage of that, even the ones that don’t do it by intent.

    – That automatically assures them of Dem over-sampling.

    – That’s also why the campaigns themselves ignore national polls and use only “internals”. Polls are useless to them if they’re not reasonably accurate.

  140. “Doesn’t equality demand that we treat him like we would a white liberal fuck-up and boot his skinny black ass to the curb?”

    If we take Shelby Steele for a guide, there won’t be any racial healing as such, since there can’t be anything similar until no-one remembers there could be anything similar to that. Minding racial healing as such, I think he means, only puts the barrier of a need for racial healing in the way of not needing it (racial healing). It just has to be over, in a sense, and done with. Otherwise, the cycle continues.

  141. everyone knows that conservatives tend to be far nore retisent to take part in any sort of demonstrative assertion.

    If by that you mean: “I’ve got a real life. Why are you wasting my time with this shit?” [*click*], then I I agree with you.

  142. Political opinion polls aren’t random random. They’re random among that subset of the population that the pollsters know to be willing to participate in their poll.

    Which means they’re not representative.

    Their response rate is 9 percent. The biased weighting aside, they’re bullshit.

  143. Insty (E.P.Foley) linked:

    The poll, conducted by Democratic polling firm Baydoun-Foster for Fox 2 News Detroit, has Romney up 47-46 on Obama. The same polling firm pegged the race in Michigan a tie in a survey late October.

    The poll is the first in Michigan since August to give Romney a lead, however, while Obama holds a 3.8 percent lead in the Real Clear Politics polling average.

    Not a poll anybody sent.

  144. It’s that low response rate that, I believe, forces the pollsters to fudge when they’re dialing “randomly.”

    I’m anti-cellphone, and I don’t go around switching my carrier every six months looking for a deal. I’ve had 5 phone numbers in three states in eighteen years. Never got polled until six years ago. Now I get polled every time an election comes up. I’ve been polled by Rassmussen a couple of times in in-between years as well.

    And I live in one of the most unimportant, unswingingest states in the union.

  145. - The victimization industry is not going to let anyone forget racism until they’re all dead and gone.

    – But, like all paper tigers it will fade. Unfortunately there is still money and political power to be had in that falsehood, so it will be a while.

    – Either way, Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.

  146. Obama holds a 3.8 percent lead in the Real Clear Politics polling average.

    That Charles Martin Tatler piece I linked attempts to explain why RCP’s averaging is a useless waste of time. Something to do with compounding margins of error.

    But I don’t speak statistics so don’t ask me to explain why

  147. If we assume we have six snap-shot pieces of data about the same subject and one is closely accurate while five are wildly inaccurate, averaging them dilutes the accuracy of the one more than it improves upon the inaccuracy of the five. If, on the other hand, only one is inaccurate and five are accurate, the situation would be reversed, it would appear. So the question is, how to differentiate between the two types — but the averaging alone wouldn’t help with that problem, would it?

  148. If that’s your way of saying overlapping fuzzy pictures only get blurrier and fuzzier, then yeah, that’s what Martin said.

  149. I didn’t see Martin’s comments on that, but it could work like that with transparencies overlain I guess, so long as fuzzy pertains to the inaccurate picture(s) and crisp clarity to the accurate one(s) — why not? Works for me.

    But I think we can use numbers too . . . so let 2 be the value on the button (or the true picture of the object of investigation), and take the two sets below for demonstration purposes:
    (2.0,6.5,7.2,5.6,6.0,4.6) = 5.31666666667 [further from t.v]
    and
    (7.0,2.0,2.1,1.9,2.2,2.0) = 2.86666666667 [closer to t.v.]
    But in the example, we assume we have the true value to begin with, i.e. t.v. = 2.

    In the polling problem we don’t know what the true value is, and no way to differentiate these averages to find it. The means of differentiation lays elsewhere than in averaging, so to say. As it happens in the polling world, presumably the voting result tells the tale (only to be so soon forgotten!), yet in the meantime, prior to the actual vote, peeps want to take something from the polling averages as trustworthy, when they’ve no idea which figure is which.

  150. - Without going into the “inside baseball” jargon, “compounded error”, or the alternative you’ll sometimes see “accumulative error”, simply means that the variables are too great to give any real meaning to the absolute results when comparing candidates. In direct terms both candidates have an equal chance of winning and losing, based on the poll of note. You’re not likely to see any pollster say that for obvious reasons.

    – In the case of “internal” polling, the improvement comes in using a statistically large enough sample to minimize errors, but that costs lots of money, so only the campaigns get that data. Even internals suffer more or less from errors in sampling, but they are a bit more accurate.

    – The true benefit from polling, particularly internals, is something that is not talked about to any great extent. Trends.

    – Trending can be highly accurate because sampling and other erroes tend to camcel out naturally. Suffice it to say, trends therefore are enherently accurate, and over longer periods of time just grow more so.

    – Starting back in the May time frame it became obvious that Obama was steadily trending downward and Romney the opposite. Recently they both leveled out, but those trends continued throughout the summer and fall.

    – Say you’re Obama’s campaign and you see that trend, and then you couple that with two facts. Whatever the exact win/lose numbers, the race must be close, if you assume an equal turnout on both sides.

    – Now consider it with the added indications of a weakened Dem turnout and an much strebgthened Rep/Independent turnout.

    – Theres your answer and why the Dems are scrambling.

  151. Yeah. Rich people in Hollywood really seem to dig him. So the fuck what ?

  152. Bah humbug Roddy;)

    Every poll (Swing-state or National) I’ve seen that claims Obama is ahead, is using a 2008 model or even higher Dem turnout advantages.

    No way is Obozo getting that this year.

    I’d say Romney’s big ad buy combined with the turnout in PA is meaningful. Mitt’s political past doesn’t make many of us very confident in his potential as a conservative but one thing I feel fairly certain of is that he’s no reckless gambler.

  153. I hope Romney wins, and I will be doing the political junkie thing that night, but the unknown quantity in my opinion is how many people said they were going to vote for Obama because they didn’t want to be seen as racist, but actually will vote for Romney. That may not be happening, but I think it is.

    I do not trust polls, because people like me will not answer them, and I think that subset is growing.

  154. Yea, economic downturns are excellent for the environment. I haven’t been able to take a vacation in two years.

    Of course, my cousin and spouse (former Obama voter – who argued that Republicans were ruining the environment, etc) has been traveling these last four years at record pace. They fly around the country almost as much as Obama.

    But they’ve had a change of heart. The book “Unintended Consequences” changed ‘em. They messaged me, and I thought someone had hacked their account.

    Nope. World view changed. I like to think I had a tiny bit to do with it, because I got into a HUGE argument (mostly economic) with him a week or two before he picked up the book.

  155. eigh says November 4, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I have judged him by the content of his character and found him severely wanting.

    Now, get the fuck out of our White House, asshat.

    Heh.

    Stolen.

  156. I know several Obama voters who are voting Romney. FWIW.

    Two are Jewish, and to the core Dems, but they have a daughter living in Israel. Finally they see the light.

    I mentioned the other.

    More – just random people who have told me (in discussion) that they voted for O, but what a mistake that was … etc

    I know NO ONE for whom the reverse is true.

  157. I won’t much care, because I’ll be scavenging for food as a kinda half-monkey person.

    Unfortunately I didn’t vote early, so I must maintain my sapience. But I did fill out my sample ballot, so I could get away with only keeping enough cerebral hamsters running to copy over my choices.

    I will vote to ouster the SCOFL justices who are up for retention, again. Same crew that were responsible for Bush v. Gore, believe it or not, are still working.

    Romney was an imperfect candidate with his PE money, but he sure made POTUS sweat, I’ll give him that.

    Past tense is reserved for things that have already happened, Roddy.

    I have judged him by the content of his character and found him severely wanting.

    Now, get the fuck out of our White House, asshat.

    That should be quote of the year. I’d put it up on Facebook but I’d be doing my kids a disservice and likely have my pastors unfriend me.

    As far as signage goes, there really aren’t that many signs in my area. Romney signs are substantially greater in number than Obama signs, but I would say that fewer than one in eight houses have any signs at all, so there are a lot of closet voters out there. There are a couple of houses that have an overabundance of signs in front of them for Obama; one of them is touting every single Democrat on the ticket, including Val Demings who is seeking to Peter-principle herself into a House slot. She was good on crime, but she’s a liberal of the sort that Toqueville warned us about a while back.

    The houses with teh crazee proliferation of Democrat signs belong to 1) Linda Chapin, a local Democrat. Who also was instrumental in getting one of the lowest millage rates in the whole state set in the district she happens to live in. Odd coincidence, I am sure. NB: I also live there, but I don’t belong to the party screaming for higher taxes. Also: she lives in a house on Lake Conway, on a one and a quarter acre lot valued at $400k. She could split it in 4 pieces and sell each one for $400k. Lakefront property is pretty dear, here, even in the slump. The other property is owned by a woman but there’s frequently a dude sitting out front waving anti-Romney signs to the traffic, for which he is pretty much constantly flipped off by drivers.

    I can’t predict how Florida will go. Most Democrats I know are unhappy with Obama but just won’t talk about it, which tells me they are going to go ahead and vote for him anyway. Even though he’s an empty-suit bit of fluff who promises much and delivers pretty much the opposite.

  158. I don’t think mitt and sununu would have added another east coast ponce with a bloomberg mentality to their ticket

    it’s redundant ideologically and geographically

  159. NOw I’m in a full blown crisis, because really. If Christie was his first choice for VP, that tells you right there where Romney is headed. He will NOT be reining in the government. So why vote for him again? Just to punish the asswipe in office? What does it matter if we don’t end up with anything better? Aren’t we just dupes once again?

    I’m from OH, but I left 10 years ago. My hometown is an absolute shell of its former self. bleh

  160. Better the center-left Republican that you have a leash on than the guy who’s hellbent on spending us into becoming the largest copy of Greece in the world.

    Is my take on things. But Romney is not perfect, so let’s give Obama another four years, is happyfeet’s point.

  161. that was missfixit silly you are confuzzled in you head you should get some activia it will help you poop

    thanks jamie lee!

  162. It’s a mental illness! I probably won’t know if I’m voting for Romney or abstaining until I walk into the booth tomorrow. please don’t beat me :P (this is the only blog where i can have my schizo political meltdowns without being screamed at and called a liberal troll.)

    Focus on Benghazi focus on Benghazi focus on Behnghazi…. it will get me across the finish line

  163. ; one of them is touting every single Democrat on the ticket, including Val Demings who is seeking to Peter-principle herself into a House slot.

    Debby Stabenow.

    She is the epitome of the Peter Principle.

  164. however you spell it

  165. If Christie was his first choice for VP, that tells you right there where Romney is headed.

    Or maybe it doesn’t tell you were he’s headed, since he did change his mind.

    Ryan was a solid pick.

  166. I probably won’t know if I’m voting for Romney or abstaining until I walk into the booth tomorrow. please don’t beat me :P (this is the only blog where i can have my schizo political meltdowns without being screamed at and called a liberal troll.)

    Listen you liberal troll: You get your ass into that voting booth and you vote the right way or I’ll call you a liberal troll some more!

  167. Missfixit –

    Stare at the ceiling and think of England.

  168. Anyone considering not voting, or joining the Paul – Johnson circle jerk, recall this:

    TWO SUPREME COURT VACANCIES.

    That is all.

  169. Listen you liberal troll: You get your ass into that voting booth and you vote the right way or I’ll call you a liberal troll some more!

    you’re not doing it right! Insult my intelligence, tell me I’m worthless, and question my devotion to God and the unborn.

    Then call me a liberal troll some more! :(

    okay okay. Focus on Libya. I can do this.

  170. I had a young person (most likely an Obama voter) tell me she’s either going to sit out or vote for Johnson. I said I thought that was very wise.

  171. Stick with your principals, I said.

  172. Stare at the ceiling and think of England.

    ok I lol’d
    so true :/

  173. Well I’m voting for Romney because duped or not, Obama didn’t have a real foreign policy after four years and handed us a double Iran-style revolution situation and seems to be working on a third. He seems to assume that his popularity with the world is a form of international security and that Russia will do massive nuclear disarmament if he does it first. We already knew has no real energy policy, no real economic policy, and no real interior policy. He has stale euro-style leftist dreams and a long dead cult of personality instead of anything that could make him a good president. He is also lawless. He is looking for a chance to enact radical environmental measures, anti-gun measures, and pave the way for international submission to unconstitutional powers via screwed up treaties. Worse, he’s to stupid to change tacks when his policies fail and has tamed the press. He’s got to go and fast. He IS worse than Romney. Much worse. Losing more slowly sucks unless you are a hair away from losing quickly, then buying time suddenly seems worth it.

    So with THAT much bullshit to his name I am voting Romney. And as soon as Romney’s in he’d better attempt to repeal Obamacare or I’ll turn on him and start looking into a third party. Actually I’ll probably do that anyway. The GOP is dead to me and they WANT IT THAT WAY. Romney is much more likely to actually form a real foreign policy at some point, that has something to do with American interests and not weird Soros stuff, and he’ll probably have it in place before March.

    I have no illusions that Romney will turn into Reagan when the moon is full or that he will spark some sort of conservative revolution in the country. In a lot of ways he has volunteered for a suicide mission because there will be pain and the left will depend on the USA’s goldfish memory to come roaring back with supposedly new ideas that are just the same old shit with new fancy focus group tested labeling. The hour is late and the night is dark, but Romney is I think less of an empty twisted little lunatic piece of shit than what we’ve got. Unfortunately he IS probably a weathervane and his advisers are where most of his wind comes from. When the press figures out that he’s soft we’ll have to have tea party in the streets pretty regular and we’ll have to use the third party/end of the GOP as we know threat so constantly that the north-easterners will lose their fear of it from over exposure. And I’m half afraid that Romney will schmooze and shame some of the Tea Party people away from their goals and a slightly more leftwing Noreaster version of Bush will seem like the new normal. If that happens then the country will grudgingly shift towards it thinking that it is the will of an insurmountable majority and the new center while the left starts seeking to undermine confidence in 2010 and 2012 and paint themselves as right all along just like thy did in 2008.

    That’s my view on it, but vote your conscience.

  174. I think we really should be encouraging former Obama voters to vote with their conscious. Those who would NEVER vote for an R.

    Johnson is there to fill the void.

  175. There’s protest voting and then there’s consequential protest voting.

    Voting for Johnson doesn’t hurt Obama. Voting for Romney does.

    If Romney prevails, as he should, the hard part is going to be persuading the establishment that the Republican base isn’t pro-Romney so much as it’s anti-Obama. Once he’s gone, the Romney administration is going to have to figure out how to keep it’s base intact if it wants a second term.

  176. So last night CBS released yet more of the interview Steve Croft had with Obama on Sept 12th and broadcast later that week.

    Y’know, the interview broadcast where CBS didn’t run Obama’s comments allowing as how the attack could have been terroristic (though it hadn’t been definitively determined as such, said Obama), but which CBS then released after the infamous Candy Crowley interruption working in Obama’s favor? That is, belatedly released the parts of the interview in which it appeared Obama was agreeing to call the attack terrorism-related, and thus back Obama’s claim he called the attack terrorism from the beginning?

    Ah, well, this last release reverses the field once again! Now we see that presented the question

    “KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya Attack, do you believe that this was a terrorism attack?”

    Obama chooses to waffle!

    “OBAMA: Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other.”

    Who knew? I mean, besides CBS? And who knows but that CBS will once again demand our respect for their honest reportage?

  177. Focus on Libya

    I’d focus first on the abject apology for an offensive youtube trailer nobody saw about a movie which likely doesn’t exist.

    we’re so sorry we made you kill our citizens we’ll try not to let that happen anymore

    What the fuck was that?

    Then I’d focus on how that’s their idea of explaining away the fact that they didn’t have the balls to even attempt to fight back. Like fighting back was only going to make the perpetually outraged Arab street any angrier.

    Finally, with those two things in mind, I’d ask myself, what does all that imply about stopping people who think a retaliatory nuclear strike is a bonus from acquiring a nuke in the first place?

    Also, “fundamental transformation” isn’t covered by the Oath of Office.

  178. All of my friends back in OH are on facebook, the opposing sides seem to have dug in. The only comfort I have is that one of them who voted for Obama last time is actively saying that he made a mistake. He’s like me in that we don’t have faith in either party – yet I know that he will go liberal again as soon as he gets a candidate with a set of balls (Obama’s pretty embarrassing in that regard)

  179. “TWO SUPREME COURT VACANCIES.”

    Too late.

    The chief justice we have, that OUR OWN GUY picked, is already a magical leprechaun casting sparkling charms and fizzing curses as he likes, from his hovering throne at the end of a dirty wrinkled rainbow.

    He’s sort of like Hercules. He’s a post-legal demigod, a true son of mighty Zeus. He’s a big fat thread in the weaving of the fates destined for olympus, the stars, and the gleaming pages of legend. He is a decider, ascended from the mere dingy sphere of Marshall. He is glowing being of light and can crap a unicorn anytime he feel like it, on the head of a pin if need be. He wears the big boy pants and the wretched faceless people shall flourish in the deepest shadowed glory of his cosmic whims. How lucky we are to be bound and left to whither in such a wondrous fantastical oubliette.

    Why only a lunatic would reject a golden age of tyranny and drama such such as this! “Oh what a constitution dies in me! ” he cries, ” I will tax us all to heaven and our feet shall crunch on the shattered conquered bones of that ogre liberty! High speed rail for all! “

  180. McGhee: Fainting couch? Come on. Little respect please. I work in an industry where I’m a Jackie Robinson level minority. The shit I’ve taken….If you honestly understood what I did, taking on fraud, man, you’d walk that fainting couch bit back.

    You’re saying Romney can’t win Ohio, based on … what?

    I said fainting couch and I mean it. Eat some fiber, man.

  181. Roddy, when polls are showing Pennsylvania and Michigan in play, there is no way in hell Romney is behind in Ohio — unless one chooses to believe that all those other polls are wrong, but the ones from Ohio, where Team Zero wants most to demoralize the opposition, are right.

  182. When the phony Ohio exit polls on Election Day in 2004 had the whole damned dextrosphere hiding under their fainting couches, I was one of the few calling bullshit.

  183. Johnson is there to fill the void.

    Can we have a trigger alert there, Carin? It’s well before the watershed hour.

  184. Isn’t ‘fainting couch’ a euphemism for furniture used by women t semi recline during sessions of vigorous genital vibrator massage as prescribed medicine in 1800’s to treat symptoms of “hysteria*” ?

    * which can apparently be translated as ‘lady is all worked up, she needs a rub-job from a trained professional…and it’s medical and not at all an lame excuse for some quality assisted bunk wacking.’

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