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As a senior-year psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic of his choosing as a culminating exercise of the residency program.
Instead, in late June 2007, he stood before his supervisors and about 25 other mental health staff members and lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a copy of the presentation obtained by The Washington Post.
“It’s getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims,” he said in the presentation.
No, don’t say it, don’t think it — you’d be making a casuality of diversity you know.
“Connect the dots”?? That’s just racist talk!
Comment by B Moe on 11/10 @ 8:40 pm #
Its hard to say too much just based on his notes, but it seems pretty obvious the dude was off the rails.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 8:58 pm #
Seems lke a smoking gun to me…But I’m a biased knuckle-dragging xtianist wingnut…
Comment by agile_dog on 11/10 @ 9:28 pm #
Bob, didn’t you forget “former military turned right wing extremist”?
My first question is: How many currently-serving Muslim soldiers joined the military BEFORE the start of the first Gulf War, and therefore didn’t “know” that they may be sent to fight their co-religionists?
Any of them who joined after that have no excuse – they should know they could be sent to the Middle East to fight.
Comment by cynn on 11/10 @ 9:30 pm #
Could Hasan be a terrorist? Depends on terms and conditions. I think he is a traitor. Should he have been in the military? According to both the military and his apparent standards, no, he should not have been.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:34 pm #
“According to both the military and his apparent standards, no, he should not have been.”
Uh yeah but blame the PC bs that makes EEOC complaints end careers. If he was white and ranted about how the war in Bosnia was against his fellow white man he woulda been gone before he joined. Ah whatever this will be papered over just watch TV and you can see the paper flowing from the printing press.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 9:34 pm #
In an earlier thread folks are discussing Hasan’s “It’s getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims”.
Unremarked by Hasan, however, is the extent to which our military is allied with Muslims far outnumbering the Muslims against which as allies they fight. He has chosen sides. And his side is the enemy.
Comment by B Moe on 11/10 @ 9:36 pm #
I wonder how many Conscientious Objector Waivers Iran and Iraq granted during their big dust up?
Comment by cynn on 11/10 @ 9:43 pm #
The “enemy,” sdferr, how do we keep them out of our military?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:48 pm #
I think the problem is sdferr and B moe is that people find a difference with a white guy saying the same things this jackass said.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:50 pm #
Hey Cynn who is blurring the lines between us and the enemy. By the way I do not need to use quotations on enemy, they are real.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 9:50 pm #
By paying close attention to them when they speak, I guess, cynn. When a fellow like Hasan comes forth to tell what he believes, take him seriously. Otherwise, engage people in general seriously and hear what they have to say on their own terms. They mostly want to be understood, even when being understood may not work to their perceived interests.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 9:52 pm #
Maybe we could check their business cards.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 9:53 pm #
I guess if the guys name was Smith he wouldn’t get quotations around “enemy” when referring to his people.
Comment by cynn on 11/10 @ 9:54 pm #
I think the erudite Mr. Pink is correct. This will be papered over.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:00 pm #
OK, that business card is too much! I mean, he was handing out these and folks didn’t get that something was wrong with the picture? Especially after he prostelytetized his comrades, and gave this whacked presentation-when his talk was supposed to be about a medical topic!?!
I just can’t stop shaking my head at all this…
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:03 pm #
It was enforced cowardice, PC ending career bullshit coupled with “let us understand our differences” crap. God this is like the Perfect Storm of liberalism.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:04 pm #
This same mentality excuses Obama sitting in a racist church for 20 years.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:12 pm #
I’ve spent most of the day beside myself with rage, Bob, a condition I very rarely find myself in. We missed…no, we ignored a forest of red flags on this guy and 13 of America’s finest are dead because of it. And I can’t help but ask why. And then, I can’t help but come to the obvious conclusion. And then, I can’t help but want to beat the shit out of George Casey, as he seems determined not to prevent another such occurrence.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:12 pm #
FWIW, Ralph Peters and Bill O’Reilly are talking about how this is a terrorist act, that will not be denounced as such because of the PC obsessed media that usually has hate spewing Imam’s backs and was also at t he root of Hasan not being discharged…
So thank PC Democrats. Your collective obsession, and cheap use for electoral benefit, of identity politics, multi-culturalism, and the relativism that’s needed to support much of it has sowed the wind; but the problem is we as a nation now reap the whirlwind!
And what we mostly hear is hand wringing over “over-reacting” and the over-arching need for “diversity”…
Diversity is fine, with respect to thise who are “on the same wavelength”-so to speak; but it is an unnecessary concern with respect to America haters-regardless of religion, lack thereof, or race…
Comment by geoffb on 11/10 @ 10:14 pm #
Over at Belmont Club this post links both to a post by AJ Strata and to a Newsweek article by Michael Isikoff. Though Isikoff is pursuing a gun purchase angle the first two paragraphs contain a gem.
As Wretchard points out “What changed between December 2008 and early 2009?”
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:15 pm #
“This same mentality excuses Obama sitting in a racist church for 20 years.”
It doesn’t merely excuse the circumstance Mr. Pink, this mentality can refuse to recognize the premises of Wright’s teaching altogether or dismiss it out of hand, wave it away unthought at all to pretend it isn’t there even. It gets nothing from those who chose to give it nothing as though nothing will in the end come from it. The same can go for Hasan’s adherence to Qutb’s ideas.
Comment by cynn on 11/10 @ 10:15 pm #
OK, checked it out. What you got left, Pablo, aside from the mares in your stable?
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:17 pm #
And if a baker’s dozen of our loyal, dedicated warriors die on the altar of diversity? Well, sometimes you’ve got to break a few eggs, right?
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:18 pm #
General Casey needs to be drummed out immediately Pablo. After all, in the military the buck stops with the highest ranking officer, and Casey’s at the top of that food chain-in uniform that is…
You’re right, we willfully ignored the warning signs, for the sake of effin’ PC ideology…
Friggin’ disgusting
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:19 pm #
Suppose, for just a minute, that what I have is a FN Five-seveN and a mandate from God. Now what?
You seemed all sober and junk on the other thread, cynn.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:22 pm #
“And if a baker’s dozen of our loyal, dedicated warriors die on the altar of diversity? Well, sometimes you’ve got to break a few eggs, right?”
VDH puts it much the same way, as though we as a nation have made the conscious decision to sacrifice the lives of some of our fellow citizens in order to prove that we won’t discriminate in the slightest to distinguish a jihadi muslim from a non-jihadi muslim.
Comment by cynn on 11/10 @ 10:22 pm #
Hasan should have been drummed out for other reasons. Namely, assholery.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:22 pm #
I don’t think it was altogether obvious that he was a violent jihad person until after he killed all those people.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:24 pm #
that powerpoint is boring boring boring and he sucks at powerpoint
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:25 pm #
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Exactly. You are sitting in a church every Sunday telling your congregation that the US government invented the AIDS virus to kill them. What would be the rational actions of a man with children who has balls? Why kill the government! God what a shocka. F these people they will invent lies like PTSD and such to not acknowledge that fact.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:27 pm #
“I don’t think it was altogether obvious that he was a violent jihad person until after he killed all those people.”
I just saw a tv thing that said that if you do the mass to energy conversion of the average sized guy you get an energy product like 1000x the size of the Little Boy bomb. Also not obvious.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:29 pm #
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He was not drummed out because of enforced cowardice. Besides, assholery is quite different than believing in radical interpretations of the Koran, or radical interpretations of leftist doctrine ala Bill Ayers. Shit what was the difference between this guy and Bill Ayers? This guy was competent and had balls. IMHO
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:29 pm #
Yeah geoffb,
His 20+ contacts with AQ were for academic research purposes, don’t you know…
ALl this crapola is to keep Americans from reaching the obvious conclusions, while the effin’ media goes about the business of making up the counterintuitive ones…
Obama didn’t tell folks to not be outraged at pro-lifers after Tillers murder, did he? He didn’t tell anyone not to rush to conclusions in that case, or L’affair Gates did he?
They’r going back to the PC pantheon of victimhood to look for access to that special set of laws; you know, the ones that don’t apply to the rest of us…
Academic research…Pre-traumatic stress disorder, from second hand sources; HE FRIGGIN’ COUNSELED SOLDIERS GOING TO THE WAR ZONE!…He was insulted and ridiculed?!!?!?….
I mean, what’s the next excuse? ‘Cuz Obama won? and told us to STFU about it already?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:30 pm #
no way I’m sleeping tonight, sdferr
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:32 pm #
“…what’s the next excuse?”
His car got keyed by an Iraq war vet who’d just returned home.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:33 pm #
The Joooooooooos made him do it.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:33 pm #
I think you’re missing a bunch of readily available information, ‘feets. Half of what I’ve learned about this guy in the last 36 hours or so should have been enough to drum him out of the Army.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:34 pm #
If only Bill Ayers had told this guy he would have had more success going to Grad School and indoctrinating kids to think the same thing he did. Coulda saved a couple lives.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:35 pm #
You’re probably right sdferr, somewhere the Joooooos are going to come into this picture…
He had to serve with Muslim hating Joooooooos! The Horror!…
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:37 pm #
West Bank occupation and the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the number one problem in the world, says our current foreign policy team. (Idiots, one and all, say I.)
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:38 pm #
“If only Bill Ayers had told this guy he would have had more success going to Grad School and indoctrinating kids to think the same thing he did. Coulda saved a couple lives.”
Sad but true Mr. Pink…
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:39 pm #
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And you thought you were joking?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_new_iran_man_at_the_state.html
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:40 pm #
Hell no I didn’t think I was joking. I listen to what they say and that is what they say.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:47 pm #
I’ve followed along and there’s no imminent threat flag that I see. I can imagine people thinking it’s best to keep him where people can keep an eye on him even. I think if you had drummed him out of the Army he might could have gone all Allah at a shopping center or a school.
My point is more I think that the only person responsible for killing those people is Nidal. I don’t think we need to find people and nail their ass to the wall. There’s plenty of people whose lives are ruined already. Connecting the dots is not the same as prevention. Not in America. Not yet. That guy I quoted from the other thread has some good ideas about safeguarding the military but when there’s infidels what need killing, there’s not a lot stopping your average muslim fundamentalist person. They’re very willful.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 10:47 pm #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCOoatudP4
Colonel Ralph Peters talks about this.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 10:52 pm #
“…not a lot stopping your average…”
All too true, hf. Can’t be stopped from killing in most instances (though they did pick up that guy at the Canada border in Washington with the bomb in the trunk, lucky that. Hasan could have been stopped from killing in the place he chose though. Shopping malls, not so much.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:52 pm #
Which is why when you come across a muslim fundamentalist person in the Army, you ought to throw them the fuck out.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:52 pm #
that’s interesting Bob … here’s what I though about that speech… I thought it was very odd
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:52 pm #
what I *thought* I mean
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 10:57 pm #
I think we’re working towards that, P. I hope so anyway.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 10:58 pm #
Oh, and his chitter chatter with the hatey 911 imam and his PowerPoint are reason enough to think that this is a dude who might not be committed to being on the team.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 10:58 pm #
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Agreed, this is shameful for me being in the Army. Somehow I doubt this would have gone unreported because of PC worries in the still somewhat UnPC Marines. Happy Bday to them by the way.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:02 pm #
The one major problem I had, rhetorically speaking, with Obama’s speech today was when he said and repeated “they gave their lives”. It just didn’t sit right with me. I felt much more that their lives were taken involuntarily away from them.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 11:10 pm #
Gen. Casey seems to think that Army diversity is our overriding priority.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:12 pm #
I kinda think that people probably figured that if he were a for real dangerous jihadi he wouldn’t be so flamboyantly fundie muslim about it. I’m sure in the future they’ll not leave so many red flags lying about.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 11:14 pm #
I didn’t see it firsthand happyfeet, but I agree with you and sdferr that the worst part was the “gave their lives” part, when in fact they were taken from them at a place where they thought themselves safe.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:14 pm #
I think it’s all very stark. We’re pretty helpless against this sort of thing. Someone needs to think of something very clever to do about it.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:16 pm #
oh… Bobo – my feel was more that he pitched his speech to the ears of our overseas muslim friends … making sure that they understood that no one is accusing Nidal of killing innocent civilians…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:16 pm #
ohonoes. I didn’t mean for that extra o to be there at all.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 11:16 pm #
“Gen. Casey seems to think that Army diversity is our overriding priority.”
That’s why Casey’s got to go! Relieved of command…The buck stops with him.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 11:17 pm #
I recommend that we pay attention.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:17 pm #
I don’t know much about this Casey person. Did we not like him before this?
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:19 pm #
By the way, that “gave their lives” part you won’t find in the written transcript at all. Either it was written in late or was an ad lib. I heard it though (twice, I’m pretty sure) and thought about it at the time, how I didn’t like it.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:20 pm #
I wanted Casey gone by Sunday night myself. He wasn’t of much help when he had command in Iraq for strike one, hf.
Comment by LTC John on 11/10 @ 11:20 pm #
GEN Casey has been disappointing in the past, but this is a new low. I’m going to go hoist one to my Uncle Jack (DSC and DFC) my old mentor SFC Chuck Reed (a whole bucket of Bronze Stars) and a thought for Mel. G’night all.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:20 pm #
Well, jeez P. A lot of people are slighting the fact that there will definitely be an equal and opposite reaction. People will be very very wary just cause they don’t want to get dead. But how we discriminate against just the icky fundie ones is a very difficult problem, especially if they try and be all sly about it.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:21 pm #
Goodnight LTC.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 11:22 pm #
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I didn’t even know him before this, but when people get shot under his command and his first thoughts are to give a speech about “diversity” I think he lost the “before” part of that sentence. I will not like him now or before. As of right now I do not like him tomorrow either.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 11:23 pm #
Colonel, I’m kinda glad Mel didn’t have to see this. I think he’d be profoundly disappointed at an Army led by a bunch of pussies.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:24 pm #
“…especially if they try and be all sly about it.”
Yes, a tricky sort of problem but one that can be overcome by being slier still than they.
Comment by Pablo on 11/10 @ 11:26 pm #
But Hasan wasn’t sly, ‘feets, he was very upfront about it. PowerPoint and all. Also, he hired a lawyer to get him out and whatnot.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:26 pm #
There’s a huge truth to how valuable muslim soldiers can be and have been. No?
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 11:27 pm #
So happyfeet, you think it was more middle east suck up? Interesting…
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:28 pm #
oh. nononono, P. I mean after this them ones will be much more sly about it. They won’t make a powerpoint and such.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 11:29 pm #
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Sorry HF but i have to disagree with you whole heartedly there. You should switch that sentence up to be soldiers that are of muslim origin, or soldiers that speak Arabic and revise your sentence. Soldier first.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:29 pm #
“…to how valuable muslim soldiers can be and have been…”
Very much altogether yes. There’s no reason to rile the soldiers on our side at all.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:29 pm #
it was a very odd speech to my ear is all… great care went into that speech to make it palatable to easily offended ears
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:32 pm #
We can do that. Soldiers what dabble in muslimry. But they’ve been a big help, no? I could be wrong and just got snowed by some p.r.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:32 pm #
It was an important speech to have to give, regardless of the content it actually had. That is, it could have been utterly debilitating had it had too much of the wrong stuff in it.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:33 pm #
got it
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/10 @ 11:36 pm #
OK gang, catch y’all on the flip side.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 11/10 @ 11:37 pm #
Dabble in whatever religion you want as long as you are the soldier first. Does anyone doubt this guy thought of himself as a “muslim” or “islamic” or whatever douchetool shit first. I was just disagreeing with your order of words. People of every origin have been a help to us because they can help us communicate with the native people. How that is a combat multiplier as the LTC.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:38 pm #
I’ve not had a heck of a lot of personal experience with Muslim peoples (though I’ve had some), especially not with Muslim soldiers, but I think in terms of the various religious people I have had experience with and how they let you know the depth or lack of same they put on their identity as religious as such. Mostly they’ll let you know where you can take a conversation about their faith and where not, and from these indicators it’s not hard to get a fairly clear sense of the principles they hold and those they let a little loose. I’m guessing that this probably applies to most people with most religions, though a specially trained spy type of guy/gal who’s intent on fooling you can do it, given enough care taken on their end.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:40 pm #
I thought it a very cowardly speech.
What the fuck does equality have to do with what happened in Fort Hood? Fuck all.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/10 @ 11:41 pm #
He didn’t give that speech to America and that creeps me out.
Comment by sdferr on 11/10 @ 11:42 pm #
One gets the sense that speaking to America creeps him out, actually. It’s just not his thing.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/11 @ 2:26 am #
Dear General Casey,
Have you ever seen your logo?
From this, I can only conclude that, like Obama, you’re an idiot.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/11 @ 2:56 am #
All men my be CREATED equal, but LIBERTY gives those who desire it, a chance to be better than equal.
Obama’s an idiot. I’m not sure I’ve mentioned that in a while.
Comment by alppuccino on 11/11 @ 3:28 am #
may
Comment by rich valleau on 11/11 @ 4:22 am #
wonder what kind of “justice”hasan will get from a terrorist friendly eric holder and co.get the teleprompter ready.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 5:55 am #
You can’t really expect them to recognize honesty, hf, they have no experience at it.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 6:22 am #
Crawford nails it:
Comment by Kzin on 11/11 @ 6:36 am #
Mass immigration has brought jihad, beheadings, honor killings of daughters to our shores. Why have we felt so compelled to invite the world, even those cultures ill-suited, to immigrate here?
Mosques are the political centers of power to the Islamic tribes. The more mosques we allow to be built in our homeland, the more jihad we will have. Once again, it all comes down to immigration. We didn’t have this in 1960, or 1970 or 1980 or 1990. Why? Because they were not here in the high numbers they are today.
Our political elite in Washington are prepared to accept the killing of a certain number of native born Americans, for the purpose of looking more “diverse” and welcoming to foreigners and foreign cultures, religions, ideologies, etc. Namely, Moooslims.
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 7:34 am #
OT, but it looks like the WSJ found at least one relatively honest proggy.
And a chilling take on liberal elites.
h/t Maggies Farm
Comment by Mark Turner on 11/11 @ 7:48 am #
This guy had more red flags around him than a Chinese military parade — yet, we have a president acting now as his honor guard, telling us not to jump to conclusions and a media inclined to blame the military before they blame the perpetrator. Speaking of Chinese military, what do you think they do to people they find among their ranks spouting jihadist and other anti-government sentiments? Let’s just say they aren’t so worried about political correctness, diversity and hurt feelings of the people they weed out (Russian military, similarly)
Comment by Pablo on 11/11 @ 7:59 am #
Camille Paglia is breathing fire this morning.
Comment by geoffb on 11/11 @ 10:05 am #
Yes but in this one sentence.
She reveals a liberal depth of ignorance that is telling. The Medical Saving Accounts have always been tied to Catastrophic Health Insurance. Together they make a package that would cost no more than what we have now and perhaps less. Their main attraction is to put the pressure of the market on medical costs. Something that we don’t do now and has, along with Medicare/Medicaid, to the huge increases in medical costs.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/11 @ 12:15 pm #
When something doesn’t seem to make sense on principle, look for the money. The army had spent a huge chunk of change on this guy, sending him to med school and whatnot. I imagine many thought he was just trying to get out of his obligation of service to pay them pack for what they spent, especially with him being born and raised in the U.S. which made it much less likely he was as radical as he apparently turned out to be.
They were wrong, and hopefully won’t make this mistake again.
Comment by sdferr on 11/11 @ 2:36 pm #
On the question of jihadist beliefs comes this CNN piece of work, a collaboration with the Libyan gvmnt and the Libyan jihadist group LIFG:
Scrub a dub dub, cleaning and polishing the jihadi image. Could such a report fall at a more timely hour? h/t NRO
Comment by B Moe on 11/11 @ 2:45 pm #
Yeah, seeing AQ get their fucking ass handed to them didn’t have a thing to do with the “repudiation”.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 11/11 @ 3:02 pm #
next time your on You Tube, watch Gen Casey’s talk on ABC this Sunday, then cue up George C Scott from Patton.
Then weep for the country.
Comment by Kresh on 11/11 @ 4:46 pm #
Weeping is wasting time. Gotta keep the powder dry.
Comment by McGehee on 11/11 @ 5:03 pm #
No time for tears. Wasted water’s all that is.
Comment by pst314 on 11/11 @ 5:50 pm #
Did you notice that in the powerpoint slides he defined “islamist” as one who advocates rule by sharia law, not secular law? That means that most muslims are islamists. Oops, not supposed to admit that.