April 29, 2012

Reflections on Dan #ItGetsBitter Savage [Dan Collins]

Years ago, when I still lived in Iowa City, there was a hip weekly publication of the sort that plagues all college towns, and part and parcel of this pile of posturing poo was Dan Savage’s column. So, I probably read it having a cup of bad coffee at the hipster douchebag cafe that allowed smoking, and in it were Savage’s sententions regarding heterosexual sex, which he characterized as unimaginative and uninspired, all ‘insert tab a into slot b’ and yadda yadda. I didn’t really care that Savage thought that heterosex was banal, but I was moved to email off a response, saying, hey, y’know, having sex with a woman is really a kind of interesting experience, not least because they think differently from us, etc. Naturally, I received no response, but then having read the piece I didn’t really expect to, anyway, and how’s someone else’s brand of sex supposed to be ‘relatable,’ in any case, right?

As one of my gay friends has pointed out to me, hetero seems as though it must be more challenging. For one thing, even on ladies’ night, a hetero guy walking into a bar is unlikely to be confronted by the prospect that everyone there is a potential sex partner, the way a gay guy might view whoever’s hanging about in a gay club (except for the fag hags like Coulter getting their friss on). Then there’s the strange dance of a woman’s psyche—Terpsichore in 4-inch heels—which can be a wild ride, should you try to hang on. Really, it’s almost as though their brains are fundamentally different from ours, and they have several of them, and they’re all working at once; or they have several personalities all vying with one another in that space of one brain, or however one prefers to think about it. God only knows what their motives are, because I’m not even sure that women are entirely aware of them, and Jeebus, do they ever have feelings. And never mind the lesbians, because they are pretty much like straight guys, only more so. The sociopolitical alliance between gay men and lesbians seems to me one of the strangest ever, as they have virtually nothing at all in common, except the rubric “gay.”

Anyway, Savage’s bizarre and deeply hateful tirade against an assembly of young journalists amounts merely to another PC mountebank’s ridiculous ‘love me, for I thoroughly despise you and all you represent’ moment. “Pansy asses”? Really? If I were casting a movie set in ancient Rome, I’d pick Savage for the character Pansias. His ilk are the kind who like to use ‘tea baggers’ as a form of put-down against their political opponents, then shriek hysterically whenever they’re confronted with anyone on the political right casting aspersions on anybody else’s sexual behaviors . . . or even tossing off an offhand observation regarding the quarters from which hysterical shrieking emanates.

Those kids who walked out of his harangue about bullying were right to do so. Back in the day, he used to rewrite the salutations of all his featured letters to read, “Hey, faggot!” It was all irony, you see, imputing to other people the rudeness that he imagined must animate their communiques, and it was cool to highlight that by imposing the rudeness on them while embracing his faggotude and being the reasonable though somewhat polemical victim. Now, “You’re Obsessed with My Sexuality, Which Is All I Think About All the Time” Boy can expect those salutations to read, “Hey, asshole,” which is all he ever was, anyway.

Is there anything more fundamentally boring than someone verbally jerking off about his sexual preference ad nauseam? If so, what is it? because to me it is not occurring.

While I’m on my morning rant, I might as well add dumbass activist Monica Novoa’s appearance on Bill O’Reilly to flounder about arguing that we should no longer characterize illegal immigrants as illegal immigrants:

This is the kind of twatwaffletry that drives Jeff nuts. Consider that the construction “illegal aliens” was a euphemism imposed on us in the first place by proggies and their journalistic allies. Later, they decided that that wasn’t nice, so it was supposed to be “undocumented workers.” Naturally, undocumented parasites on the US social welfare system was right out.

Fine. They don’t want to be called “illegal aliens,” and that’s raaaaacist? I’m going with “crimmigrants,” and I think you should consider it, too. And Dan Savage? He’s just Shit Dick from now on. That way, we can have charming conversations like this:

Shit Dick: “Screw you, Tea-Bagger!”
Tea-Bagger: “Go fuck yourself, Shit Dick!”

It’s all about elevating the discourse, see?

UPDATE: Thanks to Stacy and Roxanne for the links.

Posted by vermontaigne @ 7:13am
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Comments (265)

  1. Dan Thavage?

  2. His ilk are the kind who like to use ‘tea baggers’ as a form of put-down against their political opponents…

    …and then go lustily suck on some dude’s nutsack.

  3. Savage’s sententions regarding heterosexual sex, which he characterized as unimaginative and uninspired, all ‘insert tab a into slot b’ and yadda yadda.

    If I want to play with a dick, I have one. In fact, I never go anywhere without it. Likewise, an asshole. Ladybits, OTOH, are endlessly intriguing and eminently explorable. Hours and hours of fun.

  4. The tragic thing about Savage is that he almost certainly hates Christians with a thousand times more intensity than Christians hate him. Oh, to be sure there are truly hateful Christians out there, sadly. But in Savage’s mind the folks at Godhatesfags are the norm.

  5. Savage is an insect. Although I’ve noted that he has the support of Eric Holder.
    As to women. Yes, they are different. They think differently, have different perspectives and priorities.
    I think they are wonderful. I never get tired of them.

  6. “Bill O’Reilly Absolutely DESTROYS……”

    And that was no mean feat.

  7. And this Savage guy. Is he the kid that was on The Wonder Years?

  8. The “I” word? WTF?!?!?
    Not a big fan of O’Reilly, but he did good there.

  9. I rarely watch O’Reilly because he annoys me more often than not, but wow, he really exposed that racist shill.

  10. As usual, the left wants to change what we call something so we cannot properly deal with it. They want to continue to conflate illegal immigration with legal immigration, because they need the votes to maintain control. For now, anyway.

  11. I vote we change “Illegal Alien” to “Criminal Trespasser”, just to make sure it’s understood exactly what we mean, and how we really feel about it.
    And by ‘we’, I mean those of us left here that actually believe that sovereignty is more than just a spelling bee question.

  12. “. . . can expect those salutations to read, “Hey, asshole,” which is all he ever was, anyway.”

    May I suggest “Pipsqueakhole” instead, since asshole retains a measure of dignity Savage cannot?

  13. From the It Gets Better project, via Dan’s last link:

    Everyone deserves to be respected for who they are. I pledge to spread this message to my friends, family and neighbors. I’ll speak up against hate and intolerance whenever I see it, at school and at work.

    I may have enhanced that a lil’ bit.

  14. One way street, Pablo. One way.

  15. With all the Mexicans sneaking BACK into Mexico because of our economy, the Dems must feel pretty stupid about sticking all those Planned Parenthood clinics in the African-American neighborhoods. There goes the base…

  16. The JEA and NEA had this creature come out to lecture an auditorium full of high school kids and they knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him. If somebody’s dog pisses on your lawn, do you blame the dog for acting like a dog, or the owner for letting the dog get onto your lawn?

    I want to know more about these organizations. How they are funded, how much they really matter.

  17. Back in the day, he used to rewrite the salutations of all his featured letters to read, “Hey, faggot!” It was all irony, you see, imputing to other people the rudeness that he imagined must animate their communiques, and it was cool to highlight that by imposing the rudeness on them while embracing his faggotude and being the reasonable though somewhat polemical victim.

    He seems to be the exemplar of something I remember decribing in general more than nine years ago:

    I’ve noticed, however, that some gays are totally invested in the idea that all straight people hate them—and when mainstream society fails to oblige them with the expected nastiness, they spread around some nastiness of their own in hopes of provoking the reaction that will justify their hatred of straights. When mainstream acceptance of homosexuality begins to decline, I think these straight-bashers may be a big part of the reason why.

    There really are some things that can’t be legislated. You can’t pass a law that forces people to justify your hatred of them, for example. That’s only achievable through direct action. That’s what Dan Savage is after.

  18. The I-word. Really?!

  19. “The I-word. Really?!”

    Yes! Yes of course!

    Which is why I object quietly to myself every time I encounter a redaction of fuck as f**k (most frequently in the public press, but in online publications, blogs and their comments sections as well), or shit as sh*t, or nigger as n****r, or “n-word” etc. Corruption practiced yields more corruption in imitation. Better we should simply not play the game.

  20. I think it’s ok to say that there’s some stupid bullshit in the bible and I think the pansy-assed impulses of these bratty self-righteous whiners will not serve them well in Real Life.

  21. Savage is like Thor, or for that matter, Amanda Marcotte and Sandra Fluke from Georgetown Law, who had her pointless 15 minutes a few months ago.

    They think that talking in a certain graphic fashion about sex connotes some legitimacy upon their political views. I have found that countering that in an equally explicit, yet reasoned, fashion is beyond maddening to them.

    Thor used to brag about obtaining powerful orgasms with Russian escorts; I would point out given the physics of intercourse, the irritation of the glans from contact with the labia led to an inevitable release of seminal fluid. (That the women were paid to endure this is besides the point.) It conveyed no authority to him, and to the extent it was even true, lent him no creedence in Russian “affairs.”

    The same for Marcotte. I once posted in response to one of her interminable jeremiad’s about “The GOP’s war on women fucking,” calmly pointing out that if there was a war on the female experience of intercourse, it was an unusually unsuccessful one. I told her that she had her hymen severed in rural Texas and had been sexually active since then to no great legal effect, and, I supposed, at that very minute, there were tens of thousands of “womyn” and “suicide grrls” et al with their feet in the air, or on their knees and no one was interfering. I asked her if she could provide a little more detail since, as an investigative reporter, I felt there was a lot of glory to be had in sussing out the documents behind this war. It drove her orc legions nuts.

    The same goes for those decrying access to birth control. My local Harris Teeter sells a dozen kinds of condom’s, Femdom’s et al., to say nothing of lubes and those new Trojan personal pleasure devices. Any MD can and will write a script for the pill, the IUD has made a comeback and every city over 25,000 or so has a few MDs doing those long-term birth control implant things. Most of the above can widely be had for free or sharply reduced prices.

    Socially, a 21-year old virgin is seen in many corners as rarer than hen’s teeth, and likely a product of an ultra-religious upbringing.

    If that is a war, it is certainly cutting to their advantage.

  22. the pansy-assed impulses of these bratty self-righteous whiners will not serve them well in Real Life.

    I agree. We are both referring to Dan Savage, right?

  23. no you big silly but I am savaged out for today I have to do some shoppings and what have you

  24. Stay clear of those churches. They’re all out flinging Jesus cooties on Sunday you know.

  25. no they’re not flinging nothing but they do make it to where in some places you can’t park where you usually would, and one must be mindul of this as one goes about one’s errands of a Sunday

  26. I felt there was a lot of glory to be had in sussing out the documents behind this war. It drove her orc legions nuts.

    Ha! Oh I wish I had seen that one.

  27. Consider that the construction “illegal aliens” was a euphemism imposed on us in the first place by proggies and their journalistic allies. Later, they decided that that wasn’t nice, so it was supposed to be “undocumented workers.”

    I knew “undocumented worker” was a progg construct, but not “illegal aliens” . What was the classic term for people bypassing immigration law?

  28. “The I-word. Really?!”

    Idiot? Own it, Toots. You earned it.

  29. “stupid bullshit ” Everything you write falls into this catagory. What would you know about Real Life? ***Points and laughs***

  30. “What was the classic term for people bypassing immigration law?” You might call them what Mexican nationals call them “Illegales”. Illegals, pure and simple.

  31. I knew “undocumented worker” was a progg construct, but not “illegal aliens” . What was the classic term for people bypassing immigration law?

    Mexicans.

  32. for real life I know that if you’re starting adkins and you want the family-sized pollo loco deal you should wait til you have a coupon cause it’s already less of a good deal for you cause you can’t have any of the sides

  33. Try the frijoles. Them’s the good carbs.

  34. it think after the first two weeks you can do that – or you can pay extra and get the black beans, but they’re nothing special what you can’t do up at home

  35. *I* think after the first two weeks I mean

  36. Darleen and McGehee – He’s nothing if not predictable, huh”

  37. That came across as unserious Dan. A Mexican could be here legitimately(legally), a boatload of Chinese could unload illegally in San Fransisco.

  38. Obama prefers the not yet American citizens formulation.

  39. It’s fun to have this conversation while Obama’s economic policies are actually reversing immigration flows.

    Obama hates jobs, dogs, and Latinos. Or, maybe he just has an Ike Turner approach to love.

  40. Obama’s newly invented Yoga posture: Downward Trending Dog.

  41. Of course, maybe it’s not the economy. Maybe the Latinos are moving because the Democrats are actively promoting lynch mobs against their peoples.

    It’s hard to figure, really.

  42. Actually, motionview, Obama and Democrats prefer ‘Unregistered Democrats’. Who just need a little community organizing lubricants to get them properly doled and on the roles.

  43. Well, we’re back from the Cathedral. The Bishop has consecrated my youngest and he and his brand new soul are full-fledged members of the Catholic Church. Not only that, the Bishop in his homily, urged the new confirmants to let their ranking membership inform their lives with faith, love and glory unto the Lord.

    And then to go kick some faggot ass.

  44. I might have made that last part up. In fact I’m sure of it.

  45. That came across as unserious Dan. A Mexican could be here legitimately(legally), a boatload of Chinese could unload illegally in San Fransisco.

    Yes, I’m sorry. What did they used to call them? WOPS? Invaders? The whole thing about hyphenation became so divisive, we said let’s just say ‘Americans.’ Those here legally are ‘prospective Americans’ or ‘migrant workers.’ Mexican, in the old days, was a nationality. So, Romney’s great-grandforebears would have been Mexicans, had they been nationalized so, or Yankee interlopers, if not, or supernumerary Gringos.

    The conversation used to go something like this:

    “Them new people that moved in down the street seem nice. Are they Mexicans?”

    “Yep, Tijuana.”

    “Are they planning on sticking around?”

    “I dunno. The young fella has a job driving tractor for Bob Woods.”

    Back in those days, immigration laws were enforced, so you kind of assumed they’d gotten it all cleared with Uncle Sam, if they were around.

    But attaching even a country of origin got to be a dodgy proposition, so convinced were our liberal betters that any application of those tags by people without serious sociological brainwashing in handling explosive materials was a clear and present danger to Society at Large. First it was Hispanics (nobody speaks of Portuguesics, for why?), and Asians and Negroes/African Americans/blacks, and caucasians (dumbest name of the bunch). Then it was Whitey and People of Color, when that was convenient, and somewhere in the midst of all this the bureaucrats created “illegal aliens” to signify all and sundry who had come here and weren’t comporting with immigration law. At least it wasn’t vaguely racisty . . . but wait! it was! And now they don’t like the illegal part, and they don’t like the alien part, except that that’s exactly the kind of language to describe Americans in those foreign countries who don’t obey the laws of their hosts, and who are much more likely to be deported back to us than their counterparts here.

    And that’s what I mean by Mexicans, though as you can see there are a lot of other choices.

    Some Americans of Mexican extraction would like to go back to being Mexicans, while staying in parts of the US that were once parts of Mexico, and many of those people would like to expel the Yanqui. So, are they still Americans? Or does it apply aspirationally only when they want it to? None of them seem particularly interested in renouncing US citizenship for now, though, because that would be entirely too consistent and honest. Puerto Ricans . . . what makes them Americans? Mitt Romney, or the law? They have their separatists, too, and lots of Mexicans absolutely hate them.

    Mexicans themselves talk casually about indios and caballeros, darky, whitey, fatty, shorty, curly and all the rest among themselves. It’s only when they arrive here that it becomes a Big Issue.

    I was glib? That’s because I’m sick of this shit.

  46. We’re all sick of this shit, but we’re going to get more of it.

  47. the yanquis are taxing themselves out of mexifornia all by themselves

  48. leigh how was the cake?

  49. Oh. I only ask because “illegal alien” seemed to me like a logical and long standing legal term for a particular offense, more than a progg construct intended to manipulate the public, like “undocumented worker” is.

    So, if “Back in those days, immigration laws were enforced, so you kind of assumed they’d gotten it all cleared with Uncle Sam, if they were around” what did they call those, on whom immigration laws were enforced, if not “illegal aliens”?

  50. Ya know, there was no cake! What heathens. There were sandwiches and icky sweet pickles, but we didn’t stick around and eat any of it. I’m grilling rib-eyes tonight to celebrate and we’ll have strawberry shortcake.

    This wednesday we are having cake at our home church. I’ll report on it then.

  51. enjoy your tasty shortcakes that reminds me I tried this which is a lot like the glaze a lot of people use for their shortcakes except omg is it foul

    could not eat

  52. That fruit spread is nasty. If you’re doing no carbs, buy the diatetic jam or jelly. My grandma used to get it and it wasn’t too bad.

  53. Mexicans themselves talk casually about indios and caballeros, darky, whitey, fatty, shorty, curly and all the rest among themselves. It’s only when they arrive here that it becomes a Big Issue.

    I was glib? That’s because I’m sick of this shit.

    Indeed. Having grown up on the border, I can confirm that Mexican culture is far less tolerant than “Anglo” culture.

    And I too loved seeing O-Reilly destroy that “I-word” idiot.

  54. Mexicans in American are a rather insular intolerant bunch. Not very PC and they don’t care.

    Mexican-Americans doing the work that Americans won’t do.

  55. i will look for it later but at first I don’t get to have anything I can put it on

  56. OT, I’ve been out of the loop for awhile (stupid real life!) but has everyone seen this by VDH on race relations? Awesome! I could have written this (if I was smarter, better educated and a much better writer).

    The question is, how do we break out of the stalemate?

    And break out we must, if we’re to not just counter the lefts insidious poisoning through balkanization, but healing through unification as Americans.

    It’s a stumper.

  57. LBascom: it is a logical and longstanding legal term; it’s just that the journalists decided that it must be foisted on the citizenry, and that imposition was required because they didn’t want the peasants handling these weighty matters in their vernacular.

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  59. I’m less concerned with the fact that Savage is gay than I am that he is an obnoxious rabble rouser who wants to virtually criminalize not being an avid supporter of whatever authoritarian leftist stupidity he thinks is a remedy for a society that is largely unconcerned with him being gay.

    And to those insipid ridiculous people who actually try to equate “a mandatory enthusiastic support of an obnoxious disruptive gay activist agenda” with “civil tolerance of people with homosexual desires”…I cannot begin to adequately convey the immensity of my utter contempt for you.

    I don’t want violence or discrimination against homosexuals. That’s the only position I am willing to support. Beating up a gay person (false or authentic or whatever the hell) is wrong for exactly the same reason that beating up a heterosexual person is. It is not more wrong. Beating up people is wrong. And, it’s already totally fucking illegal in case you were unaware. So in terms of this issue, we’re done here. Enforce the law. Punish those who beat others up.

    Beyond that I don’t care who is gay or not or why and I do not support demands for ANY new rights, or special legal protection protections, or affirmative actions, or construction of special interest oriented social institutions, or speech codes, or magic laws that treat “groups” differently, or any of that garbage.

    I don’t hate homosexuals, but I do absolutely hate the gay political activist movement and their destructive, self righteous, bigoted idiocy that tries to describe them almost as a separate species that is being hunted to extinction. Same goes for most types of leftist activists.

    I refuse to be ordered to be deferential to their interests as they shift and morph and grow into oppression of me and anyone that movement decides makes a good scapegoat. I am sick of being routinely bullied and condemned as an evil genocidal cartoon by opportunistic reptilian eyed scammers and grievance hustlers who sound a great deal more like the great genocides of history than I ever will. I am tired of them publicly fantasizing about the systematic isolation, robbing, reeducation, confinement, and or destruction of anyone who will not kowtow to them with a sufficiently obsequious or breathless feigned display of fervor.

    As to the actual population of practitioners of homosexual behavior and those with homosexual preferences and desires in all their forms, whether the result of nature, or nurture, or pathology, or open mindedness or whatever… I very strongly doubt most of them would ever qualify as “authentically gay” if examined by the eye of the new inquisitorial class. I suspect that most of them would end up with a utopian boot in their face for eternity same as me.

    As always the leftist goal is power and the professed issue is a merely a convenient means to reaching for it. It is merely a conceptual nucleus around which an angry crowd might be formed to campaign for some increasingly expensive redress of a perceived grievance. It has nothing to do with justice. It is entirely about oppression, intimidation, division of any potential enemies, shakedowns, and looting.

  60. Ultimately the goal of a Dan Savage is to get EVEN MORE people beat up and discriminated against, not fewer.

  61. this didn’t have to be dan savage this could’ve happened to *anyone* what said that the parts of the bible what condemn gay people are bullshit, but that doesn’t mean they should let christian teens intimidate them from speaking out about it just means maybe next time they should have more better concrete examples … cause Jenny Patterson’s inane babblings suggest that christian teens don’t parse arguments very well they sorta just hear what they wanna hear

  62. The more I read about Savage, the more I’m convinced his obituary involves substance abuse, a seedy hotel room and a self-inflicted gunshot wound. His current trajectory, coupled with his demand for adulation, means grim times when the spotlight shuts off. As it inevitably will.

  63. You expect depth from teens, happy? You dreamer, you.

  64. Teens typically don’t parse arguments well. Nor do many adults. And some are better with some arguments than others. To further complicate matters, people often tend to frame aspects of their arguments* unclearly.

    *Especially when they are grievance hustling and trying to rile up a crowd instead of have a useful reasoned informed debate to seek the truth.

  65. this could’ve happened to *anyone* what said that the parts of the bible what condemn gay people are bullshit, but that doesn’t mean they should let christian teens intimidate them from speaking out about it

    Kinda like when anyone that says parts of the constitution are bullshit, but still, they shouldn’t be condemned by NRA members what think a person has a right to self defense, or intimidated by those busybodys clinging to the second amendment. get with the times people!

  66. I can’t believe this is still a topic of conversation. Happyfeet is so ill-equipped to argue with intelligent and rational people that, somehow, he makes me think things I don’t actually think because he talks me out of agreeing with him. Good Lord, shut the fuck up already.

  67. You expect depth from teens, happy? You dreamer, you.

    that is a good point – i would settle for honesty and, for all I know most of the kids were honest injun about what had happened there

  68. I can’t believe this is still a topic of conversation.

    this is a new post Mr. Froman not same as the other one! – this one doesn’t really have the faux-ironic bullying angle the other post had, which I like cause of I thought that was very tendentious, to suggest that Mr. Dan had bullied anyone

  69. Attacking or defending Dan Savage’s logos is silly.

    Dan Savage made this rhetoric about Dan Savage (ethos) and the injustice that must be confronted if we are to live in a fair just world!(pathos).

    The logos was just a prop. When you go to see Carrot tTop the important part is that 1.) he’s Carrot Top, and being Carrot Toppy. 2.) he’s trying to mess with you to keep your interest. What props he actually brought that night for that particular show hardly matter. The point is you traveled and paid to see Carrot Top and he was just messing with you.

    So it is with Dan Savage. He’s not there to make an argument about something in the bible. He’s there to wave it in your face like a red cloth in front of a bull. And he has the right to be there waving that cloth because he’s got a dang ol’ grievance! and you got some money and time and you probably don’t want to be compared to an evil redneck nazi thing.

  70. to suggest that Mr. Dan had bullied anyone

    google santorum

  71. Especially when they are grievance hustling and trying to rile up a crowd

    I think Jenny and Dan can go toe-to-toe in this respect, but for this round it’s Jenny P what seems to have had more success with the riling up and fostering an outraged sense of grievance amongst her target audience.

  72. He’s there to wave it in your face like a red cloth in front of a bull.

    I think this is the sort of constructive criticism Mr. Savage could a lot benefit from hearing.

  73. It’s sort of evening now. It might could be a perfect time to unwind on one of your leopard skin bar stools and enjoy a fruity drink what hides the taste of liquor.

  74. fruity = carbs Mr. Froman

  75. but I think I could do a mango-infused vodka martini later

  76. ” I think this is the sort of constructive criticism Mr. Savage could a lot benefit from hearing.”

    Polite Man: Mr. Savage if you don’t do the thing you obviously came here to do and instead initiate a calm friendly debate in good faith about this narrow topic then you might be more persuasive…

    Savage: Where’s the money and power in that? Fool! You have to take the struggle right to some Jesus-tard fag basher’s grill! People like you are holding us back? Where’s the fire in your eyes? I can’t fight this war with your little post it notes with hearts on ‘em!

    Except Dan Savage is going to scale any confrontation down by picking the right target.

    He’ll yell about those goddamn bikers who think they are above the law and then he’ll start a fight with a short fat kid on a mo-ped in a C-3PO t-shirt. Take that bikers! We’re coming for you! (find me more wimps on mo-peds and then we’ll see if we can take a skinny guy on a scooter!)

  77. i wish we could hear the whole speech and get a better sense of how far into it we were when we bot to the bible bits, plus I’d like to know exactly what he said about the other Mr. Savage

  78. *got* to the bible bits I mean

  79. The topic of Savage’s talk was (I think) “On the Edge” or something to that effect.

    In 2012 + 4 full months, what could possibly be “edgy” about talking about gays? If this were 1962, now you’re talking edgy. But now? Movies, books, television, talk radio, et al have been celebrating how superior the homosexuals are to all of us who live life the old fashioned way. History has been rewritten to show a gay sub-text to any and all persons of reknown. Abe Lincoln? Shakespeare? Milton? Da Vinci? Get serious.

  80. the savage pervert might try persuasion instead of a kick in the groin.

  81. leigh i found the pdf of the program for the conference – it wouldn’t let me copy stuff out of it – but where they talked about Mr. Dan’s keynote they mostly just did a bio of him, and put a lot of emphasis on the “it gets better” parts of his bio – they didn’t really say what he was gonna talk about – the On The Edge thing was sorta the theme for the whole conference

  82. 1962, now you’re talking edgy. But now?

    the fagleft is just another part of the proggtard/alinsky™ faction

  83. I think Jenny and Dan can go toe-to-toe in this respect, but for this round it’s Jenny P what seems to have had more success with the riling up and fostering an outraged sense of grievance amongst her target audience.

    So, you’re sticking with the idea a HS girl attending a class is really a savvy political operative akin to Ms. Fluke. That’s your argument?

    Ok, never mind. I’ll stick to my idea that arguing with you is like banging your head against a large stone. You can carry on without me…

  84. to be a savvy political operative all you need is to get your ass to a microphone, be willing to lie, and find some sympathetic press what will carry your water

    done and done

    that’s all slutty slutty fluke did

  85. This:

    Happyfeet is so ill-equipped to argue with intelligent and rational people that, somehow, he makes me think things I don’t actually think because he talks me out of agreeing with him.

    And this:

    Polite Man: Mr. Savage if you don’t do the thing you obviously came here to do and instead initiate a calm friendly debate in good faith about this narrow topic then you might be more persuasive…

    There’s something there.

    The gay rights movement has made incredible gains in a relatively short amount of time. It’s hard to find anyone my age that even sees much of an issue to fight about. And, unfortunately, I’m not even particularly young anymore. Younger people practically feel they’re hate mongers if they’re not willing to bang a dude out at the rest stop.

    So why this need from some to be perpetual dickheads when that’s not part of the proven winning method?

    If this is to be a fight between Christians and gays all it does is trigger a tribal response in the ol’ brainpan. And, guess what? Just about everyone in America knows and likes more Christians than gays. It’s a retarded technique.

    It makes me think of nishi. Her main skill was making sure that people didn’t agree with her. She was objectively anti-nishi.

    I’ll say the same about Savage. He’s objectively anti-gay.

  86. Shelby has on a thong. Dan Savage swoons.

  87. Mr. bh christers are spending money and organizing to delimit the rights of gay people – they’re very hateful, some of them – they want to amend the goddamn constitution even!

    egads!

    but the long and short of it is their tribal response is already a lot triggered, and it’s sure not my fault – christian bigotry against gay people is as unchristian as it is unacceptable, and that’s what Mr. Savage was saying no matter what some offended twit would have us think

  88. Thing is, he’s consumed with hatred, nr. He’s incapable of that.

  89. Following Christian religious tenets is unchristian?

  90. i don’t think discriminating against gay people is a christian tenet Mr. JD I think it’s plain old bigotry

  91. this is not a recent epiphany either Mr. JD I’ve actually held this view for some time now

  92. , and that’s what Mr. Savage was saying

    I got a completely different message from Mr Dan.

  93. So Christian religions are UN-Christian?

  94. you’re not alone Mr. JD I think a lot of people were put off by Mr. Dan’s speech

  95. what he said about the other Mr. Savage

    I don’t think he mentioned his father in his ramblings.

  96. Mr. bh christers are spending money and organizing to delimit the rights of gay people – they’re very hateful, some of them – they want to amend the goddamn constitution even!

    So that the status quo regarding marriage is maintained? How fucking hateful is that? But I suppose that when it comes to hate I should defer to the expert.

    Tell me, do I have to let you fuck me in the ass to avoid being hateful? Can’t I just let you blow me?

  97. So Christian religions are UN-Christian?

    they’re human institutions they’re not infallible Mr. JD

    they’ve made some epic blunders in the past, these religions

    but sooner or later they usually seem to get their act together eventually

  98. Never mind. I love you to death, yet you are unwilling to discuss these matters in good faith with people, even people that would be inclined to agree with you, in general.

  99. i don’t think discriminating against gay people is a christian tenet Mr. JD I think it’s plain old bigotry

    darwin discriminates against gay peeps and the secularists are very fond of his theories.

  100. Her main skill was making sure that people didn’t agree with her.

    Yes, the self loathing was, and is all too apparent.

    It’s also tiresome and boring – people who like the smell of their own farts doesn’t begin to encompass their pathology. Can’t even care enough anymore to feel sad for them.

  101. i love you more than beans and I acknowledge that I am inflexible in certain of these matters

    I have a goal!

    I want my friend P to get married for so someone is there to take care of him in case i die or move away

    he’s very bright but he has dyslexia and sometimes he gets overwhelmed and mundane things can blow up on him if you don’t sorta help him through

  102. Still trying to engage the electric gerbil? Hope twitches eternal.

  103. If you care enough you wont move away.

    Otherwise, you just don’t care enough.

    Kinda simple like that isn’t it?

  104. christian bigotry against gay people is as unchristian as it is unacceptable

    That’s what all the Christians I know think, as well.

    What I’d like to know is what does any of the undocumented gay bashing that Savage keeps referring to have to do with journalism? He’s billed elsewhere as a “former journalist” and with good reason, I’m thinking. Running off at the mouth to a captive audience about a subject that was not part of the format is unprofessional at best and false advertising at worst.

    I’d have got up and left as well because he was wasting my time as a listener. I would also, as bh suggested last night, contacted whomever had put together the panel for this event and decided that a loose cannon like Savage was just the right guy to talk to a group of teenagers about a subject that only he and a handful of others give two shits about—since 1970.

  105. If you care enough you wont move away.

    Otherwise, you just don’t care enough.

    Caring is wanting to make the gubmint make everybody else take care of your caring for you. So you don’t have to worry. Charity works the same way.

  106. I want my friend P to get married for so someone is there to take care of him in case i die or move away

    He can marry someone of the opposite sex or draw up a legal contract, with medical power of attorney, etc, with any one or number of others – be they blood relatives or friends.

    Doesn’t mean one has to radically redefine a public institution to fit his, or yours, needs.

    Grow up.

  107. Mr. D i could die at any second this one guy choked to death at Gelson’s the other day!

    sampling some god knows what one percenter morsel

  108. no Darleen he deserves a for reals marriage I think – he’s dating this ex-mossad guy now what would be really ideal cause of he’s very responsible

  109. What I’d like to know is what does any of the undocumented gay bashing that Savage keeps referring to have to do with journalism?

    I really wonder what was in the parts of the speech we missed – maybe he at least had an anecdote

  110. to be a savvy political operative all you need is to get your ass to a microphone, be willing to lie, and find some sympathetic press what will carry your water

    done and done

    Yes! preconceived, and flawlessly executed. Watch out! I see a new Sarah Palin on the horizon!

  111. Ow…my head hurts.

  112. no Darleen he deserves a for reals marriage I think

    Then find him a suitable woman.

  113. he deserves a for reals marriage

    Then he needs to pick a consenting adult of the opposite sex who isn’t a blood relative closer than 2nd cousin.

    Otherwise, he’ll need to make private arrangements.

    There’s lots of people who “deserve” to join any number of limited, public institutions – e.g. the military – who don’t qualify.

    Adults realize this. Others, not so much.

  114. he doesn’t like women is the problem Pablo

  115. The Church is also sorta vocal about their opinion that the vast majority of sex I’ve had is also sinful and directs one straight to hell.

    How have I managed to avoid haranguing high school students through all that provocation? Honestly, it didn’t even feel like a struggle. Maybe it has something to do with my general rule about not talking to high school kids about what happens after last call.

    (My apologies to any high school kids who might be reading this. Don’t do drugs. Stay in school. Wait for marriage.)

  116. Mr. bh you need to repent

  117. oh… please add … consenting adult of the opposite sex who isn’t already married

    See how hatey legal marriage is against the polyamorous?

  118. he doesn’t like women

    Best then that he doesn’t marry. That would be a horrible mistake.

  119. I’d have got up and left as well because he was wasting my time as a listener. I would also, as bh suggested last night, contacted whomever had put together the panel for this event and decided that a loose cannon like Savage was just the right guy to talk to a group of teenagers about a subject that only he and a handful of others give two shits about—since 1970.

    Credit where it’s due, that was Wm Sherman and ThomasD, I think. I agree though.

  120. he doesn’t like women is the his, not the State’s, problem

    FTFY

  121. Even my own kids don’t get to hear about all the cool things I did when I was a young, unmarried lady. It’s none of their business and certainly not something to share with strangers.

  122. he doesn’t like women is the problem Pablo

    So, marriage is out then, woman being a necessary component thereof. Why does he deserve it, exactly? Why does he want it?

  123. Ah, I thought it was you. Well, since we’re all agreed: Meeting adjourned!

  124. Does he want to be a woman? Maybe you could make that happen.

  125. Sherman hit the nail on the head. I was just cleaning up.

    Every one of those kids at that harangue was there with some sort of school representative, either a teacher or a chaperone. Someone back home needs to ask them, on camera, what they thought of the event, the subsequent controversy, and whether they plan to take any students back next year. Ditto for their respective principles and school board members.

    Take the blowback as far up the food chain as possible.

    They want to have a conversation, lets have a conversation.

  126. he doesn’t like women is the problem Pablo

    no the problem is loud mouth proggtardfags spurned on by a proggtard media telling the country 24/7/365 the fag culture is de best and you loser christianist should shut and take up the ass about gay “marriage”. this was about bullying i think.

  127. Mr. bh you need to repent

    I probably do. But, simply getting older has been surprisingly effective at reducing those things I should maybe think about repenting over.

    In another decade I might be a saint.

  128. So why this need from some to be perpetual dickheads when that’s not part of the proven winning method?

    My answer is here.

  129. yeah for me repenting mostly means avoiding carbs anymore

  130. I didn’t note it in my comment but that actually was in my mind, Geoff.

  131. If your friend, the mysterious P, is such a lost lamb, he should look into getting himself a companion. He could live his own version of an old Victorian novel.

  132. he lives a novel alright but it’s more 50 shades of something

  133. Darleen says April 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Darleen wins the thread.

  134. Happy feet is on message for Happyfeet. He’s trying to get to that message from anything aimed at Dan Savage. Over and Over. We are discussing Dan Savage. He’s trying to move that to “fighting discrimination against gay people” whatever the hell that means this week in “War on Women” style hyperbole speak, and he’s calling Christian’s “Christers” because that’s cutely provocative but not beyond the pale or some shit. Whatever. Gayers, lefters, greeners, femmos, borties, poorzies, living wagies, protec-shunners …ha ha hah. Same old shit.

    He blows the “shrill and unhelpful” whistle anytime someone goes after Savage’s character and MO. He keeps trying to steering it back to his being a good puppy who doesn’t like discrimination as if that’s some rare a precious light only he can shine into the void of confrontational politics.

    Supposedly that makes Savage okay but merely misguided because he’s so emotionally invested in his wonderful cause. Bullshit. He’s a creep. He’s just another ranting riot builder trying to boil another pot for profit and prestige.

    Seeing what Savage is actually up to and calling him on it is not being pro discrimination in any real sense.

    Neither is refusing to cede some special protected identity legal status for people merely because they claim to have something in common that might be of temporary political utility for the left. The left doesn’t care about homosexuals. Or blacks. Or the poor. Or any of their little sectors of social revisionist activity. It cares about using them to bulk out their crowd. For now. Once the revolution feels it doesn’t doesn’t need them anymore then they can be sent right back to being faceless units of society that have no rights save the right to silently participate willingly or unwillingly in the schemes of their self selected betters.

    I’m here primarily to respond to Savage’s nonsense remind people of his ultimate goals and how his audience and patrons are just another branch of the grievance mob trying to win prizes and cow observers into compliance along the way.

    Snowball and Napolean are among us.

  135. That was an excellent observation in your comment, geoffb.

    Stereotyping is something everyone does, good or bad. It’s a mental time-saver in most cases or we’d spend endless amounts of time weighing all the variables in any given situation. Generally, it’s not done in a bad way. Sadly, idiots like Savage are reinforcing all the bad variables instead of showing his warm and cuddly side. Which I, personally, don’t think he has. A cold, scaly, reptilian side, sure.

  136. I want something I think is beneficial for X. Society must provide it or they suck and have declared war on me and X.

  137. that’s very reductionary Mr. palaeieio

  138. To put it another way: beware: the stick with a string hanging from it on the front of the plow is not there to feed hungry mules carrots.

    When you are “represented” by a leftist social advocacy interest group you aren’t the customer. You are the product.

  139. “that’s very reductionary Mr. palaeieio”

    And?

  140. And?

    Don’t. Just… don’t.

  141. Supposedly that makes Savage okay but merely misguided because he’s so emotionally invested in his wonderful cause. Bullshit. He’s a creep.

    Point of order. He’s a rabid, card carrying degenerate. QED, etc.

  142. Supposedly that makes Savage okay but merely misguided because he’s so emotionally invested in his wonderful cause. Bullshit. He’s a creep. He’s just another ranting riot builder trying to boil another pot for profit and prestige.

    Bingo–the gay Sharpton. Making civil society a little nastier and less free with each bit of poisonous narcissism.

  143. here is a song about God and the importance of religious faith from big gay sam

  144. But I will say this for Savage–at least he’s an open hater. None of this “why can’t we all get along” happyclappy crap for him.

  145. here is a song about God and the importance of religious faith from big gay sam

    and?

  146. dan savage – the lavender sharpton- the transgendered sara fluke-the mother sheehan of mfers

  147. dan savage – the lavender sharpton

    Who’s the lavender Tawana Brawley?

  148. jason matera go ax rev al if he’ll switch with dan for a while: diversity!!11!!

  149. Mr. happyfeet, Mr. Dan is a hate-filled jackass with fascistic delusions of grandeur, who thinks that people are obliged to sit quietly while he projects all his hateitude onto them, and he’s made a career of it. Fuck him.

  150. and here is another song about the importance of faith and how it helps you live more better

  151. Who’s the lavender Tawana Brawley?

    who knows it is all the same gig but different venues

  152. nobody has to love Dan Savage I don’t think just I think there are better reason to hate him than for his speech which didn’t seem like a big hairy scandal really and I think the aggrieved christian children over-reacted a wee bit

    there was just real need for a bunch of drama

  153. i wanna see ms maxine waters goes and socialize some gay marriage. diversity peeps.

  154. *no* real need for a bunch of drama I mean

  155. ” Who’s the lavender Tawana Brawley?”

    I’m a bit more concerned about who the lavender Freddy’s Fashion Mart will turn out to be.

  156. better *reasons* sorry I took my pills early

  157. which didn’t seem like a big hairy scandal really

    mr dan could have been in dearborn mi this week end telling muslims not to drop the gays off of buildings. oh noes bullying peeps that will do that.

  158. Yeah, Dan Savage created the drama. It’s what he does.

    He’s a rude, pompous, self-obsessed jackass.

  159. the number of people what were all butthurt was tiny compared to the number of people what stayed for the whole speech I think

    maybe a dozen or so is all what walked out

  160. Maybe more wanted to walk out but they saw how mean the gay meanie was to the first people what walked out so they stayed. It happened to me at Blue Man Group. I was scared of their cruelty if I got up to take a piss. So I didn’t piss.

  161. Who’s the lavender Tawana Brawley?

    My money’s on happyfeet.

  162. Uh huh. And wasn’t it uncalled for, their getting up and leaving because he was being a pompous, haranguing, self-righteous, insulting douchebag? The first obligation falls on the speaker, not the audience.

    He’s the kind of guy who gives cocksuckers a bad name.

  163. He’s the kind of guy who gives cocksuckers a bad name.

    Hey! I said that yesterday!

  164. They walked, and he couldn’t handle it? Seriously, he’s in with people who instruct audiences to heckle and shout down speakers whom they disagree with.

  165. ” mr dan could have been in dearborn mi this week end telling muslims not to drop the gays off of buildings. oh noes bullying peeps that will do that.”

    Nope. You fight the actual scary bikers by beating on the fat nerdy kids on mo-peds. If you confront the actual bikers directly they’ll make a necklace from your lower jaw and use it to open beers. But the fat kids just cry and say how sorry they are. It works much better when you restrict your retaliation against the people you aren’t actually mad at that you can handle.

  166. Sorry, leigh. I should read comments more thoroughly.

  167. he’s in with people who instruct audiences to heckle and shout down speakers whom they disagree with.

    different local same union. go lavender seiuearthfistccbnaacp et al

  168. oh and dan’s a faggot fluke’s a slut and mother sheehan is a deranged loser.

  169. Heh.

    It’s okay, Dan Great minds think alike.

  170. “seiuearthfistccbnaacp ”

    earthfist! I like it!

  171. we shall mock them fight on the seas and oceans, we shall mock them fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall mock them fight on the beaches, we shall mock them fight on the landing grounds, we shall mock them fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall mock them fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,

  172. It’s weird, I suppose, that there has never been more tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality than there is now yet there has never been more of a stink about it than now.

    Tolerance and acceptance isn’t enough, nor, I suspect is approval.

    I’m not sure what we are arguing about. HappyFeet, Dan Savage and Amanda Marcotte got 85% of what they want. Honestly, I think it’s been there for a long time.

  173. , I suspect is approval.

    nah just another path to linguistic power

  174. Savage and other “leaders” of identity groups are like the EPA. If they ever really proclaim they’ve solved what they are in business to solve then the power goes away.

    They will work harder and harder to count all the angels on the head of a pin and each recount costs more and more.

  175. here’s how a “dan savage” is done:

    We are hopeful that by the end of the day today we will have been able to complete at least part 1 in the network of Julison Communications and their attachments to Team Crump, Natalie Jackson, the race-baiting industrialists including Sharpton, Jackson, Jealous et al, along with deep-rooted connections to the Congressional Black Caucus, and Black Civil Rights Leaders…… INCLUDING THE PIGFORD CASE AND PAYOFFS which leads a significant trail up to the doors of the White House and Eric Holder (by way of associations to spouse and former sister-in-law Vivian Malone-Jones).

    See how tangled? Oh, it gets deeper….. much deeper

    link

  176. i decided to go cranberry instead of mango

  177. i decided to go cranberry

    better red than dead

  178. Newrouter don’t waste time with no mixers.

  179. “Grievance Comittee will address your grievance in the order in which it was received. Do to unusually high call volume, your wait time is approximately 2 hours and 30 minutes. Please hold or call back during our regular business hours.”

  180. Oh, shit.

    I forgot to congratulate you on your son’s confirmation, leigh. What name did he take?

  181. Malachi from Children of the Corn is the best possible answer, btw.

  182. I remember watching that movie alone in the house at night, with the wind making tree branches smack against the windows, and being kind of freaked out. You know, not like my pansy 5 yr old brother who had to sleep with a light on because of the flying monkeys in The Wizard of Oz, a really tough macho teenager kind of freaked out.

  183. Dominic. Patron of astronomers (his goal when he heads off to college) and the dude behind the Rosary, as well as the Inquisitions before he was succeeded by Torquemada.

  184. Astronomy? I hope he learns a trade as well.

  185. like my pansy 5 yr old brother who had to sleep with a light on because of the flying monkeys in The Wizard of Oz

    please dan savage never did that

  186. He’s a kid. 15. I expect him to change his mind a couple hundred times between now and then.

    Bh, he goes to school with a kid named Malachi. I knew it rang a bell.

  187. I think I just used my middle name.

    I was kind of interested in Astronomy, until I took an intro course and learned that the moon isn’t made of green cheese and math-based studies aren’t really want you want out of your electives.

  188. err … what you want out of your electives.

  189. I saw that movie at a young enough age that I thought it was about a group of nice, God-fearing kids defending themselves against nosy adult interlopers, Abe.

    Cheers, leigh.

  190. I think the idea of four years of physics and calculus will drive a stake through that dream. His brother’s roomie works at NOAA and all he took for four years was Meterology.

  191. Thanks, bh!

  192. My best friend actually went with Saint Malachy but we all knew he meant the kid from the movie. I went with Patrick because that’s what all shanty Irish kids do.

  193. OT: Anyone see the LA Clippers-Memphis Grizzlies game? What a comeback!

  194. My confirmation name was Mark. Hard to believe that was 22 years ago…

  195. What’s wrong with physics and calculus? That shit is awesome. Also, as a mechanical engineering student, that’s about all I did, though more vector calculus and less physics since we didn’t need to know particle physics or non-Newtonian mechanics. I also majored in math because it didn’t take much more to get the other degree.

    People avoiding the hard sciences is one reason this country is going down the tubes.

    I eventually got into computer science and now I flip bits for my supper.

  196. Who’s the lavender Tawana Brawley?

    pucefoot

  197. Mine was Catherine. Me and all the other girls who didn’t pick Mary because they were named Mary.

  198. He’s good at math, but I don’t know if he’s that good, cranky. Time will tell.

  199. I think the idea of four years of physics and calculus will drive a stake through that dream.

    no don’t do that. have them read first this and then decide:

    A Tour of the Calculus

  200. My next door neighbor growing up is now an Astrophysicist. He mostly resides on Planet Theodore, but he was on Earth long enough to do the perfectly normal thing that is taking your wife’s name in a cute hyphenated melange. Their dinner table must be a hoot.

  201. I think the idea of four years of physics and calculus will drive a stake through that dream.

    4 years of sum of that stuff and 50% marxists bs

  202. I don’t believe there is a correlation between being an astrophysicist and being a huge pussy, though likely they are often dreamers.

  203. i hear mooning your customer’s is all the rage.

  204. I think we might be fairly close in age, Mike. Must have been around 21 years ago for me.

    I wasn’t 15 though like our new friend, Dominic. Must have been 17 or 18. 17, I think.

  205. Yes, I think we might be, bh. I was 15 when I was confirmed. My 37th birthday was last Wednesday.

  206. He’s not a pussy, Cranky. Just more Vulcan than human. I don’t think he missed his prom so much as it never occured to him that there was one. Venus and Mars were clearly visible to the naked eye that night.

  207. There we go then. Yeah, I’m 38.

  208. it is amusing to watch the titanic go down. more icebergs no?

  209. People avoiding the hard sciences is one reason this country is going down the tubes.

    I agree with that.

    It’s not for everyone* but it is for plenty of people who haven’t been exposed to it or didn’t stick it out for long enough to find something interesting to grab onto.

    *Wasn’t for me either, the actual sciences, but there are other jobs that pay pretty well if you take the math classes.

  210. That second sentence/paragraph could be better written. Please imagine it was.

  211. 38? Damn kids.

  212. I’ll be 48 in a little more than a month. Sniff.

  213. Just for the record, we’ve now established that Mike is the young pup.

    I’m far older and wiser. A wily veteran, if you will.

  214. 61 yesterday. carry on yoots

  215. 64 in about a month.

  216. 64? No one gets that old.

  217. That was actually a callback from a peanuts cartoon I read as a wee lad. When asked what he would be doing with a security blanket when he was 30, he replied that no one got that old.

  218. Or a reference, whichever.

  219. The noun “Linus” is actually in that previous comment. If you squint, you can see it.

  220. no Darleen he deserves a for reals marriage I think

    Then find him a suitable woman.

    Pablo, that brings hearty guffaws.

    But, none of these angry homosexuals can handle a real-live woman. They’ve discovered the easier ways out of their sexual ineptitudes, via back doors.

  221. I know a guy who was an astronomy major back in the 90s. He couldn’t do anything with it except go to grad school. And he didn’t want to go to grad school because he didn’t want to compete with all the asian math whizzes.

    So he went to business school instead.

    And now he sells heavy machinery.

  222. Dan Thavage?

    Nope, Dan Obama, Barack’s other mythical son.

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  224. Sowell preemptively reflects. Concludes: “Gays are in vogue”.

  225. Thanks for posting that, Lee. I groused about this in a similar manner in grad school, 20 years ago. We now have a generation, actually two generations, of people who feel they have an absolute right to go through life never suffering a moment of discomfort, judgement or misunderstanding.

    Slippery slope? You bet. Read some of the responses on news media about crimes committed and there is a chorus of how someone, somewhere failed to protect the perpetrator from bullying, a shit upbringing, poor educational opportunities, et al, and in so doing practically made him/her gun down those school children at the crosswalk, rape old ladies, turn to bank robbery or serial murder.

    Makes me sick.

  226. People who feel they have an absolute right to go through life never suffering a moment of discomfort, judgement or misunderstanding are big stupidheads.

  227. Indeed. They won’t get invited to the good parties, either.

  228. I’m a get a juicer today and harness the power of juice!

  229. Don’t overdo the carrot juice or you may turn orange. Too much beta carotene.

  230. i just did my first one it was carrot and kale and butternut squash – very very tasty way better than I expected and it was super easy to clean up

  231. Juicing killed Jack LaLanne. I’m almost sure of it. It’ll probably take Mickey Rooney from us too.

  232. Jack LaLanne would kick your ass for that remark, if he were still kickin’, that is.

  233. carrot and kale and butternut squash … better than I expected

    If I were able to actually swallow that combination it would be better than I expected.

  234. it was honestly super tasty – Mr. Jack died of pneumonia at 96 after refusing to see a doctor – if he’d just thrown some antibiotics and kale and some watermelon into the old juicer he’d still be with us today

    but he got cocky

  235. I’m already a tired old fool at 44. The last thing I needs is vegetable positions what’ll keep me limping on to 96.

  236. Would’ve been more palatable, ‘feets, with some added PGA. Just a splash, mind.

  237. I’m getting a juicer soon, myself, because some of them make baby food. Was leaning toward an Omega, though there are a coupla Brevilles I’m looking at.

    For now I’ll have to get by on Odawala doing the work for me. And seaweed salad. Those things are the only things keeping my body from shutting down about now is my guess.

  238. Jesus, Jeff. With all of the grip work you do I’d imagine that your hands are a juicer at this point.

  239. Don’t overdo the carrot juice or you may turn orange. Too much beta carotene.

    John Boehner could not be reached for comment, busy as he was sucking down carrot juice. In a tanning bed.

  240. Jesus, Jeff. With all of the grip work you do I’d imagine that your hands are a juicer at this point.

    That’s kinda messy.

    I’m strong, but I’m also immaculately groomed.

  241. Anyone notice jg’s latest Twitter entry? What’s this Nikken cookware, and ‘aqua. gravity water system’ of which he speaks?

  242. Shit, has my Twitter been hacked?

  243. Oh! Hi! How’ the missus and children?

  244. the $200 Omega one was the most expensive at BB&B and it said it had a “megamouth” but I checked and it had the same mouth size as the $99 LaLanne one… and I don’t think it had two speeds which you would need for the baby foozle – just the Breville one did… it was $150. I ended up just getting a Lalanne one for home and one for work. This way I don’t have an excuse not to drink the tasty nutritious juice and I can harness the power of juice from wherever I am, as long as I’m either at home or work.

  245. All’s well, jdw. Except for that I am hanging about like a zombie that is so very very tired that not even fresh brains or exposed Kardashian entrails can make me get out of my super comfy rocking chair.

  246. Awhile back jdw noticed weird tweets coming from my account and, after first changing the password, he recommended revoking some of the application approvals that you can find under settings > apps.

    It worked for me.

  247. what app approvals?

  248. You need a juice power harness. Obama’s backing a company that makes those, with our money.

  249. Revoke all your outside-agency approvals just to get the right one (Discus included). You can add ‘em back as needed. And, change your password, of course.

  250. You may or may not have any. Some websites have an option to create an account through your Twitter. Those are the apps.

    Go to little icon of the man on the top right on Twitter, choose settings from the drop down options, then click on the Apps tab that will come up on the left They should be listed there if you have any.

  251. Meh. V-8 juice, by the case at Sam’s. Love the stuff!

  252. Jeff, all you need for baby food is an immersion blender (stick blender) and a fine seive.

  253. juice harnesses are the future

  254. I got a juicer last year, but after making a few vegetable drinks I lost interest in that idea. It can get expensive for one thing.

    Now I just use it when I have fruit in the yard. Apples, apricots, pomegranate, like that. There’s some grapefruit out there now I’m about ready to get the ladder for…

  255. A couple months ago the Mandarin tree was loaded so I spent all morning juicing and all afternoon drinking screwdrivers.

    By nightfall I was incredibly healthy.

  256. Nobody hacks my Twitter feed. Keeping my following to a couple of dozen will do that.

  257. i decided to go cranberry instead of mango

    Good choice. A bunch of “Saturday Night Live” skits have given me a great phobia of ever going Mango. I’m secure in my sexuality, but nobody is that secure.

  258. Juicers look like another one of those kitchen appliances that hogs up a lot of counterspace. I can get a juicer attachment for my KitchenAid, but I haven’t bothered.

    My foodie pals keep trying to convince me to buy a Vitamix. Which costs around $2000. Which I can’t justify even if it can grind wheat and make bread and cook soup and make juice.

  259. Argh. I mean ThermoMix. The parts are guarenteed forever.

  260. How is a juicer different from a blender?

  261. juicer seperate the juicy goodness from the pulpy fibery mush what’s left over – so it’s juicy instead of more smoothie-like

  262. some people are allergic to mangos I don’t know why they’re just defective

  263. Can a juicer make a milk shake?

  264. no it can’t really you could make stuff to flavor and color your shake with like pom juice though

    how fun!

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