It has become quite evident that the case for Anthropogenic Global Warming transmogrified from science to ideology and politics quite a while ago.
So, it may appear, for what constitutes “persistent vegetative state”
A man thought by doctors to be in a vegetative state for 23 years was actually conscious the whole time, it was revealed last night.Student Rom Houben was misdiagnosed after a car crash left him totally paralysed.
He had no way of letting experts, family or friends know he could hear every word they said.
‘I screamed, but there was nothing to hear,’ said Mr Houben, now 46.
Doctors used a range of coma tests, recognised worldwide, before reluctantly concluding that his consciousness was ‘extinct’.
But three years ago, new hi-tech scans showed his brain was still functioning almost completely normally. [...]
Dr Laureys’s new study claims that patients classed as in a vegetative state are often misdiagnosed.
‘Anyone who bears the stamp of “unconscious” just one time hardly ever gets rid of it again,’ he said.The doctor, who leads the Coma Science Group and Department of Neurology at Liege University Hospital, found Mr Houben’s brain was still working by using state-of-the-art imaging.
He plans to use the case to highlight what he considers may be similar examples around the world.
Which is going to be really inconvenient for these people:
Supporters of euthanasia and assisted suicide argue that people who have lain in persistent vegetative states for years should be given the opportunity to have crucial medical support withdrawn because of the ‘indignity’ of their condition.
Opportunity for whom?
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 9:55 am #
Imagine being that guy and having “do gooders” start arguing you should have your feeding tube removed. Wouldn’t that be special?
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 9:57 am #
Terry Schiavo could not be reached for comment.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 10:02 am #
As for global warming/climate change/al gore’s madoff plan…
Yes there is a man made component to CO2 and yes it has an impact on climate (albeit a lot smaller than Goracle would have you think).
No it is not the end of the world, regardless of Al Gore singing about melting polar caps–things are not as catastrophic as portrayed and the fact is we really cannot stop CO2 production right now. Even if the US dropped CO2 by 50% (devastating our economy), China and India would pick up the slack and exceed it.
Given all the other problems we have, throwing trillions at climate change is insane.
And oh btw a rising economy helps the environment.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 10:03 am #
More wingNazi anti-science life pron. Great.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 10:07 am #
… and speaking of settled science and Teh Narrative™, which is wrapped in Kevlar and encased in steel and ceramic plates making it impervious to skepticism…
Despite all of the stories circulating about lack of warming over the last ten years and the E-Mails between true
believersscientists searching for ways to throttle opposing views … the AP continues to spew unthinking dogma.PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HOCKEY STICK BEHIND THE E-MAILS!!
(h/t Hot Air)
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 10:12 am #
When I can start growing tomatos in December and January and planting a grove of coconut palms in say, Virginia, let me know. Last time I chekced those coconut palms still do not do well north of Palm Beach. Otherwise, all I can say it is feels pretty fucking cold.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 10:14 am #
I know more than a few people who are in a “persistent vegetative state”. Some of them even have blogs.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 10:16 am #
A truly horrific story that reminds me of a short story I read once…But I can’t remember the title.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 10:24 am #
There, in that dreaming lies the story I’m guessing. Both the story Mr Houben might tell and the story about human consciousness waiting to be learned.
Comment by Matt on 11/23 @ 10:25 am #
Bob, I think King did a short story about a person being autopsied while alive.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 10:34 am #
meya, in case you missed it this occurred in England, under the UK’s fan-effin-tastic national health care that many in America want us to emulate, but are not willing to admit aloud due to the fact that they would then have to own it’s shortcomings as well…
Valiant attempt at snark, especially the Trumbo reference. Did RD suggest that part, or the devastating irony of capping damage awards combined it?
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 10:35 am #
Like King’s story where a doctor ran out of food on some island so he started amputating parts of his own body and eating them. Or was King reporting on Michigan’s economy? I can’t keep it straight anymore.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 10:36 am #
“…this occurred in England…”
Um, Bob, looks more like Belgium to me.
Comment by Mr. W on 11/23 @ 10:41 am #
This is all part of a confluence of events that even some of the true believers on the left are starting to sense is leading to disaster for Dems.
These AGW scam emails, the Orwellian ‘healthcare’ bill, the expensive suit taking up space in the Oval office, they are all symptomatic of a ruling class spinning out of control in a haze of fake money and mandates.
One by one they could be dealt with by the Government Approved Media, but this White House has proven to be a veritable factory for the production of bad policy. Even the circa 1973 New York Times and all three networks couldn’t cover-up for this level of incompetence.
(extended metaphor alert)
Some of the first class passengers (Et tu, Chris Matthews?) on the doomed Democrat ocean liner are beginning to notice the giant icebergs, but it seems the ship of state, and it’s crew of overpaid bureaucrats, has too much momentum. It is no longer a question of if the Good Ship Karl Marx sinks, it’s just a question of when they throw captain Obama to the sharks.
The only tragedy is that the American People are locked in steerage.
Comment by SDN on 11/23 @ 10:44 am #
meya, the damage caps (at least in TX) are for non-economic damages such as pain and suffering. The doctor will pay to get the actual damage fixed, but it removes the opportunity for John Edwards to channel dead babies in the courtroom.
But of course you knew that.
Comment by SDN on 11/23 @ 10:45 am #
Oh, and Darleen, the Viagra ad seems to attach itself to the last post and follow the replacements instead of lingering on each one.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/23 @ 11:04 am #
Darleen cannot do anything about the spam.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:15 am #
Won’t we have to wait and see what sort of economy he generates? That is, how well does his forthcoming book do, how much economy can his doctors stir up on the heels of his case, how do the study grants flow, etc. At this point, these will all be close to quantifiable over time. Whereas, taken as a measure of economic damages from the day before he was hypothetically plug-pulled two years ago, say, to the day after, you’ld be left with a big fat zero, no?
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 11:38 am #
Hush, SFAG.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:44 am #
Of course not, why would I think that?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/23 @ 11:44 am #
I keep forgetting: what’s “SFAG” stand for?
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 11:50 am #
Stupid Fascist Anti-Semitic Girl.
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 11:51 am #
Oh, and in case her butt-boy alter ego Rilly Dumb is out there, waiting to take me to task for posting on a “work day”: I’m taking some vacation time this week.
You see, some of us have jobs that actually have paid vacations.
Oh, and I don’t have to wear a hair net, either.
Sux 2BU, Rilly.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 11:57 am #
And you can’t see the nearly unique opportunity to ask the question presented in this case? You are indeed very special.
Comment by dicentra on 11/23 @ 12:06 pm #
Yes there is a man-made component to CO2 and yes it has an impact on climate
What exactly is the impact, Sparky? Do you know, or are you just making “reasonable” consessions to the alarmists? Because of smoke being caused by fire and all? Because you can’t believe that so many scientists could be so blinkered?
A few months back, Richard Lindzen of MIT found out, through 20 years of measurement, that the more heat you have beneath the “blanket” of CO2, the more heat radiates into space. The amount of CO2 in the “blanket” doesn’t seem to matter much.
Which is exactly the opposite of what these East Anglia CRU pukes predicted.
Opposite. As in contrary to. As in the measurements don’t conform to the hypothesis.
Don’t give concessions where they’re not merited. This is a good example of where not to do that.
Comment by Squid on 11/23 @ 12:08 pm #
“…the nearly unique opportunity to ask the question presented in this case?”
I’m thinking the question is “Can you tell the difference between PW’s favorite trolls and somebody in a persistent vegetative state?” The answer, I’m thinking, is Yes. Because the comatose don’t embarrass themselves with easily refuted lies and non-sequiturs the way our trolls do.
Comment by dicentra on 11/23 @ 12:09 pm #
Also, “hide the decline” tees are available here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/wear_the_decline/
along with some nifty links.
Christmas came early this year.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 12:12 pm #
Hey, dicentra, didn’t I see that on another thread? ;-)
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 12:13 pm #
Quite right sdferr, It was in Belgium. I’m unsure why I typed “England” earlier, perhaps it was due to the story being printed in the “Daily Mail”.
Just goes to show that one shouldn’t get so “en fuego” before intaking the required amount of coffee; lest it lead to an embarrassing error…
My apologies to all
Comment by Mr. W on 11/23 @ 12:19 pm #
Global temps? Obama’s approval numbers? GDP? Respect for America? Employment?
Hide the decline!
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 12:20 pm #
This is more an indictment of the health care this dude was getting than anything else. How in the fuck could he go over twenty years with no one noticing he could focus his eyes?
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 12:20 pm #
No biggie Bob. A more pertinent detail omitted by the article might turn out to be whether Mr Houben-now-46 dreamed in Dutch, French, German, some combination of two of these or all three.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 12:29 pm #
Ex-post Trans-peril-ency. More better cheery Fridays.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 12:37 pm #
Notice how many trollish types disappear when meya gets deleted?
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 12:40 pm #
Huh, JD, until you brought it up I have to confess I hadn’t seen that meya was deleted. So much for my powers of observation I guess.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 12:54 pm #
TRANSCENDENT IRONY MOMENT!!!
New York times “dot earth” columnist won’t quote directly from hacked E-Mails because … wait for it … THEY WERE ACQUIRED ILLEGALLY!!11ELEVENTY!!11
Classified documents? Not so much …
THIS HAS BEEN YOUR TRANSCENDENT IRONY MOMENT!!
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 12:56 pm #
And yet…mistakes made with capital punishment are no reason to considering stopping executions.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 1:06 pm #
STFU, alphie/snotnose/parsnip/sniffles/Neville/monkeyboy/actus. Now, dance, bitch !
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/23 @ 1:07 pm #
The Master of Irrelevancy speaks!
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 1:08 pm #
sdferr – It looks like “HT” got deleted, which took meya and RD along for the same fate.
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 1:09 pm #
At about the time murderers stop to think “mistakes are made” and cease to do murder, people wanting to punish murderers with death will find themselves unwilling to go forward with such punishments.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 1:13 pm #
10% OF ALL PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW ARE INNOCENT !!!!!
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/23 @ 1:30 pm #
And yet…mistakes made with capital punishment are no reason to considering stopping executions.
Name one….
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 1:55 pm #
Is Snowcone actually Gordo? I get the feeling there is some Gordo madness involved in all of this.
Comment by Darrell on 11/23 @ 2:27 pm #
This situation vividly demonstrates why medically assisted suicide, if it is ever legalized, must be restricted to terminally ill people who have explicitly and repeatedly requested it.
However, it does not convince me that such people should be denied that right.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 2:45 pm #
Do you know what I just realized?
The AGW types assume that the Sun is not variable.
IT CAN’T BE, otherwise the CO2 assumption goes right out the window.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 2:47 pm #
“Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 12:56 pm #
And yet…mistakes made with capital punishment are no reason to considering stopping executions.”
Someone call We B Trolls.
This one is defective.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 2:48 pm #
“This situation vividly demonstrates why medically assisted suicide, if it is ever legalized, must be restricted to terminally ill people who have explicitly and repeatedly requested it.”
And snowcone.
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 2:57 pm #
It’s just a conspiracy
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/energy/2009/11/22/warmings-impacts-sped-up-worsened-since-kyoto.html?s_cid=rss:warmings-impacts-sped-up-worsened-since-kyoto
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:04 pm #
Where do you think they got there temp info Mike? AGW did nothing to thaw the thick frozen coating of your brain did it?
But by all means go back to your liturgy.
Praise Gore from whom all blessings flow
Praise Gore who fights for ice and snow
He puts the 2 behind C O
Praise all who just don’t need to know. Ahhhhhh man!
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:07 pm #
Shorter AP article linked by Mike T: “It’s all about the CO2, bitches!”
.. and yet, Mike T., so many scientists are flummoxed by the lack of warming over the last ten years despite those very same egregious increases in the plant food.
Take a moment to reread the AP article and then wrap your head around the difference between “Self indulgent assertion” and “measurable scientific evidence.”
Comment by mcgruder on 11/23 @ 3:07 pm #
Snowcone,
you know I would respect you more if you could threadjack this a stock-market trading acumen string.
still, points for bringing up capital punishment
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 3:10 pm #
It’s just a conspiracy
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-climate-cartagena22-2009nov22,0,7731005.story
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 3:14 pm #
What point would that be, mcgruder?
Comment by Mike on 11/23 @ 3:18 pm #
It’s just a conspiracy!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-climate-cartagena22-2009nov22,0,7731005.story
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:18 pm #
Yea, Mike T because higher tides are only caused by climate change … nothing else … nope, no other processes in nature.
Does the Goracle require a carbon tithe from his Gorons?
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:19 pm #
Remember, Climate Change is twice as true if you post it twice.
Well done, Mike T.!
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:22 pm #
“The projections are based on assumptions generally accepted by the scientific community and do not include the cataclysmic effects of possible advanced ice melting in the Antarctic or Greenland,” said co-author economist John Nash.
I’ll get my boat.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 3:22 pm #
Gordo (aka Snowcone) the kid from Outerspace!
Gordo*, the troll from Outer Space,
Gordo can go, go any place,
With dogshit on his heels,
Bluetooth in his ears,
He’s the Philippina mail bride loser
from a strange retarded race,
Gordo, the troll from Outer Space.
Gordo!!
* you can substitute Snowcone, meya, or RD in there too. It is all the same.
Comment by dicentra on 11/23 @ 3:22 pm #
en fuego = In fire
I know, I know. No rules for proper Spanglish.
But ftr, the word is “encendido/a.” And I have no idea if they use it colloquially the way we use “on fire.”
Hey, dicentra, didn’t I see that on another thread? ;-)
No. NO! I HATE spam. Too salty.
Praise Gore from whom all blessings flow
Praise Gore who fights for ice and snow
He puts the 2 behind C O
Praise all who just don’t need to know. Ahhhhhh man!
Heh.
Comment by dicentra on 11/23 @ 3:25 pm #
That photo of Cartagena: there’s water there, but where did it come from? From rising sea levels or a recent thunderstorm?
And it’s not a “conspiracy,” it’s a bandwagon. Recruiting is much easier that way.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:25 pm #
Greenland won’t mean squat to ocean levels. The Arctic floats on water so no dice there (hey, Mike T., any idea why the vikings named it Greenland?) Antarctica’s ice is at record high levels so …
What now, Mike T.?
“The projections are based on assumptions generally accepted by the scientific community…”
Well there’s your problem!
Comment by Danger on 11/23 @ 3:26 pm #
So let me get this straight. Exposing the Swift Program, Rendition, NSA wiretaps and Sarah Palin’s hacked e-mails = acceptable
But reporting on evidence of a hoax supported by fraudulant claims that is being used to justify Fascist governmental controls = UNETHICAL
FUCK YOU, NEW YORK TIMES! SIDEWAYS WITH A SWORDFISH!!!! Your little propaganda program is risking American Lives but you don’t give a damn do you? Well here is something you should consider. Some day soon it will be your ass on the line and their is a limit to the ability of the Armed Forces and police to protect your sorry asses This time you won’t be able to blame BOOOOOSSSSHHH. THE NEXT ONE IS ALL ON YOU!
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:26 pm #
Onward climate soldiers,
Marching off to war.
With the lib consensus,
Everyone is poor.
Al our royal master
Helps to stem the seas.
Help him heat his mansion when Nashville starts to freeze.
Comment by dicentra on 11/23 @ 3:27 pm #
Correction:
After reading the #$^& article, I see that the water comes from higher-than-normal tides.
Which may or may not come from rising sea levels. The moon has a vote, too.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 3:28 pm #
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 3:10 pm #
I can just see Mikey, eyes closed, fodling his tail saying “I do believe in spooks I do believe in spooks”
But I guess that’s what happens when your entire philosophy is crashing in ruins around your ears.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:29 pm #
Dicentra,
You never know, I may have been standing “in fire” :) But seriously, I’m only functionally conversational in spanish, not truly literate-so you got me there…
Heck some times I doubt my literacy at all!
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 3:30 pm #
Sorry, that’s me, I decided to change my username
-N. O’Brain
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:32 pm #
Danger,
I concur completely, they won’t reprint hacked e-mails that represent inconvenient truths that rebut the snake oil they’ve peddled for years because they weren’t intended for public view; but they have no problem with documents pertaining to national security…
Effin’ hypocrites all the way…
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:32 pm #
I think your Spanish is mucho beano Bob.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:33 pm #
Wait, dicentra … you mean higher than normal tides could be causes … BY THE MOON?!?!?
I thought CO2 was the mighty supervillian of chemistry in it’s all encompassing ability to effect climate all across the world.
In addition to being plant food, of course.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:33 pm #
Great song lyrics al!
OT, but I thought some might enjoy it. http://powip.com/2009/11/an-uplifting-photo-spread/
/shameless pimping
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:34 pm #
alpuccino is “en fuego” with his lyrics, I think.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:39 pm #
alpuccino is “en fuego” with his lyrics, I think.
I’ve had my vaccinations.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:40 pm #
Thanks al, or should I say, grassy-ass…
Comment by Danger on 11/23 @ 3:41 pm #
Hard to maintain a constistant rage with this crew ;^)
Better hit the hay, Hasta La Vista me buenos
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 3:44 pm #
Hasty banana to you el Danger. Be safe.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:45 pm #
Thanks al, or should I say, grassy-ass…
No probiscum
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:47 pm #
That’s right Danger,
While the nutroots stoke Outrage!, faux or otherwise, here at PW we engage in more of a focusing of anger in constructive ways-kind of like rage-abatement…
Banda de los Bomberos!
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 3:47 pm #
I felt your little swordfish dissertation was very heartfelt Danger. I wasn’t getting “rage” at all. Keep your head on a swivel bro.
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 3:56 pm #
#53 The link you provide has a photo that is not from Cartagena, but from Cuidad Panama, Panama. The flooding is a more or less common problem due to time of year, wind, tide and freshwater runoff.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 3:58 pm #
Busted and pwn3d Mike T; thanks Gulermo…
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 4:00 pm #
But it’s got to be Cartegena, Gulermo! Mike posted it twice!!
You no love Teh Earth. ;-)
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 4:00 pm #
Yeah. That was sweet. More stupidity please MikeT! It’s hilarious. You’re like your own little Jerry Springer show. Idiots watch you to feel better about themselves.
Comment by Mike on 11/23 @ 4:04 pm #
I guess the Navy is on the bandwagon too:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11/in-nod-to-global-warming-navy-prepares-for-ice-free-arctic/
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 4:05 pm #
I won’t guess as to the origin of the photo, but I have stood on the exact spot in that photo. Beautiful place, but hotter than the un-greased hubs of Hades.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 4:07 pm #
Shhh guys. This is the part where Mike finds out he’s not the baby-daddy of the really fat chick who wears clothes that are 3 sizes too small. And then Mike fake charges her, but waits for the security guys to stop him so he doesn’t get his butt kicked.
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 4:09 pm #
I guess it must be true. I read it somewhere on the internet.
Comment by Barcky on 11/23 @ 4:09 pm #
Felicia Cinco del Quatro, Bob.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 4:11 pm #
Mikey – You really are a fucking imbecile. Another one of your troll buddies already tried that Navy one here. Good Allah.
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 4:13 pm #
Would we ever have imagined that science denial would become political?
I guess it’s not surprising when you look at which political ideology tends to reject evolution, believes in resurrection fables, and tries to push their religion into schools and law. I think we should call this ideology what it is: “unintelligent design”
It’s all really just a conspiracy.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hplptq9wxlp5eCDFL2Mv5A_H6bcwD9C5EC7O1
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 4:14 pm #
Mikey, the Navy (and the military in general) prepare for every possible contingency. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a plan for invading the Vatican, just in case.
Of course you won’t respond, since you are a drive-by copy-paste link troll.
Hint: Wired, the L.A. Times, and USA Today are not what most of us around these parts consider when we think of sources of scientific evidence. Just so you know.
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 4:15 pm #
BTW, Mikey, if you’ve ever studied any real science in your life I would be amazed.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 4:15 pm #
You just cannot quit us, can you? How is the skin flute doing, willie?
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 4:16 pm #
I guess it’s not surprising when you look at which political ideology tends to reject evolution
I don’t think you’ll find all that many people who reject evolution here.
Maybe we should at which side still believes in Marxism, despite it having accomplished nothing but killing 100 million or so people.
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 4:17 pm #
Oh, it’s Mr. Julliard.
Yes, lots of study of differential equations and stochastic processes there, I’m sure.
Comment by Makewi on 11/23 @ 4:18 pm #
Here you go Mike, because a plan at the DoD means that shit is goin down. Take it to the bank amigo.
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 4:18 pm #
Yo “Mikey”: some of us here have advanced degrees in real sciences and/or engineering.
Being a guitar teacher at Backwoods U does not qualify you to even have an opinion on this subjec.t
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 4:19 pm #
Mike,
To begin with, the Navy plans for all sorts of contingencies. Second, the Arctic has been Ice free in years past as well, I’ve seen photos from 1967 of two subs rendezvousing at the geopgraphic north pole…on the surface.
And finally, the only ones in this discussion that are denying science and makingit political are hacks like yourself who are trying to defend the indefensible; CRU’s intentional rigging of results…
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 4:24 pm #
Here’s some backup
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/09/was-2007-arctic-ice-really-a-historic-minimum/
http://www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm
There’s pictures as well as writing; so it won’t be so hard on your little grey cells…
No thanks necessary
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 4:25 pm #
A funny Althouse site comment:
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 4:25 pm #
I fought it guys but #91 has me convinced. Mike is Obama.
Comment by JHo on 11/23 @ 4:27 pm #
There’s evidence the likes of which would rock your world, Mikey. Problem is you’ll have to go to it. Kinda liberal, that
Isn’t choice great?
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 4:38 pm #
It is like tag-team idiocy from the trolls today. Maybe Gordo and Chuckles Atkins will show up too.
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 4:39 pm #
#91 You do actually know where science is rooted? But, I am sure you know how everything works. Would you mind enlighting this un-intellectual? We can start with something that you believe is actual and observable. How about what causes virae to “evolve”. If you cut and paste you are wasting my time.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 4:44 pm #
I can imagine that you are gormless twit.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/23 @ 4:48 pm #
Playing the part of the man who likes to have his diaper changed will be RD.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 4:49 pm #
Second, the Arctic has been Ice free in years past as well, I’ve seen photos from 1967 of two subs rendezvousing at the geopgraphic north pole…on the surface.
Ahahahahaha,
Too funny.
Bob, if you can produce such a picture you’ve got my vote for Iron Wingnut!
Here’s a look in 1959:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Skate_%28SSN-578%29_surfaced_in_Arctic_-_1959.jpg
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 4:50 pm #
It is properly called skepticism, and it is at the heart of real science. Denialism is more akin to heresy, a rejection of faith, which is anathema to science.
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 4:51 pm #
I don’t think you’ll find all that many people who reject evolution here.
Behold the ignorance, the denial…
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/12/politics/main2917719.shtml
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/palin-evolution/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 4:51 pm #
You’ll have to explain the insult, RD.
After all, I know that you could not possibly understand the motivation of, say, the 20th Maine Volunteer Infantry Regiment during the Battle of Gettysburg.
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 4:52 pm #
To disprove subs have surfaced in the artic snowcone produces a picture of a sub surfacing in the artic.
Thick as a fucking brick.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 4:54 pm #
B. Moe,
*Especially* since that photo is also shown in Mr. Reed’s second link!
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 4:54 pm #
More like about 16″ thick, judging from the pictures B Moe. Heck, they’ve had thicker ice in New York Harbor.
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 4:54 pm #
He is pretty damn ignorant, you gotta give him that.
(hint: this site is called Protein Wisdom, that is what they mean by “here”)
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 4:56 pm #
MikeT, you *do* realize that none of us are Ms. Palin, don’t you?
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 4:56 pm #
You talking about the ice, or Snowcone’s skull?
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 4:56 pm #
Is some moonbat site having a contest for their regulars to see who can make the biggest asses of themselves today? MikeT is arguing with voices in his head, RD is babbling incoherently, and alphie is posting links that refute what it is claiming.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 4:56 pm #
When Obama first, at Ayers’ command,
Arose from out the Chicago main,
Arose, arose, arose from out the Chicago main,
This was the charter, the charter of the man,
And guardian media types sang this strain:
Rule Obama!
Power he does crave.
Republicans shaaaaaaaallllll become the slaves.
Rule Obama!
Taxes he does crave.
Taxpayers shaaaaaaallllll become the slaves.
The Nation, not so blest as he,
Must in its turn, to tyrant fall,
Must in ,must in, must in its turn, to tyrant fall,
While Obama shalt flourish, shalt flourish liberal cree,
The dread and fear of them all.
(Chorus)
Rule Obama!
Taxes he does crave.
Taxpayers shaaaaaaaallllll become the slaves.
Rule Obama!
Power he does crave.
Future generations shaaaaaaallllll become the slaves.
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 4:56 pm #
It’s just a conspiracy…
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20091005_Figure3.png
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 4:59 pm #
MikeT,
Read Mr. Reed’s second link. You *can* read, can’t you?
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:02 pm #
MikeT is aggressivelt estupido, no?
Comment by RD on 11/23 @ 5:02 pm #
The part of alppuccino will be played by Al Pacino.
Remember kids, every time you buy something from Walmart you are supporting Communism.
Comment by Jim in KC on 11/23 @ 5:04 pm #
Unless they’re doing so incognito, MikeT, none of those Republican presidential candidates nor Sarah Palin participate as part of the PW commentariat.
Kind of a loose definition of “here” that you’re working with, no?
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:08 pm #
RD is stuck in one of those self-perpetuating feedback loops.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 5:10 pm #
My goodness it’s a trifecta of trolling today, and I see meya has tagged RD for his turn in the ring…
Here’s more photos of subs at the pole:
http://www.joethornton.net/2009/04/north-pole-ice-in-1958-and-1959-some.html
Of course, I mis-spoke earlier when I mixed up 1987 with 1967. But a sparse or ice free pole is not a recent phenomenon…
Read the links and you’ll see. Of course, I haven’t first hand knowledge; since there isn’t much ice in the Persian Gulf and Medeterrainian-except in cool drinks!
Comment by Makewi on 11/23 @ 5:12 pm #
The trick is to have evolution mean a wide variety of things, that way you never really have to take a stance and can just pretend to be more enlightened. The sky is falling crowd has adopted this tactic for the term science as well.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 5:17 pm #
I wonder … if i ask nicely will mikeT/William Yelverton whip out a lute and play me the dance number from “Zorba the Greek?”
I just feel like dancing, is all.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 5:20 pm #
Let’s test MikeT.
Ok, mikey, take your time with this question: If all of the Arctic Ice melts, do the ocean levels rise?
[cue theme from Final Jeopardy]
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 5:21 pm #
No one here ever mentions Linbaugh but the trolls; why is that?
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 5:23 pm #
Good one BJT, but unfortunately it might be google-able…Still, that would require patience and, you know, actually reading texts to discern the answer…
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 5:23 pm #
RD: Sniffing airplane glue and wearing adult diapers is no way to go through life.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 5:25 pm #
The ice in the Arctic Ocean is not static. It is not smooth like a hockey rink. It moves all the time. It buckles and piles up in places, while lees and areas of no ice open up, and then such areas close up again. Some areas never freeze due to currents and upswellings.
Has it gotten thinner? Well during a warming period I expect it would, just like during a colder period it would expect it to get thicker.
Comment by Joe on 11/23 @ 5:27 pm #
Oh look Mike T, Snowcone, RD and Meya will sing a song about same sex marriage!
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 5:28 pm #
Here are some from 2007. http://www.csp.navy.mil/asl/Icex07.htm
Comment by newrouter on 11/23 @ 5:33 pm #
“Remember kids, every time you buy something from Walmart you are supporting Communism.”
don’t buy the oba-mao administration, the new york times and the msm either
Comment by cranky-d on 11/23 @ 5:35 pm #
#131
Oh, oh, I know! *Raises hand* Pick meeeee.
750 million years ago or so the whole planet was covered in ice. Some time after that, during the Time of the Dinosaurs, the planet was (probably, given the abundant life back then) warmer than it is now. Humans were not around to blame for either event.
There was a medieval warming period, that is documented. Also, we know people grew grapes in a region that will not longer support that during that warming period. We also know that it was colder in the U.S. in the 1700s than it is now. There weren’t enough people to really effect much of anything then.
And yet, somehow, we are to blame NOW for stuff that’s been going on just fine without us for as long as the planet has been here. Right.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/23 @ 5:36 pm #
THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!!
Comment by RD on 11/23 @ 5:37 pm #
I’m confused as well. It’s no deep secret that Rush’s howler monkey tactics end up on RW blogs minutes later.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/23 @ 5:38 pm #
Hey kids, did you know that the amount of CO2 released by volcanoes dwarfs the combined output from all human activity?
Google it!!
SCIENCE!!
Comment by sdferr on 11/23 @ 5:39 pm #
Good Chicago scientists can tell you, though they may be reluctant to say —
Comment by JHo on 11/23 @ 5:39 pm #
You gotta love Mikey’s links: 0.4+ degrees amounts to entire forests burning down. Kinda like how 0.4+ degrees takes ice from twenty below to 33F.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:41 pm #
Not only is the science settled, there is a consensus that the science is settled. You fucking flat new earth creationist science-deniers disgust me. /spit
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 5:43 pm #
So the person who isn’t capable of figuring out time zones and calendars is going to lecture us on “science”.
Bye, Rilly. See you in a week.
Comment by JHo on 11/23 @ 5:45 pm #
So do anti-O!bama SNL skits, Rilly. SCORE!
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:46 pm #
The previously banned trolls are the funnierest, since they just cannot quit us. They are fucking pathological. Where is semanticleo?
Comment by JHo on 11/23 @ 5:47 pm #
That reminds me of a submarine joke, JD.
Comment by B Moe on 11/23 @ 5:48 pm #
Depends on how many Polar Bears drown.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 5:49 pm #
Well, if you strain really hard you might come to a conclu… Oh, dear. Well, off you go to change your underwear.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:50 pm #
Do tell … Because it made me think about PRE traumatic stress disorder brought on by imaginary children being sent to an unjust war and not being able to help build her own personal windmill. A joke would be much more entertaining.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 5:53 pm #
BRB … I am going to go club a polar bear to death with the carcass of a dead baby seal that I shot with a bitter clingy gun for Mother Gaia.
Comment by Makewi on 11/23 @ 5:57 pm #
Though we may all go our separate ways in time, we will always have balloon fences, mile high dirt berms and Chinese invasions via empty shipping containers. No one can ever take that away.
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 6:00 pm #
Two words:
Penguin Fritters
GET ‘EM!
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 6:03 pm #
For RD to talk about someone else’s obsession is kind of funny.
Comment by Jim in KC on 11/23 @ 6:04 pm #
What’s wrong with undergarments?
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 6:24 pm #
Here’s more photos of subs at the pole:
Ahaha, Bob,
How come your “sub at the North Pole” shot says “Date and Location unknown” under it?
Right next to a shot of it at the Notrth Pole surrounded by ice?
Wingnut science at its finest.
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 6:32 pm #
Snowblower continually proves that it is dummerer than a sack of alphies.
Comment by newrouter on 11/23 @ 6:33 pm #
“Wingnut science at its finest.”
can you post the emails
Comment by BJTexs on 11/23 @ 6:34 pm #
alphie is now sharing RD’s diaper.
Yucko!
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 6:35 pm #
“Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 4:13 pm #
Would we ever have imagined that science denial would become political?”
Ever since the Kyoto Treaty, bumsuck.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 6:38 pm #
“I guess it’s not surprising when you look at which political ideology tends to reject evolution”
Gee, that’d be a surprise to the cliffs where I was fossil hunting this summer, you retarded marmoset.
Devonian fish, found a HUGE tooth. actuallt measures over na inch long, from one of the early lobed fish.
So, yeah why don’t you go fuck yourself, you ignorant twit.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 6:48 pm #
“The total ice area in the Arctic reached its 2009 minimum on September 12, 2009 with approximately 4.5 mill sq. km.
This is approximately 10 days earlier and almost 1 mill sq km. more than the record minimum of 2007.
Compared to the minimum of 2008, this years total ice area minimum is ca. 700,000 mill. sq. km. higher.”
arctic-roos . org
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 6:48 pm #
can you post the emails
I’ll do better than that, I’ll post the pictuces.
Here is Bob’s “proof” that the North Pole was recently “ice free”
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0866408.jpg
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 6:53 pm #
How come none of the photos at the links in Mr. Reed’s @100 or @127 show any such thing? Link please.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 6:54 pm #
Here’s PROOF that the North Pole WASn’t ice free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8SGs_gnFk
(Kinda slow loading for me, but interesting)
Oh. alpo, you’re a retarded marmoset.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 6:55 pm #
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 6:48 pm #
BTW, moron, what’s that supposed to “prove”?
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 7:03 pm #
A better link to Snowcone’s photo is http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08664.htm
To the right of the photo…
Snowcone must be from another dimension.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 7:04 pm #
Or a liar. I’m leaning towards that.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 7:07 pm #
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 7:04 pm #
Have you considered “moron”?
How about “booger eatin’ mohron”?
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 7:18 pm #
Maybe our resident science expert trolls would like to explain this.
Oh, right. That would require that they actually know what they’re talking about.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 11/23 @ 7:21 pm #
Sigh…another night, another night of meeting alphie’s attention requirements. Just let the loon go. I’m begging you.
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 7:40 pm #
“Comment by RD on 11/23 @ 7:36 pm #
Maybe our resident science expert trolls would like to explain
I would, but we’re currently engaged with the loaves and fishes problem.
And turning water into wine.”
You do realize, do you not, that you are quite delusional?
Comment by Lazarus Long on 11/23 @ 7:41 pm #
Can you turn good data into scientifica garbage?
That seems achievable.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 7:52 pm #
Mr. Flacy,
Thanks for being my wingman on that exchange…
Comment by guinsPen on 11/23 @ 7:55 pm #
*hic*
Comment by guinsPen on 11/23 @ 8:01 pm #
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 8:04 pm #
Can you turn good data into scientifica garbage?
Do you know what you get when you put a drop of fine single malt scotch into a bottle of sewage?
A bottle of sewage.
Know what you get when you put a drop of sewage into a bottle of fine scotch?
A bottle of sewage.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 8:07 pm #
Mr. Reed,
No problem. I think that Snowcone is a poorly written, moonbat version of the ELIZA program.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 8:24 pm #
How come none of the photos at the links in Mr. Reed’s @100 or @127 show any such thing? Link please.
Here’s BBQ Bob’s linked “North Pole” photo:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Note that it’s labeled “uss-skate-open-water”
Here is the wikipedia article on the Skate with the exact same photo labeled “Date and location unknown” right below the a photo of the Skate in an ice-packed Arctic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578)
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 8:25 pm #
I see from the bit quoted in #176 that Rilly Dumb has no response. As expected.
The problem here, NippleNut, SFAG, Rilly, et al is that even though you, personally, couldn’t understand this stuff even if it came in a Sesame Street edition, there are plenty of scientists and engineers who can.
An awful lot of them have been operating on the assumption that these guys were honest scientists.
That assumption is now provably incorrect.
If I were you I’d just shut up until your Thought Leaders issue the new Pravda, ’cause the wheels have come off this one for good.
Comment by SBP on 11/23 @ 8:28 pm #
NB to Rilly: you do know that SFAG’s eventually going to get tired of supporting your mooching ass, right?
Comment by JHo on 11/23 @ 8:43 pm #
If Rilly didn’t buy her newz from Approved Sources™, prolly Rilly would find Beck tearing AGW a new one interesting.
Rilly might even find the four minute mark kinda devastating, I mean interesting.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 8:47 pm #
Snowcone,
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08578.htm
It’s the ninth photo from the top.
Comment by royf on 11/23 @ 8:52 pm #
Snowcone you are one dumb fuck.
Comment by royf on 11/23 @ 9:19 pm #
The truly funny thing about that Wiki link is that at one time the photo of the USS Skate was labeled correctly but it was changed. I can just see some drooling lefty propaganda czar seeing that photo of the North pole clear of ice and frothing at the mouth as he changed the title because “Teh Narrative” can’t let the truth get in the way. Man what a bunch of sick disgusting bastards.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/23 @ 9:41 pm #
Snowcone is even more retarded than usual, today.
Next, maybe we’ll hear something about 1959 not being “recent”, and then maybe in the next sentence we’ll hear about 1959 being too recent.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 10:07 pm #
Skate (SSN-578), surfaced at the North Pole, 17 March 1959.
Haha, right below this photo:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0857815.jpg
“Three crewmembers of the Skate (SSN-578) checking the ice on deck while above the Arctic Circle in 1959.”
Not to mention this from the attached story: In the following months, Skate, as the first ship of her class, conducted various tests in the vicinity of her home port. In early March 1959, she again headed for the Arctic to pioneer operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. The submarine steamed 3,900 miles (6,300 km) under pack ice while surfacing through it ten times
The same year Bob tells us the arctic was “ice free.”
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/23 @ 10:12 pm #
I don’t think you’re going to find the arctic to be ice-free every day of the year, all year, Snowy.
Jesus, you are just a big tangle of fail, aren’t you?
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 10:18 pm #
Fine, Snowcone. I’ll accept that Mr. Reed incorrectly stated that the “Artic was ice-free” in 1959.
Will you accept the that North Pole had portions of open water at times in 1962? How about 1959?
Comment by JD on 11/23 @ 10:24 pm #
This is just standard leftist obfuscation. The only question is whether or not snotnose is intentionally missing the point, or simply cannot grasp it.
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 10:24 pm #
#183 Linked photo is blue ice from 2001. Blue ice is usually associated with glaciers but is formed by pressure. Check wiki for the blue ice. http://www.csp.navy.mil/asl/ScrapBook/Icex2001/BlueIce.jpg
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/23 @ 10:25 pm #
Y’know, if I’d said that I navigated the Northwest Passage in, for instance, 1939, most folks with half a brain (or more) wouldn’t take that to mean that the Northwest Passage was open every day in that year.
I’m sure that Bob didn’t mean to float (so to speak) the notion that all of the arctic circle was ice-free, even for a day. Because that would be kind of unreasonable. But I’d be sure and ask before making a few dozen comments arguing that point.
But that’s me. I tend to not have time to fuck around with the kind of trivial horseshit Snowy revels in.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 10:27 pm #
snowcone,
At which comment number did I say the Arctic was ice free in 1959? I don’t think you can find one here or on any other thread. And, why are you taking Wikipedia’s explanation for the photo you mention instead of NavySource?
You realize we all know you’re a liar, don’t you..? Tell me the comment number…
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 10:30 pm #
What Slart said…Obviously it wasn’t ice-free for the entire year; that would be unreasonable if there were ice in northern hemisphere latitudes below the arctic circle…
snowcone is just engaging in the usual sophistry…
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 10:40 pm #
#191 What is the cloud aft of the conning tower? Is it your contention that when the Skate surfaced at the north magnetic pole in March 1959, they sufaced wthout breaking ice?
Comment by Snowcone on 11/23 @ 10:50 pm #
Fine, Snowcone. I’ll accept that Mr. Reed incorrectly stated that the “Artic was ice-free” in 1959.
Will you accept the that North Pole had portions of open water at times in 1962? How about 1959?
Sure.
Looks like Bob is being a weasel, though.
Big surprise there.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 11:09 pm #
You have the nerve to call me a weasel snowcone? Show me where I said the Arctic was ice free in 1959; which comment number was it?
Comment by Gulermo on 11/23 @ 11:16 pm #
#200 I asked you a question.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 11:36 pm #
You are a liar snowcone, and I don’t truck with liars. I’m done with you…
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 11/23 @ 11:36 pm #
Mr. Reed,
As close as Snowcone is going to get is comment @99…
…which of course doesn’t mention 1959 at all. But “the Arctic has been Ice free in years past” is a bit of a stretch, unless you mean the Mesozoic era. I took your statement to mean that the Arctic is not always covered in ice, but that isn’t literally what you stated.
Comment by MikeT on 11/23 @ 11:45 pm #
Yes, it IS a conspiracy and here’s the proof:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:02 am #
Is it possible for MikeT or alphie or meya/RD to embarass themselves?
If you met Chad Rogers, would you kick him in the teeth?
I just watched Crissy Mathews interviewing a Priest/Bishop on his show. It was disgraceful.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/24 @ 12:06 am #
You are a liar snowcone, and I don’t truck with liars. I’m done with you…
Haha Bob, you lacking the ability to admit you’re wrong is the same disease that cost us Afghanistan.
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:11 am #
I mean, really. Is there a person on the planet that needs the taste of good old-fashioned shoe leather than Chad Rogers and its hair?!
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:26 am #
Other than alphie/snotnose, MikeT, meya/RD, and willie the skin flute player, of course.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/24 @ 12:37 am #
Mr. Flacy,
You are correct; I didn’t make a very clear statement. I worked from an assumption that it would be understood that I didn’t mean ice-free for the entire year, but for short periods of time. That assertion was backed up by the links I posted. And for what it’s worth, I clarified that in # 198.
Still, I never mention 1959 at all, in any of my comments, although a few of my links referenced a large number of years.
I chose my wording poorly in a moment of haste, it muddled my precise meaning, but far from justifies snowcone’s sophistry.
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:40 am #
Bob – If it did not have its sophistry, it would have nothing other than its stupidity, and a filthy magic sock.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/24 @ 12:45 am #
“…a filthy magic sock.”
Wow…That’s probably accurate JD, but the thought of it is turning my stomach…
Better that than reproduction in it’s case though.
Comment by Snowcone on 11/24 @ 12:54 am #
I worked from an assumption that it would be understood that…
Wow, Bob, I don’t even think you believe your lame rationalization.
Nobody else does.
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:54 am #
Allah knows that thing ain’t gonna reproduce, Bob. Unless it impregnates a goat. Or one of its gerbils.
Comment by JD on 11/24 @ 12:56 am #
“Nobody else does”
That is a fucking lie and you are a fucking liar.
Comment by royf on 11/24 @ 7:20 am #
The question that needs to be asked at this point is, Does anyone actually believe that there is any person on this planet which would let snowcone speak for them?
I don’t so I’m assuming when snowcone says “Nobody else does” he’s referring to voices he hears in his head.
Hopefully his mother will give him his medication shortly.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 11/24 @ 10:11 am #
Nobody else dumber than your average cinder block, anyway.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/24 @ 1:07 pm #
The SS Manhattan and the Northwest Passage.
http://sunshiporg.homestead.com/manhattan.html
Navigable, but not really open.
Comment by Rusty on 11/25 @ 7:20 am #
#194
Icebergs can be a beautiful cobalt blue color. I’ve seen em!