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November 10, 2009
John Allen Muhammad … [Darleen Click]
… is finally dead. In the “Feminists” are funny category, Jill comes up with this kneeslapper. Tonight, my tax dollars — and yours, if you’re in the United States — are paying to kill John Allen Muhammad. Maybe I’m missing it, but I haven’t seen any outrage from pro-life organizations, have you? Next time I see a 20 week-old fetus poking a sniper rifle from mom’s navel and murdering 10 people, I’ll consider her :::ahem::: point. 117 Comments ::: Post a comment »RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI: http://proteinwisdom.com/wp-trackback.php?p=15508 Leave a commentIf you want to leave a feedback to this post or to some other user´s comment, simply fill out the form below. |
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Comment by Makewi on 11/10 @ 8:57 pm #
The human sacrifice comment is precious. You could make shit like that up for a joke, but it turns out you don’t have to.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 9:00 pm #
You can’t get some of the comedy gold found at femeniste from the best writers in Hollywood…But of course, that’s not saying much either…
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 9:04 pm #
Sharp as a marble, that Jill. The good people of the Commonwealth of Virginia put paid to that dirtbag.
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 9:05 pm #
“, but I haven’t seen any outrage from pro-life organizations, have you? ”
those nazi clumps of cells causing havoc again
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 9:07 pm #
“John Allen Muhammad”
does my burka make my ass fatz?
Comment by B Moe on 11/10 @ 9:08 pm #
There’s no lights on the Christmas Tree Mama….
Comment by gahrie on 11/10 @ 9:11 pm #
Why do the moonbats always leave out the word “innocent”?
Comment by ThomasD on 11/10 @ 9:17 pm #
Well, at least Jill acknowledges that an abortion is the killing of a human being.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/10 @ 9:19 pm #
It’s almost as if we haven’t just had 4,000 years of moral deliberation about these issues.
Comment by geoffb on 11/10 @ 9:21 pm #
You’re right, they did leave it out. perhaps they don’t consider John to be… Nah, he is to them, he fits into at least two of the always blameless and innocent forever victim groups.
Now a fetus. Guilty of threatening to oppress and punish an innocent woman, always. No mercy.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 11/10 @ 9:23 pm #
I wonder if we could get Jill to care about a fetus if we could convince her that it had dark skin and a deep-seated feeling of oppression with regard to America that compelled it to stick it to the Man.
A vagina would probably help, too.
Comment by Joe on 11/10 @ 9:24 pm #
I hope they mentioned it to Nidal Hasan.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 9:24 pm #
The tv report I heard on J.A. Muhammad’s execution had him maintaining his own innocence to the end. So he dies a liar. Fitting, that.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:25 pm #
This is about as dumb of an analogy as considering mandatory car insurance the same as mandatory life insurance. They know the analogies are freakin stupid they just serve the purpose of substituting for an intellectual though.
Comment by Darleen on 11/10 @ 9:26 pm #
sdferr
of course he was innocent…he killed kaffir not real humans.
Comment by Joe on 11/10 @ 9:27 pm #
I know Allah disapproves, but what the heck:
John Mohammed: Hey look Tim McVeigh and Mohammed Atta are here. Cool. Hey wait a second, it is kinda hot here, what is that red hot poker for, AHHHHHHH…
Comment by Joe on 11/10 @ 9:28 pm #
Another late but welcomed present for the USMC!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:29 pm #
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Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:29 pm #
I read he died at 9:11PM. Somewhat fitting if you ask me.
Comment by agile_dog on 11/10 @ 9:35 pm #
It should have been by firing squad.
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 9:38 pm #
“Tonight, my tax dollars — and yours, if you’re in the United States — are paying to kill John Allen Muhammad. Maybe I’m missing it,”
the london tube bombings and madrid bombings oh and 9/11
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 9:39 pm #
“…he killed kaffir…”
I suspect he had no way of knowing that while he was sighting in or pulling the trigger. If it happened to prove to be true, it was equally the case that any kaffir/victim identity happened as a consequence of accident, rather than his knowledge. He could easily have killed one of the faithful and that being the case, I’d argue the faith of his victims made no difference to him whatsoever.
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 9:40 pm #
i can deal with stupid people. the violently stupid require a glock
Comment by badanov on 11/10 @ 9:43 pm #
Darleen, you’re too unsophisticated to understand her point.
It was on the top of her head all along
Comment by Stephen Macklin on 11/10 @ 9:45 pm #
“Tonight, my tax dollars — and yours, if you’re in the United States — are paying to kill John Allen Muhammad. Maybe I’m missing it,”
I consider it money well spent.
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 9:46 pm #
“I suspect he had no way of knowing”
he killed “judeo-christian” amerikkka”. black islamofacists like that gig
Comment by agile_dog on 11/10 @ 9:57 pm #
I’m not going to click over there and give the site traffic, but Jill, if you’re reading here, I’ll bet there WERE people protesting his execution. You just don’t get. Period.
Comment by Joe on 11/10 @ 9:59 pm #
John Mohammed was a strange cat. I am not even sure if he was motivated by religion or what. What was his relationship with Lee Boyd Malove? I am glad he is gone.
Comment by lina on 11/10 @ 10:28 pm #
a reply of jill’s in her comments:
…so? I don’t find depriving someone of their liberty for committing violent crime nearly as problematic as depriving them of their life.
i take it she’s pro life herself then?
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 10:29 pm #
mr. mohammad gave the first mulim president a chance
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/10 @ 10:34 pm #
There was a documentary about the “DC Sniper” on cable last night (Tru TV aka Court TV, I think it was). What a nightmare.
John Allen Mohammad killed random innocent people because he liked it. Whether he used some twisted religious belief to justify his perverse “hobby” doesn’t really appear to be relevant. He was supposedly pissed off about his divorce, too.
Regardless…
Burn in Hell, ya sonofabitch.
Comment by lina on 11/10 @ 10:36 pm #
maybe we should just imprison fetuses for life
Comment by bill on 11/10 @ 10:37 pm #
Happy trails ,dirtbag,, say hi to Stalin, Hitler, Mao, the Weathermen from the townhouse in NYC, the Beslan school jihadists, Imad Mugniah, Mo Atta,and a cast of millions. Oh by the way, that 72 virgin thing in the book, that was not to be taken literally. That phrase is actually Arabic for “burn in hell”.
Comment by newrouter on 11/10 @ 10:57 pm #
please cheer up:
1980 Republican National Convention
Comment by Kresh on 11/10 @ 11:16 pm #
We may need the re-judge what it means to be sentient, ’cause self-aware thought ain’t happening over there.
Also known as: “Do you ever listen to what comes out of your mouth?”
Comment by Americaneocon on 11/10 @ 11:37 pm #
“Next time I see a 20 week-old fetus poking a sniper rifle from mom’s navel and murdering 10 people, I’ll consider her :::ahem::: point.”
Good one …
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 11:40 pm #
An oldie but a goody.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/10 @ 11:47 pm #
John Allen Mohammad killed random innocent people because he liked it. Whether he used some twisted religious belief to justify his perverse “hobby” doesn’t really appear to be relevant. He was supposedly pissed off about his divorce, too.
Let’s see, Black Muslim killing whitey? Nope, no hate crime there….
Comment by Luther Brixton on 11/11 @ 12:10 am #
When it comes to the selective “sanctity of life” crowd, their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Iraqis? Sure! Iranians? You bet! How about wiping out the entire Middle Eastern Muslim population – men, women, children, and babies? You know it! If there’s one thing Jesus – a black, liberal, Jew from the Middle East – would agree with, it’s war, murder and torture are awesome “family values”!
Another thing you will never see from the faux “right to life” groups, is picketing at family planning clinics in minority neighborhoods. Not that they don’t value unborn minorities! They are just “less equal” in the eyes of God.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 12:18 am #
Do you really reckon that had you been able to walk up to Jesus or any one of his compatriots and started talking to them about black this and middle-east that and liberal thus and such and oh! family values, that’s always good for a laugh, they would have had the foggiest idea what you were talking about Luther?
Comment by ghost707 on 11/11 @ 1:07 am #
I believe that thoughts like these are trigger events for the formations of black holes in the universe.
So devoid of logic and reason that not even light or time can escape it.
Comment by Abe Froman on 11/11 @ 1:14 am #
I don’t know why I bother with such things, but googling “Luther Brixton” was an entertaining voyage into the life of a rage-filled moonbat.
Comment by Hvy Mtl Hntr on 11/11 @ 1:21 am #
Finally, tax dollars put to good use! I want to see more of that kind of stimulus.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/11 @ 1:40 am #
Let’s see, Black Muslim killing whitey? Nope, no hate crime there…
IIRC, at least two of his victims were black, two were Hispanic and one was Indian (dot, not feather). The bastard was an “equal-opportunity” victimizer.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 11/11 @ 1:41 am #
I believe that thoughts like these are trigger events for the formations of black holes in the universe.
So devoid of logic and reason that not even light or time can escape it.Jill has her own “event horizon”?
The Singularity of Stupid.
Comment by geoffb on 11/11 @ 2:11 am #
The best thing is he seems to be a “one comment man”. Lefty talking points thrown out like an empty beer can from a passing car on the highway.
Comment by Jacky on 11/11 @ 2:56 am #
Luther
Another deranged leftie attributing every problem in the world to Christians and generalising (but he isn’t a bigot). One mind set. He’s right everyone else is wrong (but he isn’t blinked). Every thing is black and white, no grey areas. There is no such thing as complications, extenuating circumstance, cultural and tribal difficulties. All problems would be solved if we admitted out guilt and shut up and turned all out money over. Any body who is a Christian is a war mongering etc etc etc. Comes up with a load of rubbish about genocide, Christians are happy people are dying in the Middle East (i don’t know any who jump with joy about the situation and most feel sick at tragedy) etc. Then some how thinks that we are pleased about abortion clinics in minority neighbourhoods. Obviously seems to think that Christians are only white. Not sure what colour the “right to life” protestors I saw in front of a clinic but they didn’t look white.
People like Luther scare me. You can see how the indoctrination has gone to the core. You could easily see Mr Luther turning into a Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin of he we placed in charge of a country. Any opposition is painted as the ultimate evil and dehumanised. They cannot just have a different point of view.
Comment by Salt Lick on 11/11 @ 3:59 am #
“…but I haven’t seen any outrage from pro-life organizations, have you?”
I think Jill is critiquing the method of execution here, Darleen. She’d prefer to see the state vacuuming out this guy’s brains. Nuance.
Comment by Salt Lick on 11/11 @ 4:04 am #
Not that they don’t value unborn minorities!
Yes,[Harris v. McRae, which upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions] surprised me. Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion….
Comment by Salt Lick on 11/11 @ 4:06 am #
Not that they don’t value unborn minorities!
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg –
“Yes,[Harris v. McRae, which upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions] surprised me. Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion….”
Comment by Eben on 11/11 @ 4:37 am #
Shorter Luther “The real Jesus is the same as Barry O and real Christians are leftist Democrats. Come to think of it, Barry O is The Baby Jesus Incarnate.”
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/11 @ 5:41 am #
It was a Democrat Governor who signed the death warrant. Those executions seem to get less media attention/scrutiny, I think.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 5:47 am #
I do like it when they throw that “Jesus was black” thing out early, you know right away you are dealing with a serious idiot.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/11 @ 5:48 am #
I like this Jesus of whom you speak. I propose that we honor him in the usual method – let us submerge his image in urine to demonstate our esteem.
I don’t know whether this is a lie or he’s just plain ignorant. I also like the paternalistic pat on the head to blacks and hispanics, who all just love having abortion mills in their hoods as far as Luther knows – which isn’t very far at all.
Comment by Carin on 11/11 @ 6:35 am #
Another thing you will never see from the faux “right to life” groups, is picketing at family planning clinics in minority neighborhoods. Not that they don’t value unborn minorities! They are just “less equal” in the eyes of God.
I thought right to life groups weren’t allowed to picket ANY abortion clinics? Last time I saw one, they had to stand ACROSS a 8 lane road. You’re a serious idiot. But, the one I saw? It was in a minority neighborhood. 8 mile and gratiot area of Detroit.
So … liar, idiot … I’m torn as to which way to go. I imagine our buddy Luther is seeped so deep in his ideology he barely could be trusted to give an accurate weather report.
Comment by Good Lt. on 11/11 @ 6:56 am #
Yes, because the Islamic scumbag murdering people with a high-powered sniper rifle is the same thing as an unborn child terminated in the third trimester.
Same. Exact. Thing.
Are we to believe that Democrats view murdering terrorists and innocent unborn children as equals? Apparently. These are the same “minds” that elected this pathetic excuse for a President.
Comment by Matt on 11/11 @ 7:11 am #
Tax dollars well spent if you ask me. I was in Virginia attending a wedding in the same area of the last victim, right before he was caught. The terror he caused those folks living there was immeasurable. People were scared to stop and get gas for their cars. There’s no way to balance the scales on this one but I’m glad he’s dead.
But the really scary threat is a fetus with a dragonuv… beyond parody.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/11 @ 7:15 am #
IIRC, at least two of his victims were black, two were Hispanic and one was Indian (dot, not feather). The bastard was an “equal-opportunity” victimizer.
All were infidels in his eyes. Moreover, as I understand it, the two black victims were seen as “Uncle Toms”.
Comment by McGehee on 11/11 @ 7:49 am #
I once got into an argument — long ago, by snail mail! — with a moonbat who seriously argued that innocence, even in the practical, legalistic sense of “not guilty of a specific crime,” is immaterial.
And no, this guy wasn’t about ending the death penalty; he was about lifting any and all possible restrictions on abortion.
His name was not Kevorkian.
Comment by McGehee on 11/11 @ 7:54 am #
Anyway, if sometimes I seem to have that annoying, “Yeah, as a matter of fact I have seen this lunacy before and no, it no longer shocks me” vibe in these comment threads, my previous comment may give a glimpse of why. And this was after I graduated from college, where I had already seen a lot of this same kind of craziness.
Comment by Pablo on 11/11 @ 7:55 am #
Good God, Jill is a deeply stupid woman.
Lord, but Jill is a deeply stupid woman. It’s like when she can’t manage to get her facts completely wrong, she strives to be as inane as possible.
Comment by Pablo on 11/11 @ 7:55 am #
Pardon my redundancy, though the point bears repetition.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 7:58 am #
It never ends.
Comment by rickinstl on 11/11 @ 8:04 am #
Another thing you will never see from the faux “right to life” groups, is picketing at family planning clinics in minority neighborhoods. Not that they don’t value unborn minorities! They are just “less equal” in the eyes of God. Comment by Luther Brixton on 11/11 @ 12:10 am #
I beg to differ a-hole.
Come to StL. There are regular prayers being said in front of an abortion clinic about 3 miles from where I work. You guessed it. Very much a black neighborhood.
So, a little reminder: When you pull your arguments out of your ass on this blog, you’re going to get shit on by someone who knows what’s really going on.
But keep it up if you want to, it’s fun to point and laugh.
Comment by rickinstl on 11/11 @ 8:07 am #
And Jill, dear,
There’s no such thing as “Catholic ideology”.
Maybe you meant “theology”?
Once a party member…
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 11/11 @ 8:17 am #
Not once, but twice, little clumps of cells made my wife get morning sickness for months on end. Horrible clumps! Bad clumps! They deserved nothing short of death! But, to our surprise they somehow grew into beautiful baby girls and once they were socialized they became actual human beings. Maybe our not killing them was a net positive. Maybe. This muhammed dude? So he killed a few gaia polluters? So the fuck what, wingers! Yep, these people are beyond parody. And luther (knowing you’ve run onto even less constructive pursuits by now), Jesus wasn’t liberal nor was he conservative. Those are human constructs. All he cared about was your everlasting soul. That’s it. Never did he talk politics. I’ve got loads more respect for atheists who call him a spaghetti monster than the “religious” who try to co-opt his “politics”.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/11 @ 8:30 am #
They keep pretending that Catholic moral teaching prohibits the death penalty – which it does not (The Vatican City State itself maintained the death penalty into the 1960s) – in order to make this twisted equivalence. It’s really a demonstration of the depths of their bad faith, because they don’t really want to know or understand what the actual Catholic positions are and how they are supported morally – they’d rather just regurgitate this punchline at any opportunity.
Comment by SBP on 11/11 @ 8:51 am #
I think SFAG should move over there. It sounds like she’d be right at home.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/11 @ 8:53 am #
I have always thought that Jill, like many dupie-dupe “womyn” of the Left, needed to be put in a Gitmo cell with the muslim terrorist men who confess and divulge important information.
Lefty “Womyn” dupe is taught an important lesson, reinforced in a very intimate and physical way, and cooperative muslim terrorist is rewarded with a special kind of conjugal visit, if you know what I mean and I think you do. Sorry to be vulgar, but it would be karmic.
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/11 @ 9:10 am #
The whole pose is premised on the implicit notion that someone, somewhere, will do violence on her behalf and spare her the experience – thus allowing a position that is “morally pure,” and consistent with her ideology. They decry “torture,” safe in the idea that in something that resembles a “ticking timebomb scenario,” some man will step forward, extract the information, and save their lives – after which they will demand that he be prosecuted for his trouble.
Comment by ThomasD on 11/11 @ 9:13 am #
…and that are directly opposed to Catholic ideology.
And there Jill reveals her true agenda. Life be damned, Jill (and the Democrat’s she is carrying water for) just need to keep them pesky Catholics in line.
Power uber alles.
Comment by Will on 11/11 @ 9:20 am #
Perhaps their comment moderator is swamped or perhaps this is considered uncivil. (I would like to see restrictions on the Death Penalty for cases with a “confession” that does not yield the fruit of physical evidence and also cases based on “eyewitness” testimony.)
Will 11.11.2009 at 8:04 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
“I object to the implication that somehow an equivalency between the life of a human being and something which hasn’t developed even the capacity for self awareness is degrading to anything other than the human”
Does this mean you are willing to consider limiting abortion on the basis of brain function? Is infanticide OK as long as the child has not developed speech? “But they don’t ‘think’ like us” is a dangerous path.
The death penalty is too liberally applied and our courts have too many flaws for me to support it, however I will shed no tear for John Allen Muhammed
Comment by Joe on 11/11 @ 9:32 am #
Meanwhile, who dropped the dime on John Edwards…
Comment by Curmudgeon on 11/11 @ 9:37 am #
Meanwhile, who dropped the dime on John Edwards…
Can it be established that Ben Smith is such a dick? He positively revels in this sort of crap, if it’s for his Obamunist.
Comment by Joe on 11/11 @ 9:45 am #
Of course Ben Smith is a dick. So is Obama.
Comment by mcgruder on 11/11 @ 9:56 am #
I pretty much am a huge death penalty opponent, root and branch, but am entirely ok with the execution.
There was indeed protests outside the execution–there always is–and our tax dollars have always been used to end life. I have no idea what it cost to firebomb Japan and much of Germany, but it surely cost less than killing that sociopath. Also, to win the civil war and wrap up WWI were also more expensive.
The inarguable fact of the matter is that JAM made a decision to turn from the human path years ago and chose murder as a method of personal expression. He surrendered any valid claim to his humanity, not did he ever attempt to claim it back by contrition or amends.
Comment by Joe on 11/11 @ 9:57 am #
Here’s a great story on scoring a great writing gig.
Comment by Makewi on 11/11 @ 11:48 am #
He shot a child in front of a school on a busy school morning. I lived in DC during this period and while I am generally against the death penalty, in cases like this I hope it hurt.
Comment by mcgruder on 11/11 @ 11:50 am #
I worked with Ben at the NY Sun.
he’s a good guy and good reporter.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 12:03 pm #
Check out dicentra’s conversation with dpleasant in the Pub.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 11/11 @ 12:03 pm #
The Church’s position regarding the death penalty is somewhat nuanced. It’s permissible when necessary, emphasis on the fact that it isn’t really all that necessary. It is by no means the full-throated denunciation that has been the Church’s position on abortion since time immemorial. That is why the pro-lifers fail to get all outrage-y when terrorists are executed.
She has about half the point that she thinks she has.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 12:33 pm #
Dicentra’s stuff was very interesting, as usual. I could not find a conversation, however.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 12:37 pm #
She’s trying her best B Moe, give her time.
Comment by JD on 11/11 @ 12:40 pm #
Random thought – why does it seem like we always use middle names with infamous murderers and serial killers?
Comment by Rusty on 11/11 @ 12:43 pm #
#76
Death comes to us all. He chose his end. Which is more than the people he murdered got.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 12:44 pm #
Dunno, JD. Maybe so John Wilkes Booth doesn’t get confused with some other guy named John William Booth? Or Lee Horace Oswald isn’t taken for Lee Harvey Oswald?
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 12:53 pm #
Yes, but the other party is proving my oft repeated point that a conversation requires at least two people that truly want to have a dialogue, dicentra can’t do it by herself and dpleasant either doesn’t know how or isn’t interested, or both.
Comment by Darleen on 11/11 @ 1:01 pm #
depleasant is monologuing — “The Right is Evil. The End”
dicentra is downright Quixotic.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 1:03 pm #
I do agree with you B Moe, dpleasant isn’t terribly interested as yet. But my guess is just that dicentra is attempting to educate dpleasant, to draw him(her?) out into an examination of communication, which I believe to be possible, at least in theory. Such things take time, though success, as you suggest, isn’t entirely in her hands. Whether it proves to be worth the effort in itself as successful in the event, the attempt may have something to teach us all, even if only in respect of a demonstration of techniques that work to penetrate dpleasant’s shell or don’t, and the measures dpleasant undertakes to evade or engage, as the case may be.
Comment by charles austin on 11/11 @ 1:10 pm #
Next time I see a 20 week-old fetus poking a sniper rifle from mom’s navel and murdering 10 people, I’ll consider her :::ahem::: point.
Or think of it this way, Jill is only in favor of killing those who cannot defend themselves.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 2:39 pm #
The realization of which is what made me realize pacifism ultimately won’t work.
You can’t have a unilateral negotiation.
You can have a unilateral ass kicking.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:45 pm #
Plato’s Meno, despite Meno’s resolute refusal to participate in the examination he himself initiated, is still called a dialog and still has the power to teach us a great deal about human beings. Socrates, of course, runs rings around Meno to our (the witnesses) delight (a unilateral ass-kicking if there ever was one), all the while Meno hasn’t a clue what he reveals about himself. It’s up to us to learn something though, so we don’t end up like the guy we’re laughing at.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 2:46 pm #
That is my intent with most of the trolls here. I just don’t consider it a dialogue or a conversation.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:56 pm #
“I just don’t consider it a dialogue or a conversation.”
When would it become one? Or to put it another way, what has happened to alert you to some change that indicates that what you thought wasn’t a dialog (which, I don’t know what to call that exactly, outside using the negation) has altered into one? Or has that never happened?
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 3:05 pm #
As Darleen inferred above, dicentra is attempting a dialog by responding to dpleasant’s argument and offering a counter argument, on point and in good faith. dpleasant is not responding with a monolog which is basically ignoring dicentra and her arguments.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 3:11 pm #
“dpleasant is not responding with a monolog which is basically ignoring dicentra and her arguments.”
I read that as “dpleasant is responding … etc.” but yeah, I knew all that already. It’s pretty obvious isn’t it, so I don’t get why you bring it up B Moe? I do sort of wonder why dicentra goes into such great detail on behalf of Beck or Malkin et al, when the question on the table seemed to be how to communicate through different cultural milieu or vocabularies or what have us. I figured maybe she has a plan I don’t see yet though, to get to where she seemed to want to be going.
Comment by agile_dog on 11/11 @ 3:20 pm #
Random thought – why does it seem like we always use middle names with infamous murderers and serial killers?
JD, sdferr is quite right – to keep us from confusing plain folk from them. For instance, my actual name is the same as someone else who is at the center of a number of conspiracy theories. We differ only in middle name. Try it yourself – enter you name into a search engine, and see what you get back. If I do that without the middle name, I get over 10,000 hits. I had to scroll to the third page of results to find a hit that actually referenced ME.
Or maybe it is so we can add extra venom to their names when we say them, by having extra syllables to play with.
Comment by Synova on 11/11 @ 3:21 pm #
In all fairness to the silly feminists… I think that the Catholic church is against both the death penalty and abortion. A rational stand to have.
Pro death penalty and anti abortion is also a rational pairing… the baby is innocent of any wrong doing and the murderer very well earned his fate.
Or a person could be pro-abortion and pro-death penalty and not have conflicting beliefs.
The only pair up that is screwed up is that it’s okay to kill an innocent, dependent life and wrong to punish an adult murderer with death.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 3:22 pm #
Yeah, sloppy editing that. Why did I bring it up? The inability to hold an intelligent, good faith discussion is a problem with the left that I find increasing annoying, and it makes me surly, to be honest. I don’t like giving them credit for being conversant or contributing to a dialog if all they are going to do is preach and propagandize. It has gotten to the point that I only talk politics with a handful of acquaintances, most of the others it is off-limits, because all they can do is rant.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 3:30 pm #
The whole left, right, left, right or in dpleasant’s hands Right, Left capitalized to make them seem like words that actually refer to something other than a phantasm, is stultifying and bizarrely anti-communicative for a fact. I hate the phenomenon myself though I haven’t figured out how to continue having conversations about politics and at the same time extricate myself from the bifurcation to return to human affairs simply put. It’s a puzzle. And under the circumstances, the more I consider the question, the more dangerous a situation it seems to be. But I don’t have answers, urgent though they may be to find.
Comment by Darleen on 11/11 @ 3:36 pm #
I think that the Catholic church is against both the death penalty and abortion
it is now. It is a fairly recent development. God actually commands dp for murder in the Bible.
Also the US Constitution allows for capital punishment (5th amendment)
Comment by Synova on 11/11 @ 3:36 pm #
“Or think of it this way, Jill is only in favor of killing those who cannot defend themselves.”
Having now read the comments here…
Apparently Jill is only in favor of tax dollars paying to kill those who cannot defend themselves.
Comment by Synova on 11/11 @ 3:40 pm #
Hey… how about… the victim has the option to pay for the execution… take up voluntary contributions for it, and if public outrage is such that enough money is collected, the lever is pulled.
Or… if the victim doesn’t have much money, they go low-tech and hang the guy. If the bleeding hearts want the murderer killed in a more humane way, *they* can take up a collection.
What do you think?
Comment by McGehee on 11/11 @ 3:57 pm #
In the case of a murderer, Synova — how is the victim going to raise money?
Comment by McGehee on 11/11 @ 3:59 pm #
Of course, I think the philosophy of criminal law is that society as a whole is the victim even if the actual target of the crime lives through it. So the victim — legally speaking — already does pay for the execution…
Comment by Alec Leamas on 11/11 @ 4:25 pm #
Darleen – the Church is not categorically against the death penalty as it is with abortion (except in very rare, discrete cases – i.e. an ectopic pregnancy) The death penalty is a prudential matter within the purview of civil authorities.
Comment by Kresh on 11/11 @ 4:41 pm #
Dennis Prager once said that the left only cares about the living, so their stance as being “pro-choice” and anti-capital punishment makes perfect sense to them. You cannot help the dead victim by punishing the living criminal or, er, well, the whole killing the unborn thing still doesn’t make sense unless you think babies aren’t alive until they shoot out the birth canal. Which is a highly-illogical stance to take.
I give up. They’re crazy. I can’t twist my mind enough to let the logic be squeezed out of my brain. Maybe I didn’t take enough college. *shrug*
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 4:47 pm #
“…only cares about the living…”
So he could make it make a kind of sense, a restricted sense, if you will, if he were to say “present” instead of living. So they care about the ones at hand, the accessible directly kind of deal. Not that even that makes a heck of a lot of sense ontologically, but whatever.
Comment by pst314 on 11/11 @ 5:44 pm #
“I believe that thoughts like these are trigger events for the formations of black holes in the universe.”
classic version: “She’s so dense, light bends around her.”
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 7:00 pm #
“…to be polite…”
Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 11/11 @ 7:08 pm #
I hate using the left/right designation also, sdferr, but really don’t know any practical way to get around it. I view things primarily as either individual vs. the state or reason vs. faith, which don’t align well although time with the stereotypical right/left model. But since I don’t like writing complete essays every post, I tend to opt for convenience over precision.
Comment by Barrack Milhouse Obama on 11/11 @ 7:10 pm #
although was supposed to be all the.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 7:10 pm #
And that was me.
Fuck.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 7:16 pm #
It’s an awful problem made no better by the barking madness of the imposition of such inadequate categories onto our descriptions of the world (or our fellows), categories that have too often the tendency to obscure what is most needful to know, all while we have pressing political problems to solve, mundane though they may be most of the time, at others matters of life and death admitting no spare time to be futzing around with stupidities like the-left-the-right, to say nothing about moonbats&wingers.
Comment by Rae Leggett on 11/11 @ 10:23 pm #
Beware the fetus jihad.
Comment by -Ed. on 11/11 @ 10:40 pm #
Ah, this takes me back to the days of yore when we pursued domestic terrorists.
Comment by Will on 11/13 @ 10:45 am #
My comment (#72 above ) never made the website. Apparently disagreement is only acknowledged if it meets a certain threshold of crudity and incendiary rhetoric.