At least, according the Minnesota Board of Teaching
In a report compiled last summer, the Race, Culture, Class and Gender Task Group at the U’s College of Education and Human Development recommended that aspiring teachers there must repudiate the notion of “the American Dream” in order to obtain the recommendation for licensure required by the Minnesota Board of Teaching. Instead, teacher candidates must embrace — and be prepared to teach our state’s kids — the task force’s own vision of America as an oppressive hellhole: racist, sexist and homophobic.The task group is part of the Teacher Education Redesign Initiative, a multiyear project to change the way future teachers are trained at the U’s flagship campus. The initiative is premised, in part, on the conviction that Minnesota teachers’ lack of “cultural competence” contributes to the poor academic performance of the state’s minority students. [...]
The report advocates making race, class and gender politics the “overarching framework” for all teaching courses at the U. It calls for evaluating future teachers in both coursework and practice teaching based on their willingness to fall into ideological lockstep. [...]
The task group recommends, for example, that prospective teachers be required to prepare an “autoethnography” report. They must describe their own prejudices and stereotypes, question their “cultural” motives for wishing to become teachers, and take a “cultural intelligence” assessment designed to ferret out their latent racism, classism and other “isms.” They “earn points” for “demonstrating the ability to be self-critical.” [...]
Future teachers must also recognize and denounce the fundamental injustices at the heart of American society, says the task group. [...]
…the task force recommends requiring “our future teachers” to “articulate a sophisticated and nuanced critical analysis” of this view of the American promise. In the process, they must incorporate the “myth of meritocracy in the United States,” the “history of demands for assimilation to white, middle-class, Christian meanings and values, [and] history of white racism, with special focus on current colorblind ideology.”
What if some aspiring teachers resist this effort at thought control and object to parroting back an ideological line as a condition of future employment? The task group has Orwellian plans for such rebels: The U, it says, must “develop clear steps and procedures for working with non-performing students, including a remediation plan.”
Bill Ayers approach to education is not a fluke.
I began teaching when I was 20 years old in a small freedom school affiliated with the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. The year was 1965, and I’d been arrested in a demonstration. Jailed for ten days, I met several activists who were finding ways to link teaching and education with deep and fundamental social change. They were following Dewey and DuBois, King and Helen Keller who wrote: “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”I walked out of jail and into my first teaching position—and from that day until this I’ve thought of myself as a teacher, but I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice.
Since the 60’s, Left totalitarian radicalism started a systematic “transformation” via higher education – from schools of “journalism” that eschew even attempts at objectivity in favor of “advocacy journalism”, to schools of education that turn out teachers dedicated to “social justice” rather teaching kids to read and write.
If the Minnesota Board of Teaching is successful in its political litmus test for teaching licenses, how long before they undermine and effectively ban homeschooling in that state?
And what other Licensing Boards will follow?
h/t Hot Air
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UPDATE: via Hot Air, FIRE became concerned enough by this report to look into it and found out is even worse
FIRE is deeply concerned about new policies at University of Minnesota-Twin Cities proposed by the College of Education and Human Development. According to documents published by the college (see http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cehd/teri), it intends to mandate certain beliefs and values-”dispositions”-for future teachers. The college also intends to redesign its admissions process so that it screens out people with the “wrong” beliefs and values-those who either do not have sufficient “cultural competence” or those who the college judges will not be able to be converted to the “correct” beliefs and values even after remedial re-education. These intentions violate the freedom of conscience of the university’s students. As a public university bound by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the university is both legally and morally obligated to uphold this fundamental right.
With the Left controlling admissions, graduations and licensing for teachers, who really needs to even discussion narrative and intentionalism? Words will mean whatever the Task Group say they mean.
Comment by Carin on 11/25 @ 11:09 am #
People need to understand Critical theory and what it has spawned.
And, by “people” I mean people outside of our little community here.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/25 @ 11:14 am #
They continue to pave the way for my eventual move to Texas or Alaska.
BTW, I have it on good authority that the IT department of the U of M is very good. I cannot speak to the teaching program, but this makes it seem a bit iffy.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 11:15 am #
Ed Morrisey has the whole Orwellian manifesto and a damn fine smack down here.
…“future teachers will be able to discuss their own histories and current thinking drawing on notions of white privilege, hegemonic masculinity, heteronormativity, and internalized oppression.”
Reading, writing & arithmetic?
Yeah, not so much.
That rumbling you hear? That’s every child psychologist in America stampeding to Minnesota.
Comment by the Lost Dog on 11/25 @ 11:20 am #
You know, I could never understand how Hitler managed to take power in Germany.
Well, it’s becoming too obvious. I am scared shitless for my son.
Comment by McGehee on 11/25 @ 11:20 am #
I’d suggest doing a little research on NEA-Alaska before further narrowing your choices.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 11:23 am #
Sadly, this is a better plot for Mike Judge’s Idiocracy than the actual plot.
And it won’t take 500 years.
Minnesotans will be functionally retarded and spraying their crops with Gatorade within two generations.
It’s got electrolytes.
Comment by Carin on 11/25 @ 11:23 am #
You know, though, this is good. This shit has been there, ever-increasing, like that frog in the pot of water, since John Dewey started penning his books.
When it was nuance, not overt, people didn’t notice.
They need to keep coming out with this total bullshit. There will be a revolt.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 11:25 am #
Brett Favre just asked to be traded back to the Packers.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 11:30 am #
“When it was nuance, not overt, people didn’t notice.”
Remember when that stupid movie PCU was a way over the top/ jump the shark flick?
I will now go internalize my oppression.
Comment by doubled on 11/25 @ 11:40 am #
…making race, class and gender politics the “overarching framework” for all teaching courses at the U.
Because nothing makes one more valuable when seeking employment and contributing to society than making race, class and gender your ‘educational’ focus.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 11:42 am #
Sorry about #3 Darleen. I didn’t see your h/t at the bottom of the post.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/25 @ 11:44 am #
Are they forced to teach “intelligent” design, too?
Comment by Carin on 11/25 @ 11:46 am #
Snowcow isn’t even trying now.
What you say you take a few days off for the holiday? Regroup. Rest. Come back and try again when you’re reenergized.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 11:50 am #
Ace is right about Scandis, they are a decadent stupid race.
Comment by JD on 11/25 @ 11:52 am #
PCU was a sensational movie.
I feel bad for my friends Squid and cranky who have to deal with this kind of idiocy in their home State. Good Allah.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/25 @ 11:53 am #
I had some people trying to tell me last saturday night that we weren’t spending enough money on education (okay, both were liberals). I pointed out that the money isn’t the issue, it’s that the curriculum is no longer focused on the three Rs. They already know I’m a wingnut so I have no idea if they took it to heart.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 11:56 am #
I blame Garrison Keeler. He is doing somesort of insane evil mind control on Minnesota.
Comment by Darleen on 11/25 @ 11:59 am #
cranky-d
In California, 40% of the annual budget goes to education, by law.
Fat lot of good that’s done here.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 12:12 pm #
Are they forced to teach “intelligent” design, too?
Only of the social, political and economic lives of the nation, Snowy, by an elite comprised largely of people just like them.
Comment by B Moe on 11/25 @ 12:14 pm #
I just can’t believe people this stupid have taken over the country.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 12:15 pm #
Al Franken put some sort of psychotropics in the Minnesota State Fair treats, in the nut goodies, and in this Christmas’ lutefisk production.
It is all spoiled! Don’t eat it.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/25 @ 12:17 pm #
Let me also say I took a “preparing future faculty” course when I was in grad school, and some of the stupid-ass shit they did as part of preparing us to “teach” was just crazy. One exercise involved us reading two lines from a list out loud that basically stated shit like “I am responsible for racism” or whatever. The only reason I didn’t scream at them was that the two sentences I had to read were not nearly as objectionable.
Believe me, though, they knew how I felt about their crap, because I let it be known at other times. I did not take the second semester of the class.
Comment by Kresh on 11/25 @ 12:29 pm #
Remember wingnuts, it’s not Fascism when they do it!
So, exactly how, is this any different from teaching Creationism? I mean, how, really?
They’re both faith based religious concepts. Creationism just ends up killing less people in the end, I guess. That may be the only difference. Unless there’s been a bunch of re-education camps built by Christians that we missed when we liberated Europe the last time. Could have happened.
Maybe.
Comment by JD on 11/25 @ 12:34 pm #
Sock puppets are so cute.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 12:55 pm #
Cranky, #23, my wife’s an elementary school teacher and she gets this sort of thing all the time. It’s little more than Maoist self-criticism designed to instill a sense of gaseous guilt in order to extract concessions in whatever form is required later. She’s outraged by them, but not versed well enough in the nature of the political project that fosters these to raise a coherent objection at the time the indoctrination is being delivered. She has tenure…I’m in the process of educating her to drive a stake through the heart of any future session she’s compelled to attend.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 1:00 pm #
Hey look the turkey that got pardoned this year…so to speak.
Comment by CommieBlaster on 11/25 @ 2:30 pm #
Take a look at all the School Indoctrination going on here: http://www.commieblaster.com/news/school_indoctrination.html
Then see the scary facts about Bill Ayers and his ties to the White House here: http://www.commieblaster.com/bill_ayers/index.html
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 3:16 pm #
And the kids get fucked over either way, either by the Polanskis of the world or the Ayers of the world.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 3:44 pm #
RD, Snowcone, meya, and other comrades celebrating Thanksgiving.
Boy that looks like fun! Pass the Wild Turkey!
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 3:45 pm #
And the bong.
Comment by B Moe on 11/25 @ 3:51 pm #
BOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
What a fucking retard.
Comment by geoffb on 11/25 @ 4:06 pm #
Nah, this is “Intelligentsia designed education”.
Comment by Mr. W on 11/25 @ 4:07 pm #
Uncle Joe Stalin isn’t dead, he’s vice-principal in charge of setting the curriculum at the William Ayers High School for the advancement of failed ideologies.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 4:10 pm #
And the bong.
But wouldn’t that involve burning, like, plants ‘n’ shit? Is it okay to do as long as you feel guilty about it?
Comment by Mr. W on 11/25 @ 4:11 pm #
Dear Snowcone,
Even public school kids know that Barry is failing.
And so do you.
Comment by B Moe on 11/25 @ 4:11 pm #
Booooooooosh! Rhymes with whooooooooosh! The sound of these posts whizzzing by you head.
Comment by Makewi on 11/25 @ 4:13 pm #
To be fair some things are the fault of greedy insurance companies and limb chopping medicos way more than they are the fault of bush.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 4:14 pm #
If nothing else, Bush was a kick-ass Texan who proved that temporarily cutting taxes could usher in an exciting new era of semi-profitable warfare.
Whereas no one’s going to be able to earn (and keep) a profit now. Change!
Comment by Mr. W on 11/25 @ 4:16 pm #
Re: #37 from RD
Kicking ass: Something else that Barry will never ever be accused of doing.
Barack is the death knell for the Democrat party, and you know it.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 4:18 pm #
Kicking ass: Something else that Barry will never ever be accused of doing.
Nonsense. Did you not see him kick GM and Crysler’s secured bond holders’ asses in broad daylight?
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 4:18 pm #
FIRE just wrote U-Minn a “Do it and we’ll own your ass” letter.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/25 @ 4:21 pm #
I blame Garrison Keillor. He is doing somesort of insane evil mind control on Minnesota.
Keillor is a full-blown communist asshole when he isn’t doing his Prarie Home Companion schtick.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/25 @ 4:24 pm #
Of course. If it weren’t for a hippie conspiracy 40 years in the making, conservatism would be doing just fine.
It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it?
You just can’t face the truth, can you?
We really do need another HUAC.
Comment by Mr. W on 11/25 @ 4:27 pm #
jeffersonian,
I work for GM, so Barry’s special style of mis-management has truly changed my life, just as it has changed the lives of so many others.
Comment by B Moe on 11/25 @ 4:32 pm #
Those 40 years of hippies don’t hurt near as much as 3 years of a Democrat Congress.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/25 @ 4:32 pm #
If nothing else, Bush was a kick-ass Texan who proved that temporarily cutting taxes could usher in an exciting new era of semi-profitable warfare.
When we get through with this era of bankruptcy and surrender, don’t look us up again.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 4:41 pm #
I work for GM, so Barry’s special style of mis-management has truly changed my life, just as it has changed the lives of so many others.
I used to (contract engineer at an assembly plant), so I know what you mean. I hear it from a lot of old friends that are still there.
Comment by greginsewa on 11/25 @ 4:47 pm #
Isn’t this the same state that sent functional retard Stuart Smalley to the senate? Perhaps the “teaching program” has been instituted for awhile already.
Nonetheless, those of us with kids are going to have to redouble our efforts, in order to counteract the ignorance/poison that is being promulgated by the wretched fucksticks in the public “education” system. The one upside is, most of these hacks are so burned out by the time they’ve been there for a few years, they can barely get themselves to class, much less foment “revolution.”
Comment by Jeffersonian on 11/25 @ 4:51 pm #
No doubt run by commissioner Palin, appointed by president Beck.
Sweet!!
Comment by newrouter on 11/25 @ 5:06 pm #
do you get a pass if you teach at islamic charter schools
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/25 @ 5:08 pm #
…”the upcoming Red Dawn remake.”
Dear Hollywood,
Please stop raping my childhood.
Comment by Joe on 11/25 @ 5:25 pm #
Just as long as they teach my kids that Obama hatched from a dragon egg, I am good on the eviro stuff.
Comment by royf on 11/25 @ 5:27 pm #
I can see it now: George Soros names names
Well that certainly won’t be a new role for him now will it. He didn’t mind giving the Nazi SS a helping hand.
Comment by Kresh on 11/25 @ 5:44 pm #
Mmm. Irony, it’s what’s for dinner!
Just because you’re wrong, doesn’t mean we are. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s an orchestrated effort. It was done out in the open. WE let you retards do it.
Let me illustrate our quandary for you: Is it the fault of the unarmed homeowner, or that of the armed criminal, for the dead bodies? AKA: Is it our fault for not stopping you, or is it your fault for joyfully destroying liberty and freedom? The guy with the gun holds the most blame, but the unarmed homeowner still hold some responsibility for not adequately guarding the castle.
Savvy?
Comment by geoffb on 11/25 @ 7:27 pm #
As the SS Obama takes on more water, the roaches and rats are streaming out of steerage and into the light.
Comment by newrouter on 11/25 @ 8:03 pm #
sarah palin wants andrew sullivan’s eyeballs
Comment by SDN on 11/25 @ 8:12 pm #
Just one more example of why sending your kid to pubic screwel is de facto child abuse and neglect.
Comment by Noel on 11/25 @ 8:12 pm #
If they’re going to teach only liberalism, and accept only liberals as students, and graduate only liberals–will they accept only tax dollars from liberals. will they agree to have their funding cut in half? Jus’ thinkin’ critically, here…
Comment by sdferr on 11/25 @ 8:23 pm #
Contrast, if you will two posts found today. First, this from David Thompson: Somber Jeans, Radical Bag. Then this, from The Barrister at Maggie’s Farm, Before Safety Was Invented: A Slide Show.
And people wonder where America went.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/25 @ 9:27 pm #
And lefty’s like snowcone have the nerve to talk about conservative “loyalty oaths”…
None save for swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States…
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/25 @ 10:22 pm #
“Comment by RD on 11/25 @ 3:36 pm #
Since the 60’s, Left totalitarian radicalism started a systematic “transformation” via higher education
Of course. If it weren’t for a hippie conspiracy 40 years in the making, conservatism would be doing just fine.
It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it?”
The reactionary leftist long march through the institutions was much longer than 40 years in the making, Retarded Dingo.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/25 @ 11:18 pm #
Comment by sdferr on 11/25 @ 8:23 pm #
David Thompson should be daily reading, if he isn’t already.
Comment by sdferr on 11/25 @ 11:37 pm #
Along with daily reading Mr Thompson Spiny, might I suggest everyone ought to have the opportunity to spend a couple of days in their lives walking high steel with a gang of Mohawks? It’d do ‘em all some good to have the experience.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:00 am #
Yup. That’s your dirty socialist NPR whore Richard Harris’s take on that dealio where those climate pansies got cold busted with their evil climate pansy lies. Yup again. In dirty socialist NPR whore land it’s completely appropriate to do a story about cold-busted lying climate pansies without actually quoting any of their well-documented climate pansy lies and schemes.
Comment by Djin li-Nin on 11/26 @ 12:06 am #
Imagine no Paradise,
It’s easy if you fly,
No virgins hump us,
And not a drop of rye,
Imagine all of Islam
without heavenly lays…
Imagine there’s no Koran,
It isn’t hardly true,
Nothing to bomb or burn for,
No Ayatollahs too,
Imagine all of Islam
living the rule of law…
Imagine deserts blooming,
I wonder how Jews can,
Using soap and hot water,
Instead of toilet hand,
imagine all of Islam
Sparing the ferengi dogs…
You may say I’m an infidel,
but I’m not the only one,
I hope some day you’ll join us,
When the West has really won.
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 12:17 am #
So who the fuck are you?
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/26 @ 12:21 am #
walking high steel
Hmmm, not sure about that. I get vertigo. Hanging out of an airplane at 11,000′ taking pictures of other airplanes, that I’ve done.
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 12:30 am #
The AGW/CRU story like the ACORN one seems to be one of those energizer bunny “One Day Stories”.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:34 am #
What? I heart evolutions. And I really could care less about the stem cell researchings and abortion annoys me mostly cause of I’m so tired of hearing about it incessantly but some of that’s a hangover from when I listened to NPR all the time and also I decided recently that I could care less about the gay marriagings neither. I think after they pass the gay marriage you won’t hear about it anymore – same way as we don’t hear people nattering on about stem cells every goddamn day anymore. Also I hate drugs but if you wanted to legalize them I’m not gonna make a big fuss about it. What else? I really like Carin’s Mika song.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:39 am #
evolutions is how I got my turtles
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 12:40 am #
So what is going to happen is all the homeless polar bears are going to come down and eat all the homeless coastal people and then there won’t be as many people torturing Mother Gaia. Win, win, win. What is not to like, Jeff?
Comment by Big D on 11/26 @ 12:42 am #
Oh yeah, and it’s the hottest decade in history.
Nice assertion there, Jeff, Could you tell me what the average temperature for the North American continent was in the winter of 3000 BC? That would be in “History” wouldn’t it? Think about it for a minute and realize how stupid your assertion is.
Do yourself a favor and go back to your echo chamber.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:47 am #
climateprogress.org definitely sounds like it should be the last word on the subject
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 1:13 am #
Jeff aka JT
Are you asserting that there was no Race, Culture, Class and Gender Task Group that made the recommendations as outline above? Can you link to someone from the U of Minn. stating that this group never met, never issued a report and never came up with the “recommendations?”
Is it your assertion that this url
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cehd/teri/
is just a figment of all our imaginations?
Or is this just the usual Leftist BUNNIES!!! in an attempt to distract. Like with the AGW fraud, cuz it aint just the emails, it the comments left by programmers in the coding.
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost! on 11/26 @ 1:48 am #
This stuff is already embedded in the educational “culture”, for want of a more inappropriate word. My younger brother’s daughter just completed her freshman year in college back east. Every question, EVERY question, on her English 101 exam was “Find the racism in the following sentence.”
Comment by royf on 11/26 @ 5:26 am #
Ah just what we need around here, Jeff is another stupid lefty troll who thinks they can post outdated and debunked propaganda here. It only makes you appear to be a fool Jeffy do some more reading and research, Leftism is a metal sickness which requires non thinking compliance from its “useful idiots”. Don’t be such a tool Jeffy, Just the very title of that garbage you linked should send up a reasonable person bull shit flag. I’ve already lived through the “COMING ICE-AGE!!!” and the “POPULATION BOMB!!!”. and countless other circumstances or conditions which the left seizes onto as a excuse to grab some more power and take away our freedom of choice and action. Your information is old and stale Jeff just like your political ideology.
Comment by royf on 11/26 @ 5:27 am #
metal = mental
Comment by No one you know on 11/26 @ 5:53 am #
I read sites like Climate Progress, what with their 50% references to the Guardian UK, there’s an unbiased source, but there was an article that did catch my eye. It was an article about the 50% price drop in solar cells. I was just wondering if the author of a site like that, would, as a sign of commitment, run his servers on electricity produced exclusively from solar energy. See what happens the next time the sun goes down.
Oh, and the article that Jeff (the commenter) referenced also included the blog author’s commentary that “the Hadley Data is sound.” The article was from 12/2008, and Hadley = CRU. That would be the same CRU that’s currently being exposed for having “cooked” the books, as it were. But I guess you can always scream “heretic” at your political opponents.
Comment by Carin on 11/26 @ 6:03 am #
What else? I really like Carin’s Mika song.
I TOLD you that was a good song.
His best.
Comment by Carin on 11/26 @ 6:06 am #
Since the 60’s, Left totalitarian radicalism started a systematic “transformation” via higher education
Of course. If it weren’t for a hippie conspiracy 40 years in the making, conservatism would be doing just fine.
It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t it?
I suppose researching and responding intelligently to the trends in education and Critical theory is too much for RD.
Comment by Danger on 11/26 @ 6:38 am #
No one you know is someone we should know better.
Well placed volley sir.
Keep firing
Comment by Rusty on 11/26 @ 6:38 am #
#81
Got some carbon credits for ya, cheap.
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 6:43 am #
Considering sources…
One doesn’t have to
that this decade began in 2001. The illustrious Joe over there at Climate Progress is an idiot.
See what I mean?
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 7:10 am #
Good God. Our way of life is being threatened by people who can’t count to ten.
Comment by LTC John on 11/26 @ 7:49 am #
B Moe, nor can they read a calendar…
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 8:01 am #
How about this exchange:
What a joke.
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 8:07 am #
It’s nice that they have figured out how to work pop culture into their science, though. I wonder what Britney Spears’ vagina thinks about climate change.
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 8:34 am #
I do not know who the “Joe” is referencedd in B Moe’s post at #95, but I do not think it was me. It was almost a year ago.
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 8:36 am #
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 8:07 am #
It’s nice that they have figured out how to work pop culture into their science, though. I wonder what Britney Spears’ vagina thinks about climate change.
Pre or post Brazilian?
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 8:56 am #
The Joe in my quote is one of the proprietors of Climate Progress, it would seem.
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 8:58 am #
B Moe, I would prefer he called him self “Crazy Joe” or “Joe Warmin” or “Joe AGW”
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 9:00 am #
Oh no, look who is bowing again!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdLdQxhZGk/SwaivynKplI/AAAAAAAAFf4/mc0xTQPATW4/s1600/obamaburgerking.jpg
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 9:28 am #
George Washington gives thanks.
You sadly can’t teach this in public schools.
Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 11/26 @ 9:36 am #
Happy Turkey Day everybody!!
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Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/26 @ 9:40 am #
My wife just flipped me the bird!
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
Comment by JJ on 11/26 @ 10:13 am #
OK, let me see, American principles …. those are the ones that say “all men are created equal”? And, of course that would mean being opposed to racism and sexism and homophobia, right? And so, perhaps you p[refer the 3/5 compromise? Where I come from, prejudice is hardly and American value. Things must be different out there.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Comment by serr8d on 11/26 @ 10:14 am #
Hey, to all, Happy Thanksgiving!
For one, just be glad this isn’t LGF. You’d be standing around waiting for your daily CJ absolutions.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 10:22 am #
If prejudice isn’t an “American value” where you come from JJ, why then would you want to come here to display your own manifestations of that pernicious fault? It’s just odd to see, is all.
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 10:28 am #
JJ I will take a moment to explain the 3/5 compromise again.
It was southern slave owners who wanted their slaves counted as men (for congressional apportionment purposes). Hypocrisy to be sure, but also politics as usual (kinda like Demcrats counting illegal aliens now). Northerners opposed this not because they discounted slaves were men, but because they thought it unfair to them for the southern states to use slaves toward representation levels in congress. The 3/5 compromise was worked out to address that.
Bone up on history JJ.
Comment by B Moe on 11/26 @ 10:29 am #
This is why I am opposed to pardoning turkeys.
Comment by Joe on 11/26 @ 10:30 am #
CJ can come over and scrub some pots if he wants. Then he can leave.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 10:31 am #
JJ
My family came here in 1697 as slaves. Put that in your talking points computer model and square it.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 10:36 am #
I wasn’t kidding about the value of listening to the conversation between Peter Robinson and Paul Rahe. Do yourselves the favor. Warning: it may induce you to want to re-read de Tocquevilles’ Democracy in America.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 10:36 am #
Oh, btw, JJ is posting from the University of Rochester in NY. Either an academic or a kid who couldn’t go home for Thanksgiving. Same emotional level.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 10:54 am #
If JJ is an academic our country is in worse shape than I had imagined it could be. If he’s merely an empty-headed yout’ who thinks he’s already got it all figured out, then perhaps there is still some hope he’ll learn and grow.
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 11:07 am #
Mmmm…mmmm…mmmm.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:08 am #
“My American dream who that these people be relocated somewhere…”
No surprise there. Either in the grammar or in the totalitarian sentiment.
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 11:08 am #
And perhaps take a course in writing English in a clear and persuasive fashion. The other “J” today could also benefit.
On another thread it was all trolls begin with the letter “T”, now it is “J”. Sesame Street trolling.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:11 am #
“is” who?
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 11:12 am #
But enough about AGW.
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 11:13 am #
Hey, what’s “hard right” doing in that paragraph?
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 11:16 am #
Fixed to account for the release of the Hadley CRU data.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:24 am #
We can agree, I hope, that politics isn’t science, nor science politics. The world seems to have grown a great deal of confused on that score over the last couple of centuries, resulting in many of the messes we find ourselves in today.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:25 am #
“Of confusion” rather than of confused, I ought to have said.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/26 @ 11:30 am #
I kept warning everyone. I expect this of the Left. It’s what their worldview inevitably leads to. Who’s to blame here is those on the “right” who not only didn’t try to stop it, but who aided it, however tacitly, in exchange for blog hits and pats on the back from moral frauds like SEK.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:33 am #
“…making our round world fit into their square holes because of their FEAR of terrorists, gays, communists, socialists, marxists, non-whites, and everyone who doesn’t look and pray like they do.”
There you go propounding your egregious prejudice again Jeff. What’s up with that? Are you simply proud to be a bigoted little man? Or don’t you recognize your own erroneous understanding of the real human beings you so neatly sum in ignorance?
Comment by royf on 11/26 @ 11:37 am #
Jeff says he’s ok with telling the inferior folks they are just going to take showers, Because his betters have told him it’s for the good of the party.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/26 @ 11:38 am #
Comment by Jeff on 11/26 @ 11:23 am #
Denial.
It’s just not a river in Egypt any more.
““The entire global climate awareness movement is based on knowing what numerous scientific data streams are showing us,”
Yeah, if they had been sqeezed, tweaked, twisted, re-run, and tweezed to remove the unsightly flat line of global temps from the last 10 years.
“not from one or two but from a dozen climate labs around the world,….”
Each of which get their money from…….who?
” unfortunately we have the wingnut denialists ”
No reference to “science” in that sentance. No sirree bob.
“…..then twisting heaven and earth to make other made up ‘facts’ fit into their world view. ”
See ‘modeling, climate’.
“It’s the kind of thing you take meds for…”
Oh, so you have sought professional help. Good for you.
“…but oddly enough the hard right seems to find some kind of validation in making our round world fit into their square holes.””
Denial, projection, delusion and gibbering hatred.
Are you sure thor isn’t back posting moronic shit again after being kicked off this forum?
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 11:39 am #
I did not know that using the text in messages via the internet it was possible to gather a complete and accurate data set that showed the skin color, ethnic background, political views, and religious views and rites of all those commenting. Truly amazing the things that can be done in the data reanalysis field nowadays.
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 11:41 am #
And Happy Thanksgiving to you Jeff G.
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 11:45 am #
This might be a good time to say “I told you so” at some length.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:46 am #
Professor Rahe expostulates that the progressive movement got going in the United States in the 1870’s and further that the importation into the States of the German University system was its first leg up. Now over a century and a quarter later, after the institution of many a progressive alteration of our original system and the addition of many more progressive programs in law, we’ve difficulty even re-capturing the idea of that original system, its virtues and vices, not to mention its day to day mundane grinding of gears and interactions in human conduct. There’s plenty of work to be done.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/26 @ 11:49 am #
Numbers don’t lie, Pablo. The biggest sites on the right took the opposite tack I did. And demonized me en route.
You get what you pay for.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:56 am #
I want to say, Yes but, JeffG, saying the truth always has gotten the short end of the stick. What could be a plainer lesson of the centuries of Western political thought? I mean, shit, Plato explained all that in 325BC.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 11:58 am #
Fuck me, meant to write 375, but you get the idea.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:02 pm #
SEK is a good person I think. I can’t imagine anything where I’d say hey this is your fault Mr. SEK. The R party is terminally gay is more the problem I think. My God. They nominated Meghan’s coward daddy … on purpose … for… get this – PRESIDENT! That’s inexplicable. And the Sarah Palin fan club tigerbeatesquerie is the gayest thing I’ve ever seen. Our little country is tumbling into a dirty socialist abyss. It’s so sad to me. Sarah Palin is not the future, but she’s sucking all the oxygen from the future of our little country as a capitalist bastion of freedom and for entirely self-serving purposes I think.
And you’re a fine one to be pointing fingers, Mr. not-blogging person who used to be the most effective and compelling voice for Team America on the whole Internet. It’s so sad to me.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 12:05 pm #
How does that quote go? One can do what’s easy or what’s right.
This is why I have never bought the claim that people are basically good. People basically will do whatever it takes to just get along or get by.
The banality of evil isn’t just that great evil deeds are committed, but that ordinary folk chose to deliberately ignore or went along with it.
This is why Righteous Gentiles were rare in WWII and why places like Yale are more the rule than the exception.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 12:10 pm #
hf
SEK wrote clearly that he believes non-leftists are racist. Period. For the same reasons as the U of Minn. above want a litmus test that only teachers who believe American principles of self-reliance, freedom of opportunity and responsibility are evil myths should be ALLOWED to teach.
SEK may not be evil. But to take him at his libels, he is not good.
Comment by SBP on 11/26 @ 12:12 pm #
SEK is a good person I think.
I don’t.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/26 @ 12:14 pm #
Oh. I’d forgotten Villainous Company’s contributions to the slow demise of classical liberalism. Revisiting it now, I’m struck at just how dedicated to following me around and bashing me is Timb.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:14 pm #
He’s wrong about many many things. Darleen. I don’t understand his deal with racism. I think he trivializes the whole concept by maundering on about it constantly and shrieking racist at people. People like you or Mr. Riehl. But racism is a lot like religion I think. We see this very clearly with the global warming but it gets obscured with racism cause of our very real history. I don’t know how to fick it.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/26 @ 12:15 pm #
And with that, contemporary conservatism and its champions officially jumped the shark.
See you all in the next life.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:17 pm #
That’s supposed to be a comma before Darleen. NG gave me her thing and I’m not sure if I’ll go do Thanksgiving cause I don’t want to get anyone sick. So I’m sort of reclining far away from the screen.
People here are so pressured with worry and stress I’d hate to make it worse.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:21 pm #
I don’t think people fall into good people bad people taxonomy very cooperatively. Mr. SEK maybe just isn’t for everyone, but I think sometimes he’s much more fair and engaging than many what are on the side of dirty socialist darkness.
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 12:34 pm #
Only in the sense that they involve a system of “belief”. The ends, and means used to get to the ends, are quite different and are the distinction that must be made. Beliefs that propose to use coercive force to achieve their ends are a different animal. And yes Christianity did, at one time, several hundred years ago, fall into this trap of mixing into the temporal realm of the political. For science to now do so is just as bad in the same ways.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 12:39 pm #
I’m thinking we’ve a lot of useless cobwebs wound around our idea(s) of science that need clearing away. Until that’s got done, we’re in danger of wandering off on many a hunt for phantoms.
Comment by SBP on 11/26 @ 12:42 pm #
I don’t think people fall into good people bad people taxonomy very cooperatively.
I think people that call others racists with no justification whatsoever are definitely bad people.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:42 pm #
Well, that’s if you don’t broaden your idea of what serves as religion these days. The chewy goodness center of religion couldn’t hold, and the political and the scientific and the religious are of a piece now. I don’t know how to fick it.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:44 pm #
Mr. SEK needs to stop calling people racists so much. I agree.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 12:44 pm #
hf
I don’t think people fall into good people bad people taxonomy very cooperatively
Only if you think of it as an either/or proposition. As I have said several times before it is more like a moral bank account — good deeds are deposits, bad deeds are withdrawals.
and I use the word “deeds” on purpose. illiberal progressives are wont to dismiss any good deed or behavior on the part of non-leftists because of “bad motives” that they project onto non-leftists. IE Christians who support the legitimacy of Israel ONLY do it because they really hate Jews and believe in “end times”.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:47 pm #
His friends call me a racist over there all the time, too. Joshie C especially. But Mr. Dr. Steele and Richie P too. It’s not hurtful it’s silly. I honestly think they hurt their own cause. J.D. is very in tune with how this works.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 12:48 pm #
“…the political and the scientific and the religious are of a piece now…”
They are in truth? Or people just pretend that they are?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:48 pm #
the little dog laughed to see such sport
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:50 pm #
I think there’s just uncountable shades of delusion out there Mr. sdferr, but mostly it’s the dirty socialist media. Stem cell research was a matter of religious zeal for the NPR whores. Gay marriagings, too. Every time they add another it just gets easier and easier. People are very pliable these days. Cause of they have no core beliefs.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:51 pm #
145 was to be after 143
Comment by Pablo on 11/26 @ 12:52 pm #
A dollop of intellectual honesty would fix that right up. I have a hard time seeing the goodness in people who are intelligent but not honest.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:52 pm #
This is why the Newsweek whores can smear their we are all socialists excrement all over our little country’s face and walk away laughing.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 12:53 pm #
“Cause of they have no core beliefs”
Which is too easily translated into “there is no truth”, we might say.
Comment by SBP on 11/26 @ 12:54 pm #
I honestly think they hurt their own cause.
Yeah, that’s why they’re in charge of both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
Don’t make excuses for these sleazeballs, hf.
Okay, I’m done. I shouldn’t be engaging in this kind of discussion today of all days anyway.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 12:58 pm #
that’s a good point but I think they lied a lot to get there… and the fall will be spectacular.
but there’s also the very real possibility that these ones will grow to reflect the values of a majority of people in our benighted little country
I miss Jeff.
Comment by Rusty on 11/26 @ 1:10 pm #
139.Comment by SBP on 11/26 @ 12:42 pm #
I don’t think people fall into good people bad people taxonomy very cooperatively.
I think people that call others racists with no justification whatsoever are definitely bad people.
I think they’ve been fed that and they’re too intellectually lazy to question it. It is most appalling in people with degrees who should know better but it just leads me to believe that you don’t have to be all that gifted to get a graduate degree because some of those people are just bone stupid when it comes to life an logic an reason an shit.
Comment by Darleen on 11/26 @ 1:23 pm #
“…the political and the scientific and the religious are of a piece now…”
That what the Left wants to make the narrative in service to their ideology.
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 1:46 pm #
I’m skeptical as to whether it is quite that simple Darleen.
Not to say that the circumstance can’t possibly be a result of political ideology driving the bus, but on careful consideration it might just turn out to have come about in the reverse fashion, that the serious confusion of our efforts to understand our circumstances (vis a vis the political, the scientific and the religious) has resulted in driving the political ideology to the mistaken positions of the political left.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 1:49 pm #
they won though. Before Meghan’s coward daddy went down in flames I said we’re in big big trouble. We’re still in big big trouble. That’s definitely part of it, the triumph of the narrative of the left. But mostly it’s that they know the triumph is very very possible now.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 1:50 pm #
Americans are a lazy and stupid people what want something for nothing. There’s no little country ever what’s pissed away so much so fast.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/26 @ 1:51 pm #
some of that might could be the fever talking
Comment by sdferr on 11/26 @ 1:53 pm #
What sort of triumph is it that leaves one in possession of a great gob of half-baked propositions which can’t hold together in a semi decent rainstorm? Seems to me like a recipe for political disaster instead. I mean really, has Nancy Pelosi got a hold of the truth of the matter with regard to anything at all in the world? Not this century, I don’t think. Even with regard to what she may imagine is genuine political power, I believe she is in for some very nasty lessons, taking her point of view for the moment.
Comment by geoffb on 11/26 @ 2:29 pm #
I believe there are advantages and disadvantages to advancing an argument in the political or scientific or religious realms. Each has different strengths and weaknesses. What the Left is doing is an attempt to have the ability to use the strengths of each for themselves while forcing their opponents to have all the weaknesses.
I know this is an simply assertion at this time. I have to be at work in a half hour so I will have to leave it at that for the time being.
Comment by Noel on 11/27 @ 5:38 am #
Coercing people to swear fealty to these Politically Correct leftist creeds are like the patriotic loyalty oaths of the McCarthy era in reverse; “Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Republican Party…?”
Comment by Noel on 11/27 @ 5:41 am #
and doubtlessly illegal under the Civil Rights Act.
Comment by civil rights are rights for me on 11/27 @ 2:41 pm #
“and doubtlessly illegal under the Civil Rights Act.”
Or not.
Trackback by Maggie's Farm on 11/27 @ 3:57 pm #
Friday evening tab dump…
Noonan: “No one seems to love Mr. Obama now”
Fred Barnes: Why Obama Isn’t Changing Washington. One quote:
One insight distinguished Barack Obama from the other presidential
candidates last year. While he lacked experience or a special gra…
Comment by pdbuttons on 11/27 @ 11:45 pm #
everybody loves bobby orr…
i do!
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 2:37 pm #
History isn’t as simple as you, JJ. What does any of that have to do with the original post? Please try to type your response in English.
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 2:38 pm #
What the hell just happened?
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 2:42 pm #
’twas a knife flash B Moe. Skinning an assertion monkey.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 4:28 pm #
B moe: Did you read the original post – the one about American principles? The one about how teaching kids about things that seem oh so radical around here (like race and class and gender). Well, is the Constitution – that document with the 3/5/ compromise (to say nothing of excluding women from the vote) among the documents that embody American values? Or are we concerned with the founding creed of “all men are created equal”? And how would we think about the discrepancy between the two if we don’t think about, say, race? Simple questions. No one around here seems interested in them though. Too much whining going on – You know: “Oh woe is me! I am soooo oppresed by the liberals and the pc-crowd ….” and that sort of thing.
Of course, my earlier comment seems to fallen prey to the censor’s axe … but I’d antocopated your highminded retort re: typos …
Comment by SBP on 11/28 @ 4:32 pm #
Bye, JJ.
Of course, my earlier comment seems to fallen prey to the censor’s axe
Hint: that would be because you are both stupid and intellectually dishonest.
Comment by SBP on 11/28 @ 4:33 pm #
Here’s another hint, JJ: it’s called a “topic”. Try to stay on it.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 4:35 pm #
Fucking racist skin flute players.
Comment by SBP on 11/28 @ 4:36 pm #
Oh, it’s Guitar Hero/Trade School Boy again?
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 4:40 pm #
” If you believe in American principles …” Let me see SRP, what might the TOPIC be? Darlene seems to be presuming that she knows what the principles are. I was just asking.
I’ll ignore “stupid” as a lapse on your part, as for “intellectually dishonest”, I suppose that means not in goose step (oops, I meant lockstep) with the bloggers views? I posed a question. I guess that is out of line.
Comment by SBP on 11/28 @ 4:43 pm #
Not nearly as noisy in here as it was a couple of minutes ago.
Snicker.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 4:55 pm #
JJ – after proving yourself to be aggressively and serially dishonest, and commenting in bad faith, why should you be taken seriously? Scorn and derision is all you have proven yourself worthy of.
Comment by Minnesota Board of Teaching on 11/28 @ 5:00 pm #
You ask too many questions, shut up and do as you are told.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 5:11 pm #
Oh JD, don’t give away the game. Scorn and derision for anyone who dares disagree with you? That is why no one takes right wingers seriously. It is just that you require everyone to be PC … ooops, that is what you’re afraid of.
Simple question: just how have I been “aggresively and serially dishonest”? A simple example will do. Or is that asking too much?
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 5:13 pm #
JD: a PS – “bad faith”? I simply asked a question. Why not see that as engaging in discussion?
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:18 pm #
You do not simply “ask a question”. You distort the intent of the post and the comments, and claim you are deleted for disagreeing with everyone. I do not have admin privileges, but people who are deleted are usually being serial trolls, posting standard Leftist blather under multiple names or using proxies. At any rate, your bad faith is evident to any sentient being. Go back to playing the skin flute.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 5:32 pm #
JD: You write – “but people who are deleted are usually being serial trolls, posting standard Leftist blather under multiple names or using proxies.”
Sorry you must be thinking of someone else.
You write: “You distort the intent of the post and the comments, and claim you are deleted for disagreeing with everyone.”
The initial post starts out talking about “American principles” as though these are self-evident. I asked what that might mean. And then I was deleted. You figure it out.
And by the way – you’ll note that you provide not a single example of intellectual dishonesty. Not one JD. Just more accusations and red herrings.
In the law or in science the QED appears at this point.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 5:33 pm #
JD – another PS: A homophobic retort is ALWAYS effective. Nicely done.
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 5:37 pm #
Read the rest of the post, moron. The whole thing. Slowly. Then it might sink in that the point is you aren’t allowed to discuss there any of the things you are trying to discuss here.
The Minnesota Board of Teaching has decided all of this for us, and your only role is to recite back exactly what you are told. Does that really sound like an American Value of any era that you want to defend? Really?
Comment by Darleen on 11/28 @ 5:38 pm #
JJ aka JT
You have been a serial troll who finds it necessary to change names. Now why is that?
that certainly is “intellectual dishonest”. QED
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:41 pm #
HOMOPHOBE!!!RACIST!!!!
Your type is as predictable as the rising sun. The phrase “American principles” is used in the context of what the MN Board of Teaching is proposing. You choose to ignore that, as it does not reflect well on you and your ilk. You are not original or interesting. You are boilerplate leftist. And not very good, at that.
Comment by Darleen on 11/28 @ 5:41 pm #
JJ aka JT
btw you: The one about how teaching kids about things that seem oh so radical around here (like race and class and gender).
that is NOT what the post is about, dear. Try reading what is actually WRITTEN.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:42 pm #
Thanks, darleen. I suspected as much. Now, JJ, who is the dishonest one, bitch?
Comment by Darleen on 11/28 @ 5:43 pm #
fairwarning, JJ/JT
either start responding in a reasonable, good-faith, way or I will be deleting your troll droppings.
that is you ONLY warning. Falling on proggie race/sex- card trope is unacceptable.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:51 pm #
That is all JJ/JT/etal have got, Darleen. Take the racist/sexist/homophobe/xenophobe/misogynist card away from that type, and they become a practical mute.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 5:55 pm #
Yo Darlene, dear, I have posted here ONLY under my current name/address. Go check. If you think I am someone else (earlier some Jeff was equated to JT, I am neither), you are making a mistake. Sorry. AND, before yesterday I’d never been here before.
The initial post is about teaching prospective teachers – I refer to college students as, well, kids. Is that confusing?
JD: I never called anyone a racist. I don’t think I used the word, in fact. As for (your words) “playing the skin flute” – I guess that is because you find that an erotic turn on? or is it simple homophobic blather?
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:57 pm #
You are also more dense than lead.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 5:58 pm #
HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!! Good Allah.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 6:02 pm #
Oh JD, how would you describe your interventions? As articulate? As open-minded? I am baffled, not because I am “dense as lead” but because you seem do mistake bluster and lather for discussion and argument. I guess my mistake is to keep waiting for a reason or a mpeice of evidence or an example.
Comment by JD on 11/28 @ 6:07 pm #
I have no intention of having an “honest discussion” with you, as you have shown yourself to be incapable of same. Thanks for the laugh, that was rich. You came here to call names, either overtly with the homophobe bullshit, or in that pasive-aggressive manner the leftists so dearly lurv. Either way, this idea that you wish to engage in an “honest discussion” is not born out by your words, or rather, your sophistry and mendoucheous behavior.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 6:13 pm #
JD: Iposted a question. I called no one any name. (Go look …) I was told by YOU top “go back to playing the skin flute” (you’d already introduced that lovely image earlier). When I called you on it you act all self-righteous and sanctimonious. What a joke.
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 6:19 pm #
And yet this:
Now how the hell do you put those two things together and still maintain you haven’t a prejudice on display?
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 6:25 pm #
sdfer – easy enough … there is a LONG thread here that I read prior to commenting. Is that confusing?
And, just a question: who here as NO prejudice, no point of view? SUrely not you.
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 6:29 pm #
“Is that confusing?”
What’s with the rhetorical question, moron? Or is that just you assuming I’m as stupid as you are?
There are real human beings here you step in to judge without taking the least trouble to get to know any of them, let alone what it is they are concerned with or are interested in. Their lives are every bit as complex and varied as you may imagine yours to be.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 6:37 pm #
You distort the intent of the post and the comments, and claim you are deleted for disagreeing with everyone.Oor fellow. You ash HOW THE HELL I can do something that turns out to be pretty simple. And you what … apologize? No, you get huffy about my allegedly being impolite.
I read a post. I read the comment thread. I posed some questions. ANd what else am I supposed to do to get to know you … ask for baby pictures and home towns? Stop whining.
I’ve not said anything about your life or how complex and varied it might be. What gives with the over-reaction?
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 6:44 pm #
Read your own first comment JJ. What are you trying to say there if not that you find the commenters here at PW guilty of your charges against them, and if that’s not what you are trying to say, why would you write this? [emphasis added, typos corrected]
You don’t know any of this about the people here. You assert it about them.
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 6:45 pm #
Does that sentence make sense to you JJ?
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 7:39 pm #
B Moe, we seem to have a person in JJ who can’t tell the difference between someone whining and someone slapping JJ in the face with JJ’s own ignorance.
But as is said, it takes all kinds to make a stew.
Oh, and just so it’s on the record, I don’t happen to spend the random Thursday afternoon thinking about the 3/5ths compromise, since it, its effects and the ideas that necessitated it have been mooted by the American Civil War, the deaths of over 600,000 of our ancestors, the Emancipation Proclamation, Amendment 13, Amendment 14, Amendment 15 and Amendment 24, to say nothing of the many pieces of legislation intended to accomplish much the same effect.
On the other hand, I do recall having spent an inordinate amount of time in my life puzzling over the meaning of the concept of racism and the misanthropy it engenders. Race itself, when we examine the idea in detail, is fraught with all sorts of nasty equivocations such as to render it near meaningless. Still, clingers will what clingers want.
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 8:03 pm #
B Moe: I understand the words but not the relevance.
sdfer: Oh so tough with the slapping! Is that meant to be impressive? scary? … what?
I live in rural western NY where my neighbors farm the land, own guns, and attend church. And in my daily interactions with them the sort of complaints that animate Darlene’s post – the hand wringing about how concern for racial and gender and class prejudice somehow is inconsistent with “American principles” – never appear. Never. But we are just regular god-fearing folks. You may not like it but that is the way the world is where I come from. So it just might be possible to believe in American principles and still think teachers ought to know about the discrepancies between what we preach and what we practice. (Hence the reference to the 3/5 compromise and the Constitution as carriers of American principles.) Darlene seems to think otherwise. I have no idea what you think since all you manage to do is call names and whine (oh! I forgot you’re ’slapping’ me! ouch! You are such a brute!).
When I said ‘out there’ I referenced Minnesota (where the initial post referenced) and Colorado where the blog-keeper acknowledges living. Defensive much? Simple words seem to get your knickers in a knot.
Racism and sexism and homophobia are not used to describe anyone in what I wrote. They are things (among many other) that my commitment to ‘American principles’ lead me (and many others) to oppose. I don’t see why you seem to find that so difficult to fathom.
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 8:33 pm #
I’m content to assert slapping of you where you are content to assert whining of me. Seems only fair by my lights. I don’t believe I’ve called you any names other than moron, and that only in response to your insulting rhetorical, so, meh.
Ah, so it was only Darleen that you were addressing with your first comment and not anyone else? That is an easy thing to make plain so as to avoid anyone mistaking your intent. When you fail to name your addressee, it isn’t unusual that you’ll be taken to be addressing anyone and everyone. Further, you may choose to reinterpret your original comment to include Minnesota or Colorado (though what Colorado has to do with anything is another question, seeing as Darleen lives in Southern California) where it didn’t to begin with, that’s fine. But again, just write Minnesota or Colorado rather than “out there”, out there being as it is, so indistinct as to mean practically anywhere other than where you come from, wherever that may be.
Finally, do you somehow believe that because Darleen is opposed to a narrow politically ideological program governing the selection of teachers that she is therefore opposed to teaching against racial prejudice or sexual prejudice? That seems silly on its face, but hey, such an interpretation of Darleen’s intent only bollixes up your understanding of the world, not hers.
Comment by Darleen on 11/28 @ 8:50 pm #
So it just might be possible to believe in American principles and still think teachers ought to know about the discrepancies between what we preach and what we practice
You are posting from a University computer and I am to believe you actually read the POLITICAL litmus test the Univ. of Minn. wants to impose on every teacher in the state – that the American dream is myth, that finding success on one’s own merit is impossible, that if one is [name Left-approved minority du jour] then you cannot ever make it on your talent because EVIL AMERICAN WHITE MALE is out to get you and, oh yes, teachers will have to create, sign and file self-incriminating declarations — is merely teaching kids the difference between reach and grasp?
What.the.fuck.
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 8:55 pm #
You are really hung up on that whole 3/5s thing, huh? You know how that came about?
Comment by JJ on 11/28 @ 9:04 pm #
Stunning the group think here. All you non-ideologues quivering in fear that the University panel will impose limits on teachers. What,the.fcuk! In a state with republican legislators galore that will easily be implemented …. Imagine Michelle Bachman and her ilk sitting around while the thought police rounded up all the non-compliant teachers and dragged them off to re-educaiton camps. Dark paranoid fantasies those.
And sdfer – Darlene’s whining retort here is case in point. She seems more worried about where my computer is located than anything I’ve actually said. Seems a lot like you fella.
This is a truly pathetic bunch. Bye!
Comment by Darleen on 11/28 @ 9:08 pm #
All you non-ideologues quivering in fear that the University panel will impose limits on teachers
you’re ducking, JJ. Did you not read the links? If someone did not bring this to the media, do you think the U of Minn would NOT impose it? This isn’t fantasy.
You have yet to answer one relevant question addressed to you (and you continue to misspell my name). Either you are a Univ student or an academic yet seem strangely obsessed with changing the subject over a political litmus test for teachers.
so, yes…BYE. You never came in good faith.
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 9:10 pm #
Certainly we wouldn’t want future educators of Minnesota to be familiar with the political philosophy of the likes of Thomas Hobbes, Montesquieu, Locke, Smith and Hume when they can be in thrall to the likes of you JJ. That would be so much better, I’ve no doubt.
Comment by SBP on 11/28 @ 10:02 pm #
Either you are a Univ student or an academic
I would guess a grad student in one of the Angry Studies departments. The smug ignorance, the inability to form or respond to a rational argument, and the pitiful social isolation evinced by posting from a dorm room on a holiday weekend are definitive.
Unlikely that you’d find a faculty member posting from campus on a holiday weekend; they’ve all jetted to Aspen, where they’re discussing their solidarity with the oppressed working class while munching canapes and drinking fine wines.
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 10:29 pm #
The group think here?
How fucking low have admission standards gotten in NY?
Comment by sdferr on 11/28 @ 10:32 pm #
GOLLY DAWGS! Where the heck did that come from?
Comment by B Moe on 11/28 @ 10:35 pm #
Don’t know, that was a butt ugly game. Finally came down to who wanted to lose it the worst, I think.
Comment by geoffb on 11/28 @ 10:56 pm #
And this one goes out to all those suffering JJs out there in dorms across the nation. Sam Cooke, they broke that mold.
Comment by Rusty on 11/29 @ 8:10 am #
Well, is the Constitution – that document with the 3/5/ compromise (to say nothing of excluding women from the vote) among the documents that embody American values? Or are we concerned with the founding creed of “all men are created equal”? And how would we think about the discrepancy between the two if we don’t think about, say, race? Simple questions.
All of the same cloth my friend. If you examine closely how the three fifths of a person got in there you’d see that it was a northerners attempt to get a subclass of people in the south recognized as “people”.Legally it places them a step ahead of just being chattel. All people are created equal. That does not mean there is an equality of outcomes, but before the law they are treated equally. Unlike some members of the Obama administration who seem to believe that the tax laws are for “little people”.
Currently I’m liking the original requirements to be able to vote. Owning property. It would certainly keep 52% of the voting population comprised of idiots from voting in a spectacularly unqualified, immoral, douchbag.
“Race” in your lexicon means african americans. right?
Comment by MissJean on 12/1 @ 2:32 pm #
The proposal is like a suicide pact between the task force and the college of education. What students in their right mind want to create a list of their “sins” for posterity (with a strong likelihood that years later, a work-study clerk at the university will accidentally make it public)? If word gets out, the damage may be done anyway, and prospective students will cross the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities off the list and go elsewhere. Something similar happened in Michigan, where many students will get their undergraduate degrees from prestigious universities, then get their certification through Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Wayne State, etc. – universities with reputations for turning out excellent teachers, not demagogues.
Also, teachers today need for their degrees to be portable, so they can transfer to states with teacher shortages. Are schools in South Carolina or Texas going to consider teachers from a known indoctrination program? Not hardly.