October 23, 2012

In case you didn’t see it: debate review

Obama slaughtered Romney in  last night’s foreign policy debate, enough so that his obvious trouncing of his challenger will reverse the preference cascade toward the poor bewildered rich cracker who was so obviously out of his depth, and convince every last “undecided” and moderate and independent that the dismal economic and foreign policy results of the last four years really are the fault of Bush and a recalcitrant Republican House, which is itself the ill-considered manifestation of a 2010 push by racist teabagging domestic terrorists to harm a serious — and historic — first black President, and derail his agenda to take us forwardly forward, to that forward place, up forward where all the good shit is, right there, forward, at the end of the multicultural, socialist, big government rainbow.

And just in time, too.  With only 15 days left, Obama really was cutting it close with his “win over the undecideds, moderates, and independents by making them forget the last four years of economic woe and by showing confidence in a muddled mess of foreign policy” strategy.  But it looks like he managed to pull it off at the last second, the comeback kid did.  Just listen to the media!

Or maybe not.

It really is hard to tell, especially when so many people were watching the football game instead — including those awful unpatriotic ignoramuses who have already made up their minds and had the audacity to refuse to be swayed by any last minute cascade of historical revisionism.

 

 

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:27am
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  1. The Libertarians at Zero Hedge have come out and endorsed Romney. Perhaps one of the better summations of the problems at hand (from a strictly Economic and Fiscal perspective).

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-23/american-elections

  2. Holy ticker tape, Batman!

    The stock market is cratering.

  3. his agenda to take us forwardly forward, to that forward place, up forward where all the good shit is, right there, forward,

    FTFY

    You and your redneck spelling.

  4. “up forward where all the good shit is”
    I *heart* you. When the ship is going down, you’re the one I want playing the music.

    So. I have been pretty determined not to vote this year out of protest. To somehow cleanse my voting soul of the stain of past votes (McCain etc). I am so tired of just voting on the lesser of two evils. But here we are, down to the wire, and every last man is finally grabbing onto Romney’s staff like it’s going to pull us out of this nightmare. I can’t even go on HA anymore because people are flipping out, if you’re not feverishly passionate about Mittens you are labeled a concern troll or moby or whatever. and cursed at.

    Even my own parents. (although my dad won’t curse at me but he will imply that i’m an idiot all of the sudden.)

    Don’t we ever get tired of all this same shit every. single. election.?

  5. I am going to steal all or part of this. Or maybe both.

  6. Don’t we ever get tired of all this same shit every. single. election.?

    The short answer is: No. Just remind yourself that every election is going to be portrayed as the Most Important Election in Our Lifetime™ and carry on with your life.

    My dem SIL isn’t speaking to me (again), but thems the breaks.

  7. missfixit, I’m voting for Gary Johnson. In fact, I’m voting straight Libertarian — something I get to do in Texas. Oklahoma munged about in the election laws a few years ago to make it harder (impossible) for third parties to get on the ballot. For the children or something.

    I felt clean after I refused to vote for McCain. My mom was really mad at me at the time and disagreed with me for almost a year afterward, and then after some GOP crap (I don’t remember what) she kinda sighed one day and said, “I think you were right.”

  8. I don’t think Romney is going to save us. He might be made to do the right thing with enough persuasion, but his nature is to think that government provides solutions to problems.

    However, Obama’s mishandling of foreign policy in the last few months was enough to convince me that he is the much greater of two evils, and we need to be rid of him.

    Others differ, and will refuse to vote for either candidate. That is fine. If Obama wins, it will be because of all the fools who vote for him, not because someone couldn’t stomach voting for Mitt.

  9. In that every single-party Two Party election has been and will continue to be portrayed as the Most Important Election in Our Lifetime, and that at some point you just write in a genuine third choice, I agree with many in this thread.

    Last night’s thread was not so encouraging. It may sound like a slogan but it’s true anyway: Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. We’ve seen how that works out so why would we do it again?

  10. When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are guaranteed to not only get evil, but less.

  11. I’m more or less where Cranky is. And it’s not because of the (predictable) disaster of a foreign policy that has been and will continue to be, only more so if Obama gets the flexibility he needs. It’s because of his loathsome performance standing over the corpse (pronounced “core” in defernce the the wisest bravest most wonderful President I’ve ever known) of Ambassador Stevens and the other victims of this administrations feckless lassitude.

    If I have to vote for Mitt Romney to be rid of this irksome would-be priest king, then so. be. it.

    I hope he chokes on his fucking waffles.

  12. And since I’m voting against Obama instead of for Mitt, I look forward to his inevitable primary challenge should he prove himself to be the Dwight David Rockefeller-Bush we all know he wants to be.

  13. Well, there’s evil like driving home after drinking three beers, then there’s evil like incinerating 6,000,000 Jews.

    Still, I agree with cranky. If you feel a protest vote will make you feel the noble evil fighter, knock yourself out.

  14. Dwight Ford David Milhouse Rockefeller-Bush

    Fixed that for me.

  15. Greetings:

    Geez, I thought all youz guys would be stuck on FOX watching the bi-coastal Giants beat the dickens out of the flyover Cardinals instead of looking for sophomoric ways to pick on the USofA’s unprecedented, historic, first half-black ex-President.

  16. Voted for Mike Rowe in 2008; haven’t regretted it once. Don’t know why I’d change course now!

  17. Mike Rowe is a great choice, Squid.

  18. Truth be told, more than foreign policy, the thought that the next president will probably pick the next two Supreme Court Justices scares me. If Obama gets to pick, America is dead. Your children will not grow up free. Now, of course, even if Obama loses that’s a crap shoot, but if Obama is elected, it’s a guarantee.

  19. We already lost the court when Roberts molted and turned out to be a beautiful libneral enabling butterfly underneath the old slimy constructionist worm-skin he used to wear.

  20. The antidote, LBascom, is a thoroughly TEA Partied Congress. More of that, I say.

  21. I want it on the record that I only voted against Obama’s socialist chasing white half and Joe Biden. Because it’s the only way I could possibly hope to continue my war on women via not subsidizing their birth control costs. And also because Joe Biden is a wurbling looney boat and possibly half muppet.

  22. We already lost the court

    No, When Obama selects Eric Holder and Valerie Jarret, we’ll have lost the court, and the country.

    Course, a vote for the Libertarian candidate will show who’s what…

  23. The wife and I reversed course and did in fact pull the trigger for Romney. But only as a stop gap to get Obama out.

    Having voted for him, I now own part of him, should he win. And I’m going to be a very very very strict owner.

    Beyond that, though, I think whatever the outcome of this election, the GOP establishment and the conservative / classical liberal / TEA Party base are going to engage in a huge existential battle. And I think the GOP is either going to have to get in line with us or head over to the Democrat side. Which won’t be terrible, because it’ll dilute the hard left with a lot of moderate mushiness and move it more toward the Democratic party of, say, JFK.

    I agree with those of you who say enough is enough, and no more lesser of two evils. And I don’t begrudge you voting libertarian or writing someone else in. I really don’t. I just feel like we can not afford 4 more years of this guy without bringing the whole thing crashing down. And with two small kids, that literally terrifies me. In my state, every vote counts.

    But it will be moot if we don’t also take the Senate and the House, and not with establicans, either. Any GOP office holder who has pimped for a Democrat instead of a TEA Party challenger should be primaried and cast out, whatever his or her voting record. There cannot be a permanent ruling class. And it’s time these entitled suited monkeys learned that.

    We also need to change leadership — at least in the House. I think McConnell will, confronted with the reality of a bunch of new conservative / TEA Party Senators (should we get them; the GOP isn’t too terribly concerned with helping most of the serious ones, many of whom are in tight races), act in the interests of that particular trend. Boehner, on the other hand, needs to go. As does Cantor. Period. Full stop.

    To me, it’s completely unacceptable that the GOP is allowing the Dems to beat up on Bachmann, King, and West — along with a number of very good constitutional conservative Senate candidates.

    And that needs to be made clear as well, forcefully, once this election is over.

  24. This noble stance is much easier to take if you’re not in a swing state.

  25. But it will be moot if we don’t also take the Senate and the House, and not with establicans, either. Any GOP office holder who has pimped for a Democrat instead of a TEA Party challenger should be primaried and cast out, whatever his or her voting record. There cannot be a permanent ruling class. And it’s time these entitled suited monkeys learned that.

    We’ve been chipping away at that for two cycles now, and we’ve made significant progress in both of them. That project will need to be ongoing. The Senate will be more TEA Party come January than it is today. The House needs a GOP revolution.

  26. Indeed, Pablo. Minnesota is hardly in play; I figure it’s more important for me to send the message to the GOP that I don’t have to eat what they’re serving. Not that they ever listen.

  27. I’m seriously hoping we can replicate the gains made in 2010, or at least a significant fraction of those gains. A few dozen more small-gummint Representatives, a handful of Senators, and several more state governors and legislatures would be really nice. And afterward, I hope we can make a tour of the various media outlets, laughing in their faces and shouting “Who’s laughing now, assholes? WHO’S LAUGHING NOW?”

    Dare to dream!

  28. What stands beyond the election of politically principled Tea Party representatives?

    The minds of voters.

    What conditions the minds of voters?

    Schooling.

    So, as Aristotle knew [and the progressives will not say they've learned from him], what is primary regarding political regimes?

    Education.

    Surrender that and we have surrendered our polity. And has it not been long since surrendered?

  29. “If Obama wins, it will be because of all the fools who vote for him, not because someone couldn’t stomach voting for Mitt”

    Thank you for that Cranky. It gets so tiring being screamed at for being a traitor, when really you’re not the one with the problem.
    I could still vote for the down ticket candidates.

  30. - Even if Romney wins theres not a lot of evidence we can get it turned around. First things first of coutse, but we have to hope such is not the case.

    – In a lot of ways winning control of Congress is more important than the WH, but then theres the matter of the Supremes, so everything counts.

    – As a country we have such a deep hole ro crawl out of, its hard to see a path without 100% cooperation juat for starters.

  31. I’m in a swing state, Pablo. Denying the establishment here is the only hope to make a necessary point visible.

    I’ll vote for Mitt in four years only if he carves Obamacare from the books in his first thirty days.

    Odds, anyone?

  32. missfixit, down ticket is where we are going to change the government, if it can be changed. Don’t hesitate to vote even if you plan on leaving some entries blank.

  33. For those of you listening to Rush right now, that nice young college-going single mom Rush just talked to personified the point JHoward made.

    At least if I understand what he’s been driving at lo these many months.

  34. JHo, you won’t be voting for Mittens in four years.

  35. What stands beyond the election of politically principled Tea Party representatives?

    The minds of voters.

    What conditions the minds of voters?

    Schooling.

    So, as Aristotle knew [and the progressives will not say they've learned from him], what is primary regarding political regimes?

    Education.

    Surrender that and we have surrendered our polity. And has it not been long since surrendered?

    That.

    To the extent that believing little we’ll accept nearly anything, we’ve lost our perspective on what liberty feels like. Although the State cannot stand, it stands as status quo between its own intermittent collapses.

  36. JHo, you won’t be voting for Mittens in four years.

    But he promised.

  37. I’ll vote for Mitt in four years only if he carves Obamacare from the books in his first thirty days.

    If he’s got the Senate and doesn’t get it done, he’s going to have a mutiny on his hands.

  38. Folks, what are the technicalities of repealing Obarrykare, exactly?

  39. I know the Dems will argue otherwise, but a simple majority in both houses and POTUS’ signature.

  40. But [electing Romney] will be moot if we don’t also take the Senate and the House, and not with establicans, either. Any GOP office holder who has pimped for a Democrat instead of a TEA Party challenger should be primaried and cast out, whatever his or her voting record. There cannot be a permanent ruling class. And it’s time these entitled suited monkeys learned that.

    Spank the monkeys Jeff!

  41. Having voted for him, I now own part of him, should he win. And I’m going to be a very very very strict owner.

    The counterargument the more pragmatically minded will undoubtedly make is that, knowing Mitt to be who he is you voted for him anyways, so in point of fact what you own is what he gives you i.e. compassionate conservatism (only now with less conservatism).

    Or, as the late unlamented Arlen Specter once said, (paraphrasing because I’m too lazy to find the exact quote) the Republican party is a liberal party now.

    That’s the cynic in me. Picking Ryan for veep ought to give me some hope for something better than affordable, sensibley trimmed around the edges massively huge government.

    But I’m afraid Romney is as cynical as I am.

  42. “Surrender that and we have surrendered our polity. And has it not been long since surrendered?”

    Education takes two forms, institutional and self study. Institutionally we are generally educated to vote for the leftist. Then the actions of the leftist generally motivates us to self study where we educate ourselves to vote against the leftist because he/she’ll act like a leftist and ruin our lives. In short the cold blade of reality hanging above us incentivizes a rapid auto-deprogramming.

    Thus we go from a dead eyed chanting 2008 where we tried to evoke a savior from the heavens-> a dark mourning period where ultimate defeat is claimed for the right-> the nonsense of 2009, essentially a gala triumph in the streets and the emperor rode his chariot through a hippodrome filled ankle deep with new-pressed wine-> a roaring pillar shaking 2010 where the bread, circus, cheeze whiz, and threats did NOT mollify the crowd but filled them with a new purpose and unity -> 2012…whatever that turns out to be.

  43. I’m in a swing state, Pablo. Denying the establishment here is the only hope to make a necessary point visible.

    It’ll be a moot point, whoever wins. Think about it. One of these two is going to win, the establishment isn’t going to be denied this election.

    At this point, it’s like you have cancer. You can choose to do nothing (not vote) and let the cancer kill you, take chemo (vote for Romney) and hope for the best, or take a Bayer aspirin (vote third party) in a vain gesture of defiance of cancer ‘cuz neither of the first two choices are attractive.

    It’s not my place to tell you what to do with your vote, but I do have an opinion about how wise you’re decision is.

  44. you’re? sorry…your

  45. Labeling “two forms” and bifurcating by “institution” and “self” seems to me to fall short paleomerus, as though all institutional education is of a piece (or for that matter all self education similarly so), whereas on the contrary, very great differences within the categories may come to light — differences which can, on the one hand, institutionally rear such men as James Madison or on the other, cultivate a Robert Gibbs.

  46. “The counterargument the more pragmatically minded will undoubtedly make is that, knowing Mitt to be who he is you voted for him anyways, so in point of fact what you own is what he gives you i.e. compassionate conservatism (only now with less conservatism).”

    We got carrots and we got sticks and Mitt will get a LOT of whichever he picks.

    Mitt has the votes, and a neck deep mess, and the scorn or come hither of a cock teasing press.

    If this country doesn’t look like a land of the free, then the big two will split, and we’ll end up with three.

    Burma Shave

  47. It’s not my place to tell you what to do with your vote, but I do have an opinion about how wise you’re decision is.

    You’ll hound the point across two threads and make bad analogies.

    At this point, it’s like you have cancer.

    But at this point a year ago or a decade ago or a half century ago, I didn’t; none of us did. Kindly play that out.

    I don’t disrespect you for that, LBascom, but after it I am confirmed in my stand that as a matter of personal integrity — all any of us has, to your very admission — not playing is the only way to win.

    That at least is a known and accepted principle.

  48. “Labeling “two forms” and bifurcating by “institution” and “self” seems to me to fall short paleomerus”

    I’m talking about what’s on the market shelves right now.

    The official education is a left leaning one and is composed of orthodoxy and pablum. It need not be, yet it is. This is by design.

    The personal education is more complex, and less rigidly regulated by the theoretical fiat of corrupt human authority. It often leads to the right because the right happens to be where our own eyes do not to see a yawning abyss filled with the debris of ruined societies and enslaved degraded people who must learn the name of their own herd before they learn and forget their own names. In the scope of the personal education depravity has a much higher price than it does in the official eduction.

  49. Obama = HMS Titanic
    Romney = SS Minnow

    I’m voting for a chance at MaryAnn.

  50. For the survivors the fastest, least painful way back to land is living on a desert island indefinitely, RI Red?

  51. “I’m talking about what’s on the market shelves right now.”

    Then you are overlooking some members of the current market. Though they may be somewhat obscure or unknown to the mass this does not mean they do not exist, nor that the educational philosophies upon which they are founded have gone extinct.

  52. “At this point, it’s like you have cancer. You can choose to do nothing (not vote) and let the cancer kill you, take chemo (vote for Romney) and hope for the best, ”

    except….this cancer’s not going to kill *me*.

    It’s going to kill off all the mouth-breathing Obama voters once the final collapse comes. That whole Darwin thing, you know.

  53. Well, we are on the island. We are viewed as a Gilligan, pure hearted, malleable, and dumb as dirt. The question is, do we listen to the professor, the skipper, Mr. Howell, do we do Ginger’s laundry and hope that’ll get us a pre starvation one night stand behind the hut, or do we learn not to be a Gilligan anymore, and take our part in the island council as an equal? And isn’t using super-fast robots against the Harlem Globetrotters cheating?

  54. “Then you are overlooking some members of the current market. Though they may be somewhat obscure or unknown to the mass this does not mean they do not exist, nor that the educational philosophies upon which they are founded have gone extinct.”

    They are overlooked for a reason. They got run off the shelf and are either hiding in the produce department or are in the alley behind the store with a warning sign next to them.

  55. Isn’t there some saying like cure the disease kill the patient?

  56. Fine. Keep what you have and consider it sufficient to your needs. Remain, if you will, a sophomore.

  57. “Fine. Keep what you have and consider it sufficient to your needs. Remain, if you will, a sophomore.”

    Sure. Because those are my choices. I’m not good enough to hide in the produce department or hang out in the back alley anyway!

  58. You’ll hound the point across two threads and make bad analogies

    Fine, I’ll shut up about this particular point. Hounding is unseemly.

  59. At this point, it’s like you have cancer. You can choose to do nothing (not vote) and let the cancer kill you, take chemo (vote for Romney) and hope for the best, or take a Bayer aspirin (vote third party) in a vain gesture of defiance of cancer ‘cuz neither of the first two choices are attractive.

    Except that a vote for Romney isn’t chemo — it’s more like a promise to cut your three-pack-a-day habit down to one pack a day. A step in the right direction, perhaps, but it still promotes more cancer.

    No, the way I see it, Washington is the cancer, and I’m the chemo. I aim to get rid of the most malignant tumors in Congress, and the shrink the overall mass of the thing down to something manageable. I’ll also be boosting the nation’s immune system in the states, to help fight against the tumors and any secondary infections that might crop up.

  60. Romney is going to win an electoral landslide, so it don’t matter anyway.

  61. Sorry, Lee. Didn’t mean to beat a dead horse.

  62. Romney is no savior — unless Mormonism is correct and he’ll one day be the God of his own universe — but in this universe he’s no savior.

    He’s the only guy running for president right now who I think is serious about the job and has a serious shot at getting it. He was nowhere near my first choice for 2012 but you know what? Back in 1980, neither was that old wrinkled guy who’d used to be an actor.

    Anybody who votes for presidential candidates expecting a savior should be deprived of the franchise, since they obviously fail the maturity test that the minimum voting age was supposed to be. This is about hiring some shlub to to do a job, and when the binder arrives with only a few resumes in it you either pick one of those or you re-bid the vacancy.

    Unfortunately our Constitution doesn’t give us the option of rejecting all the candidates and starting over.

  63. well i’m confused by all of this nailing MaryAnn and Ginger.

    Does taking Ginger out behind the hut in the dark = getting Obamacare repealed?

  64. Going more foward.

  65. It’s not dead Squid, just hounded to exhaustion. Poor thing…

  66. Nicely said McGehee.

  67. We already have a Savior and He is not on the ballot.

    I want a competent President and Obama is not him.

  68. “Does taking Ginger out behind the hut in the dark = getting Obamacare repealed?”

    I think that’s more of a coconut-radio thing. And of course patching the boat would be against the laws of thermodynamics.

  69. “Romney is no savior — unless Mormonism is correct and he’ll one day be the God of his own universe — but in this universe he’s no savior.”

    If you are a Quasi-Frumian centrist douchebag looking to get your old pre 2006/8 DC parking space back, he IS a kind of savior. For now. In theory.

  70. At least that’s what it says on Romney’s packaging. For now. In theory.

  71. If you are a Quasi-Frumian centrist douchebag looking to get your old pre 2006/8 DC parking space back, he IS a kind of savior.

    To which I reiterate:

    Anybody who votes for presidential candidates expecting a savior should be deprived of the franchise

    …and I don’t think anyone here would mind that.

  72. President Resignee Noddacrookie “screw South Vietnam” McFariness Doctrine -> President Unelected SALTY-Fall Down the Stairs -> President Sweater Malaise Stagflation Shah-fucker -> President Crazy Stupid Voodoo Actor Tax Cut -> President Tear Down This Wall oh wait Lebanaon-> President Read My Lips ->President Leftist Bubba-> President Rapey McCentrist Impeachius Perjurious Bubba Fake Surplussy the Great -> President Selected Not Elected-tard chicken hawk -> President Compassionate ‘Chimpy Mc Hitlerburton Shrub’ Conservative Cowboy who stepped on his own dick in the last six months -> President plastic ApoloJesus with a racist pastor, a tire gauge, and some death panels for the (old) kids -> President Screwy Weathervane and his Deluxe MBA from the Whitebread school (the campus of which is located in the garage that is located is in his elevator)?

    Hopefully ?

  73. “I shot Bin Laden, but I did not shoot his deputies.”

    —B. Hussein Obama

  74. Ford had the advantage of at least looking and acting like some shlub hired to do a job. Ironically, he wasn’t hired to do the job, at least not by the usual process.

    There may be a lesson in that.

  75. Jerry Ford gets a bum rap. He pardoned Nixon at the cost of his own career in politics for the greater good of the country.

    Chevy Chase can go to hell for portraying him as a stumbling fool.

  76. I think, if we manage to take the Senate and hold the House, Romney will repeal Obamacare. He pretty much has to in order to get the jobs he’s promised. I believe he knows his presidency will be judged on what happens with the economy, and the economy can’t recover under Obamacare.

    What he gives us in it’s place might not be pretty, but I suspect he is a federalist on the issue, and will let the states figure it out for themselves. All the feds need to do is guarantee interstate commerce of insurance, and tort reform.

  77. … tort reform.

    Tort reform isn’t a Federal issue, though. Every state has different laws and statutes. Texas has limited frivolous litigation in their state and in doing so has provided a template for the rest of us.

  78. I wouldn’t have a problem with a federal law, under the heading of equal justice under the law, that mandated a loser pays civil court throughout the nation.

    Wouldn’t severely curtailing frivolous lawsuits be in the interest of liberty in general and health care costs in particular? I’m no expert though.

  79. JHoward says October 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    For the survivors the fastest, least painful way back to land is living on a desert island indefinitely, RI Red?

    Jho, at the risk of pushing the analogy, I’d rather be on dry land than swimming in the North Atlantic. Indefinitely does not mean infinitely.

    Now can I go back to dreams of Mary Ann?

  80. I’d rather be on dry land than swimming in the North Atlantic.

    Swimming in the North Atlantic is not surviving.

  81. Lee, I see where you’re going with your idea. That said, I think the implications of letting the Feds get their grubby fingers on any more power is double-plus ungood.

    Look what nightmare the Commerce Clause has become. The damned thing is like kudzu; it’s everywhere and you can’t kill it.

  82. Tort reform isn’t a state issue in federal court. Federal court rules are subject to federal law.

    Tort reform at the federal level would go a long way, I do believe; it would also serve as an example to the states and open them to political pressure to follow suit.

  83. “I don’t think Romney is going to save us. He might be made to do the right thing with enough persuasion, but his nature is to think that government provides solutions to problems.”

    Romney is going to try to buy out the outlaw/tea party/angry independent/hard so-cons and when that doesn’t work he is going try to pour a pot of boiling ant poison on our mounds. The press will praise him when he does this. I have NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

    When he is done ruining the GOP unity once and for all, when we are all lying bruised in the same dry political ditch as the Birchers and talking about a real third party SERIOUSLY, the press will turn on Romney and fuck his ears with cosmic hate fire. They will blame him for the horrible state of the country no matter what the actual state of the country is.

    Even if the a miracle occurs, and unemployment is at 4% and the U6 is at 7% and the dollar is strong, and we have a budget surplus, and household income is up they will call him the worst president in history and he will probably respond by chasing them begging for their love for the rest of his political career.

    A lot of the tea party battle was set way back with the primaries though. Romney signed very little in terms of promises to what’s left of the GOP base, etch a sketch is clearly still in play, and his instincts are that we are off the reservation with that tea party stuff, and in need of a good spanking and time-out in our room away from the rest of the family. After he is elected of course. Right now he needs all the help he can get.

    I hope I’m wrong, but I think the dude is a weather vane who hates his own party and would LOVE an excuse to turn on them and I think he will be a classic sucker for the press no matter how stupid and rotten they get.

    But at least we’ll have a budget and a foreign policy of sorts for four years, and he has promised to fire Bernanke and stop the scrip presses. He’s already floated a repeal and replace the bad stuff while keeping the good stuff about AHC though. No one threw any real rocks at him. And they think he’s going to write opt outs for states anyway.

  84. Tort reform isn’t a state issue in federal court.

    That’s true, however there are agreat many suits that are brought that are not Federal. Hell, murder isn’t a federal crime, but kidnapping is. Go figure.

    Law is stupid. Right, Red?

  85. living on a desert island indefinitely, RI Red?

    – No, just until the sponsors won’t renew the show, in which approach I agree with Jeff. Not playing only works if you’re also not paying.

  86. Leigh, more like the following:

    “The law is an ass” originates in Charles Dickens’ Oliver Twist, when the character Mr. Bumble is informed that “the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction”.

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_'The_law_is_an_ass'#ixzz2AA0e1gOL

  87. Jho, re your 2:41, my point exactly. I’m hoping to survive any upcoming water-shed events (ha!). I’ll take Romney’s sand bar for the short term.

  88. Kidnapping is only federal if a state line is crossed, isn’t it? Kinda like how murder involving an employee of the Fed’ral Gubmint or on Fed’ral lan’ fall under the G-Man’s jurisdiction.

    And how many civil suits are Federal anyways?

  89. Tort reform doesn’t apply to criminal cases anyway, you guys.

  90. how many civil suits are Federal anyways?

    You might be surprised. Certainly the bulk of politically charged cases are federal.

  91. Can you give some examples, McGehee? (I really don’t know, I’m not trying to bust your butt or anything.)

  92. Certainly the bulk of politically charged cases are federal.
    Correct , McG, because one jurisdictional prerequisite is that a federal court suit involve a “federal question”, e.g. a federal statute like Obamacare. Another way to get in federal court is to have “diversity of citizenship”, i.e., plaintiff and defendants are from different states (plus a $75 grand amount in controversy).
    My Civil Procedure professor would be so proud.

  93. Can you give some examples, McGehee?

    Some cases that get to SCOTUS start in state courts, but the sheer volume and pervasiveness of federal law these days pretty much guarantees that most SCOTUS cases — which by definition stand an excellent chance of being politically charged — will originate in federal court.

    As for examples, I’m from the teach-a-man-to-fish school, so you can start here.

  94. I like our federalism, and would prefer to try starting with something that preserves it. If federal tort reform doesn’t begin a move toward tort reform in the states, then maybe I’d support a federal “loser pays” law that applies to states.

    But such a law would certainly be challenged. In federal court.

  95. Discouraging frivolous politically charged federal lawsuits would set a nice example in terms of how to keep the laws from being interpreted resignified into Wonderland…

  96. Ryan redux. Bean town goes all Chicago.

  97. My Civil Procedure professor would be so proud.

    Law school? If so, the fact you had to learn it there bothers me. I consider that to be, at the very most, advanced civics — which should be learned no later than undergrad general-ed.

    Intermediate civics should be covered by the end of sophomore year in high school.

  98. Of course, I believe the gist is in Article III of the Constitution, so — maybe basic civics.

  99. Jennifer Rivera-Ulwick blah blah bba blah blah bba

  100. The judge.

    Mmmm…don’t think so. She’s an Assistant Judicial Case Manager at Middlesex, not a Judge at Norfolk. Someone over at Radar has their facts scrambled. But I can assure you that both places are sewers.

  101. But I can assure you that both places are sewers.

    And Allred is the diseased sewer rat?

  102. So true, McG. By the time I’d finished with Uncle,Marriage and other Life Events and then went to law school, I’d forgotten a whole bunch of civics. Which aren’t even taught anymore.
    And it took a lot of post-law school experience to “get” the Constitution.
    Our youngsters have an uphill battle.

  103. The only law I ever learned about was CYA in Psychology and CYA in B-School.

  104. Everything I know about law I learned from novels, and TV dramas.

    Everything I know about lawyers I learned from Shakespeare.

    I’m well rounded that way…

  105. All law is about CYA. Hence, the need for tort reform. On a State level. You know, tenth amendment.

  106. See, Red? Here we are on the same page and I only waved at you on your way to the Law Library?

    How do you like that?

  107. Jho, re your 2:41, my point exactly. I’m hoping to survive any upcoming water-shed events (ha!). I’ll take Romney’s sand bar for the short term.

    I’d inverted your analogy, Red, where being picked up by rescue — in other words, surviving — what will probably be the collapse hung on Romney’s neck is vastly preferable to spending your days on the collective State’s desert island. At least if live free or die is still a principle.

  108. Jennifer Marie Rivera Ulwick of Winchester, the governor’s nominee for the Norfolk County Probate Court, has worked since 2000 as an assistant judicial case manager in the Middlesex County Probate and Family Court and has worked since 1009 in the probate court’s administrative office on uniform probate code implementation. Rivera practiced law in the late 1990s at the Boston firm of Packenham, Schmidt & Frederico and was a law clerk at the Probate and Family Court from 1995 to 1997.

  109. What’s the case Romney gave testimony in? I’m unfamiliar.

  110. Ah, so that is done. The Court needs to get its website together.

  111. Lee, no one seems to have anything on it, at least not that I’ve seen yet.

  112. Sorry, Jho, comm failure. The desert island is not the collective. It’s my little piece of NH or elsewhere, where I and mine wait out the death throes of the collective. With any luck, the little desert islands can rediscover/reunite.
    Mitt only gives us a little reprieve. O aims at the iceberg.

  113. bolton blasting baracky on greta

  114. effin’ greta blasting baracky on benghazi

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  116. Mitt Romney was heavily involved in the extremely messy divorce of one of his key supporters
    [...]
    The divorce was between Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg and his first wife Maureen. We’re told the divorce battle lasted for years and was extremely ugly.Sources tell us Romney gave both a deposition in the divorce and testified in the trial. According to our sources, the Boston Globe got a tip that there was “juicy information about Romney” in the sealed documents.

  117. May the blowback sink All-red, The Boston Globe and the entire Chicago wrecking-lives crew.

  118. Wonder what the Donald has for tomorrow?

    Boy, is this going to be an ugly two weeks or what?

  119. It’s kinda embarrassing America has become trash TV…

  120. Hey Old Texas Turkey dropped in :)

    What’s (been) up wit OTT?

  121. The Donald claims he has divorce documents between the Obamas from about 7 years into their marriage.

    Michelle is the petitioner.

    How do you like them apples, Allred?

    Maybe we’ll hear from Vera Baker again.

  122. Oh. I was thinking it had something to do with his SS#.

    Divorce filings huh? Good Lord. Trash TV…

  123. He’s a trashy person. I’d expect nothing more.

  124. That (divorce filing) goes along with a story I read somewhere (prolly here;) about Obama’s book partnership with Bill Ayers.

    Apparently Michelle didn’t like the working class lifestyle of a recent law school graduate that was only employable as a community organizer. Especially one that was not even disciplined enough to finish a book that he took an advance for.

  125. Yup. He was a lazy deadbeat and she can’t live within their means. They refinanced their condo they bought when the first got married THREE times, had maxed out all their credit cards and didn’t have a dime in equity when they sold it to move to the Rezko property in Hyde Park.

    No wonder he thinks the National Debt is no big deal. It’s a way of life to him.

  126. According to Ace this is the case that Allred is trying to get unsealed.

  127. Gah. Shut up Trump. Who’s side are you on? A near divorce is hardly worth talking about unless someone was photographed screwing german shepherds in a hot tub at some point. Barry’s a Dick, I can believe anyone married to him would get fed up at least once and lay down some ultimatum or other about reeling in the inner jack ass till the weekend.

  128. GOP nominees pack Red Rocks Amphitheatre to capacity

  129. So, if Allred is offering to peddle salacious gossip about a presidential candidate who happens to be a Republican —again— does that mean we can finally lay the demise of Herman Cain’s campaign at the feet of the Obama gang?

  130. He lied to them and will lie to other papers. Just different lies to each and that is why it can’t be shared.

  131. No, he only lies to the other papers. The one you work for? He’s telling the truth to that one. *Wink.*

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